Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho react to Vikings beating da Bears on MNF, Russ STILL QB1 + Daiyan Henley joins

Episode Date: September 9, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Monday Night Football featuring Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears vs. JJ McCarthy and the Minnesota Vikings, panic in New York after... Russell Wilson struggled in the Giants opener, and much more from Week 1 of the NFL Season. Later, Unc & Ocho are joined by Los Angeles Chargers LB Daiyan Henley. 3:51 - Vikings beat Bears18:55 - Giants sticking with Russ35:25 - Daiyan Henley Joins the show (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:55 It's good to be right. Hello, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap as you watch the Minnesota Vikings, go on the road and defeat the division rival Chicago Bears by the score of 2724. At one point, this game was 176 in Chicago's favor. And the next thing you know is 2717. That's just how quickly this game turned around. Thank you for joining us again. As I mentioned, I am your favorite on Shannon Sharp. My partner and co-host, he's Liberty City's own,
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Starting point is 00:06:21 Friday, 11 a.m. Eastern, they will be live. You'll be able to see Debo and Joe. We've got charges. Dejan Henley joining us a bit later. But first, Ocho, this game, I didn't, I bet, man, Minnesota, I, I'm speechless, Ocho. Because Minnesota was just going around like, how long Justin Jefferson before he throw his helmet up in the stands? Because they're not targeting him. JJ threw a horrible pick, you know, horrible pick six, you know, that deep out, if you lay And inside, he's got a reservation for six in the end zone. And the next thing you know, Minnesota has seized control of this ball game.
Starting point is 00:07:01 I'm almost certain. The Chicago Bears spent $94 million, excuse me, on the offensive lineman. Yeah. They got a new center. They got a new left guard. They got a new right tackle. Oh, so I couldn't tell. No.
Starting point is 00:07:15 Caleb Williams was running for his life. If Caleb Williams is not as, if Caleb Williams with Jerry golf, he's sacked 10 times tonight. Easily. He's running for his life. And I was like, hold on. I thought you and I both, because we talked about this, Ocho, they improved the offensive line.
Starting point is 00:07:30 They got Roma Dunzei, they got a DJ Moore, they got Zakeas, they draft in the tight, got another tight end, they got cold command, defense seemed to be flying around, and they got Ben Johnson calling plays. DA is Dennis Allen, is the new D.C. I say, I like Chicago, re-balmed offensive line. also the offensive line looked the same
Starting point is 00:07:51 if not worse than what it did last year give Minnesota credit I have to give JJ McCarthy a lot of credit theoretically he's not a rookie but last year got hurt in his rookie season but this is like his rookie season to throw a pick a pick six on the road and not
Starting point is 00:08:06 get down Ocho and to come back and throw two touchdowns and win this game in your first start give J.J. McCarthy some credit yeah absolutely listen watching this game I really thought I was I thought at some point. I thought the Bears were going to run away with this one.
Starting point is 00:08:22 I did too. Caleb Williams looked like Houdini back there. Obviously, being able to process dropping back when things don't happen, one of the few quarterbacks in the NFL that can make something out of nothing when things break down. He looked good, made some very good throws. Obviously, once the pick six happened, once the pick six happened, JJ left that out route inside. I was like, you know what?
Starting point is 00:08:45 Yeah. At this point, this one's over. this game is over man JJ kept on plugging he did kept on plugging a play here
Starting point is 00:08:55 a play there he also being a dual threat quarterback being a both of them both of them could move with the ball too
Starting point is 00:09:01 yeah for sure yeah both them can move with the ball man before you know it man we got a ball game baby we got a ball game you're looking at
Starting point is 00:09:12 Ocho you thought that I route you got to be early and outside because if you even if you late it's going to it's going to be knocked
Starting point is 00:09:19 down at worst. Yeah. No, it'll be knocked down at best. The worst thing that happened is a pick six
Starting point is 00:09:25 going the other way. But if you late and inside, oh yeah. Mm-hmm. And you got to have, you got to have an arm. You know,
Starting point is 00:09:35 most coaches don't. You throw it from the bar hash all the way out? You got to have an arm. So obviously, J.J. Musk got a gun on him for the coaches to be comfortable
Starting point is 00:09:44 with him even throwing that ball. But it's all about placement. It's all You want to miss far rather than miss inside. Hey, when he catch that ball, Ocho, he out of bounds. You catch it, you get two feet down, you out of bounds. Yes. Basically, when you throw that, when that joker playing that right foot,
Starting point is 00:10:04 that ball need to be in error because he's running on the speed. Now, he's not stopping, so he's running a speed out. Yeah, yeah. So when he hit, so before he hit, that ball got to be in there. When he speed out, when he 10 row to 12, Yeah. They got a drop in his hands. When his eyes turn back to look for the ball,
Starting point is 00:10:24 that ball already got to be in the air. Oh, for sure. He got that ball got to already be in the air and he got to kiss the eye line of the ball in flight. Not watching leaving your hand because if it's leaving your hand. Oh, it's way too late, that guy. It weighs way too late.
Starting point is 00:10:37 And you see, first of all, Ocho, the dude playing off. Yeah. So once he see now, he ran out and up, he cooked. But you see how hard. You see how hard he drove on that, Ocho? So he knew, he knew, hey, once he saw a, uh, uh, uh, uh,
Starting point is 00:10:52 jetta put that foot in the dirt. Yeah, he's going. You're running out. I'm driving this. And you got to trust it, though. Mm-hmm. Because a lot of guys, they haven't seen. Like, I don't know what if it's an out and up.
Starting point is 00:11:03 And, you know, you got to get there to knock it down. He's like, nah, I'm going to trust this. If they got an out-n-up, coach, oh, well, they got me on this one. That's what I mean. That's what I'm taking this one to the house. Yeah. But Minnesota, I didn't see, I saw no sound of the life because think about Ocho, like I said, the score was 17 to 6. 17 to 6.
Starting point is 00:11:24 And the next thing you know, Minnesota scored 21 unanswered. Chicago got a late touchdown, got a late touchdown to make it 27, 24. But I think Minnesota going on the road in a hostile environment, this is a division game, and they're doing it with a rookie quarterback. And for him to put up the staff that he did. Look, it wasn't, you know, 13 or 21, 143. They ran the ball 26 times for a buck 20. But for him to go on the road in that environment and to do when things do not. Because if he had got off to a great start, I totally understood them winning.
Starting point is 00:12:01 But it got off to a shaky start. And for him to keep plugging away and keep plugging away, it's quarterback coach is Josh McCown. I say within three years, Josh McCown is a head coach. Oh, Josh. What you're over under three years, Ochoo, head coach? Yeah, probably, especially with quarterback success. Anytime you coach a Pacific position and that Pacific position continues to succeed on whatever team you're coaching.
Starting point is 00:12:26 Especially if it's a quarterback. Yeah, you're going to get your opportunity. Yeah. We're going to get your opportunity. He played a long time, you know, backup, made some plays. I mean, I think he played like 17, 18 years, Ocho. Long time. Yeah, he played a long time.
Starting point is 00:12:41 But Minnesota, you got to give Minnesota credit, Chad. Because like I said, I didn't see, I saw nothing that would make me believe that they had a chance to win this game, especially through the first three quarters. I saw nothing. I saw no life, especially offensively. Now, give the defense credit and the D.C., who's the former coach of the Dolphins, give him credit because he had those guys flying around. They're making plays. Van Greencold and Hargrove, those guys, those guys were flying around tonight. That's one thing he can do.
Starting point is 00:13:15 Now, he dialed up that defense. Yeah. They get after you. He's about the Vikings. Vikings, D.C. Yeah, Brian, Brian Flores. Flores, yes, yes, Florence. Oh, give him credit.
Starting point is 00:13:26 He had those guys playing. Yeah. They were getting pressure with four guys. Occasionally they were bringing extra pressure. But I thought Chicago would be better because they invested in what many thought was a weakness, which is their offensive line. tuning is an all pro a pro bowl player they got jackson from the rams i forget where the center came from but they got it and i'm like damn are y'all sure yeah did y'all forget how to block
Starting point is 00:13:55 did y'all have to get how to pass it did you get how to run block i'm like because this is this is a a recap of what it was last year last night basically hell j j jay mccarthy he threw two two TDs in less than what three, four minutes? Yep. Yep. Matter of fact, it's games like this, like what we saw last night, what we saw the night where people say, oh man,
Starting point is 00:14:20 1760s game is over. You know, they go do something else, come to go in the garage and come back in and the Vikings win the game. Oh, man. Hell, no, this shit is rig. Man, you know everything rig. It's this all rig. It's all rig. It's all rig. And listen,
Starting point is 00:14:36 it was surprising to me too, but actually watch it unfold i'm like well god damn i see why people say that but then you think to yourself no it ain't read because i haven't been out there on that field in the momentum you know when the moment when the moment when the moment when you're home at a way it doesn't not matter if when you the that's what i try to explain to people oh joe yeah when you have the momentum you're gonna have it because the momentum is going to swing you get it they get it they get it they get it how much separation can you put between you and the team when you have the momentum Because they're going to get it back at some point.
Starting point is 00:15:09 Absolutely. And if you haven't put enough momentum, if you haven't put enough space separation, they're going to come back and bite you. Well, well, you would think with that momentum, you would think a 176 lead is enough, is enough space to not lose the game.
Starting point is 00:15:24 But you have JJ come together in that fourth quarter. Right. Well, who the hell is? Well, if you think about the Ocho, that's really, that's not, I mean, 176, that's really a touchdown, a two-point conversion, goal. It's not like the Ravens last night. The Ravens were up 15 with under five minutes to
Starting point is 00:15:43 go. And so now, Ocho, you need a touchdown. You need two touchdowns and a two point conversion just to get even. Yeah. Just to get even. So that was a little bit more formidable, especially, and it's still, like you said, it's the fourth quarter. But I thought that was a more of seemingly an insurmountable lead than what we saw tonight. But considering you got a rookie who hadn't been doing much. That is, look, no matter what you thought about Buffalo, they do have the reigning MVP. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:14 They do have a guy that you know he can go crazy. We haven't seen anything from JJ McCarthy that would make us think that the Minnesota had that in them other than pride, other than this is the division rival. And we know them, they know us. Because guess what? Ben Johnson, he was at Detroit last. year. So offensively, even though he's at another team, Brian Flores already know what he's going to run because I've been coaching against this guy for the last two, three years. So I know what I know who and what he is. The only thing change is the color of the uniforms. Now, now, O'Connell is going to have to go back and fill out, look at a DA and see what he ran when he was in New Orleans.
Starting point is 00:16:58 You know, maybe pull out some tape when he was the head coach at the, uh, the Raiders or old footage of when he was the D.C. at Denver, but for the most part, they know this offense. They know Chicago's offense because they, uh, Florida's been coaching against Ben Johnson for 23 years, but I was, I was, I was very, I was very disappointed in what I saw from Chicago, Ojo, offensively. You think so? Yeah. Uh, you got two number one, okay, you got Roma Dunezay, number one pick, you got DJ
Starting point is 00:17:30 more, you got Cole Komet, uh, you got Zekees, you got Loveland, uh, and you got the number one pick in the draft. And you rebuilt your offensive line. You spent $94 million. 55 of it goes this year towards that offensive line. And the offensive line doesn't look any better. Yeah. All right.
Starting point is 00:17:52 You had Chicago. You say Chicago was your surprise team. I did. I did. You did. So you should be surprised also. They look like this. To me, to me, I'm not, I'm not, I'm throwing caution to win simply because it's
Starting point is 00:18:06 week one that's all that's all and i've done that you notice when it comes to the week one games i haven't been too crazy the way the dolphins look uh the chance of them actually looking that bad again and back-to-back weeks it's slim and none it's the NFL so because it's week one i've given almost every team some grace now we get down the road dunk and we and we in week three and we and we in week three or week four and and stuff is looking like like what we saw tonight allowing teams to come back from you know being down to the definitely like that and they come back and win in the fourth quarter what happened the other night with Baltimore yeah we're scoring 16 points in a four-minute span in an NFL game in one
Starting point is 00:18:47 quarter we know they scored 22 points in the fourth quarter had scored 28 in the second half yeah hey we talk about in in real life not a video game real life yeah you know Josh because Josh had like 240-something passing yards if I'm not mistaken in the fourth quarter alone. He was crazy. But again, week one, and I'm gonna give him, I'm gonna give the Bears really some grace, watching Caleb Williams, made some good throws, had to run
Starting point is 00:19:16 for his life. He had to be Houdini. Yeah, man. Oh, my goodness. And I don't know. Joe, Joe Tunney would be the captain. Left guard. I mean, yeah, he would be the leader of that, that offensive line. And I think Jonah Jackson
Starting point is 00:19:32 they got from the Rams. I think Delman, a Dalman, I'm not sure I by that I'm just I just glanced at his name when he was on the back because it was you know you could see it and the next thing you know it was sideways I couldn't see it because he was chasing somebody that was going by but this is not no this is not what Ben Johnson envisioned like you said it is the first game but I just thought I would see I would see more I would see better from what I saw from the Chicago from the Chicago Bears but but give Minnesota credit. They go on the road basically with a rookie quarterback and they get a very hard fought division, a division win. So they're tied with Green Bay. I want to know what
Starting point is 00:20:16 top of the division and the Bears and the Lions are 0.1. They're at the bottom of the division. Oh. Drew Dalman. That's his name Drew Dalman. J.J. McCarthy is the first Vikings quarterback with multiple touchdown passes in his
Starting point is 00:20:32 first NFL game since Hall of Fame. 1961, Fran Tarkin. That performance also came against the Bears. Hmm. I don't know you don't remember Fran, but Fran used to be running all over the feet.
Starting point is 00:20:47 Fran might have been the first scrambling quarterback, huh? No, maybe. Yeah. Fran talking to it, well, number 10. Yeah, come on. I went to two of his games. Yeah, he was, he was scrambling. But that's a, congratulations, Minnesota, 2724.
Starting point is 00:21:04 Congratulations, JJ McCarthy. Two touchdown passes. First time it's been done by starter, a rookie star of, what, hold up. What was the thing? The first Vikings quarterback with multiple touchdown passes
Starting point is 00:21:17 in his first NFL game. There have been a lot of quarterback start from Minnesota between 61 and 25. But JJ McCarthy and Fran Tark is the only one two to do it. And you're talking about my sister was born in 60. So she's 65. So 64 years has a laugh between a quarterback in his first NFL game
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Starting point is 00:26:35 Coach Brian Dayball said, Daveau said there would never serious decision, despite rookie Jackson Dart waiting in the ring wings. Russ will be the starter. Russ went 17 to 37, 168 with no touchdowns or interceptions in the season opening loss. He was especially ineffective under pressure, Ocho. Two of 12, 26 yards with two sacks, two scrambles. New York managed just 231 yards of total offense installed twice inside the red zone. I think the last thing you want to do, Ochoo, is start a rookie on the road in Dallas, division rival, hostile environment.
Starting point is 00:27:10 All things being equal, I would rather start him at home or coming out of the buy. So I get that little extra time to prepare. But what you think, Ocho? I mean, listen, there's no question, not to panic. You're hitting the panic button after week one. Obviously, if you watch the game, if you watch the Giants play against the commander, Hell, Russell was running for his life too. Now, what he does have to do, he has to settle down in that pocket a little bit.
Starting point is 00:27:32 I know you're getting hit upside to head. Sometimes take the first throw you see and just let it go because you're holding on to the ball waiting for things to develop and you don't have the time for that to happen. No. And it showed. Listen, if I don't, again, in situations like that, with the defensive line on top of Russell Wilson
Starting point is 00:27:51 where he can't make the throws or see the passing lanes that he wants to, I'm getting the ball out right away. right away understanding what defense in front of me and whatever my first read is but a ball is coming right away so get your head around i want to get the ball out right away but nobody's open right away because the thing i'm trying to do is i'm trying to take that first throw away and i look first of all ohcho they've got to be lanes russ is only so tall it's not like he's josh allen it's not like he can see over the lineman and see down the field he needs lanes to be able to see yeah all things being equal and he's not like he's He'd like to buy some time. He'd like to be, you know, a little outside of the pocket. So I can clearly see. Yeah. But I agree with you.
Starting point is 00:28:37 I think maybe if not after the first game. No. But I still believe over under eight games that Jackson Dark is going to be starting. Now, it's going to be interesting to see there's reports that they might have a package or two for Jackson Dart on Sunday. The question is, do you think they'll have a package on Sunday in Dallas? for Jackson Dart? Or they just let Russ ride it out?
Starting point is 00:29:02 Let Russ cook. Let him cook. If you're the head chef at the restaurant, right? If you're a head chef at a restaurant, you don't want one of the waiters outside coming in and telling you how to cook. You don't want them coming in and messing up your rhythm as a quarterback.
Starting point is 00:29:17 Listen, if Jackson's already going to sit, allow him to do just that. Allow them to sit. If Russell Wilson is your head chef, let the man be quarterback number one until you decide to make a change. hell you might not have to make a change you might not have to but why prep why prep why prep jack start and getting him ready what message is that send to russell wilson what message if he's quarterback number one let him be quarterback number one this ain't college this isn't high school okay you know we're going to make some special packages for this individual because we're getting him ready to play and what what i don't like that message i don't like what it sends of russell wilson let the man play until he loses his job job I remember when um when uh they drafted Lamar Jackson yeah had packages for him
Starting point is 00:30:06 yeah yeah you keep saying they say let Russ cook but people keep sitting in the dishback so how I'm gonna keep let somebody right on you know they keep sitting in the dishback hey hey well you sharp you sharp that's a good one I mean, never sit the dish bag, Pittsburgh sent the dish back. I mean, people keep sitting in the dish. Seemed like the Giants hadn't been pleased, but they say, you know what? Let's order something else. Maybe it was what we ordered that wasn't up to our standard or to our satisfaction.
Starting point is 00:30:43 Let's order something else. What do you recommend, Chef Wilson? Because sometimes you go to a restaurant, they have what they call chef's choice. Yes. Whatever you like, Shep, you do, do what you do. How would you like that prepared? Chef's choice. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:04 You're right. So I just, I think, I think that's the kind of the direction that, um, that the Giants are going to head in. Um, can we, can we get Dallas? Can we get, uh, the Giants schedule? Can you put it right quick? Um, I think that's going to be more than anything, Ocho. Yes, sir. because the last thing I want to do is fine.
Starting point is 00:31:29 I mean, let's see Philly. Okay, Philly's on the road this week in Kansas City. That's not going to be an easy game, but Kansas City is going to be without the two top receivers. It looks like a word that's dealing with a dislocated shoulder. I told you. You're talking about an AC. I said, nah, the way that collision,
Starting point is 00:31:49 because like you said, Ocho, you, I mean, just imagine you running. And not, yeah. I said the same thing. Remember, I said it was grade three. Yeah, well, I thought it was a separate. Yeah, it's a, they said dislocation, separation. So, me and the show, it came out. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:07 Oh, Cho. Let me put a jersey on. It's cold in here. Chat. They lost to Washington. Then they got at Dallas, Kansas City at home, charges at home, at New Orleans, Eagles at home
Starting point is 00:32:25 at Denver, at Philly the Niners at home at Chicago, Green Bay at home, at Detroit, at New England, Washington at home, Minnesota at home, at Las Vegas, Dallas at home. Woo!
Starting point is 00:32:44 They got a smoker. So basically you look at that from September the 14th until November 2nd, they got Dallas, Kansas City, the Chargers at New Orleans. We'll see, Philly, Denver, Philly Niners. Chad, what y'all thinking? How y'all, what y'all think of? How many wins in there?
Starting point is 00:33:12 At Dallas, Kansas City at home, charges at home, at New Orleans, Eagles at home, at Denver, at Philly, Niners at home. How many wins y'all see? Boy, let's something unforeseen. I mean, ooh, man, they're going to have to be on their best behavior. They're going to have to really play their ass off because. Who that? I was just, I just went over their schedule. And they're at Dallas.
Starting point is 00:33:45 So I just went over their schedule from September 14th, which is Sunday, all the way to November 2nd. So they're at Dallas, they get Kansas City at home, they get the charges at home, they get the Saints on the road, Eagles at home, Denver on the road, Philly on the road. That's their next seven games. But that's a nice little schedule, too. That's a nice little schedule. And listen, not only is it a nice little schedule.
Starting point is 00:34:10 It's a great test for Russell Wilson. It's a great test for Rush Wilson to see if the ball wants to continue with him going forward or throw Jackson throw it out to the wolves. We keep calling for Jackson Dart to come in and play. And that is a rookie in the same preseason. What are you going to get out there in these regular season games where they're trying to confuse your quarterback and get your thinking to throw you off your pivot?
Starting point is 00:34:35 It's a different ball game. It's a different ball game. And everybody, oh, put Jackson Dart in, put Jackson Dart in after one game. All right. All right. But boy, they got, they got, they got a, they got a, they got a, they got a, they got a little tough schedule, Ocho. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:34:58 They got a tough schedule. They got the Cowboys. Kansas City at home. Oh, my God. Back in the charge. The charges at home. Then they're at New Orleans. Then they get Philly at home.
Starting point is 00:35:10 They can breathe a little bit. Oh, my God. At, at Denver, at Philly. The charge of the 49 is at home. Hey, I don't know who made that schedule, but that's, that's personal. Yeah, they got to, uh, I just, I just, when you look at it, Ocho, is that the giants are really like, okay, we don't want to, like, because everybody thinks that like, if you go to a rookie, kind of giving up on the season. Basically is what you're saying. But I don't want my fans because, but the fans booing every time we come off the field
Starting point is 00:36:02 when we don't give no first downs and we're putting. Well, listen, they're going to be boring extra loud. You put Jackson out there and you can't get no first downs. Well, I think people are more sympathetic to a rookie not getting a first down at as opposed to Russ not getting first down because they're looking they're looking at jackson dart as their future they're not looking at russ they're like man look russ is just the placeholder right understandable um so but like you said i mean the the first two games on the road that's never that's never easy um even if you got one of the better teams
Starting point is 00:36:44 um it's tough to win on the road it's tough to win in the NFL it's even tougher to win on the and basically they give you two division opponents you start the season with two division opponents on the road yeah hey they'll those first five or six games that they have in general yes I mean the really probably the only game they're going to be favored in Ocho it's probably I don't know they'll be favorite against the Saints because the Saints are at home they're not going to be favored against Dallas Kansas City the charges New Orleans at home they're not going to be favorite, excuse me, New Orleans on the road.
Starting point is 00:37:20 They're not going to be favorite at Philly at home. They're not going to be favored at Denver on the road, Philly on the road, or the 49th of the home. They're not going to be favored. No. That's nasty work. Whoever did this schedule. That's nasty work.
Starting point is 00:37:35 Yeah, I don't, I mean, their defense is going to have to, like, keep them in some of these games. Yeah. But, and I think in order for that to happen, that means your offense can't turn the ball over. You've got to possess the ball some because if you don't possess the ball enough, you'll wear your defense down and then a crack would turn into a full-blown, you know, overflow. Yeah. So that's what the Giants are up against. Like I said, I don't envy the position that they're in because they've got some tough decisions to make.
Starting point is 00:38:08 They bent on one guy, Daniel Jones, and that wasn't it. They went back into the draft. They, like, Russ, okay, hopefully Russ can hold us over until next year. Maybe he can, maybe he can't. But clearly they viewed Jackson Dart as their future. But they, you know, and the offensive line, the offensive line isn't good. If somebody would have told me Evan Neal would turn out to be the player that he's turned out to be, he's not good. Alabama, Consensus, All-American, 6'7, 340 pounds. They showed him he jumping up on something with one.
Starting point is 00:38:43 leg, Ocho, big for no reason. He ain't paying out the way you thought? No. No. Hell, if they didn't pay them all their money, he'll be a big-ass equipment manager. But they got 50, 50, 60, but they got all that money tied up in. He was the top 10 pick. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:04 I mean, when you look at them. He's supposed to be the left. They move him to the right because your left tackle is supposed to be your most athletic offensive linemen because he's dealing with the miles garrets he's dealing with the michael parsons he's dealing with those level of guys the bond millers but so they took it from the left and put him on the right so normally that's the run side most people are run right-handed dominant they run to the right side the 49 is bucked that because Trent t dub is a dominant run but most teams they run to their right they put him on the right side oh cho
Starting point is 00:39:42 I mean, he's just like, slowly I turn. Stepp, buy, still. And the guy don't go on by him. He won't buy him, yeah. I mean, listen. I'm like, dude. Yeah. And if they move him from left tackle, they don't trust him.
Starting point is 00:39:58 Oh, no, no. They don't trust him. That's the quarterback blind side. And that's the kind of money they paid among. He's supposed to be at the left time because that's the money position. Oh, that's what they drafted the man. They drafted him as a left. They drafted them as a left time.
Starting point is 00:40:12 Yeah. Six foot seven, three hundred and twenty five, three thirty, three forty, agile. I mean in college, but you, that just goes to show you. So a lot of times you play them big guys in the name, ooh, man. Right. Man, them guys in the NFL don't give it down about your name. They don't care nothing about that. Oh, Alabama, man, you heard about that big officer tackle?
Starting point is 00:40:34 He favored to win the Outland, the Lombardi, and this one and that one. And so you played in Alabama, you played at one of these prominent schools, prominent schools, people might fear that. Don't nobody fear nobody in the NFL. At all. I got kids to feed. Yeah, absolutely. I got bills to pay.
Starting point is 00:40:52 I don't care who you play for. You're going to get this worth. Yes. What's worth of it? Well, I didn't go to Alabama, and I ain't got no big time boosters. I went to Savannah State, and we ain't got no big time boosters that's offering jobs. Yeah. And all the coaching positions are field, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,
Starting point is 00:41:11 And General Johnson, he wasn't hired me as a general manager of his car dealership. So I was going to be out of work. If somebody going to be out of work, it ain't going to be me. That's all I'm saying. It ain't going to be me. I got choice. We got two choices. We got a choice to me.
Starting point is 00:41:25 You and I both got a choice. One of us going to be out of work. I choose you. Now, who you nominate? Oh, Joe, who are you nominating? Ben, please. I'm just surprised, though, Joe. I just thought that he was like,
Starting point is 00:41:41 I was like, man, but if you go back and look at it, a lot of those officers of linemen from Alex Leatherwood and Jonah, a lot of those guys didn't pan out. Yeah, Dickerson, he got hurt. He'd wanted towards an ACL. Yeah, hell, he might be that best lineman. And they got another one that I think he plays center at the end, at the Colts.
Starting point is 00:42:05 But all the rest of those top linemen, a pork chop walmack. Right, right. It's different. It's different. When the level of competition evens out and you're playing against Grom and all the stuff we did in college, unless it carries over and you're who we thought you were, you'll get exposed, huh?
Starting point is 00:42:28 Right. You get exposed. You're exactly right. Because like you said, people got guys, got, and just imagine, if you're supposed to be this hot shot guy and I go through you, what does that do for my confidence? I ain't looking at you. I'm looking, because I heard what everything is everybody,
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Starting point is 00:47:55 Shabed is good to see you. Oh, geez. No, I'm only, I'm only 23. I'm only 23. Not the OGs, man, the OGs. I appreciate that, bro. I'll gladly accept that. big game Friday night
Starting point is 00:48:09 you're on the road in Brazil you get there a little early you understand what's at stake look your guys went to the playoff last year but the big dog on top of the mountain that you guys trying to topple the Broncos trying to topple they're the team that's the red and the white they've been at the top of the mountain for 12 13 years consecutive
Starting point is 00:48:29 and you say you know what coach harbock come in there with that attitude said nah you know what it's time for a new king to be in the kingdom what were you guys as thought process how did you guys go out there
Starting point is 00:48:39 and get this job done I mean like you just said we already had that mindset that we was going to get some guys who'd been you know known to run
Starting point is 00:48:48 the conference not only the conference but the league for the past few years but we are in a different era right now as far as our team goes as far as organization
Starting point is 00:48:57 it's Jim Harbaugh and we're trying to show that right now that's our brand of football that you just seen that Friday night out there in Brazil and that's just
Starting point is 00:49:04 what we're trying to drive throughout the rest of the season, not only just for this season, but for years to come. And, you know, to, you know, be the best, you got to beat the best. And at one point, it was a chees, but we also got them, them dudes in green this season, too. So we're looking forward to it. We're looking forward to all the comp. We want all of it. Yeah, I mean, I really enjoy what you guys did Friday. Obviously, Justin Herbert doing what he needs to do and putting the league on notice and defensively. But y'all young, y'all young bulls out there flying around, playing with tenacity, being physical,
Starting point is 00:49:34 coming to the party, you know, as a group. So looking forward to the next game. What do you think you guys need to do to continue to make sure you solidify yourselves as true contenders, not just in the division, but I know it's only week two, but to compete for a Lombardi trophy. Because based on what we saw the other night,
Starting point is 00:49:55 you got the quarterback that to do so. I mean, I tweeted out right after the game was Respect 10. That's something that we, as a team, we hold that. We hold that real high because, I mean, you only as good as your quarterback. And then as that person, or you feel me? Like, when we got a guy and a leader or him, we know how far we can take this thing. And we believe in not only him, but as far as our coaches and the staff and what we built here, we're just ready to, you know, to prove it.
Starting point is 00:50:21 You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, we're looking for it. It was week by week. You know, one and O, that's the goal every week is to be one and O, get to two and no and see how far we can take this thing. You know, we can't take any game for granted. all smoke, like I said, is welcome. And you called his young bulls, so that 23 thing out the window.
Starting point is 00:50:39 I hope you know that. You called a joke. You was 23 a second ago. Now we young bulls. I'm saying, you call me OG, so I'm gonna pay the respect back and I'm gonna call you young bull. I'm a young bull.
Starting point is 00:50:53 I just want you to know you can go ahead. You know, it's nice and shiny, though. Here, what's the biggest difference? You play for a lot of coaches. I mean, going up in Pop Warner in high school and college. And now you have Jim Harbaugh. And what did you hear about him?
Starting point is 00:51:09 Did you ask anybody that had ever, you know, played for him, played under him at the University of Michigan, at Stanford, at Sanford, at the Niners? Did you know anybody that played for him? And what type of coach? What are you getting? Is he everything that you thought? I mean, I would definitely say he everything that I thought he would be. Before he got to us, I definitely heard a lot about Coach Harbaugh. I mean, I mean, the dude's personality, it goes through any, any room, you feel me.
Starting point is 00:51:38 He walks in a lot of rooms that he ain't ever been in. Well, you know, that type of name he got. And that's because of the personality and how outstanding and upstanding he is as a guy. And I heard a lot of stories about him, just about him coming to L.A. You know, I'm from L.A., from the city. And not a lot of coaches do the on-ground recruiting out here in this city. But I heard a lot, and not only you hear a lot, but I've seen a lot of pictures of just hardball, you know, being on foot out here and going to recruit guys
Starting point is 00:52:05 and just being a relatable, as relatable as he can be. So you feel like just, and he's that, man. He's just that genuine type of guy. He's the guy you want to fight for a guy that will fight with you, though. You know, it's not about fighting for him, but he'll fight with you. And who would follow a leader like that? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:23 Your linebacker's coach, Navarra Bowman, both played next to him and Patrick Willis for the longest time. They were the best two, they were the best duo. in football, there was some thumpers. I mean, PAA, uh, uh, uh, will, coming down here. But I think Navarro Bowman was very underrated because he was
Starting point is 00:52:43 playing to a guy that was an all that was perennial all pro. That was war number 52 and his idol was Ray Lewis. And he was as fast. He was as physical and he could do it all. But Navarro Bowman, if you watch the 49ers, if you studied the 49ers before he got injured, bow, bow was that dude.
Starting point is 00:53:02 Hey, hey, you see, I got to take the Oakley's off. You feel, me, you know, I got to take the Oakley's off. I got to, you know, I just got them drugs today. Shout out Oakley for that. But, I mean, you're talking about a guy with not only just the resume, but he still, he still could go ball today. I mean, I still feel, I mean, I'll be trying to keep my guy, you know, just at coach level. But he'll still try to get out there and show me some. about hitting something.
Starting point is 00:53:33 I'd be like, come on, dude, it's my turn now, you feel me? But I look at his tape, man. I study who he is. I study who he is. You feel me? I don't want to say who he was because he is that guy. He's 100% to that guy. And I feel like not only was he next to a Hall of Famer,
Starting point is 00:53:47 but him himself and what he did on that field, he should also be a bunch of them ranks too one day. Because, I mean, he had them all pros. He had the injury, the bounce back from the injury. You know what I'm saying? The stuff that's unnatural. That's not really normal. And it's like, you know, you got that type of resume and you become a coach.
Starting point is 00:54:08 I look at what he do. I look at what he say. Then I can go turn on the film and be like, now you, you about that. And I mean, oh, yeah, he really, he really was. He was about that. He was about that. Was y'all ever feel the same time? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm way, I'm way, I'm way, I'm way.
Starting point is 00:54:25 Oh, wait. Hey, I was with him. Hey, I was with him. I ran Lavaro over a few times. You did what? Rayty Mova? Real quarter slant, court of slant,
Starting point is 00:54:36 a little mid-dig, and instead of cutting up, I just ran back into him, asking about it. Oh, no, no, no, no,
Starting point is 00:54:43 I'm asking about it. Hey, I was held a deal with, way. I was hell to deal with, what? I heard you shied away from contact, though.
Starting point is 00:54:51 Who? You? I was, I was 6-4-2-30. What I'm shouting away for? Oh, no. I mean, I remember,
Starting point is 00:55:00 see, be watching y'all, man. Y'all got a lot of influence on us. I mean, y'all, oh, geez, I don't heard you talk about not being a contact receiver. I've heard you verbatim say that that wasn't in your game. You can't be saying, you have to listen to me. Close me. I'm listening. I said, I don't like contact in game because I get my uniform out the cleaners on game day. Now, I welcome contact it. That's what you want to do. So have you have you see foot on I'm with whatever on Sundays. You feel me?
Starting point is 00:55:35 On dead homies? I'm dead homies. Oh, not on my dad homies, though. Not on yours, on mine. Yeah, you can't put them on my day homies because I don't think you hit both. I don't think you did that. And if you put them on my dad on, I know they're rolling right now, so you can't do that with my doing what you're going to.
Starting point is 00:55:51 Respect. Hey, listen, if let's just, I'm going to give you better perspective. I'm going to give you better perspective and better context if it was in 225. Okay. I was playing in today's game. and there was a chance that say you was playing against me me right me yeah
Starting point is 00:56:07 you're playing against me I'm locked in I'm game around let's go you locked in yeah let's go before the game start I'm probably gonna talk at your game in the game I'm probably in the game I'm probably gonna run you over at some point because you too little
Starting point is 00:56:24 you too little for me for my type for my kind like I respect you and what you do I've been listen I've been watch this is you a little kid. You didn't even know that. Oh, Cho, you know he started out as a wide receiver. He switched to the linebacker. Hey, I was too dark for that room over there.
Starting point is 00:56:41 I was too much for him over there. I ain't going to lie. Coach looked at me and said, you're a little too physical to be doing what you're doing to these dudes. You probably should be on the dark side. And I say, you know what? If I was anything like Chad, I'd say no. I'm going to go ahead and do that.
Starting point is 00:56:55 I'm going to go ahead and flip the switch on y'all. Here I'm saying. So let me ask you question. Who did you model you coming up? Obviously, you started as a wire receiver. Yeah. So when you were the wire receiver, who did you model your game after? And then once you switched to the defensive side and you became a linebacker,
Starting point is 00:57:13 what are some of the linebackers that you're like, okay, I like his game? Let me see if I could add some of that to mine. So this is how like this whole life, a whole lot of life, you feel, me happening in my little 25. But I was a QB all the way up into, I got to college. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was QB from five years old to 17. I went to.
Starting point is 00:57:31 I went to Chris Shaw. How you just don't you watch me here? Oh, Hey, Hey, listen, listen, you got to understand.
Starting point is 00:57:38 Hold on, you got to understand. I was, I was over there by Dorsey off, off of the third building. So, you feel me?
Starting point is 00:57:46 Oh, man, I mean. I know, I know, it's all good. It's all good. Come on.
Starting point is 00:57:50 I was on the other side. The disrespect. I know about you. I know about you. I was watching you. I didn't know you play quarterback, though. The disrespect, man.
Starting point is 00:57:59 All I'm going to say is, look, I was a QB Right, right My shot at Nevada University of Nevada They turned me into an athlete You feel me
Starting point is 00:58:07 I didn't get an offer At a position They offer me as an athlete You know Look that up They don't That what happened often Okay
Starting point is 00:58:12 They put me in the receiver room Like I said At that point Just to ask you a question I look at a lot of guys Like yourself You feel me Just had to see how to run routes
Starting point is 00:58:23 You mean properly I was throwing the routes But you know Not really running routes So I looked at you Shout out OBJ Sean McA Shout out of some guys who just, I feel like at the end of the day, they come down with the ball.
Starting point is 00:58:34 So went from that and got into my defensive side of mine. And the first dude I really, like, looked into was probably Ed Reed, man, just a physical dude. Because I didn't go straight linebacker. I was a safety at first. Okay, yeah, Ed, take the ball away. Yeah, yeah. If I'm going to look at anybody, I'm going to look at who I, I'd be. Yeah, for sure.
Starting point is 00:58:51 And I used to watch the Ravens a lot. So shout out, too. I used to watch the Ravens a lot. I used to appreciate that. I see y'all hard, not sacking a fool. You ain't kidding. You don't change, but I used to watch the Ravens a lot. So, Airy, and then obviously you look, you look right below.
Starting point is 00:59:06 You got Ray Lewis, man. You got one of the grades. And then you just go from near. Once you get into that mindset, you can kind of just go from near. And then, like, I, you feel me? I told him this before, but shout on Navar Bowman, man. You look at that tandem that he was part of respect. So I was able to watch a lot of grades and then messed around and got next to one, man.
Starting point is 00:59:28 And it's a number of respect. I'm just trying to make my mark. It's about legacy. But let me ask you, what made you decide to choose zero? Of all the numbers you could have, I mean, what's special about zero? You see what I just said about that legacy right there. Yeah, yeah, you start your own. You know what I'm saying, that legacy, man.
Starting point is 00:59:45 I mean, I got to the league. No wrong with that, bro. It just so happened that zero was available for the first time in the NFL. I didn't have one as an option. my draft my draft class mate was Quentin Johnson he was our first rounder he was number one in college obviously the one go to him that was my most recent number
Starting point is 01:00:05 it was one and 11 was taken so I looked at zero as an opportunity to make my mark and do something and you know be remembered there's a lot of zeros and and only one right now as a charger so I just had to do what I can you do realize when you get a single digit number now you got to be that boy dog yeah yeah you understand that
Starting point is 01:00:25 Hey, I'm just saying. Hey, Shay, I understand that. But as always, I bet on myself. And I'm not, I'm not a boastful dude by any means. And even now, just talking to y'all, I know where I'm at right now in my process. And I know that I'm just trying to, trying to continue to grow. So I look at that zero as anything is it's a blank slate, I'm blank slate every game, every week. And what I do to build on that is what I'm going to leave behind when I lead that number one day.
Starting point is 01:00:55 And that's what I just, you know, that's how I move. That's my mindset is, like you said, be a dog. You know, I got to make that move every day. And I got coaches, got players, teammates, staff members pushing me every day. Yeah. Hey, listen, you've gotten through training camp. We've gotten to three season. Now we've gotten through week one.
Starting point is 01:01:13 Yeah. How's the body feel? How's everything holding up? How do you feel going into the week two? I mean, one thing we know about football, y'all, is, is, are you ever 100%? No. Not after you take your after training camp. I'm trying to tell you, you're never 100%,
Starting point is 01:01:28 but it's about what you can do with that percentage that you are. And so for me, my body is where it is, and it's good. You know, I'm dealing with my little bumps and bruises training cap is long. A hardball training cap is long as hell. Yes. So for both of them. And R and started early than everybody else's. We had that fourth preseason game, now Hall of Fame game.
Starting point is 01:01:48 So it's been alone for us, but I got the training staff that's been taking care of me. Shout out them. and we got a long season ahead of us and I'm just maintaining you know, I got to make sure I maintain it and keep where I'm at right now. You went to Crenshaw High. Are there any other
Starting point is 01:02:04 athletes or famous people that went to high school with you? With me? Yes. At this, no, no, no. It wasn't any that we have. You didn't have no matter from your team that made it to the league?
Starting point is 01:02:17 Nah, no, none in my class, none are in the league right now. I think Daniel, Grisiac was a defensive end that was right under me. He was with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers most recently. He's a free agent right now, but in the past, I couldn't
Starting point is 01:02:33 even tell you. It's been me. I think since, like, D. Anthony Thomas, or no, no, Jane A. Harris was more, most recent one was about like some years ago. Because y'all have a lay, I mean, that high school crinchots put a lot of guys into the league. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:48 Yeah. Crinshaw and Dorsey. Yeah. Crinshaw. And stop mentioning them with me on the line. My bad, my bad, my bad, my bad, my bad, twin. I respect them for L.A. I do. My bad twin. Hey, Shannon, I don't think you understand.
Starting point is 01:03:03 This is a real rivalry, man. I mean, I used to lead them games with blood on my jersey that wasn't from football. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? So he keep playing on me right now. My bad, my bad. My bad. He's old, so I'm trying to get him, stall them out.
Starting point is 01:03:18 Okay, okay. But check this. Let me ask you this. Your father is you. Gene, big you, Henley, June. Yes, sir. Did he make a conscious effort or was it you to make sure you stay away from that? Because you mentioned Crenshaw.
Starting point is 01:03:30 And we've heard all the stories. I mean, maybe it's not as, maybe it's not as heavily involved as it once was it. But it used to be a lot of gang, a lot of gang affiliation, a lot of gang violence. Did he made a, did you do that? Or did he do make a concerted effort? Say, son, this is not the life for you. You're going to go do something positive. One thing that I grew up understanding was that what my family is and who we are to this city is going to always be with me.
Starting point is 01:03:58 And my dad made it clear that I got a choice every day to make to be above all of that, you know? And so my dad made it very clear. That's not what he wanted for me in my life. He made it very, very clear that I had a better chance of making it to where I needed to go because I had his support. And I got two older brothers. a bari henley michael henley they're my older brothers and they live a different life than me you see what people would assume i would have taken they live right and they and they made those choices and that was because of the absence of my father at a time you feel me he wasn't there
Starting point is 01:04:34 for them as much as he was for me i got my dad fresh outs about four years old and so he told me like straight up you ain't got no option bro i'm here and make sure we'll make sure we'll make sure we get this done and done the right way. And obviously, you get to, you get to an age where you do have to make the decisions, you know, because he's not, he, he not holding my hand. So that's why I say it was a collaborative, collaborative effort. And then shout on my mom, Stacey Henley, because she was right there and holding down the house.
Starting point is 01:05:04 That was, that was, I mean, one woman that taught me strength, you know. She showed me a lot about what strength is then, and especially now. So shout on my mom, like I said, Stacey Henley. and shout on my pots for where I am now. I like that. I like that you made a positive decision. How much do you go back because there are a lot of kids that maybe don't think they have a choice? The only choice that they can make is that life, but you're living proof.
Starting point is 01:05:29 Like I got two older brothers, my dad, but I made a decision that that life wasn't for me. I believe that I had something better in store that my life, God had something bigger, planned for me. Yeah. He had something bigger plan for you, but you just have to make the right decision. That's 100%. And you said, how often do I go back? I'll put it in frame of mind for you right now. We got back from Brazil at 10 a.m. in the morning.
Starting point is 01:05:58 Yeah. My brother called me and said, it's a Pop Warner game and Compton right now. I'm fresh off the plane. I'm going to go see them kids. It's just what it is. I was in training cap, OTAs. I did a football cap for him, and I could. really go see him or be involved
Starting point is 01:06:16 then you tell me you can't I got a real job I got a real job yeah you got a real night and I can't go all the time or you know just any time and this was the opportunity fresh off the plane straight from a 14 hour flight got in the Uber drop my stuff off at the
Starting point is 01:06:32 facility and went to go see the kids and that's that was yeah that was just this uh what Saturday so I was able to go do that and that's just you feel me when I can I will and uh that's just you know showing love to the kids. Not only is it just trying to be a role model, but like showing them it's an option. I didn't, I didn't really see this, this close of an athlete. They, they look
Starting point is 01:06:53 at me the same number. They look at me like, I'm just day on, you know? Like, they are, you know, the NFL thing kind of wearing off, but I, I want them to understand that this isn't normal, but also I want them to understand that it's a 10th. Yeah, that's, that's a lot. That's dope. That's dope. You guys face the Raiders on week two, Monday night football. you are you already looking at tape you are because they got a win they went on the road to new england got a big win gino threw for three over 300 yards uh brock bowles we don't know his status that would be somebody possible you could be matched up with we don't know he did uh injure his knee didn't return to the game but i'm sure coach harbott's going to tell
Starting point is 01:07:33 you guys a and bowl go say look we're gonna we're gonna practice and prepare as if he's playing and if he doesn't pair uh play we'll make an adjustment but we're not going to get caught what I, you know, oh, he ain't playing and all of a sudden he show up and we don't have the proper technique and the plan and play for it. Now, you definitely understand. You know how I go.
Starting point is 01:07:53 You know how I go. We locked in. Today we straight, we, hey, we wipe one and no. Now we're trying to get that to and no mindset going in. And obviously, that's always and every day we move and trying to get forward. You feel me? So we're definitely on to the next team.
Starting point is 01:08:09 We got one heck of a coaching staff over. here in Pina. We know he about shout on my DeV's coordinator, Jesse Mentor, today he was just talking about it. This is a team that are exactly where we were last year. New coach,
Starting point is 01:08:24 not only a new coach, but a proven coach that knows how to win. And then with the staff that they feel that they are being able to curate and rejuvenate. So we see the competition and we see the tasks at hand and then we know what we're going over to do.
Starting point is 01:08:40 It's Raiders. It's a natural rivalry going on and then, you know, Harbaugh and Carol. Pete, this goes back, this go back to college. This go back to Stanford, the USC. What's your deal? What's your deal? Got my coach back.
Starting point is 01:08:57 I got my coach back. That's all I'm saying. I got my coach back. Deion, thanks for coming on with us tonight, man. Thanks for giving us a few moments of your time. We really, really appreciate it. Keep up the great work, not only on the field, but in the community as well.
Starting point is 01:09:11 Tell the family I said hello. No, you know what? Y'all win that division. Come back on and tell us about it. You know, you know, that's what we're going. We're chasing that. My sister told me to tell you she love you. And then, chat, the Madden ratings.
Starting point is 01:09:23 Well, tell me what you need. Tell me what you need. I just want, I just want my power. I want my death. I got you. I just want you to watch me. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I've been watching you since Chris, y'all.
Starting point is 01:09:37 I know you. Nothing given, man. Nothing given. I'll earn it. I ain't got no problem with earning my. I just, I didn't finally get the status to you, y'all'm saying. I got a stage. I got you.
Starting point is 01:09:48 I got you. Hey, one, one question. I don't mean any degree, but my grandma always told me a closed mouth don't get fed. But if I do make my way to L.A., if I can get just one, one ticket. Hey, man, what you need? What you need? It's just one. I travel alone with my, I might travel.
Starting point is 01:10:06 I got a ticket. I got a church for both of y'all. You're my, man, y'all my OG's number. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, we ain't talk about, we ain't talk about him. We ain't talk about him. We talk about me. He leave me behind, man. He don't take me nowhere.
Starting point is 01:10:17 He said, I don't got too old. I can't keep up. It's lying. Yeah, yeah. I got, you know, I travel with me, me and my baby, you know, me and my girl. Come on, man, I got you. I got you.
Starting point is 01:10:27 That's love. It's nothing. There's nothing. Y'all trying to come to sideline. We get the passes. Hey. I want to stay on the sideline. The whole game.
Starting point is 01:10:35 Mm-mm. I only just became captain. Okay. Okay. It's only my first year out here. He's all about Ocho. Man, damn. Hold on.
Starting point is 01:10:46 You try to get the man for a captainship revoke. I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying? Harbaugh know me. He knows me. We go way back. Way back. I did play.
Starting point is 01:10:57 I was in the league when Harbaugh played. So I did play with him. Oh, yeah. He was, he was my quarterback one year at the Pro Bowl when he was at Indy. Yeah. Oh.
Starting point is 01:11:10 Yeah, I am. I am. Damn. You can be coaching somebody. Oh, no. I ain't got no patience to do that now. Hey, I see how you talk about these players, man. You probably, you probably, you probably right.
Starting point is 01:11:26 No. I ain't going to even hold you on that one. When you're right, you ain't wrong. Respect my dog, Tim, man. Respect him, man. Oh, he balled out. Yeah. But you know, when you're that level of talent, you know, you know you get jealous.
Starting point is 01:11:41 by postseason. Much differently. Hey, he ain't got much to say to y'all, so I say it for him. And that's just to be just watch what he do. We believe in that, man. Best believe. Because you know, hey, now you, what's going on? Hey, tell Quinn Johnson.
Starting point is 01:11:59 You already know. You already know what this field. Come on now. Hey. Come on. Hey, there you go. Come on now. There you go.
Starting point is 01:12:06 You see how you treat our guests? Come on. You see how you doing, man. What are you doing? What are you doing? turning this into. You're trying to bait me. You're trying to rage bait me. I was like for life. Don't do it. Don't do it.
Starting point is 01:12:18 Here. For life. Respect, respect to every opponent. The country. Respect to every opponent. Bronco country. Raze up now. Come on. Hey, see, that's why. I told you just get me tickets.
Starting point is 01:12:34 See what I mean? Hey, hey, here. For life. That's what we own. Okay. I respect it. Bray, appreciate you, bro. Get some rest.
Starting point is 01:12:47 Good luck this weekend. Stay healthy and we'll see you down the road. Shout out, Charming. I appreciate you for having me. Dayy-all in Henley, ladies and gentlemen. I'm Dan. He's Ty. Hello.
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