Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Jerry Jones-Micah Parsons drama + Shakur Stevenson joins

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Micah Parsons reporting to training camp despite him having a contract dispute, speculations, Shemar and Bengals are still having issues and Shakur Stevenson joins the show and much more! 00:00 Introduction05:00 - Shemar Stewart/Bengals Drama16:20 - Browns QB Pickett predicted to be QB1 in camp28:10 - Shedeur gave back to residents of Garden Valley Apts after fire30:45 - Jerry Jones Shenanigans50:05 - Shakur Stevenson (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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evening, Ocho, Shakur Stevenson will be joining us in just a bit. But first, we got to talk about your team. The Bengals point the finger at Shamir, Shamar Stewart, Shamar Stewart's agent over the contract drama. First, Bengals director of player personnel, Duke Tobin, pointed the finger at Stewart's representation. He needs to be here.

I would encourage him to be here. He's listening to advice. He's paying for his agent. I don't understand the advice. We're treating him fairly. No, you're not. No, you're not. Nobody else put that language in the contract

that if you have a conduct detrimental, all future guarantees could be voided. Right. You do realize, if I'm not mistaken, I think the way they do it now, Ocho, the first round of the money is guaranteed. Yes, sir. So in other words, he has a slip up this year,

next year, the year after, and the year after money could potentially be voided. Are they out of their mind? That is the reason why you have an agent. Is that you're supposed to take advice from the agent. If you didn't, because see, they want to take advantage. Oh, we're treating him fairly. No, you're not.

No, you're not. Nobody else does this. Y'all trying to be slick. And they know, you're starting to dangerous. You got to be careful with precedent, Ocho. Precedent. Because now they're gonna try everybody. You start doing that, everybody gonna try

to start to slip that in there. Nah, you're not finna do that. If you wanna punish me for something I did this year, by all means. But to take all the future guarantees, when the contract is more times than not is guaranteed, absolutely not, Ocho. Yeah, I totally understand what you're saying.

Obviously, I don't like the hypothetical that was used in the situation, being that if you're in prison, and Mike Brown saying, if just so happened, he goes to prison, I shouldn't have to pay him. For that matter, I think it should be a year to year thing. I think the agent should have come to that conclusion a very long time ago based on yearly. Listen, year one, if something happens that detrimental conduct detrimental to the team, then money for that specific

year should not have to be paid. There should be some type of penalty where the players not the player that the owners can protect themselves and not having to play. But what's fair is fair. And what I think what they're trying to do is not fair. They're trying to set a precedent, a certain precedent that if, if Shemar Stewart, the first one, then everyone else, it's a copycat league. If one team does it, and Shemar Stewart and his agent allow it to happen,

then it would be a trickle effect and everyone else will start implementing that and setting their precedent as well. Then owner Mike Brown said, it's not about money. It's about guarantee in this case of if he were to do something contrary to the discipline levels of the league, I don't think that's going to ever happen.

That's what's holding it up. It's never happened as long as I can remember. His agent wants it to be if he acted in a terrible fashion, this is all hypothetical, something that rises to the level of him going to prison, we'd be on the line for the guarantee. Yeah, that's how it works. Yeah.

But, but Ocho, but guess what? They want to be in a situation if we cut you, even if I got guaranteed money, I cut you, I ain't got to pay you. That's what guarantee me. Hold on. Am I the only one to understand what the word guarantee mean on y'all? Yeah. That's how it works.

You don't get to determine that, well, you did something year one. Now we're gonna punish you year two, year three, year four. No, bro. I don't work like that. Yeah. I mean, it's a- If it goes to arbitration, Ocho, if it goes to arbitration, you know,

and that's what we have. We have an independent arbiter and they hear both sides. And if they say, okay, okay, I can live with that. But for you to just give you that kind of control, just give up that, absolutely not, Ocho. No way in hell would I ever do that. And he said, it's not about the money. It is about the money.

Guarantee is about guaranteed money. Definitely about the money. But listen, excuse me. Shamar Stewart and his representation are in a tough spot. The Bangos of Browns and Mike Brown, Katie and Duke Tobin, they're also in a tough spot. The Bengals, the Browns, and Mike Brown, Katie and Duke Tobin, they're also in a tough spot. I would love for the matter to be resolved. Training camp has already started.

Yes. Rookies have already reported. So he's actually missing time, valuable time, where I think he can come in and make a difference based on what I've seen on film, you know, with College Tape, he can come in and make a difference. Our defense was very bad last year. Yes. We need all bad last year. Yes.

We need all hands on deck. Correct. We need all hands on deck based on how we as a team and our organization start every goddamn season in a hole. Having to dig ourself and dig our way out of it. The point of having the draft is to draft people and draft players that we think we can benefit from and help our team. And this situation right here is not helping us in any way, shape, form, or fashion to reach the end goal.

We all have the same end goal. We trying to get to Lombardi. We trying to be in San Francisco come February, week one. And this is not the type of business ain't going about doing so. I hope they get the matter resolved. I'm sick of talking about it. I'm sorry for being a little frustrated.

I'm a little passionate about my team a little bit. And listen, Shamar Stewart has to do what's right. His representation is doing exactly what they should do. This is business. This is the ugly side of business. I know young people want to go out there and play football. I got drafted. I finally achieved and reached my childhood dream of getting drafted to an NFL team. It just so happened. Now the business gets in the way. The ugly side of it. And you wonder why I had so much fun while I was playing. To get away from this side, this part.

to get away from this side, this part. Man, I hope this resolved. But you noticed how the Bengals, now, why didn't the 30 other one on teams did the hypotheticals? You notice how hypotheticals only happen to the Bengals. If he were to go to prison or something, I don't think that's gonna happen. Just like they said, oh, he might misbehave,

run a foul with the league. I don't think that's gonna happen. Well, if you don't think that's gonna happen, why like they said, oh, this like, he might misbehave, run a foul with the league. I don't think that's gonna happen. Well, if you don't think that's gonna happen, why you putting language in there? I have a question. Go ahead. And excuse me for my lack of ignorance and lack of knowledge on his past history.

Does he have character issues or stuff that happened previously in the past that I don't know about? Cause that to me, that would be the only reason this Pacific player, these clauses would want to be implemented into his contract because of past behavior. I thought you came in with a clean slate. That's what they told us. Now I noticed, now you, I don't know if you remember this.

You remember when they, Terrell Pryor, Terrell Pryor sold some of his game war and stuff, the stuff that he got for winning the Big Ten Championship. Ohio State. Ohio State, he sold his jersey. Yes. Now this happened in college, and when he got to the league,

the league suspended him for five games. I was outraged. I said, how in the hell since when can you punish me for something? Ocho, let's just say for the sake of argument, I'm a college kid. And I get a DUI in college. I graduate college, I do an unbelievable job,

I graduate with honors. I get this job and the job tells me, well, we're gonna take two months salary from you because you got a DUI. That didn't have nothing to do with that. I wasn't even on the job. Right, right, right, right. Whatever Shamar, Shamar, what is it?

Shamar? Shamar. Whatever he did or didn't do, he didn't do it on the bingo's clock. Right. How do you get to punish somebody for something they didn't do when they didn't work for you?

But also, this is their entity. This is their business. So when it comes to business, something that you do know is businesses, they do everything they can, especially contractually, to be able to protect themselves, just in case what you did back then, in case your past creeps in while you're working for us.

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on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Was this in Anthony Munoz's contract? Was this in Boomer Siles's contract? Because this is the same ownership that's owned that so I need to know now if This is what they've always done. I don't have a problem with it But if this is something new I'm not going to be your test dummy I'm not going to be your guinea pig to start this precedent

You can start it next year, but I will not allow you to start the precedent with me You can start it next year, but I will not allow you to start the precedent with me. Oh, hey, that's a good one. Hey, it's a tough spot. Hey, I know fans are pissed. Fans are pissed. Hell, you can tell the way I'm talking. Like, I'm sick of talking about it

because I want to see Young Bull in camp. But I also, I see both sides. I see both sides. Of course, me always having the side with it. I got the side with the player, as much as I a side with it. I got the side with the player, as much as I love my Bengals. I got the side with the player. Always.

More times than not, I do too, Ocho. But I believe in right is right, wrong is wrong. And I think the Bengals are wrong in this situation. And to say you're receiving bad advice, that's why you, Ocho, why would I hire a financial advisor if I'm not gonna listen to it? Somebody, I'm gonna give somebody millions of dollars

to invest my money and then they say, well, this is safe, it's not gonna give you 20, 30, 40%, but it's gonna give you a consistent six to 8% because when you take those huge swings, there's a chance they don't hit. This is safe. Now, once you get to a certain level you say okay I got a couple extra dollars I want to put it in something here a little more risky that's gonna give me more bang for my buck. Something that can give me 3x,

2x, 4x, 5x but that's a huge risk because for every uber eats or, there's something that does not hit. See, there are all the ones we look at the Bitcoin, we look at the Uber Eats, and we look at the Amazons. But do you know how many companies have gone belly up? And that never the IPO net was nothing? Thousands. Yes. Thousands. So Yes. Thousands. So that's the whole reason. Yeah. Is that I listen, I hired a guy for a reason.

If I thought I could do it on my own, I damn sure didn't care to give somebody three to four percent, but I knew I couldn't do it on my own. And then I didn't want to hear them talk some bulljives because here I was taking these injections and giving them on my own and you telling me I'm losing the step. Was I losing the step before or after I started taking them injections and giving them my all and you telling me I'm losing the step. Was I losing the step before or after I started taking them injections and I wasn't 100% out there. Wait a minute, speaking of that,

speaking of that, I'm glad you just said that. I'm so glad you just said that. Please tell me you talk about that team that we so-called America's team based on the comments that were said about sticks. Please tell me we got that in there. We go get that, we go get the- Okay, okay, okay.

I just wanna make sure we got it in line up now cause he got it in nerve. The audacity, the gall. Shit, man. Go ahead. Brown's Kenny Pickett predicted to end a training camp as QB1. Cleveland's quarterback battle is about to begin

with the start of the 2025 training camp. Rookies and vets have officially reported to Berea. To kick things off, Mary Kay Cabot predicts that Kenny Pickett will have the upper hand early in camp. Kenny Pickett still has a slight edge in terms of being number one on the depth chart, heading in the training camp, but that could quickly change.

Mary Kay Cabot is the gospel when it comes to the Cleveland Browns. Yeah, yes he is. She's the gospel. Yes he is. Listen, she's the Pavarotti of opera. There's some reporters that when they speak about, because they've covered it for so long.

Yes. That's her. Jane Slater, when she starts talking about the Cowboys, take it to the bank. Yeah, every time. Take it to, take it, take it, take it, go on and take it to the bank. It used to be that way with Ed Bouchette when he was in Pittsburgh. I don't know if he still, Ed, is still there, but when he talks, go on and like, yeah, that's it.

Yeah, yeah. Mary Kay Cabot did it. Go ahead, Ocho, you's it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mary Kay Cabot did it. Go ahead, Ocho. You go say. No, no, I'm going to say. The quarterback battle. Yes, I like what they're doing. I like I like what they're doing. I like the fact that they put certain things out.

And most of the time, it's all smoke and mirrors. It's all smoke and mirrors. I talked to the people that played on that team. I hear what's being said. I slipped up a little bit a few shows ago and said something that shouldn't have said, but it was okay with that individual that I did say it. I know what it looks like.

They're telling me, you know? So I love what she says and what she says. Kenny Pickett has a chance to be quarterback number one. I know when we quoted quarterback number one, week one, when they step on that field, I know who it's gonna be. I can tell you that, you know, it can be Joe Flacco. That's me to hear it nor there.

The person that has the front running experience, the front running experience based on what he's done is familiar with the team and the offense. It could be Joe Flacco. Now, who's going to be behind him if anything goes wrong or when things start to go wrong? My guess is going to be the best person, most polished with the most success behind him. And that would be, that would be 12. And that's brother Sanders.

No disrespect to Dylan Gabriel or Kenny Pickett. But if they were the answer, they've already had their time. They already had their chances to be starting to quarterbacks in the league. You understand what I'm saying? Is something going to miraculously change with Kenny Pickett? No, I don't think so.

Okay, yeah, so I don't understand quarterback number one, a chance, I don't listen to any of that. That's all I call that smoke and mirrors. No disrespect to Kenny Pickett. Love him, love him, but it's opportunity. With the Steelers. You had it. So you mean you come to a team like the Cleveland Browns that's in dire need of quarterback one and all of a sudden now you the answer if something has changed miraculously

at the quarterback position with you in your play. No, it hasn't. I agree, Ocho. I just didn't understand if, you know, you bring in all these quarterbacks, you bring in a veteran 18 years in Joe Flacco, you bring in another veteran player in Kenny Pickett and you take two rookies. Yeah. I don't get that because I see a very similar situation

with the RG3 situation in Washington. You take RG3 with the number two pick and then you end up taking Cousins. And we see how that played out. We see how that played out. Mike didn't want RG3 because back then Ocho, they were in salary cap hell. They had tried to put all that money in an uncapped year,

the league punished them. And so they had a lot of debt. They had a lot, they really didn't have any cap space. Now Mike's looking at Daniel Snyder, said, Daniel, if we give up this to get this young man, how do we build a team? We can't sign free agencies and we given up draft capital for the future.

Yeah. And his style leads to injury because now if he's gonna be Lamar, you see Lamar gradually runs less and less. He throws more and more from the pocket. He's done a better job of getting down. He's done a better job of getting out of bounds. That wasn't RG3.

And plus the fact RG3 wanted to be something that he couldn't be immediately. That was Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Right. Pocket being able to, they were that because they were not athletic. They couldn't take off and run and run away from a defense like RG3 could. He didn't understand that was his blessing, Ocho. Right.

You notice, Ocho, quarterbacks that are not, never say, man, I wish I was mobile. Tom Brady never said, I wish I could do this. Peyton Manning never said I'd do that. Because you have to understand, the defense looks at you once you start running, they see Adrian Peterson. Thank you. No matter what jersey number you wearing.

I see a running back. That's it. And I'm trying to split his dome. Legally, I'm trying to hit you as hard as God will let me. Now, I'm not concerned about next week, but if I hit you clean legally and you don't come back into the game, I wish you the best for next week, but oh well.

Because I look at it like this, Ocho, my job as a defender is not to protect the offensive player. That's his coordinator's job. That's his quarterback job. So if the coordinator calls a play and the quarterback takes off running, you told me you don't care about him. Yeah.

So why should I? But also you know what? You know what also? He knows the player strengths is at the quarterback position. So he puts the quarterback in advantageous positions to make those plays for the team and just so happens what the quarterback does best is the exact thing the defense hope he does. Hope that's because all I need is one clean shot. That's it.

This is it. That's it. And I just, I just hope she do it gets a fair chance. It's hard speaking personally, Ocho, going into a situation where you're not a high draft pick and you're behind so many guys. Hell, I'm like the sixth or seventh receiver. I'm only gonna get one or two plays, Ocho.

How do I get your attention? Make the most of it. That's it? Listen, I don't even think it's, I don't even think it's, it's not even hard, huh? It's not even hard. I hate going back, but this was just a lesson being taught. We already know he's a top three pick and should have been.

Should have been. Now, for conversational purposes, this is a great conversation piece. I know how the outcome is going to be based on what he can do when he touches the field. He's been a winner all his life. Yep. Everywhere he's went.

In that same attitude and discipline and the way of playing the game of football, it's going to carry over in Cleveland as well. And this is no disrespect to the other competitors on that team at that Pacific position. Right. It's going to carry over. He's already been through adversity.

He's already faced these same obstacles every time. This is just another one he's going to overcome. And I'm happy for the organization. Hell, I'm happy for Browns fans. Because finally, what you've always needed for so long is right there in your building. All they're doing is just prolonging the situation. That's all they're doing.

They don't need to prolong it anymore. They need to find a quarterback. They need to find one bad. And if you go back and look at it, they really only had two. I mean, you got to go back to autogram. Bernie Cozart. Well, autogram, I think, went to like 10 championships. But that was like before your mom and your grandma. I seen Otto Graham play.

I seen the black and white footage. He was nice now. And then you got, yeah. And then you got Bernie. Baker, Baker could have been good. Yeah. But they didn't have the pieces around Baker. You see Baker found a home in Tampa.

Cause look at what Baker had at Oklahoma. Hold on, do you forget the receivers Baker had in Cleveland? You don't remember huh? Who we have? Odell, if I'm not mistaken, right? Yes. Jarvis Landry, if I'm not mistaken, right? Yes. Jarvis Landry, if I'm not mistaken. Yep.

And was it Donovan P. Jones or am I trippin'? Am I off? Chat, chat, remind me, remind me if I'm- Remind me, man. Right, yeah. But that, hey, that's something to work with, man. But think about it, Ocho. O'Dell came off a broken leg.

O'Dell have a torn ACL. We know Odell was not the same player that he was in New York. No, he hadn't got hurt yet. He had broke his leg in the Giants. He did? He did. OK.

OK. OK. Thank you for getting me right. OK. Jarvis was a slot receiver, had great hands, durable. But that's not Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. Yo, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Mike Evans. Mike Evans in his own world.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, Godwin has gotten hurt a lot over the last several years, but the one thing you can, hey, you can set your clock by. Mike Evans is gonna get a thousand yards receiving. Mm-hmm. Mike Evans is gonna get a thousand yards receiving. Mike Cabins is gonna get a thousand yards receiving.

He went somewhere, Carolina was not a good fit for him. The Rams, we know he wasn't gonna stick there. Stafford had gotten hurt, Stafford was their guy. He was never gonna beat Stafford out. But he goes to Tampa, plays on a one year deal and boom, the rest is as they say, it's history. And he's found a home because in Oklahoma, look at the receivers they had, C.D. Lamb.

Who else was the other receiver? I think Joe Mixon was his running back. So he's used to being around talent, talent, talent, talent. Now they give him that so now he can shine, he can flourish. We're gonna find out, they're in a very, very tough division. The Steelers got better. The Ravens got better. The Bengals believe they've gotten better.

They've resigned their two offensive weapons. Joe Burrow has another year in that system. The question is, can they hold up defensively? Because they put, when Ocho, it puts a lot of pressure on your offense to have to be perfect to have to i mean they have to be perfect yeah joe joe borough can turn the ball over one time and sometimes that's enough to cause them to lose yeah one turnover it's hard to play perfect but that's what the bingles have to because their defense, they score 38, they give up

41, they score 35, they give up 38, they score 31, they give up 34. And Joe just has to like, damn, can't turn it over today because that defense ain't stopping no one. It's hard to play like that. It really is. All right, Ocho, this is the subject that you... Oh. Also, there's something mainstream media hasn't reported much on in the wake of June 23rd

gas explosion that sparked the fire at ravaged several units in the Rainbow Terrace section of Garden Valley Apartments. Shador gave back to the community. Over the course of four hours, last Wednesday evening, nearly 1,000 residents of the Garden Valley Apartments gathered for a family friendly charitable event sponsored by Shador. The festivities featured an 11 year old DJ,

line dancing, free haircuts, food truck, grill food, and complimentary t-shirts. In addition to never turning down a selfie request, Shador joined residents in corn hold, a makeshift football game, and even blowing bubble with children. Props to Shador for hitting the ground running when it comes to ingratiating himself

into the Cleveland community. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. What's the one thing you get? You get... Remember the movie Gladiator? I do. Remember what he told Maximus? Win the crowd, you win your what? Your freedom. Yep. Win the crowd and the rest will take care of itself. He's doing exactly, listen, he's doing exactly what you're supposed to do.

Embed, embed yourself in the community. Let them see as a quarterback, I'm here. I'm here. I don't think, I don't think things went the way they should have gone, but I'm here. That's gonna take him far with those on the outside of the stadium. Far, that means a lot.

When's the last time you seen a Cleveland Brown quarterback do something like that? All of them done stuff in the community, I'm sure. They all do, every team, every team has players that does, I mean, to that magnitude. Yeah. And that specific area. Normally, that's the first round pick, high draft choice,

not seventh round picks. It definitely not this time of the year. Now, maybe once the season starts, I've made the team. I do things in the community, a blood drive, a food bank, clothes to the, whatever the case may be, Christmas gift, turkeys for Thanksgiving, hams, whatever the case may be, Christmas gift, turkeys for Thanksgiving, hams, whatever the case may be, Ocho. Yeah, I get that, I've seen it.

But not like this. Yeah. But this is who he is. Yeah. This is who he is. So kudos to Shador for getting out of the community and gratiating himself and good things. Jerry Jones shows the opening training camp

by taking a shot at Michael Parsons. Ocho, let's take a listen to what Jerry had to say. Just because we signed him, doesn't mean we're going to have him. He was hurt six games last year, seriously. We've signed, I remember signing a player for the highest paid at the position in the league and he got knocked out two thirds of the year.

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committing and guaranteeing money. He just can't help himself. Dallas Cowboys fans, Dallas Cowboy players. This is your head coach. This is your, excuse me, here comes about head coach. He's the head coach. Hey, this is the man that, he is the head coach, huh? This is the man to show this is the man

This lets you know a short term how they really feel about you for sure This is all that man is doing this is how they really feel about you. There's nothing like getting Taking a dig or taking a shot at your two star players. Your two star players, oh well, I made one the highest paid, but he missed it, missed a season because of the injury. We play football, it's a contact sport. It's a barbaric sport, sometimes injuries do happen.

I remember he made another quarterback the highest paid and he never took a shot at him and he stayed injured. But that ain't none of my business. I don't even know why I brought that up, Ocho. This is who you have to go out there and play for. This is who you have to go out there and play for. I wanna know what Tony Wobble- That is how your owner thinks about you.

Yes, but we know that. See, the thing is, oh, see, I remember in 2016 when Colin Nipton, oh, but Jerry loves his players. Jerry loves people that look like you and I that can do something for him. Come on now. Don't you fool yourself.

Come on now. See, the mistake that people make, oh, Jerry, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Michael Irving could do things for him. Dez Bryant can, no, no. Michael Irving could do things for him. Des Bryant can do things for him. Emma Smith could do things for him. Charles Haley could do things for him. Nate Newton, Larry Allen.

I could go on and on and on. Stop fooling yourself. Oh, out of the kindness of your heart. Okay. Okay. Okay. I have a question. And this is for the chat, for the people in the chat as well. If you play for the Cowboys organization, how would you feel as a player?

Understanding that's how the man who runs the show and writes your checks felt about you. I already know how I felt about you. I've got my homework on me. How does that even give you the motivation even want to go out there and play for that man? Play for that man, outside of the money. That's all I'm doing.

See, he's upset at Dak because Dak has always has been post it. Dak has always, always been what it was. You're the owner, I'm the player. A lot of players get close to Jerry. Dak has never allowed that to happen. Todd France comes in, does the negotiating, hard line, boom, I'm up out of here.

Dak goes about his business. Dak ain't trying to go to his house. Dak is not trying to go out and hang out with him. Dak is Dak, Dak does what he does. Dak now has a family, boom. Strictly business. Strictly business strictly business. You see he taking a shot at Michael

because Michael wouldn't let him glaze it. Yeah, no. Oh, we it's between me and the player. You never did a deal with just the player when the player had representation, but you know what is going to cost you because you let Max Crosby get a new deal. You let Miles Garrett get a new deal.

You let T.J. White get a big new deal. And guess what? Michael Parsons is three to four years younger than all of them. Yes. So guess what he's about to do? Poll voter. Mm hmm. So whatever T.J. White got, Michael Parsons is going to get a million to two million dollars more.

And don't give me that junk. I play in Texas. Oh, well, I do. I know it ain't no state income tax. So whatever TJ White got, Michael Fars is gonna get a million to $2 billion more. And don't give me that junk, I play in Texas all well. I know it ain't no state income tax and I'm glad for that. So that 42, 43 million, Uncle Sam's gonna go get 36% of it. No state taxes. Right. And I'm understanding, obviously I wanted to text Michael,

I wanted to call him, but I was like, you know what? I'm not even gonna bother him. Just ask, how you feel? How does that make you feel? And I'm just thinking about- Like crap, that is my own thing. My own thinks about me. Now what about the time that, oh, he missed some games,

but I guarantee you there's some games that he should have missed more. Because I know Micah has some issues going on. But that ain't none of my business. I don't even know why I brought that up again. Damn, I keep telling people business. You know how many times all of us have played the game of football and went out there anyway when we were hurt?

Yeah. Had to take toward all pills, had to take toward all shot, just to find out and play for the same thing. Yeah. Zylocaine, Marcaine, yeah. Cortisone, yes. All that. Shooting up in your shoulders and in your knees. Not, well, Zala-Kane, Mark-Kane, yeah. Cortisone, yes, all that.

Shooting up in your shoulders and in your knees. Not, well, I didn't shoot my knees up. I shot my ankles up, shot my shoulders up, ribs. Did all that, Ocho, did all that. I mean, how do we not understand or just have any self-awareness where that's the kind of stuff that you say to yourself, but you never say out loud

about the players that are on your team. You don't say stuff like that out loud. Had the nerves dead in my ankles, so I couldn't feel no pain. That's what nerves do. They allow you to feel pain. They say, okay, hey bro, back off that. I had my nerves dead, had my nerves in my ankles dead.

So I couldn't feel pain. So I could go out there and play. And then to have somebody talk like that, man, please, I'd have lost it. I'd have lost it. Hey, you know what's funny is when you think about the owners, obviously it's 32 owners. I think Jerry is the only one with the cojones

to come out and say how he really feels. No one else would do that. What you saw today, nobody else would do that. No, why wouldn't it? But Jerry, but see, that's what Jerry wanted to be about him. See, Jerry don't want no superstar because you know why he want a superstar? Because he would never take a Tom Brady.

He would never, he couldn't play for a Peyton Manning. Right. Because they'd be bigger than he is and he don't want that to happen. Right. I've been very fortunate. I played for two owners, Mr. Bowlin. I did something for his family today.

Yes, sir. But Ocho, it was about us. We were the superstars. Right. He used to tell me all the time, Sharp, I ain't catching no passes. Sharp, I ain't making no tackles. Why the hell I need to be up there and talking

and carry it on? That's what I pay you guys for. I say, you play us quite well. I don't get why Jerry felt to open up training camp like this. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Everything that comes up doesn't need to come out. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Everything that comes up doesn't need to come out.

Right. But Michael. What you thinking doesn't need to be said. Every little thought, especially stuff that you know is gonna ruffle people's feathers, catch media headlines. Hell, the only thing that should be catching headlines today is Cowboys opened up training camp and George Pickens looks motherfucking good.

Excuse my language, sorry. George Pickens looked good, day one. That's it. That should be the conversation. Not what you said about that and what you said about Michael. Man, come on, man. JJ Watt took to Twitter, excuse me, X to defend him.

Anytime you can publicly take a dig at your star quarterback and your young star pass rusher simultaneously right before the season begins, you gotta just take it. Nothing makes guys want to fight for you more than hearing how upset you are that they got hurt while fighting for you. Micah reposted that. Hey. No discount for you. Micah reposted that. Hey.

No discount for you, Jerry. Wait, hold on, hold on. What if, what if, what if he didn't, excuse me. What if it even goes worse? What if Micah says, you know, that's how you feel about me? Trade me. Why don't you trade me?

Yeah. Then what? Then what? Then what? And the funny thing is, funny, I'm just finding out all about Jerry's ways because I never played for the Cowboys. And obviously when I was playing, you know, I'm blind to what's going on over there. But Unc, you don't want to introduce me and told me about the whole thing with Jimmy Johnson. Yeah. So that raised my eyebrows.

But I thought, OK, maybe that's just a one-off. Maybe they just had a disagreement, and he's not really like that. But they got into it. But it's a- He thought after three years, he thought after he hired 89 with Jimmy's first year. That's the year he took over.

He brought the, I think, Bumbright. I think that's who he brought the Cowboys from. So he took over him and Jimmy in 89 because Troy was their first draft pick. They won the championship in 92, won it again in 93, it again in 95. So in four years, so 89, 90, 91, 92. So in the fourth year,

he thought he knew more football than Jimmy. Now see, what Jimmy could do, Jimmy was coming from college at the U. So all these guys that's coming out, guess who knew him? Because he tried to recruit him at the U. Yeah. See, Jerry think because somebody handed him a piece of paper that they've done all the work for. See, Jerry's that guy that does none, no part of the project, but he gets an eight. You ain't do nothing. You just happen to own the team. You did nothing.

Jimmy, the scouts, the evaluators, they did all the work. It burned him. It burned him. That Jimmy got the credit. Everybody gave Jimmy the credit. And he wanted Jimmy to toast him. me the credit and he wanted Jimmy to toast it. That's, that's a tough spot to be in for a player. Um,

it has to be just to hear that from your own or has to be a tough spot to be in. You know, he's running it. It's supposed to be a football team. It's supposed to be an organization, but you're running it like, I'm not finna say the P word. You run it like the P word. You Ocho. You saw a Jago? Yes. You saw a Jago? Yes.

Okay. Okay. You see where I'm going? Yeah. Yes. Okay. You run it. You run it like that. You don't say, you don't, you don't say that about the players that you paying. You don't complain, oh, I made the quarterback the highest state because you fucking waited to pay him. You waited to the last minute. And you waited to the last minute, you would got Michael Parsons on the fifth year option.

You did the same thing when it came to Elliott. And he said it, and I used to say this all the time. I am not going to give you, I would give you a discount if you signed me with a couple of years left because now you giving me guaranteed money. I'm not giving you a discount if you make me get to the punctuation. The end, no bro, I gotta get maximum dollar out of you.

Max value. But see, here's the thing, Ocho. I know who Jerry is. And as long as they know who Jerry is, they should never have a problem with it. He applauds what you do, not who you are. It's transactional to him. You can provide a service, a damn good one.

He gonna pat you on the back. But if you think it's anything more than that, you're sadly mistaken. Sadly mistaken. Hey, man, that's, that's, I ain't never heard nothing like that. Now, I know a lot of them think like that. One thing they think, but they actually say it out loud. But see, Jerry's beyond reproach. Bro, listen. See, a lot of times people want to, they'll take what he says about them,

but I listened to what he says about everything else and how he handles everything else. That told me a lot. Yeah, yeah. Oh, your toes are gonna be on the line, your hands gonna be over the heart. Oh, oh, oh, doing that, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I see where we're going with this.

Yeah, yeah. I see how you think. Yeah, I mean, listen, it's unfortunate. Yeah, me too, me too. I hate to try, like I said, I know Michael Little. I like him a lot. Great personality, I know he's a representative, but I'm gonna be very, very disappointed

if y'all don't rake Jerry ass across the coals. If y'all don't get at least 42, $43 million, if y'all don't get 10 million, if y'all don't get 5 million more than what T.J. Watt got, T.J. got three years, 143 million, he got 108 guaranteed. With one year, oh, man, y'all better get you all 115 million. Guaranteed, fully guaranteed.

As a matter of fact, Jerry, since you've been nasty, I want 100 of it in signing. I want 100 of it by 115 in signing. As soon as I sign the dotted line, I'm not even shaking hands. Hey. I'm not even shaking hands. I'm happy to be a cowboy,

but I'm more happy that I get to secure my family. This is generational wealth. My family, my dad, my brother, hey, we good now. Dog, that's crazy. Dog, he really said that out loud though. Yeah. That's crazy. Well, that's what, Ocho, don't you like that? Don't you? Let me know where I stand with you. Oh, that's crazy. But that's, Ocho, don't you like that?

Don't you? Let me know where I stand with you. See, so far too many times, far too many times, I just need to know. See, that's the difference between the South and the North. And the South, you know they don't like you. They tell you. Yeah, yeah.

I don't like you, bub. As opposed to hiding. Right. Yeah, that's crazy. Jerry tell y'all what he think. Michael actually reported to training camp today despite the contract standoff. Should Michael, no, should Michael trust Jerry Jones

enough to report to camp? Yeah. I'm gonna report to camp. I'm gonna report to camp. I don't want to get no money back. I don't report to camp. I'm gonna report to camp. I don't wanna get no money back. I don't want to. Hey, because they've tried to, that's another thing, Ocho, see? See what they put in there?

Now, hey, there's no forgiveness. Though it doubles. I mean, what, it start at 15,000, 30,000? You missed 10, 15 days of practice. That's over a million dollars. That the team can't forgive. Yeah. But now that you know, you go in there,

you know, you play the game. You play the game. I'm playing for the number on the back of my jersey. I'm playing for the number, the name on the back of my jersey, if that name on the front. Cause that's what you said to me. Yeah, basically.

Basically, in not so many words. Yeah, that's crazy. So, hey, go do what you do, Micah. I hope Micah get 25 sacks. And the 40 million you gonna pay us 50 now. 50 million. Micah, hopefully you get a contract extension.

What's Micah playing? What's his 50th option? 20 what? What's Michael playing? What's his fifth year option? 21. Because he's the edge over here, DN. 24. 24, me. Michael, all you do is that you pay your monthly expenses. Don't you buy nothing. Don't you buy a car. Don't you, hey, tell your mom and dad, hey, look here, there'll be no expenses going on. I'm gonna pay my rent.

I'm gonna pay X, Y, and Z. I'm just gonna pay monthly expenses. I'm gonna sit tight because of this, you know what? Try to franchise me, I'm not coming. I'm not signing no franchise tag. I'm not signing a franchise tag. I'm not gonna do it. You think you would play with him?

Yeah. You do realize, here's the thing, Ocho, you didn't do it to me now, so you've made me run the gauntlet two years in the row. Oh no, bro, I got to hit you over the head with a heavy hammer. Yes, absolutely. If I'm Michael, yes.

The price goes up 10% every year that you don't get this done. So right now it's 42 million. You don't pay me this year, guess what? It's a 10% increase, 46 million. And plus another 10% on the guaranteed money. I don't, does he purposely, what is the method? You did it with CD Lam, you did it with Dak,

you did it with D.Q. Elliott. What's the purpose of the last minute? He's thinking they're going to give him a discount. I'm not giving you a discount when you making me run till the last year of the contract, Ocho, I'm not. See, he thought that would give him a discount like Wentz and Golf gave their team discounts. But those teams, they were first and second overall pick.

They got huge, their total contract was guaranteed. They got 35 million, they got 32 million fully guaranteed. I don't know what that, that was a fourth round pick. So I don't really know what those numbers are. Then three years into the deal, they give a new contract. That is what they did with that. So, Ocho, I've already gotten 32, 33 billion dollars a guarantee.

Plus you come to me early. Okay, I'll give you a little discount. I'll help you. I'll help the salary cap. Right, understandable. Understandable. I'm not giving you a discount when I'm that low of a draft pick my first contract.

Yes, sir. That first one, I'm trying to split your dome. Oh yes, absolutely. Now I might give you one the second one, but that's my choosing. No, you say, Oh, you know, you tell me that's, you know, football business and let football people do football things. Well, I'm gonna let y'all handle that salary cap. So my job is not to try to help y'all manage y'all salary cap. I'm trying to extract because I care just about as much as winning as you do. Jerry Jones has shown you over the last 30 years he doesn't care about winning.

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I care about what you care about. Okay, we got a special guest joining us on show. Shakur Stevenson, he just had a fight over beat Williams Zapata. Stevenson landed 295 of 565 punches thrown, 52%. Damn. Landing 96 jabs of 207 throne 46 damn did he move? He'll punch it.

He'll go punching bag. What the hell? How do you hit somebody 52% of the time of punches land you hit somebody 46% of the time of giant throne and power shot you let it you hit somebody 56% of the time of Jazz throne and power shot. You landed and you hit somebody 56% of the time with power shots. Can I, can I, can I explain it to you? Damn, you was fighting a statue, Shakur. Go ahead Ocho, take off.

I'm gonna let you have it. Hey, you muted. You can hear me? Oh, there you go. Yeah, we got you. I can hear you now. It was good, y'all. We good to thank you for joining us, Shakur. We didn't hear you now. It was good, y'all. We good, thanks for joining us, Shakur.

We didn't give you, we wanted to get, go ahead. We wanted to get you in. We gonna give you a proper introduction because, you know, but go ahead, go ahead, Ocho. I'm gonna let you take it off, take off. Now, Shakur, I was gonna say, I'm just read off the stats, and a lot of people don't really understand how good you are

offensively when it comes. Listen, your defense is often, they don't understand how good you are. How does it feel for all those that doubted saying he's always running, he doesn't stand there and fight, to show the world that you can also put on a boxing clinic, you can sit in the pocket against a pressure fighter where everybody thought because he's a boxing clinic, you can sit in the pocket against a pressure fighter where everybody thought because he's a pressure fighter, you would be running around. But what you did, you sat in the pocket, you created distance, you stayed at mid range and you put on a fucking clinic. What was your game plan going into that fight?

Honestly, man, my game plan was different than what I did on fight night. I talked with my coaches. My coaches had a certain game plan. They wanted me to outbox and move, make them frustrated with my feet. But bro, it was like, I wanted to do the unexpected. He kind of expected me to go in there and move around. They had Tom and Jerry all week. For me, it was like, shit, I want do what he think that I'm not gonna do.

So I went in there, I stood in the pocket, I put on a perfect display of boxing, and also, a lot of people, yeah, they doubt it, but like, it felt regular for me. Like, it's nothing new, it's nothing different, because I already knew what I was built with. You can't, you see me work before you know who I am, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. it wasn't nothing new for me.

Like it was very much regular. When it comes to different fighters, obviously fighting someone, fighting a pressure fighter, fighting a fighter that's a counter puncher, how much goes into game planning for that individual fighter and how, I don't want to say it the right way. Knowing that he's going to apply pressure the whole time, most of the time, that's the

way he fights. He fights everybody the same way. What went into your game plan where your coach is saying they want to use your feet, but you chose, you know what? Forget what y'all talk about. I'm finished sitting in the pocket and it's not going to be a banging match. I'm going to just, I'm going gonna make sure my defense is my offense and obviously statistically the punch you hit 996 jab 52% of punches landed you had pop

I mean just everything effing worked and at what point did you realize he was frustrated because his game plan wasn't working even though he Tried to adjust I know he was frustrated in like the sixth round. Yes. When I see him kind of start thinking and he kind of like settled down a little bit. He wasn't like as aggressive as he was in the first half of the fight. So I kind of like I had a good game plan. My coaches, they had a great game plan. But for me, my brain just working in a different way.

I know I'm the one that's in that fighting. So I'm gonna be thinking on the spot. But he was a tough fighter. He kind of pushed me. I've been telling everybody the whole week, I said, this guy's going to bring out the best in me. This guy that y'all think that I can't sit in the pocket. Y'all think that I can't fight. So this is a guy that I'm gonna show all of these different tools and things. And we came in and we did what we had to do. Is that the first time that you've kind of gone away from what the game plan was? Kind of probably what you practice in training camp? Because like you said, it was going to be Tom and Jerry.

You're going to, you know, out box him. Use your speed. Use use all your movement. And you said, you know what? No, I'm going to sit here because that was a knock on you Shakur. Man, he ain't fighting nobody. I mean, not only does he not fight anybody, he ducking. He ain't sitting in the pocket. He ain't throwing no leather.

He running around, got everybody chasing him. He picking them off like that. You said to hell with that. Let me show you what I can do. Yeah, yeah, you know, like I said, I've been through that. I've been through that, but that wasn't my first time going with my instincts. I think my instincts kind of take over a lot come fight night.

So I kind of watched this dude over and over and over. I seen a lot of weaknesses. I also knew that me chilling on the ropes wasn't as bad as what everybody made it seem to be like. Yeah. Especially the damn commentators. Yeah, yeah. Especially the damn commentators. Yeah, yeah. But in a sport, you're not supposed to do that.

You're not supposed to be sitting on the ropes. It's a bad thing to do. But somebody like me, I kind of open guys up. They feel more comfortable to open up when they get me to the ropes. So... Basically to me, every time you sat on the ropes, you go in the Philly shell, and then all you're doing is you're baiting him in the throwing punches. And you know, if he throws six,

I can roll and block five and count in between. And it worked every single time where at some point, Tepeda, okay, you have to make adjustments. Make adjustments because he's sitting on the rope for a reason and bet you to throw. And as soon as he throw, you roll one way, roll the other, slip a jab in. Yeah. But also if you watched the second half of the fight, my adjustment was to get off the ropes.

Right. And stay in the center of the ring. I kind of took control of the ropes. Right. And stay in the middle of the, stay in the center of the ring. I kind of took control of the fight. Yeah. In the middle of the ring because I knew, I don't know what these judges is scoring. So I know he kind of, I know I'm ahead,

but I still want to make sure I leave my mark and make sure I don't leave no room for the judges to rob me. So I kind of made that adjustment in the second half of the fight. Yeah. Shacor, you started off at the featherweight, now you're a lightweight. And you're in that lightweight division, the 135. You look at the greats that's been in that division, the Roberto DeRance, Sweet P. Whitaker, Chavez, Henry Armstrong, Benny Leonard, the ghetto kid.

Where are you now? Are you like, I'm gonna stay here for a minute or are you gonna go to super light weight at 140? Now I'm a natural lightweight. A lot of guys don't even realize. I walk around close to my fight weight. Like how they talk about guys like Floyd. Yeah, yes, yes.

He walked around close to his fight weight, so. Three pounds, four pounds, either way. I don't see myself getting no bigger to fight at 140 pounds. Them guys is a lot bigger than me. So if I do it, it just be, okay, I done did everything at 135 pounds. I conquered the division, and now it's time to move up. So I'm comfortable here. I want to be one of the best lightweights of all time

My last fight was the kind of the beginning of that. Yeah, most definitely Speaking of what? Okay, I'm gonna say speaking of what you want to be a comp I mean be known for and that last fight be an indication that you're well on your way, but what's next? that last fight being an indication that you're well on your way, but what's next? Who's next? If you had three fights lined up in no particular order, where you can continue to feel that dream and legacy

of being one of the best lightweights at 135 ever, who are the next three that you would like to fight? And I'm not saying call anybody out, I'm just saying in general that you know that will continue to help build that legacy you're trying to build. Call the answer out Shakur. No, don't do it.

No, don't do it. I'll take Tank, Lamont, lightweight, lightweight. I like Andy Crews. I like Andy Crews. I'm a competitor. So I like the best fights and the best, most competitive fights. So I think them guys is more so the three most competitive guys for me. I think tank is the money fight

I think that's the you know, not only will that that help submit your legacy at the lightweight division I think that's the fight your court that's gonna pay you the most money For sure. You know, he's a guy that everybody been talking about for a long time. So I can't wait. He has knockout power. It's going to be his power versus your skill. You know what's crazy about that? What? This is no cap. No cap. You know a lot of guys they like, oh, he did that against the payday because the payday is not a big puncher. I would rather fight a power puncher any day than fight that kind of body.

Tell us why. Because after the fight, my body was done. Like I done been in there with power punchers to where it's like, you know, you got to think and get out the way and don't let them land that big shot. But when you're fighting a volume puncher, he's punching on your arms, your body. It's just very much like a fight, a big ass fight to where it's like, after the fight,

you need massages. You need to go, uh, like it's a big fight. So I would rather fight them guys any day. Yeah. It's a big fight, so I would rather fight them guys any day. Yeah. It's so funny. I like the name that you did call out about fighting. I think Tank is the money fight, but the fight that would interest me the most based on skill set, you know, styles make fights.

The one I think would be the best chess match, you know, from round to round and both of you, you know, it would be Brother Roach. Brother, Brother Roach. I think to me, for those of us that are not casual boxing fans and actually enjoy the sweet science, I would love to watch that, a fight which you and Roach develop round by round and just, just, just a thinking game and a chess match that it would be based on y'all skill sets. But- I would love that fight too. I think that's one of the fights to make.

I think that Lamont is very underrated. I'm glad that he's coming it out about his skill set because a lot of people don't realize how good he really is. You know, I appreciate Lamont too. He's one of the guys who came and helped me in one of my biggest fights of my career. When I feel Oscar Valdez,

I made Lamont Roach my main sparring partner and he kind of got me ready for that fight. So, you know, I'm real cool with him. I would love to fight him though. I would love to fight him. You know, a lot of people think that Lamont actually beat Tank in that fight. What do you think?

I do, I think Lamont won. I think Lamont won seven, five, eight, four, even without the- without the knockdown. Yeah, without the knockdown that should have been called. Shakur, when you look and you look, you're in that division of 135. And as I mentioned, there've been some great 130 fighters, Roberto De Rance, Wepe Whitaker,

they like in Henry Armstrong, and there've been some great. So did you study any of those? Shavez Sr. Do you study any of those guys? Do you understand like when you say I want to be one of the all-time greats and those guys had 90, 100 fights you're probably not going to get to 100 fights you're probably hoping to get to like 40 but do you understand that when you say I want to be an all-time great in this division, some of the all time greats that have been in that division? Yeah, it's very hard. It's a very hard thing to do.

You gotta pay homage to the great Roberto Duran or the great Penel Sweet Pea Whitaker. Sweet Pea. Chavez. Even Floyd, when he had his 135 run, it was a hell of a 135 run. So I paid him. Floyd was foreboding people though at that weight. Even Floyd when he had his 135 run, it was a hell of a 135 run. So I paid him.

Floyd was foreboding people though at that weight. People don't realize, Ford had knockout power at the lighter weight. At 135, 140, go look at him against Gotti. Go look at him at some of those guys. He was, what? For sure, I just feel like, man, I'm a competitor, bro. So it's like, I appreciate them guys. I pay homage to them guys, but I'm not going away anytime soon.

In that weight class, I'm going to be here and people got to come through me. So now you got all these young fighters, all these new fighters that's coming around. I'm the man in the division, bro, and you're not taking nothing from me, bro. I've been here for too long. I've been doing this since five the division, bro. And like, you're not taking nothing from me, bro. I've been here for too long. I've been doing this since five years old, bro. I'm going to be the man and I'm coming to get my spot. I like it. Hey, not as good as you got from a skill set standpoint,

obviously being able to fight in the pocket, being able to fight mid-range, obviously being at distance, that's pretty easy for you to be able to hit somebody at will. How do you continue to improve on your skill set? And are there any boxes that you watch right now that you enjoy and kind of steal stuff from them and add it to your game? Or are you too far into the game to do that? Well, no, you is never too far in the game to evolve and learn, bro. You always got to be able to learn. But what you just said is how you kind of get better. You got guys out here that's also evolving the game

and getting better. Guys like Ustik and Bevol. I'm sitting back and I'm watching these guys and trying to steal the little shit that they doing. So I think that's how you get better. You just got to keep watching and learning from people. Also keep watching and learning from other people. Also keep watching yourself. I think studying yourself is one of the underrated things when it comes to the

sport of boxing. I think that's what got my highest level studying where I went wrong. Going back to watch my sparring and watch my fight. When I watch my fight, I see a hundred things that I did wrong, even though the public felt like I did good. But for me, I saw a hundred different things that I can't wait to get back in the gym and work on. So that's my main goal and I'm going to keep evolving.

Shacour, do you think that as you start to get a little older, you start to get a little more old man weight, you train a little harder, and you say I walk around at probably 138, and then you go to the 140s, because do you feel you might have to move up in weight to get that bigger payday? I know Turkey Alashik and Dana White is doing a great job.

They're trying to, you know, hey, we want the big fights. We don't want nobody ducking nobody. You got a belt, he got a belt. Get in there and you take his belt Or he take your belt. Do you feel you might have to move up? Once you fight a tank or you fight a Lamont. Do you feel you might have to move up to get these even bigger paydays? I will move up in certain guys Like I'm not fighting guys as you super bigger than me

But like if it's a guy like Tia Fimo who's closer to the 140 weight class in the size range, I would fight these guys. I don't fight the guys on that 140. I'm just not getting in the ring with people that's way bigger than me, where it's like, it don't matter. They might weigh 140 at the top of weigh in, but they're 155, 160 at the night of the fight, huh? A lot of these guys, that's exactly what they do.

They want to be 165, come fight night, and I don't know what natural, how come it's like, that shit just don't make sense. Yeah. It doesn't, and when you look at it, like you said about Floyd, I believe in a lot of, not to take it, and Floyd had a supreme skill level, but Floyd fought at 147 for the large part of his career,

then he ended up going up to 154 to take Oscar's belt. But Floyd walked around at 150, 151. So it wasn't nothing for him to like run a couple of miles in two weeks and Floyd's at 147. He wasn't a big man. He wasn't 165, 170, trying to drop down to 147, taxing himself. Because he was such a smaller man, he lost nothing.

Yeah. You know what I respect about him though? When he fought them guys, he didn't put no rehydration clauses on them. He kind of allowed guys to feel comfortable enough to fight him at whatever weight class. Like we watched Canelo versus Floyd. Canelo was way bigger than Floyd.

Yeah. But at the end of the day, skills do pay the bills. So I respect Floyd for a lot of shit that he did that was for the boxing. The funny thing about it, especially when you talk about the rehydration clause, and Floyd understood that, okay, I'm not gonna put one in for Canelo,

but I understand I'm gonna be able to outbox him. Allow him, you know, rehydrate. Yeah. Put that water way back on, because you're going to be that much slower, which is why he was able to counter and hit Canelo at will. Obviously, people like to say, oh, he wasn't as polished.

He isn't the same Canelo he is now. And listen, if they were able to fight later on, like, okay, no disrespect, fight now, it would be the same thing. Skill is skill. And listen, if they were to fight later on, like, okay, no disrespect, fight now, it would be the same thing. Skill is skill. Before he fight, but no, he's so much bigger. He fighting at 168.

He might be too big right now. Yeah, but see, here's the thing, Ocho. If he fight at 168, he taking his ass in the ring at 185, 190. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm just saying from a skill standpoint. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I understand you coming behind it.

And the fact that I just mentioned Canelo, I want to know what you think about our brother Bud Crawford and Canelo, that fight happening in September. What you think about that? Well, the bad motherfucker, man. I think it's going to be hard for anybody to beat Bud Crawford when Bud Crawford is focused on his job.

I think he's one of the greatest fighters that I have ever witnessed in my life. I've seen him in the gym. I've seen him come fight night. This dude is just different. He's not a normal boxer. He not. Bud a dog for real. Bud got a couple screws loose.

Yeah for sure, I done seen his screws definitely get loose and he make him f***ing. Yeah. F***ing with these buddies. Hey, Ocho you see the interview man, Bud, and I said, hey, hey. I said, man, look here, man, I mess around and mess your shoulders up, people gonna be mad at me.

Talk about I messed the Codunillo bud Crawford fight up bad Leave me alone Shako I had it cuz he think he teach about him and I rushed it And so I got him cuz you know, hey, I can't let that man have no just to have me looked up like a Tommy Hearns had Martin I rushed to be closed the distance, old chump. Yeah. Oh man, that's funny.

That's funny. So what's next for you, Shakur? What's next? You gonna take, you know, couple of, you got another fight before the end of the year out? Nah, I'm gonna take some time off. You know, with that fight, a lot of people don't know this, but I wanted that fight to be under the butt

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year and allow my hands to recover and rest up. I like it. Let me ask you this. Give me your top five boxers of all time. It doesn't matter weight class. I mean, if you want to be specific to class Lightweight super lightweight welter, you know middle super middle, whatever you want junior middle weight, you know Well, you know, whatever give me your top five boxers

number one me Okay number two floyd Okay number three Parnell Okay Number two, Floyd. Okay. Number three, Parnell. Okay. Sweet pea. Four, Andre Ward.

Okay. Number five, Bud Crawford. I like it. The first three, you like defensive fighters, huh? Yeah. Yeah, for sure, that's the goal, you know? You gotta last in this. Hit and not get hit.

You gotta last in this, Floyd. you know, guys going to the hospital and they got brain damage after the fight and they talking for years to come. So I like the guys that's not talking funny. I like the guys that can speak properly to you guys, talk to you guys regularly. So hey, hey, speaking of the speakers, I'm glad Andre Ward is in your top five, right? You know, I've been trying to fight Dre for a little minute. You know, you think you think you can make that happen, a speed up the expedite the process of us getting in the ring?

Yeah, I could definitely make that happen, but I don't know if you want to do that. I do. That's what you want to do, man. I do. Hey, hey, hey, Shakur, you my dog, right? I didn't been in the gym with you. You my dog, too. That's why I'm trying. I know. Listen, I know what you could do, That's why I'm trying to- I know, listen, I know what you could do and I've been watching you for a very long time. And honestly, no disrespect.

I love Andre, but I beat his ass. Man, come on. You know that's Andre Ward, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know, I know, I know who it is. That man beat you right now, Ocho. He ain't been in the gym. He probably ain't been in the gym in years.

He tear your ass up right now. I just farted like last, what? Like a couple months ago, I just farted. Let him know, I'm ready, man. Whatever you want to do. Hey, we can go four rounds, six rounds. I mean, whatever you want to do. I make it light on yourself, because I'm in shape.

Well, I hope you're using 16 ounce gloves. Yeah, because they're for the best. We can use 20s. It don't matter. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, you need can use 20s, it don't matter. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, you need some pillows cause he gonna lump your ass up with them 10 ounce gloves. And listen, I got DPS like Shakur, you trippin' man.

I'm shoulder rolling everything. Hey, Shakur, hey, get them training gloves. Get them winning training gloves in 16, 20 ounces. Cause anything in 10 ounces, man, let me tear your ass up. Yeah. With some Everlast or some Red gloves, grant. Cause anything up in 10 ounces man, let me tear your ass up With some everlades or some red gloves grant. Oh man you done He put your lot harder than you think man. Oh, yeah, I know I know I already know I didn't listen I didn't seen you spar before we had to fight. Um, I forgot who was I went to one of the sparring sessions I know I you know, I didn't know I didn't better. I didn't better look at this one here, man

Don't worry about it. Hey, oh Joe you keep talking didn't been around. Look at this one here, man. Don't worry about it. Hey, Ocho, you keep talking, then me and you might have to do this. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? I don't wanna have to do my partner like this, but you know what I'm saying? I might have to do something bad to it.

Listen, if you don't send me my awards, I'm gonna have to put in here, and I don't wanna hurt you. I don't wanna hurt you. I ain't gonna lie, I got Chad vs. you, man. Hey, hey, hey. I got Chad vs. you, man. Ocho, I told Ocho, I told Ocho,

he don't give me my, he don't send me my 5200. I thought, I only owe you 50, I thought it only fits 200 now. No, you owe me 5900. I'ma see your money when you send me my awards. Nah, nah, nah. But I tell you what, I'ma beat your money when you send me my awards. Nah, nah, nah. I tell you what, I'm gonna beat it at you. I'm gonna beat it at you.

You won't give me my money. I'm gonna do you like Stuart did Brian. Where's my money? Where it's from? I seen those. What's them? That's the club Shay- Shea Everlast. I'm the blood of blood wearing. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly

exactly. Yes. Bud wear Everlast. For sure. Yeah but you don't have blood. What what type of what type of gloves you wear uh uh Shakur? I wear rifle. You wear who? Rifle. Rifle? Yeah, rifle. I ain't Yeah, Rival. I ain't never heard of them. Does anybody wear Reyes anymore? I just seen somebody in Reyes. I think it was Pacquiao maybe.

Pacquiao may have worn them his last fight. Yeah, cause I think, you know, I think, you know, obviously Everlast, Grant, winning, Reyes and you mentioned Rival, I've never heard of that, I've never heard of those gloves before. But Ocho, these eight ounces, these right here cut. It don't matter. Listen, they cut for an object that's not moving.

It's different when there's an object in front of you that's moving. Thanks. Oh man. Yeah, you there, Ocho? Hey. King. Hey, you know what? I'm gonna stick that jab out there.

I'm gonna do you just how, I'm gonna do you how Tommy Herring did Martin. I tell you what, Ocho, I box you for the gloves. If you beat me, you get my gloves. I don't want them gloves. I want them gloves. I want my gloves. I want my gloves. I want my gloves.

I just want my awards. So you gotta, hey, you gotta snap that thing out there like, see, some people use that jab as a finder. They ain't trying to do no damage. They just trying to see, okay, how far did I can throw this right? But see, I'm trying to snap that thing, bam! Like Lennox Lewis. No, Lennox Lewis had a nice jab.

Larry Holmes had a tremendous jab. Larry Holmes. What? I want to see your jab, though. Let me see your jab. Oh, you want to see? Hey. Throwing that jab, huh?

Quit with that thing. I quit with that thing, Shakur. Are you? Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey think now. Oh no, they fast. Ah, da da da da da da da da da da. See, this is the funny thing. If everybody wanna go back to when I fought my young bull, Brian Maxwell, in the ring, that's different. Now you gotta understand, I done been in the ring now five years after that. So I look nothing like that now. But here's the thing, hey Shakur,

you can take K-U- tell, hey, sparring is different than actually fighting. Yeah. And you got to fight. It's just like track and field. You can practice all you want to, but you got to get races under your belt. You got to get in rings, you got to get rounds, and ting! Not all that speed bag and all that myths and stuff.

Nah, you ain't did that. I know one thing. What? I got two people on my hit list. Ooh, OJ's Harrison. James Harrison, I'ma beat his ass. Andre Warf and to get his work. And anybody else that won't smoke after that.

Matter of fact, Shakur, you can get it too. Yo. Damn, Shakur. Yo, I ain't gonna lie. I already told you this last time I saw you. Don't do it to yourself, bro. Do it to him. Don't do it to lie. I already told you this last time I saw you. Don't do it to yourself, bro. Do it to it. Don't do it to yourself. I'm telling you. Get my 5900 out of it. I'm telling you, this thing. Hey, whenever you want to get back in the gym, let me know. How many rounds you gonna give me? I can't go past eight. I can give you a strong eight.

Four minutes. Four minutes round, 30 second rest. I'm betting you ain't making the eight rounds. I bet he ain't either. I'm betting whatever. Eight four minute rounds with 30 second rest. You ain't got that kind of cardio bro. Now there ain't no 46, 47. That's how I've been training the past four years.

How you gonna tell me what I'm gonna do? You ain't going out with boots. With boots. Hold on. I took my affiliate with boots. That's what we had to do. That's what go. No, with boots. Hold on. I'm talking about affiliate with boots. That's what we had to do. That's what Bozy had me doing. You just bar him eight full minute rounds.

No, I only got four win. I only did four. Exactly. That's why I'm trying to tell you this today. Ain't no way you gonna eight with me. I'm telling you. Get it. Get my $5,900 out of his ass too,

Shacu while you at it. You think shit's sweet, huh? I know you can't go ape with me, bro. That shit different, bro. Hey, and don't hit him in his face, because I need his eyes. I need him to be able to read the prompter. But just tear his body up.

I'm going to tell you, I'm not going to hit him in the face. I'm going to stretch his body. Oh, that's what I do, make him pee on himself. I'm going gonna hit him in the face. I'm gonna straight to his butt. That what I do, make him pee on himself. I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be, I'm ready for all that, man. Hey. You go to the sides, I'm going right to the sides. I'm telling you. That's what I want, that's what I like to see.

That's what I like to see, Shacool, that's what I'm talking about. Ultra gonna have all the pins on under his trunks. Hey. Hey. Hey. Oh man. Hey, well, hey, but all jokes aside, man, you put on an effing boxing clinic, man. Yeah, that was amazing. I want to tell you, congratulations on that, man.

It's shutting up all these doubters and all of the haters. Now they're gonna find something else to come up with. They're gonna find something else to come up with and you're probably gonna answer those questions too, man. I just wanna tell you congratulations on one hell of a goddamn fight in career so far. I appreciate y'all, I appreciate y'all, man. Man, Shakur, thanks for your time, man.

Congratulations, enjoy the rest of the year off. Hey, we'll see you early, I guess early in 2026 and come back and join us when you got some time, bro. Appreciate you. I appreciate you too. All right, bro. Have a good one Ocho leave people alone man. Damn Oh, no, hey You got to make sure people on they don't know on they peas and cues. You just never know you never know

So sometimes this is what you got to do now. We have guests on the show, right? Yes You gotta you gotta check the guest temperature. Sometimes you got to check the guest temperature to see where they at. So if you look in Shakur's eyes, you can see he was a little scared, he was a little nervous. Cause he know, he know, he know,

hey, now you know I trained with Shakur for about a week. No, so we've been together in the ring and he got an opportunity to see, well, God damn, that boy feet nice. And then my defense was like that. We were shadow boxing. I was like, so he got a good understanding, but yeah. I'm ready for the decode.

The thing is, people don't, like I said, people that's in their profession, that's really good at it, you got to see them in their profession. You got to see them in their habitat. You got to see it up close. Then you'll get appreciation. Hey, you got to see them in their profession, you got to see them in their habitat. Then you'll get appreciation. Hey, you got to see it up close. I watched him and Bud, I had to do something with ESPN, right? And they were training at the UFC gym in Vegas. That goddamn Bud, man.

Let me take the last one. Shakur was doing maybe six rounds with somebody. He was getting ready for a fight. It was a chess match. It was a chess match. And you could just see the artwork of the sweet science unfold right before you, if you understand what you're watching. It's not just throwing punches. No. It's not just throwing punches. You know, it was beautiful.

It was beautiful to watch, man. It just, you don't have an appreciation for it until you see it up close. It's one thing to watch boxing on TV. It's one thing to watch it when you go to a fight. But to see it when they're in training and to see the formula in which they worked on unfold in real time in the ring. but to see it when they're in training and to see the formula in which they worked on unfold in real time in the ring. But you could actually see them, Ocho,

without seeing them, you can see them thinking. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what's the major part. You actually see a guy thinking. And he know, well, I threw this. The only thing he can come back with is that. Bam, I catch it. Yeah.

Oh, he'll come here. Oh, there. I was like, damn, bro catch it. Oh, he will come here. Oh, there. I was like, damn bro, you. Hey, so. And you know what's so funny too, Unc? Is when it comes to boxers that are thinkers and they set traps. Oh yeah.

They set a trap in round one. They'll set a trap in round two. It won't try to execute what they was trapping until round seven and eight. They know what this okay. I know we're gonna throw that. Oh when it's coming if I faint I know we're gonna do. It's just a chess match.

That's why I said I think to me the most exciting fight for those that are not just casual boxers that love and enjoy the sweet science would be Lamar Roach and Shakur Stevenson. Yeah. Because the thousand in which they fight thought that would be beautiful. Man, I was watching an old thing of Floyd and Karellis and how he was, Floyd kept, you know, he was with the jab.

With the jab. With the jab. Three in a row. Three in a row. And then he thought he fainted with the jab and caught it with a check hook. With the jams. Three in a row. Three in a row. And then he thought he fainted with the jab and caught it with a check hook. Bap! Yeah, goddamn Diego, man.

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