Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Coach Prime getting surgery + Bubba Wallace joins the show

Episode Date: July 29, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Coach Prime announcing that he had to get surgery to remove cancer, Christian Wilkins and the awkward kiss incident with a Raiders teammate, and Bubba Wallace joins the show to discuss his recent historic win & much more!   06:00 - Coach Prime14:05 - Christian Wilkins27:50 - Mahomes left of 99 Madden Rating30:45 - Bubba Wallace1:03:40 - Jerry Jones still Jaw Jacking   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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we always look, we got a lot of fans, there's NASCAR fans in the chat. And so we can't wait to have bubba on you know we always look we got a lot of fans There's NASCAR fans in the chat And so we can't wait to have bubba on and talk to him and get to the emotions of what was going what was going Through his mind yesterday, but first Ocho Prayers up for coach prime coach prime announced today. He was a survivor of bladder cancer He had a tumor removed off of his bladder He the and now that he's cured, if there's any takeaway from today's press conference as a prostate cancer survivor myself, Ocho, it would be, let's take a listen to what Coach Prime had to say. Yes, sir. Man, everybody, get checked out.

Because if it wasn't for me getting tested for something else, they wouldn't have stumbled up on this. And make sure you go to the, get the right care. Because without wonderful people like this, I probably wouldn't be sitting here today because it grew so expeditiously, I could say. But please, get yourself checked out. Especially African American men,

we don't like going to the doctors, we don't like nothing to do with a doctor, you know that. So I'm not just talking to the brothers, I'm talking to my Caucasian brothers, my Hispanic brothers, my Asian brothers, everybody and my sisters. And that's all, y'all. Get checked out.

Because it could have been a whole another gathering if I had. Yeah, we knew Coach Prime was dealing with something. He didn't come show up to his camps that he was supposed to put on. He didn't show up to the spring thing. So there was a lot of things going on that led people to believe that there was something seriously going on with Prime.

We didn't know what it was. We just knew at a later date and time the way that he's always been, he's going to be very forthcoming. He's going to tell you exactly what was going on, how long it's been going on, and what the treatment or whatever he needed to do to get taken care of. You know, when he had the, you know, Ocho, remember he had the amputation, he had his half, some of his toes removed and he had a, you know, and he was in dire straits in that situation. And he came, you know, once he started feeling better, he came and he told exactly what was happening. And so I always felt that I didn't know what was going on, but I knew it was serious.

Because a lot of time I would send him a text and I'd just get like one or two words back. Same thing kind of like what happened at Jackson State. So I knew it was serious and I just left it alone. I said, now when he's in a good, in a better place and a good frame of mind, he'll be back to time joking and laughing. And when, but when he's not joking and laughing

I know it's something serious because he that type of guy. He's a very fun. Lo fun loving very outgoing guy I'm just glad they caught this in time They were able to catch what it was Remove it and get him all treated up and I'm glad coach primer You know everybody here at night campus in and I thought some prayers to you And I'm glad coach primer, you know, everybody here at nightcap is sending our thoughts and prayers to you and glad you're feeling better, bro. But yeah, guys, go get it. Go get it done. Go get, go get, go get tested. Cause I'm a prostate cancer survivor and prostate cancer is one of the more curable if detected early.

That's why early screening and detection is very, you know, obviously if it runs in your family, but you know, go get tested. Uh, and you know, I was in, I'm in a high percentile. My father had, my father died, uh, died of cancer, you know, his brothers, he had two other brothers that died of cancer. So I'm already in that high percentile. Yes. So I didn't wait till the age that it would start getting tested at age 40. Nah, bro. I started getting tested like at 33, 34. And they were able to detect it, end up getting a colonoscopy and finding out that I had it and I got it treated, uh, diagnosed in 2016, got treated in 2017.

And I've been cancer free ever since. Oh Joe, but when you got the news that coach prime had really gone through something really, really serious, uh, what, what was the first thoughts that go through your mind? Well, obviously, I said prayers right away. I said prayers right away for him. Understanding I knew it was something serious for the simple fact that there was some things that he missed that he couldn't attend.

I know if he couldn't attend certain events that they had planned for for Colorado, I knew something was wrong. So finding the news out today, I'm glad he did get it checked out in time. And listen, Prime been through his trials and tribulations as he always says, that every time God is using him as that messenger, you know, to be able to give fellas,

as he said, all ethnicities an opportunity to give that message out, go get checked. Go get checked, take care of yourself, take care of your body and make sure you're okay. Yeah, yeah, you're right, Ocho. I'm gonna share my story, but I'm gonna let Prime have his right now. This is about Prime today, this week,

but a later date and time down the road, I'll share some things that I've gone through that very few people know. With that being said, but like I said, and to see him out there fishing, and then he got his bag with him, and he says, man, I didn't sleep, and once you get to that age, he and I, he says man I didn't sleep and you know once you get

to that age he and I you know timing out basically the same age is that man it's hard to get a great night's sleep because you go to the bathroom so much. I try to cut myself off drinking water at a certain period of time but sometimes you know when I'm doing nightcap my throat get parched and I you know I end up drinking more than I should and I know I'm gonna be up four or five times a night, it's gonna interrupt my sleep. But guys go get checked out. And he's absolutely right.

Just speaking, growing up, first of all, we didn't have healthcare. So unless there was an absolute medical emergency, you fall dead on the floor or something like that, you wasn't going to no doctor. Yes, sir. They were gonna give you a home remedy, your stomach hurt, whatever it is,

drink some ginger ale, baking soda or something. You're not going to the doctor. You got a gas, hey, go get some cobweb. You're gonna put some paper towel and we're gonna do it like that. But you're not going to the doctor. And so we kind of built up a fear of the doctor. But now I think knowing what we know now,

you know, everybody's trying to say, well, you know, Shanna, service and repairs are the same thing. No, they're not. Service and repair is not the same thing. One is proactive, the other is reactive. service and repair is not the same thing. One is proactive, the other is reactive. Now I'll let you geniuses that said,

I thought they were the same thing and had the crying emojis. I will let you geniuses figure out which one is proactive and which one is reactive. So in other words, when you go get checked out, and that's what time is basically saying, you're being proactive as opposed to being reactive, which means now is there,

you don't know, they didn't catch it in the early stages. So hopefully, it looks seems like they caught this in an early enough stage that he was able to get, he was able to get it removed and whatever the treatment, whether it was radiation, chemo, or whatever the case may be, seemingly he said he's cancer free. That's what the doctor said, if I'm not mistaken, that was sitting next to him and they got

everything taken care of. And that's what you need to do, Ocho. Don't wait until it's too late and then it's stage three, stage four. There's really nothing else. Now all they can do is just make you comfortable. Don't be afraid to go to the doctor. Get everything taken care of. And so you can have a very productive life. And then just because you go to that doesn't mean things

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but the teammate didn't see it that way. Schefter adds the incident was not the sole reason Wilkins was cut. Is the real... Oh, hold on. This is Shepter talking. Allegedly, this was an incident that took place. Right.

When did men start playing like this, Ocho? Forget, I understand it's 2025, it's a different time. And I don't care what your letter is in the alphabet. Be you. I'm cool with it. You be the L, you be the B, you be the T, you be the Q, plural, whatever the case may be. Have at it. When did men in a football, in a setting like this, when did they start playing like this, Ocho? Was it after I left the game? Was it like last week, a couple of weeks ago? You stayed a little bit, I retired in 04,

you retired in 2012 from the NFL, so you stayed a little longer than I did. So when did this start happening, Ocho? Hey, I don't know, I don't know. I think that's a- Who plays like that, Ocho? The people I hang around based on where I'm from, I don't see that type of activity, I don't see that type of activity.

I don't see that type of, listen, we have, excuse me, we have playful banner, but the playful banner, and we conduct it, it ain't like that. It ain't in that manner. So it's news to me, it's new to me. I don't know Christian Wilkinson, Wilkinson, I don't know him personally.

You know, I knowkinson, you know, person Wilkinson. I don't know him personally. You know, I know of him, you know, as a fun, energetic type of player. He's done some funny things, you know. Yeah, they got that picture when I think there's a national championship game or one game and the guys on the ground. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just. Yeah. I'm like, bro, guys don't play. Look, maybe maybe they do bro, guys don't play. Look, maybe they do now. I shouldn't say, I'm just from an era

where guys didn't play like that. And yeah, look, yeah, we horseplay. We might nail somebody, locker shut. We might put powder or water in your shoulder pads. And when you grab them, they come down on top of you. Do guys horse play around like that? Yes. Do we soak the rookies clothes, put them in the cold tub

and then put them in the freezer? Yes. We've seen guys, you know, basketball players put popcorn in the guy's car. We've seen stuff like that. Ocho. Not like, and I've seen some stuff in the locker room. Now I've seen some guys play that even I was like,

y'all nasty that grow IA. But. Not to that magnitude though. Not no kissing on, not even kissing on the forehead, not even no joking manner. Yeah, I don't know. It's hard to say I'm not in the locker room. I wasn't actually there.

And obviously Shepter did his best job in describing what happened. And obviously no one- Good thing about the Ocho. Ocho, remember we talked about it. Of all the things they could have said, why did they say this? Now they could have said anything.

He stole somebody's car. He stole $1,500 from somebody. He forged a check. Of all the things they could have tagged the young man with, allegedly, they put this? Yeah. He forged a check of all the things they could have tagged the young man with allegedly. They put this. Yeah. I mean, listen, it alleged that's actually what happened.

You know, it had to come from somewhere. So that means that's exactly what happened with their smoke. This fire, right? Where they're smoke this fire. So it is what it is. Whoever the player was, they took a fence to it. Maybe they got a little scuffle. Maybe it caused an issue.

And maybe that was just the icing on the cake for them to release him based on the other issues and other incidents about him missing games last year and then not doing what's required to make sure he gets on the field in the time of manner this year. Maybe they'll clear it up. If I'm not mistaken, Ocho,

they said this incident happened earlier. So I don't know if it happened, say in the off season, it happened at some point in time during the season. Obviously there was a diff, a fracturing, a fracturing where they like, bro, you need the surgery. He says no, it seems like he said no, maybe they wanted a second opinion, he didn't want to get a second opinion, because here's the thing, you could, you could like, okay, you got a torn ACL and doctors say, well, you need to get this, so you're like, no, I'm gonna let it heal on its own. Please.

You can do that. I wouldn't advise it, but you can do it. They tell you to go get a second opinion, Ocho. You can do that. And both doctors say the same thing. You say, nah, I'm good. I wouldn't advise it, but you can do that. I don't, I don't get why he wouldn't considering he had guaranteed money. He had $35 million coming to him that was guaranteed. So he was at, I could see Ocho if I didn't have guaranteed money coming in, if there was a situation like,

nah bro, I need to get on the field. But he got guaranteed money. And so they say, nah, it's not healing like it's supposed to. You need to have another surgery. Right. I just don't, I don't get that. That's what's being reported. Now we don't know what's true or not,

but look, the truth is somewhere in between this box. Yeah. Yeah. Between the kiss on the forehead, the second opinion, they wanted to have surgery again, something. The truth is somewhere in here, Ojo. We just don't know where it's at, but we think the truth is somewhere in this box.

Well, listen, what you can do is you can hear the situations, right? And it's like having a puzzle piece. All right. We got we got good pieces to the puzzle and you can just fill out the rest of the puzzle based on the actions that have happened and what you're hearing. So you miss games last year. OK. Yeah. You mean you only play five games, though.

I think you got hurt after the fifth game. OK, well, listen, are we going into a new season? You still not healthy. You might have even got a second opinion. Maybe your second opinion said, you know what? You need to just relax and let it heal on its own. Maybe the team said, well, you need to get surgery. So again, now we're going to another season.

You missed so many games last year. Now the season rolling around again, you still not healthy. You're not on the field. They see you on camera dancing around, having fun and doing stuff that's not for one, helping the team, two, that's not helping yourself, and three, what we're paying you millions of dollars to do, you're not earning that.

You're not earning that. You're not gonna do that on our time or our clock. Right. And so they made a business decision. Yes. I agree. I'm looking at it like, like I said, if he's in the last year of his contract,

he doesn't have this guaranteed money. And he thinks like, Hey, I get it. I totally get it. But he got 30, he got, he got what he had already got like 49 million. He got another seven coming this year. And then guess what, Ocho? He got another 25 coming, another 25, 27 coming the following year.

So he's protected. That's why guys want these guaranteed contracts, Ocho, so I can be protected, not just for one year, but for multiple years. So I get it. But if the report is what Chef is saying is true, I just don't know when this started taking place, guys. If the report is what Chef is saying is true, I just don't know when this started taking place guys. Like I said, like I said, Ocho, we ain't look,

I done put more, I done gone through so many tubes of toothpaste, putting toothpaste on a guy's door in training camp, cause I know all he gonna do is just walk out the door and pull it, shut. He ain't gonna look back at it, he just gonna grab it and got him. Adam poured so much alcohol and lit it on fire and up under the door.

Yeah, we play pranks like that. But we know the, look, you ain't, don't touch a man's, you know, boy, I saw somebody almost got the brakes beat off him. He took his hair, he took his brush, took the dude's brush and combed his pubic, brushed his pubic hair with it. With his brush? And put it back.

Hey, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, I had to get you- Okay, so you see, people don't play, now. Yeah. Man, it ain't nothing, it ain't nothing but a brush. It ain't nothing, hey, it ain't that serious. Yeah. People don't play.

The way you play, everybody don't play like that. Yeah. And you, and you need to understand that. Cause you dealing with, look I said, I just don't, I don't get it. I just, like I said, I grew up at a time where men didn't play, men rarely, didn't play at all. I remember my grandfather them telling no jokes.

Like I said, and we told a story, my brother, I just sat down with him about somebody made a joke about my grandfather's teeth. And my grandfather was driving off. He had his teeth, he had his father's teeth, they were sitting on the dash. And got a, Mr. Barney, don't let your teeth run away. And my grandfather put that car in reverse,

stopped that car and got out. Said, don't play, he said, I'm old enough to be your dad. He said, don't play with me. put that car in reverse, stopped that car and got out. Said, don't play. He said, I'm old enough to be your dad. He said, don't play with me. He said, I'm a grown ass man. He said, find somebody to play with. And I'm like him. Man, probably about five to a year

before he spoke to my grandpa. Cause you know, back, all people should go get the gas that you get that full service, Ocho. You know what I'm saying? They ain't get a pump, they all get, then hey, cause you did the windows. And you know what I'm saying, Ocho, you did the window, got the windows all nights and you know,

you still do that. They still do that in Jersey, huh? Oh, they do that? Yeah, they do that in Jersey. Okay, man. And so I'm surprised, I'm really surprised that in today's society, that allegedly what Christian Wilkins did, I mean, because he's, like I said, there are some things that like,

and photos that surface, and I don't know, it might be AI, it's hard to say, hell, I don't got the way, I don't really believe nothing on the internet anymore, because I don't even know if it's real Ocho, if it's AI. Because AI haven't, you know, got an alligator riding a horse. So, Ocho, I don't even know what to believe anymore, Ocho, but I'm just saying, guys, stop playing so much.

All these people in pranks and all this stuff, and you see people walking up and they trying to prank somebody and they do it all this stuff. Y'all start that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, come on now. You gonna get yourself hurt. And the first thing somebody family gonna say,

they didn't have to do him like that, or they didn't have to do her like that. No, you didn't have to do him like that or they didn't have to do or do her like that No, you didn't have to play like that. Yeah people everybody don't play the same Somebody gonna let y'all have it. So just stop just stop like you said, oh, that's a total stranger You don't know them from Adam And I know some I know I got great friends, but we know how To play and we know what to say when we play, you know, certain things. There are certain things that's off limits and you understand that.

I told a stranger you did it with. Go ahead, Ocho. You always know what line not to cross. You know you're friends. You always know what can get that, what buttons to push, you know a button not to push. You know what line not to cross. And there's great understanding with that

when it's someone that you've been friends with for a very long time. Now when it's somebody new, like you're on a new team, a teammate that you don't know that well outside of that building, there's certain things you can't do. You can't conduct yourself, you know, the way you conduct yourself with somebody

you know in 20, 25 years. That's why you go in a new environment. You sit back and you observe. Yeah. Okay, I can joke with him. Mm-hmm. Can't joke with him. Or I can say something like this to him.

Yeah. Can't say that to him. You gotta read the room. That's why you observe. Give yourself a month or two, three months, excuse me, to observe and see who you can and can't play with. Yeah, who you can talk to, who you can make jokes with, who you can do certain things to.

You just need to be observant because being in a locker room, because you got a lot of different backgrounds on show. People come from a lot of different areas. I mean, the social economic background, the different religions, the different ideology, how somebody was raised. Hey, you don't know what the trigger is.

You just don't wanna be the one to pull it. Right. So, I'm sorry, the young man, but hopefully they get this resolved because he's extremely talented. He can play. Oh yeah. He's going to the Pro Bowl. He he's extremely talented. He can play. Oh yeah. He's gone to the pro bowl.

He can go, he can play. Yeah. He could rush to pass. He's tremendous against the run. Um, it seems to me that he really enjoys the game. Sometimes I think he enjoys it too much, but this, I just, like I said, we don't know, Shepter is reporting that this incident did happen, but he's saying that's not the sole reason

of why they chose to go in this direction. We don't know. Like I said, that's what Shepter's being reported. We're reporting, basically, we're commenting on what Shepter's reporting. What we do know is that he's been released, and they're basically saying we ain't paying you.

He filed a grievance with the NFLPA trying to get the guaranteed money that he believes he's owed. We'll see how it plays out. Mm-hm. It's the biggest party of the summer. WWE SummerSlam is here and Wrestling with Freddie is all over it. We're talking wild matches, big surprises and our boldest predictions yet. From celebrity showdowns to the chaos inside a steel cage,

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were revealed today and they are Saquon Barkley, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, Miles Garrett, and Lane Johnson. What was Mahomes boys? What was he, Ocho? A 98. Oh, okay.

Oh, he's a 98. Like there are many quarterbacks. I know they made it to the Superbowl, right? We all football this year. Yeah, based on last year, he should have been 99. That's the whole point. That's everything. The rating is based on your performance

and what you did last year. Yes, they went to the Superbowl. Yeah, but he don't. He was 99. But from a standpoint and standards and the metric system in which we judge Patrick Mahomes, who even though he's a 98,

is still one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. He's not a 99 based on last year's production. I'm not sure why people, people, cheese fans, they fussing at me, they arguing with me. It's not a bad thing. But what? Because he lives in party. No, it's not a lifetime of cheese.

You don't get a 99 to get to keep it forever. So I get to play like crap. I throw 40 interceptions. I'm still a 99 because I've had great years in the past. No, if you look at the guys, look at the season Sequon had. Over 2,000 yards, offensive player of the year. Look at Lamar. Josh Allen was the MVP.

Jeddah was what he had. I think the second most receiving yards behind Chase. Miles Garrett had an outstanding season and Lane Johnson, we know what Lane Johnson represents. So these guys that are 99, they earned that. Petra Mahomes, he didn't earn a 99. He's a 98, which is good. If you'd have gave him a 97, I don't think he could have been mad considering how he played. Right. And I think people, we watched the Chiefs last year. We watched them struggle, especially offensively, even though they were winning games because

Patrick Mahomes is just that great when it comes to managing game and not turning the ball over. Patrick Mahomes, last year, he only threw for 3,928 yards. First season under 4,000. Yeah, under 4,000. In front of him, in front of him statistically who threw for more yards Lamar Jackson, Sam Darnold, Geno Smith, Baker Mayfield, Jerry Goff, and Joe Burrow. I mean, like, what are we talking about?

It's not a bad thing. Mahomes is still last year. It showed us that he's human. What Patrick Mahomes has done so far in such a very short amount of time in his career, he is, it's these are like Superman in a sense, like Superman in a sense to the point we're comparing to Brady and he's still active with a long way to go. Yes. But it's not.

Oh, oh Joe, without further ado, let's welcome in. He drives the number 23 car for 2311 Racing. He has three career wins on the NASCAR circuit. He became the second black driver to win in the Cup Series with a victory in 2021 at Talladega Supermoto Speedway He the first in his career for the 2311 racing and yesterday He captured his first ever crown jewel victory in the historic win at the brickyard 400 you begin man, bubba When we had a conversation a few, this probably about four years ago,

and you said, I think you had just started with the MJ Denny Hamlin team. I think you had just started, and you were talking about your expectations. You know, hey, I wanna win Daytona. It's like, Shannon, it's the Super Bowl. If you get a chance to win one game, what game you want to win?

Super Bowl for me. Well, that's how it is for NASCAR. You want to win Daytona. It wasn't Daytona, but it was one of the crown jewels. So you got Daytona, you got the Coca-Cola 600, you got the Brickyard, and you got Darlington. That's one of the crown jewels. As it's winding down and you realize I'm about to win

this. I'm about to win this. What's going through your mind, Bubba? Ah, well first, thanks for having me boys. I appreciate you. Uh, it's an honor to be on here, man. The last, last 20 laps when we got the lead, um, honestly, I didn't know how many laps were left. I thought it was way more than 20 laps to go. Uh. So when my spotter told me 20 to go, I'm like, Oh shit. All right, we got to, we got to get serious here. We got a chance. Rain came through, had a little bit of a delay, had a red flag, but I told myself like, I didn't want to win it this way. I won Talladega like this in 2021. We know how much controversy that started. I wanted to win it fair and square and straight up and get the 23 back to victory lane.

And so I just stayed in the ready mindset. We went back with a green, white checkered attempt, two of them to be exact. And we're able to conquer both of them. So it's still kind of unbelievable to me. You know, I manifested a lot of good things waking up Sunday morning, but I put in my tweet that I still don't believe it, but I put in my tweet that I still don't believe it. Although I was believing the whole time leading up to it.

So it's just weird, man. It's crazy. It's crazy. You know, go ahead. Oh, that was going to be my next question. Most of the time when you win something big like this in and make history, you know, being one, one of the second, if I'm not mistaken to win in this big of this magnitude Has it even hit you yet? Has it hit you yet exactly what you've accomplished?

It has you know, it had been going on three years since I had been to victory lane and You know, I've said it multiple times You know my buddy blow any who drives the 12 car. He wanted that Charlotte and Um, you know, my buddy, Blaney who drives the 12 car, he, he wanted that, that Charlotte. Um, and, uh, he had said, he had gone on a little hiatus and he had said, you don't know if you could do it anymore after you go for so long without winning. And so a lot of self doubt kind of was sitting in there and, and it was a lot of perseverance and overcoming that.

And, um, we're here, we've done it. So now to get back through the flow of everything. Yes, I'm busy now. I'm doing all the media stops. But this is how it was three years ago and it's a great feeling. Like you're on top of the world. You know, everybody's looking at you different now and, and, and the people that continue to believe in you, they're kind of giving you like, see, I told you so. And that's a great feeling to have. Yeah. When you get to the, when you got to the track, did you believe you had the type of car that

could win it for you? Well I think when you get to the top level, before you even step foot on the field or the track, you have to believe you have to have that percentage, whatever that is, right? You have to know that you have a fighting chance. And with this team, that's what we created going on five years now with 2311. We wanted to show up with the right people, the right cars, just the right equipment and partners to make this all work. You got to have everything to make this work in a sport. And so yes, going into indie, we finished fifth there last year knew we had some potential

went through practice. We were like 32nd in practice, but practice was super weird. So we threw that out the window. Uh, and then we qualified second. We missed the poll by 1300 of a second. So we knew we had a good car. We knew we had a really good car. Okay. Um, but Saturday is Saturday. Sunday is, is, is race day. It's game day. Like it's a total different vibe. Um, and there's so many different scenarios, but like I said, I woke up and it was, no one is taking this for me today. Hours before the race. Like I want that. I seen the trophy sitting in the driver's meeting and says, I want that the track president,

a good friend of mine, Doug bowl said, uh, in 2005, Tony Stewart, one, you guys know these names in 2015, Kyle was one. he said legends win on the year of number five legends in the making current legends, whatever you want to be. So it is up to you guys who decides to win. And I said, I'm going to be that guy today hours before the race. And it all worked out. And, uh, man, I said, again, in my tweet, I'm not the superstitious guy. I usually don't manifest. I just kind of go with the flow, but Sunday was different and I was confident in every move that I made and every outcome that was was there every scenarios that was there and it was just the perfect recipe

for for an awesome day had the family there had my nine month old my wife there was was awesome. And that's what I was about to get into. Yeah in late September. You and your wife lovely wife Amanda Amanda, well, you're your first child. That's right. What was that like? Bubba? I got my wife here who's been by my side for the longest and now I got to look. Oh my goodness. What was that moment like when they came to victory lane and you laid eyes on your wife and your child? You you're you're related, right? I'm on top of the car.

I'm, I'm wore out. I'm sweating. I'm soaking wet. And I was like doing an interview and I'm like, I haven't seen my wife and kid yet. Like where they at, what's going on. Uh, and so you're going through the emotions. I'm trying not to pass out cause I'm dehydrated and fatigued and I see them and all of that goes away. It's just like us three are at the track for 15 seconds and I see my kid, he cracks that smile when he sees when he sees me and I'm already on top of the world and I don't even know how you can get higher than that. Um, and it was just, uh, it was just a really cool experience. You know, we were able to win in Daytona to start the year with the dual. Um, but this one was Bex's first

official win, uh, to have him there. He has no idea what's going on, but we have a ton of memories captured that we'll be able to talk about someday. And I look forward to that moment. Um, but Amanda being there as well, she's like you said, she's there every step of the way. He's been with me for going on ten years now and has gone through the trials and tribulations with me right by my side And and the first thing she told me and you could see as she mouths it we did it. We did it We finally did it We've been working so hard to get to this level and now that we got our little sidekick healthy baby boy It is just, he did not, he sat there.

He was like, what are y'all doing? I didn't want to force it. I didn't want to force it. It was awesome though. It was awesome. I want to go back to those moments, especially towards the end of the race. Obviously you had multiple cautions and you have to restart. Are you nervous?

What would like, I'm trying to think like, what's going to your mind when you're having to restart, obviously already having a certain position, nervous when it's time to restart in case, might think that maybe somebody might come back and take the spot where I'm already at. Yeah. How did that play out?

Did you have to block people in or you know, you have to be strategic in everything that you do. Yeah. So, so during that red flag, you know, I went through all the scenarios of what was going to happen. I knew, uh, well, the biggest thing we'll back up a little bit. Uh, when the caution came out with six to go, we were extremely tight on fuel. Like, yeah, like that was well, my crew chief said, we have enough fuel for one over time restart. That's it. And then this is all calculated out. So could be off by very little, but the technology and the data that we have nowadays, uh, we don't miss it much. It's spot

on. Right. And so they're like, we have enough for one over time restart. If we go, when we go back green. So I said, okay, so I go through my mental checklist. Okay. I got to get a good start here. If I get a good push and I'm ahead, he's not going to beat me through turn one or turn two. So we fire off and I don't get a good push. He gets a good push. He's ahead of me into one. And I said, okay, close her off. We're going to get, we're going to battle this because I'm not, you know, giving up this spot, um, get the lead through two and, uh, defending, playing a little cat and mouse

down the backstretch caution comes out still in the lead. Well, I was just told that I only have fuel enough fuel for one of those. Here we go. We're about to do it again. And so it's like, all right. Um, there's no way that there's no way that it could end this way. I kind of had the angel devil on each shoulder. It was like, this is about to be ripped out from underneath you. And then the other part is like, you got plenty of fuel in the tank. This is going to be fine. Right. And fast forward, it ended up being fine. We had a hell of a restart, got in the lead through turn one and never looked back and, uh, hell I had enough fuel to do a burnout. I ran out of fuel backing up on onto the podium to go up to the top

So it was it was really cool. Really cool. That's dope. Yeah. Thank you, brother You the 23 to XL car, I mean you you were the first driver that that Mike and Danny hired in 2021 That's right. And you know You absolutely know how competitive Mike is. That's right Danny is pretty then is's a little calmer, but he's competitive also. That's right. When you're going through your drought,

that'll never cross your mind, man. I got to win this thing, cause no one MJ. Ooh. Yeah. I a hundred percent. I thought about that every day. MJ has been, um, super loyal to me. Um, and has been one of my biggest supporters and it's not every day where somebody

can say that. Right. Um, and so I definitely don't take those words for granted. Um, I appreciate that support, but I also know, uh, he also told me, um, you know, don't get comfortable, you know, always, always keep pushing for more, you know, and, and I'm never the person to get comfortable because I am so competitive and I want to win every damn race that we enter. Um, but MJ and Denny both know it's a little bit different for Denny cause he's in it. He's in the trenches as well, but they both know how hard it is to win. And so when you're going up against guys like Denny, I mean, Denny finished third, he was right there. Um, you know, he's,

he's winning multiple. So it's, it's super hard. And so I didn't lose the sight of that, that it's really hard and I'm, I'm given it everything I have. Um, but there was a time like maybe a few years ago where I felt like, you know, Denny was really, really hard on me. And it's like, man, I'm, I'm, what do you want me to do? And I quickly switched transition to, I think both MJ and Denny see the potential in me that I don't see. And this is why everything is happening a certain way. And so I put it on my shoulders to figure out why it's, why is that? What are, what are they saying? Let's go find it.

And I hate that it's taken three years, but Hey, it's been one day since I've haven't won a race now, you know, not a thousand, whatever it was at a hundred races, whatever it was. And, um, you know, it's, it's, I really appreciate those guys and understanding the, the, the importance of competition and what it takes to be the absolute best. I had to beat the best, uh, this weekend to get the win. And so I really love the position that we're in now. Yes. It's only five races to go in the regular season. Um, but there's so much weight lifted off my shoulders. The last three years, I have been the last guy or the first guy out, you know, the last guy in first

guy out I have to the very end of the regular season have always just been super stressed out because you want to make the playoffs. It's a maker. Bricks, you know, we missed it. We were first car out last year. We missed it. And, um, you're kind of just put on the shelf and we'll try again next year. Well, we're in baby. We're in, we're locked in and now we can go and have some fun for these next five, really identify our weak areas and sharpen our tools to get ready for a good playoff run because I truly believe in this team. The 23 car has really uptick the performance from all avenues and man it's it's been really cool. So, um,

we're just what an awesome day yesterday. Yeah. If you don't mind sharing with us, uh, uh, bubble, what did Mike say? Um, when you, when you, when he got on the phone with you and you guys talk, what did he say to you? He was just super proud, man. He was just really, really proud, uh, and really happy for me. And I was, I was bummed. I was bummed that he wasn't there, uh, because, uh, Redick teammate, he's got to win with MJ there. I think he's got multiple wins with MJ there. And I've yet to my three wins. He hasn't been there, but just, okay. Um, but I thought that one would have been good luck. Sure. I'm not being, yeah, stay away. Hey, I got three of

them. You ain't there. Stay away. That's fine with me. Um, but I said, man, I wish you were here and he was like, well, I'll have a drink for you in spirit. So that was, um, that was super cool. Uh, he's always watching, uh, from, from a guy, uh, you guys, you guys know him. I mean, he could be doing so much other things with his time and money and effort, but he loves NASCAR. He, he, he's been a fan of this for so long and he understands how hard that's, that's, you're exactly right. That's exactly right.

And he understands how hard it is and he loves the process to see his, his team go through to get to the top. So it's honored to, uh, to be driving the 23. Hey, how much time do you get to take off? If I'm not mistaken, um, there are five races left is Iowa. Iowa Speedway is next, right? I was, I was next. Yes, sir. I was next. Uh, how much time do you have off before you have to get back out, start training, get back into rhythm and actually forget about, okay,

I just won brickyard 400. Now I've got the hockey in and continue to have fun and enjoy myself. Yeah. But things up before this playoff run. Yeah. Well, so when, when I win, my schedule gets immediately busy, you know? Um, so yes, that's all I've been doing today. And we had a little party last night, but man, I'll tell you getting old and having a nine month old that servers you up real quick. I was up at 7am ready to rip changing diapers and whatnot. So it was, um, it was, it was special to have the team over, but I'm sure tomorrow, I know tomorrow's really packed. And then Wednesday, maybe some more stuff, but Thursday usually

have a day off and then you travel out Friday. So you get a day or so to just completely be off social media, not working, enjoy yourself playing golf, whatever, hanging by the pool, hanging with your kid, whatever it is. So, but really it's no time. You're right back in the car and going at it. Yeah. I have one more question before. If you have anything, go ahead. Tell me, I know I was next. I'm not sure what the other four please tell me. Homestead Miami Speedway is in the next four after Iowa. Nope. We already ran. We ran Homestead earlier this year. So next year, the final race of the season will be Homestead. So it'll be in November.

So yeah, we ran Homestead. We finished third there back in March. So it's been a while. So yeah, yeah, you can travel. You can travel. Come on out. Any race we got you already know. So we got we got Iowa. What's that Iowa? I don't know. Come on out. Any race. We got you already know. So we got, we got Iowa. What's after Iowa?

I don't know. Let me look. Iowa, Watkins, Glen. Um, I went to walk in Glenn. That's a road course. That's a road course. Richmond and Daytona. Oh, well Daytona that'd be what that's during football season. You know, by that time, right? That's a probably a month away. Okay. I, I, I see you in Daytona. You're going to be there. All right. Perfect. Yeah. Cause, I'll see you in Daytona. You're gonna be there? All right, perfect. Yeah, cause remember I'm in Miami. I'm right down the street.

That's right. So that's a Saturday night race. So August 23rd. Okay, I'll be there. All right, I'll hit you up. But let me ask you this. How did it determine the crown jewels? Because when I was growing up

and I used to watch NASCAR, you know, when I had the conversation, you're like, man, you really do know NASCAR. When did, because Talladega, Talladega was really next to Daytona when I was a kid. And so, and you look at the Crown Jewels, they got, you know, you got, obviously got the Brickyard and you got the Coca-Cola 600 in Charlotte,

you got Daytona, and then Darlington. How did Talladega get kicked out? Ah, that's a good question. So I, I haven't really, really been a, a history buff and understood the importance. I appreciate the importance. Um, but when all this came about, you know, I just kind of stumbled upon like, okay, we got four crown jewels. Um, but I would say since the early 2000s, late nineties, maybe early nineties, it's, it's been kind of those four, um, cause they're always talked about every time they're on the schedule and they're, we're getting close to them. Crown jewel events are coming up. So Halliday, uh, I think just because

I don't know why it's changed, be honest with you. I could get off into the weeds and, uh, I'm not sure, but I know we got one of them. So we good. I got one. I got one. I got one of the slams or the jewels and I'm good. We had a conversation and I was asking you, I said, well, how much time do you spend on the track? And I want you to share with our chat that you like spend most of the time in the simulator. You know, the cars cost too much. We can't afford, can't run the risk of wrecking them. So we spent a lot of time in the simulator. Talk to our chat about, about that. Yeah. I remember that conversation. Um, yeah, we, uh, that's, that's

actually a really popular question that, that people always ask. Like what does practice look like? Well, we don't get any, you know, um, let's go back 15, 10, 10, 15 years ago. Yeah. We were testing each and every day of the week. We'd, we'd race on Sunday, be tested Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, if you could. But nothing's free in this world and it costs a lot of money. And so NASCAR looked at ways of becoming more cost efficient and, and, and bridging the gap from smaller budget teams to bigger budget teams. And so they eliminated testing, right? The more testing, the more R and D you get, the more speed you find as to where smaller teams you don't really have that. So you had the disparity, right? And so now there's probably, let's just say 15 to 20 NASCAR mandated tests, but there's only three cars that are allowed.

Sometimes there's two from each team that are allowed to go. But NASCAR mandates those and it's not every time that I get to go and do it. I haven't tested in over a year and that's just one track. There's just one track. And so we spend all of our time weeks leading up for road courses. We'll spend every Wednesday for two hours getting ready for like Watkins Glen. Right. And so some drivers do more, some drivers are less. Some drivers don't do any at all. I struggle a little bit because it is virtual, right? It does. You don't have the sensation of speed. So I, that's a big factor that I rely on. Like my, my mind, my, my butt is

telling me things to my feet to do my hands to do. And you don't get that. Um, but it is a good tool for engineers and crew chiefs. They, they really have developed the software and the technology to basically take our setup, our physical setup and plug it in the data world. Right. And this is what you got. So give us our feedback. You're right. And, um, and it's, And it's crazy to see how advanced it has come. So yeah, we spend hours on the virtual world getting ready for real life and expected to be the same.

You know what, that's funny. Now that you said that the way you practice, obviously you don't want to wreck the cars in real time having to practice, but doing it in the virtual world, how long before you catch a rhythm, the live track and feel comfortable at what you're doing. Obviously doing it virtually, you have to memorize everything, understand where you can get away with things. Can you get it? Can I get away with this high? Can I get away with low drag? You know, the whole nine yards.

I'm not a one. Yeah. Yeah. But no, I'll give you a Chicago, the street course that we ran. We were just there there three weeks ago, I believe. Um, it is actually pretty good on the SIM, like things translate pretty well. And so we have our breaking markers. They have like 800 feet, 700 feet, 600 feet until the turn. Right? So that's your breaking markers. And so on the SIM, you pick out one and you get into a nice rhythm for, for weeks and running that. And so it's like, all right, you know, we feel pretty good about it. We go off in real life and you break it to six, six, 600 marker. And it's like, Oh, that's it. Okay. So then sometimes it could be off maybe by

a hundred feet, which is a lot, but you can creep up to it and whatnot. We usually tend to creep up to it instead of over We usually tend to creep up to it instead of overdo it and back back off because when you're on a street course, there's not much room for overdoing. You are done and destroyed. So yes, you have to be mindful. So it's easy for us to creep up to, but when the track translates and correlates really well in the virtual world, right, then it makes the process easier. So you're spending maybe three laps in real life to get comfortable. Right. Ah, okay. You, you, you mentioned Watkins Glen, which is a road course. That's normally it's all these left turns. Now you're talking about right turns. How long does it take you to get

comfortable with that? Yeah, it's taken me 23 years. I've been doing it. Man road course. I've come a long way since my first road course race. So I've been in cup for eight years now. Man, I was just terrible. I was so slow. Just if the breaking market that if the Mark was go lift at the 400, I was lifting at the 800. Like I was just not doing my job. It was bad. And now, you know, we've, we've been able to confidently say, we looked at all of our road course stuff. This, this finishes don't show it, but where we qualify, where we run, we can say we're a 10th, 12th place car on road courses, which is a massive step. And I've really appreciated the grind to get there. Uh, it's been a lot of

work, but I have confidence showing up on road courses. Now, like I have confidence going to the Indy and then road courses are right there beneath it, right? It's not going to match an oval because I haven't done it all my life. There's a lot of guys that have done it majority of their life, majority of their career, they can just show up and be really good at it. And so it's just a different craft that you have to learn how to develop and adapt to that has taken a little bit more time for me, but it's finally starting to show up and pay off. Yeah. Okay. I got one more question. One more question. Okay. I'm almost coming off. I promise. I promise. I promise. Okay. When it

comes to practice, right? I just want to this, virtually, obviously, or when you have simulations in the virtual world, do they obviously have cars as well? Is the simulator that way? We have other cars to practice against? Nope, nope, we are out there solo. So yeah, there's another factor that you're always by yourself. And certain tracks you can work on,

like we don't have tire fall off. So the tires are always 100% grip every time, every, every part in the virtual world. That's not real in real life, right? So there's so many different factors. As soon as you roll out of the garage, your tires are already starting to heat up and change. So there's a lot of factors that are still a work in progress. This is many years after I am out, we'll still always be developing simulation tools to get it even closer to real life.

So it'll be exciting to see what's to come. Bubba, you drive. Now, obviously, Rick Hendricks is a big car collector. MJ is a car collector. Are drivers you guys drive for a living? Are you guys car collectors? Do you like cars? I love cars.

I have a couple of toys. I've posted, I have a couple of vintage cars. I got a Volkswagen bug and a bus. Those are fun. But Twitter... What you got? A 23 window? 21.

21 window. Yeah, that thing is pimp too. Like it's, it's actually off getting work done. Uh, it'll actually be back I think within the next month, which I'm excited for. I got a bigger motor in it. So it's, uh, it's going to be fun, but Toyota man is such a great partner of ours. And, uh, I got a pretty sweet deal. I got a pretty good agent to work out a good deal. I get three personal vehicles from them. So I'm not complaining. I drive the new Toyota Tundra TRD Pro.

My wife's got the Lexus GX 550. And then I got my bus driver one just to cruise around in the new brand new 4Runner that just came out. So I'm living good. I got a lot of cars. I love cars. Yeah, we're good. Right, you drive fast for a living.

You didn't mention anything foreign that is really, really fast. Well, I'm good because I trust my race car way more than any street car that goes fast. OK, so I'm good. I drive it on Sundays. OK, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But we're going to get out of this one for black young kids that may be listening and get them interested in NASCAR to be like you because you said at a very young age, you driving the midgets and you like always wanted to be on the NASCAR circuit. You wanted to drive. How do we get other minorities interested

in NASCAR? Oh man, that's such a good question. I think it, I think winning on Sundays definitely helps you know, for me, uh, that, that gets like the, the, the steak in the ground that gets the roots in the ground, right. And creates a foundation, um, how we make getting started in, in motor sports mainstream. It is so underground. It doesn't matter if you're trying to be an F1 driver, Indy car driver, NASCAR driver, the go-kart tracks are not some, Hey, show up here and have a good time. It is underground and it costs a lot of money. And so I think,

I think it's understanding. There's probably so many kids out there that I know there's so many kids out there that want to race and have no idea that there's a go-kart track or a racing facility within 10 miles of their house. And it's about the exposure. It's about being comfortable to go out there and just watch, become a fan, learn as much as you can. And then when you build up the confidence and courage, you go ask somebody, how do I do this? How do I become this? The first thing people are going to say is money. The way that the sport is evolved now, like the driver that has them a lot of talent and no money versus the driver who has a lot of money and notes are a no talent, you know, he is getting the opportunity first

over the guy with talent. And so I hate that it's that way, but everything's gotten expensive these days, but motor sports. I mean, you're racing cars at the end of the hate that it's that way, but everything's gotten expensive these days. But motor sports, I mean, you're racing cars at the end of the day, it's expensive. And so understanding that figuring out how to get your foot in the door, but understanding that it is so underground, you have to do your research. I encourage everybody to get on Google maps or whatever it is and type in racetracks nearby and go and enjoy it. because there are so many different forms of racing to get started in.

Um, and, and everybody wants to be a driver. I get that, but there's only 38, 36 of us that get to do it in the world. Like it's hard. Not everybody can be a driver, but you can be a part of the race team. There are so many opportunities that I think all of us can do a better job of showcasing. Um, Hey, this might be an avenue for you. This might be an avenue for you. Like come be a part of our team in some fashion. Let's learn together and grow together. I like it. Bubba man. Congratulations, man. We're proud of you. Thank you. Check this out. When you went, when you win the cup, cause you're in the playoffs, when you win the cup, come back

and celebrate with us. Oh, I'll be there. I'll be there from the racetrack. I'll call you from the bus, from victory lane, right? I appreciate it, Bubba, man. Congratulations on the new kid. Congratulations on the win, man. Come back and see you soon.

All right, will do. Thank you, guys. Y'all have a good night. I appreciate you. Bubba Wallace, ladies and gentlemen. Yes, sir. All right. Bad, that was great. It was Wallace ladies and gentlemen. Yes sir. All right. Oh man, that was great. It was great.

Like I said, I've had him on Ocho when I first started club Shea Shea. I had him on and we talked a long time and got into the weeds of it. And we talked about the drivers, obviously Wendell Scott, but we talked about Richard Petty and Cale Yarborough and Bobby and Donny Allison and Darrell Waltrip

and all the guys, Harry Ganton, Austin Bill from Dawsonville, and Buddy Baker, the Wood Brothers, you know. Man, I, oh, it's your bad. Back when I was a kid, NASCAR was it in the South. Black, white, it didn't matter. You go to the convenience store and they had the bandanas. They had all the little bandanas.

You saw all the racing cars. Dale Earnhardt Sr. So you had, I mean, you had all the paraphernalia, the jackets hanging up, the caps. And if you're from the South, you know exactly what I'm talking about. And there was no, there was really no, there was no Iowa.

There was no, there was no California racing. Everything was from the South, basically from Virginia all the way down. Man, it was unbelievable to talk about it, man. But it was great to have Bubba on and get an opportunity to talk from time to time. I like having guys on from a sport that we don't really talk about a whole lot.

And it gives the chat an opportunity to hear about something that they're probably not as familiar with or, and to get a guy, get an opportunity on like Bubba to show his personality. And the funny thing too about it, is I've been to many NASCAR races. I can talk to Burbards, talk to the Pacifics a little bit. And I don't think people actually want to give it a chance because they just view it as cars going fast in a circle. But- Yeah, your strategy is a lot of strategy behind it.

It's a lot, but I would never want to explain the strategy to somebody who's never been, I want to get you an environment. I just need to get you an environment. I just need to get you in them stands, get you a nice beer, get you a hot dog, get you some popcorn, and just then allow you to experience it there,

and then you'll get a better feel for it. It's more than just going in a circle. Because just tell it, just tell you watch it on TV, it does no justice, man. Because- Until, until you see them cars, traveling at 180 to 200 miles an hour, and they're this far apart.

So you talk about the 405 or you go on 75, 85. I'm talking about highways that everybody knows or you get on the 10. On rush hour. And you, hey, yep, like Ocho say, you rush hour. And the cars are going traveling 180 miles an hour and they're this close to each other. No room for error. There. No room for error.

There is no room for error. And when those cars come by and you could just, I mean you could just feel it. You could feel it. You could feel it. Hey, the best part is when the announcer says, driver start your engines. Gentlemen, start your engines.

Oh, it started, that feeling is like no other. Oh, when they fire that that bag up on choke and they start head to the track and they start doing like this I like it on choke. Ain't nothing like it man. Ain't nothing like it You've been to Charlotte before you never been to Charlotte. I've never been to Charlotte. No, okay. Yeah, Charlotte I've been to Charlotte before? You never been to Charlotte, huh? I've never been to Charlotte, no. Okay, yeah, Charlotte, I've been to Charlotte, Daytona, Iowa once, Homestead, which is right, but like a 30 minute drive down the road. Yeah. Man, I'm...

We got Hampton, we got Hampton. Hampton is so hard to get to because there's only one way in and there's one way out. Oh, that's traffic. And so you talking about a couple of hundred, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Hampton, it's Hampton, Georgia. So there's only one, oh, Joe, it's two lanes. oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Hampton, it's in Hampton, Georgia. So there's only one, Ocho, it's two lanes. So you going in, bro.

So unless you get the helicopter in, good luck. Good luck. But yeah, man, it's, you got to, you got to, you need to experience it to get a true appreciation. All right, Ocho jerry jones said He just can't help himself today he said last year's chance for cd lamb's contract extension was much louder than yesterday's Chance for mica jerry said man. That was a little faint noise compared to the way they were hollering last year paid lamb

Whoever's not in, you can count on a few hollering there, but it was big and loud last year chance for Liam. I don't know. I don't know. Listen, I'm, I told you what I think Jerry's doing. I told you what I think he's doing. He's perfectly every time he's not pranking us, but every time it's time for a player to get paid, even though he has to pay them top dollar, I think he purposely waits to the last to the last minute for a reason. He's doing on purpose so that tension can always be on the cowboy. So the tension can always be on, be on him. Let's say what if he did pay Michael Parsons already? What would be the conversation? What would

be the conversation right now? There would be the conversation? What would be the conversation right now? There would be- Oh, Dak? Are you what you gonna do with Dak? Hey, what do you mean? Dak is scheduled to make what? 60, 61, 62, something like that? $60 billion.

Hey, is he gonna extend him? Extend him? He just signed it. Man, he got two years, he got another year left on that. Already? Yeah, that do. That's what I do.

Damn. Hey, that's what I say, Ocho. Hey. That's what I say. These years go by fast. You look up, I mean, I just remember celebrating the 50th birthday. Now I'm closer to 60 than I am 50. And that's the thing, you look up, man,

man, this time ain't waiting on nobody, Ocho. Oh, it ain't one thing. And one thing is it would never do. It would never, it would never, hey, what, hey, say that, you remember that quote you said about why you wear a watch? You remember that quote? I gotta read that, I ain't got my pad.

Right. I wear a watch, why? Hey, how valuable my time is, not to tell time. Ah! Yeah, that guy, after this year, that guy have two years left. Okay. Okay.

Man, that guy, that, ooh, that killing them, boy. That killing them. Yeah, they, they, they, they, they, They gonna be one hell of a team, offensive. $80 million signing bonus. 231 million in guaranteed money. That's what he got? That's what that guy. Go ahead, brother.

Yeah. I ain't mad at him. At all. I mean, you know how much a man gotta pay? How much a man gotta be worth to pay you 230 and guarantee it? Come on now. Come on now. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

Remember what somebody said, hey, to the man, the man that got a hundred million dollar home, how much money do you think he actually got? If you can afford a hundred million dollar home. You know what? I give you one better. How about the man that has a $360 million yacht? That's a crew.

You got to have a crew probably 30 to 50 people. And don't get me started, man. There's a whole different, we think athletes are rich. Well, hell, what'd you think of people that's paying them are? No, they rich and wealthy. They wealthy. They're between rich and wealthy. The wealthy people pay the rich people salary.

That's how that work. That's how that work. As a matter of fact, hold on, hold on, hold on. And you know there's another level above the wealthy people. The ultra. The ultra. Come on, man. When you start getting ultra,

when you start getting to that 20, 30, for first of all, you start getting 20, 30 billion. That's it. Now you get to 50 to 75, and then you get these guys that they got a hundred and then they go from one to 150, 150 to 200, 200 to 250. Now you get that Elon Musk that's in a class by himself that he's 300 billion and then you know you got Larry Ellison and you got Mark Zuckerberg and you got you know Jeff

Bezos. You got those Zuckerberg and you got Jeff Bezos. You got those guys, the 200s. But what, Ocho, it's kinda like, once you get to a certain number, it's like hot. Your body don't know the difference between 200 degrees and 300 degrees. Yeah, yeah. Once you get 50 billion, you get 50 billion.

What can't you buy with 50 billion that you need 75 billion for? Besides you say I wanna have it. Which I get, I ain't got no problem with that. Hey, and it's so funny when it comes to billionaires, the toys that they like to buy are completely different than what the millionaires like to buy. Their toys are 50 billion.

Oh yeah, they, look, they get, let me, I mean they dropping, they dropping, in a hundred million two hundred million on artwork You know I'm saying they got a painting, you know Picasso or they got win-raw, you know They they they they spend them. They spend money Michelangelo. They spending money on Picasso they spending money like that old joke, you know, they got a home over here They got a home over there and you know, they got a helicopter. here, they got a home over there, and you know, they got a helicopter, they got a jet. You know, they take, you know, they got a place over here that they'll take the, you know, take the yacht to

and get up. Yeah. Hey man, it's a different world out there. So Jerry, you heard them. So it doesn't matter how loud the chance were. You heard them say, pay Michael. Or as he would say, pay Michael. One thing Jerry gonna do, is he gonna do things his way.

Oh, for sure. He gonna do things his way and on his time. I don't like the fact that Mike is missing all these valuable days. And he's not, he's not going through the, I call it, putting the callous, creating the callous on the body to get ready to play football in the regular season. I don't like it. Because he's going to cut Norm Mica as explosive as he is, he's going to go from zero to 60 just like that.

Yeah. No. But look, this is Jerry. the 60 just like that. Yeah. Nah. Like that. But look, this is Jerry. Jerry gonna be Jerry. He's gonna do, like you said, he's gonna do thing on his timeline. He already knows he has to pay Micah.

Micah Parsons don't fall off trees. You got one and you get an opportunity to have him for the next, you know, you got him yet. I mean, Michael's 26. So this is his fifth year. So you get to have him for another five to eight years at bare minimum. And you know, you're going to have to pay him. And guess what? This is not the only contract that you're going to get it. You're going to guess what? You're going to probably have to extend him another time.

Just like Myles Garrett got extended and he got extended again. T.J. Watt got extended and he got extended again. TJ Watt got extended and he got extended again. So guess what? You're going to probably have to give him two extensions. Yeah. And Michael Parsons probably by the time he's 32, 33, he's going to probably be worth, done signed contracts over $300 million. 33 is gonna probably be worth your done signed contracts over 300 million dollars But just that's the NFL that we live in now, which oh that's that's where it's at was definitely and he Will have earned every dime. Yeah, people don't listen somebody on in the chat. Mike have been at training camp. Oh Joe, what you talking about? Is Michael Parson practicing?

How's he touch the field? What, he holding in? Yeah, he holding in. I'm not, wait, how are we, like, what are we talking about, man? I just said he's gonna have to go from zero to 60 when he signs. He's holding in so he doesn't get fined. Yeah, that's 50,000 a day.

It is 50,000 a day, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Like, godly, common sense. Damn, that's crazy. Yeah. He's a he's a he's been a limited participant. Because he's citing back tightness. Back what? Oh back what is back it's back tight But people funny man

Mm-hmm, I don't blame hey, that's fine. I don't blame you. Like I said, 50,000 a day? You gonna be in training camp. I mean, you gonna be in training camp at Bear Middle in 20 days. That's a meal. Yeah. Ain't no point in playing like that. I'm here.

Like, they can't forget that money either. But they can't forget it. They're like they used to. Got the pay. But guess what? Since you can't forgive it, guess what? Go ahead and put it in my contract. I won't give it like it used to. But guess what? Since you can't forgive it, guess what? Go ahead and put it in my contract. I won't buy. Whatever I would've lost,

whatever I lost by not showing up, I'm gonna need that in the contract. Yes, yes. And then, as a matter of fact, put it in the signing booth. In the signing booth. Yeah, like St. Louis told Dollar Bill, do something to make me feel better.

That's not what he told Brooklyn. What was it? What was the dude name? Brooklyn? What was the other dude name? When he put that, he put the cigarette out of what you call a nose, man. I forgot.

You remember Lil' Bad and the Dope Bad? Hey, say hey, do something to make me feel better. Hey, yeah, look, they're gonna get it done. I just hate, you know, Michael. Michael's like, well, hold on. Y'all keep on telling me y'all gonna get it done. Until that thing hit my bank account, I don't believe it gonna get done.

Listen, I mean, Jerry is being Jerry. He's done this to everybody. So the timetable I'm not sure when it's gonna be Me if I was the player I would have asked you and I went I would have went to him quietly I say listen, I understand you have a way of doing things I'm not here to bully you and tell you how to run your business But I need to be on doing things. I'm not here to bully you and tell you how to run your business, but I need to be on the field. I need to be practicing, especially when it comes to training camp. I want to be as far ahead of the curve as I can be

going into the preseason because I'm not going to get that many snaps, getting acclimated to the speed of the goddamn game. Please, sir, thank you kindly. And close the door and walk out. Well, remember what he said about CD. What CD you gonna get out of being in practice, being in training camp, being all this?

Man, please. Well, actually, you know what? CD ain't miss a goddamn beat. He ain't miss a beat last year. He ain't miss a beat. Dak went out and he still was very productive. No, I think they ended up shutting CD down too. Well, F towards the end of the season.

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