Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Kenny Pickett TRADE to the Raiders + to Terry McLaurin’s $96M DEAL

Episode Date: August 26, 2025

Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Terry McLaurin ending his holdout with a massive 3-year, $96M deal to stay with the Commanders, and debate if Washington is a real Super Bowl contender. Kenny Pickett gets traded from the Browns to the Las Vegas Raiders. Plus, Dak Prescott makes a bold prediction for the Cowboys offense after a ‘vanilla’ preseason & much more! 02:39 - Browns trading Kenny Pickett to the Raiders20:55 - Terry McLaurin, Commanders Agree to 3-Year, $96M Contract After Hold-In41:27 - Bengals' Trey Hendrickson agrees to revised contract with $14M raise (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Cleveland Browns, Ocho, are trading Kenny Pickett to the Raiders in exchange for a 2026th round pick, taken 20th overall by the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 20th. 2022 draft. Pickett has now been traded three times in his career. That leaves the Browns with two rookies, Dylan Gabriel and Chodorantz Sanders behind starter Joe Flacko. Stefansky has not named Flacko's backup. The Raiders needed the backup to Gino Smith after Aiden O'Connell.

He broke his wrist and he's going to be out six to eight weeks. So they needed the backup. The Brown's like, you know what? We got one. what y'all what y'all try to do what y'all try to do something y'all try to do something y'all try to do something because right now at one o'clock yeah and easter time four o'clock everything needs to be uh taken care of so they got this done i like this move oh choo i told you i didn't see a scenario where joe flacco and kentie picket was on this on this roster two veteran quarter i didn't see that i didn't um so tim what you think

about the move surprised uh no i'm not surprised at all obviously kinney picket is a very very, very serviceable quarterback. He showed glimpses of being able to lead a team, maybe not quarterback number one, but we saw him in Pittsburgh. We saw him in Philly when he got his opportunity to play there. And obviously, due to injuries and circumstances, we weren't able to see much of them in Cleveland,

but obviously, we've seen what he could do in two other spots outside of, outside of Las Vegas, where he's going to be now. And obviously, learning and sit behind Gino Smith is a great, great, great quarterback number one to sit behind and learn. that offense from. And if anything goes wrong where Gino Smith goes down, Kenny Pickett is a grace, serviceful quarterback that can go in and lead a team to a couple of wins. Obviously, they have Amari Cooper. Jacoby Myers is upset right now. Obviously,

wanting an extension. And I think because of Jacoby requesting a trade, they obviously reached out to Amari Cooper. And Amari Cooper has some other choices of teams he could have went to, but he chose to go back to the Raiders for obvious reasons. He going to get that ball. he's going to get that ball. And, I mean, that's what it is. I think it's a good thing, good pickup for Pete Carroll. And he's going to be our right. He's going to be all right over there in Las Vegas.

Yeah, I like to move for both sides. Reports are out, Ocho, that Kenny Pickett, they really, the Browns really like Kenney Pickett. And they were hoping he would be their starter. But I didn't see a scenario where you, if you're keeping four quarterbacks, you're not keeping two veterans and two rookies. It just didn't make a whole lot of sense to know, not at all. No, not at all.

Because the backup. he's not going to be your future. He's not your future. Your future are the rookies. So if he's your backup, now you're taking rep from them. And I hate when they say stuff like that too. The way you just started that sentence,

what they wanted Kenny Pickett to be the starter. Obviously, if Kenny Pickett was the type of quarterback that was to be a starter and the future for the Cleveland Browns, he would have been that. He still been Pittsburgh. Yeah, I mean, no, no disrespect to him. No disrespect to him. He would have been that there.

Obviously, we think about the makeup in the, the DNA of the Cleveland Browns. They are not heavily offensive skilled in a sense where you can have a quarterback that needs more talent around him to succeed like Kenny Pickett would. I think Joe Flacko is suited. Okay, I don't have that much talent around me offensively because the identity for the Cleveland Browns is their defense, no matter what they in the chat trying to hate. The Cleveland Brown defense, it's very good, no matter what you say.

You can say what you want to say. So they went with the right choice in Joe Flacko. They got Jerry Judy, Mujoku, and they're going to have to eat. Cedric Tillman, they're going to have to eat. They're going to have to eat. Yeah, they're going to have to carry a lot of, do a lot of the head and a lot of it. And the thing is, is that like Joe Flacco at 40 years of age and year 18, what are your expectations? What are your expectations?

I mean, if you really go back and look at it, Joe. Flackle really has, hasn't ever really been good in the regular season. He's made a name from himself in the postseason. Yes. Beating an Andrew Luck, beating a Tom Brady, beating a Peyton Manning. That's where he beat Tom Brady twice in the post season. Can I say something too, unc, please? Go ahead.

Real quick. He beat Andrew Luck. He beat Tom Brady. Please let the chat know and understand the teams and the talent that was surrounding him, he did those. Let's remember. Let me just remember what that deal. defense looked like. Let's you remember what the weapons he had on offense looked like.

Now, it wasn't, it wasn't, obviously, it's a team game, but we can't just put this all on flack over now. But he was, I mean, I mean, he was, I mean, he would look like Joe Montana come playoff time. Because he never, he never, what he's shown in the playoffs, he's never shown that in the regular season for any length of time. Yes, he's had good games. He's a quarterback. I mean, you don't be a quarterback for a decade plus, a starting quarterback for decade plus oh joe and not put up good numbers so he's put up good numbers but nothing that would say oh my god there's a reason why Aussie traded back into the first round it's like it's like lamar jackson so with that being said he beat andrew look he went to denver beat peck manning he went to

new england and beat tom brady he did that and then he went on the road and beat the san francisco team when carlo nick was at his impact without outstanding defense when they had in the Barrow Bowman, when they had Patrick Willis, when they had Smith, when they had those great, that great team, Frank Gore running the ball, a mammoth offensive line. He did that. I'll give him credit for that. But like I said, it's in the postseason that he's made a name, really cut his teeth and made a name for himself because there's really been no consistency in the regular season. He showed you flashed like, damn, why can't we get this more, more, more, more this Joe Flacco than the other guy. Joe Flacco, what are he going to get a Browns?

He's going to give you a five, six game run of wins. You're going to be like, holy, man. He did it. He did it two years ago. Deshawn went down. Boy, they went on a hell of a run with Flack Hope, right? Jerry, Judy, what, wait, no, what's that Judy? The Judy wasn't there.

I figured it was going crazy, man. It might have been Coop. It was Coop. It was Coop going crazy, man. Yeah, it was. The damn show was Coop. And see, and that's the thing. you see what happened he came in there was no expectations they won some games and then we

started having an expectation for him and then what happened the bottom fell out interceptions turn over yes yes yes um so this I like this move for the uh the browns now this give Dylan Gabriel look they're talking about where they have a name to backup we know who the backup's going to be yeah I won't need a name we already know who the backup's going to be um and and Dylan Gabriel is going to be the backup it's your door when you get your reps and because you're going to probably be dealing to be running some of the practice some of the opposing teams quarterback also but excuse me the scout team office that's when your opportunity that's when you show what you can do that's the way you don't go through the motions you take

it serious hey they tell you where to go to the ball you go through your you go through your progressions and get the ball where it needs to go but in the meantime hey you get in that playbook and when your opportunity to present itself, you take full advantage. And the good thing, and the funny thing, the good thing for Stewart, as well as Dylan Gabriel as well, is when you take the scout team reps, hey, you're going against number one defense.

Absolutely. Going against number one defense. So obviously it's mental reps plus physical reps, but it's against the best players, similar to what you see on Sunday. So it's just not no, uh, it ain't going to be no walk in the park, man. Ain't going to be no walking the park.

I, uh, well, I read it that day. I remember, I remember that thing. That was 35 years. I was rookie back at 1990. So that's 35, 36 years ago. I remember it. I would lighten them up on you. Oh, yeah.

Hey, this is my, hey, this is my Sunday. Right, right, right, right. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, that is my Sunday. I'm not going to get a whole lot of reps on offense. I'm going to be on special teams. This is my, this is my Sunday. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, I'm cooking. And I take it, hey, take it easy my ass.

Well, I try to keep me. After the coach done told me that, hey, we still cut right here now. I just want y'all to know that. Hey, El-Ocho, it's September. I think I'd have made the squad coached. I'm not, we still cut. Oh, no, oh, no, I can't. Now, how that's going to look, Ocho, I'd have made the team,

I don't call home, Libby, I made it, Spank, I made it, Mama, I made it, call my home, but I made it, and then all of a sudden I get cut. Oh, nah, nah, hell no. Man, I cooked, I was cooking, who we, I'm trying to think who we played. We played the Raiders over the week. My rookie year, man, I cooked the dude so bad, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, after practice, they cut it.

For real? Cut it, cooked it. Cooked. I was cooked, I was cooking. Hey, it's so funny, I didn't know, I didn't know the correct way to practice. I knew one thing, do everything. Special teens, I'm out there playing around just to keep my body warm and moving. I'm at the conom. Yeah. I'm running down on special teams.

Scout team came. I was going. Listen, Theo, I was. I'm in year 10. T.O. is, you know, T.O. is obviously on the Bengals with me. So I'm peeping. I'm watching T. Okay. Okay, this is how he doing.

Okay, that's how he do it. Scout team come up. I'm taking all the reps on scout team to give my number ones a look. And T.O. pulled me to the side, like, what is how you practice? You're not supposed to, you got to get your body time and the rest. Yeah, you got to say the legs, man. Boy, I take all the reps. This is all I know.

This is how I know. I say, yo, boy, you eat like, oh, boy, you're tripping, boy. You got to say your legs for Sunday. I say, T, I'm going to be all right. But this is how I've always done it. I always take the scout team. So I give the number one corners the best look, depending on who they're seeing. It's like, boy, you better than me because I couldn't do that.

Yeah. Early, you know, I would take a couple, you know, there's like want to get some work or something. But as I got older, I started getting. in your five, your six. Nah, I ain't got nothing for you. Real, oh, I didn't know. My first time thinking there was something wrong with it,

once Tio got there, the Cincinnati was telling me, listen, you need to scale back a little, you need to tone it back, do what you do with the ones when we're up offensively, and you go. You go. Right. Give it everything, but. I'm getting seven hard real.

But plus, Ocho, you take it, you're taking one-on-ones, too. See, I was the only tight end that took one-on-ones. I'd never ran routes against a linebacker or anything like that. I ran routes against the YV. So I'm getting, I'm getting that and I'm getting my reps. So once we got through, I do like five, six plays of nine-on-seven. Mike said 84, go down and get some work on one-on-one. Okay.

Because, you know, during the court, some games, I split out wide, I'd be into play. Right, right. But this is your opportunity. If I could tell any rookie, anything, give them any advice. when you're running scout team that is your Sunday that is your game

Wednesday Thursday Friday is your Sunday you approach it like that you like that hey man take it easy no I ain't take it easy on nothing when they cut that film on they're going to see number 81 busing his ass

because I ain't going home because I'm taking it easy you want to let okay hey bro I understand that you're a bet and you know you and your 10 or whatever the case may be but I'm going thousand miles an hour. As hard as God to live me.

And the ball's going to be coming to me too? Oh, yeah. And they're like, hey, son, he's a rookie. So what you think they got going to do? More than that. So you, that's for sure. I don't even know what I'm doing. I'm just following the, hey, I just see the circle.

Hey, that's where the ball going. Hey, let me get that right there. Every time. Before they got hip to it, Ocho, they started running. They didn't realize that where the circle was. That's where the ball was supposed to go. They're like, all right, go ahead, man. They run a dummy route.

I'm kidding. Y'all got. I'm just getting them all. Dylan Gabriel was seven years old when Flacco made his NFL debut. Shadour was six. That's crazy. 18 years in the league. 18.

Crazy. Dylan Gabriel 25? God dang! Good or bad? Bro, you go to college at 17, 18. If you play four years, you're 21, 22. You play five years, you're 22, 23. Here, 25.

Hold on. What you mean is that good? Wait a minute. Hold on. How old is Bo Nix? Then Bo Nix, stay, stay. Bo Nix 1002? I think it's good.

It's good. If you got ripped, because COVID said everybody back to Ocho. Coach, COVID, remember you got that end of the year for COVID. Huh? Yeah, hey, well, I don't know if they do it. But they didn't, they didn't, what no red shirt going on in black college with I was in school. So I don't know if they, they might red shirt now, because we ain't had no money. No.

Bill said, hell, no, home ain't no red shirt. We can't, we can barely pay for you now. We doubt you can't pay an extra year, huh? Okay. he'll be 25. Okay, so now that makes sense because unless your birthday is, like normally if your birthday is after September 1st,

you have to start the next year. Okay. So Shador is 23? He'll be 24 a win. February. Okay. That's about right. That's about right. Because how old were you when you got drafted, though, Chau?

Shoot, I was 22? No, I was 19. Because I got drafted before my 22nd birthday. So I was 21 in April. I turned 22 in June. But I didn't red shirt. Now, if you red shirt, you already know you're going to be 22, 23 coming out.

And then if you come out early, you're going to be 20, 21. You know, I don't even know how old I was. I'm talking about 19. I wonder how old I was. Well, how old were you when you graduated? High school. I don't know. I don't remember.

I graduated late. I graduated somebody gave you a certificate not that not that not for attendance not that late I'm just saying I graduated hey I was bad did you have to go to summer school to graduate

yeah I was bad oh yeah I was bad I'm just being honest nigga my my focus was they might have gave you a certificate for attendance they ain't said nothing about requirements Oh I was 22 okay

that ain't bad No, no, no, no, absolutely. So when your birth, so you go turn 23, so you, when your birthday? January 9, 1968. Oh, so you turned, so you turn 20, so you turn 22. You had already turned 22. Okay. Yeah.

01 was your, oh, 1 was your first year, huh? O1 was my first year, yeah. Okay. It's so, it's so funny. You were 23. I was. Yeah, you bought a 78. I was on a 68.

The man was, hey, look it up. I think this man was 23. 78 to 20, 78 to 2001 is 23. Because I'm almost certain. I think you were there. Yeah, you were there my last year in Baltimore. Yeah, I was that the year before that too. You weren't down that team.

You didn't want to be a part of that, though, Joe. They were bad. I would have sauce y'all up, boy. Boy, please. I would have saw. That was the 2000 raven. defense. Oh, man, I, well, I don't see that.

I, listen, I didn't see them. I wouldn't have seen that defense either. They would have got, they got it. First of all, how you go get the ball? Who was the quarterback? Kidner, right? Kidner, right? Achille.

Oh, Keeley was there. Achille, yeah. He can't throw the ball on his back. Hey. He was 23 years and seven months, week one. So you was almost 24. Damn, you almost tried to pull a deal in game. No, no.

No, I have this, this and I, I got, I went when I went. Well, you went, now, you see the thing is you went to Juke. Yeah. So you went to Juco, you know, where you missed that year, when you got kicked to what, uh, Langston? Yeah, yeah, I got thrown out of Langston University. See, that's it to back a year. Now you got to go to Samoa.

Yeah, it took me three years to get out of them. And you only stayed one year in Oregon State, right? That's all the eligibility I had left. I was a one for one. God, that. Hey, I was one for one. But my back was against the wall at Oregon State. I ain't had no choice.

Either I get it done now or it ain't happening. Hey, sometimes when you force that when that's all, when that's your only option, hey, you want to see, you want to know how bad an animal or fight back in the corner. Well, who are you telling? Because I was back in the corner now. Put his back against the wall.

I don't care what you might think it is, be a chicken, be a dog, be a cat, obviously a lion, an elephant. If you want to know how bad something will fight you, put him against the wall. And you'll find out. So you're back against the wall. You didn't want to go

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where guys are based at. Ocho, I said his I said 32. I say somewhere between 28, 32. You was at 32? I said I don't see him going north of DK, but hey, plus he's a little older, Ocho, and

you don't want to be the team to set that precedent because I was reading the day of the 24 guys that's got these new deals, only one is 30 years of old, age of older when signing him, and that's Tyreek. Tyreek is unique. Because Tyreek might be the, might be the oldest, but he outrun everybody that's

every last one. So with that being said, congratulations, Terry, well-deserved, five consecutive thousand-yard season. He was second in the NFL and touchdown catches last year, behind Chase who won the Triple Crown, very, very well-deserved. I was glad the commanders came through,

reward your players that's exemplary, not only on the field, but off the field as well. I always like to see teams reward their players. They drafted, they're homegrown, you know that player, rewarded. I have a question. Can you please explain to me why management, why the powers that be always know? It doesn't take that long due to the numbers. I don't know who does the books with the commanders.

It doesn't take that long. Why do we wait until the end of the training camp, preseason passes by, and then all of a sudden you decide to pay your player two weeks before the season starts? I don't know what I'm saying. without being privy to both sides maybe he offered concessions maybe they came up a remember it was being reported he wanted north of what dk got yeah dk was at 33 so maybe he dropped down maybe a he lowered his ceiling maybe they lifted the floor we don't know without being privy to both sides of the information but at the end of the day oh cho yeah uh uh you would

like for it to be a little smoother transition or like for the things to go a lot smoother but at the end of the day isn't the job is to get the get the yes yes uh and i think he had he was dealing with an injury anyway so i don't know how soon how soon he was going to be able to practice now this gives him an opportunity gives him a couple of weeks worked some of the dust he's going to be tired he's going to be a he's going to be a he going to be tired like a one-leg man in the ass yeah because i tell people all the time on you know this you get in shape playing football. You can want all the wins brish you won't. Don't mean that ain't football because you don't got no helmet. You don't got no shoulder pads. You don't got people tugging on you and you

ain't got cleats on your feet. So if or in order for you to get in football shape, you got to play football. That's what you got to do. That's what in track and field. You don't see them doing anything else. You don't see them playing basketball to get in shape. You get in track shape by running track. Yep. You get in football shape by playing football, basketball shape by playing basketball. That's how you get in shape. And so, and I agree with you. You were talking about this like, man, I just hate when these hold out because then you run the risk of soft tissue because you haven't pushed your body and they want, they, hey, take these next couple of red like, nah, bro, let me let me build up to it. Let me build a little callous. Let me build

up to that bro. Hey, don't push me too hard too fast because groins, hamstring, quas, adductors, adductors. But I'm glad, uh, scary Terry got this deal done. Um, you know, hey, he got, he got what he wanted. He got 30 million, uh, signing bonus. Um, he was trying to get that, uh, D.K, because I think DK got 60 million guaranteed. So he was kind of looking for, hey, look, bro, you straight. You good. You're straight. Yeah, hey, that 15, you're a third round pick. If you took care of your money, this right here just to sign him on us alone,

you should be good. Even before you even get to the big money that you're going to start making next year, you should be straight. He seems like a guy that has his head on straight. He'll do good with his money, but I'm glad Washington. I always like that, Ocho.

I like when teams reward their players. I do. Guys that, you know, I mean, Cincinnati, They drafted you. They saw you. They know your work habits. They know what you do. Absolutely.

I hate, I don't like. So let me get this straight. I've been here for five years. You hard time me, but come free agency, you go get this joke in here. You don't know what you like. You don't know what his practice habits is.

You don't know anything about the guy, but you go give him a boatload of money. You see me every day busting my ass and then you hard time me about my paper. Well, that's crazy. I'm like, bro, damn. It's crazy.

But it's nice to know y'all got some money. So when I go knocking on the door next year, I don't want to hear no excuses. At all. I don't hear nothing, Ocho. But Jamar Chase is the highest paid at 40.2.50. And then you got Jetta. But there's a big gap between who's going to be able to fill that gap? Who's going to be available, Ocho, to go in between that 35 and 40?

Or who provosts over Chase? Pooka Nacua? No. No. It's going to be a minute. It's going to be a minute, huh? You got neighbors. You got Brian Thomas Jr.

It would probably be neighbors. Neighbors or Brian Thomas Jr. If anything, it would probably be neighbors. Brian Tom and Jr. might fall right up under that. Write it right up under that. But the next person who I say neighbors might get maybe 42, 43. see chase had the perfect storm because he had this in a contract year so he got the triple crown in a contract yeah so if you give him what he's asking for maybe you get him for

35 36 37 but now since you didn't you got to tackle you got to pay a tax you got to pay a they bet they bet they bet against him they bet that's what they do they they I mean it happens all the time I wouldn't. You know why I wouldn't bet against him? Because his best friend is the quarterback. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Hey, he's going to get it to him.

Yes. And he got it to him, too. Hey, hey, I'd send him a Richard Mill. I got him a pat-tech. I'd have gotten something real nice. Yeah, for sure. Hold on, hold on. Nico Collins already got paid.

I think he did. Okay, okay. Yeah, so it'd be one of the young bulls. I don't know if they get to 40, but Malik, Malik neighbors is. They might because of the time, Ocho. Think about, so he got signed this deal this off season. By the time they come up, that's going to be 27. So that'll be two years, three years.

So, hey, price is going up. Yeah, yeah. It'll probably be Malik neighbors and Brian Thomas. Yeah. And probably guess, yes. well don't you another thing is going to happen there probably be an 18th game ah that's right that 18th game gonna be here 28 i'm saying 28 yeah probably bigger piece of the pie too so hey so but i'm glad uh uh terry gets it he he's uh right there with uh garrett wilson

a j brown terry mcclor they're all around 32 million um and then you got Alman Ross St. Brown, Brandon Ayup, Tyreek, T. Higgins at 11, Jalen Waddle is at 12. So the 2019 draft third round pick has been the team's receipt, a leader in reception and receiving yards each of its six seasons. He's put together a string of five straight 1,000-yard campaigns, which is becoming the first in the NFL history to do so with a different quarterback every year per NFL research. So he's had a different starting quarterback, basically every single. still got it done he's been there he's he's put together kind of like what d hop did when yes it didn't matter who d hop but i could have been throwing to d hop and he was going going to be an all pro he had to now when he got to sean it really took him to another level

but it didn't matter if it was kath keith keeneham if it was brian hoar you if it was brought off mullin d hop ain't give a damn who the quarterback was d hop was putting it work on everybody everybody so that's how d hop made really made a name problem because he could have used every excuse man give me a quarterback like give me give me this or give me that de hops and no i got who i got but y'all know i am who i am all you had to do is put the ball in the vicinity that's it i still don't i still don't believe this man bill o'brien traded d hop for a damn running back i don't know what's wrong you're talking about you talk about a top at the time d harb was had to be top two top three yeah absolutely absolutely

Now, if I'm not mistaken. And you traded for a running back? I think he wanted to get paid to it if I'm not mistaken, right? Yeah. I mean, that's always the deal. That's always the problem. And the running back is already out of the league, and D.Hop's still going. He goes to Arizona, has a great season.

He's not the same D.Hop that he once was. But hell, who is at year 12, unless you Jerry? Yeah, right. Everybody started to slow down 12, 13, Ocho, if you're fortunate enough to play that long at the receiving position. Only Jerry was still putting up crazy at. Jared had 1,200 yards at 40. What 40-year-old you know that's going to be playing?

I mean, think about it? Jenna got to be 26. You think Jetta go put up 1,200 yards 14 years from now? Hell no. People don't realize how long that, Ocho, people don't realize how long Jerry actually played. Yeah, very. And the numbers, you've got to realize it, what was that, 97, he tore his ACL, the first game of the season, came back that same season.

He caught two touchdowns against us. The funny thing about it is his situation is probably a little different than everybody else is because he was a focal port of the offense when it came to passing the ball. He was still the viable number one option. The targets and the opportunity always presented itself. Now, most of the, most of the players just, you know, in this. day and age, when you reach a certain age and you hit 30, you know, they start acting funny with you. They would

say, they'll find somebody else, they drafted somebody. And they'll decrease your opportunities. They'll decrease your targets and they'll say, oh, well, you lost a step. I ain't lose nothing. Don't play with me. You know what they did it to him too. They drafted JJ Stokes. And the next year, who they draft, Ocho? T.

Your boy. Oh, yeah. So it happened to everybody. Hey, don't think. Don't think because, oh, you, no, no, no, no, no, no. look at their replacement they look yeah but and then T.O. put together that a monster season oh and they put together the monster season that Tio had that game against the bear where he had 265 and 20 catches on Jerry Rice Day. The bear said nah and somebody else can catch for 300 yards get 30. It won't be him you you ain't touching it. And guess what

Tio Wig went crazy Tio went crazy and as they say the rest is history but it seems to me Ocho if we're going to talk about this a little bit with the bingers is that the team has all the leverage

guys are not willing to miss a million dollars guys are not willing to miss $800,000, $2 million. Guys are not willing to miss that kind of money, don't Joe? So although they might be in the right, I have a great foundation to stand on. I need to be compensated because I've outperformed the contract. I know this, you know this.

If I had underperformed the contract, you would have released me. So I've outperformed the contract, compensate me. But very few guys are willing to risk. I wouldn't miss the whole season, probably I would come back eight games because I want to get accredited because if you missed the whole season, you lose accreditation. You don't get credit for that season. So you got to get at least eight games, Ocho, in order to get credit for the season. But, Ocho, guys ain't really trying to miss no $9, $10, $12 million. So, and so that's the leverage that the teams have and they know it. They know you're not going to miss that money. See, Jared knows. Jerry said, I'll all that all. Jerry going to go to the bank and say, hey, check this out.

I'm going to be a little slow this month. So I'll probably catch y'all in October. Okay, Mr. Jones. Because they saw Jerry just got a check for $4.32 in March. So they'll put that down the road. I can't go to my kids school and say, you know, I'm a little behind this month. Can you know, no, no, no, Mr. Chart. We're going to need that $3,000 child care.

We're going to need that $15,000 for a school private tuition. They'll give those guys the benefit of the doubt. Just like us, we're in a situation, though, Joe, that we get things from financial institutions that normal people could go do. I understand. I'm not trying to tell, you know, I'm just saying there are certain things that they'll allow us to do, knowing who we are, knowing the financial situations that we're in, they're going to be a little bit more relaxed. But guys are just, they just can't afford to leave that kind of money on the table.

And it's been going on for so long, guys are like, they fight it as long as they can. But they do hold in. But you know, Ocho, at the end of the day, like I said, I just can't see a situation where Michael Parsons is going to leave $1.3 million on the table. Hey, I don't know. Hey, because think about it, 1.3 million and Texas. Yeah, I know, but still, I don't know. Because you're going to, if you fold here, if you fold here, then that's your leverage.

Then you're not, you don't get it. Didn't Jerry tell you, we got him under contract for three more years. He has no leverage. He's not going to play with him like that. He's not going to put it. What did you? Did you see Jerry slide to the. front of his chair. When he talked to Steve today?

When somebody slide to the front of their chair, they mean business, huh? Okay. Okay. Hey, they mean business. Listen, in a conversation like that, when it comes to money and you slide forward or when you're playing video games, this is very important. I don't know you don't play video game, but the chat can attest of this. When stuff is getting serious and it's in the fourth quarter and you slide up in your chair and get closer to the monitor, it's go time. It's go time.

You mean nothing but business at that point. So I know I know Gary was serious. I knew it was serious and he meant exactly what he's saying. He wanted to make sure Stephen A. understood the seriousness of what he was saying. Yeah. We got him on the contract for three more years. So he's telling you, I got this fifth year option

and I got two franchise tags. I'm not afraid that you. That's nasty work too, though. on that's nasty work matter of fact they even mention that they even say that and no it doesn't surprise me based on some of the comments he said previously we're talking

about well just if I pay him not doesn't mean he's going to be available because he got hurt what that that's that's still that's just unbelievable do you watch have you been watching the documentary no I still ain't still ain't still like okay

in 19 and I think it was 96 when and he did the deal outside of the NFL because the NFL with Nike, he did a deal with Phil Knight and Nike and the league suiting for 250 million. Hold on. Come on. They sued it for 250 million.

Jerry turned around and countersued them for 700 million. Talking about they had a monopoly. So they was at the owners meeting. They had their Norman caught. Okay. Now, they asked Jerry to leave because they're about to talk about here. So Jerry tells the story that he gets up. He gets up and he starts to walk out because he knows he can't be a part of the meeting. He said, I know guys, you guys are suing me for $300 million and you're going to try to take my ball club. He said, I know that's what y'all going to do.

He said, but I tell you what, I'm suing you for $700 million. And if I win, I'm going to collect every effing cent. Wait, he talked, he talked, wait, hold on. He got, he got, he got, he got, he got, he got, he got, he got, he got, he got what y'all trying to do. He said, but if I win, I'm going to collect every, I don't care how long it takes, I'm going to collect every effing set. What, what is, what's the cowboy documentary on?

Netflix, man, I'm going to watch this tonight, boy. How many, how many, how many episodes? It's like eight episodes, eight episodes. Oh, I got to see that. I got to, Paul Taggleboo went for that? What you're going to do? Because at the end of the day, look, them owners, legal fees are coming out of their pocket.

That's why every time they're like, hey, the long of something goes on, litigation goes on, those billable hours. I know a little something about billable hours When you start getting up there, Ocho you start getting up there $1,500, $2,000 an hour and everything is a charge You call away, hey, how's it going?

That's a charge. They go down there and file, that's a charge. They answer a motion. That's a charge. Jesus. You in court, that's a charge. But that's a different ball game, too, huh? At that level.

See, Jerry was saying, hold on. Jerry said, hold on. I'm doing four times what anybody else is doing, but I'm getting one-thirtieth of it. No more. Oh, that's crazy. No more. Oh, that's crazy.

Look, the one thing, the NFL don't like it to that's why they kind of let this left Al alone Al said I'm Al said I'm going to L.A. No, Al, you can't do that. I'll sue you. Al said, I'm going back to Oakland.

Al, you can't do that. I'm excited now. How did this story end? How did the story end with the NFL and Jerry? Jerry is the only one that's not a part of the revenue sharing when it comes to merchandise, When it comes to that.

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It's the failures. It's the heartache. Listen to the bright side on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I believe that. that long. Trey Henderson prolonged contract dispute with the Bengals has finally been resolved. Hendrickson and the Bengals have agreed to rework the contract and will provide him with an additional $14 million, bringing his 2025 salary to $30 million. The agreement expires

after the 2025 season, meaning Hendrickson will have a chance to become a free agent and cash in on the open market unless the Bengals opt to use the franchise tag on Hendrickson next off season. I don't see that happening because you got to give him 150% raise of what he's making right now. So 150% raise is what? 33 and a half, 34 million. What's 150% raise of a 30 million?

Yeah. I had like 30. I had a stand up with exciting. I had a stand up with excitement. This is very important to me. This is very important to me. We got all hands on deck right now. I know y'all love talking trash about my bankers. Huh? We had the office of

players playing in the preseason, huh? Because we're trying to take the beginning of this season seriously. So in the back end of the season, we don't have to worry about anybody else being in control of our destiny. Or the average of the top five. Huh? Hey, Chad, you hear me? We got Trey Hendrickson sign. Okay? I know our defense was bad last year. This is a new year. We got some new key offseason acquisitions.

We have people we got in the draft and we got Trey Hendrickson coming off two back-to-back 17 sack game seasons, right? This year he's going to have 17 and a half sack season. 17 and a half sack seasons. He gets 17 sacks in the game. That's going to be a record. My bad, I said it wrong.

You know what I meant. But he's going to get 22 sacks this year. He's going to get 22 sacks this year. And the Bengals defense, listen to me. Stay with me real quick. Okay, I'm listening. I'm right there with you.

We don't need. I know my Bangal fans in here. We don't need. our defense to be top five, top ten. Just get us somewhere around 15 to 16, somewhere in that area. Middle of the pack. You need to be middle of the pack. Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's all we need. Middle of the pack. Who they? Now, I'm telling you what's going to happen. I'm going to see y'all boys in February. I'm going to see y'all book your tickets now. February. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I'm telling you now. Book it now. Book your tickets.

to San Francisco right now. I don't know who we're going to play. I know one thing. The ASC North goes through Cincinnati. The ASC. North goes through Cincinnati. The franchise tag is the average of the top five. So that might be.

Let's go. Who? T.J. Water, the highest paid at 41 million. Miles Garrett at 40 million. Danelle 135.6. Max Crosby 35. Nick Bosa, 34 million. So you get 150% raise or the average of the top five players at that position.

So he'll be somewhere around 30, I don't know, that might be about 37. Because if you add 41, 40, it might be about 36, 37. If they franchise them, I don't see that. No, they're franchising. Listen, we're not going through this again. We're not going through this. if you franchise a motion, all that money is on the cap. Because you can't, you can't pro-rate it because that's just the lumps on money.

It's not like a sign-it bonus. You can pro-rated over life of the contract, three years, four years, five years. When you franchise a guy, that's 30, whatever that is, that goes on the cap this year. That's a hard cap here. Yeah, don't be mad. Hey, listen, I'm telling you now. I know I have Ravens fans in the chat. I know I have Steelers fans in the chat.

I know I have Browns fans in the chat. I love y'all. I love y'all dearly you mean a lot to me but I'm telling you the ASC north is going through Cincinnati book it now I'm telling you right now it's going through what you call them it's going through uh Baltimore come again like it's coming again it's going through Baltimore going through 95 hold on I think check your mic something wrong with your mic I can't hear you 95 all right all right okay I hey boy listen you going to be sad you're going to be upset you're going to be upset who they who they

who they think they're going to beat them bangles who they everybody everybody everybody going to beat them big nobody all i know i was saying last year when they when they when they going to win another game when they day when they last year understand we started our season off slow. We had a little blunder. We started off slow. We start out the gate. O and two. We lost to the Patriots. There's no reason we should have lost that game. I think of not mistaken, the Patriots might have won. How many games the Patriots won last year? What, foe? I know they won one game for sure. I don't

know how many they won after that, but I know they won one game. What helmet is that? Huh, you're a Bronco. You're a Bronco. You're a Bronco. You're a Bronco. Come on. Hey, listen, that's like, that's like, you know what? I was dating this girl for two weeks and you're like, you're claiming her. That's, that's what that is. You're Baltimore, you're Baltimore presence in rain. I dated the girl for two years.

Oh, Choate, no two years. That's still the honeymoon phase. That won't even count. That's a relationship. That don't even count. That don't even count. You talk about two years, two years. You don't even know each other yet.

You don't even know each other yet. You still getting to know each other. We went to Bali. We went to a, uh, uh, uh, uh, where else we go? Now, nowhere. Norse and Caicos? No. Absolutely.

We went to the Amarfi coast. After the, Seychelles? In two years? Siebonnet. You taking them kind of trips for two years. Nah. Them the type of trips five years in, five years in. For you, hey, two years, that's red lobster.

That's red lobster. That's golden corral. Like, that's, that's you. that wave. You ain't going to know Bali in only two years. You know, I was a big baller back in the day. Who they?

Who they think they're going to beat them Bengals? Who they? Who they? Who they think they're going beat them bangles? Oh, buddy. Hey, anybody. But I'm glad Trey was, he's outperformed

the contract back-to-back season had 35 sacks and back-to-back seasons that doesn't happen very often and uh i was glad he was able to get a bump in time yes sir hey i'm sad too unc i hope we talking about this but i'm gonna let you go because i don't got the run a show in front of me but i'm sad about one of the roster moves that happened down there in tampa i'm okay we here we go fit to get we fit to get into it i'm i'm jake hofer and this is back 40 a limited series show on WIRE to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode, I'll be asking eight wide-tail hunting pros, a focused, thought-provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access? Should you, that's what

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