Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Shedeur Sanders shining in his first preseason game!

Episode Date: August 9, 2025

Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Shedeur Sanders playing great in his first preseason game with the Cleveland Browns, Tom Brady had some funny comments during his statue being unveiled, and Lions Falcons preseason game gets suspended after Lions safety suffers a serious injury and much more! 0:00 - Shedeur Shines in first preseason game27:38 - Lions-Falcons game suspended30:41 - Tom Brady statue unveiled46:54 - Geno Smith and Maxx Crosby out here trippin49:00 - CeeDee Lamb53:15 - Aaron Rodgers asked to create the perfect receiver57:00 - Nick Chubb believes he belongs in the D.Henry category1:03:25 - Dolphins had disappointing joint practice with Bears   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Sanders. Oh, yeah, what now? Coach Prime, God is good. Uh, shout out to Cocoa Butter brothers for sending us this video. LeBron James even weighed in. That young King, uh, looking good out there. Shaddaer Sanders. Keep going up, head down and grind and head high to the most, and head high to the most high. Jordan Shultz, text from a high ranking AFC North executive on the Brown's rookie. Shador Sanders, it's early, but wow, actually shocked how good he looks. Mackey Football, when you get your opportunity, create the next one. Only matter of time.

Yeah. Ocho. Yeah. We could, look, we can pick two plays, Ocho. Well, damn, he missed the Sam Strong safety blitz, where he had a guy ride over to the flat on second and 18, and he skipped the ball to him. But you saw that overrout that Brock. purdy throws so well in the San Francisco offense.

You see him fit the ball into those small windows. Did you see him on the move, throw that touch pass? Now, the receiver made a great one hand to catch, but did you see the touch? Yes. So, take off your head. Listen, I wanted to see what Shadoo would look like in a situation that wasn't

advantageous to him. He didn't get any reps. As many reps as he should, to prepare himself, to be prepared for a game like this, of this magnitude. Dylan Brooks Hurd. Can you pick a hurt? Joe Flacko not playing.

So the card that he was dealt to go into this game, can you be a leader of men? Can you go in? Calm. Show a presence of leadership. Run the team. Command the team.

Show that regardless of who's around you, you can still conduct yourself like quarterback one. he was calm under pressure went through his progressions made some great throws had some air and throws you know obviously that's what film is for

that's what the precinct is for the fix the nooks and the crannies to get him out he looked like he belonged on he looked different he did Andrew Barry you made the right call there's a reason that you wanted him

there's no reason he should have dropped as far as he did you cannot tell me as any scout of those 32 teams that didn't need a starting quarterback but those that needed a quarterback and were in need of one watch film

on Cedore Sanders and what he did at Jackson State and we did at Colorado and said, you know what? No, that's not my guy. The quote you just read from the scout in the AFC North if you watch film, what did you expect him to look like? He looked exactly

like he looked in Colorado. He looked exactly like he looked at Jackson State. calm under pressure in the pocket going to progressions making the right throes that's what to be expected to see what they expected to see and what some hope to see might be two entirely different things talk to me now now hope man I show hope man I show hope this happens man versus expect to see what I wanted to to see. I wanted to see exactly what you, what you wanted to see. I want to see. Could he play with poise? Could he throw the ball with conviction? Could he be decisive? Could

he go through his progressions? Uh, the pocket collapses. Could he take off? He showed me some of everything. I'm the over route through it on timing. Guy in his face, let him boom right, drop me right in the bucket. He fit those balls. A pressure in his face, the second touchdown, Pressure at his face, the first touchdown, the corner slumps off, the flat, the safety is hugging him. He fits it in. Yeah. Gets it in. Boom.

On the move, the touch pass over the top. As I mentioned at the top, the receiver did make a great play. But Chador had a nice loft. That's not an easy throw to make. He was impressive tonight. Barry. And a lot of people, they were in the chat last night. Let's see what Chodor does.

Let's see what Chodor does. Well, hold on, you know what they're going to say now. Oh, it's the priest. season. Oh, he's not playing against their starters. Oh, he's playing against the two. He didn't have a starters either. Well, hello? Talk to me. I didn't see Jared Judy. I didn't see

in Joku. I didn't see the starting offensive line. No, Senator Tillman. So this is what I have to say to those who are going to have another excuse. They're going to move the goalpost, right? They're going to move the goalpost and say, well, he wasn't going against the Panthers well, obviously, if he's not going against the Panthers starters,

or if he doesn't have his starters as well, and what he has at a disposal and look that good with the twos and threes and maybe the four that are trying to make the team, what do you think is going to happen when he has the main characters in there around him? Right. That makes your job a little bit easier. That are a little bit better at their position than those that he's playing with tonight. What do you think going to happen?

Well, they can try to move the goal post, but I ain't trying to kick a field goal or PAT, so I'm going to score anyway, and should do a Sanders score tonight. I'm going to give credit where it's due, 14 to 23, 138 yards, two touchdowns, no interception, and he got two sacks. Like I said, we can nitpick a couple of things. Yeah, the Sam Strong Safety Blitz. Flathom, you know what? But it looked like he was telling the guy, bro,

I need you to hook up on that. You're probably not going to be able to outrun the safety. Lamar Jackson, hold on to the ball a little longer because he could outrun the safety. Josh Allen, same thing. That's not Shadoor. Shador is not a mobile quarterback. He's going to do all.

The majority of his damage is going to be in the pocket. He's Tom Brady. I'm not saying he's Tom Brady, but he has the athlete. That's not what he's known for. Go ahead, Georgia. This is the thing. What he lacks in athleticism and inability to get out the pocket,

he has great pocket presence, huh? Being able to move and being able to not telegraph but understand when that clock is ticking and when it's time to get up out of there. Right. You can move extremely well within the pocket without having to take sacks. What about the third down, huh? The third down, we scrambled. The D-Line ran a stunt.

He was able to get outside of it. You know what I like the most? He saw the stunt and took off immediately. Yes. Yes. That's what I like, Ocho. That's what I like. Oh, y'all, I don't know who's supposed to go first and who's supposed to.

I don't know who's supposed to E or who's supposed to T. And I don't know who's supposed to T and who's supposed to E. But I tell you what, I'm going. I'm going. Yeah. I tell you what, y'all figured out in film study tomorrow. But in the meantime, I'm about to pick up this. I'm about to pick up the first down.

He's played himself. He might have started after four, but after this performance, he can't be number four. Because here's the fact, Ocho? How? It's impossible.

He told us something very, very interesting. He says, you can lose your job because of injury. Because let me tell you what's going to happen. Yeah. If you get injured and you're out and a guy comes in and he's playing better than you before you,

before you got injured, it's his job now. Ask yourself with Dylan Gabriel before he got hurt, was he playing better than what you saw what should do or Sanders do tonight? Kenny Pickett, ask yourself this question. Was he playing better than what should do or was, than what

should do or play tonight? Yeah. So if you're going to honestly ask, answer those questions, okay. Right. And the thing about it, what people need to understand, for those that in the chat, it's one thing to have joint practices, is one thing to

against yourself and look good against your players. Everything is scripted on. Everything is scripted even defensively in those joint practices at time because there are certain things they want to work on defensively and there's certain things that you want to work on offensively. When you get into the game, nothing. Nothing is shared from team to team. No.

So it's a green light and everything going as if it's a real game. You're working your scheme, your game plan, and all you have to do is executed. In its simplest form, as simple as preseason games are from an offensive perspective in the way the players are called. And he did that tonight to a hell of a job, one hell of a job tonight. And this is just something to continue to build off of. Clean up.

There were some mistakes, obviously. They're going to always be mistakes and then things you can get better at. And you continue to see different looks. You're not going to get many looks. Obviously, it's the preseason. Everything you see defensively. will be very vanilla, you know, cover tool. Sometimes you might throw on, you know, man.

Don't count the plays, Ocho. Make the plays count. Yeah. Oh, and listen, he made him count the night on. That's what you have to do. When you're a low round draft pick, Ocho, me being a separate. No, bar. Being a low round drive pick, Ocho, you're not going to get the plays that a high round draft pick is going to get.

No. So don't go out there thinking that. But when is your time shine? Yes. You got to. When it's your time. shine and that hey you say I don't count time I make time count

well I didn't count plays and my brother used to say hey I know you ain't get that many reps keep your head up because one day John Elway going to call for you he going to look for you you need to make sure you're ready you need to be make sure you're where you're supposed to be right Shador didn't get a whole lot of reps

but when opportunity presents itself that's what luck is is when preparation meets opportunity Amundsen said some call it luck I'm glad you just said what you just said you just said you doer get didn't get as many reps as he should have in practice but he got into a game and what did he do right but the refs that he did get in practice he made those count because a lot of times I've seen it I don't know if you

see it on show I've seen guys man I ain't get no burn man I can't and then when you get out there you effing up he's fucking up yeah my bad sure sure says hey these one or two reps I might get with the three the threes and fours right I got to make these counts. This has got to be my best worker today. Yeah. Because you know why, Ocho, it might be my only worker today. Yeah.

So if it's my only, it's got to be my best. Because this is the only time they're going to see me on tape. They see me standing behind. And you know, hey, I'm being positive. A good throw, a good catch, good run, good job, offensive line, good play call coach. But at the end of the day, I need to get an opportunity to show you what I can do. And when the opportunity presents itself, that's what look is, preparation meeting opportunity. Yeah.

Amundsen said some call it luck. Mm-hmm. Hey. Hey, listen, I'm happy. I'm happy for Young Bull. I'm happy for Young Bull. This is one of the few times. I can't think of the last time that everyone was excited,

excited about wanting to watch a Cleveland Brown's game. Did you see all them people in the stands with the 12 and with the signs? Did you see all that old joke? A Cleveland Brown's game. On the road. Cleveland don't travel like that. Trust me. I was in the same division with the jokers.

And guess what? We used to play them. Mm-hmm. Same. Same. They don't try, they didn't travel like that. Yeah. And they ain't got no reason to travel because they've been bad a long time.

Yeah. So listen, tonight we saw a very small sample size. We saw a very small sample size. Yes. Of what Shador Sanders can look like. The fact that he played with the twos, with threes, maybe against twos and threes. But again, I say this to say that. What happens when he's with the ones having to run that same offense?

Right. And you, and you guess what? And you go and you game playing. I'm just calling plays arbitrarily, Elcho. That's it. That's all they do tonight. I'm not game planning. I'm not game planning because we normally game playing game three. Right. We go back and now the coaches go back and they look at what they did last season and we script a game plan that's going to be what we think we're going to see on first down, second down, third down, third and short, third and long, just down and distance area of the field. first and gold, second and gold, third and goal. Now we're calling plays, not just to arbitrarily call plays. We're calling plays with a purpose, for a purpose. And eventually they're going to get to that. But I was impressed.

Look, I understand it's the preseason. But for someone that didn't get as many reps, made the reps that he did get, he made them count in practice. And when he got his opportunity, when an opportunity presented itself, he took full advantage. Tom Brady, the opportunity presented.

itself. Which is, hey, when the rubber meet the what? When the rubber meet the road, man. And so, uh, should, uh, he should, he should be proud of himself. Uh, you know, him being who he is raised how he was raised. Hmm. You're supposed to say weird. I guess you raised livestock and animals. But anyway, yeah, being raised how he was raised. Hmm. He's not going to be, he's not going to be, he's not going to get too high Ocho because guess what? Yeah. Even kill. Yeah. You got to stay even kill.

You know why? Because not only having to deal with the noise on the outside, that's one thing. But now you've got to deal with the noise

on the inside, especially with the owner coming out just last week saying, that wasn't my pick. Yeah. That wasn't my pick. That's not who I wanted.

Thank you, Mr. Hamleth. How you do, how you do, Mr. Hamlet? Make sure Andrew Barry gets all the credit. Like you said,

Brother Hasam, don't smile. Don't even, don't say anything start with ass. He said, Don't even say shit. Don't you say itch?

The nerve, the gall. I'm appalled. Well, I'm a David. I'm going to say one more time. And this is for everybody in the chat. Even if you don't like Chador, even if you don't like him, how do you watch film,

college film on Chador Sanders and every other quarterback that went before him and see what all of them have done and say, you know what? No, I'm a pass-up with him. That's not the guy I want. Right. New Orleans Saints.

Pittsburgh Steelers. I don't know what other teams that were in need of a quarterback. How do you do it? I'm just asking from a person that played the game with football and understanding, I have an eye, I have an eye.

I play the game for a very long time at a very high level. I'm not saying I'm a scout, but I know what it's supposed to look like. In situations that are not advantageous for you. I just saw a young fellow win at Jackson State turn a Colorado program around that won one game. Regardless of what his record was in his totality, 23 and 12, whatever may have been, I know what he can do when you got the right pieces around him.

I know what he can do. He's a winner. Regardless of what situation you put him in and he showed it again tonight, yet again tonight. with his back up against the wall. Yeah. He just has the demeanor to be a quarterback. Nothing seems to impact him. He doesn't get too high.

He doesn't get too low. He has the utmost confidence in himself. And most quarter, most the good ones really do. No matter how bad. And we've seen it. No matter how bad it might be going, the really good ones, you know if it's laid the ball game, they got a chance to beat you.

And Chodor is in the situation where it's like, doesn't make any excuses, and he always says the right thing. Listen, it's not as easy as you think to always say the right thing because you're dealing with the human element of it, the human element of it. No matter how much you have, no matter how little you have, no matter how good you've been, no matter how bad you've been, you're dealing with the human element of it. And people have emotions, people have feelings.

And so sometimes when people lash out and say things like, damn, man, you know, you take the amount of time. But he hears what's being written about him. Absolutely. He hears. He sees if he doesn't. He's getting work. It's getting back to him.

But I just loved the way the man, he kept his head down, closed off his ears, and just did what he was supposed to do. He went to work. Yeah. And that's how you have to approach it. Don't get mad. I ain't trying to prove y'all wrong. I'm trying to prove me right. And in the process of proving me right, I'll prove you wrong.

it was it was a great job it was his first outing like i said those throws it was the it wasn't so it was it was the throws that he made ocho go back and take a look at that overball and we see brock purdy throw three or four those a game to iuke he used to hit britt uh uh uh uh debo on those plays you'll kill on the over he look at how he threw that ball the timing of it do you do you understand the anticipatory skills you have to have as a quarterback with pressure coming at you. There was one, there was one overthrow. He couldn't even see.

Yeah. Because on the replay, we couldn't even see him. We just saw the ball come out. So he's anticipated where the receiver was going to be. And he just made the throw and put it only where the receiver could catch it. Yep. That first touchdown. When people saw tonight, I don't think they understand how difficult the game is.

I don't think they understand how difficult the game is. But he made it look like he's been doing it for a very long time. It's his first time. it's his first time in the NFL game but he's used to it oh chat look at his mannerisms look how he walk on the first down

okay he almost did the watch celebration he said you know what I'm looking at the time but it ain't time yet and just don't just everything about him and being quarterback number one just the way he carried itself he was ready for the moment no matter what they

no matter what they did no matter what they said just put me in a situation just hand me the cards give me the hand and I'm going to play it and he did that just exactly how he should the night. The hand he was dealt

he played the hand very well and it's only going to get better from here it doesn't go backwards. You don't you don't digress. I'm excited and this is coming from a Bengal fan at heart. I'm excited for the Browns to finally maybe

have the answer. at the quote of that position after trying 35 times over the years. You know, I, man, listen, man, I can go on and on about this, but go ahead, you got it. I think the thing is,

the biggest thing that an athlete can have is the ability to believe that he belongs, he or she belongs. I was a seventh-round draft pick. You do it was a five. There was 12 rounds. When I was a seventh,

there were seven rounds. He's a fifth. Yeah. But there is not one point in time that I didn't feel I belonged on that field. Because I saw a lot of these guys at the bowl games. I saw these guys at Combine, and I read about them.

Yeah. And I remember, I remember calling my brother at the East West Rang, I said, these dude not better than me. They're not better than me. I don't care what they say. Yeah. I remember going to the Combine and that, man, I, you know, what you think you read? I say probably four six, four seven.

I say, but they're not better than me. They might be faster to me, but they're not better than me. I belong in the NFL. And when I went to Denver, all those guys that went before me, I'm like, ain't no what? I remember asking myself, how in the hell did you get drafted before me? Yeah.

I said, but don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. I said it won't be long. It won't be like the cat, when a girl, they said, boy, the cat got his tail caught in the washing machine. You know what he said, Ocho? He said, it won't be long now.

He said, she didn't know what he was talking about. His tail wouldn't be long anymore or it wouldn't be long for it all be over. Yes, so. Yeah, man. And when we put the pads on, Ocho? Yeah. I'd never forget, because, you know, the rookies,

we went to camp before the vet. So we would go like a couple of days before the vet. So we would already be practicing. Right. In Denver, before we headed up to Greeley. Right. I saw them. They was nervous, Ocho, like a long-tail dog with a porch full of rocking chairs.

You know, if somebody leaning back and they're going to be able to take it out of it. You know what I'm talking about that. Mm-hmm. I thought they were nervous. I say, oh, yeah. That's all I need to see. Just a little fear. Just a little fear in the man's eyes.

Because that's my greatest ability. Yes. Another man's fear. Yeah. I like it. I like it. And listen, I know we've been talking about Shador, but listen, remember I told, remember what I told you about the Panthers, right? Yes.

Remember what I told you about the Panthers? If there's a dark, a chat, stay with me real quick. If there's a dark horse team that I believe in this year, that's, that's a, is going to creep up and maybe make it run into playoffs. I said it would be the Panthers. They didn't look bad. Bryce Young didn't look back. Jalen Coker went crazy tonight. T. Matt, the rookie

from Arizona, look good tonight. I know Xavier Lek got thrown out, getting into a little tussle. Listen, I love the passion. It's just preseason. That's fixable. That's fixable. But again, look how the Panthers look early in the game. For those, I know everybody tuned in the watch the door, but I'm telling you right now. And I say it first, someone that's not much of a Panther fan, didn't play for the organization.

They owe me nothing. I'm telling you, the Dark Horse team for this season, the Carolina Panthers, Bryce Young, and their receiving court. I'm telling you, watch. Oh, Joe, I ain't never been that hot in a preseason game. No? The tussle? Oh, yeah.

They were going at it, huh? I don't really got no tussle in practice, bro. Because I'll tell you, what Dan Reed's going to say, you fighting, that means we ain't working hard enough. Mike Shanahan said the same thing. We ain't working hard enough. Bro, it ain't like it is now, bro. Them two hour, two and a half hour practice, man, please, with pads and you had on pads

and, oh, let me take that back, Ocho, you have on, they call up, see what they call shales with shoulder pads and shorts. It's not shells like they call it now. Basically got those little fitted A styrofoam stuff on That was not shells when When I got in the 90s Sheld was shoulder pads and shorts

Shorts, yeah And you know We hit, they were, we hit back then 9-on-7 was live Yeah Team, team was a solid Thudder up It wasn't no

Touched guy on his own like two-hand touch Oh no You put shoulders on him You put pads on him. Yeah, you better come to balance and be ready. I remember Dennis Smith, we call him Kahuna and Atwater. Man, they come down in that box? Well, we had thumpers back then.

Oh, yeah. Man, please. And Atwater ain't played, boy. No. Atwater coming down here now. And Atwater wasn't the thumpel like Dennis Smith. Kahuna was the thumpel. Number 49?

Whoa, whoa, more than Atwater? Yes, Lord. Yes, Lord. Oh, Cho, I saw that joke, hey, at 205, 210, I saw him sit lineman, sit lineman on their ass. They pulling, he ain't never go low. Right. He putting that shoulder in their chest and set him down. At 210?

At 210. Dang. Go back. If y'all can find it, go back and check the tape. He hit Roosevelt Pots. Uh-huh. They both ran. He, parts come through the hole.

He hit him. He was out cold. Marion butts. Hey, if you, if you're a Charger fan, you know who, because back then, Ocho, they had a big old, big running back. They had big Marion butts. They had Rod Bernstein. They had Joe Caravello, big, Joe Cocks.

I mean, the tight ends were like 300 pounds. Offensive line, mammoth offensive line. Yeah. Kahuna run through him. Go back and look at that play with Dennis Smith hit, he had, and he hit Roosevelt Pots. Yeah. You know who else was a thump or two?

Remember Donovan Darius? Yeah. Yeah, I played against DDD at Jacksonville. But that was back in the 90s. You had Chuck Cecil. You had Mark Carrier from Chicago. Yeah. Boy, back there, it wasn't nothing defenseless about that.

They said, you got him in his shoulder pants. What the hell you thought was going to happen? You come across the middle. Oh, yeah. You're going to get that work. What? You're going to get that work. Rodney Harrison

Oh Rod coming with all four arms Every time Hey I say bro Hey say A sharp Just stay on my knees I say

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Norris head appeared to snap back after hitting the leg of Falcons running back Nathan Carter doing a tackle attempt. He stayed down after the play was over and ended up leaving the field in an ambulance. That's it, especially the preseason. Right. They seem to be doing more of that now, Ocho. It's hard. In college, Ocho, we moved a pile. If somebody got hurt,

move it up five yards. They too, are by lying? Yeah, even in the pros. Hey, it don't matter what happened. Patela, Achille, neck injury, head injury. They moved that bang up five yards. They let the training staff deal with that. And we continued on with practice.

College and the pros. I ain't telling what somebody told you. I'm telling you what I know. I don't know, yeah, I've seen it. People like we've gotten a little more empathetic. Right. And it's times of change. They're like, man, that's a little callous, don't you think?

You know, man, you know, serious injury. But I hope the young fellow is okay. I saw this. Prayers for him. Prayers up for him. Hold, I'm trying to find that game right quick. I'm trying I'm trying to get it to pop up

the game you see right here oh there it is right there it just finally popped up the eagle God oh damn no it's

it's like a grin in the face and say hey what's that you know you'd be watching internet it's a dang I definitely can't find it, so maybe you can't. Oh, there it is right there. Damn. It's the lion's falcons.

I'm looking, I'm looking all over. Uh, but, uh, yeah, hopefully young fella, thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family. Uh, you know, obviously the family's watching, you know, it's preseason game, Mocho, and, you know, they're watching to see their, their brother, their cousin, their friend, son. go out there and to see this happens. Obviously, everybody's on pins and needles, so praying that everything is okay. And he has, do we know if he has use of his extremities?

But I thought some prayers go out to the Norris family. Hopefully everything works out okay, and he'll be back real, real soon. Tom Brady, the statue was unveiled at Gillette Stadium. Unfortunately, Ocho, he can't get one unveiled on a Sunday because he's busy on Sundays. Right, right. So they had to do it in the preseason. Let's take a listen to what Tom had to say.

But in the end, this statue isn't just for Pat's fans. It'll also give all the Jets fans something to throw their beers at as they lead the stadium every year. Probably in the second quarter. Maybe the third. that's a good talk hey you know what oh cho i met i met i mean um my last pro bowl yeah i met i met tom brady met his family met all his sisters uh he was great he's always been great to me every time he see me he has a uh a memorabilia uh museum in the fountain blue yeah got an invitation went to it got an opportunity to talk to him great offered him some insight on things so

forth and so on. He said, I really appreciate that. He said, uh, that means, that means a lot because, uh, you're very good at what you do. So have an opportunity to talk to him. But if anybody deserves a statue, a, the only thing I'm at about 12 feet tall, it need to be 20 feet tall. It needs to be like the empire. It need to be like a statue of liberty. Absolutely. Absolutely. But what that mopho did. Yeah. Listen, the greatest. When we talk about the greatest quarterback of all time, accolades, man. Some of the games he's played. Listen, that New England Atlanta game, that game alone, that 23-comeback alone deserves a trophy, a statue by itself.

Yeah. Uncle, you can play a video game. You can play Madden, and you could let somebody score 28 points, and you have three. The chance of you coming back on a video game is slim to none if you're playing somebody that's good, let alone to do it in goddamn real life. do you know how many things have to go right for you yeah be able to come back in an NFL game of that a game of that magnitude down 28 to 3

what are we what are we talking about we're talking about it we're talking about it forever unbelievable yeah you know the bills came back and up you know the bills came back and beat Houston um they were down what what was they down 30 they was down 32 to 3 they ended up winning.

You remember, Minnesota came back and beat the Colts. They was down, what, 33 to nothing, some odd score, but the Super Bowl. That's the difference. And the guy that you're going against is the league MVP.

Hey, I got a question. Yes. I want a statute. Well, you better go to, what's your high school? at Miami Beach a high high tie? You better

go in there and tell him you're going to go half on one. No, no, no, no, no. I want mine at Pay Court Stadium. This is what I'm going to do.

The Browns don't have to do it. I'm going to pay for it and I'm going to just put it out there myself. Mm-mm. No? Statues, I mean, Lamar Jackson will have one next to Ray Lewis

in Baltimore. Right. Patrick Mahomes should have one. Obviously, Peyton Manning has one in Indy, Tom Brady goes without saying. I mean, you know, like, you know, with Kobe and Shaq and Karim, like the Lakers, they got, they got the, okay, come on, hold on, hold on, hold on, listen. Well, Bengals, 85, when you see the number 85, what's the first thing you think of? You know what, Ocho?

I need a statue. If you'd had, if you'd have had Jerry's numbers, Randy's numbers, T.O.'s numbers. Let me tell you. You know what, Ocho? I don't, I don't have their numbers, you know, but the hand out of the hand I was dealt, I played that motherfucker hand very well. And I guess, I'm a matter of fact, I'm going to say, I'm going to go to Home Depot. I mean, think about the guys that got statues, Ocho. Yeah. Yeah.

Sugar, two-time defensive play of the year. I think he went to 12 Pro Bowls. he's probably eight eight nine time all pro probably seven time first team all pro uh uh super bowl MVP we talk about Peyton manning like like when we're like at the hall of fame yeah you have somebody as what they call a presenter now he'll go up there and plead your case ocho so let's just say i'm a writer in Cincinnati i go up in the room and i plead Ocho's case. Ocho is a this many time pro bowler. He led

the league in this. He did this. He had this many games. Yeah. Peyton Manning, Peyton Manning, and you sit back down. Tom Brady and you sit back. I don't have no explanation. Peyton Manning. Yeah. Tom Brady. What am I explaining? What do I say, Ocho?

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, right? So this is what you do, right? Yeah. You look at circumstance. Yes. what it was like before I got there, right? Yeah. 32nd worst team in the lead.

I think you were 28 when you were there. 32nd. Hold on. Stay with me, now. Stay with me. Hold on. Stay with me. I get there, right?

Yes. And I gave the city L. Put us back in the national spotlight. You hear me? I can still out I can still out of the stadium Was it because you're winning or was it because your antics?

No, it's called entertainment. Hey, what is football? What is football? Entertainment was. Yes. But I'm saying, was it because you guys were winting or was because you were entertaining?

What's more difficult to do? To be losing and still put butts in the seat? Because who wants to come watch that? Y'all ain't got nothing else to do. shit me what y'all gonna do go across the river go to Louisville

the Kentucky Derby ain't going on that time of the year I'm gonna tell you ain't nobody want to eat no skyline chili Jordan's saying

ain't that good anyway I never have skyline chili I ate at Waffle House in Covington and I had

McDonald's right across the street from it but needless to say I'm gonna put I'm gonna put my own statue and I'm just

they're gonna have to take it down well good luck with that let me know how that work out for you but I was

I was looking at Brady statue and all the accolades that it had on it, all the Roman numerals for the Super Bowl and the Super Bowl MVP and the regular season MVP and the 5,000 yard passing season and all this and all that. When you look at it, you're just like, I mean, the man played what he played, 23 seasons. If you chop his seasons up, 7-77, he's at no worse, the second-gradeest quarterback ever. if you take if you just take his first seven seasons right okay ocho take his middle seven seasons

okay ocho take his last seven seasons right you be hard to say that he's not top two top three even with that yeah absolutely you know what that remind me up to with reference to get people context take Kobe when he was 24 and take Kobe when he was number eight it's the same thing yes it's almost identical even when he reinvented itself and changed his number. Yes. So more jerseys. Yeah.

It's kind of like when LeBron went to Miami and got six. Yeah. You're 23 in Cleveland. He goes to Miami. He's six. He goes back to my goes back to Cleveland. He's 23. He goes to LA.

He's 23. Then he gets did he get six again. Oh, he always said. Oh, what's your call him said he was going to he moved. He changed numbers. Anthony Davis. LeBron was never six in L.A., was he? I think he was.

He was. Yeah. But, man, but Tom, congratulations. I mean, if anybody is deserving of a statue and there have been some people in history that was very deserving. But when we're talking about sports, man, I wouldn't even be mad

if they retired number 12 across the league. Hold on. Well, let's retire 85 too. No? No. Damn. Oh.

Bad. Oh, Joe. You can't just retire the number, man. Like I said, and you know what, Ocho? You might have a compelling case if you had Jerry's number.

Who? No. I have a compelling case without Jerry's numbers. No, you don't. To retire 85 across the league? Hey, listen.

Hey, ask the chat. right now. When you see the number 85, what's the first thing that come to your mind no matter what team it is? Ask him. Tell ask to put up a poll. When you see the number 85, what is the first thing that comes to mind? What? You're tripping. Nick Bonacani. Hey, are, dude. Hey, this is. I've incurred. And let me say something. See, it's hard for the old folks to understand, right? Yeah. But I did for the game. What I did for the game is so much bigger than numbers, folks really don't need, they don't even realize it.

It's so much, they'll do a statue for your word, for your word, spoken word speech. Hey, I got another, I got another spoken word. You want to hear it? Well, I 32,000 people in the chat want to hear it. Okay, okay, here we go. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hey, Uncle, froze.

Did it? Yeah, you're not moving. Yeah. Is that, that ain't never on my Wi-Fi? Talk to me. I'm frozen. Is that, is that, is that on your end? It ain't on my end.

I'm, I'm a way, I'm a way to, um, you can hear me, right? Yes. Okay. Yeah, my Wi-Fi, I got to, all my bars. I mean, I'm at, I'm at a cigar bar. What we need to hear, Ash?

Hey, chat, y'all get ready for this spoken word. I was on a plane coming from New York today. I left New York around 2 o'clock, and I sat down and I wrote something very special that I think, I think y'all would like. Let me know, are you ready? I'm waiting to unfreeze. Detective said we're not ready yet.

Hey, I don't disappear. Chat, y'all still there? Okay, okay, the chat, listen, can hear me? Okay, hey, Chad, listen, Chat, while I'm getting situated. So, excuse me, you know, I do spoken word. You know, I have many jobs. I have many hobbies, many passions that I like and I love.

And, oh, are we good? Okay. And, Chad, I do spoken word. A lot of people don't know about that. But again, I tell people all the time, I was a drama major, out of the theater major. And this is just a part of something that I've always been passionate about. And I have something that I wrote that I want y'all to hear tonight.

And this is for the ladies. Let me know who you ready, Ron? I'm ready. Your smile is like a sunrise. Chasing away the night. Sometimes I look at the clouds and your touch is like a gentle breeze,

a warm and soft light. my heart forever yours a love so true for you my love it will always be true for beneath the wings that I have

you will always be the one that I call on if in any moment you're feeling sad just remember one thing my love is only for you how was that off

you like that? I mean it's it's not a Lorenz Tate and Love Jones but it's getting better yeah it was getting better right like that yeah yeah that was that was real that was sentimental like that came from the heart you see there you're right there look at see how you do look what they did they see how they got you yeah that's that's me well god what's wrong with me well you got a mile full of tea now

hey i wrote i wrote that on the plane i wrote that on the plane coming back from new york you know earlier earlier today and i'm just you know i'm getting better i'm i'm getting better i'm i'm I'm getting better. And at some point, I'm looking to write a book on all my poems. And I think that would be, you know, a New York bestseller. Okay. Yeah. That's definitely possible, Ocho.

I like that. Matter of fact, this is, this is, we might really be on to something because what we can have is, you know how we do, um, Spello, Spello, Spelo, Ocho. Pelo Cinco. Pelo Cinco. We can have every soul. often a segment where I do spoken word and give y'all some of my art okay okay okay yeah we working on it you know we're working on when we can come up with a segment uh the spoken word by

ocho right i like that i like that i like that hey chat i appreciate y'all and uh and enjoying that and um that that came from the heart but uh There haven't been many more deserving players in the history of our game. Yes, sir. That deserve this as much as Brady. Yeah. You know. We, uh, will you address me to Brady, but when you meet him, you call it Tom.

Because, you know, I mean, a lot of people don't like for you. I mean, we team. we call everybody by the last name, but everybody don't like me call about the last name, especially if you don't know them like that. Right. You call somebody by the last name, people feel like you really know me.

Mm-hmm. Or you know them. But Tom is, uh, he's amazing. I mean, he doesn't like, even like when I was on undisputed, I thought I was fair. Some people say, I'm overly critical of Tom,

but, you know, when Tom played well, I give him his credit. When he plays bad, I say, okay, he played bad. But he was always like, hey, I got to give you credit. You definitely call it like you see it. But like I said, some people you just meet and they're like great. And I can see why I can see why his teammates like him. I really can.

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Seahawks fans. In photos and videos that have circulated on social media, a Seattle fan appeared to make a gesture and say something to Ward Smith, who played five seasons in Seattle as Raiders waited outside their tunnel to take the field. Smith responded by holding up both his middle fingers toward the fan before running onto the field. Crosby made the same gesture while running on the field. going to probably cost them Roger, you know, Roger not going to be happy about this. That's probably 25, what you think, 25 or 50? Pre-season the game. I've seen Jess here just a middle finger.

I'd say maybe 20. Listen, first offense, there's no need to go crazy with the fine. Just send a message. Listen, this is something that we're not going to allow. We know the fans can be routing. You're returning back where you played. They're going to say some nasty things.

to you. Yeah. Control yourself. Be able to control your emotions. It got the best of you in that situation. So we're going to, boom, here's a slap on the wrist. We're going to take 20 from you. Let's make sure it doesn't happen again.

I like the fact that Max Crosby took up for his teammate. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, he might be, look, if you on my team, you might be effed up. You messed up to us.

You ain't messed up to them. Right. So, nah, we're not been to get down like that. We'll let you say nothing slick about our teammate. Right. I like it. And you know what, don't you? Hell, we might not like him just as much as you don't.

But guess what? In front of company. Yeah. In front of company, that's a whole different ballgame. Yeah, I agree with you. I think it's probably going to be $25,000. You know, hey, if it happens again, blah, blah, blah, so forth a song, because that's not, you know, Roger,

you know, the wording of it, that's not, you know, that's not what we want to portray or project to our fans. We want to say that we appreciate our fan. Right. And we do. But when you start flipping the fans off, I mean, flipping the players off, everybody ain't going to be job. Ain't going to be cool with that, don't you?

No, listen, everybody's not going to like you too, especially when you play for a team for a very long time. You return back to that same team. And you know how fans are. They traded him. Why are you mad at him? That's not the way they think. That's not the way they think.

They always say, oh, you're disloyal. Their loyalty lies with that team. So when you come back and you're on another team win another jersey, oh, you know, they're going to go crazy. They're going to go crazy. Yeah, they're going to go crazy. But that neither here nor there. They're going to be all right.

Yeah. C.D. Lamb was asked, which Cowboys DB has given him hell in. training camp, his response. Honestly, none of them. They haven't given me hell, but I will say it's great competing with these guys. That what he should say. Yeah. I mean, who we got over there? Ain't no, ain't no past their hands. Ain't no times. Ain't no revises. Right. Ain't no Niels Williams. Ain't none of them. Ain't no great. I mean, hey, Diggs was on that trajectory, but injuries kind of robbed him of some of that, what he possessed. Yes. So, you know,

but, but he was really that he's like, he was a receiver. I coming out of high school. So he has great hands. He has great anticipatory skills. So the best thing to do for you is double move him. Yeah. Because he's looking, hey, now he's going to get you. He going to win some. You're going to win some. But you just make sure you know when you win because he's going to take a chance now.

He's going to take a chance. Yeah. And so I think the injury, the knee, I think he had another. What do you have? I think he had another. I think he tore his ACL one year. Then he had another injury this past season. And so I think it's a situation that's kind of robbed him of some of his ability, but I expect he to win. Right.

When we talk about the Cowboys, too, I think when Trayvon Diggs went out, is it Daron Bland? I'm not sure if I'm saying his right chat. Y'all let me know if I'm saying it's right. Deron Bland, when he came in, he made exceptionally well.

Yes. Made exceptionally well interceptions, and he was making play after play after play. Pick six after pick six. Yeah, I'm not sure if he's back. I think he might. He might be injured as well. And if there's any type of competition

that would probably give C.D. Lamb troubles. It would probably be Brother Land based on his skill set now how good he is and he's familiar with C.D. Lamb's game. But other than that, I don't see anybody in camp that would give Citi any issues. Yeah. Especially if he's in the slot.

You got too many, I mean, it's hard, man. Yeah. Because the thing is, like, when you're in the slot, Ocho, I'm trying to bump you into people. tried to push you into such and such and he's trying to do the exact same thing. But when there's nobody there in over, just me and you and he in the slot, do you know where this man can go?

You don't win that in every time. Yes. Listen, C.D. Lamb is very, very, very, very savvy, very savvy. Very savvy in the mismatches once he goes in that slot. It's so much. So much. He can run Zaro. He can run the, he can run the whip.

He can run the shallow. I mean, he can run the basic cross He can run a seven He can run a sale He can run an out Yeah He can run a post He can run a far cross

Yeah He can't defend all that Yeah, it's too much And plus ain't nobody rushing the quarterback Yeah But look, see the E is, you know I like your response I ain't got no problem with that hell

Ain't nobody really giving me hell I just like to compete Mm-hmm Listen you got to talk like that too you got to talk like that. Shoot, you know, when we talk about the best five receivers in the game right now, see, Lam name is always in the conversation

at some point. He might not be one or two, but in that three, four, and five, his name comes up. So when we ask you about somebody giving you trouble in camp or who's giving you the most, it shouldn't be nobody.

If I'm paying you $34 billion, nobody better give you no, you may not have no problem with nothing. With nothing. Unless you on the team with Sartan or Stingley or some Ramsey or somebody like that. Other than that? Yeah. Oh, no.

Yeah. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Aaron Rogers was asked by CBS Sports to create the perfect receiver based on speed, size, hands, high pointability, and football IQ. Rogers selected Randy Moss, high pointability, Julio Jones for speed. He added two of his former teammates for the mix, Devonte Adams for Football IQ and Jordy Nelson for hands. And then he selected D-K for size.

What did he get right? What did he get wrong, Mocho? I think I like that. High pointability, he got Randy Moss. Absolutely. He got Julio. Did he got football IQ, Devonte, Jordan for hands, D-K for size. Okay.

Well, obviously, there's a very important aspect in that that's missing. And that would be foot and route running. I guess they didn't give him that. Yeah. And that's it. That would be based on speed, size, hands, high pointability, football like you. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, we're going to add, we're going to add footwork and route running, which is very, very vital importance. And when it comes to, you know, all that stuff you just name is great. But if we ain't able to create no goddamn separation. Yeah. But we're just going to throw my name in the pot because Aaron Rogers would have probably said me anyway when it came to that. Boom. You're going to say you?

Yeah, we're definitely going to say me. Hey, Uncle, still to this day, Unk, I still have the greatest feat ever known a man to ever touch grass. The greatest, listen, my feet, matter of fact, this is what's so funny, this is what so funny, right? Everyone else in the NFL,

in the history of the NFL, all receivers got paid based on their ability to play the position and cast the ball. I'm the only receiver in the history of the game on my contract we are paying you millions of dollars simply because of your fee

it's on my contract I can show it to you I got a copy of it at the house they pay me millions of dollars simply for my fee which is unbelievable I was the first and the last in the history of the game I can prove it to you

I promise you I tell you no lie and I'm going to put my three fingers up like, like, oh, like 47, like 45 and 47, do it. I mean, theoretically, I mean, you want to say size. You could say, I mean, Randy, I mean, Randy could be for speed, too. Tyreek for speed, Huli, I mean. I got a question. Please tell you, remember, when Randy caught that hitch route against the Dallas.

Against the Cowboys on Christmas? Well, that Thanksgiving. That might have been Thanksgiving. Yeah, I remember. He caught the hitch. The DVD took the, on angle and he outran the, uh, the, the, not pursuit.

What's the word? What's the word? Uh, not pursuit. He out ran the angle. Oh my God. That's not supposed to happen, huh? No. That's not, that's not supposed to happen. Mm-mm.

I mean, it took, I mean, look, if you let him unwind now, because he's a long strata, you let him unwind on you. It's a rap. You, you, you, you're taking seven steps is two of his. Yeah. oh he he came in and you look 17 touchdowns as a rookie

I don't know if we're going to see that in time soon he was different he was different he was he in the stuffy man they got right before the half did you call the pass we had him trapped in the middle of field he threw it back over his head to moe williams and running in four touchdown yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I remember that I say man what is this and boy they let that care oh oh, boy, they started going crazy. I said, oh, man.

Yeah, I said, it ain't looking good for the home. It ain't looking good for the business. That was us. But I like, I mean, high point of Billy Randy, because Randy had tremendous leaping ability. Football IQ, you like Don, Devonte, Jordi, like Jordi's hands. DK, I mean, it's hard to argue, 64, 230.

Huge. And can run. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I like his list. Nick Chubb says he belongs in the Derek Henry category entering age 30 season. Chubb said he believes he can join Henry in remaining a top running back despite general expectation of age-related decline past 30. Henry is different. You're not going to put him in that category. He showed it's not true. and I think that applies to me.

I'm in a category with them. I'm different. I feel good as I've been. Ocho, what is your expectations for Chubb with the Texans? I think he's going to be fine. I think we view Chubb a little bit differently now because of the injuries. We should. Yeah, listen, but Chubb should be in the conversation exactly with Derek Henry.

And I think he would be if it wasn't for the ACL injury. He would be based on the trajectory in which he was on. Very good. Very circle back. Yes. Head off the goalpost. Very, very difficult to tackle. The first man, they never bringing him down ever.

He was exactly like Derek Henry in a sense, different style of back in a sense, you know, but still. Yeah, maybe I would agree with you had he not had those injuries. I mean, he tore his ACL in college. he tore, I think this is the second time he's torn into the NFL. Yeah. And that's the only thing. But listen, can he do what Adrian Peterson did? We're going to find out.

We're going to find out. Well, last year was his Adrian Peterson season when he came back. Remember? He came back. Yeah. Now, look, people need to stop that because what AP did, everybody think, oh, man, you see what it? Bro. Right. AP ain't wasn't, it isn't normal. He wasn't

normal. He wasn't normal. Nah. You're not supposed to chair your ACL in December and come back and been the MVP the following year rushed for 2097. He's the last running back. He's the last non-quarterback to win the MVP.

Yeah, that's crazy. That was 2012. That's crazy. And unless somebody does have that type season again, they're not winning it. Quarterback just puts up too many numbers, don't you? Yeah.

I mean, listen, in matter of fact, even with the game, the way it is now is the past heavy league, how long before you think we see Adrian Peterson type back again anyway? It's going to be a very long time. Yeah, because Adrian Peterson was a collision back. And most backs are being a Sequan don't run the collision.

Derek Henry is a collision back. Yeah, but to be able to think about it, Ocho, to be able to collide that long and the pack of wreck up those yards, you look at the guys, look at Earl Campbell with a collision back. He's got seven years. Yeah, but also you view Agent Peterson as a collision back, but he's also a back that can shake you and take it to the, and hit the head. Yeah, he could.

But he ran the contact. He wasn't, listen, Andrew Peter was looking to run you over. And then when you brace yourself to get run over, now he's going to shake your ass up. Come right by you. Yep. Yeah, it's a funny thing. He, he, Adrian Peters is a type of back that will instill fear in you. Yeah.

In the game. And then, matter of fact, remember when Ray Lewis saw, Ray Lewis in that defense saw Adrian Peters for the first time. Yeah. And it was the first runner back to have over 100 yards against that defense. Yeah, it's a... There was some collisions in that game now.

Oh, yeah. It's, uh... Yeah, but I... He says he belongs in that category, and maybe people would be willing to put him in that category. But it's hard when you're coming up for three ACLs. Yeah. Before the age of 30.

Three or two? Didn't he tears ACL in college? Yeah, he tore it in college, but he tore it with the Browns. That's only two. How many times the age, uh, Chubb, Terry's knee? Just two? Just two.

So once in college and once in? Yeah. Okay. My mistake. Thanks for the correction. But this, this last thing was severe. Yeah. He tore his ACL.

What does he tear? PCL MCL MCL? As you're looking for that. Yeah. Yeah, he had that was, he had a severe I mean, it was almost like Robert Edwards. Remember Robert Edwards?

Oh yeah, when he messed up playing on the sand, playing on the sand. You play with the dog. That is, yeah, yeah. Napoleon McCann. Callum, he had a very serious injury like that, too. Yeah. I think it was a Monday night game when Napoleon McCallum did what he did. Um, as a matter of fact, that might have been.

And then in Georgia, he took to his NCL, LCL. He didn't tear his ACL. Okay. But everything else, but his ACL. Okay. And the same knee or different knee? Oh. It's going to be hard for that.

I need not to be arthritic. Yeah, he's going to be bone on bone. Good boy. A Chub over there in Tennessee, huh? No, he with the Texans. Well, yeah, I'm thinking the T, the T word, Texas. That's right. Him and him and mixing, that's a nice little combo, too, boy.

Yeah. That's a nice little one-two combo. But it kind of almost is like that. Yeah, the old oilers went to Tennessee. but I don't think that's what you meant. Yeah, no, it's not. It's not. I mean, I meant to say, I just heard the T word. But listen, they got two of the same back.

Yeah. I guess they want to, they want to, you know, hey, get a lead and run there. I don't want to have to throw it. Babe. The Dolphins had a disappointing joint practice with the bears today. Two or three interception. Alexander Madison, two fumbles,

and Mike McDaniels had to break up a fight. Yay! Ocho? Yeah. What do you think about your three interceptions, two fumbles? And you're fighting? Yeah. I don't, listen, I don't take much from that.

Obviously, that's what practice is for. In practice, you're going to have mistakes. We're going to have turnovers. That's where the mistakes need to be made. But let's see what happens tomorrow, if I'm not mistaken. They play tomorrow, right? I think so. Yeah.

Let's see what they look like. like in the game when the lights are on. Like practice is one thing. It's the same. There's really no pressure. Defensively, all you got to do is read and react. There's no, there's no penalty, you know, for touchdown. No penalty.

You know, I think it's, I take it with a grain of salt in a sense and like, okay, listen, this is what we need to work on. We can't be doing this. We can't be doing that. I know the stat line, it looks bad. the fighting punk is preseason it's practice. You know joint practice name one joint practice but they don't fight.

No. I just said had we played that bad? Oh, we practicing after that practice. Mike Cheneh. I'm going to have what's out there practicing after that. There ain't no way John going to throw three interception, TD Jew, forming a ball two times and we fight and you think you're going to the locker room? Oh, man, please. Yeah. I don't know where they do that at. I know one thing

if you look that bad in practice in the joint practice, if you look that bad, with a stat line like that. Yeah. When you get out there in the first preseason game, because I know the ones

are going to play, Mike McDaniels has to allow the ones to play because if you look like that, then you have to have them play to make sure they get whatever kings or whatever you need to get right

and get fixed, you're going to part of right now. I doubt it looks like that in the game. Look, I don't know how anybody else did it. But I just know, oh, you're not going to make no mistake. And then talk about, okay, yeah, we good. No, hell, we not. No, hell, we not.

Hey, Mike be down there, run it again. Now, we got it. Mike, no hell we don't. You're not for the end on no bad play. You're not been to end on no mistake. Have a, have a pick, have a fumble, and a drop. Five plays, six plays into a 10 play period. Right.

And see what you start. started over. Like I don't know what y'all, I don't know what y'all did last night. Right. But you're nothing to come out here and do it today. Oh, no. And you know, you take stuff for granted, oh, Joe. You're like, man, come on.

Right. But you as you get an appreciation for it, and you understand why you did certain things and the benefits of it from him doing it that way. Right. time like man bro we ain't got with two three more plays left and we're gonna start the whole period back over no just start that just run that play again man that man started the whole period over like it wasn't nothing right without a care in the world he's like uh y'all y'all got other

jobs i mean you i mean what's going on because i mean you you're like you're trying to get out of here you got somewhere to go yeah this your job Yeah, yeah, you're right. So we started, I'll tell you what, we started finding you. Drop a pass, $5. Drop it on Friday is $10. Jump offside, $5. $10 on.

Oh, yeah. Man, we fit up in to do this, man. Come on now. Yeah, yeah. We had a little pot, too, in Cincinnati. Yeah. You know, drop, the drops, miss blocks, no, put a little. And at the end of the year, at the end of the year,

I forgot, I forgot how it went, but, but somebody, somebody got that money. Somebody got, I forgot, forgot who it was. But listen, when you have practices like that, obviously there's an advantage for the defense anyway, because all they're doing is reading and reacting. They're reading and reacting. And I think, what, camp has been about almost two weeks now. Yeah. Almost two weeks.

The defense is going to be so far ahead of the offense, especially in the joint practice. So I take that, you know, with a grain of salt, okay, boom, we have. things are fixed, but on game day, it's completely different. It's going to be completely different. I don't think, I don't, look, I've had a lot of joint practices. I don't think we ever had a day. I can't ever remember three interceptions

and two fumbles. Yeah. Because all I know is that, hey, did y'all win a date? I don't know about it, we, but I did. I cooked. I cooked all of them. All of them. The whole dolphin's secondary, I cooked them.

The whole Cardinal secondary, I cooked them. The whole Carolina secondary, I cooked them. Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. Because, you know, it's the thing. You know, hey, you're not going to because, you know, they're doing the same thing. And that's what I wanted to say earlier, Ocho. Man, you're cool. I mean,

at joint practice, you on one knee next to Carolina. You on one knee next to the guys. So it ain't like a game. Game, you on your sideline. They're on their sideline. Joint practices, look, I understand it's a different team, but the, but the feel of it.

is different. Yeah. You're talking, it carried on and so forth and so on. But it, it's not the same. Now, you start talking, it turned real quick. It turned real quick. Yeah. Absolutely.

Oh, don't lock down no pass. Don't worry about it. Now, now 84 got to get up off of me. Yeah. Now, you got to come see me. Woo, woo, woo. Okay. Now, hey, let's restore some border.

border, hey, all that jumping around, all this, did that anything to happen? Right. Hey. Yo, Daisy, I don't know what they carry, got it strapped. Man, please. Hey, hey, everything I catch you, I'll spike it on you. Yeah. Bad.

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