Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Micah-Jerry war HEATING UP + Jaylon Johnson joins the show!

Episode Date: August 22, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Troy Aikman comments on Micah Parsons contract dispute, Patriots vs Giants preseason game & Jaylon Johnson joins the show and much more! 2:23 - Giants v Pats20:31 - Steelers v Panthers24:50 - Jerry Jones back on the bull40:17 - Jaylon Johnson joins the show59:27 - Troy Aikman on Micah Parsons’ leverage   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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four total touchdowns, zero interceptions. Ocho, I told you. He's going to be starting sooner than you think. He's going to learn one thing, Ocho. What is that? Get your ass down. They come up with, them guys heavy and they're fast. He's going to learn fast.

He's going to learn very fast. But you have to understand. You say he's going to start sooner rather sooner than later. I do believe it. And that's to say if Russell Wilson doesn't play well, but I think Russell Wilson is going to be in great command of that offense, especially what the weapons he has around him. Listen, you put that ball in Uno's hands, everything ain't going to be fine.

Put that ball in one's hands, everything ain't going to be fine. I don't think there's much pressure on Russell Wilson. And if they're going to give him the job, I think Russell Wilson makes it through this season and Jackson Dart starts next year. I don't believe that. You don't think so? No. not the way this rookie played this preseason and also you see the way he move in the pocket

you see the throw that he's making oh he can move man he's nice he's nice and the what thing you and i go do we go give credit where it's due now if you play bad we're going to say you play bad but if hey but if you play good we're going to say hey man get your popcorn watch this kid i mean his command of the offense he's i mean his ability to push the ball down the field his ability he's crambling and then all of a sudden he's like oh i forgot about my black back, wham, throws it to the back. I said, you should just, you show up on a rookie? Rookers don't normally play like that.

He plays with a lot of poids. He played a big time arm, he'll throw, push the ball. I like guys to push the ball down the field. All that short fishing, you ain't going to catch no big fish around the edge. The big fish are out deep. Yeah, yeah, most of the time, especially for the rookies, you know, to get themselves in rhythm.

You get the rhythm, they'll start short, just to get that confidence. is going as opposed to taking a deep shot i remember um i think what was it maybe last week it might have been last week it was third it was third and short or maybe maybe they went for it on four down and he threw the goddamn deep ball yeah going to short for a touchdown yeah and who guess what ocho who else knows that you're a rookie that you're probably not going to push it that ball down field early and you're going to stay around the shore de-coordinators oh yeah yeah yeah yeah they're Telling their corner, they tell him the crowd it.

Sit, sit, yep. Because they're thinking like you thinking. Right. Yeah. Coach, first of all, coach, they're going to call anything. He don't want to get too exotic. He won't let him warm up. We're going to let him throw a smoke, let him throw an aisle, let him throw a slant.

Sit. Hey, bitch. They're going to go get that ball. Every time. But no, I love, I love what I've seen. I don't want to get, but I think Brian Dayball and that staff is very pleased with the production that Jackson Dart displayed in the preseason. How can you not? Four total touchdowns, no picks, basically clean look.

Like you said, Ocho, I can teach you that son. Right. Get your ass down. Get down or get out of bounds. You got two choices. You can get down or you can get your ass out of bounds. Yeah, one of the other. Or we're going to come put your ass on the car and you're going to go in the tent.

because you see what happened what happened oh joe yeah they came and got him and they put his that took his ass to the 10 yeah but look listen uh based on his play this preseason bangles i'm talking about bangles i'm just thinking about my damn mangles Giants fan giant organization the team mates they have to be very pleased yeah they are but they saw from jack and dart but also i want to be very cautious now very cautious now this is you got to understand who he was going against. Now, when the regular season starts, it's a different ball game out there, hung. Oh, for sure. It's not going to be sweet. Not going to be a, hey, it's not going to

be, oh, it ain't no vanilla. They're going to get you a lot. Hey, they go, hey, oh, they're going to get you a lot of swirls. Hey, you're going to Basket Robbins. It ain't flavors. There's coverages you're going to get. It ain't 31 flavors. There's 31 coverages. It's a different ball game. It is. It is. It is. It absolutely. The intensity picks up. The urgency picks up. The coaches, all that, hey, the coaches, they're explaining things to you in a nice calm tone. That is out the window. Yeah. Hey, and that's what, uh, uh, uh, one of the coaches told me my rookie year, you know, we still cut.

It just comes to season. That don't mean you can't get cut. Right. So, you know, sometimes guys relax on your, who, man, made it out of trading camp. Mm-mm. They'll cut you. Week one, all the way, hey, all the way through week 17. 18 even a I've seen guys get cut in the post season yeah it could be your day

damn in the post season well look here man we are a hey well look here they don't play oh Joe I look my you know what it might have been to like it might have not have been the post seat you know practice squad guy or something like that but but I'm talking about got bad guys late in the season Oh man, that's my shanna had their play that's tough it wasn't no loafing it wasn't no walking when he say hey I don't know how y'all did no show but when we change drills uh-huh oh you had to get a move on got a little pepper got to have a little pepper in your step huh nobody walks but the mailman that's why he doesn't make what

you make you run to where you got to go I like that okay I like that okay I like that all right okay some people don't understand that and that's no disrespect to the mailman hey you guys do an unbelievable job we appreciate your service although you don't kind of like with amazon and all these other carriers they uh dab did uh put y'all out of business but this kid jackson dart ocho oh yeah i like what i'm saying now i'm like you I want to see him against a real competition. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Hey, when you go, where you got to make those alignments, those adjustments. Yes. Defenses, I mean, linemen are stunting. Defense are disguising what they really want to do. Yeah, yeah.

You might think it's cover one or you might think it's cover three and all of a sudden they go to two. Oh, man, it's so. They go to quarter, they go to seven, they go to seven, they go to six. they go to six kick hey have have they go to cover five have your brain out there fried yep clouding it yeah yeah oh hey them juggles be out there banjo in it banjo in it but i hey oh because you know i'll be like i'll be trying to let hey because uh that was way they they'd be out

doing this right here that means they banjo and that means they're going to cut they're going double somebody i'm like it never really dawned on me that what the six you know i'm just i'm just out there like what the hell they're doing right right right or you know you see them do that locking it hey so i just got a kid i just got a kick out of that when people say hey man it don't matter it don't matter uh uh uh uh if you know what they do the hell you say you let me know y'all gonna be a couple five let me know y'all gonna be a quarters a single high safety a six kick the hell you say Bad please.

But Tommy DeVito, Ocho, Tommy DeVito. Yeah. 17 to 20, buck 93, three tuds. Jackson Dart came in, 6 and 12, 81 yards, a tub. James Winston came in 4-8, mop-up, 47, and a ton. Listen, we thought this might be the second team. We talk about a team carrying four quarterbacks. This might be another team that might carry four.

I don't think so, Ocho. Yeah. Because, you know why? because James is making $4 million. Russ is making good money. Russ is making how much money, Ash, 10, 15? See, it's not like Cleveland. Because what's your call?

We're only making $5 million. Kenny Pickens are making what he's making, and then you got two rookies. Okay. So what's you're saying? What's you saying? Who's the odd man out then? Oh, so he got one year 10, 5,

which is probably as much as Flacco and Pickett. making together and then you throw James's $4 million a year because I think he did two years $9 million so four and a half so you look at $15 million between two quarterbacks so I mean I mean

you think they keep Tommy well obviously you know they're not getting real Jackson dark you think they keep Tommy DeVito or they release him and try to sign it back to the practice squad probably signing back to the practice squad but I see them doing it I see them doing the same thing that that the Browns are probably going to do for some reason

I just do and then we talked about James Winston you heard you heard personnel or was that the owner that came out and said

absolutely not he's not going nowhere I'm talking about James Winston you're talking about Mayor John Mara yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

yeah he ain't uh uh great great locker room presence great team guy I knew I knew I knew James wasn't going nowhere absolutely not but 4210 you don't want to go out on a note like that but you know

Ocho you and I we talked about this early in this week unfortunately a lot of kids dreams I say kids the kid they're old enough to be my kids yeah old enough to be they younger well let me take that back they're young enough to be our kids I'm pretty sure up I'm older than most of their moms and dads But with that being said, a lot of these young men dreams come to an end tonight. Some will get an opportunity to go be on a practice squad somewhere else. Some might get an opportunity to go to Canada, play in the UFL. But for a lot of them, Mocho, the realization that this is over.

Something I've been doing since I was seven, eight years old. Did it at the peewee level, did it at the JV level, high school level, college level. my dreams and aspirations did not come through fruition yeah that's tough because this is probably the first time mocho that someone has told these young men you're not good enough think about it they've always been the best yeah they were their best on their pop Warner they was best on their flag football team their jv football team their high school basketball a football team their college and then it's a numbers game you're not good enough that's the that's the realization of ultra that's the realization of it I mean I I'm not trying to

be chat I'm not trying to be dramatic because I know what it's like to be on pins and needles that last game that last preseason game and you your name is on the board to be released matter my name was on the board to be released Let me tell you, let me tell you, what about the last preseason game? I'm talking about what we were playing. The last preseason game, I remember I would be walking in. And the person who did the cutting and letting players know as they come in the building was lippy, lipping cot. I'm not, I don't know if he's still with the bangles or not.

And I would always come in early after the preseason game to come in, hit the cold tub, hit the hot tub, get my body back, get my body back rejuvenated. and fresh, and I would see Lippy standing there right at the dough. And just thinking to myself, man, so he's collecting the playbook and let him know to go up and see the coach before the meetings even start. I'm like, man, that's tough, man. And then hard knocks, hard knocks, hard knocks made it a reality and allowing people to see people actually, you know, get cut and how that's business and how that side of it works. And it's, as heartbreaking is sad that it is,

it's the reality of the game. That's reality. We got to show you both sides. You just see the plug guys making plays, scoring touchdowns, the camaraderie on the field and the meeting rooms and things like that. But there's another side of this. That somebody, some young man, men,

their dreams, this dream is not going to come true. Yeah. And you have to reshift, refocus. A lot of it, you know, you're disciplined because you have to be somewhat disciplined to play football because you got, you know, you got study hall, you got when you work out, you got practice, when you got to be there for the playing ride, when you got to be there for the bus ride, how you have to dress. So there's a certain level of structure in a lot of these young men lives. So, you know, some, you know, a structure. is not their strong suit because they do everything they can or chill the buck against it. But most, most of these men, they do have structure because you've kind of been in the

structured environment for the better part of your life. And so it should be, you know, hey, if you go back and go into the workforce, the actual nine to five, you know you got to be to work at a certain time. You know the task that you're asked to do. You just go get it done. Yeah. But that's the, that's the unfortunate side of playing a professional. professional sport that everybody dreams of playing um and that's the thing you know for every

ocho sinko and a shannon sharp or sterling sharp or somebody that that came of the less than favorable or improvised conditions yeah there are a lot of people that came from those same conditions that didn't get an opportunity to play in the NFL ocho yeah that got the opportunity that you and i got and that was far as they got was training camp yeah that's tough man it is I think it's a good thing. I think it's also a good thing for fans to be able to see the entire process, not just the finished product on Sundays.

Right. Actually see what players have to go through. The sweat, the tears, the being on pins and needles, the pressure of having to go out there in the preseason, knowing that, okay, I have two or three games where I have to make a name for myself,

if not here, maybe somewhere else. If I don't make it here, no, that's tough. It is. Because then also, you got to do everything you want to do. You want to be perfect. And most of the time when you press

and you try to be perfect, what's the one thing you always do? You mess up. Mess up. You mess up. You can never play freely. I mean, you're at your best when you're playing freely

without nothing to worry about. Now you've got to go try to learn a new offense, a new defense. But here's the thing, Ocho. There is 2,000, 3,000. applicants for that four or five jobs how many wide receivers are going to get released how many tight ends how many offensive linemen how many running backs how many quarterbacks dbs d linemen linebackers corners safeties so you got 2,000 applicants probably got 10 15 positions

and that that goes to show how great the 1% is yeah that how great the 1% is yes you think about how many kids graduate each year from high school yeah now think about how many of those go to college to play a sport now just thinking four to five years how many of them get an opportunity to go play at the next level and said sport now you understand what you're dealing with very small there's only there's only a 53 man roster now you think about a 53 man roster of a million kids that graduated. So let's just say, for the sake of argument,

let's just say a half a million of them got or men. Right. Out of 500,000. When you realize how special you gotta be to be a professional athlete, forget, obviously there's some, you know, obviously basketball is even harder because guess what, Ocho, you got fewer slots.

Yeah. Baseball is even harder because you got few. There's only 15 spots on the basketball team, Ocho. Yeah. You only got 15, you only got 15 players. That's crazy. Think about it. You're starting office, you're starting defense.

You got 22. That's more than an entire basketball team. Mm-hmm. Baseball, you got 29. That's 24. That's 24 less than a football team. So you see as the percentage, as the players go down. Yeah.

So does the percentages are you making it. I'm just telling what it is on show. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, it's the harsh truth. Yes. It's the harsh truth. Hey, guys, it's AZ Fud.

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Steelers beat the Panthers, defense of land. himself in a potentially significant loss to Ricky first round of Derek Harmon was carted off the field with the knee injury and quickly ruled out. Mike Tomlin told reporters that he has a sprained knee and the injury is still being evaluated. I think, Ocho, that's kind of why, you know, you don't see a lot of the key guys play, guys. Maybe they just didn't voice it. But did the guys, I don't remember the coaches being concerned like that because they threw our ass out there, Ocho.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, they weren't concerned. They weren't concerned. And, I mean, listen, it's football at the end of the day. It's football no matter what. And if someone, to me, honestly, the way I think, there's someone going to get hurt, they're going to get hurt. It's inevitable.

You can't. I'm going full speed. It's a contact sport. You can protect your player. all you want. But when it's time to play football, if they're going to get hurt, they're going to get hurt.

You can't protect or stop that. You can't. Okay, I'm a hold you out of preseason. You can go out there in the regular season and still get hurt the same way. Right. So you might as just get out there and just play football.

No. Ocho, it used to be football of a collision sport. Yeah. Because you got big men running into the bigger men at a high rate of speed. That was me.

That was me. And. Merlin Olson, I think, once said, football is a lot like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors. How was a survivor? If, I don't know if you saw that, I read that article that they did, and when they interviewed, I think guys were the guys that got drafted in 1998, in 1988. Two years for you. Two years.

So guys that came in 88, their average age is about 62. Ocho all of them something hurts memory loss get agitated X Y and Z 9 out of 10 say they do it all over again people ask me knowing what you know now right yeah absolutely you think I would man please man please and that matter of fact i'm just thinking about it if i had the opportunity to do it all over again knowing what i know now i would have added some moat to it i would have added some moat little seasoning a little parsley oh man i would listen a paul taggleboo and roger goddell think I gave him hell if I not what I know now man please to be the if I could go back

and do it over again knowing what I know now I would enjoy it more oh instead of being so serious yeah I was so tunnel vision I was so focused all I thought about was Somebody taking my job, my grandmother not being able to do what she did, not being able to, that's it. I didn't enjoy the journey. I was just, I tried, but it would keep me off the destination. Yeah. I would get sidetracked. So that's what I would do different, if I could do it.

But obviously I can't. That's why they say you're supposed to live a life with no regret. I don't regret, but I would do no other. what you know now, that's the magnificent science of hindsight, is knowing today what you didn't know yesterday, is that I would definitely do it different.

But first round pick, Derek Harmon, knee injury, being evaluated. Mike Thomas said he will be evaluated. Oh, Joe, Jerry Jones just can't help himself. Take a listen to what Jerry told Michael Irvin about the Michael Parsons situation. They're in here to

make their percentage. They're in here to basically, yes, advise Michael, advise Michael, come over to the office and I'll show you exactly what I offered Michael. We've got it in the back. It's all written down, everything to go. Come down and look at that. I'll get over there and see that. I'm sure look at it. You can sure absolutely look at it.

Here's my entire point. Absolutely. My point. Who is it that basically says this is ultimately recognizing we're trying to come together for an agreement, but absolutely who is it to do that can go with? And so the facts are, I don't know that I've ever been around. I've never tried to buy anything. I've never tried to do anything that I actually was going to bring all of the services

and somebody else was going to do all the money. but because the in-between guy wasn't exactly the guy that I had fit there that kept you from doing the deal. That's exactly what's happening here. So many times in this industry.

Oh, Joe. Yeah. What you didn't hear him say is what I've been telling you. He said Michael Parsons is under contract for three more years. Oh, yeah. So that tells you,

He's under contract this year, and I got two franchise tags. I'm not afraid to use them. Yeah. He said the quiet part finally out loud. Yeah. Well, listen, he says a lot of things out loud that are supposed to remain quiet. I also heard some things that he said, listen to that. I saw a clip on Twitter, Jerry Jones, saying that David, how do he says the agent's last thing?

Mugaleta. Mugaleta. Mugaleta said he told him he could take the car. contract and show it. And I heard Ryan Clark respond to that because Ryan obviously called Dave the asked me, did you tell Jerry that when obviously he said everything Jerry is saying it wasn't true. It was a lie. And this is one of the tactics that Jerry uses. Yes. Which is one of the ways that he continues to fool fans in general, just in general. And he has everybody on their side by coming out and saying, I gave Micah a contract that was going to make him the highest paid at his

position, a non-quarterback. But Jerry, at what point do owners do deals with the player? Jerry? That's not business. Right. That's not how you conduct business. I'll show. I give your prime example.

Jerry. Just like you guys have Roger Goodale. He's the mouthpiece for the owners. Right. We understand that he works at the behest of owners right that's why I don't get mad at Roger Goodell everybody get mad at

Roger Goodell said man Roger did this Roger did nothing that those 32 owners didn't want him to do yeah when he got because y'all remember when he got mad at when Jerry got mad and Roger for suspending Zeke they had already approved his financial package Jerry held it up all the blanks that we already approved this we're not now we're not doing this Jerry Jerry said, I want to know why the man, Jerry had already signed off on it. All the owners had already signed off on it

that needed to sign off on it. Right. But Jerry got mad because Roger suspended Zeke. Yeah. Jerry held a package up. Hey, Jerry. And they used to have a big six. Jerry Jones, Mr. Kraft,

Daniel Snyder, a few other guys. they kind of that was Rogers right hand right they kind of ran the show they're all the owners you know hey 32 but you know some has a little bit more influence than others yeah a little bit more power yeah yeah yeah so I'm not surprised I don't know why Jerry Michael that's why you have to be careful see you go you went in there thinking you're just hey you doing something little leadership he started talking numbers Jared think y'all got a deal. You just think you guys talking about leadership

and, hey, what you need to do to get better. And you know what? You know what's funny? You know what the owner's going to always do? They're going to always lowball you, too, now. Yeah. They're going to always lowball you. And the fact that Michael Parsons, as smart as he may be, as smart as he may be,

when it comes to that contracts and that fine print in that language, but you don't know nothing about that. If he wanted to take the Bobby Wagner approach, Ocho, if you want to take the Bobby Wagner approach, Richard Sherman ended up doing it. Lamar and his mom ended up doing it. I think they had an attorney. Somebody read over the fine print, say, okay, this, blah, blah, blah, okay, that's fine. But Michael hasn't given no indication. Well, if that's because, Michael, I think if I'm not mistaken, I think he's been with athletes first since he came out.

Right. You know Michael's got an agent. Yeah. but you try to excuse me you tried to circumvent the agent so you tried so in other words he tried to do a back alley deal

a back door deal Ojo but you can't do that that's bad business Jerry Jerry first of the NFL is the NFL and the NFLPA's fault because Jared knows he's not supposed to negotiate contract he knows that but the NFLPA with their weak asses

allow it the NFL that's afraid of Jerry Jones because he'll sue him just like Al Davis. Wait. So they let him do it. Wait. Jerry Assue who?

The league. How the hell he goes? The same way Jared Jones is the only honor. The only thing that he's, that he's a part of the, uh, what they call it, revenue sharing is TV. He has his own merchandise deal. When everybody's with Coke, he's with Pepsi. When everybody's with Reebok, he's with Nike.

Hey, boy, he running his own program, man. That's how Al Davis used to be. And you know what, the game that he's playing right now, it lets me know because I got his fans all over Twitter too. See, see Jerry's going to make Micah the highest paid. And they really don't understand the game he's playing. Fans don't understand. They're falling forward.

So let me get this straight. Because he said, like, come on, man. How much is Miles Garrett guaranteed? So without even knowing, because at the time, Miles Garrett, contract wasn't done. Right. J. Watt, contract wasn't done. The highest pay with the guaranteed money was Nick Bosa. So you mean to tell me sight unseen.

He was willing to go to a number that's more than Miles Garrett? Right. Miles Gary got $124 million guaranteed. What was Nick Bosa's guarantee? Because at the time, because Nick Bost, so Nick Bost, did Max Crosby, then the Dale Hunter. What's the, what's the total? So 140. So Miles Gary got 140 or 160? 40. 40 a year, 124. Four for 160. Bosa got five for 170, which is about $34 million a year then, if my mouth serves me correct. Okay. I'm just.

Hey, boy, Jerry shot out by, Jerry tried to hit Michael with a little banana in the tailpipe. And you see what he does? You see what he did, Ocho? He put it out there. like you said and fans look at micah look what he got out there tvd ain't that what he says tv oh he put up a little prayer micah micah 7 8 he said even if i fall i will rise the lord is my life hey that's man micha getting michael getting biblical hey and you know it's here you know

serious when you start going to the you know to the scriptures he uh he removed all cowboy stuff from his social oh he did yeah hold on hold on i ain't i can see that look i know david i know his agent a little bit spoke to him um i don't speak to him as much now but i used to speak to him fairly a fairly decent amount this doesn't sound like him now I don't want to be, I don't want to be the one that says what a person will or won't say, Ocho, but I'm just saying in my interactions with him, he doesn't come off as that type of person to me. Right.

Jerry, Jerry is trying to sway public opinion. Yeah. Put that out there. Hey, the public, hey, Michael being greedy. Micah ain't no team, Michael's not a team player because if he's a team player, he would take this deal, leave some money for somebody else, blah, blah, blah, blah. it's working because they listen

they eating it up yep they eat it up not knowing that's the game that's the game and they don't see it that way

they just see it it's one side because if you're a cowboy fan you're a cowboy fan you're not a Michael Parsons you're Michael Parsons fan because he plays

for the Cowboys so therefore if he goes somewhere else yeah it's oh man it's crazy It's crazy. It is.

It's a game. It's a game and Jerry knows how to play it very well. Yes, because you've been playing it longer than Michael. Micah's 26, Jerry owned the Cowboys since 1989. So that ended up itself. Plus Jerry Jones has been a businessman. He knows business. That's why Micah hired an agent.

You hire people that know what you don't. And you know what the funny thing is when it comes to this kind of business with this kind of money? Yeah. It's not fair. It's not fair. And negotiations

will expose people for who they truly are and how they really feel about you when it comes to what you think your value is. Right. Well, damn, that's how you really feel about me? Well, hell, Jerry already said, already let Michael know how you feel about you.

He said, would you say in your mind? line, he said it out loud. He said, okay. Ocho, okay, what you, what y'all agree to? Ain't no ink on no paper? No. No. Ocho, did you realize at one point in time

Google tried to sell itself? Google tried to sell itself for a billion. They said, nah, we're good. I think it was Yahoo. Say, nah, that's too much. Realized they made a mistake, came back. tried the bob again and said no okay it wasn't no ink on no paper right uh who that bought you metal bought youtube who bought you google google bought youtube oh joe yeah for little

or nothing google how much youtube revenue it generates for google every 21 day just google that wait what i what i put see how much google paid to buy youtube now see how much money youtube generates in revenue and advertising google acquired youtube in 2006 for 1.6 billion shit okay 1.6 billion not google how much billion not Google how much average how much money uh Google generates an advertising revenue just in every 21 days

what the fuck oh okay how much how much you two hundred sixty five billion okay Yeah, Lee. Yesterday's price ate today's price.

Man, Google had a 96.96.5 billion fourth quarter revenue. Not the first three, the fourth quarter. Mm-hmm. that's a different world that's a different world right yep that's a whole different world now you see what I'm getting at yeah so Jerry what you thought the price was in March his name what no no contract that ain't what the price is in August September but I told you what he's gonna do I say oh Joe the problem that that he has that that's why the first thing I said get away with the franchise

tag oh yeah you you want the money to go up exponentially get away to get away to do away with the franchise tags yeah that should be that should be the first thing going first and the second should be the goddamn health uh lifetime benefits yep health benefits and then we'll work on the guaranteed contracts last but in that in that specific order you can't have free agency if somebody still controls your right I can franchise you no no but hopefully uh micca and the cowboys get this thing worked out he gets a number that he feels comfortable that he feels comfortable with and everybody is happy with

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What's up with it, dog? How are you living? Man, I'm doing great, man. How are you living? I'm good. I ain't a lot to you. I'm tired as hell. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Y'all got a game tomorrow, y'all game tomorrow or Saturday? Tomorrow. We're in KC. right now.

Okay. But y'all, man, it's, it's slow boogie now. Yeah, no, it's slow boogie. You got that steak dinner, though. I got the, I got the ideas. I didn't got out the shower and everything. I'm ready to go. Oh, you ready to lay it down.

Okay, look. The bear's defense. Ocho, we saw you guys the other night. Yeah. You guys were flying around. Offense looked really good. defense was getting after people. What have you been most important?

What has Ben Johnson coming over from the Lions? What has he been able to steal, instilling you guys? Because you guys look different. I know it's preseason, and I don't want to get too carried away, Jay, but you guys look different. You guys look different.

I think the message is different. Honestly speaking, I feel like it's one of those things where talking to him personally and listening to him in the team meetings, it's like he's one of us talking. And when he gets up there, It's not like, okay, yeah, we're going to go out here.

We're going to execute. And it's like, nah, it's just about whooping the guys in front of you, like, really, like, dominating and it's still in like your will. And I think really just preaching that, that goes a long way. Because, I mean, I feel like even in Detroit for a long time, they didn't have talented guys, but they had a lot of guys that had grit, as they like to say over there and guys that work hard that are tough and things like that.

So it's like him, that fits him. So just really coming for us. And I mean, even Dennis Allen, he's telling the defense, damn there. We live every day in practice. So just really that. mentality as far as going and playing physical is like really just honestly overdoing it really is the thing that we we think of really in in the defensive room and really what we say like total line total line between going too far and and really pushing the limits have you have you

been able to tell the difference in caleb williams the way he commands the offense uh the way he's playing with ben johnson at the helm calling the plays is he is he carrying himself with a little bit more confidence as opposed to how he did last year? Can you, can you sense that a little bit in camp? Yeah, for sure. I think really before camp coming in, of course, off the rookie year, it was tough, the losing street, the instability and all the drama that came with, of course, this first year. So, I mean, really just coming into that second year, having all that adversity really under your belt, there's really no worse that you can do. I feel outside of what happened with us, I feel like just really for him, going back to the drawing board, getting better,

and then just coming to the builder ready to work. But, I mean, for him, he's always been confident. I think that's not something that's ever going to change. I think it's just now about execution. Jay, you wanted a few vets last year that you called out your teammates. You didn't just say put it all on the coaches. You put it on players also. You say you can lead a horse through water, but you can't make him drink.

It's like, you know, some of these guys lack motivation. What were you trying to say without calling out any specific names? What message were you trying to? get across to your teammates like they're put look he's probably this coach is going to lose his job but if guess what if you guys don't pick up your play if you don't get better habits the next coach you're going to come in here he'll lose his job too yeah no that's exactly what it is and I feel like a lot of times guys getting in the league and it's oh man this coach is this and man they they're playing me and they're doing this like no it's you like for me I'm one of those guys

where it's like if we not if we getting beat on defense that means I'm getting beat individually that means we all get beat collectively as a unit it's not necessarily the scheme and not we had bad eyes and the dude we let a guy go free or i didn't win my match up whatever it is i don't think it's always fair to say now there's them some coaches that can put you in bad positions but i think for me my biggest thing was always look at yourself first and for us i thought we didn't have guys that exhausted every everything i feel like after practice that'll tell you really what you have in a team how many guys are catching 100 plus passes on jugs how many guys are working on technique how many d linemen are doing their past rushing drills how many receivers are working on releases with the dbs to me all that goes without being having to be told to you so i think for me that's my biggest thing is like now we can't call somebody else out for we call ourselves out we got to look at us and then put the work in individually and then we can start pointing the finger somewhat to everybody else i'm looking at you guys man last year you guys had some you guys lost some close games i mean you had you literally

snatch defeat from the Jones of victory. I don't know how you guys did if you had to get you guys had a game. I was like, oh bad, the Bears don't get this one. A few times. No, no. So let me ask you a question. Like, when you're on the field at Washington and you're like, man, ain't no way he could throw this ball this far.

Okay, but if he does, we go knock it down. Right. Or you see a situation where you have several games that you guys were winning late in the ball game and you end up losing. Right. How frustrating is that when a team's, young like yourself trying to win, but seemingly find ways to lose?

I know, Washington, that one still hurts me because they show it all the damn time. It's hard to run from that one. All the other ones you kind of can forget about. But I think just really in that moment, it's about maturity in having that composure. I feel like it's really just about composure. I feel like at times we let the moment get too big and the execution slips. I feel like even on a hell Mary, of course, my dog wasn't locked in on the other side. But I feel like even before that, I feel like there's some things that we could have been locked in and focused on in that moment practicing.

Yeah, y'all let that man get out of bounds through that 20-yard outright. What the hell you all that got? What? I ain't going to go. Go ahead, Jay. Go ahead, baby boy. I ain't going to say. I'm going to let you go.

But it's really just stuff like that. Even late in the game, I know we had, I think it was a close game with Green Bay before Minnesota, Detroit, all those teams. Of course, divisional games. But I think it really just comes down to that poise in the moment, that poised and executing when it comes. when it comes down to it because i mean i feel like again every team goes over situational ball it's not something that is a lack of knowledge it's just really a lack of poison execution in that moment but that comes with experience so hopefully we don't keep having those same mistakes looking at your offensive line they rebuilt the

what's what you got going on big dog this is spanos say hello spanos spanos spanos yeah that's a hell of a name for that little bitty he said hold on what you tried to say Jay what you tried to say that's all right he's going to get bigger he's going to stay that sign

nah this is it all right come on I don't know what you got going on this big the big one upstairs he had his pen he's sleep understood

yeah do you think you you see I'm an offensive line that's my point I look at what you did offensively you guys went

and got three I think three new starters to protect Caleb Williams. You draft the tight in in the first round to go with cold commit with DJ Moore. You got, I mean, Zakiya, you got guys at a Roma dudes in your first round draft team. Offensively, you guys should be better.

But you do realize, Jay, if the offense gets better, that doesn't mean you get to take a step back. You have to meet them where they are. Yeah, for sure. I think, too, for us in Chicago, we're a defensive city. So, I mean, they mean that's where we had quite a lot. That's what's up. Yeah, no, no, no, we're not worried about matching them and what they're doing.

So I think, but us just really just keeping that. That's our culture. I mean, tough, gritty Chicago ball. I mean, it starts with the defense. So we're not really tripping. I mean, Dennis, I was leading a hell of a hell of a defense. The A coached Dina. He can call a defense now.

I love me some D.A. right now. He ain't, he ain't rub me wrong yet. So I love D.A. Al Harris, of course, is the D.B.'s coach and teaching us and really showing us how to take the ball So, I mean, for us on defense, we're not worried about setting that standard. We're going to push the bar a little bit. Hey, listen, you being one of the better man-to-man D-Bs in the NFL, right? I'm going to ask your opinion on who you think the top five receivers are in the game right now.

It's been the most difficult challenge for you to cover so far. Ooh, top five. I feel like top five, you got to put some details on. Is it just skill? Are we going off production? How you want to? I mean, I mean. Like, it's kind of, it's different.

The guy you face. What about the ones you face? Let's go. Let's go all the guys you face. You could, you could take the top five based off those you face. Oh, do, do, do, do, do. I would say, no order. I would say Justin.

I'll probably say AJ Brown. I go to re-kill. That's three. That I faced. I don't know if you see I'm in Rock because he's mainly in the slot Yeah I would say It's tough because he's good

I think for me I just don't get enough reps Against him Jamar I only seen him when he was a rookie Early in the season So I haven't really seen Seen him but I would still throw Jamar in my top five for sure Um

Four Or not four or five this would be I probably either I would say Cid Lamb Okay is in my top five. I know as far as covers, I would throw Mike Evans in there.

He's definitely giving me some problems, especially early in my career. Yeah, those are probably the hardest guys on top of my top five in general. Okay, that's dope. Listen, I know you have your team goals, you know, I see what you want to do defensively. Are you allowed to tell us

any individual goals you might have for this season? Yeah, that ain't against no rules from what I mean. Okay, okay. Yeah, no, that's me. I know some people, some people don't want to disclose, you know, what their individual goals are. So, I mean, I just, I just, I'm all, yeah, no, I'm all good. I got them memorized now.

I know I want to have seven interceptions, three force fumbles. I want to have 10 turnovers. Right. 50% completion or lower than 50%. No touchdowns allowed. Hmm. And then what was my last one? What was my last stat?

I think I was like seven or so TFL's, and then it's like I'm missing one more. I think it was no more than 300 yards giving up in the season. I like that. Defensive score, pick six, scoop and score? Oh, three touchdown. That was the last one. That was the last one. Three touchdowns.

Hey, what did you do? You said what? What did you do different this year to make those goals a reality? I bought a jug machine. Okay. I bought a jug machine for show. Definitely is getting my catches in. And it's crazy because it's like being a DB, you're not really taught catching techniques

and how to track the ball, what part of the ball to track to look at. You just kind of just go out there and catch it. But it's like when I was on the jug, seeing it, kind of looking at different things, I'm like, no, you really got to see the tip. Like, you see the tip. Pause. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jay, yeah. I'm glad you caught.

Hey, yeah, no. You notice, Ocho and I ain't say nothing. I wasn't saying a word. Do you clean that up, because I'm sorry. Yeah, no, that told me that. I said, hold on, hold on, hello, hello, seeing the point, seeing the point of the football. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It helps you, it helps you catch it a lot better. You can see you can catch it. So I think for me, that's been the biggest thing, getting reps at that, and then really everything else, just always working on a technique, make sure I'm in position. But other than that, it's really just a mind, a mindset going and seeing the ball and balls

and air going to go get it. Yeah, I think the thing is that you have to think because as a db you're taught to knock the ball down you have to retrain the way you think you got like i got to go catch this ball because as a receiver we're taught you'll catch it we ain't trying to know i mean obviously if the balls go about to be intercepted we we taught to knock it down but you're more mainly taught more so to knock it down than catch it so now you have to retrain yourself you see guys they get a lot of picks you see like a like a dion or rod Wilson charred they're like no no no no no did you play wide receiver when you at any point

time did you play in high school i had a little package or something but i was I played defense. I was always a defense specialist. Because most guys, like, played quarterback, was a wide receiver or something that was a D.B. It's crazy. It's a lot easier to catch our offense than defense. I promise it is. It is.

And I don't know why, but I feel like, when I play receivers, like, it was easy. Like, I didn't really drop too many passes. But when I got to get on defense, I feel like, it's a lot different. Yeah. Because you, and you do realize on offense, when the ball's coming your way, we're actually trying to throw it to you. See, you know, when the ball cover your way, we're trying to throw to you, we're trying to throw to the guy that you cover it.

No doubt, no doubt. Hey, I got one more question. One more question. Normally, normally playing DB, obviously, I'm a huge fan. I'm a huge fan of DB play. How do you know when to take chances when you know what's coming,

based on alignment? Based on tendencies that you see watching film, how do you know when to take those chances? So basically, think about Asante Samuel on film. You already know I'm going with it. Yeah, yeah. He would always jump stuff because, okay, I know I saw this. I saw this on film.

I know how do you know when to take those chances and when not to? Honestly, I feel like it's honestly as simple as that. I feel like if you know, you know. And I'm like, if you don't, then you got to somewhat play reactionary game from there. But I think a lot of times when you, not even when you study, when you look at the game, and for me, I've learned that I've gotten older in the game. It's like the offense is based on timing and spacing. So it's like if you can understand their formations and the spacing that they're in,

and then you can get your read on the quarterback to getting the timing of the routes. Because, I mean, you're not going to get a three-step and then he's running a nine ball. I mean, he's probably not going to get the ball then, depending if you're playing off, man, at least. If you're playing off. So it's like really matching it up to where it's like, okay, if I can read the quarterback, get my three-step read, he's either got a hitch, he got a slant, and really that's about it. So I have no really no need to move. I think the biggest thing is a confidence in, I don't even say jumping in. Believe it what you see. Yeah, and taking it away. I think because when you sit

there and you see that guy running full speed and I know receivers like to work on the deception and come off hard when you're really not going deep, it's like you got to be confident in yourself to where you see it. It's like, no, I know this is fake. I'm about to go. I'm going to just wait on it and then just really go from there. I think watching more filming, like, even watching dig since we got Al over here, it's like he wasn't taking chances. He just seen it. Yeah.

Like, he would just see the quarterback. He would, I mean, he would get a good read on it. Oh, yeah. I forgot. That's your DB coach now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like. Al Harris.

Yeah, Al Harris. Yeah. You're over here with the good guys, man. Hey, man, Tara, Al, I said, what's up, man? I will. He told me he put pause on you back in the day. What kind of Paul? What kind of Paul?

These. Nah, well, he might be tripp, go turn. No, I'm playing. He had said. He had said that. I'm not playing. Go turn that film on that. Yeah.

I don't want no way. Hey, Al was nice though, boy. Hey, Jay, Jay. Yeah, yeah, I love. Hey, him and Mike Kenzie when they was in Green Bay. Yeah, the dreads. Oh, oh. Yeah, hey, Al would take a chance now.

Hey, you ready to play with Al. You remember Seattle? When they say, hey, the quarterback called heads. Oh, and we're going to score. And I'll say, no, you're not. I'll take that. That hits the other way. Yes.

Yeah, no, I love having out. It's for sure that ball mentality, especially, like, when you see three-step, like, he didn't get mad at the DBs when he ain't driving a three-still. We ain't driving certain routes when we see the quarterback. So it's all about really getting those reasons and having confidence. Right. You do realize that the corners, you guys live on an island. 100%.

It's you and that guy. It's mono-a-mono, that's the match-up. And a lot of times, you ain't got no help. But you got to have amnesia. You have to play corners, you've got to have amnesia. Because you're going to give up some balls. Guys are going to run a great route. He gets paid just like you do.

He studied, he's studying Jalen just like you studying him. But how are you able to block it out? You give up a touchdown or you give up a big play. How are you able to block it out? Like, okay, that happened, especially if it's early. Because knowing that you got three and a half quarters left to play, Yeah, I think for me, it's life. I feel like DB, playing DB for me is just another, another area of life for me as far as stuff going to happen to you early in life, stuff going to happen to you late in life.

And it's like, you still got likes to live. So, I mean, for me, I don't get too caught up in it. It's like, in a day when you live long enough, you're going to mess up and you're going to do some good things. When you play DB long enough, you're going to give up some passes, and you're going to break up some passes. So I think for me, it's really as simple as that. I think, I know Medea said in one of her movies. or in one of the movies, I got to get them more than they get me. Yeah.

So, I mean, I feel like that's really the name of the game. I think, honestly, you're just trying to not get got as many as less as you can and then get them more as much as you can. But it's really that simple. I think, too, especially when you're going against top guys. I mean, I person got a gauntlet this year with all the receivers I'm going to see it. So it's like, I'm going to enjoy it. I mean, yeah, they're going to catch some passes.

But, again, for me, as long as I win more than I lose and turn the ball over, I feel like I'll be good. well good luck this season man stay healthy thank you for joining us jay he leaving already yeah i'll at me what's up hello y'all y'all at home week one yes sir monday night you're gonna pull up huh matter of fact you know what i got to be i got to be at the sports book at riggily field on sunday now i swear forgot oh okay i got a week one i met the sports book on sunday at riggily field so i'm gonna be at the game on monday though i'll stay if you can give me if you give me a ticket i get whatever you need you just holl at me bad bad no i really got to be there

oh no no it's for things i really got to be that dead dead ass no doubt tell your people hit my people and i'll take care you we family all right bet i could come on to feeling stuff and get autographs and stuff hey man it's all it's you it's you man i talk to my people let's go i got you all right bet all right i'm a holl at y'all all right jay bad stay healthy man good luck this season man we'll chat down the road no doubt Jalen Johnson, a cornerback for the Chicago Bears. He's nice, too, boy.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, Joe, Troy Eggman spoke about Michael Parsons' leverage. His leverage is they can't win without him. Without Michael Parsons, I just don't think they're going to be able to slow anybody down. Now, what the Cowboys are going to do, you think I know the answer to that? But the longer they wait,

the price just continues to go up for Michael Parsons. Troy is no stranger to watching holdouts. Emmett held out lasted two days before Jerry came to its census. They went 0 and two. They got Emmett back and they ended up winning the Super Bowl. I think Emmett led the league in rushing that year. Should we expect the holdout? Do you foresee a holdout until Michael Parsons gets his money

or does he come in and play in good faith? Who come and play in good faith? Micah. Man, Micah ain't no goddamn fool. Absolutely not. I told you they will always use that again. if they know you're a foe because you love the game of football

they play they're playing your face all day they were playing your face all day absolutely Michael better not come back no sir no sorry especially especially with the owners come out and said and the game of the game of mind games that Jerry's

playing to publicly talk about your agent you talk about the player oh hell no I'm not coming back absolutely not well what's the point what's the point in paying him he might miss games like he did last year what that's the irk you that he said that huh yes you know how do you i'm still can't like how do you

say something like that about your play that's something that you think that you don't want to say to yourself like damn i paid him all this money and now he's on the sideline hurt you don't say that out loud you speaking stuff into existence Like, I mean, man, but y'all, boy, you're lucky. You know what? I'm going to win me some good money. And I'm going to go buy the Cowboys. You laughing.

I'm going to go buy the Cowboys and me and you're going to run it. Ocho, there ain't enough lotteries being played for us to get enough money to buy the Cowboys. You never know, you never know. Never, never say never. That why that's, Ocho, that's tied to his whole identity. even when he dead and gone. Former Cowboys owner Jerry Jones. So,

die. Hey, we might can pull our pin it together and get something that get it on something else, Ocho, but the Cowboys ain't it. Look,

that's something that you sit down and talk with your agent, how well you've done with your money, that you can withstand, $20 million. So that's basically a million dollars a week. He'd be stepping away from. Oh, you need got to step away. You can stay right there.

You stay right there. He ain't going to play in the games? No. Well, if you don't play in the games, you don't get paid. Back spasm. That's all right. He hurt. He's in.

He there. He's under contract, right? Yes. Okay. If he shows up, oh, my back hurt. I can't play. Y'all want to play game. He can play games.

Oh, he going to get paid. That, uh, boy, that'd be an ugly situation. I mean, Jerry, make it ugly. I can't say I disagree with you. Oh, I mean, he, I'm, listen. Jerry wanted to play a hardball. He does. But hey.

I don't know why Jerry, I don't know why Jerry does this. I don't know why he wakes the week before the season. We saw it with CD. We saw it with Dak. We see it with Zeke. he Emmett missed two games. The difference was Emmett didn't have a contract. See, Emmett did not hold out.

Emmett didn't have a contract. At all? At all? No. Oh, okay, okay. So, so, uh. Yeah, I'm just thinking about that, man. Man, boy.

Wow. Ooh, we. Boy, if I own the Cowboys, I'm telling you, boy. Well, we have a Super Bowl every year, but I'm spending everything for everybody. Um, we need to start playing the lottery then.

I'm a start. And they don't have, they don't have a lotter out here in Vegas because they got casinos. They don't want you playing the lottery. They don't want you to go to casino. They don't want you double dip, huh? Mm-mm.

They don't want anything that's going to take money out of casino pockets. Okay, okay. So. Yeah, the Cowboys fan, they deserve, they deserve, they deserve this, man. They deserve a reason.

They deserve misery. No, no. Pain. Oh, okay. You remember what clubberlade told Rocky? They say, what do you see for a man, Mr. Balboa? Pain.

Damn, man. That's what, it's tough. It's tough because Michael's been an all pro. He's been defensive rookie of the year. He's been all those pro boes that he's been to. And Jerry has compensated him from that. Now he's saying, Jerry,

I've outplayed that contract. Based on what I believe I'll be the next four to five years, this is what I need accordingly. Now, maybe it was he's going to make him the highest paid. Now you've got to make him the highest paid again, which is more than what T.J. Watt got. More guaranteed money. So he said, I'm going to, he said, Michael said, I need like 150.

Uh, what? I mean, I tell you what, you know what? I'm nice. 135, guaranteed. I need like 180. I need like, I need like, four years, 220. Hey, you know what's funny when I think about it too? And Jerry think he slick, trying to make it seem like he was going to pay Michael

Parsons and have him the highest paid. but it was before Miles Garrett contract. It was before T.J. Watt. T.J. Watt. It would be four. And before your guy, Chase. Back Crosby. Yeah.

Before Chase. So it wasn't going to be in the 40. So now, hey, bro, that thing at 42, 43. It wouldn't have been no good. Per. I mean, it would have been good. No disrespect to those that are watching. I'm just saying in terms of the type of player in caliber,

which Michael Parsley could be paid. It wouldn't be no good. And he young. baby they're 26 baby that's crazy man 26 years of age yeah i need all that year i'm sorry i need i need i need go i tell you what jerry hey five give me five for 250 damn five or 250 i want but 100 i want but 140 150 guarantee oh so the 250 just just to make it look good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't care about the guarantee. I tell you what, Jerry, you give me five for 500 million, but I need 150 of it fully guaranteed. Okay, I like that.

I don't care about that fluff. You say they put all that, you see all the plate that, the plate be all designed. They got all that stuff drizzle all like that. Does it taste good upon what's up on all that drizzle? Does it taste good? Yeah. All that fluff I see. How much money is guaranteed? That's all that. Hey, uh, That's all that matter. That's all I need to know. What I'm going to see. Ah, come on.

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