Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Joe Burrow wanting Hendrickson to get paid & Terry McLaurin contract talks!

Episode Date: June 11, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Joe Burrow saying that he wants Trey Hendrickson to get paid, Cincinnati Bengals rookie Shemar Stewart rookie contract issues, and Aaron Rodgers talks about mentoring Will Howard and much more!01:47 - Introduction03:00 - Joe Burrow wants Hendrickson to get paid18:00 - Bengals rookie Shemar Stewart26:38 - Aaron Rodgers on mentoring Will Howard30:51 - Miles Garrett on Aaron Rodgers31:49 - J.Alexander42:00 - Terry McLaurin49:00 - Colts’ Reggie Wayne possible interim head coach53:14 - Anthony Richardson gets second opinion on shoulder56:46 - Dan Campbell wants to have live lion on sideline1:01:15 - Marvin Harrison Jr in the gym(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Supplies are limited and once they're gone, they're gone. So please grab yours while supplies last. Oh Joe, there's saga, there's drama in Cincinnati. Joe Burrow says he wants the team to pay star pass rusher, Trey Hendrickson. He says the team not paying Hendrickson is a significant distraction. Let's take a listen to what Joe had to say.

Tomorrow and T having agreed to deals. Is Trey not being here, his deal not done? Is that a distraction? Of course, Of course. Um, last year we had two this year we have one, so we do have less. You'd love to have none, but you know, that's life in the NFL. Uh, we're all supporting Trey and we'd love for him to be back. Oh Joe.

Yes, sir. What's your take? Well, listen, listen, I love Joe. Uh, Joe also has to understand this is business. This is business and the Browns have one way of doing things. They've done things one way. And despite what he may say, despite his concerns about wanting trade to be paid or him or it being a distraction with him not getting paid,

this is the way they conduct business. All teams conduct business in the same manner. They're not going to be swayed or forced or bullied into paying the individual based on how we as players, whether you're playing the redeformer or fans see fit. They're going to do things their way. They paid Joe Burrow, they paid Jamar Chase, they paid T. Higgins. I don't know. I don't have the numbers in front of me. I don't know how much is left in calories, salary cap space. But-

Not enough to pay Trey what he wants. Not enough to pay him what he wants, but I'm assuming maybe they're trying to find some middle ground, but from what I've heard, there are no talks going on at all. So obviously Trey is standing his ground and he's not in a position, despite being the sack leader last year and the sack leader the year before that. Like he was a sack leader, but what was our defense rank? Can someone look at that? Can Ash look that up right now? I mean, this is really quick.

Just curious, what was that? Did someone look at, can Ash look that up right now? I mean, this was really quick. Just curious, what was that? Without Trey, you'd have been 17th in college. So you had Trey, so you at the bottom at the NFL. Okay, so they look at all that. They look at all that. Listen, I want him to get paid.

I want him to get paid for based on what he's done, you know, to date, but they look at it completely different than the way we look at it as fans. And obviously me, listen, I love my bangles and I love, I would love for Trey to get paid, but, uh, it's, it's a tough spot that, that we're in. Um, I'm not sure what's going to happen. I think at some point, if things don't get worked out, I'm assuming maybe a

trade of some sort might happen, uh, at the least opportune time when we least expect it. I look at it like this, Ocho, um, considering he's the best defensive player. And when you look at that defensive line, who else? Most teams have two guys. Yes. Yes. Uh, you know, you have Micah and then you have another guy or you look at, let's

just say for the sake of argument, you look at the Eagles, they have multiple guys. You look at, uh, Kansas city, they have, City, they have Chris Jones and have Caloftas. They have multiple guys. Most teams, although they're not on the same level, but they have, you look at a Hossmith and you look at a Watt. So most guys have somebody to play off of. It's him. He led the league in Sackler, really no one else beside him.

You know, and brother Sam Hubbard just retired, huh? Yes. Sam Hubbard just retired. And remember, he was hurt most of the year, Ocho. Yeah, he was hurt. And also, when I think about it, I look at the AFC North, right? From an all-schools standpoint, and needing defensive players. It's bad enough, we were already bad on defense. Let's not make it worse. Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore, Houston.

I mean, my goodness, like we need Trey in the, in the, in the dearest, dearest way possible to try to do what we can defensively so we can, we can, we can start a little better this season. You know, I know we always talk about the offense, you know, they always start slow, always out of the gate, you know, being 0 and 2 or 1-1 or whatever. You gotta stop somebody though. Yeah, we gotta be able to stop. See, that problem is okay, you say, what a deal. I'm saying, but here's the thing. They have one bad, two bad possessions. Their defense can't stop anybody. Now all of a sudden, you're 14 points down. Hey. You gotta lead, okay? Let's just say for the sake

of our but you have a lead. And we saw this against Baltimore. They have two bad possessions. Now Baltimore has the lead. Has the lead. Yeah. So how far away are we from having a decent defense? Just curious. From your, listen, you know, this is, this is, ooh. Fierce. Y'all just cut Pratt. Remember y'all released Pratt. Yeah. So wait, hold on. Pratt was the middle back, but it was the mic.

Linebacker, yeah, he led your team in tackles. Yeah, he did. So Logan Wilson plays, I mean, what's- They drafted somebody in the second round out of South Carolina, I was reading yesterday at night. They must, he must gonna be- And they seem really high on him, yeah. He gonna plug and play then, huh?

Yeah, and remember Pratt was like, hey, he wanted a contract extension. He wanted to be, you know, want to bump and pay. Yeah. They're like, nah, bro, we can't bump you and pay. Um, I was reading, not, I don't know, you know, maybe somebody just throwing out numbers. I think Trey's supposed to make what? 15, 16, 17 million.

15, 17, yeah. They're trying to get him to 28. I don't think he's looking at listening to anything that doesn't start with a three. Now I'm not, now I honestly, because you see, you see, he's like, hold on, one guy making 55, another guy making 40, another guy making 30, and then y'all want me to come in at 28.

And you see Miles Garrett, he knows Michael is about to get something that starts with a four. But y'all want me to start with a two? Yeah. I just don't see that. Now let's be fair. If he wants to get what he wants, he's not going to be able to get it because everything you just ran off, we just paid $140, $130 and making $55. Then there's no room for you to make, do you take a discount?

Do you take a discount or no? The question is, better question, does he miss the first eight games and then come back the last eight games to make sure he gets a credited season? Or does, cause that's what I would do. Because if you don't come back, they still have your rights. So I would, you know, it never depends on how serious he is about his money. Oh, he's serious. He's serious. And this is the thing that you can do when they know you love the game, Mon do. When they know you love the game, Monk. When they know you love the game and they know you can't stay away from the game. They always want you to be team first, team that, teamness and team oriented and be the...

But when it comes time to play, this is what happens. Now, let's talk about the Bengals in general. I'm talking about in general. They will use your love for the game against you because the business side of things will sneak up on you and bite your ass. Yeah. I'm trying to think of a guy that, uh, Sean Gilbert might be the only guy that I could remember that missed the whole season.

And then he ended up turning around and getting paid. Uh, I think he went to Carolina. I think he's with Washington and he ended up going to Carolina. It might be vice versa, but that's what I, I mean, I think the's with Washington and he ended up going to Carolina. It might be vice-versa But that's what I mean I think the thing is to say what I would do is easy to say what because you're not in that situation me I ain't missing no time. I understood that That was time. I wasn't gonna be able to get back and like you said Ocho I think the thing is they they know the guys that really everybody don't love the game like we do now. Yeah

No, it's different So they are they go hard time us. Well, this is all we got knowing damn well We we might miss a game, but we miss it though half of those seasons no entire season Listen cause we love it too much. Listen, the funny thing about it is I love the game But I think during my time I was in fortunate situations I think what they came to me early, twice. Right. Came to me early where I didn't have to deal with that type of situation. Mm-hmm.

It just, to me, it's almost a slap in the face a little bit. When you think about it. Yeah. Almost a slap in the face. And we take it personally as players, and I know they do. When situations like this arise, when you understand what your value is, you understand what the market is, and then you have a team that's hesitant and giving you said market value.

Also, don't make it hard. Listen, one thing about it, I don't care how many, how many players you got, got paid, there's always a way to make it happen depending on who the players. You do understand that, right? Yes. But what I don't get from the Bengals, Ocho, if you had this problem last year and you didn't resolve it during the season or after the season,

what makes you think the problem is going to go away? It's like if you have a disease and don't talk about it. Well, just because you don't talk about it, you better go get it, you better treat it. Yeah. Because talking about it, because better go get it. You better treat it. Yeah. Because talking about it, but because not talking about a problem, like, it's like two people argue, you know, Joe, and you go to bed. That issue is not going to be resolved in the

morning, because you didn't talk about it that night. As a matter of fact, you're going to give people an opportunity to build up. They like, this mofo playing with me. They couldn't address me. They know. So you lay it over there steaming. She laid over there steaming. You know, you get out of bed in the morning, you step it on lips. Cause I live poked out to the floor. His lips poked out to the floor. So I don't understand how the Bengals thought this situation.

And he had another 17 and a half sex season and he led the NFL in sacks. And somehow you thought he would go by the, well, we got a good chance to go. You had a good chance to go to the Super Bowl last year or the playoffs last year, and it didn't happen. Guys or not, you know, teams always want you to think, oh, think big picture. No, the big picture is me and my family. And that's the big picture I'm thinking about.

I don't know what picture y'all painting. Because Ocho, what they tell you, Ocho, when they release players, you hear, and I think we're gonna talk about this a little later, Jahir and Gudekif saying what he's saying. They're always thinking about what is it the best interest of the team? Okay, what is the best interest of the business?

Okay, players are businesses. What is in the best interest of the business? Okay, players are businesses. Yes. What is in the best interest of Trey Hendrickson? Mm-hmm. Not playing is in the best interest of Trey Hendrickson. Be at all honest, now I'm not telling the guy what he should or what he shouldn't do. Yeah.

But this is what we do know. He take his ass out there on that field and he get anything that happens. Lord forbid it does not. Yes, sir. He ain't getting no payday. You know that, I know that. Yes, sir.

Yeah, listen, I think it's tough. We're in a tough spot. The Bengals organization is in a tough spot. Trey Henderson is in a tough spot. Joe Burrow saying that it's a distraction to those that are in the organization, those that are on the team, those that are at mini camp right now. I think for the fans, it's a distraction and it's just like overwhelming. And they're like, God damn, here we go again. But again, fans as players, you have to be able to separate the, the personal side of being a football player in the business side. I think if you can, you can compartmentalize and be able to separate the two and understand that it is business first.

It's not personal. It's nothing against you as a player, but this is the way they conduct themselves, not just with the Bengals, but with every team in general, I think you'll be all right. I want Trey to get his money though. You know, even if it's not with us, I would love to see him back with the Bengals, but I would also love to see him get what he deserves somewhere else. Because I think the thing is, Ocho, what happens is that Joe would like to talk about what a great day of practice they had.

But the media is asking him about trades contract. They're asking him about the rookies contract, who we're going to talk about in just a second. So he's like, bro, I'm trying to say, Hey, T and I had a great comment, had a great work today. We got some great work to done today. We got better today, but you're asking me about a player that's not here. I don't know what you want me to say.

Joe is being the leader that he is. Yeah, we love to have Trey. And I think he's done enough to, he's earned, not deserved, he's earned a raise and pay. Because guess what? Let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, instead of having 17 and a half sacks, he had five and a half sacks.

Do you think they would keep him on the contract that he has now? Absolutely not. I answered it for you. No, they wouldn't. So now he outperforms the contract. You don't want to reward him, but if he underperformed, you will punish him.

Yes. And that's the way it is. And hopefully fans like see that. And I understand, look, I understand you weren't running a business, but guys normally play better. Guys, after being in a business, your work is performed better when they're compensated. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, and you're happy. Yes. Which is one of the reasons why do you think they always go ahead and pay the quarterback?

Yes. They always pay the quarterback. You get your quarterback out the way, so he had nothing to worry about. He's in the right state of mind and he can focus on the job at hand. No distractions. And again, not being able to get your money after putting in all the work, you know, the sacrifice, the sweat, the injuries. I just, I mean, he led, I mean, I mean, he led the entire league in sacks.

He did that. He had, he, I mean, he had 17 and a half. He was, I mean, he was in the running for defensive player of the year. And he's probably thinking to himself, what the hell do I have to do to get rewarded for my hard work? Yeah. That's crazy. It's unfortunate.

And listen, this is, it happens all the time. For sure. Well, it happens all the time. Yes. What happens is his turn. His turn. Bingo's rookie, Shemar Stewart is still waiting to take his first practice rep in the NFL. He also has some words for the Bengals today in comparing his situation with Trades.

Let's take a listen to what he had to say. Like some people say, we all agree, Tray will be right, right? But technically still one percent wrong for being on the contract. So and in my case, I'm 100 percent right. So it should be a no brainer. And in Tray's case, I think it should be a no brainer, too. I mean, he let 17 and a half sacks for two years back to back.

If I was the GM or I was the owner, take all my money. But I guess they don't operate like that. But no, they do not. Hey, listen, hey, it's easy to say take all my money when you're not the GM and it's not. It's somebody else's money. Oh, yes. Hey, man, get all of your money. Don't bother buying. It's easy to say take all my money when you not the GM and it's not somebody else's money Oh, yes

It's easy to say that but listen you learn quick you learn you learn quick you learn fast The rookie will understand that this is a business and it's running a little different It's running a little different now. He's had 17 and a half sacks back to back seasons, right? And then they're they're hesitate they're hesitant on paying them So in situations like this, this will tell you how they really feel about you. Yes, depending on the player is, depending on who the player is, and how much they value you and what you bring to the table. Oh, man, they're not even playing when it's time to get paid. I don't care who I don't care who y'all.

Let's say this is what Mike Florio, a pro football focus, right? This football talk, PFT, he said, the Bengals have decided to wedge a new clause into Stewart's deal. The clause would turn a default in any given year into a void of all remaining guarantees. And prior, Bengals contracts a void wiped out only the guarantees for the year in which the default occurred.

Stuart refuses to be the guinea pig for the new term, and the Bingo's refuse to blink. As a result, Stuart will be less prepared for training camp than he would have been. So in other words, a lot of times they put a clause in there, Ocho. It says if you do something wrong, the money you were supposed to get in that year is wiped away. Now they put the new clause in there and say, if you do something wrong, any guarantee that you're supposed to get in 25, 26, 27, 28, that's going to, oh no, hell no. I understand.

I, to me, honestly, I don't, I don't like the verbiage, but again, I would have it on a year to year basis. If this year, if you mess up, you know what, if it's contact judgment is at a seam or something that is that serious, where we need to recoup some of that money back, that's guaranteed. I see fit to do so. But messing up one time. Devoid all the remaining guarantees. Oh, absolutely not. Hell no. Not over. I see fit to do so. But, especially the one time... Devoid all the remaining A&T homes.

Oh, absolutely not. Hell no. Not over... What? Man, don't make me curse. Don't make me curse. That I just got seen the other day. Don't do that.

Oh no, don't do that. Don't do that. Like, that's... Listen, I know they're trying to set a precedent. I'm not sure what precedent that... You're not with me, you're not. Listen, outside of don't get in any trouble, period. I don't know if he has a past,

if he has a past history of doing things wrong. I don't know. For them to actually want to put that clause in his contract all of a sudden out the blue, set a precedent with this individual? I'm not sure what his past looks like. That's the only thing I can think of and why they would want to do something like that.

And no, but it seems to be like this is something that they're trying to do moving forward. To everybody? Yes. Only round one, please. It says because the clause would determine the default in any given year into a void of all remaining guarantees. In prior, Bingo's contracts,

a void wiped out only guarantees for which the year the default occurred. So if he did something in 25, okay, we wipe out the guarantees in 25. 26, 27, 28 is protected. Now they're saying if you default in 25, 26, 27, 28 get wiped away. Oh, hell no, Ocho.

That's the whole purpose of guarantees. Is to be able to get the guarantee. Yes. Yeah. I have a question. Are there any other NFL teams that practice the same clause in their contracts? We wouldn't know that, huh? Well, there's some... You have a contract. Let's just say for sake of, there's some, some, you have a contract.

Let's just say, for sake of argument, you and the NFL, you a wire receiver. Uh, or it's like coaches, like, like a college, like an NFL coach. I get you cut you, uh, say I got three years left on my deal at $12 million a year. Yes, sir. I get a new job, whatever. So now it offsets. So what they have is offset language. So if I get a job from another team, however much that team plays that I have to pay the remaining. So if I get a deal for 9 million over there, I only have to pay 3 million over here where I left got left at, you know what I'm saying? Right. Some people right here, there is no offset language.

Jimbo Fisher, Jimbo Fisher got released. He gets all 80 of that remaining money. It was 82 to be exact. Okay. I remember that. So sometimes they try to put offset language where you can't double dip, players can't double dip. So if you get released and you go sign with another team, that ain't got nothing to do

with you. I want the money that you owe me and I'm gonna get the money they're gonna give me. Don't you worry about what I got. You just go make sure to, hey, just go ahead and make sure you keep the checks coming. I won't be, hey, you got the wire number, go and put it in there. Direct deposit. So that's, and some teams do, some teams will have offset language

if you get another job, even in TV, you get released by one network, you go somewhere else, they just pay the difference. So you got X, Y, whatever the case may be. So if you get, if you get say five million over here, you only get two and a half over there, you don't get two and a half. Hey, this, hey, man, this is,

as much as people love the beautiful game, they, I don't think they understand the nasty business side of it. No, they don't. The nasty business side of it, it can get ugly. It can get very ugly in the fact there's a reason why when it comes to contracts and negotiations or a situation like this, there's a reason why the agents go in there and not the

players, because the players go in those rooms and you hear how owners really feel about you and what they really want to do and the language they want to put in the fine print language that they want to put in contracts to protect themselves from having to pay you long term if you mess up. Oh listen, it was some stuff, I don't want to bring up the past, but it was some stuff in T's contract and in Chase's contract that wasn't suitable. It wasn't right. So if they were doing it to T and Chase, you know, who the meat and potatoes that offense outside of Joe,

I know they're gonna do it to Trey and they definitely gonna do it to the rookie. Oh yeah, for sure. But it's business, man, it's business. It's never personal. I'm like, hey, you know what I'm gonna do? Hey, I'm gonna call Joe Burrow, agent. Hey, bro, y'all got this language in your contract?

They do it all the time. Yeah? They do it all the time. Yeah. They do it all the time. Nah bro, you're not finna, I'm not finna be no guinea pig. You're not finna sit no precedent with me. And then everybody that comes after me, they looking at me crazy because I allowed it to happen because I was the highest draft pick the year that they started this foolishness.

And I, I, I agree to it. So how can this go though? What if he refuses to play? What if he refuses to sign the contract unless they remove that language? What happens? That's it. They either have to remove the language or he has to say, I'm not playing. Ooh, that can get ugly on.

Mm hmm. I hope he did hope he got some good NIL money. He hadn't spent too much he hadn't promised his mom or dad or whomever house yet. Right. Damn. I don't like that for him. I don't either. Aaron Rodgers was the latest veteran quarterback to weigh in on mentoring the next generation. In his case, he was asked about mentoring Will Howard. He responded, Will's a good kid.

We got to talk a little bit. I thought he did a really, I thought he did really well today. He seems pretty bright going through the progression really well. I'm going to be with him every single day, every single meeting. Found my seat next to him today in the offensive meeting, whether or not it sticks right next to Will Howard. So I'm going to help him out as much as I can. OK, I say, you know what, you know what I don't like to your children.

Let me tell you the truth story. Oh, I got middle in college with math. Ain't none of that ish stick. I told you once we got past timetables, me and math really didn't get along, Ocho. Ocho, if I could do this like this here. Yeah. Or write it down in a little scratch paper. Yes, sir. Nine, six, one. Me and math, hey, you start getting the fractions and pies.

Yeah. Well, listen. I don't know what to tell you. It's only one pie, I know, that's apple pie. That's it. But a pecan pie. And then start talking about, if a train left at 4.30 in the morning and train B left at six o'clock in the afternoon,

at what point would they... Oh, Joe! Oh, Joe! Oh, Joe! Oh, Joe! Oh, Joe! Oh, Joe! Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

If Johnny had five apples, he gave Amy three, but Adam bought back six. Man, if you don't... Yeah, I'm like, bro! He pissed out my face. Two trains. One leaves at 4.30 a.m. The other leaves at 6 p.m. And one I don't how fast are they going? I don't know what? But I see oh Joe I don't know what it just could do what it could do 12 times 12 why they could do 60

49 from 60 is how but they They start doing all that other stuff, and they go with me. So, me and Math, me and Math, we were not good. And, no, Math ain't my favorite thing. Who was? Oh, sure. Hey. Yeah. Hey, that was funny, boy. Yeah, but see where it comes comes to percentage, okay, you got this much and you will get a

percentage. Bro, how much is that? How much you want? How much you want, man? You start getting, hey, let's do a round number because we start getting $776 and I'm getting you getting three and a half percent of that. Come on, bro. Hey, I got, I got, I got $35 for you. Okay. You $35 do you you ask an awful lot, man. I got time to be doing all that. You know, you do this and you, and you add point two four or point four not man I ain't got all that I got time for that so no so I get what Erin is

saying mentoring it because everybody processes information differently yeah me I was a visual learner I need you to see you put it on the board don't hey Shannon I want you to go do this and do that like no no no no draw the issue on the board. And once I saw that's OK, I'm good now. I'm good. I'm a visual learner. Don't explain nothing to me.

Show me. But at the end of the day. Hey, boy, that was funny, boy. At the end of the day, the beginning of the day or the middle of the day, Ojo, how well does somebody process information? How well do they retain information? And then can you spit it out?

That's it. Can you spit it out? Because sometimes some people can read something and have no earthly idea what the hell they read. Some people can skim over it and give you a great synopsis of what it's actually saying. Yeah, everybody processes information differently. They do. Yes.

Miles Garrett had a simple response today about Aaron Rodgers joining the AFC North. I think it's a good opportunity to put him in the graveyard. Damn. That's the type of answer you expect from a defense end. Oh yeah, for sure. That's the type of answer you expect from one of, if not the best defense end in NFL. Listen, you got to deal with Ann Rodgers twice a year. And you let them know ahead of time. You already know what time it is. I'm not here to say nice about you.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. At all. Yeah, actually, I'm trying to add you to the resume, you know. I don't know if I've got an opportunity to sack Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or somebody, but hey, you're the next best thing. I'll take it. I might not have an opportunity to get them, but I can get your ass. Yeah, most definitely. But they asked the wrong one. Packer CEO and president, Mark Murphy, has some shade for John Alexander

when asked about the recent release. He's been a great player for us, obviously. Elite talent, unfortunately, just injured a lot. Unfortunately, that's a big part of the game. You see, we've been used to playing without him. Alexander played 14 games over the last two seasons. Yeah. Damn. Hey, played 14 games.

Listen, injuries is something you can't avoid. But one thing I know about that young bull, when he's healthy, when he's on the field and he's playing man to man in your face, he's going to give you everything he got and he wanted to bet that he wanted the best at it, but he doesn't get the credit he deserves because he's been injured. I can only speak on what I've seen when I see him on the field. He going to talk that trash to YouTube and back it up the best he can. Him and Justin Jeffers, the matchups, those matchups were classic.

He wants him and he lost some, but either way I'm tuning in every time them two used to line up together. He going to go somewhere. I don't know where he going to go. Where he goes. They understand they, they need to understand what they're getting when he is healthy and do whatever they need to do to get him on that field and keep him on there. That's the toughest part about it Ocho because uh being available is a big part of how good you are. You know boy he's a good

worker when I can get him to come to work that ain't what the damn deal. Right. Right. And I look, he's injured. I think he said he had a meniscus or something. He had a shoulder injury. When you play a skill position, it's hard to go out there and play with something wrong with you. Yeah. Because you got a lower extremity. Because that's where am I going? No, Joe. If I can't all of a sudden, I can't be sudden. All of a sudden I'm a DB and I can't raise my arm. How do I knock down a pass?

How do I intercept the pass? Or if I got an injury, something with my knee, my hips or something, ankle. Because guess what? Only thing people in the stands see and people at home see, man, Joe, you're getting a touchdown. Man, he sorry. He don't feel all bad because, he tell you sorry, he don't feel off bad. Cause he used to be good.

He don't feel off bad. That's what they see. Yeah. They don't see Monday to, you know, and getting treatment and all that stuff. You're not able to practice. You potentially have to shoot up. You have to take medication.

They don't see any of that. All they see is Alexander on the back of that pack of jersey and whether or not he's making plays or not. It's really that simple. Yeah. Did you or didn't you? Damn. That's unfortunate, man.

And I guess they were trying to like come to a number that was amenable to both parties. Right. Excuse me. And they could just never get there. Maybe he thought it was too low. They thought it was too low. They thought it was too high. Right. And at the end of the day, we've seen teams and amount of money they won't eat because we've seen them eat Aaron Rodgers contract, Green Bay. We've seen

the Broncos eat a Russell Wilson's contract. So there is not a denomination 40, 50, $60 million. They don't care. There's a chance that the Falcons, the Mike Brown probably have to eat cousin summer cousins contract. So you don't, you don't think I obviously he's not going to move. Huh? No, I'm sure they're going to want whoever, whoever taken the pay up. So Stan, to chunk of that, that a contract and they're like, now we just wait for you to release him and we can get it for minimum.

Okay. Yeah, yeah. Damn. I mean, to pay $50 million for a backup. Hey, that's good money there, boy. Can you imagine? Yeah. Backup, making 50 million. I just, I remember when this deal came down and you and I was talking about it, said, Ocho.

We sure was, yeah. I said, Ocho. I thought, listen, I sure thought he was gonna get at least two years in. I didn't know he would, I didn't know it would be that soon, huh? I said, at best case scenario, he gets two. I said, but Ocho, what if he only gets one

and you got all that guaranteed money? You in a Russell Wilson situation. Yeah. Yeah. And that's exactly what happened. Now Russell situation was a little, you know, they wanted some, some protections to get the guaranteed money, blah, blah, blah. Russell's like, nah, I'm not waving that. And I get it because of man.

And I think they still got another 10 million next year they owe him. Cause he got a hundred and 10, I think he got a hundred, signed a four year, a hundred and $80 million deal, but 110 of it was guaranteed. 50 signing bonus and then 60 over the next two years. Hey, one thing about Brother Cousins, man, listen, God, God has been good to him. Great.

And his timing, his timing has been impeccable every time that he bet on himself. One thing about it, when you bet on yourself, he's come out on top every single time. So how much you got 84, you got 84 to sign? 184 million, not no 84 million, that's $21 million a year. No, I was talking about, we talking about cousins. I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was Nah, it was way more than that. Yeah, and that's the thing though, Ocho. I mean, Cousins got like 50 million guaranteed. You got signing bonus.

Cause I think he had 110, it was 180 for four years. And then I think he had 110 guaranteed. Maybe 150 guaranteed. Woo! Hey, could you imagine, hey, chat, could you imagine just close your eyes real quick and just imagine you go to sleep at the night and you wake up in the morning

and it's 50 million in your bank account. But Uncle Sam done took half of it. Ocho, he got 50, he got 90 totally. If you think about Ocho, he's never had a contract since he became the star in Washington that wasn't guaranteed. Because remember, he played on the franchise tag one year, he played on the franchise tag the second year. Minnesota fully guaranteed the deal and then he came back, he got another fully guaranteed

deal and now what you call him just gave him a hundred million fully guaranteed. So he got 50 this year, he got 50 last year, he got 40 this year, that's 90, he got another 10 next year. Hey, listen, that's God's child now. God don't play by the children. He don't. But when it comes to Jair, for the Mark Murphy,

to say what he said, you think that's fair or foul? You know what? What did you tell me? What did I tell you? I want owners to- And you say you want the truth. More owners need to start speaking like this. Tell us how you-

Well, they don't really have an owner. They have a CEO. They're the only team that doesn't have ownership. Right. Yeah. I mean, listen, tell us how you really feel. Right now, the Bengals are in a situation right now. I mean, obviously, I know there's no one over there that would do that, but tell us why

you really don't want to play it. You know, it would be a breath of fresh air if we can get owners to speak out why they really don't want to do things. Similar to what Mark Murphy did. You know what? We like him. We just don't feel we want to invest that much money into him. We don't think he's...

Okay. You got 17 and a half sacks, two years in a row, but we don't think he can do it for another year. Right. Just come out and say it. We don't see him as a Michael Parsons or we don't see him as a Miles Garrett type. He's a tier two D for saying, come out and say it. Because if it was anybody else,

and if it was Miles Garrett, oh, you gonna get your money. Well, it's kind of like, I think, who was it? Branch Ricky got one of the big contract. He said, what'd you hit last year, son? He said, I hit 350, 17 homers and 85 RBIs. He said, what place did we finish in the division? He said, we finished last. He said, we could finish there without you.

So I guarantee you Cincinnati is having this conversation. Where do we finish with in defense? When you got those 17 half sacks, you were in defensive player of the year running, where do we finish defensively? Okay, we can finish there without you. Yeah, and that's how they look like. I guarantee they're having those conversations.

Yeah, that's how they look like. You and I think in Ocho, it should be a no-brainer. The guy got 17 and a half sacks, he did it one year. He didn't do it just one year, he did it two years. Yeah. So you're like, okay, fine, cool. But a lot of times what the mistakes, and sometimes, you know, it's better to wait.

If you get tea, you save yourself probably $30 million. Right. If you signed him last year, if you go ahead and give, see now, if you gave, uh, Trey 28 million last year, he jumped on that with both feet. Yeah. Now he sees where the market is going. The market is not in the, in the, in the high twenties, low thirties. The market is in the forties.

Yeah. You see, you know what you see, what you just said, the way you just explained it about the timing of. Yes. Fighting to pay the players. And that's the difference in brother Harry Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie. Yep. The timing and when they decide to play players has always been impeccable.

They get them before it's too high. They get the Patriots model. Yeah. They get them at the right time Where it makes sense and it's almost to a point where it's team friendly in a sense because you can continue to build around them Yep, and I Man, I wish man. I Don't wish more teams did that huh? Yeah, I don't give myself a shit

We previously spoke about the reports that Terry McLaurin is frustrated with the lack of progress on a long-term deal. Well, new reports say that scary Terry is not attending Commander's mini camp. All these camps now, Ocho, are mandatory. They are no more voluntary. They're all mandatory. Ocho, how would the situation end?

Oh, he don't get that? You don't get that money? Don't get his money. You know, I'm going to tell you how you're going to get his money. I'm going to tell you. Yeah, I'm going to tell you how you're going to get his money. How you gonna get it? Jaden Day will go up there. Hello.

Who is it? In Jaden. I need my number one quarterback. I need my captain. I'm not sure what you need to do on your end, but I know what I need my number one quarterback. I need my captain. I'm not sure what you need to do on your end, but I know what I need on my end. I need scary Terry to get that money so I have that safety net so I have the individual to throw to. The same one. Pull up the film from last year. I don't understand what the problem

is. I don't know what we mulling around for. Get him his money. I still got two years before I'm up, so we gonna be all right. No, I'm going, yeah. This year, next year, after next year, I'm gonna come see you too. And if I got him, that increases my value too. Thank you. Because I know I'm gonna put up big numbers

and I see where this going, so I'm gonna buy, I'm trying to get 62. Damn! Oh, I'm trying to get 62. Damn. Oh, I'm trying to get, hold on. I'm trying to get Josh, I'm trying to get Josh Allen number. 62? Josh Allen would have signed two years. I'm two years after Josh Allen. I'm trying to keep the market going. Okay. Okay. How much Josh Allen, how much Josh Allen got fully guaranteed I Tell you what you ain't got to give me you ain't got to give me for 300 make it all guaranteed

300 Josh Allen got 330 how much is fully guaranteed 250 he got a quarter Billy He got 250 fully guaranteed, Okay, boom. That's me. So Six years 330. I don't really care about that. Tell me how much If it floods if it's snow if it's a tornado a rainstorm, I don't care Tell me what i'm gonna be what i'm gonna get So guess what? By that time, Mocho, 275. That could be the goal rate, 275.

Hey, so CJ Stroud gonna be in that ballpark too then. CJ Stroud up there after this season. Yeah, absolutely, yes. And you better hold Patrick Mahone, don't say, you know what? I'm tired of all these jokes making more than me. Give me my true value. He wouldn't do that.

He wouldn't do that. I'm not gonna say it. Yeah, Pat Pat. You know what I'm saying? He's made it abundantly clear. He's like, he's doing great with money. They've done great by him. He's like, look, I'm just trying to keep this team together

as long as I possibly can. Keep his money good players around me, a la Tom Brady, as I possibly can. Hey, and plus the money that I make off the field can sustain my lifestyle. And it makes up for what he's not gonna make in contracts, as opposed to the other quarterbacks that's taking a huge lump sum.

Yeah, I think the thing is, oh Joe, when you look at it, my homeboy, he's gonna be like, Brady, Brady's gonna be like Brady. Brady's not the highest paid, was not the highest paid quarterback. Even though he played the most years, he didn't make the most money. Aaron Rodgers is at 408 million, I think,

and then Matthew Stafford's at 391. Tom Brady way, way on that. I mean, Tom Brady, listen, don't feel sorry for him. He made really good money. But Tom, it became painful. It came obvious to everybody. The most important thing was rings. It wasn't money because Tom realized as a quarterback,

he was gonna be able to make money. Now he's making 35 million or 37 million a year for 10 years. So he good. So he said, now, now look,, I give y'all something to chase. Cause y'all can pass me monetarily. I want to see the dude is going to catch me with these reins. Who gonna get eight? Who gonna get seven? Who gonna get six? Why are we talking about it? I'm already there. I'm in the clubhouse. He says,

look, I've already shot under par. I'm in the clubhouse. Come catch me. I'm in the clubhouse. Come catch me. Dang. So... God damn. Terrence is like, look bro, I done been to the Pro Bowls, I done done done a thousand yard seasons. I don't really know what else y'all want me to do. I don't know. I don't know. What else I need to do to show you that I'm worth whatever I say I am. His situation is different.

He's going to get his money. It's just about being patient and the timing of when it gets done. Miss Mini Camp, just make sure you work it out. Before the scene of the star, maybe before training camp. You don't want to miss another training camp. No. No, you don't do that. Don't do that.

And I'm sure that the organization understands you're going in a different direction. You're going in different directions. You had a phenomenal season last year. You got things off. You got things off to a great start. Don't, don't F it up. Don't F it up. Don't piss off the fans. You had a great season in NFC championship last year. Let's keep that momentum and consistency of greatness going forward and changing that culture. Wow. Reports are saying Coach wide receiver Coach Reggie Wayne. Reggie Wayne that is.

Reggie Wayne is viewed as a possible interim head coach if Shane Steichen struggles to start the season. Ocho? I like it. You don't like it? Now, here's the thing. You know, they're under, you know, Jim Ursay, rest his soul,

Mr. Ursay passed away a month ago. His three daughters took over. I think his oldest daughter, although they all have roles, she is the majority and she makes the decisions. Because even if it's a family thing, the NFL wants there to be one voice. They want one person to be able to talk. And so she is the, you know, the oldest.

And I guess he, you know, put it in a situation where, okay, you handle this and it's going to go accordingly. But that'd be very, very interesting because there's one thing like, damn, all of a sudden with thrust into this and we're running a billion dollar corporation, a multi-billion dollar corporation is something entirely different when you got a head coach situation in your first year That's not something that you know, you've been on the job for five six years old show You kind of understand it, but your first year you got to make that decision. Mm-hmm

I mean listen, they've been around the game though. They've been around the game long enough And I'm gonna be certain decisions that are gonna be made that can be you know somewhat that are gonna be made that can be, you know, somewhat altering business decisions. And business decisions, and that is one of them. Listen, I'm not sure who made the call or who made the decision when Jeff Saturday got the opportunity. Jim Ersay.

Jim Ersay. So again, he did. He loved his players. He really close to his players. I mean. Yeah. So I mean. Yeah. So I mean, I think that I think it would be a great, great opportunity for Reggie.

He knows the organization. He knows the fan base. He understands the culture and what, what now the fans, but what their organization needs to get any back to their winning ways. Yeah. But here's the thing, Ocho.

You have to understand, Jim Mercy had a personal relationship with Jeff Saturday. Even though they're around, they don't have the same type of relationships. They haven't developed that. And it's different male, female. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? So going out, you know, Mr. Ursay going out and drinking with Saturday and some of the guys is one thing. That's not what they're going to do. They're not going to have that same dynamic as their father had.

And so that's what, you know, I don't wish I don't want Shane Stike and I don't want him to man to lose his job. But I mean, this is a situation they're just saying they're just throwing stuff up. Like, what if he struggles? Yeah yeah Shane is gonna be okay Shane is gonna be okay him losing in job is all predicated on how the quarterback play is yes listen the quarterback play is that's all it comes down to that's this I don't want to call the elephant in the room but that's the goddamn elephant in the room how well is a quarterback play gonna play Because if the quarterback play is bad, he ain't going to get you fired.

That's what happens. And sometimes they play just good enough to get themselves, get the coach fired and them cut self-cut. That's where Rich used to tell us, uh, Richard Smelthy was our special teams coach. He said, son, you play just well enough to get me cut and you fired. So the cap, that's going to be a tough, I mean, I think Houston's going to be, you know, Houston's going to rebound, even though they wanted to division last year, I think there'll be a little bit better.

Um, um, we're going to be very interested to see how Jacksonville does this year. Yeah. Got a new head coach. They got Travis Hunter. We'll see, uh, uh, Trevor Lawrence. Yeah. He got, he got to come back. He got Brian Thomas Jr.

Travis. Yeah. I'm, I'm excited. Hey, that's a Jackson Jacksonville man. What, what, that's, that stadium won what is this thing? You won't be rocking where? That stadium won't be rocking Mm-hmm. Oh Joe Shane Steichen says Anthony Richardson village visited

Dr. Neil Eletrash in Los Angeles to get a second opinion on his shoulder Steichen says nothing has changed and the plan is to just rest the shoulder for now. There's no timetable on his return. Damn. So you, oh Joe, we start a race, we running, all of a sudden, you catch a cramp or you get tired, your stomach start to hurt. So you stop. Yeah, cramp or you get tired, your stomach start to hurt. So you stop. Yeah.

You see what happened? So Daniel Jones right now is the starting quarterback for the. Absolutely. 1000%. Okay. Daniel Jones isn't the answer either. Just FYI. It all depends on what's the question.

Name the quarterback that went to Duke. He't the answer either, just FYI. It all depends on what's the question. Name the quarterback that went to Duke. He's the answer. When you say he's not the answer, I just need to know the question you're asking first. Listen, Daniel Jones is not the answer. I don't care what people say about Anthony Richardson, him being hurt, he was inconsistent last year, whatever it may be.

Daniel Jones isn't an answer either. And that's no disrespect to him. I'm just being honest. We saw a large sample size of what he could do in New York in the biggest market. Yes. Biggest market with some decent talent around him. I think from a supporting cast standpoint,

it's a lot better in any form. Oh, for sure. A lot. They got Jonathan Taylor in the backfield. Look at those receivers. They got Pearson and Pittman Jr. Yeah, absolutely. Oh yeah.

They got some talent over there now. Oh, there's no, there's no. A solid offensive line. Defense isn't bad. Yeah. There's no excuse. If you can't get it done here, then you are the problem. Damn man. And I was, damn.

Oh Joe. Well, I turn around here for Anthony Richardson. Pick the wrong time to have this type of injury. Cause like I said, maybe it's his AC joint or something like that. He went to the Kerlin-Jo clinic out in LA, Neil Eltrash, remember I was telling you about him. I know Dr. Eltrash.

Why are we waiting to do it now and not doing it when the season ended? I don't know, did he have surgery then? Maybe he's throwing. Cause a lot of times, you know, they bring extra quarterbacks in, Ocho, because they don't know, did he have surgery then? Maybe he's throwing, because a lot of times they bring extra quarterbacks in, Ocho, because they don't want the quarterback throwing so much so early, so soon.

And sometimes they just get dead arms. And, you know, I don't know how much he threw in the off season, you know, because as a pitcher, you know, you got to throw. Right, he might be overdoing it, man. There's a possibility of that too. We don't know. We just...

Two years ago. Yeah. Yeah, if he's having, I think it's his AC joint, isn't it? He had surgery after his rookie, well, remember he missed, he only played, he only played like three or four games as rookie year. Cause he got that shoulder and he had surgery on it. He says, they're saying that he's experiencing soreness in that throwing shoulder that he had surgery on.

Damn. Lions head coach, Dan Campbell wants to have a live lion on the team sideline at Ford field. But the NFL said hell no, despite owner Sheila Ford-Hamp approving it. Sheila said, had no problem with it. But the league apparently frowned upon those type of things. You know what, he'll be a perfect college coach

cause they definitely let you have anything. They let you have a Clydesdale, they let you have an Elephant, a Panther. Ellis, you got what, a Falcon Fly to Island, like at an Albert? Cambertoe pardon my take. Ocho, I mean, you want to lie on the sideline?

Yeah, I like that. So listen, all that does is it gives me another idea. Obviously I'm not playing, but can you imagine me playing for Dan Campbell back during those days and a lion on the sideline? And I get to come up with a celebration after scoring, using the lion, using our mascot? Man, shh, man. I can see me jumping in the cage. I can see that lion tear your ass up in that cage.

Interfell say, the last thing the Interfell want, that infant lion mess around and break up out that cage, yo-cho. But I don't know, hey listen, don't nobody don't know part of that, whether you got on pads or not. Cause here's the thing, people don't realize, like you see a lion on television,

and you're like, aw, he ain't a... But when you see that mofo in person... Up close? Yeah, all right. 400 pounds are all muscle. Hey, I want you to think about it for the people in this chat that have cats, right? Just think about this.

Think about the people that have cats and how quick and agile your regular home domestic cat is. Now you take a full, how much they weigh y'all? 400, easy, 400 average, a male lion. A 400 pound lion that has that same type of agility and quickness, just for some reason, they sleep 23 hours a day and can still jump out, man, it's, dog, they're athletic. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

And they so damn lazy. dog they have lettuce unbelievable unbelievable and they so damn lazy hey they sleep half the day to a they hunt at night to get there get their little hunt on get their little aid and just chill yeah um what a life bro nah like i said in college you know college they let anything go they have goats and they have Rams and they have you know Even Colorado they gonna have Ralphie running on the field. Yeah, Oh Who's that Oklahoma got boomer schooner boomer sooner and that looked a little bit horses. Yeah NFL said nah, we good I like it though that would be dope that That would be dope if they could implement mascots

that were that, that reference the teens, but had the real mascot outside of just- Well, we got a, we got, we got mascot. Fun to run on the field every time they score a touchdown. The horse? Yeah. Yeah. See every team, I'm saying every team, the bangle should have an actual bangle tiger.

I mean, I think it would be dope. It'd be fun. But you got your damn bye, I'm just being honest what a cowboy they do have a cowboy I mean So I'm trying to figure out the Giants how they go get a mascot how tall he gonna be go be dead are you gonna be Goliath the Giants. What is the Giants mascot? Well, we're trying it That's it? Yeah. Okay.

I like it. I like it. I'm just trying to figure out so... The Seahawks? The Seahawks having a Seahawk? Yeah. The Colts obviously having a horse, I'd assume. The Chiefs, that's easy. Who else we got? Broncos, obviously you have the horse. Yeah, we got Thunder.

Okay. We got Panthers, having a Panther. Oh, that would be dope. A Black Panther coming, oh, that'd be live. I'm trying to think what. Ravens, it's easy to get a goddamn Raven. Yeah. Buffalo Bills, can you imagine if they had a big bison?

Oh, you want them to run out and feel like Ralphie, huh? Yeah, yeah, get you a real bison, man. Yeah, NFL neither, they might as well just, you know, try something different. The one thing about the NFL, they do not want to pay no money. They make all the money though. I know, that's how you keep it.

You keep it, you make it, and you don't spend away with lawsuits. Yeah. Marvin Harrison Jr. has been hitting the gym, Ocho. Even Kyler Murray couldn't believe how different Marvin Harrison Jr. looked. When asked about his transformation, Kyler said, hell, I thought it was AI.

Yeah, he yoked up. He's more than you, Ocho. He got you. Nah, we're about the same size. Nah, Ocho, he got you. Nah, we by the same size. Nah, Ocho, he got you, Ocho. I'm bigger than R. Junior, I'm bigger than Junior. Nah. Trust me, man. Trust me.

You see. Chat, what y'all think? Y'all think Ocho bigger than a M.H.J.? All they gotta do, look at me, man, look at this. Man, look at him. No, look at me, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, salad, arugula, something like that. Me, what you talking about, man? What is real, boy? You talking about, hey, my, hey, I'm a full C cup. Like I can't, I gotta put, I gotta put my T,

I gotta get a egg, a one size smaller T-shirt just to keep my chest down. You're still a small. No, what? This is a 2X. No it ain't. This is a 2X from H&M. I can show you. Show me. H&M. See? God damn!

Joe sent me some shorts. Who dat? And he talked about these are 2X. What's that? God damn them things little, huh? That's what I'm saying for two eggs. Hey, send me them. Man, you get on that reformer. Hey, what kind of shorts them is? They're supposed to be yoga shorts. Oh, they're supposed to be smaller, huh? No, they're not. Not for me.

Nah, you know, but you know, hey, yoga, you support, I ain't never did yoga, but I'm supposed to be free. You know, really. How am I free with those little tiny ass things? You don't want nothing baggy though. Hey, I got to have, I'm supposed to have a junk strap on there. So you're supposed to have all baggy stuff in yoga. Oh, no, you want to be free. Nothing.

That's free. Baggy is free, not constricted. Okay, I got you. Joe, I don't know. I think you might have miss-sized these. Joe sent me some too, man. So we'll see you tomorrow, Ojo.