Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Shedeur Sanders Injury + Michael Penix Jr THROWS HANDS at practice

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Shedeur Sanders injuring his Oblique and possibly being out Sunday, Kirk Cousins has looked really good in practice, & Shemar Stewart hits Joe Burrow in practice and starts brawl and much more! 03:10 - Shedeur Injured31:40 - Raheem Morris pleasantly surprised by Kirk Cousins play37:30 - MPJ involved in practice fight46:15 - Shemar Stewart and Joe Burrow throw hands50:50 - Jerry Jones still pissing fans off52:50 - Cam Heyward1:02:55 - Cam Ward believes Titans has Top 5 receiving core (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Shoulder suffered the oblique injury during the throwing drill early in the Brown's joint practice against the Eagles. Joe, how concerned are you about should do or rise to be QB1 if he doesn't play on Saturday? I'm not concerned at all. I'm not concerned at all. For one, he's not going to be quarterback one. We know Joe Flacko is going to be the starting quarterback week one against the Bengals when they do play. So I'm really not worried about that.

I really don't have any concern because now come Saturday when they do play, if I'm not mistaken, Dylan Gabriel, and I'm not sure if Kenny Pickett is playing, now they get an opportunity to show, you know, what they can do. We've seen the small sample sides of Shador Sanders with the ones for a short period of time, the two to threes, and the fours. So we know what he can do. We saw how he played with the lights are on, with the pressures on, and the bullets are flying for real. We haven't seen what Kenny Picky could do as a Browns player. We haven't seen what Dylan Gabriel can do. So they deserve their opportunity to play when the lights are on.

And the game is somewhat meaningful as far as buying for a position on that team. as far as Sodor goes, he showed what he can do. So him being injured, being able to take the time off and be ready for week three, whichever preseason game that is, I'm all fine with that. So you think he's shown enough? For me, I don't see how they keep four quarterbacks.

Somebody's going to have to get released. It's really that simple. You're not keeping four quarterbacks because the positions are too valuable. And none of these guys play special teams. Right. So with that being saying, maybe Dylan Gabriel can hold,

maybe Kenny Pickett can hold. I don't think Joe. flat codes ever held at least not why he was in the league i'm sure at some point in time maybe uh in college he held or something like that but it just i don't know if he's done enough right uh you know people say well he's done enough he's shown what he can do yeah well that's not what the depth chart said the depth chart said he was still q before yeah listen i honestly i think politics plays a part in it but obviously once his opportunity when the opportunity presented itself for him to play when Kenny Pickett and Dylan Gabriel were hurt,

right, he rose to the occasion. He rose to the occasion and looked extremely sharp, had some great plays, you know, outside the pocket, in the pocket, you know, it was calm, he was poised. And I'm sure anyone with common sense, a GM, a scout can see the way he played, and no, this is a quarterback that deserves, not just a chance to be on the team, but a chance to start, a chance to compete for the starting position. So now, with that being said, nobody, nobody on the other 31 teams, Washington-Dor Sanders, play that night and say, you know what, he deserves to be

quarterback number four. Nobody, nobody at all. So now, if they believe so much in Kenny Pickett and Dillon Gabriel to be quarterback two and three, now they have their opportunity Saturday to prove why they should be. I don't know if, I don't know if Pickett is practiced yet. Stephansky said, I think it was yesterday or day before that he was still dealing with some tightness, so they want to be careful.

They want to be cautious with it. I don't know how much Gabriel has played, has practiced since his injury. But look, they got Snoop Huntley on the roster, and they brought him in last week once these other two, they realized

that Gabriel had got Nick and Pickett had been out for an extended period of time. With all that being said, this is kind of my worst fear, because if we talked about it last week, and I said, I should hope he can consolidate it. I hope that he can put back-to-back games together, Ocho. And now it's like he played really, really well in one game, and now he's Nick, and it looked like he's going to miss the second game. And then the third game, you know, like, obviously Flacco is probably not going to play.

But I could have seen an envision a scenario that they probably would have released Flacco. no no and with the other guys no no absolutely not you know that's not going to happen that's not going happen with your experience in the NFL as long as you've not only played but been covered the NFL you know they're not going to start with the young bucks they're not trying to win ocho huh you're not trying to win you say that you're not trying to win they're not they're not well oh talk to me and like me so you're trying to win you're trying to win you're go get, you go get Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett. Those are your choices.

And you take Dylan Gabriel and then you take Shador Sanders in the seventh round, a fifth round. Well, hold on. What other options did they have? They had no other options. So there were no other quarterbacks available other than Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett. Well, what quarterbacks were available

that can actually put the Browns over the hump right now and compete in the AFC North? Was Justin Fields available? I think he was already going to New York, huh? He was already going to New York. He wasn't gone before a free agency started. Okay, give me, give me, give me, give me, you know, you know, okay, you knew James, you weren't going to bring you. Okay, you had, you weren't going to bring James back.

Okay. Right. So you know that you don't wait to free agency start. You're starting this. You're looking at free agents, not only others, but your own free agents. And you're getting an idea. You're trying to put this puzzle together, who we would be interested in, who might be interested in us who are we going to try to resign right who are we okay with them moving on right so for me when you got an 18 year vet a guy that really hadn't shown you that he could i mean he'd been at two stops oh joe wait a minute wait a minute a guy that has shown you when dashed got hurt he came in and went on a five six game winning streak for them until the bottom fell out so So you know what you're getting with Joe Flackle, right?

So you know the bottom is going to fall out, right? I mean, at some point, and that's where your number two comes in play. That's where you come play. And once your number two comes in play, you stick with him, and that's who you ride with for the foresee of a future. But there are things that even though Joe Flackle was playing well, he turns the ball over and a lot. Yeah. He turns the ball over a lot, pigs and fumbles. Yes, sir.

And that's what bites him. Pickett I was never I was never sold on Kenny Pickett right Pittsburgh wasn't sold on Kenny Pickett didn't he go to he went to Philly last year where was he last year Philly he wasn't Philly I think it was the back up another back maybe third string I'm not sure or who is the second he might have been well McKee is the second now okay so Kenny might have been the second string quarterback probably he went in when Hertz went out um but McKee obviously they felt very comfortable keeping McKee um and he looked

He looked well in the duty and the role that he came in on Sunday last week. He looked really, really well. It's just hard for me to see a scenario, Ocho, is that they keep four quarterbacks and two rookies. Now, you run the risk if, like, if you release one of the rookies, somebody else sign them. Now, probably they're only going to sign. Right.

If you sign them to your active roster. Because, I mean, why would you want to go and try to learn a new system when you spent OTAs, you spent many camps, you spent training camp learning this system. Why go somewhere else? Start behind unless they're going to put you on the active roster. Now, if they're going to put you in the 53 man active roster, well, I totally understand because there's a substantial difference in pay.

But unless they're willing to do that, it doesn't make much sense for me for you to go to one practice squad to the other practice squad or if they release you. now it's you know you get to I guess you get to decide well well we really like to sign you back do you go back with a system that you're familiar with Ocho or do you move on and try to learn a new system and say well I think over there might be better suit might be better situated for me or I might be better suited to be in that situation over there as opposed to currently here what's your take what do you think about that I can see how it plays out I'm telling you I can see it I can see it listen I'm not in the Browns organization I'm not there in a locker room I'm not there on the practice field

but from what I know about the game from the outside looking in and just being around the game in general I know exactly how it's going to play out based on what Shador did in the first preseason game to be able to come out and do that with a limited amount of snaps that he was

able to play. Joe Flacko is back and they brought him back simply because he knows the offense. He knows the system. And we know what he, we get from him if he's in there. At some point, things are going to go disarrate. The bottom is going to fall out at some point. Who's going to be our number two quarterback that's going to be able to step up and take things on from that point for the foreseeable future for our franchise? Jalen Hurts gave Shador Sanders a ride on the golf cart after Sanders injured his oblique during practice. Uh, they, he spoke on this conversation with Sador, Shadour saying he came to me and wanted to talk.

I'm always there of giving my perspective on what I see and how I've gone about things. I'm supporting him from where I am and wish him nothing but the best. Hmm. And I, I get it. I mean, you know, uh, you know, Jalen, I mean, the maturity that he displays, you would think the guy's been in the league 10, 12 years. That's right. And he's only been in the league.

what about six years himself but the way he goes about his business the way he handles his business the way he he he his perspective on a lot of things right he doesn't get too high he doesn't get too low he's very even keel um guys rally around him um he comes off it's very authentic i believe he's very authentic or her lane johnson talking about him he's the same day one as he is right now he's just gotten more efficient and better at what he's doing right but he's still the same guy nothing about him has changed or deviated from when he walked into this locker room as the second round draft pick and that's what you could appreciate circumstances has not changed this young man super bowl MVP this that

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That's exactly where I was going with it. Now, obviously, Jalen's opportunity didn't come until they were already in season. Well, hell, preseason matters most because right now you're trying to make, you trying to earn a roster spot. They had gotten on the depth chart and not give you the adequate reps that you need, especially with the ones or the twos. two players get hurt the opportunity to present itself

when the opportunity presented itself how did he look how did he look good he looked really well he looked very good he looked really well he looked really well in command of the offense and commanded the players he looked like a leader looked like he's been doing it for five or six years yes he looked very poised

like so again now it's a quarterback competition his oblique is hurt next man up now is Dylan Gabriel's turn If Dylan, now, if I'm not mistaken, if Kenny Pickett's not playing, Joe Flack with not playing the second game, now Dylan Gabriel gets to play most of the goddamn game until Snoop Huntley comes in in the fourth quarter, similar to what they did last Friday.

True, true. Now, now, now, we will see. We will see. Because Kenny Pickett, not getting snatched now, but we still know what we got from Kenny Pickett when he was in Philly. We know what we got from Kenny Pickett when he was in Pittsburgh. Right. It's hard to evaluate him when he was in Pittsburgh.

Philly because he didn't really get a whole lot of playing time. He was a backup, but we did see a large sample size of him when he was in Pittsburgh. Okay. And listen, no disrespect to him. And in a three-year span, is all of a sudden now going to be the year that something has changed miraculously? Well, seems to the Cleveland thought so because that's why they signed him in free agency. Well, you know, the quarterback's going to always get opportunities, Dunk. You know that.

They're going to always get opportunities over and over and over and over. either as a two as a three or sometimes a four not very many teams carry a fourth quarterback but it will always get an opportunity yeah I just damn man

I mean it seems like he can't catch a break I mean I mean do you know how many quarter I Tim Couch Detmer

Wynn Peterson Holcomb Garcia McCau Delphor, Fry, Anderson, Dorsey, Quinn, Manzel, Hoyer, I mean, Whedon, Wallace, Holgan, Taylor, Mayfield, keep, it just, it goes, it continues on and on and on and on. So, I mean, how they can just be so proud about, well, this individual looked a certain way in preseason, but we still want to keep them forth on the depth chart. I mean, anyone that even looks

Depart, you should be biting at the bit about it at that position that you haven't been able to find success at and who knows how long. Yeah. And I know. It's been an extended period of time since they found a starting quarterback.

Yeah, I mean, people are going to say, oh, it's the preseason. It doesn't mean anything. No, but it doesn't mean something. Because before a wedding, you have a dress rehearsal, don't you? Right. Yeah, you have a dress rehearsal. What happens to the dress rehearsal? whether it was the twos or the ones.

It doesn't matter. Let me ask you a question. If he didn't want out there, if Shadur goes out there and throws three picks and fumble the ball, would they have said it doesn't mean anything? Or that would say, see, that's why they took him in the fifth round.

You see he plays well. It doesn't mean anything. He doesn't play well. It means everything. We see how this goal. We already know what was being written. Right. We already know.

So he played well. That don't mean anything. he doesn't play well it's everything i think for a rookie quarterback it means a lot because this is first time getting NFL action this is the first time that he's going to go against people that's out there trying to unless you're the number one unless you're a high draft pick but you know should do her that they're competing against guys too they don't want that look in about two weeks 30 guys per team about a thousand guys on Got to go.

Their dreams, their football dreams will come to an end. Yes, sir. A lot of these men have been dreaming for this moment, their entire lives. And now they're going to have to do something else. Maybe it's coaching. Maybe they put that degree. Maybe they're a teacher. Maybe they're financial.

Maybe they're personal trained. Whatever the case may be, they go out into the real job world, a nine to five. Look, I don't, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with a nine. to five. Because I know y'all, y'all try to, y'all take everything and try to run with it. What I will say is this, for about a thousand plus men, their dreams of playing in the NFL will come to an end. And then what is your backup plan? What is plan B? Because plan A failed. Let me take that back. Plan A wasn't the success. So now you're either going to have to try to like okay hopefully somebody picks me up on the practice squad and i try this thing again or i'm like

you know what probably you listen to what the guys what maybe you listen to what the gym say right says you know hey son i we think you got talent but we just got we we kind of just stacked at that position where you are and uh you know i i i we think you can play in this league but just right now we just think it's better that, you know, we give you an opportunity to go someplace else. That's the reality of it, Ocho. That is the reality of professional sports. Sometimes your dreams, what you dream,

and maybe it was your dream to play from junior high, JV, to varsity. And then you go to high school and say, man, if I can please play college, and then you say, man, if I can just get an opportunity to play in the NFL, maybe that was your dream was to get into a train to go to OTAs and many kids.

camps and training camps playing the preseason and that was it maybe that was it right but some you know like I said it might not happen this year you might have to have a delay success where it doesn't happen this year but it happened next year and it might be two or three times don't show you a but I think you know you know give yourself an opportunity say you know what I'm going to keep training. Maybe somebody calls me back, put me on the practice squad, and I might be going into a situation where I don't know the plays, but I definitely be going into a situation where I'm in shape,

as in shape as I can possibly be given that I will not have played football in a week, two weeks, maybe even a month. That's what you can hope for. But that's the reality of professional football. Now, obviously, it's not that many basketball players. I mean, but you look at 30 teams and they're 15 players for a roster, so you look at at 450. Yeah.

They're going to cut double that. Ooh. Because you think about, Ocho, you got 80. You got 80 on the roster. Right now. And you got to get down to 53. You got to get down to 53. And you got to bring, you get back, you get six.

But you get by, you get by 20. You can put by 20 on the practice squad. 20? I think so. How many practice squad players get it got? I think it's a high number. This is a high team, so, oh, that changed then. Oh, yeah, been changed.

Yeah, I didn't know that. I had no idea. I had no idea. Okay, okay, okay. 16. 16? Okay. So you get 16. Well, if he's an international player, he can be 17.

So, uh, dope. That's dope. Yeah. So, so with that. that being said, don't you like a lot of these. So at first you had 90, then you get down to you go to Cal with 80. Yeah.

And now you, that's 27. So you're releasing 640, 7, yes, with 30 times 20. So think about how many players you're actually releasing. Right. Hey, but, um, man, you know the definition of malpractice. Yeah, I know.

the malpractices yeah absolutely those that are in positions of power that make the calls at that organization i think everybody needs to be fired if they don't get it right this time they do because enough is enough 35 different quarterback positions and you have to find success in having one for a decade you haven't had the luck of the green I do give my A for effort they keep trying but come on now I mean Ocho if somebody would have told you given what you know a 26 year old D'Shawn Watson in his absolute apex prime right if somebody would have told you that it wasn't going to work you wouldn't have believed him he had just led the league in passing just led the league in passing now obviously there are other circumstances but and then he gets

injured uh what was his uh he turns ACL then he messes up his we messed up his shoulder I think first and then it's oh no no this is Achilles it was his key leads and then he re-injures that so that's I think that's where because they thought they had the quarterback for the next decade yes I thought they had their quarterback for the next decade same same nobody would if you go back and look at Deshawn Watson when they made this there's no no Deshawn Watson is not out of your top 10 as a matter of fact a lot of people probably had them in their top five so and we had never seen a quarterback this young in his prime that's not injured be available be available never they never come available not in

their prime even Brady became available but he wasn't his prime Now, he still played well, but Brady was not going to be available in year six. Peyton Manning was not going to be available in year six. Aaron Rogers, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Brett Farr, Joe Montana. They're not available in year six. Deshawn Watson was available in year six and his absolute prime. So they thought I give them the utmost credit because they traded an awful lot to get him. And that's what you have.

What would a team trade to get their hands on a Patrick Mahoney? or Joe Burrow or Josh Allen you trade an awful lot yes you would or Lamar Jackson you would absolutely so with that being said I give them credit now they gagged on a lot of other ones too but I can't say that they get I mean it looks like hindsight because it's a magnificent science because we have the luxury of knowing today what we didn't know yesterday right but at the time they're like oh yeah perfect now you look at what they turned that into you know they probably got uh uh will lannison junior and they got the high lives of uh nico collins or

and some of these other drag you're like well it worked that well yeah absolutely but absolutely i just something something is i just can't put my hand on it i i wish i wish that should do it was healthy and was playing in this game because it would crystallize things a lot for me, Ocho. It really would. Well, honestly, things are going to crystallize themselves regardless, huh? Even if he doesn't play in this game. Him not playing in this game,

obviously could be a blessing. You got three injured quarterbacks. So how did it crystallize you got three injured quarterback? One has an oblique and two guy hamstrings. So how does it crystallize? Gilling Gabriel is playing this weekend. Dylan Gabriel is getting this opportunity to play. How long?

You know hamstrings. You know how they are. Okay. How about this? Okay. If Shadur looked that way in the first preseasoning game, right? Yes. And Dillon Gabriel plays this week and doesn't look as good as Shadur did.

Well, Shadur did play against the same caliber talent that Dylan Gabriel. I'm just preparing you for what they're going to say, Ocho. You see? You already. to know what they're going to say, too. You can't deny. You can't deny what's for you. No matter how much they try to stall the process on what's to be,

it's going to be regardless. Yes, I agree. It's going to be regardless. Agreed. They can play the political game all they want. They can play merry-go-round with the quarterback situation, all they want. Hadn't come out and say, this is not the quarterback I wanted. but Andrew Barry, when all is said and done, will look like Einstein.

He can look like Einstein. He just is. It is. You can't. You can't deny it. I don't disagree with you. I don't. But it's just hard to compete in that division when you got two of the

best quarterbacks into two of the top four quarterbacks reside in that division yeah now you put them in when you say okay give me your top five quarterback it's going to be my homes borough josh allen and lamar jackson those other four two of the four that i mentioned reside in the afc north so if you want to win that division and you want to be competitive year in a year out you're going to have to find a way to beat those two quarterbacks yeah and listen hold they're going to be there for an None of those quarterbacks are 30. So you got to deal with them for the next five to ten. And you also have another, and I don't want to discredit him.

I know he hadn't looked good the past two years, but you don't have, there ain't no slouch down there in Pittsburgh either. Right. The only thing you're not going to have a deal with him for another five to ten, but you're right. Yeah. But you're right.

So I just don't, I just don't. I don't know what Joe. Listen, I'm excited to see how it turns out. I know football is back in 22 days, if I'm not mistaken. I think I got my numbers right. And I want to see who's going to be quarterback number one for the Cleveland Browns. I want to see.

I know how it's going to play out. I know Joe Flackle going to be the starter. He's the veteran. He's the veteran. We know what he's done when he was at the helm. He went on a five, six game run. it was phenomenal. Right.

I also saw what Shadur did when he got his opportunity, despite being low on the depth chart. Now we get to see what Dillian Gabriel can do this Saturday. I don't even know who they're playing. Who are they playing Philly? Yes. Huh. Okay.

Chat, we know we're supposed to have David and Joko. We believe he's kind of falling asleep. And so once we can get him awake, we'll definitely, we'll definitely, definitely break him on with you guys. They had practice day, huh? Yes. Oh, yeah. And we know what time it is.

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Rahim Moore seems to be pleased with Kirk Cousins play. Those surpassed by Michael Pennix Jr. on the depth chart, Rahim says he's been really good. You're talking about going through the progressions and actually throwing the ball wherever you need to throw it? Obviously, he has the ability to come out, up the pocket a little bit better than this time last year coming off a significant injury. That's dramatically improved.

Like, it improved throughout the season. But I really love where he's at from a communication standpoint with Michael Pennix, Jr. And from its coaches, Ocho. Yeah. Is there a quarterback controversy brewing? Where? In Atlanta? Absolutely.

Come on there. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Listen, I'm not there to see, but I do see all the plays being made that are posted on social media on Twitter. Every time I look up at Drake London making a play, well, hell, the same quarterback's throwing the ball every time I see something. When training camp first started, all the plays I see Kyle Pitts and they're talking, he's talking to the media about the connection between you, between Pennix and Kyle Pitts has been different. You know, this, yeah, he's my security blanket. We want to make an effort to get him the ball.

So now this is just a second week of training camp. How is this even a story? I have no idea. But we know who quarterback number one is. Yes. It's not an issue. It's not an issue at all. He's shown what he can do when he got in last year.

His opportunity is now. There is no issues at that position. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, obviously he's coming off an Achilles injury, so obviously he's a year removed from that, the injury. Now, Cousiners has never been fleet of foot. Nobody's ever going

to confuse him with Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen or Justin Fields, one of these mobile quarterbacks. No. Russ and his prime, nobody's going to confuse him with one of those. But to have a little bit more, a little bit more mobility

than what he had last year, because he was already, oh, Joe, damn, slow. Now you're coming up in Achilles? injury where you going right no well i wouldn't pay i wouldn't play anything but a couple of five 22 man under you ain't going nowhere where you going where is he going right nowhere yeah we know what he can do oh he can throw it now you give him time he'll pick you apart pick you apart like a like a surgeon oh yeah he'll pick your part now you he's surgical with that ball now yes yes yeah you get no you get no denying from me yeah but uh yeah they can't they can't they can't they can't go backwards

once you once you once you go move on to your young gun they sticking with you ride it you ride it out and you got to say all the positive phase oh he's good and hopefully hey hope that's another Cleveland could have traded for cousins yeah yeah but see if oh cho they'd love it bad man i can't i can't i can't find me if you look hard though you can find it hey man no jobs out here hold on what type of job you're looking for right say you heard what you just said what kind of job you're looking for just because they could have traded for him doesn't mean he would accept it said trade you know you know that probably he has no trade that you know they conversate exactly he has no trade they're

conversations when it comes to quarterbacks in NFL and choosing where they want to go. But I think the skill position players, they don't have a choice. They go where they trade it to. Quarterbacks?

Let me ask you this, Ocho. For a chance to start or be a backup. That's a good question. That's a good question. Now, depending on who you are, well, hell, if you're on the goddamn trade block, I mean, you ain't really got no power to say, whether you want to start or not.

Because if you are who you thought you were, you wouldn't be getting traded in the first place. So I definitely think that's a situation. Look, like you said, you know what cousins is. Yeah. You protect him. He can pick you apart. He's not going to make a whole lot of plays off script.

He's not going to get, he's not looking to get outside the pocket, the tackle box. He's looking to be in that phone booth. He's not going to be hard to find. he's going to probably be about 9, 10 yards deep and probably in a 7 yard window. That's where he's going to be. He doesn't have the strongest arm,

but he's very accurate because he has great anticipatory skills. He's maximized his ability in the NFL. If somebody would have told you, seen him in college and watched him, like, okay, maybe a bad career back up. But he's parlayed that into tremendous success. But I think, I think this is Rahim trying to try to build him up.

So, hey, man, this car, hey, run like it did when I first bought it, Ocho. Yeah. I know, look, here, me, I know it's 30 years old. Right. But it got low mileage on it. As a matter of fact, I ain't even driving, but a couple of times all last year. Knowing, knowing that soon as you get it around the corner. You have to call a tow, you're going to have to call a flat man.

to come get you that's why I ain't been driving it right so uh that's a good one michael pennies junior is involved in a practice fight ocho versus the titan after connecting over deep pass to wide receiver ray ray macloud the third pinnics changed heated words with several titans defenders the trash talking quickly escalated into a physical altercation prompting players from both sides to rush to field pinnics ended up in the center of the scrum and appeared to be slammed to the turf also as a teammate Do you salute Pinnick for showing he isn't scared to defend himself? Or do you tell it, bro, you know, don't, no, no, no. You tell him, that's what do you want?

Yeah, Pinnock got that dog in him. I like that. No, you don't, chat. Don't listen to Ocho. Man, I mean, I ain't trying to hear all that. I want a quarterback that's just as fights as everybody. So Joe Burr throws a punch and breaks his hand. You cool with that.

They say got into altercation. They say, nothing about throwing no punches. He was slammed to the turf. Did you hear that part? Let me repeat that. Pinnix ended up at the center of the scrum and appeared to be slammed to the turf. Did you hear that part?

I don't think he wasn't slam. You know, when things are written, when things are written, when things are written, they're going to exaggerate, they're going to make it sound like it was so bad. Wasn't it on, what they didn't show them? We have, please show me. No, we're not going to show nothing.

We're absolutely not going to show it. Ask, sent it to me, ass. I guarantee you they didn't pick him up and slam him to the turf. I guarantee you that didn't happen. For one, even if you're an opponent and you're in a joint practice, there's not one defensive player, the joint practice against the Titans, right? Yes.

There's not one player on the defensive, I mean, on the defensive side for the Titans that was slam-pinning Jr. Whether mad or not, they just not. I disagree. So let me ask you a question. In the Jets, in the Geno Smith situation, what happened? Was that a defensive player that punched the quarterback? Yes or no.

Wait, and Geno Smith? What happened? When he was in New York. But go back and Google. I'll let you Google it. We don't need to rehash that. So this notion that people will contain themselves when they get upset. It's just not true, Ocho.

You know that and I know that. Especially because I don't know Penny Jr. He on Atlanta. I went to Titans. But you're also looking at him. He's not Lamar. He's not one of these other. He's not one of these top black quarterbacks.

They don't hold him in high regard like that. even if they don't hold him in high regard because he's not the top five quarterbacks in the NFL. Defensive players, the ones, I'm sure it's ones on ones, they still respect him and are not going to try and hurt the quarterback in a joint practice by slamming him. They're just not, even if they're mad. Michael Pinnock Union speaks on the fight,

say he threw a deep ball to Ray Ray McLeod and celebrated. I'm from Tampa. I'm from Dade City. We're all about playing. We're all about competing at a high level. But when disrespect comes in, it's like, all right, this ain't football no more. They had a lot of words on practice, so I gave them some word. Yeah.

Because the Tennessee Titan players were talking trash yesterday. I saw the clips yesterday with the Tennessee Titan players talking trash. And boom, offensively, pinnics and Ray, Ray, offensively, collectively as a group, they must have got in a day, you know what, did they? They're just a little, little friendly trash. So, Uncle, you know, you know how them joint prices. I've never seen no quarterbacks get into it. The quarterbacks moves away.

They don't do no talking. Yeah. Because it's too risky. Too risky. I got you. I got you. But your quarterback, Carson, would have done something like that? Yeah.

Yeah, Carson Feisty, boy. Carson Feisty. Man. I'm just, I mean, maybe I just played a different era. Hold on. The era I played in quarterbacks didn't get involved and stuff like that.

It's too risky. You know who would do it? 12. The greatest quarterback of all time would be right in your face. Yeah. But yeah. I mean, he's, he,

ah. Yeah, I mean, I saw, I saw my own eyes. But I understand what you're saying, but I'm not even there. I'm not even at the joint practice. But did y'all have, they didn't have,

had them like that back then when you was playing. Yeah, he was. We had them with the Saints. Me and Mike, remember Mike McKenzie? Yeah. Or me and Mike McKenzie had a, oh, we had a ball like that boy.

It was somebody else we had joint practice with. We had a lot of fights, a lot of fights, and it never comes, it's never fist. It's always just grabbing, and then everybody, it's just like one big scrub.

It's funny. And then we go right back to practicing. Yeah. Normally, the quarterback might have said something, and then he tells the office of liminal he tells us and we do it but the last thing you want is a quarterback into the shoulder ending a um engine a thumb or hand punching something right or getting or getting punched right yeah i i definitely wouldn't it wouldn't get to that and you know you know it's funny especially when it comes to the beat riders and and those that are watching they will

exaggerate what happened and what's being said and make it seem like, oh, it was so awful. So I take some of the things that they say. You take it with a grain of salt? Yeah, with a grain of salt on. Because they, you know, I look at the captions. I look at some of the captions, there's some of the plays that are being made. Like, was that even necessary to even say it or worded that way just to get people to click in? Like, come on now.

Yeah, look, look, I ain't got no problem with the quarterback. protect but when it comes to like being in the scrum now you let the offer you let you get out of the way scrum you get out of the way because hey because when people get hey they punch and they punch and whatever they ain't got the same color they got on they punch it oh yeah I remember remember the one um damn the ram the Rams and the Bengals had the joint practicing Aaron Donald got into it yeah to do a helmet off yeah man You see a bunch of that going on. Yeah, hold on.

Matter of fact, if I'm not mistaken, for all the teams that are having a joint practice, it's been a fight on Twitter and social media on Instagrams at every joint practice. Man, it's always a little stuff. Somebody get the best of you? You ain't fit to get the best to me. Right.

I see Calvin Riddley out there going off. Oh, my goodness. Did you see the goddamn clips of Amman Ross St. Brown against the dolphins? Wait, was that the dog? It ain't looking good for y'all, Locho. Oh, my goodness. Jesus. And so, yeah, that would be my only thing.

Pikachu, look, I ain't got no problem talking. I'm going to do my talking from over here. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to keep talking. Yeah, we're going to bomb y'all ass again. Mm-hmm. Especially you because you do, you're the worst one. You're doing the most talking to you the worst one.

as a matter of fact I'm not sure you're going to make it until the next weekend oh but most of the time you know why I'm going to make sure yeah hey that's that's my kind of carrying on right there that's all I'm doing oh cho that's my kind of carrying on right there that's all I'm doing yeah

well at the end of the day listen we're here to get better we here to compete hey trash talking is just a part of the game Hey, bro, you got your CDL, Liza? You need them. Oh. That's a good one. I'm the last one you want to get, especially in like a joint practice. Yeah.

Like, everybody can hear everything. The fans can actually hear what I'm saying. Yeah. And it's just something about, it is just so easy to get open in practice i don't know i don't know what it is don't you it's different maybe maybe maybe i'm invisible i don't know what it was maybe i was just like i'm tired i'm tired of you just talking you get on my nerves right right right so let me put a stop to this well it's only one way to put a stop to it and that's in between the green grass and them white lines that's it that's it i'm cooking i'm cooking

So you'll be careful, Pinnix. Rookie, Shamar Stewart, hits Joe Burrow at practice leading to the brawl. Another scope. Check out the video. Yeah, I saw that. Look like he ran a stunt. Oh, ran a stunt. T.T. Stunt.

He got off balance. He leaked. Oh, he's all balance. Oh, bad. You can't hit the quarterback. You can't hit the quarterback. You hit the quarterback, oh, they're going to get you. If anything, if anything, most of the time, as a rookie, as he gets better,

he understands just to go on by. He couldn't because he was off balance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you see he got too far overextending on your deep. Yeah, and he was going down. And then if he pulls up, son, why did you stop? Well, coach I was off balance and what hit the quarterback. I think coach is to understand, especially in that scenario,

especially going against the ones. look he's right he's off balance right there yeah see no and joe is already planned so joe can't even he can't even react to it and and that's the work that's the worst because joe is planted yeah but oh i know he got i know they gave that they gave him a 50 a hundred headaches yeah yeah he you you you know now if you want to start a ball and practice hit up hit the quarterback right now we talk about the quarterback yes yeah yeah Yeah. Hit the quarterback.

All you got to do is just run on by. Matter of fact, duck, duck and run on by so we can continue with the throw so his hand doesn't hit your helmet. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't want to go to the side. Yeah. Boy, he thought, boy.

You don't want that. You don't want the problems. Ted Carrar said after Prattie that, Shamar, running into Joe Burrow on a pass rush, sparked their response from the old line. Come on, man. That's all our hopes and dreams right here. but we've got to be better too

that's on us yeah oh they're like a quarterback oh yeah you can't you can't get that guy well hey I like what care is saying your practice a practice with your guys right is going every time

you touch the quarterback it's going to happen but I like what the I like what the lineman said that's on us listen if it's a stunt you already know if they pass it off they pass it off right next man

because if that's a game situation held burrow see the thing you know what old shoulder is a lot easier when you can study it and know that's a possibility right when you're going to get your own guy you you a you a you say you're a perfect you like oh man oh i got and next day you know that guy is up on you before you know it so if you're not careful if you do too much like this here them shoulders turn it's a rap so you got you got to stay as square as you possibly can shove that guy And come on back. When you see him disappear, somebody got to be coming.

Yeah. Somebody coming. Hey, got crossed your face. Oh, you think he just got somebody coming around. They got to, because he disappeared, he's leaving a gap. Yeah, for a reason. They're not going to leave a gap vacated. But, like I said, he'll, he'll, he'll rookie.

Bro, this ain't, this ain't college. If you hit the quarterback, everything, hunky-dory, they'll tell your ass up. they go get you yeah it won't ever i don't know how they did and and and and and you're at your school locho but but in the NFL if you hit the quarterback yeah get you let's say it's gonna be a fight every time yeah be a fight every time but obviously obviously whoever his uh position coach probably talked to him i'm sure Zach taylor talked to him he probably apologized to to joe after the fact and just knows better now if you come clean on a stunt or move or whatever it may be just run by the quarterback yep just run by him you know

we know you we know it would be a sack we know it be a sack um coach davis at savannah state somebody hit the quarterback he that can you play quarterback son can you play quarterback no sir well then why the f did you hit it oh man that's funny Now you play a defensive line, but all of a sudden, you was a quarterback. I mean, hey, I guess you could have transitioned. Normally the quarterback's transition on the officer's side, maybe it's on a corner. They don't really transition to D-Lyman, on, Joe. Absolutely not.

Cowboys owner, Jared Jones, has hurt his fan base after admitting his team is a soap opera 365 days a year. Jones made the comments during a red carpet interview before the premiere of Netflix America's team, The Gambler and his Cowboys documentary. The Cowboys are soap operas 365 days a year. When it gets slow, I stir it up. And so it's wonderful to have great athletes, they have great players,

but there is something more there. There's sizzled. There's emotion. And if you will, there's controversy. That controversy is good stuff in terms of keeping and having people's attention. Hmm. Tadda.

Well, we've been saying that for the longest, huh? We've been. He didn't say nothing about winning. Where he got winning in that, that, George? He's not focused on it. I thought winning is something you did 365. He's not focused on that. He's not.

He's not focused on that. The most profitable franchise, not worried about winning. In all the sports. We're worried about lining them pockets. That's it. And the product is going to sell himself. The fact that he doesn't even have to say anything because the product can sell itself.

The fact that he doesn't. does say something, it makes it even worse. Yep. The Dallas Cowboys is no different than Blue Magic. There's no different in Blue Magic. You saw American Gangster, those in the chat, you know what I'm talking about. Blue Magic sells itself. You don't have to take the product and cut it up, do any talk, and do anything extra.

It's the Dallas Cowboys. Oh, Joe. If I told you, name me, if I'm going to remove the top five. Yeah, I'm going to say, you know, I'm going to remove the top 10. Name 10 through 20 of the richest people in the world. You couldn't. You see, if Jared didn't say anything, nobody would know who he is. Yeah.

And he wants you to know who he is. It's not good enough that he owns the most valuable, the most lucrative, the most profitable franchise in sports. That's not enough. Mm-hmm. Yeah. he wants to be the face like patrick mahons is the face of the chiefs joe burrow is the face lamar is the face jerry doesn't want that jerry wants to be the face okay listen the product sells

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