Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Unc speaks on being let go from ESPN

Episode Date: July 31, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to Cam Ward not being in the top 10 ratings for Madden Rookies, Browns Owner says some BS about Shedeur Sanders, Daryl Morey felt the need to talk bad about the Lakers 2020 title, and much more! 05:30 - Shannon about ESPN07:25 - Big Mad About Cam Ward’s Madden Rating39:30 - Browns Owner on some BS abt Shedeur47:50 - Daryl Morey felt the need to talk abt the Lakers 2020 title (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And really the only thing that I really ask is like, guys, could we wait until Monday? My brother's going into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I really wanted to be about him and I wanted to be about my family. I know this would I said this coming out will overshadow everything that he's worked his entire life for and unfortunately you know it didn't happen that way and so um as I told him um as I profusely apologized to him earlier today, he said, bro, stop apologizing. You don't have to apologize. I'm your big bro. I'm going to love you regardless. We all make mistakes. We've all and he says, bro, I love you. So I'm done with this. You're done

with it too. Move on. And I really enjoyed my time at ESPN. It gave me an opportunity to bring my audience that saw me really just grow. They saw me Lakers in five, and they saw me say all these funny analogies that my grandparents gave me. And I was able to bring that to ESPN. So I'm very, very grateful for that. But I just wished of all things, like I said,

they did what they felt they needed to do. And I'm at peace with that. But I just wish guys, I just wish this thing could have waited until Monday because I hate the fact that I'm overshadowing my brother. The first two brothers in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And this is what the headline is gonna be for the next couple of days.

So bro, again, I know you told me this, I don't have to apologize, but I'm gonna do it one final time tonight and I won't have to apologize, but I'm gonna do it one final time tonight and I won't apologize again I'm sorry that I that that I upstaged you in this manner You know, that was never my intent. You've been my hero. You've been my role model From as long as I can remember and I apologize and I thank all my fans for supporting me When I was at esp and in every place that I've been.

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Now, let's get into what we came here for. NFL, Ocho, they mad at you. NFL fans are hot at Camp Ward's rating. He got a 72. Travis Hunter has the highest rating for a rookie. He has an 84. Aston Genty has an 83. Abdul Carter is an 81.

Mason Graham is an 80. Will Campbell and Jalon Walker are 79s. Kenneth Grant is 78. Jahihadi Baron is 78. Michael Williams, Michael Williams, I think Michael 78. Maxwell Hairston is a 78. Cam Ward did not even crack the top 10 of Madden rookie ratings. Some are calling it an absolute joke. Oh Joe, what you got to say for yourself? Listen, I got I got some to say all for

those. You got people that are complaining about obviously players on their team that got drafted into the first round. Now, we talked about asking gente we talked about. Asked me to be honest, Hunter Abdul Carter.

Obviously, if you if you if you watch no collegiate football, they were exceptional. We got a Heisman winner and we got- Got almost broke Barry Sanders' Russian record. Exactly, let's understand what they did. Now, young bull, that's my dude, Ken Ward was phenomenal at UM

and turning that program around. But listen, this is what we saw fit to put him as before the season starts. You have to remember, some of these players haven't played a down NFL yet and everybody wants their ratings to be super high when they've done nothing. Now, rightfully so, Travis Hunter, a special individual, Asin Genti, a special individual. I'm not saying that Cam Ward is not special. He is that being the quarterback number one for the Tennessee Titans. But listen, a 71 in

justifiable which most rookies come in at the quarterback position at and how you get mad. This is nothing but room to improve. What we do at at EA, what we do at EA for Madden. There's a 17 game season that's coming up right now.

Right, Joe? Yeah, absolutely. Game season week to week that rating continues to rise and raise based on consistency. It could drop to that. That too. So listen, by no means it is where you're

going to be at, but it can improve week to week. So it shouldn't be a problem. Some of the players might be upset. Cam Ward, I love you. You know how I feel about you. What you hit me week to week, week to week as you ball, you play consistent, you got Calvin really over there. I know what you're gonna do. You got time to lock it. I know what you're gonna

do week to week. It's gonna continue to rise and I got you. It's nothing to be ashamed of. Hey, when I came out, I was I was a 67. I ain't complain. Put a chip on my. Hey, why is it so hard though for rookies to come into Madden with like a 86, 88 rating? I understand, you know, we won't hear. I'm saying, so if there isn't, there isn't, there's never gonna be a rookie that can come in

and they could dominate right away, as far as Madden Rain. But I understand, I understand, I understand Ocho. I understand that, you know, during the season, your rain can go up and down, I think, you know. You know what I mean? But why everybody has to start so low? It's probably what avid gamers are really thinking like, man, why you gotta be so low when obviously, you know,

I understand what's going on. Well, Oh, let me ask you the, ask him this. Let me ask you a question as an avid gamer, where you were, where, did you start where you are now or did you had to work your way up? So you didn't come in. Cas and that did not come in with this big screen because big screaming platform and have all these subs. He had to work his way up no matter how popular somebody is. If LeBron, I mean it doesn't matter.

I mean they want something that they haven't worked for. Look I get Travis Hunter got an 84 but he probably upset that he didn't get 90. He probably like, man I should be a 99 I wonder Heisman Trophy. I wonder I wonder bulletin the couple or bulletin the couple one I won this award. I'm the defensive player of the year yada yada yada. So he thinks his rating is low at 84 Everybody's like man. I should be a 99. I should be this, I should be that. Damn, I mean, give it time. Well, they used to didn't even have no rating. So I went from a zero to a hundred.

So anything's possible. Yeah. See, it's a good thing. Travis Hunter, if people understand the accolades and the resume that come behind why he's an 84, you'd understand. If you look at Ascension D, what he accomplished at the collegiate level,

there's a reason why he's rated where he is. There's nothing wrong with Kam Ward, nothing at all. He's a great quarterback. I'm hoping he's quarterback number one for Tennessee. And he does the same goddamn thing, CJ Stroud did for Houston, and the same goddamn thing, Jayden Daniels did for goddamn Washington.

But 71 is good. You don't wanna look at these great ratings and you have nothing to look forward to. You have nothing to look forward to. There's room for improvement. And if he plays how I feel and know he can play week to week, by the time you get to week 15, week 16, hell, he could be at 86, 87. You're not going to make everybody happy with the rating, you understand that it's subjective and anytime you deal with something subjective, there's going to always be a problem with the judges or in your case a judge who helps

with adjusting the Madden rating. And so that's what you're going to have. I mean, it's just like anything, anything that's subjective because you know, if it's diving, if it's gymnastics, anything that's left up to judges unless I win, unless it's a perfect ten or in this case, a perfect 99, somebody's going to have something to say. Yeah, every time I'm sure uh

yeah, somebody's going to have something to say uh pass the chain like bro. I want a defensive player of the year and I ain't a 99. I'm an all pro. I'm a pro bowler, back to back pro bow season and I ain't a 99. I mean, damn, what I got. So what do I have to do to get a 90?

He's probably thinking, and I haven't talked to him but I'm saying Ocho, he's probably thinking, what I gotta win, MVP? Hold on, he done tweeted me now. He done got me. I told him, I told him, twin, I got you. I got you, relax. I know what you did last year.

We understand how special you are. Here, we had a whole goddamn dissertation with the premier season of the NFL about how difficult it is to get open on you. I'ma take care of you. I'ma get you. But as it is, this is a funny thing. Hey, Joe, this will kinda irks my nerve. All the people this is a funny thing, hey Joe, this would kind of irks my nerve.

All the people that are complaining about the ratings, right? All these avid gamer, all these mad enthusiasts, like y'all complaining about ratings are not even good at the game. They're not even good, they're just complaining. It's to be complaining, because if you were really good, the rating wouldn't matter

because it's all about your stick work, being able to manipulate maneuvers on how to play. Like nobody, hey, small fun fact, Joe, and something you didn't know, not only are the Madden Raidens just right, you know I'm the best Madden player in the world. In the world. I'm the best Madden player in the world. In the world. Joe, in the world, Joe.

That's why when I hear people complaining about me doing the Raidens, I'm like, you can't even play because I don't care about nobody rating because I, my stick work is, is, is elite. I had to check you out, man. I had to get your game tag and check you out, bro. You like that? Don't do that to yourself. Joe, don't do that. Well, Joe, I'm like that. Yeah, Joe. Hey, Joe, they call me Thumb. You get down like that. Yeah, they call me Thumb. Yeah, they call me Thumb. I'm down like that. Yeah, they call me Thumb. Yeah, they call me Thumb. I'm like that on that game and stuff, man. That's all I do.

Hey Joe, I lost relationships. I lost, hey Joe, hey, I lost relationships behind game. And Joe, that's how serious I take that shit. Hey, hey, me too, me too. Right? I think the thing, look, Derrick Henry has a case to be here. Hold on, bro.

I led the league at rush touchdowns. I had the second most rush yards 19 on and 21 19 on 21 and I'm like, I ain't a 99 He like what more do I gotta do? Everybody in 99 That's what I'm that's the point that I'm getting at is that everybody unless you are 99 Really only the ones that have the 99 are happy with their grade. Everybody else, whether they got a 98, 97, 96,

they're not happy with their grade. I just never understood. Me, honestly, Ocho, I really never understood it because just because you're 99 on the game, that don't mean you 99 on the field. Because you 96, 84, whatever. That don't mean you like that now. Right, right, right.

You got to prove it to me every single week. You might start out as a 99, but I'm gonna need to see a 99 week one, week five, week 10, week 12, week 15, week 16. The guys that got the rating, kudos. Chase and Miles Garrett and Saquon. Was it a quarterback that got 99? I don't know if there's a quarterback. They got it Like I said, I think say Kwan

I think Lamar Lamar Lamar Lamar Josh Allen Josh Allen. Yeah, they deserved okay cool but I Promise you we all get it on the field, ain't nobody thinking about nobody rating, Ocho. Right. Oh, no, no.

When you win against DB, you're like, oh, oh man, I ain't gonna be able to get over, that's your one 96, old man. Yeah, that don't mean that. And I don't know what I'ma do. That don't mean it. But let me tell you something though, Uncle Joe, hey, the players really do care about their ratings though.

They do? Yeah, they do. I know they do, yeah. I done got a few text messages. I see them in the past. I believe they do. I didn't got a few text messages. I see them in the past and they be like, come on Oso, do me right, do me justice. And I tell them one thing, if you got a problem with your ratings,

I can show you why you are what you are. I can break it down in PowerPoint presentation and let you know. See they used to, the players used to complain, oh, they got somebody that ain't ever played the game and they don't know the ratings. No, I know, I'm watching film. I'm bringing film down

and we're basing your rating based on your play. Not just week to week, also against elite play. Against other players at the position that are really, really good. Are you gonna show up? Don't just play good when there's somebody that you know is a little beneath you that you happen to be going against week one and two.

You know, how you show up against the big boys that are in your upper echelon of skill and talent. Yeah. But we gonna be all right. Uncle Ocho. Y'all know this video game stuff, man, then came a long way from when we was kids. So a lot of these cats getting a chance.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Getting a chance to be in Madden, getting a chance to be in NBA 2K. Like yes, the ratings are a big deal. Dudes look forward to seeing what they got on the game, you know what I mean, within themselves. So I kind of understand it to an extent, but like I'll say, it's shit.

You can't please everybody, man. Lamar Jackson in 2019 was a 79. Trevor Lawrence in 2022 was a 78. Joe Burrow in 2021 was a 76. Patrick Mahomes in 2017 was a 76. Caleb Williams in 2025 was a 76. Josh Allen, the year he came out. All these are rookies, I might add, was 74.

Cam Ward is a 72 so, uh Joe burrow was a 76 coming off the Heisman Trophy and Statistically had the greatest season ever for quarterback. He threw over 5,000 yards and 60 touchdowns and had Chased so and he got a 76 Lamar Jackson was a Heisman Trophy winning quarterback and he got a 76. Lamar Jackson was a Heisman Trophy winning quarterback and he got a 79. Patrick Mahomes just had a game where he threw for over 700 yards.

Caleb Williams, a Heisman Trophy winning quarterback with a 76. So I mean, what y'all want? Y'all want Ocho to put him, y'all wanted Madden and Ocho to adjust it, all those adjusters to put him at what? What would be a great, what would be an ideal rating for a rookie, Cam Ward? 85, 86?

85? On the gate? Hey look, put him down. That's what I'm asking. What would be an ideal rating to appease the masses? Listen, I think- Would he need a 80?

No, no. Would he have 71 right now? 72. 72? That ain't bad. I think people think- That ain't bad at all. I'm just speaking probably for the people,

I think they, especially gamers, probably about a 78, 77. Well, hey, listen, he could be that by week five. I understand that. Listen, listen, Tennessee could be the dark horse team this year. There's always a team that come out of nowhere and just, oh my goodness, they wow us. They do things we thought they couldn't do based on what they did last year. They might be him.

And I could understand why Lamar got a 79 because Lamar had legs and an arm. Yeah. So I can see why. Yeah. The same reason he got a 99. The same reason Josh Allen got a 99. Cause not only can they beat you with their arm,

they can beat you with their legs. So I get, I get why Lamar coming out with a 79. And Josh, we knew he was athletic, but we didn't know Josh was like this. Yeah, athletic. We saw Caleb Williams with the Hocus Pocus and all that other the old things that he did. Heisman Trophy winning at the end of the day.

Somebody wasn't going to be happy with their rating. Somebody wasn't going to be happy that they got a 70. Somebody got an 85 and they're not happy with that. Somebody got an 85 and they're not happy with that. Somebody got a 94 and they're not happy with that. So you're not going to be able to please everyone. But I tell you what you can do. You can play and change that grade. It is.

Come on. You know how the teacher used to tell you, oh, I'm gonna give you some extra curricular work and you can pull that B up to an A. Or you can take that A and go to an A plus. or you can take that C and take it to a B. That's all on you. Okay, you don't like the grade to 72? Do something about it. It is. It is. It is. Hey speaking, now to be on the topic of football, you know what I love about, I hate to go off topic, what I love about Twitter right now is the clips that I keep seeing from camp

with the one-on-ones, the receivers and the DVDs. So I'm having a joy breaking down what each receiver did wrong, what the DVD did wrong, what the DVD did right, and what the receiver did wrong, and just breaking it down and watching it, man. I'm talking about, I feel like a little kid in the candy store just watching some of the videos from like a Brown's camp.

I saw some one-on-ones with the Panthers, that Kion Coleman, Kion Coleman, well, Kion Coleman sent me his one-on-one videos so far. From Buffalo? Yes, he sent me, he sent them to my phone. I'm looking like, boy, you've been putting some work, but it's all seen. So that's what I'm saying in my head.

I ain't even get a chance to hit him back, but he sent me some stuff, you know, the goal of and just, you know, the talk a little bit. Critique it. No, code. Man, listen, man, Keon, I know you probably gonna see this, boy.

I get that for right now, you know, but I need to see it on Sundays. I need to see it on Sunday. But you look good, boy. Because the thing is, Ocho, you know the difference between one on one and practice and one on one in the game is that somebody might you might think one on one and they play in zone. Well, you know, one on one and practice is all one. It's all man to man. Ain't no zone. Right. So you running in, you patient. Everybody got patience in practice with you. Oh, you taking your time. You set no boy up, but you know come game time.

Hey, ain't nobody rushing actually. Ain't nobody rushing the quarterback in one on one. Yeah. You got to go. You got to go. All that. Bam, your quarterback. This is what happened to your quarterback while you did it.

Ha, ha. Ha, ha. Ha, ha. Ha, ha. Your quarterback slumped over the wheel because he got hit in the back of his head. Yeah, man, it was, I don't mean, I'm so excited, it's making me so excited though.

There was a rep on Twitter with Denzel Ward. Jesus Christ, my God. This motherfucker so polished. Oh, I'm sorry for curry. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. Oh, you're going to get up today. We ain't going to make no money tonight, bro. Listen, listen, listen. It was Cedric Tillman and Denzel Ward bump and run and dog. It was, when it's done right, the game of football is so beautiful. Yes. From a position standpoint, I'm not going gonna break it down right now, but it was too, man, that boy Desire Ward is nice. You talk about a technician? Yeah.

Well, see, the thing is he's small frame, so he has to be nice because he doesn't have overwhelming size. Size, right, right, right. So, you know what I'm saying, Ocho? So his technique has to be flawless. Yeah. And it is. And it is.

I mean, you know, he here here, you know, a he's great. He's loosening his hips. So he's great to either turn and run. He's very fluid. He transitions very well. When you hear, oh, he transitioned. Hey, he backpedal drop a start to run a DB come back on the comeback. Oh, yeah, I'm on that too.

I'm on that too. I dropped Oh yeah, I'm on that too. Yeah, I'm on that too. I dropped my hips, I'm on that too. Hey, so I just want you to know I'm right here. Hey, Uncle Ocho, at this time of the year, at this time of the year doing camp, tell me something, y'all enjoy coming into camp already like in peak shape or you kinda use camp to kinda, you know, get into some?

You ain't in no peak shape. You get in shape playing football, Joe. You get in shape playing football, Joe. You get in shape playing football. It don't matter how much you get out. I see guys out there who don't look like they in great shape, man. I mean, I see some guys who look like they in elite shape. That's all I'm saying. I'm saying like, what was your mindset coming into camp?

No, the thing was, look, I tapered off like the last two weeks. I was still, I was probably like not at that point in time, I was probably 90%. Because here's the thing, this is how you know you're not in shape. When they put that two minute drill on your ass. And after you run a go, you run a post, and you run a comeback. You gotta run back? Run back, yes. And the first thing, you do this at the three plays.

That lets you know right now, you ain't where you need to be. And now that's what happens to guys now, Ocho, because at least in pre-season, we're gonna get everything that we need to do in the regular season, we gonna get some of that. And they gonna say, you know what? Cause Mike might say, you know what?

We're gonna open up the game with two minutes. We're gonna open up the game with no huddle because I want to make sure we get some of that with our number ones. So before anybody gets dinged, I'm going to make sure we get that. We're going to get some short yardage and goal line. We're going to make sure we get some, a 12 personnel.

We're going to get some 11 personnel. You know, we're going to get some empty set. We're going to get all of that Joe, but yes, it gives you a great foundation because we've been sprinting on the track and we've been running hundreds and 200s and 150s and threes. We've been doing all that. But we ain't been doing none of that with no helmet

and no show pants. No contact. That's what we haven't been doing. Exactly. And so now once guys start leaning on you and we all do, always do that stuff on the third day when that soreness when that old man said it. Yeah that old man said it on your joke.

Man listen, hey look I enjoyed camp like it was always fun but the best times is when you come into camp and you already kind of in great great shape because Cause they gonna run the dog jack out of you in the NBA. You know what I mean? You're gonna do a lot of line drills, 17s, you know, them all, I forgot what's naming them down and backs. And you gotta make it a certain amount of time.

Wait, y'all do suicides in the NBA? What? Man, listen, I don't know what they're doing right now, but I'm saying when I came into the league, Ocho and O-One, man, we work, bro. Like I'm talking about line drills, 17s,

just the end practice. Yeah, like you had to be in shape, bro. We had conditioning tests that we had to do. Hey, they was on that Coach Carter routine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can't. But Ocho, that's what we did too. See, we did two minutes at the end of practice. We never did, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but,

but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, man, that just got out the field. They get you fed up hard on that. They get you when you have your words. When you tied, dead dog tied, you ready to get up out of there.

You don't get down on that. We got 17, everybody gotta make it. What? Yeah. Yeah, and that's, so yes, you want a good foundation. And you're right, Joe. If you got that good foundation, it's a lot easier.

But man, ain't nothing like football, football shape, but playing football. Yep. You gotta do it, because you ain't blocking guys. I mean, you gotta drive to try to get the guy off the, hey, Ocho, you gotta run guys off, you gotta run guys off, because you don't wanna block him and run the risk.

You gotta run 20, 30 yards down the field and come back. And guess what? Do it again if it's another run play. Or it might be a play, Ocho, hey, you ready for this deep ball? Yeah. Now, hey, you just ran the guy 30 yards, now you gotta come back and run a go ball.

And you better hope it's complete cause now you gotta run back again. Yeah. It get a little different when them guys get leaning on you. Absolutely. I know, cause it's just like in basketball. You can go to the track, get on the treadmill, do all the running you want to,

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y'all were gonna pick Shadoor, I would say that that's not happening. But we had a conversation early that morning, and we had a conversation later that day, I'm hearing we had the right people involved in the conversation. At the end of the day, that's Andrew Berry's call, Andrew made the call to pick Shadoor.

Just like who's gonna start, or what play we're gonna call is Kevin's call. But that's Andrew's call. Who asked him that? Why did he, why did he feel the need to share that information? No, nobody. That's what unprompted. So you dry snitching ain't nobody asked you what round did you think you were

going to take should do in? Why did you take? Nobody asked you that. Yeah. And so he felt the need and I get it. Yes, he's the owner. But it's like, I'm like, bro, if y'all felt, if you feel this way about Shadour, why y'all still got the man? Cause it seems like every time I turn around, Ocho, somebody trying to take a dig at him. Yeah. Well, I got a question. I have a question for the chat and Uncle Joe, I'm not sure if y'all know,

how long has Jimmy has been with the Cleveland Browns? A long ass time. A long time. So since 2000, the Cleveland Browns has had 35 different starting quarterbacks since 2000. 35 different starting quarterbacks, but now you're gonna take it upon yourself to say that Jadurah Sanders won your pick.

And that's probably why it's gonna work. Because you had no dealings and him being drafted. Watch how God work. Watch how God work. I'm telling you. What about all the mother picks you had? Who picked with they? His.

But he, hey listen, he never came out before and said this before about anybody else. Never. Never did this before. Hey, hey, when I look at it. I try to work. When I look at it Uncle Hocho, I just like how the young man going about himself, man.

Shadour. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, there's no better way to go about this than keep your head down and keep working, bro. He's, I think he's been doing a phenomenal job at that. Obviously, I think everybody's been keeping up with what's been going on in Cleveland. I know I have.

And he looks like he looks comfortable out there, first and foremost. And he looks like he's still enjoying the game, man. And I think this is just more, you know, fuel to the fire as opposed to, it's gonna help him out throughout the regular season or throughout his season or throughout his NFL career in general.

So I understand what the owner said, but I think she do it doing an awesome job with all this that's going around. You can see he's in the community. Not only is he in the community, but he looked like he's playing his butt off. Now I don't know how much, I don't know how much any of this way

with what he's been doing in OTAs and off season and camp and all that, but I mean, man, the eye test don't lie, bro. I know they ain't out there hitting another like that, but he looks comfortable out there. Yeah. Well, it's really hard for me to say because from everything that I read,

he gets one or two reps with the first team, oh, well, one or two reps, period, and that's it. It's reported that his dad wanted to come to camp just like he went to Tampa. He said, nah, daddy said, daddy, he said, I might get three or four reps. He says, I'm not where I wanna be. But if reported as being reported is true, says, I'm not where I wanna be. But what if being reported is true,

but once I get to where I wanna be, come on up there. But I don't get this. It was, that was an Andrew Barrett's pick. And just like the guys that play, that's such and such. So all these quarterbacks that y'all had, and I mean mean you had Baker so who's picked with Baker and Baker you look Baker had a decent and he got injured and for whatever reason you know Baker's telling the story they wanted

him to you know turn tone it down a little bit and wouldn't let him be himself and you see Baker is like himself in Tampa and he's thriving now does he have a better collection of wide receivers like himself in Tampa and he's thriving now. Does he have a better collection of wide receivers around him in Tampa than he had in Cleveland? Yes, he does. He does. Ain't no sense in us trying to fool him saying he has the same level of skill position players

around him because he doesn't. He just doesn't. But I don't get why Jimmy Haslam felt the need to take this shot at Shadour. Oh, if you'd have told me we'd go take him. I was like, that's not gonna happen. Whatever he said. Right.

Why? I mean, why did he feel the need to say that, Ocho? Listen, you know what they trying to do? You know what they trying to do? Trying to break his comments? Trying to break him. They use the draft. Okay, we trying to break him.

We gonna make him wait. Okay, now he's here. He's doing everything he's supposed to do. Doing everything he's supposed to do plus the extra. Then, okay, how can we break him now? He's out here playing very well. I told you, I told you. I ain't won't it.

Hey, listen, my ears over there, man. My ears, my ears and ass is over there. I don't need to be there to see and hear. Stay with me, man. So what do we do now? He's playing well, he's got the offense down, he's not making too many mistakes, he's throwing touchdowns, whether he's running

with the one, the two, three, or the fours. So what do we do now? The owner has to come up and try to break him again. Break his spirit a little bit. I ain't voting. I just want y'all to know, I ain't voting. That's an Andrew Barry pick. But listen, but why though?

Is it because of what they may seem to be as flamboyant in college, because he wore the jewelry, he wore the ice. Yeah, it's just part of who he is, man. It's just part of his swag. That's how he grew up. Hey, really Joe, honestly, that's all the collegiate athletes coming out of college this year. Everybody got money.

They got money. Look how much money they got. They got a little bread. Oh, Yeah, they got a little bread. Oh, love them. They got a little bread. And so it seemed like to me a weak attempt. The guys already, look, I know people you say, hey, you can, you maintain confidence, but when you're not getting any run and you used to like, I'm a prime example of that. I used to call my brother and say, man, I ain't get no run today.

All he say is just be ready. He said, John Elwood gonna call your number, but make sure when he call your number, I like, man, you keep saying that, you said that yesterday. He ain't call my number. He said, I said, you keep, I'm saying to myself, you keep saying that, but it ain't happening.

It sure enough. But I was like, I ain't got no but time. The way I look at it, Joe and Ocho, is that as long as I'm here, I still got a chance. Yeah. It's like when I'm no longer there, I don't have a chance to make the team. So as long as I can stay, the longer I stay,

cause guess what? I'm gonna do something. Y'all gonna cause guess what? I'm gonna do something. Y'all gonna put me somewhere and I'm gonna flash something. Yeah. Oh yeah. I'm gonna make a block. You gonna put me on special teams. I'm gonna do something that you say, you know what? That kid from Savannah State, he too big, too strong,

too fast, not for us to find a place. But hey, create a job for me. We high. The funny thing about it is all the turmoil, all the negativity, whether it's coming from the Cleveland media, whether it's coming from the owner Jim Hazard and saying he wasn't my pick,

when that preseason starts and he gets his opportunity, the cream is gonna rise to the top no matter what because you're good at doing one thing he's good at playing football yes he's good at playing football he's been a winner from Jackson State the goddamn Colorado and now you're in a different environment and that journey starts all over again even with the enemy that's right in your backyard against you yeah sometimes that's that's right in your backyard against you. Yeah, sometimes that's that's really hard to overcome. Oh Joe when when it seems like the people rooting against you.

That's right there. That's fine. I mean, I thought I thought I thought we've all in this thing together. It don't seem like it. I tell you who on the side though. I tell you who on the side when. I tell you who on the side, when that goddamn stadium start rooting, start screaming for Shadua, when that goddamn dog pound start going crazy

and them champs start shouting for Shadua when things ain't going right with the Browns, all right, I guarantee you. Now watch how I play out. I just hope he's around long enough for those said things to happen. Yeah. Because think about it, Ocho,

you signed Joe Flacco, 18 years, well you know he's not, he's a year 18. He's not your answer long term. You re-signed Kenny Pickett hoping that he got a little hamstring tweak. So now basically it's Dylan Gabriel and Shadour but it seems like Flacco and Gabriel and Flacco getting all the reps. That's what it appears to me from what I read. Now I'm not you know following it that close

because at the end you know put all that time in there and guys that you're watching they're not gonna be there. So as they get to the preseason Ocho we get the game or two. And so we'll get a better understanding, a better feel like, okay, this kid, you know, get an opportunity to see them guys play, like, okay, he can play. Cause I want to see guys play against somebody,

playing somebody else that's trying to make a team also. Right. He don't know you. Y'all don't walk off the field talking, Hey man, hey, you know, what you gonna do tonight or, you know, what you, you know, such and such. Hey, I want to see you go against another guy in another color uniform

that's in the same situation that you are. He's trying to live out his fantasy. He's trying to live out his dream. He's trying to make sure his mom and his grandma, and if he has a kid or a girlfriend or significant other, he's trying to make sure his mom and his grandma and if he has a kid or girlfriend or significant other He's trying to make sure they're taking care of just like you But this I'm shocked by what Jimmy Haslam had to say because nobody asked him nope Right. This was something that you probably should have asked. Oh Joe after the draft you asked you asked this

Okay, so what was your thought process taking should do her in the fifth round? Oh, you know, they said the grade they had thought process taking Shadoor in the fifth round? They said the grade they had on him, the grade they had is the grade they had. So that's when you're like, well, hey, we felt that we had this grade on him, and we felt that he might be there. So we said now, between rounds four and five, if he's there, we're going to grab him. Okay, but that's a day after the draft. That's two days at best, worst case.

That's a week after the draft. Oh, Joe, the draft was in April. Makes no sense. The draft was in April. And here we are, that's May, June, July. That's three months. Yeah. And we talking about, that's an Andrew Berry pick? Yeah. And listen, I could understand if if if your

decision making in the past as if you the goddamn quarterback whisper. Yes, coming out and saying something like that and being confident about it like you just been been bang golden when it came to picking quarterbacks. The last 35 were your picks in that. So probably this one that you had nothing to do with that might be the answer. If you green bay y'all got bread farm and then you get eric roger now you got jordan love i would say well you know what hey ocho joe he might be on the right right right they're about to have 50 years of prosperity at the quarterback position

but when you've had 35 years of turmoil of prosperity at the quarterback position. But when you've had 35 years of turmoil and chaos at the quarterback position, with the exception of maybe a year or two here or there, you got one year Derek Anderson, you got a couple of years with Baker. But other than that, let's be realistic now. Come on, Browns. Yeah, hey, hey.

And Shadou strikes me as a guy, you know, when them lights come on, Uncle Ocho, I feel like he gonna perform at the highest level. You know what I mean? Like he gonna put on, you know what I mean? That's the type of guy he strikes me as. So, man, I'm gonna be paying attention to them Browns, see what's gonna happen now.

They got four quarterbacks over there, right? What they gonna do, Uncle Ocho? I don't see a team keeping four quarterbacks. That's why I'm asking. And I, you know, a part of me, a part of me hope they like try to put them on the practice squad and somebody come sign him. So they, so you can carry, you know,

they'll carry three quarterbacks and put one on practice. That's too many positions cause the quarterbacks don't play special teams. Right. So you got to, though, because there's only, there's only 46 guys, those spots are valuable. Normally you're carrying a carrying a guy a wide receiver that could you know, he can play multiple positions You can play the X he can play the Z He can play the slot and he plays special team same thing with a linebacker same thing with swing offensive lineman

He can play guard. He can play tackle. Okay So that's what you're looking at. I'm looking at guys that can play multiple positions It's kind of if I get somebody to go down, what can a quarterback do? Sorry, quarterback. Maybe you'll hope maybe in high school, Ocho he punted or kicked or something. But for the most part,

if you're gonna keep somebody extra, it's gonna be a wide receiver, a DB, somebody that can play special teams. That's why they say special teams is the quickest way to earn a place on the roster. Unless you want to be top. Now you top dog. I mean, we get that. You Joe Burrow or Chase or somebody like that. Lamar. We get that. But guys that are not that are not actually starter that when a was up he runs on the field and when it's for down he comes off the field and he ain't got to stay out there for points special team the more you can do the longer you can play the more you can do the longer you can play and but I I don't I don't

I didn't like this at all. Cause like I said, here we are, we three months in Ocho and this man talking about that's an Andrew Berry pick. It's trying to break him up. It's all mind games. They are, they are, they are. Mind games.

They did what they did. They were like, we gonna show you, we gonna show coach prime. You know, they talk about, you know, the Mannings and everybody looked at the Mannings and Eli did what he did and you know, Prime, you know, they talk about, you know, the Mannings and everybody looked at the Mannings and Eli did what he did and, you know, Arch and you know, so forth and so on. They're like, nah, you're not gonna do that.

We gonna show you, we gonna start it right here. And then we gonna take it a little further. We only gonna give you a handful of reps. He making them. And we gonna see how long, how long. Hey, if I'm trying to break it, they say they put you in solitary, Ocho, because they say, you know, we used to communicate it.

And when there's no one to communicate to, when all you can do is hear your heartbeat. And the only communication is going on in your own head. Yeah, and you know what? That could be a good thing. Sometimes they put people in solitary confinement, right? And it does it more good than harm because it gives you too much time to think. Yeah. I want to be in solitary confinement away from you, sorry, Mo-Fos.

Yeah, I want to be in solitary confinement, because I want to be away from you, sorry, Mo-Fos. So, but y'all about to rub off on me. I think, hey, look. Look, look. I think he definitely locked in though. You can see it, bro. You can see it. Well, he really doesn't have a choice. I think Time has done a great job.

Time dealing with what he's dealing with. Cause think about it now. That's still Time's son. But in the meantime, I've got to deal with what I've got to deal with. I've got something grave with what I've got to deal with I've got something gravely going on with me and I got two sons that because the only coach that Shadoor's ever had has been time yeah he's the only one to play for his dad played for his dad he played for his dad

in high school and coming up he coached him in pop Warner time used to take them kids all over the place they play snoop Dogg. They played, end up playing Snoop Dogg when, cause of time when I went to the hall together. They played all up in Texas. They come, they coming and they driving, playing other teams. I think they played while they was up there in Canton.

So that's the only coach you've ever had. And now my dad, cause think about it, man. My dad dealing with something, I don't know what's really going on. Cause Tom said, I really didn't let the boys know what was really going on because they got to focus on that. The last thing is to let your mind wander, Ocho. You know, when you in camp, hey, I'm here.

That's what I tell you. When you here, you gotta be here now. Now when you over there deal with whatever you gotta be deal with over there and don't worry about here. But when you hear, you gotta be here. And so I think Ty did a great job of shielding him, not telling them the extent of what's really going on with him so he can stay locked in.

Especially we know how hard the quarterback position is to play Ocho. The last thing you need is to be worried about man Pops. Man, damn. Pops really messed up right now, man. And I ain't getting no burn. Pops messed up. On a trip and saying all kinds of crazy stuff.

Man, it's a lot. It's like I said, you don't know what a person's going through. You don't know, you try to compartmentalize. When I'm here, Joe, I'm here. And like when I'm done, I'll deal with whatever I need to deal with off the field, I'll deal with that then.

But man, like I just say, man, I can bring work home, but I can't take you to work. And that's how it is. You can't cause they tell you, Oh yeah, there's, there's more important things than sports. They line. They say that for the public, for public, for public. Oh yeah. He, he, no, no, no, no, no. When you play a professional sport, Ocho, they're making a buddy. Le you play a professional sport, Ocho, they make it abundantly clear. Oh yeah. The most important thing is that sport.

That's it. Yeah. So, Shanoor, keep your head up, keep plugging away, boy, do your thing. You built for this. You are built for this. Darrell Murray also felt the need to talk about the Lakers' 2020 title today.

Murray said, had the Rockets won the title, I absolutely would have celebrated it as legitimate, knowing the immense effort and resilience required. Yet everyone speaking around the league probably agrees that it doesn't truly hold up as a genuine championship. Perhaps the lasting legacy of the NBA bubble is that the NBA should be proud of his leadership at both the beginning and the end of the pandemic, even through the champion will forever be marked by an asterisk. There are more. You should be the last one to talk. After what you almost blew up by saying what you said about China and you got your butt

up out of there. Now, see, everybody talks about, well, it's an asterisk because you didn't win it. Now you just said, I absolutely would have celebrated as legitimate, knowing the immense effort and resilience that it took to do it. But now because you didn't win it, it's an asterisk by it. So is there an asterisk by the strikes a strike short year what you that was 99. Yeah

99 the locker you got that strike short. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What about 2012 2012 was a strike short You didn't y'all didn't y'all when y'all short in the 20 20 12 Joe. Yeah. Yeah And uh, you know answer about that one, huh? Yeah, he put And uh. Oh, he don't ask me about that one, huh? Yeah, he put that Astrid by that bubble. But I honestly think. Because he did win. Absolutely, but I honestly think, I didn't think it was an advantage

to anybody playing in the bubble. You know what I mean? Like I wouldn't put no Astrid by it. You know, because nobody, no team. It's probably harder, Joe. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying no team. I don't know if it was harder, neither.

I don't feel like, because you took away a lot of the elements of traveling, planning, altitude, environments, things of that sort. Like, we are all right here. No fans. No fans. What about you couldn't go nowhere? Yeah, I mean, I know that's hard.

I knew that was hard. You know, I'm saying. I'll tell you what I would do, I'll tell you what I would do Joe I'm gonna put you in I will put you in your house for a hundred days and All you can do is go to your backyard and come home. You can't do nothing. How much money I'm making What whatever the playoff phase Yeah, that's what they can't I don't get no extra money. They can't with the plan.

Hey, hey, hey, look, I wasn't locked out. Obviously, you know, I played in CBT. It wasn't anyone nowhere near as being locked in for 90 days or how many days those guys locked in. I played in the TBT and it was a quarantine environment. We was locked in a hotel for like seven, about 10 days. So I know, I know the challenges that the dudes had to go through, but I'm saying I don't think it should be an asterisk.

Like I think everybody was- No, absolutely not. Yeah, no, I think everybody- Think about the pandemic itself, Joe. Yeah. People were losing their mind. They couldn't go nowhere. Oh, Joe.

You couldn't go to a, you couldn't go sit inside a restaurant or you couldn't go to a club or you couldn't go to a club or you couldn't do it. Now, I don't know how it was in some places, but I happened to be in Cali at the time. And when I say Cali shut it down, Cali shut it down. Now, I know Georgia shut it down for a week. Florida shut it down for 10 days. Georgia wasn't shut down for 10 days.

They were getting too in that out here. You hear me? Huh? Okay, Ocho. Yeah. Go ahead, Ocho. Listen, it was easy for them, especially during that time, it was easy for the people that don't actually,

that don't be outside. Yeah. I didn't go anywhere anyway, so when the pandemic happened, listen, I chose that time to catch up on some stuff. Netflix, movies I hadn't seen. You know, I would tweet, what should I watch? Hell, I ain't see the wire. You know, I would tweet, what should I watch? Hell, I ain't see the wire.

You know, I was, was I playing during that time? No, I think I might've forgotten where you were. I had never seen the wire, huh? The people told me to watch the wire. I watched Ozark. I caught up on- Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I caught up on all type of stuff on Netflix.

That was good. I had a bunch of cigars with me. I know I had my little coffee machine. Hell, I ain't need to go nowhere. Everything I needed was right here. And then I got my game. Hey, but look though, he's talking about yet everywhere. Go ahead, Joe, go ahead.

Do y'all think that the COVID times, it really changes? Cause think about this, you know, you had your homeboys or your friends, how much they want to come over and you don't know where they done been. You like, hold on. Now you can't come over. No, bro.

You know what I mean? And then since it's been over, come over and you don't know where they done been, you like, hold on, now you can't come over and know all that. Nah, bro. You know what I mean? And then, since it's been over, a lot of us are still kinda knuckle up. Hey, Pau, hey, hey, how you do? Bro. Right. Just pound it.

Yeah. Even still now, to this day, I'm like that. Yeah. Derrick Morris said, yeah, everyone I speak to around the league probably agrees that it truly doesn't hold up as a genuine championship. So did you ask people around the league

what they thought about what you said about China? Ask them what they genuinely think about how you almost blew it up. Right, right. Oh. You know why? Let me tell you why that, because LeBron James won it.

Anybody, any other superstar had a won that championship, Joe Johnson, you and I both know it to be legit. It was because LeBron James won it, it ain't legit. You think that's why a lot of people put that action? Yeah. Yes! Absolutely! Michael, Kobe, Larry, Magic, Steph, anybody else and that's what I asked to be. I said okay y'all say well because you said that LeBron came to LA to be a 6'8 Kevin Hart. He came to win an Oscar as opposed to a Larry O'Brien trophy. Okay, he comes out here, he plays, he wins. Now, so what's the debate?

Had anybody else done that? I say, now y'all say that's what he did. I say now oh man Jordan was past his prime. Jordan I say let me ask you a question. Had Jordan won the NBA title would y'all say he won seven or would he have just won six? Come on now. Y'all said he ought to get him seven. Yeah. But because he didn't win oh he wasn't even trying to win. Yes he was. I thought that everything Jordan Tech was serious. The reason why they did it like this is because LeBron won. Had anybody else won, they not calling it a bubble championship.

They're not calling it saying an asterisk needs to be added. They wouldn't do it. Even Darrell Moore is trying to diminish the man. I guarantee you take it. I guarantee you take it. I guarantee you take it. You need to worry about Philly. That's what you need to do.

All that money. I tell you what, pull another season like you had this year and see what happened to you. Well, he the owner though. What they gonna do to him? He a general manager. He ain't no owner. Josh Harris is the owner.

Okay, okay, okay. You think they'll fire him? Have another, boy, you see that money he done gave out? the owner. Yeah. Josh Harris is the owner. Okay. Okay. Okay. You think they're fine? Have another boy. He you see that money he done gave out. Yeah. It's a mister playoffs. Somebody gonna have to go. They still yeah. They still owe Joe

LB. Damn near 300 million. Damn. They owe uh gave Tyrese Max. He'll Max deal. They got uh Paul George on the Max deal. Maxy, nice. If Paul, if Paul knee, knee or ankle, whatever it is, if he come back healthy, they gonna be all right. Knees don't get healthy as you get older. I think he just had another procedure too.

Yeah. Hey, I wish I could give all them boys my limbs and legs, man, and arms and Achilles and knees. I just am, man. I hate seeing people get injured, man. This sucks, boy. But who asked you? Hello.

Who asked him this? Everybody just feel like they're in a really talkative mood today, just joking. Everybody was in a real talkative mood today, old joke. Yeah. Bro, it's 2025. They just got the new package, Amazon, somebody, Amazon just got 77 billion, 76 billion.

Amazon got a package, NBC got a package, ESPN got a package. They about to make money at the yin-yang. And you talking about 2025? Yeah. Why? Yeah. Why? Yeah. I promise you, nobody in the history of the game

has received more criticism than LeBron James. And it's crazy for what? Cause he, no matter what you thought about him, man, I think he's gonna be good. He's exceeded all expectations. No matter what you thought he might be, he's exceeded everything. People say ain't nobody gonna break Kareem's record

because first of all, you're not gonna play long enough and you're not gonna be consistent enough. He did that. Man ain't nobody gonna get no 19 All-Star games. He got 21. Man ain't nobody gonna beat no 19 all-star games. He got 21 man Ain't nobody gonna be no all-in be all those tabs. He got 21 13 first teams. I Just don't get it Man

He go Oh Joe y'all know when you when you've been at the top for so long They gotta start. Yeah, you gotta start picking at you, bro They got they gotta start picking at you, bro. They gotta start picking at you. It's just kinda a part of it. And that's just kinda what it seems like because like you said, I agree with you, he's exceeded expectations.

I'm talking about from since the time he came into the NBA. At what, 18, 19 years old, man. All the expectations they put on him, he exceeded it. That's crazy. Yes. There's not a whole lot of 18 year olds get handed the keys to a franchise. 18, no college, no dominant male.

I mean, I guess the dominant male figures would be his coach, Coach Drew. They don't hand the keys to a franchise, to an 18 year old. That's what he did, that's what they gave him. That's crazy. That's what they gave him. I mean, it's almost like, well,

my favorite player didn't play that long. He should just go, why? I guarantee you, if your favorite player could play at that level that he's playing at, he'd have stayed. Absolutely. Kobe Bryant, he broke down on him. He had the shoulder towards Labrum and he had the Achilles injury,

and he had given it all he got. And you know what? Kobe was that Mercedes that had 500,000 miles on it, and it just pulled side of on it and it just pulled side the road and it just stopped. You don't think Jordan, if Jordan could have still played at that elite level, you don't think he'd just continue to play? Of course.

We all would. Playing right now? Of course. The man that's taken care of his body for this long, Lord is blessed and beyond blessed and he's able to play at an elite level. Even in year 22, that man averaged 24, 8 and 8. In year 22. In 40. Everybody else the average. I don't even think anybody did. Anybody average 22? The average double figures. In 40. In year 22. Well considering that only Vince Carter played the 22, 22 seasons. All right that's crazy. I mean think about that man and we just try and people just try to find

things to nitpick and to pick him apart. I just I just I'll just never I'll just never understand why. I'll just never understand why. Why? I mean, he's gonna be gone. And then, you know, eventually KD, eventually Steph, we'll have new guys and then what? That's when he'll be missed the most though. I mean. Somebody else will take his place, huh?

Somebody else that they're going to love to hate. Somebody, I mean, they- I don't know. There's never been anybody before or since him that's been like this. Nobody, nobody defied you to find it. They gonna miss him. Even if you look at the bad boy Pistons,

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