Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: What’s wrong with LeBron, Ocho claps back, Zion WIlliamson future

Episode Date: December 5, 2024

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and J.R. Smith react to LeBron James, Anthony Davis and the Los Angeles Lakers getting blown out by Jimmy Butler, Tyler Herro and the Miami Heat. Later, Unc, Ocho and JR discuss Keith Lee saying he wants to fight Ocho and that he would whoop his ass and Ocho’s responds that he is confident he would beat the breaks off Keith Lee, the New Orleans Pelicans have zero plans to waive Zion Williamson and are still trying to build around him and much more!03:53 - Show start04:30 - Intro06:40 - Lakers v Heat29:25 - BI almost traded from Pelicans44:23 - Josh Hart48:10 - Ja Morant explains why he’s toning down his dunking this season51:00 - Barkley says Thunder is the best team in the NBA54:30 - Joe Burrow buys Batmobile1:02:42 - Sylvester Stalone sent breakup letter/worst way you even broke up with someone(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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They were down by as many as 43 points at one point in time. Swish, what the hell going on with the Lakers? They played the heat. Ain't nothing you can do. Ain't nothing you can do. No, it ain't just the heat, dog. It ain't just the heat, man. Like I gotta give my boys some,

they gotta give my boys some help. They gotta give my boys some help, man. I don't know what's the situation. I don't know what the trading move is, don't know what the trade in the move is, but you already got a new coach. You got a new system. You got a new everything. Y'all got a lot of coach, everybody ramping the raider.

So it's gotta be the players at this point, right? I mean, obviously you playing the best team in the East. What you expect was gonna happen? You playing the best team in the East. Y'all not even the best three, four teams in the East. These are the best teams in the East? What? Y'all better than the Celtics.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Who the best team in the East? Y'all are better than the Queensland. What are you talking about the Celtics? Y'all better than the Celtics. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Who the best team in the East? The Cavaliers and the Celtics. Y'all some front runners, man. Nobody care about no Cavaliers or no Celtics. Y'all not better than the Knicks to be all the way on us. They're not. You're not.

Y'all don't want to bet on who come out the East this year. Y'all ain't coming out the East. I ain't going to lie, man. As a matter of fact, hey, hey, Switch, y'all not even coming out the state of Florida, because Orlando better than y'all, why you bumping up? I was gonna say Orlando. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

Listen, with the Lakers got with the small symbol size of what's gonna happen to the rest of the goddamn league, the rest of the season, but go ahead, I'm gonna let y'all finish. Nah, Lakers ain't, Lakers in bad shape right now, Nah, Blake is in bad shape right now, man. He's just in bad shape right now, bro. You gotta figure out, for one, you gotta figure out Braun's situation.

Granted, he's Braun, and he is who he is, and he's going, at this point in time, we've never seen it before. So it looks different, but you gotta, unfortunately he's gonna have bad games. It's gonna happen. Or not even, not bad games, but it's just not gonna happen. It's not gonna be games where we're accustomed

to seeing him have. So the supporting cast needs to be a strong number one and let him play two and three, four gotta figure it out. But they gotta play better. They gotta play better. They do, but you know, simple philosophy, if you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten.

The only thing they changed was the coach. What results after 21 games are the same, 12 and nine. What have you changed player wise? Nothing. So what did you expect? We see Anthony Davis playing at an MVP level. Yeah, LeBron is not as efficient. Yeah, he's gone over 24 from the three.

Yes, he's averaging like 16 points in his last six, seven games. I get all of that, but he's still averaging 22, nine and eight, which is good stats, but you're comparing him to a younger LeBron. You're comparing him to a 25, a 30, a 35-year-old LeBron James. So if you look at those, you look at his numbers now at 40, damn near 40, a couple of days away from 40, compared to what you used to see him, no, they look bad. He's not playing good. There's no way around that, JR. And he's turning the, what makes

it worse is that he's playing bad and he's turning the, what makes it worse is that he's playing bad and he's turning the ball over at an alarming rate on top of it. So it compiles the problem. Now there's a lot of things that I think could possibly be going on, JR. You let me know what you think. I think maybe the Olympics, maybe he was a little tired.

But also he had five triple doubles in say 68, 70 games last year. He has six in 21. You know what it takes, it takes a lot of effort. You can say what you wanna say about Russ, but to get a triple double, ain't like the rebounding coming directly to you. You gotta chase some rebounds.

No. And you gotta put the ball on the floor. You gotta steal some rebounds, though. You gotta steal some rebounds. Like ain't no way around it. You gotta steal some stats. You. You gotta steal some rebounds. Like, ain't no way around it. You gotta steal some stats. You gotta be somewhere you're not supposed to be on purpose. Like, that's a lot of energy.

And I don't know, like I said, I don't know if he's hurt. I don't like to speculate what's going on with LeBron, because like I said, I don't know. I'm just thinking, I mean, at 39 years of age, and you play in the Olympics, you didn't take that time off. It was very important to him to play in the Olympics because he knew that was gonna be the last time that he got an opportunity to play on the international stage

with Steph and KD. Now he had played on the international stage with KD, but he had never played with Steph. And I don't think that was an opportunity that he was willing to pass up, even if it meant probably at some point early in the season, compromising his play during the season. Another thing, and then no trouble that you have it. I don't know.

I don't know what he gets out of playing 82 games. I understand that as you get older, you value games more because you realize you have left with less of them, Swiss, but playing 82 games at the age of 39, almost 40, that doesn't benefit him because I don't think it's gonna change anybody's mind because, oh man, he played 82 games at 40. Nobody's gonna look at LeBron and think any more or any less of him because he didn't play 82 games.

And so I think at some point in time, he's gonna have to probably sit down for a game or two. And that's okay, that's okay. I don't know, look, I know he wants to play, because the one thing that we can honestly say is that Swish, as we start to get, Ocho, you go through this. As we start to get closer to the end,

hey, you love the game even more, because pretty soon, it ain't gonna be no more. Yeah. It's over. I know what I don't like, though. Go ahead, Ocho, I'm gonna see you. I know what I don't like tonight. What?

I respect both of your basketball knowledge. I respect both of your basketball knowledge. I respect both of your basketball prowess and understanding of the game. But I don't appreciate y'all saying, making these excuses for LeBron. I don't like that. I don't like the fact that y'all are not giving the heat credit for putting belt to ass to the Lakers.

And that's what happened tonight. Had they not been struggling, Ocho. Hold on, hold on. All these different excuses and Olympics and being tired and playing 82 games and who they need to bring in and he need help. No, the Heat put Belt to ass tonight. Simple as that.

Okay, can you explain the other similar games they lost in eight? Did you see Tyler Hero tonight? Yes. He had 31. Yes. He had 31. But when we, he had 31. But what we try Well, okay Swish and I are trying to explain it's not just the game

We're trying to explain what's going on with LeBron because tonight he played great. He was 12 of 18 That's how you know, ain't nothing wrong with him LeB is human. LeBron is going to have bad games, you know, sometimes like playing baseball, sometimes you go in the slump. Sometimes you mean you ain't seeing the ball like you always do. It happens. Sometimes they receive it. Sometimes you drop the ball. Sometimes you drop the ball, you have a bad game. That's it. LeBron is human.

That's all he's showing us. Let me ask you a question. If you have six, eight games and you dropped five passes a game, you don't think anybody's gonna ask, what's wrong with Ocho? I thought so. Nah. We dropped two passes.

You and I both know. It ain't gonna be a hey, what? If you drop one pass for two, three games in a row, they gonna ask. Yeah. Now imagine dropping four to five pass. Imagine you had a game like in Joku on Monday night, but you had three or four of those in a row, they gonna ask. Now imagine dropping four to five pass. Imagine you had him a game like in Joku on Monday night, but you had three or four of those in a row. What you think people are asking, Ocho?

Yeah, hey, I'm, I don't, your coach gonna have to put me aside and talk to me in the office and stop me. Exactly. I'm sorry. Hey, but you don't think it's a little different for basketball though? For basketball, so they touched the ball so many times

going up and down the floor in transition. You think it's a little different, even though he's having the turnovers the nice He's not shooting well the fact that they got the ball in the hands so much It's kind of hard to make that kind of comparison or am I true? No, no, it's the end of it It's the end of the vast Inefficiency, right? You gotta talk about a guy that no matter how he shoots the ball. He's normally shooting 50% Mm-hmm. Oh Joe. he's shooting less than 40%.

That's what's the alarming part. Yeah, we know he's a streaky shooter from the three-point line. So we're not expecting him to be Clay or Dame Lillard or Steph Curry, because he can get hot and make seven, eight, or nine, but he can be cold. But Ocho, he went 0 for 24 from the three. Hey, you know what?

You see, this is what I like. This is the testament to LeBron's greatness. Yes. That we finally see him be human, shoot under 50%, and all of a sudden we're questioning that same greatness because he's been great for so goddamn long. But Father Time is undefeated. We saw that with Tom.

Did Tom look like, did Tom last year, did he look like he looked the previous year? No. No, he didn't. It happens quick. And the greatness. I don't know, man. I don't know, I don't think it's that with Brian.

I think I find him a lot at the times when I look at the games and I would do watch them play. And I don't, honestly, I don't watch much as much as I used to. I just look, it just seems like he disinterested. Like it's early in the season, he know he got to have an opportunity to be there in a certain time. And he don't think he got the true pieces

to be in the right position. You took the words out of my mouth. There's so many different factors that go into it. It's just like, you find yourself disinterested. Swig, do you think it's a situation where he like, man, he looks around, man, we ain't really got no chance to compete for a title. What are we kidding?

No, he might. 100%, I think he 100% think that at times. Cause you look around the league and you look at teams who've got better, who's already better than them. OKC. And they got better. OKC. You got, but you still got a team like a Boston who one chip kept everybody.

Then you got a team like go to state who's in your conference who arguably in the situation. Yeah, every year. They playing really good ball. in your conference, who arguably in the situation, they playing really good ball. And you like, you got team around you that's like continuously the Clippers were waiting on Kawhi to get back. Kawhi coming back.

So they're still looking good. Like he coming back eventually, but it's just, it's so many instances in LA, like you, y'all the Lakers, but y'all still like, now it's like, when he, if Kawhi come back, and the Clippers get rolling, rolling, y'all gonna be the B-team in LA?

I think the thing, James Worthy sounded off against the Lakers, this is what he had to say. They need to get on the bus tonight and get some White Castle burgers and drive to Atlanta. And they need to think about who they are and what they need to get on the bus tonight and get some White Castle burgers and drive to Atlanta. And they need to think about who they are and what they need to do because what they're doing right now

ain't even close to Laker basketball, not even close. I mean, look, guys, I mean, who are we kidding? The bench is, look, they put D-Lo on the bench and he gave a little spark, but your bench was a problem last year, but you brought everybody from last year team back. Rui has been inconsistent. That's who he is.

D-Lo has been inconsistent. That's who he is. Jerry Vanderbilt has been Nick. That's who he is. Gabe Benson hadn't shot the ball since he left Miami. I mean, I'm not breaking news. Now that's not to, I mean, AD can't go three or 14. I mean, AD didn't play well last night.

And last night was the, was it last night? Yeah, I think last night. And tonight was a back to back. And LeBron and AD, they played well, but LeBron has had a bad stretch, the worst stretch of his career. And we're trying to piece together what it is I don't think he'll play that way. Do I think LeBron's gonna average?

20 points for the season though. I think he'll be he might not average 25, but I think he'll be somewhere 23 24. Mm-hmm I would be honest with you the average 20 It's not easy So if he have if he averages 20, if Brian come out of this season, and he just averages 27 and seven, 26 and, at 40 years old. No, he gonna average more than that.

That's a great number, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know who put, like that's incredible. Think about it, you're talking about a guy that has 21 straight years of averaging at least 25 points. 21 straight seasons. The only person that's ever averaged 15 straight seasons

of 25 is he and KD. So that gets lit. That's crazy. Just to give you better context for both of y'all, obviously you both know the game of basketball. You know I hoop. You know I hoop when I was in high school. And to give you an example. I played football when I was in high school too. Now I'm talking about, no, I'm talking about, I'm talking about that beach high. And I average,

even as a freshman, my freshman, my freshman year to my senior year, I averaged 35 a game. Right? So it's a testament to how good LeBron was, his longevity and being able to do what he's done like 21 years. That's like a little comparison between me and LeBron a little bit. No, ain't no comparison. Hey, Ocho, I ain't gonna lie. If I said I had 35 touchdowns my junior year,

that would be equivalent to what you just told me. That's doable. I only had eight and I felt like that was a lie. That ain't a lie. You come on, average of 35? Yeah, average of 35, you gotta understand. I was supposed to go to the NBA. No.

Ultra, who was you playing on? On Colt 6A, the best in the business down here in Miami. Nah, you weren't playing in the NBA. He was supposed to go to prison, but he changed his life, he turned his life around. That's the US. He was supposed to go to prison, but he changed his life, he turned his life around. That's the only place he was supposed to go. Listen, listen, I'm a true athlete, man. I got footage.

Even though the footage don't get guessed, I can show you the film. You're definitely an athlete, I give you that. It's grainy. Yeah, it don't look good. It don't look good, but it's just there. I ain't gonna lie. One thing I can say, you got some hell of a fire out for you.

I ain't gonna lie. For me, I feel like athletic ability, I can do anything and everything. I can bowl, I can throw a baseball, I can box, I can kick a soccer ball. Ocho? I feel like Ocho is like literally one of those people who I feel like can do the same. You know what? That's why you might... Boy, if you ever got a problem with anybody, I'm gonna beat their ass, nigga. I appreciate that support. Hey, you worried about Keith Lee.

He's gonna eat some oxtail, he's gonna eat some foo-foo and knock Ocho out. Hey, let me tell you something. Keith Lee better stop playing with me, alright? He better stop playing with me because he ain't gonna be doing no food critic He gonna be eating everything through a straw. This ain't what you want I'll tell you that hey listen, hey Hey, hey, I'm a fight you for letting him get on there and anything competitive So we gonna go after I beat his ass then we gonna fight too Hey

Hey, hey, hey, hey, JR, listen to me, Jay. I don't care if it's Bruce Lee, Spike Lee, Keith Lee, anybody with the last name Lee gonna get their ass whooped. Matter of fact, hey, Lee from Rush Hour, she finna get it too. Got me fucked, why you got me hot? Well, hey, I was on a plane and I saw the thing, I'm saying, well damn, they just, okay, oh, that's what we on.

And I don't do MMA, I do boxing. Come on, I'll just put in this step. That man got hands on you. This is an MMA fighter? Yeah, he used to do MMA, yeah, he used to be an MMA fighter. Oh, no, no, no, no, that's what them. Hold on, hold on, hold on, let me just suggest that somebody was an MMA fighter,

don't mean they was good. Hey. Don't mean he was good. I'm gonna tell you right now, if he tell me he do MMA, I'm mean they was good. You mean he was good? That don't mean he was good? That don't mean he was good? If he tell me he do MMA, I'm not rocking with him. He good enough. Listen man, how let your boy in that?

I see the cauliflower ears and all that, but he got it. You want to let it dry. What you need? You straight? I try to figure out, I ain't do nothing. Anything he do to me after that, I gotta put the A on him. Hey, I done got too big to tussle now.

Oh, well, that's too bad. That's too bad. That's too bad. That's too bad, because we gonna tussle for the simple fact that you even let him say Chad, all right? You let him say Ocho. The word ocean even came out his mouth, and you should have, you should have, hey, you ain't finna talk about McCoy's like that.

I take Ocho, you grab me, you gonna say ow. You gonna say to Ocho, you say, ah, oh, what I done done now? Hey, tell Keith Lee set that shit up, man. Set that shit up. How many said it? Boxing. I don't use my feet to kick. I don't kick with my feet.

You don't activate your feet, huh? Hey, that man, he says he says his hand's updated. Who? Yeah, he said they registered in 13 states. I hope so. My register too. My register too. Only one of us been on Pay Per View.

I can tell you that. Hey, man, leave that man alone, Ocho. Nah, hell nah, you hell. You all got me fucked up. Man, we finna fight now. Matter of fact, if I see you in the, if I catch you at a restaurant in Miami, I'ma swing on you.

LeBron three with 855 left for the third quarter was his 2,451st career three, breaking the tile with Kyle Korver for number seven all time. You talk about the guy that's number one in points, top five in assists, up there in steals, up there in the top 10 in three point shot, and three point field goals made. I mean, what it was, and it's like,

we expect the man to play like, LeBron to play until he 50, they still expect him to put up the numbers like he did when he was 30. That's just know how, let you know how great he is. When you have the same level of expectation for someone, you don't have the same level of expect, think about it. To which we don't have the same level of expectation

for our parents or our grandparents as they start to age because we know physically it's just impossible to do. But because LeBron, we still expect him to go out there and sometimes give us a virtual performance where he gives us 50 or he gives us a 30 point triple W or he gives us a 40, 10 type of a ball game. And he might can do that, but as we get older, and I just believe this, as we get older,

it just gets difficult even as an athlete to do it with the ease that we once did and to rip and repeat said, ah. Yeah. For me it's like, honestly, because it's a different one. You have the God given ability to do it, which he does have, but also the mind to know how to do it, which he also has.

So then once one starts like, cause your mind is going, like especially for him, his mind gonna stay sharp and it's gonna keep getting sharper and seeing defenses and seeing stuff that he's been saying over the years. But at the end of the day, you ain't gonna be able to get to that spot like you used to get to that spot.

So then you've got gotta come up with more counters and everything else or rely on your teammates. And being able to rely on my teammates when I gotta go out there and get 20 instead of getting 27 or trying to push it to go get 30 every night, like that's what it was gonna have to be. Because again, when you see that spot

and I can get to that spot, that's how you, you know what I mean, like look at Colt. When Colt went into Orleans, he pulled out and thought somebody kicked him from behind. That's when you start getting hurt. Like you start to kid, like you trying to get somewhere where you think you can physically get to. Especially him.

You need the after birth to try to get there. Yeah, yeah, sir. And I don't want to put that on him. Not going to good with, but that's just how it is. And on the body, like he obviously takes amazing care of his body. He's probably the most, he's definitely the most best fit athlete I've ever been around consistently.

And even like, no, no, no, you ain't got no chance, dog. I ain't even gonna lie to you. I ain't even gonna lie. I ain't even gonna lie to you. Ultra is not even close. Let me take this off real quick, man. Stop playing me, man. Hey, do what you gotta do.

Do what you gotta do. The most fit athlete is sitting right here. Everybody keep disrespecting me. Now you telling me LeBron in better shape than me? Nobody look like this, B. But hey, listen, listen. J, listen to that. That ain't Pop Tarts, Ultra.

That ain't no Pop Tarts. You see what you talking about, man? That ain't even salad. That ain't even donuts. This is what I do, man. This is what I do. I'm in the best shape of my life. Swish, he went to Swish.

He wear a buck 80. Hey, he went to swish. He well buck 80. Hey, hey, hey, JR. I'm in better shape than every athlete on earth right now at 56. Nobody wanna see me, B. Real shit, son. You in New York right now? You in New York?

Hell no, bro, you in New York. No, I was born in 68. Hey, are you in New York right now? 78, he born in 70. Yeah, I'm in New York right now? 78. He's born in 70. Yeah, I'm in New York. Hey, I put that on every bodega in the Bronx. Nobody be son. I'm telling you, see, nigga, word to my mother.

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Brought to you by hypnotic Brandon Ingram denied a trade to the jazz the Lakers are the favorite to acquire Ingram and trade Ingram wants to be part of a winning competitive environment what's going on down in New Orleans, Wish? He's trying to get up out of there. Ah, man, it's in the water. They trying to get a bottle of that. Trying to get a bottle of that from old boy, man. Zion, inconsistent game plan.

Big alligator, man. He gotta get him out that water, bro. He over there eating up everything. I didn't realize, I didn't know he was that big. Like, I didn't go around, like, I seen him in person, and like, we we low key like, getting there the same height. But then like around, I'm like damn dog.

Like yo, like you supposed to be a till guard. They finna be playing the four. But see the thing is we can't have healthy conversation because the first thing they say you trying to fat shame the man. No, ain't nobody trying to fat shame you. We're having a healthy conversation because the first thing they say you trying to fat shame the man. No, ain't nobody trying to fat shame you. We're having a healthy conversation about why this man stays injured.

And the man is undisciplined, he's undisciplined. Okay, you know you have weight. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. Fat kid become fat adults. And people try, oh, give him some time to figure it out. You said that when he was 20, you said it when he was 21, you said that when he was 20. You said it when he was 21. You said it when he was 22. You said it when he was 23.

Now he's 24. What excuses are you gonna make for him now? I don't care anything about nothing off the field. I don't care about that woman, whatever her name is. I don't care if you got a child. I could care less about that. That ain't got nothing to do with him, but me. I'm talking about his weight, him being undisciplined,

and he staying hurt. Oh, but when he plays, but when is that? He's missed 211 of a possible 401 games. That's crazy. And he got the money. Yes. And I'm here, I don't know if it's true, but what we reported is that he fired CAA because they got him a contract and it had those weight clauses in there.

Right. And he said he deserved more. Bro, they gave you that contract with you. You missed your home rookie. Yeah. I'm confused, Swish. Yeah. I don't know how you argue with that. I don't know how you argue about that. And you hurt now. I'm confused, Swish. Yeah, I don't know how you argue with that.

I don't know how you argue about that. And you hurt now. So it's like, right. But it is like, to me, it's like somebody in your ear at that point, like you, there's no way you, you must got a homie or somebody sitting there telling you some shit that is not fathomly true. And you believe in that shit.

You gotta understand the people around you, especially at their level, you know, those are all yes men. Ain't nobody trying to get their water cut off. So they gonna tell you what you want here. They're not gonna tell you what you need to hear. It's especially bringing in that kind of money. They ain't still a baby, man. Shit, I'm not gonna say nothing.

He's still only 21, 20? Oh, he. 24 now. But what's the likelihood? It's about time. Yes! It's about time to start figuring it out. 24, you've been in there, you were there. One had been in college, so you was what 18, 19?

So five years. 24 now. Has he played a full season yet, Uncle? I think he might have played one. No. Nobody played a full season yet, Unc? I think he might've played one. No. I ain't nobody playing no full season. First of all, let me get back to that. Ain't nobody playing no 82 games no more.

That's out. Like all that, I'ma play an 82 and I'm being in shape and this is gonna go down with my career. There ain't nobody doing that no more, dog. That shit don't, that's how it was cave man shit. And ain't nobody doing that no more. He'll be 25 in July. Playing 82 games is nuts.

And especially if you playing for a contender, if you not a rookie and you trying to learn and like literally get your, like get your barons in the league in your first couple of years, there's no way you playing 80 to 82 games. 78, 75, they not doing it. Ain't no way.

Not no top dog. Yeah, he's played six games this year. He played 24 games in rookie season. He played 61, then he went to 29, then he went to 70. So he played 70 games last year. But here's the thing, he spent more time on the tattoo table than he has on the court this year.

He played six games out of what, 22, 23 years? And they say he's two weeks away. Now, two weeks away, what? So what you think, how long is it gonna take him to get back in condition? That's 30 right there. Hey, you know what's funny is, I mean, when you think about the NBA, NFL,

I mean all of this. They should be getting the highest level. The highest level, right? Shouldn't it be easy for him to not only get in shape, but to stay in shape when they have all the resources? You got the money, money's not an issue at that point. You can get the best doctors, the best nutritionists, the best dieticians.

What is the actual problem on why someone- Discipline. What is it that you don't get about discipline? Doing what you need to do as opposed to what you want to do. So you mean the discipline when you're in the off season, not the discipline in season, because when you're in a structured environment, it should be easy to do it.

No, it's- It's discipline in your lifestyle, dog. Thank you. This ain't no, this ain't, there's no off season, there's no on season, there's no end season, none of that. This is your life. You get paid millions of dollars. Now watch how many people jump in the comments

and say, let that man live his life, even though he's harming his professional career, but see people that's never, that doesn't get it, let the man live his life. Cause I remember when I said, I said the man need to get his shit. Watch how short his career get. I said he's too heavy. He's get it, let the man live his life. Cause I remember what I said, I said, the man need to get his shit. I said, he's too heavy.

He's too heavy to do what he need to do. Let that man live. Okay, now they let him live, now look at it. You know the people who say don't let them live, be the same people who be over there, damn dawg, you should stay on your plan. Yes. Same people. Damn. But see, that's what. Yes. Same people.

Damn. But see, that's what I say. When people tell me they on a diet, see, I do lifestyle. Because see, diets have end dates. They have a start date, they have an end date. What do they say, Ocho? Oh, the next 30 days.

Okay, the next 15 days. I'm doing a fast, I'm doing a cleanse. It don't mean a thing if you're lifestyle, because all you're gonna do is once you start back eating regular, like you do, and stay drinking water, you gonna put right back on there. And it's gonna look worse. I'm so glad you just used that.

That's why I don't understand why women say, you know what, I'm going through a journey of celibacy. I don't know what for, because the same way you just explained it, the same bullshit you leaving behind, it ain't gonna be there when you start back. Yeah. He he he he.

Okay, anyway. I don't know about no celibacy. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to drift off topic, my bad. No, but you know, look. That was a great analogy, dog. I appreciate that. See that, that's what you talk. I was hoping he's... That was a great analogy, dog.

I was hoping he said, you know, like women say, they going on a fast or they going on a cleanse and they do a 15 day or a 30 day or a 60 day. So what happens when you start back eating regular? It's just like a bodybuilder. You see how bodybuilders, how they deplete themselves? What happens when they start back eating again? Blow them like the Hindenburg.

The women the same thing. You could deny yourself water. You could deny yourself carbohydrates. But I'm gonna tell you what happens when you put it back in there. You gonna rehydrate, you gonna ate, and then you gonna re, you gonna carb up. And then you gonna spill over.

Boop, there it is, yep. I ain't telling what somebody told me, I'm telling what I know. Come on now. So I just don't get it. Everybody seems to be wanting to get out of. I see they got rid of Alfred Payton. The guy just had 21 assists like a week ago.

I'm like, well damn, y'all got, y'all that good down there? Y'all could get'all that good down there that y'all could give away get them a cut place Y'all I was out he injured Zion is always injured. I mean what they know and you not gonna get back Zion you're not Hmm, you're not Hmm. You're not.

Ain't too many superstars you get an equal value on now that you trade them. You're not. What if we trade them early? What if they just funneled early? They know the history and plus they know he won't out. See, I'm not gonna lie. I'm a fan of trading early. I'm a fan of trading early in the season though.

Like even like y'all situation, right? With Jimmy, like I like Jimmy. I like Jimmy Miami, but early in the season though. Like even like y'all situation, right, with Jimmy. Like I like Jimmy, I like Jimmy in Miami. But him and Pat button heads. So if y'all button heads, I'd rather y'all butt heads and trade him now, opposed to trying to wait to the trade deadline. And then you trying to make something happen.

And then, okay, we're gonna be competitive and be in the playoffs and try to make this and that shape. Bro, by the time you straight somebody doing at that trade deadline, you don't have enough time to get the chemistry together to really go deep and strong in the playoffs unless you actually have the team for it. If you got a team for it and you can throw

a Drew Holliday in Boston after going from a Milwaukee, you'd be like, yo bro, oh for sure, let's go. But if you got to throw. Yeah, but you throw a, you throw a Mello in Houston. Like bro, you looking for. The problem is that I see what you're saying, Swish, but you throw in a third or a fourth piece as opposed to a first or a second piece.

Right. That's a big difference because the office is gonna initiate through JB and JT first and foremost. As opposed to Jimmy. Yeah, true. Jimmy's gonna be one or two. He ain't be in no three or four.

I don't know, I think Jimmy can be a three or four depending on my situation. Like if he go to Miami, if he go to the Lakers, he can be a three. Yeah, okay, yes, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yes. Yes But that no Situations he can't even like that. I have to Jimmy technically not a school. No He's a basketball like that. I see people like it about him. He's a basketball player. He's not a score

He can score a hundred percent. He can score 100%. He can defend too. He can make plays and make assists and make rebounds. He can do all of that. But he doesn't do anything, one thing great. So we're like, that's what he do. That's him. He don't do that.

You say Jimmy doesn't do one thing great, but he does everything good. Can we say that, Sid? Everything good. Really good. but he does everything good. Can we say that, Sid? Everything good. Really good. Not good, really good. Yes. But they got some issues.

The Pelicans, this is what Shams is reporting, the Pelicans still want to build around Zion. Right now, the Pelicans have no intentions of waiving Zion Williamson. Their number one objective is to get him back on the court and build the right support around him. But what is Zion going to do for them? What about him building the right support system around himself? I can't, Ocho, I can't help you more than you want to help yourself.

I can help him. I can help him. But one, get the people that's around you. Listen, Di, Ocho. I can help them. For one, get the people that's around you. How you start there. You know, your foundation, that shit started at the roots. The root of the problem probably ain't even him. It's the motherfucker surrounding him. That, yes, sir. Yes, sir.

Yes, sir. That's okay. Don't worry about it. Nah, man. You need somebody. You need somebody with a goddamn iron fist to come in there and get that. Get that. I almost said that word.

Get young bull together. Wrong people around and that's all it is? If you don't have the discipline, somebody in your circle gotta be the one with it. Let me ask you this, if you let yourself get to a situation, right, Osho, like say you, say you with the bangles, right? Yeah, that's me, that's me. You too, huh? No, no, uncle ain't with us, just me, just me. That ain't with us.

Uncle, well, okay, you there, right? And you're playing right, and you got Hay Day. How much was you when you got Hay Day? My Hay Day, I was about 215. He was like 185, 190, oh, swish. Let's just say 185, 190, uh, swish. Let's just say 185, 190. Okay, okay. And you showed up after a couple weeks at 215, 220.

That's what I look like right now, but go ahead. But you can't move like you did when you was 18. Absolutely not. You can't get off the ground. You can't get to. Uh-uh. And on top of that, your availability is gone. You right.

So when you do play five plays here, six plays here, we gotta sit you out there and then hold a second half. Cause you can't. And you open yourself up for injury. You're injury prone at that weight, because your body is not used to handling it. Your body isn't used to moving that weight. That's why you see guys get nicked.

What do they do? Hamstring, it's always a soft tissue, because you're asking your body to torque a weight that it's not used to. Your body knows what it's used to moving around. That's why people say, I feel comfortable at 200. I feel comfortable at, my sweet spot is somewhere between 195 and 200.

Not 210, the 212, because now that extra weight, your body is not used to carrying that. And that's, and see, here's the thing, Tweet, this is what you know, and I'll tell you, you never been really nicked. You know it gets harder to maintain that weight if you get nicked because you can't condition. You can't get up and down the court.

You can't ride the bike. You can't do the elliptical. You can't jog on the treadmill because you're nicked. So guess what? But you don't change your eating habits. But your workout habits have changed. So guess what happened though, Joe? Now you gain a pound.

Now you gain three. Now you gain four. They're like, what's going on? Bro, you've been out. How do you gain weight? Because I'm still eating, but I'm not working out per se. That's why you see guys when they retire. When you see guys, I see DBs that look like

offensive linemen. How late? Hey, you been with me, I play against you. What number you, 65 or 77? Because you damn sure ain't have no 20 or 30. No, 22. Because when you retire, if you maintain the same eating habits, but not the same training schedule, Ocho,

you don't have no choice but to gain weight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's how I got like this, but yeah. So I just don't get it, I just hope Zion, I hope he figures it out. I just hope he figures it out. That is griff, man. Because it's gonna be a situation where we gonna be talking about this years from now.

Like what could have been? Josh Hart on his $51,000 bonus from winning the NBA Cup. I really don't care about the young guys. All I care about is me and what I'm gonna spend. Jalen Brunson, you effin' a-hole. Josh, I want a new watch. Hey, them dudes funny,hole. Josh, I want a new watch. He he he he he he he he. Hey them dudes funny man.

Yeah, yeah. Swish, do you like the end season tournament? I hate it. Tell me why. You don't like nothing about it. It's just, so me it's a reason for God, like, you trying to give people a reason to play the game that they supposed to love.

True. It's not for the fans. It's not for the fans. So it's like, it goes back to the 82 games, playing the 82 game season. Like that was like, that's like a badge of honor. When I came there, that's a badge of honor. If you can play 82 games or play 80 games, 81 games,

that's like being, getting there like an Iron Man. Like especially if you one of those dudes. Yeah, like I was wallowy with that, bro. I played 82 games once, played 80 games once, and played like 78 or 79 games twice. And when I tell you, bro, like that shit really like, I wore that shit like a badge because when I was a kid, like this was my dream.

I was like, I'm not one of these kids who got good and out of nowhere and just so happened like, oh, cause I'm good, let me just go do this. Like, no, I grew up with that thirst of playing the game and being great at the game. I've been playing the game since I was three years old. So for me to be really good or great or like that shit meant the world to me.

So when I see guys who like quote unquote, say they love it as much as I love it and then I hear them or listen to how they talk about the game or what should they do. I'm just like, all right. Like it don't, like it sound like you more, you gotta say that more for you than it is for the actual genuine love of the sport.

I agree. I'm like. You know what I'm saying? Like. When you say, when you love something. Go ahead. Swish, Ocho, when you love something, what wouldn't you do to keep it?

What wouldn't you do to maintain being there? If you love something. You love your mom, you love your dad. Because when I love something, I love it wholeheartedly. I'm all in. I ain't halfway in, I'm all in. And I'm gonna do everything I possibly can because I know there's gonna come a time

in which I can't do it. So I'm gonna go 100 miles an hour to try to maintain it as long as I can. But, what's that? Boy, bring that to me one more time. The beginning of that. When you love someone, what? What wouldn't you do?

That's what I'm talking about. If you love something, tell me what you wouldn't do to keep it. That's all I need right there. That's all I need right there. Boy, when you, oh, I got you. People tell you a lot of things, Wish. I see better than I hear. Oh, I got cheap. That was a good one. People tell you a lot of things, Wish. I see better than I hear.

Oh, I love that. You know, show me. You love it? Straight like that. You really love it. But that's not what I see. Your work ethic. That don't say love.

That don't even say that's your mistress. At all. Nah, bro. You gotta be devoted to this thing. I see better than I hear. I like that. Yes. I see, yeah, like that.

I can't wait to see that. Guys, what you think about this? Jarman Ryan explained why he's toned down his dunk in this season. I'm not trying to dunk at all. Y'all think I'm lying. I'm dead serious. Sometimes I get knocked out of the air,

a foul don't get called, and now I'm out longer than I'm supposed to be. Sometimes the foul might get called. I still hit the floor, but after the game you might feel a little fall. So just pick and choose, man. Hey, two points is two points. I get it done.

That's all that matters. Yeah, I like John, but John nice boy. Young boy's explosive as hell, man. God, Lee. Swish, what you think? I think he definitely the most explosive since D-Rose, dog. Like, he killer.

I think, honestly, I feel him, though. I feel what he's saying, but I don't think he can play that way. That don't think so either. That's him. I feel like, yeah, like that's you, bro. Like don't let that pull you back. You better do that shit as long as you can.

Cause once it's gone, that shit is gone. Oh, hey. You ain't just like all that jumping over seven putters and all that shit. That shit was fire, bro. I used to do it. Trust me. Bro, I'm a groundhog. I tell you, I be under the golf shit was fire, bro. I used to do that. Trust me. Bro, I'm a groundhog.

I tell you, I be under the golf hole, so flow, bro, I can't get low in the snake's belly fat, that's enough. But here's the thing though, Switch. Ain't no way. Is that you don't buy a Ferrari to drive it like a Cadillac. You get it to go fast.

God gave you those fast Twitch to use. That's what made you who you are. Right. You not Luca. You drive what made you who you are. Right. You not Luca. Job this motherfucker like 007. Job, you not Luca. You got fast twitch muscle fibers. You're explosive.

You made the elevate. You have your slender frame. And bro, hey, it's gonna be what it's gonna be. But he says that. It's easy to say that until you get in the moment and people start talking trash and you're like, I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna catch you in the lane.

I got some, fuck you. But for me, I think Jah is one of those, like you don't even gotta talk trash to him. He already played with such an edge. Like it ain't even like, it's personal without it being personal. Like with everything. And I like that about him.

So I don't really, I like, it's great to hear. And then, you know, I mean, like it's probably to be more of a sell to get people back on their side, but I don't see that. I don't see you not going out there and trying to goof on somebody who coming over on the weak side late at the block. I'm gonna try to jump over him every time.

I tell you what, Swish, we'll see when he play the Lakers. Cause we know how he did the disdain he has for the Lakers. I'm gonna see if that hold true. I'm gonna see how many times he lay it up, how many times he just used the float game, or how many times he actually tried to poke on folks. Right. Hehehehehe.

But look at him on the fast break, Watch how many times he just lay it up opposed to go out there and join Winn-Mills. Yeah. We're gonna see. Charles Barkley says, "'The Thunder' are the best team in the NBA." Chuck says, "'He's seen enough to declare them the best.'"

No, I don't think they're better than Cleveland, and I don't think they're better than Boston. And the Celtics, shit, hell, they ain't even better than the Heat, but go ahead. Oh, they're better than the Heat, but they damn sure, for me, and what I've seen, and I've seen them all play, they're not better than the Cavaliers,

and they're definitely not better than the Celtics. What about, the Thunder better than the Warriors? I think they beat the Warriors. Did they beat the Warriors? Honestly, I think they beat the Warriors, I don't think they beat the Warriors. I think they beat the Warriors. I think they beat the Warriors. I don't think they beat the Nuggets. No, no, they beat the Nuggets. I think they beat the Nuggets by one.

In the seven games? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, they got, no, I don't think so either. I don't see them beating the Nuggets. They're not beating the Cavaliers and they damn should not beat the Celtics in seven. Mm-hmm. Hell, I tell you what, let-

I think a dogfight will go to stage in seven. I don't believe they beat the Lakers in seven. Cause this the first time they beat the Lakers in a long time. The Lakers got their numbers. I'll take the Lakers over them right now in a seven game series. Even though LeBron playing as bad as he is, I still take the Lakers over them right now in a seven game series. Even though LeBron playing as bad as he is,

I still take the Lakers. I damn sure ain't taking them over with Cleveland. I'm with you on that. I'm with you on that. I'm not taking them over with Cleveland and Boston. Absolutely not. No sir. No chance.

No. Zero chance that's happening. I'm taking them over with Miami for sure. I ain't gonna lie, Ocho. Yeah, Ocho? Listen, I don't know what's wrong. It's cool. It's cool. Y'all don't support. Y'all don't support. It's cool. I'm rockin' with King Love, though.

Yeah, that's my dude. Y'all got my boy King Love out there. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life. The referee, the coach, the expert. My next season is all about fans and what the rise of sports

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Burrow told T. Higgins and Jamar Chase during practice last week. Have I told you I bought a Batmobile? I don't get it for like a year, but I bought one. I mean, it ain't street legal. That's a fucking flirt. I mean, listen, you collect cars, don't you? You love cars, huh? Yeah, but they need to be street legal.

I gotta be able to drive them on the street. I know, but something like that would be a collector's item. Something like, you know, Jay Leno, Rick Ross, some of those dudes that collect things where it's not street legal. You put it up and you save it and lay it on down the road. You know, it's where you pay three million for it. Think about it, maybe 10 years, 20 years from now,

who knows what it might cost, or what it might be worth for that matter. What you wanna say, Sweet? How much you made? Three bills, three tickets. Three million. Three tickets. Man, listen, y'all better get, I don't know how much y'all making.

Y'all killing it, cause I ain't got it. That's burro, that's a 250 million dollar quarterback. He make 55 a year in football salary, possibly another three to five off the field. So he probably doing 60 a year. After taxes, that's what? 30, 28.

Yeah, I ain't spending that. Three million? Three million on one car? If I spend three million, it ain't moving nowhere. Cause that's a house. And I ain't talking about no RV and no mobile home. Yeah. No, I'm going down there to Cabo with my boys

and then I'm gonna go buy a villa next to them. That's what I'm gonna do. I'm not nothing. A Batmobile and I can't drive it? He must be a huge fan of Batman or something. I am too. I watch the movies. I don't give a damn if he was Batman.

I'm not buying that. Yeah, no. I mean, listen, we all have a vice and certain things that we would splurge on if we did. What $3 million vice you got? You know my chief bass ain't got no God damn vice. Not like this. That's what I was trying to figure out. He probably does, obviously, for a reason to spin three million on that. Oh, you know my chief bass ain't got no goddamn vice

Does obviously for a reason to spin three men on that and I think the value of whatever it is He purchased the Batmobile tumbler whatever the hell it might be years from now. It's gonna be worth 1015 times what he paid for it. I Should better be a babe roof card type value or something. Hold his Wagner. You better give me something crazy. Hold his Wagner, got to talk. Give me that or something. Three million for a car?

And listen, I can't even talk trash, huh? I think it was 2009 season. Hell, I leased a goddamn Bugatti for the season, for the year. Like a damn idiot. You a damn fool. Yeah, but you gotta understand, I was making so,atti for the seat for the year. Like a damn idiot. You a damn fool. Yeah, but you gotta understand, I was making so, this was money off the fee. I was making so much off the fee.

I don't care, it's still your money. Your people say they go to the. What was that payment? I was 25,000 a month. Oh hell no! A month? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Never, sir. Yeah, you know how I remember how much it was? Matter of fact, people in the chat, if you could do me a favor, you know how, J.R., you know how people get in trouble with their old tweets, like when they become famous or something, people go search up their old tweets. We were playing Philly in the preseason, and I tweeted in the middle of the game on the sideline after I got hit.

I literally, literally on the side, I got hit, came to the sideline and tweeted. I'm okay, y'all. The NFL fined me 25 grand for tweeting in the middle of the game. And that that's how I remember what my Bugatti payments was. Cause once, once they took it out, my check, that was the tweet. That's not the next day. Once they took it out my check. That was the tweet. That's not the next day If y'all know how to get on Twitter and go back to I think I was still playing it probably 2009 to that I guarantee the tweet is still up

Damn, man. I mean you leave and go go search your shit But 25,000 yeah, I they found me one 25,000, yeah. They finally won 50,000 with an untimely mother of two. Hey, that was funny, I remember that too. Hey, that was funny. I mean, I gotta be making some serious bread. I gotta be having some serious bread. But I don't really like, like I said,

like a car like that, man, and now you got a tie- 22,000 or oil change. Nah, hell nah. The upkeep, cause it's really not the car. It's the upkeep, you know that. It's just like anything. You buy a big ass house, go ahead. Stuff like that, you don't drive every day now.

You don't drive stuff like that because of the upkeep. Ain't no way, ain't no way. F that. In special occasion. No, you gotta have a, first of all, you gotta have a, what my boy got? He got a car manager. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He got a car manager that manages cars and all that, so whenever you wanna drive, he pull them up to the front of the house. Yeah, Jordan, Jordan, I mean, he makes sure that everything is. If you do cars, yeah, you gotta have that. Yeah. You know, like a Jay Leno, like a, what's the, Seinfeld.

Ralph Lauren is in the cars. Yeah, Ron is in the cars. Jordan, Jordan. Jordan. Yes. Let me tell you, you got a car collection that you better not sleep on. I don't know if y'all know him, that's called Rick Hendrix.

Oh, Rick, yeah. Well, old school, old school? Yes, yes. I'm talking about Corvance split windows, I'm talking about, yeah, I'm talking about old, old stuff. He a Chevy guy, so you know all that Chevy stuff, like a Nova, like a Chevelle, stuff like that. Richard Panty, Richard Panty is a most part guy, Dodge guy.

So he got the Cuda, the Super Bees and stuff like that. Yeah. Oh, that's so bad. You know they got, they make one of nine that you go to Mecham or you go to Barry Jackson. You talking about two million, three million, four million dollars. Woo.

Yeah. That's what I gotta do. Hey, Mekha, I'm coming to an auto show. Ocho and I coming to an auto show. Yeah. You in the car like that, Swish? We go down there and buy something. Let's go down there and we buy something.

Yeah, yeah. Hey, we gonna buy, we gonna stuff like Rainy Mosh gon' stuff it like Rainy Moss. Straight cash homie. All right. Straight cash homie. I want my seats with Ostrich in that junk. Man, see y'all gon' be. You know what I'm sayin'? No, you gotta keep the car original.

Unless you gon' get a rest, don't mind. Oh no, I can do that though. Oh no, no, no, if we gon' keep it original, I ain't gon' lie, I need a 68 Cam don't mind. Oh no, I can do that though. Oh no, no, no, if we gonna keep it original, I ain't gonna lie, I need a 68 Camaro straight up. Okay, I like 68. Big block, I need that. Yeah, my pops got one, he got a, he restore him and all that, so I need to match up with pops.

I need to go for a ride with my pops, man. I would like to have a Chevelle. A GTO. Nice, nice. GTO. God take over. Eleanor? Mm-hmm.

Eleanor? Oh, that's the Mustang. That's the Mustang, Eleanor the Mustang. I've never been a Mustang. I never been a, I never been a. Okay, that's what I thought that you did. But the movie that was, the Eleanor. That was going to 60 seconds, right?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I never. Eleanor was that Mustang. seconds, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That was that Mustang. But I do like old cars. I wanna get, I wanna get, I wanna get, I'd like to get a Resto mod. You know, it has that, but it's modern. It's a Resto, it's old school, but it got modern features.

Okay, I see. So that way I can drive it, I can drive it as opposed to getting something that's a resto, it's old school, but it got modern features. So that way I can drive it, I can drive it as opposed to getting something that's a 1960 and you can't drive it and that thing will be spitting oil and leaking all in your driveway. So I won't say. That's how I feel about the boys with the Broncos

that they're doing now. You seen them Broncos that they are doing? The vintage Broncos, yeah, them drums is fire. They got the new, they got the new insides, but still what kind of old school, them drums is tough. Take this out. Slash Sylvester Stallone says he once mailed his long time wife, Jennifer Flavin,

a breakup letter via FedEx. Stallone expressed regret about the decision to send the note back to Flavin back in 1994 when the couple had been dated for six years. But a year later, they patched things up and the two got married in 1997 and they stayed together ever since. What's the worst way you've ever broke up with someone? Oh, hey, I'm so glad you see here.

We go. Hold on. Yeah. Hey, I never forget. I don't remember the year, but let me tell you my history when it comes to women, everybody lead me. Jay, when I tell you everybody lead me, I never stood a chance. So so many people have left me to the point where I'm numb to it when somebody leaves. Like that's how that's how long it's been happening. They always. Bro, I'll leave.

Yeah. Oh, so you leave? Listen, I'm so numb to it. I'll never forget a chick left a voicemail. She broke up with me and she left a voicemail on my phone. Who breaks up with somebody and not have the decency to do it to their face? Or at least, at least text it to me. I happened not to answer the phone. When I didn't answer the phone. She left Jasmine Sullivan.

I'd never forget this. She left Jasmine Sullivan in love with another man. I'm not scared. Oh, in love with another man on my voice, man. I'm like, what does it mean when I try to, you know, get in contact with her to see, you know, what's going on? I couldn't like I don't know if she blocked my number or what happened. And then like two weeks later, she was with another dude.

So it made sense. Oh, it made sense. I'm thinking you gotta talk about, I'm not scared lying to Todd your bae's jobs or something. I'm for another dude. Yeah, yeah, she left me for another dude and then boom, he did it wrong and then she tried to spin a block.

I'm like. You gotta spin a block, you gotta get your leg back. No, no, no, no, no, I don't do no leg back. I don't do no leg back. Once you depart, once you get off the plane, you know how you try to get back home and the people, you can't come back. No, we ain't doing that.

Once you walk off the plane, I'm good, cause everything I do, you know how I am, everything I do is, it come from a good place. Yes. I'm good because everything I do, you know how I am, everything I do is it comes from a good place. I'm genuine, you know. I'm not perfect. I'm the first to say I'm not perfect, but you know for the mistakes that I do make, you know, God forgive me, you know. Listen, I'm a bash-lash sometimes, you know. I try to follow the 10 commandments, but sometimes I fall short. Hey, here's the thing though, Sweet. Ocho's problem is his heart in the right place.

It's his dizzling that's in the wrong place. That's the problem. Oh, no, I don't know. You can't make it all the way to Paris with no ticket. Then they expect a flight back. I ain't got no problem. Hey, when you were young, we all had that problem. Ocho, we all had that problem when we was young. You ain't had no problems with it. Hey, hey, hey. When you was young, we all had that problem. Oh, Joe, we all had that problem when we was young.

You and Jameel under control. I'm a good dude. I'm a good dude. Nah, I feel you, though. I feel you, bro. He's a good man. It was like that for a minute. He's a good man, Savannah.

He's a good man. Yeah. That was what got me in trouble when I was younger. A lot of them told me I was good. That was the problem, I was too good. I just stay, I had to hold. But as you get older, you're like, well damn. Yeah. You know what?

Yeah. Get that. Come on, man. Yeah, I'm, you know what? I mean, they just like, the thing is, you know when somebody's serious, like when somebody say, don't call me no more, all that, I mean, they don't really say anything. They're like, Shannon, I'm over, I'm done.

Boom, that's it. And you call, I think they'd be all ready to like, change, call the people and say, look, I'm gonna call my ex, I'm gonna call, he's soon to be my ex. Cause as soon as they hang up, you call right back. The number you called is no longer in service. If you feel you reached this number in error, please hang up and try this call again.

Boop. So, hey, it is what it is. When it runs its course, it runs its course. Hey, hey, hey, nothing you can do. I'm not finna blow you up and do all that stuff cause you're not finna hit me with no harassment charge. Oh. I told him, I told him, tell me not to call.

I'ma say, hey, are you sure? I'ma say, hey, I'ma call one more time. Shannon don't call me, okay. Yeah, that's it, that's it, that's it. Hey, hey, you remember that A&E? Scared Straight? Oh yeah, you're not fit to put that name on me. Hey.

I ain't gonna lie, man. I got my heart a little broken when I was a high school brother. There's the only girl who broke up with me. Damn. And she told me, yeah, straight up, bro. I was, I was, yeah, she got me when I was 16. Come on, let me live.

So look, right? So I'm going to keep it all the way down. I didn't want to go to this tournament, right? I was playing in the AAU basketball. My mom and dad told me you got to go to this tournament and all that. But it was like a little party situation. I had my little Puerto Rican girlfriend.

Oh, she's got a little mommy. OK, you got a little mommy. Yeah, a little mommy. I'm a little, but I'm a sophomore. I'm. Oh, she's got a little mommy. Okay, a little mommy. Yeah, a little mommy. I'm a little son. I'm a sophomore. I'm a sophomore starting varsity, football and basketball. I'm thinking I'm the man. Everybody over here looking like, alright cool.

So my pops ended up making me go into this tournament. So I was supposed to call her at like, at a certain time. I did end up calling her. I had a game. Because you know, we played six games a day back then. But I had a game, and it just so happened, I get the scholarship that I always wanted,

the Carolina, Roy Williams came to my game, everything. I ended up getting that shit. That shit happened literally the same weekend. Bro, I get back, I get back to school, everybody hearing about it, da da about it, she give me my letterman jacket back, my little chain, and like, nah, I'm good. Like straight, like I wouldn't go give her a hug and all that, she hand on the chest like, nah, I'm good. Like, I like, she wants some, I'm like, oh, like, bruh.

She gave you the letterman jacket back and a chain? The letterman jacket back and the chain, like, nah, I'm good, beloved. Like, on that, I'm like, oh, like, damn. And when that hit me, bro, I ain't gonna lie, I was like the first girl I really cried on. I was hurt. I was broke. Bro, were you like in the fetal position in the bed?

Like that kind of crying? Were your stomach hurt? Oh, so you've been there? Hey, y'all been there? Oh yeah, I was just young. Hey, have you been in the fetal position before? I was just young, y'all. Crying, no?

So y'all been there, see? That's why I'm glad we could be vulnerable and tell the truth because we done all been there. You know, some dudes be acting like, oh, I ain't crying over, yeah, I done been there. Like that's, hey, hey, I don't wish that kind of pain on nobody, boy. Nope.

Hey, that shit hurt, boy. Whatever, ever. Have you ever, and have you ever able to make it right? Make it right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you can't, let it be, but if you can, man. Oh yeah. That's shit I ever did.

I swear to God. Oh yeah, for sure. It's one thing bad, it's stuff like that scar you too, Jay. Like with that story you just told. Yeah, old facts. That story you just told, obviously I was scarred years ago. I was scarred years ago.

And one thing I always tell uncle all the time, anytime we talk about things like this, uncle, you know, and you get on me too about saying it, where I say when dealing with people, you know, I always get on me too about saying it, where I say when dealing with people, you know, I always manage my expectations. You hear me? You see where I'm coming from? So understanding not only how you get them is how you lose them, you know, and understanding history always repeats itself. So therefore I'm able to, I'm able to compartmentalize and understand, you know, I'm trying to go, just by example.

So it's easy when things don't work out, I always remember and just, and trace back, well hell, well this is what happened back then, so I'm not gonna be delusional and think, well hell, it wouldn't happen to me. So it makes it easy because of that heartbreak I done been through 20 years ago. It's sad.

It's sad. It sounds dumb, but it's been, it's been, it's been a protective for me because hell, when I think about it, oh, when I'm, oh, man, everybody left me since 1983. I ain't had, I'm shooting, I'm shooting like 30% from the field. I mean, well, I mean, well, I don't mean no harm, you know, but you know. Oh, so do you watch film though? Do you watch film? I saw the notebook and shit.

I saw a pretty woman. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. I'm talking about, do you watch film on you? Oh, nah, I need to though. Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you gotta, yeah. That's the thing though, if you don't watch film on you, you watch the film on everybody else,

it's a difference though. You know, you be like film on everybody else, it's a difference, dog. You know, you like, oh damn, I shouldn't, I ain't even have to step to the right right there. I could've just kept. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, come on, now you know. Yeah, yeah, I love watching me. Hey, I ain't gonna lie, I'd rather watch me

than I'd rather watch anybody else, dog. I ain't gonna lie. You probably can see any call what you want, baby. I ain't gonna lie. You probably can see it in Carlton what you want, babe. I don't know if I'm not alive. Oh, Joe, man, I'm getting chill just thinking about you. You know what I'm saying? You know? What film are you talking about, huh?

You're not feeling what the JR's talking about? Yeah. Ha ha ha ha. Now, what? Ha ha ha ha. Well, I'm gunshot now, so you know, out of accidently did something I wasn't supposed to do. My phone's downstairs.

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