Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Wolves go up 3-1, Jayson Tatum injured, Mavs win NBA Draft Lottery

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and NBA Legend Joe Johnson react to Round 2 of the NBA Playoffs featuring Anthony Edwards and the Minnesota Vikings taking a 3-1 lead over the Golden State Warriors, Jayson Tatum suffering an injury as the Boston Celtics fall as the New York Knicks take a 3-1 series lead, the Dallas Mavericks winning the No. 1 overall pick in the 2025 NBA Draft, and much more!01:47 - Introduction03:44 - Timberwolves v Warriors21:17 - Knicks v Boston51:40 - Mavs get number 1 pick in draft(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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points 5 rebounds 3 assists 1 steal 1 block. Ant-Man went crazy in the third quarter. He had 30 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists and that was enough to push them past the Steff Curless Warriors. I don't know what's going on. I don't know what happened with Jimmy Butler tonight. He knows 9 shot attempts is ISO is not nearly enough. Kaminga came to play. Kaminga gave him 23 points off the bench. He was 6-13, 11-12 from

the free throw line. Jimmy Butler, nine field goal attempts. Buddy Hill had more field goal attempts. Pods had more field goal attempts. Draymond Green had more field goal attempts. With Steph is out, this is why you make the trade for Steph Curry. Jimmy Butler's supposed to win you one game minus Steph Curry, Ocho. That's what's supposed to have happened. And right now, I don't know what's going on with Jimmy. Maybe he has an injury, but nine field goal attempts,

he wasn't aggressive at all. He was coming to a jump stop, passing out of it. And it did, I I don't like I said I don't know what's going on Health wise body wise maybe got an injury that they're not reporting but this effort tonight is unacceptable Hey to me, okay, I'll show he look horrible. He don't look healthy You know what I mean? He don't look like you're moving right out there And like you said just like a lot of the moves that he's making, they kind of...

...article that, you know, he can't get nothing from him. It's like he's looking to pass. He's not even... Yeah. ...to even be aggressive, to even score. Because they definitely need him to put up points, but let's be honest, man. They ain't... Them folks ain't got enough firepower

to be messing with Minnesota now without Curry. Mm. But here's the thing, though, Joe. Who is he gonna pass it to? Dreymon? He gonna pass it to? Draymond? He go pass it to Pard? He go pass it to Tyson, Tyson, Jackson, David. He go pass it to a Loon.

I'm just trying to figure out who is he going to pass it to that can help him get points. Yeah. And you know, if. Go ahead. Okay. Now I'm just going to say, if anything, Joe and Unc, I really think there's something wrong with Jimmy. We know what Jimmy can do when he takes the game over and obviously trading for him and him understanding that Steph Curry is not playing and Jimmy's one that can, he can shoulder that load.

He can put that team on his back. And the fact that he came out tonight and he wasn't as aggressive and assertive as he should be and knowing that, listen, if we're going to score points, it got to come from somewhere and it should start with me. I'm not going to start the game facilitating. I'm not going to pass the ball. I'm going to do everything I can knowing that the one of the one individuals on the team right now that can put the ball on the floor and score. From anyone in the court is me. I mean, you were, you were expecting to be aggressive tonight.

So I think there is some type of lingering issue or something going on with it. Yeah, let's, let's not speculate. Let's go with what we know. Because that's what you always tell me. Say, Oh, it don't matter. You are doing that field. Hey, I expect the effort. And he, he was not aggressive.

Commingle was level to 12 from the free throw line. Jimmy Butler got to the line five times. That's not nearly aggressive enough. And like you said, I mean, he was getting, he was minus 30 and plus minus. And remember the other night, Joe in game three, it was a situation where the last eight minutes and 16 seconds, he didn't score a bucket. When the game, when the game really could have been, you know, going back and forth, it could have been teetering. That was the opportunity.

Julius Randall has been great. This playoff series, he had a career high 31 points. Julius Randall, 25 point playoff games. As a T-Wolf, he has three of those. As a Nick, he had a career high, 31 points. Julius Randall, 25 point playoff games. As a T-Wolf, he has three of those. As a Nick, he had one. I don't know what it is. Maybe he's more comfortable.

Maybe he's, but maybe there's more of an opportunity. It's kind of hard, but all I know is he's playing outstanding. And this is what you expect from your one-two punch. You need your one-two punch to be that. And then I'm going to give some production. OK, let me see what I can do to help y'all out McDaniel I got you ten Mike Harley gave you eleven Alexander Walker. I give you thirteen Okay. Yeah, Mike Harley gave you eleven tonight and in a situation your two big guns go off Well, you're minus one of your big guns with the Warriors. Now the other big gun needs to go off and that's Jimmy Butler.

He's looking to pass the ball to the guys that's not scores. I can see if he's passing the ball, if he's passing, if it's like Brunson, who's passing the ball to, uh, Cat. Yeah. Okay. I get that. Yeah. Okay.

Cat, cast an all star, cast an all NBA player. I get that. Who is Jimmy Butler passing the ball to that we know of as scores? That we think of like, you know, okay, I can see this. I mean, what? Outside of Kaminga, man, that damn there basically is. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Maybe he was hoping for Buddy here to have another one of them games. Hey, but listen. Oh, you, what is up what is up, my buddy. My buddy. That's the lesson. My buddy and me. They get along.

They get along in the field. But Joe, you talked about it, Joe, what they're doing. They're running them off that three point line. They're not letting them spot up and shoot now. So he's not a guy that's gonna take you off the dribble. He's not Steph Curry. He's not Dame Lillard. He's not one of these three point shooters

that can pop, pop, pop and get up, get, elevate the shot. He needs a catching shoot. Yeah, so like when all the attention is on Steph, it's easy to play in that role. You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. You can just kind of hide or just, you know, kind of spectate to some degree

and the ball just kind of finds you. But I think we really have to give Minnesota the credit, okay, Ocho, especially Randall. I know Randall has heard the whispers. He's heard the whispers. And I think just throughout this whole playoffs, he's been, you know, he's been pretty consistent for them. He's been special for them against the Lakers.

And in this round, the Warriors have no answer for him. And I appreciate it because when Ant-Man doesn't really have it going on, he takes the back seat to some degree, meaning, you know, he understands he's gonna get doubled. So he just kind of absorbs it, throws it to Randall, and Randall kind of goes out and makes plays. He's not only scoring the ball on the Ocho,

he's distributing, you know, at a nice factor, you know, for a guy his size, and he's taking advantage of the mismatches every time. He's making them pay it. Yeah, Drew Randall had it going early. He had like 19 points early, so he got it going early. Everybody took a back seat. But the problem that they have, the Warriors have,

excuse me, the goal that T-Wolves can do is that they don't have to double anybody. There's no Steph on the court. So I don't have to double anybody. So I don't have to scramble and leave guys wide open for wide open threes. Buddy Hill is not getting those wide open threes that he got in the last series and he got the first game with Steph Curry Within the game he's not getting those right and so with that being said now everybody's locked up man-to-man

I mean, it's not like Dre Ma is a threat So Rudy gobert is not putting the situation that he needs somebody to come help Okay, you rather can take a Jimmy Butler straight up, or Ant-Man can take him straight up. And then you got McDaniel, and then you got Collin. So who do we have to help off of so somebody else, Ocho, can get a wide open shot? Nobody. Because they figured the Warriors don't have nobody

who could just consistently beat them. Yeah, Dre-Bot's gonna make a couple threes. We're gonna live with that. That's not gonna beat us. That's not gonna beat us. He gonna make... What did I tell you, Ocho? I say anytime Dre-Bot take the a couple threes, we gonna live with that. That's not gonna beat us. That's not gonna beat us. He gonna make... What did I tell you, Ocho? I said, anytime Dre'mar take the first two threes, oh, we looking good.

Because, hey, I like this. I like this. I like this kind of party. Hey, you know, it's funny, it's amazing to see, obviously, with Steph being out, and I'm sure there are other teams like this, and something that I didn't even know, and I didn't learn until I started talking and watching basketball with you guys you know this season and now even

more has come to a head with understanding that most of the players on certain teams they have weaknesses and they have strengths so it would have started like Stephie and now it's coming to a head. Well I'm looking at now I'm noticing well goddamn with Stephie now I understand how much how great a player he is but I didn't know how great he was and how he made everything else work going on around him. Because now that he's out, now you have others, the scoring is really, the scoring is not coming from anywhere else.

Jimmy Butler's not playing like playoff Jimmy that Jimmy we used to see. And now you have the rest of the supporting cast, nobody can do anything on their own. They're weaknesses. Okay, you know, in football, you have 11 players on the field. Most of the time there's certain players you can hide what they don't do well.

Right. Hide it for a little bit. Now in this playoff atmosphere with Seth being out, well, yeah, everybody's being exposed for what they can do as opposed to what they can. Yeah. But that's the problem. It's like that in any playoff series in football, if you have, if you have a weakness, what do we, what does the team do?

They explore it. Whatever you're bad at, whatever you're bad at, it come playoff time, it gets explored. And in fact, a small example for those in the chat that don't know basketball, like these two do, look at the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. The offensive line, the offensive line.

Offensive line has been a problem all year. All season, Joe. And all of a sudden they go in the Super Bowl. The offensive line, the offensive line. Offensive line has been a problem all year. All season, Joe. And all of a sudden they get the Super Bowl and oh my goodness, it comes ahead and it's exposed tremendously. Yep. And that's what happened. And that's now, Steph, you got to double Steph. Yeah.

Cause Steph get the ball, we're going to try to run doubles at it. Okay, now Buddy can catch and shoot. Okay, now there are cracks in the defense. Jimmy can get to the lane, either he's lay the ball up or you gonna foul it. Well, with no step, we can play you honest. You ain't going nowhere. Because Jimmy, you're the only one that can create a shot for yourself.

Dreymon is really not creating a shot for himself. Buddy Hill's not creating a shot for himself. I mean, who's else is gonna start lying? Pahd, he's okay. Tyson, Jackson Davis, really? So, Kaminka, Kaminka, but Kaminka, you know, Kaminka comes off the bench. He played 30 minutes. I'm not worried about Kavon Looney and all these other guys that got in the mop up time. Gary Payton the second.

That's not what he does. He's a defender. He's a 3-and-D guy. He can, you know, spot up and shoot. But he's not looking to take somebody off the dribble. That's Steph. But Steph is more dangerous because so much attention is focused on him. Man, somebody robbing you blind over here. You looking at Steph because you know what he capable of.

And they robbing you blind right at your front door. They go to the front door. They got your TV. They got your refrigerator, your microwave. Hey, listen, you're steering your system and you worried about Steph. And Steph got his head through this pocket. And next thing you know, like, hey, who's throwing my it? You'll be looking at me the whole while.

And that's why Minnesota's playing the defense that they playing, you know, and switching because it takes you out of your counters that you can do if you're not switching. So they switching playing man up, man in the man defense, mano a mano, let's see what you got in your bag. We don't think you can score enough points for us to have to double if anybody. And you did it, bro. They took care of business.

They came and go and did what they were supposed to do. Obviously, I know they wanted to get home quarterback, and with Steph being out, I mean, come on. Yeah, we know he's gonna be up here climbing, Joe. We know Steph. It's just not, because T-Walls are too high power. When you got your two big guns playing the way they been playing this whole postseason,

and then you get these other guys chipping in, it's gonna be hard to beat them because it's hard for the Warriors to come by points. Right, because so if I got two guys going off, and we're gonna talk about this little lady, look at the Knicks. You see how the Knicks big guns went off? Mm-hmm. Okay.

We gonna offset JT, we're talking about him in a minute. We gonna offset JT, we offset Derrick White. Okay, so Brunson go get his and now Kat get his and now you let OG get his, you let McHale Bridges get his. You can't overcome that. Yeah. So now you got June Randall and what you call him combining for 61? Okay. I need Jimmy to at least give me 30 a fish 35. Yeah So now now if he gives me that these other guys chipping in that helps But when all the leads go our community was his lead score. He had 23 But I got my starters got 14 5 14 13 11

If you add all that up together that a 60 But I got my starters got 14, five, 14, 13, 11. If you add all that up together, that ain't 60. It did. It did by the time I get that 13 from Nikhil Alexander Walker, and I get that 11 from Colin, I get that 10 from McDaniel. It's a wrap. That's the game. Yeah. They put up an effort and people like, but man, this was a close game.

No, it wasn't. They listen. No, it wasn't. But what we do see in these, in this postseason, you gotta be healthy. That's why I say, you know, the West so thick, they gonna beat each other up. The East, they go there, they gonna beat each other up. So whoever come out of each conference,

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the final? Well, DeCeltis is not making it. But anyway, the Knicks, because I don't know if there's anybody on the West, OKC don't got no following. They ain't got no national following. Now, Ant-Man might bring some draw, but you need the Knicks. Yeah, hold on. Ain't nobody else. I mean, really, Indiana?

Hold on. You done seen them in the finals. You know that is, Joe. You saw them in the finals. You remember? Hold on. Even when you tell my back in the day with Shack and Kobe. Yeah. So you think about it. So you got to have that, that, that domino on the other side, Lakers, Shack

and Kobe, you got the Knicks, New York. Hey, it's fun to sound like, sound like the fat lady singing, huh? The Knicks, New York. New York! I'm here to tell you that because that be you, that be great radio. Hey, it's funny, it sound like the fat lady singing, huh? I mean, both, you know, your tune done changed now, cause listen, when the photo series started, I asked y'all who y'all had, y'all told me selfies. All of a sudden now we all dying to see, if you're gonna win the series.

It's some discrepancies in the series, old Joe. Oh, discrepancies, that's what it was? It's some dances, transpires. Hey, look, allow me to write the B-roll, but man, listen. Hey. I told you. I told you. Sometimes y'all gotta listen to me when I tell you things.

I understand you're the expert. You played at the highest level. You've been doing it all your life since you was four years old. Unc, you know basketball, in and out like the palm of your goddamn hand. But there's something about me and my ability to tell the future despite the Knicks being the underdog.

There's something about that goddamn big body Brunson. Listen, I just heard today, and I didn't even know, I asked, listen, I tweeted, does Jalen Brunson have a super max deal? And everybody told me, listen, young bull, what was a class act, decided to take a, a whole pound discount, a friendly discount so they could put a team around him and get some of his boys and get from Villanova. And they had that cutting the fool.

Now I don't know, the owner named Jane Dolan, right? Jane Dolan. Yeah. I know a lot of people got a lot of lops said by him, but if I was the owner, me and how I would move, whatever that supermax would be, I'm not going to wait. I'm going to pay him under the table. For what I'm getting in this post-season. No, don't do that. Don't pay that under the table. The last team to try to pay somebody under the table. David Stern put a penalty on him so hard, it got KG up out of Minnesota.

They tried to play Joe Smith. He took three first round draft picks. It crippled him. Wait. Don't do that. You can't. Oh, hell no. No, hell no.

Hell no. Hey, listen. Listen. It's like the death penalty in college. Like they gave SMU that put the death penalty on him? Listen, I understand what you're saying, and Joe, but if you're looking at what Brunson and Beto are doing, not just doing, forget just the playoffs, Unc. I'm talking about for helping the Knicks get from where they were from the entirety of the season to getting to the point

to I think nobody even gave them a chance to win this series to being up 3-1 and Jalen Brunson having the night the night. Come on now, 39, 40, 14, but 25, three fates. I mean what, three fates from three, seven for nine from the free throw. Well let's talk about this. I'm finna get to the spot and he finna get to a spot and that that mini rain Joe, whether he want to go on the hand, whether he want to pull up, ain't nothing stopping him. Every time. Y'all told me Drew Holliday was the one that stopped him. Let's get to it. The Knicks take a 3-1 lead against Boston.

Dralyn Brunson's dropped 39 against the Knicks to win it home. They take a commanding 3-1 series lead in the East Semis. Brunson has 102 fourth quarter points through 10 games of the playoffs. Joining Kobe Bryant in 2001 and 2003 as the only players with 104th quarter points in his first 10 games of a playoff run. He got contributions. Carl Anthony Towns had 23 and 11.

Mikhail Bridges was 23, seven, and four steals. OG Aminobi had 20 points with four made threes. Mikhail Bridges, the first two quarters combined, if you go look at the series, he has the first, second and third quarter combined, he has 28 points. In the fourth quarters, he had 26. That's clutch.

Jason Tatum was having a night of nights before he goes down. We don't want to speculate, but it did not look good. We'll see, they're gonna get an MRI tomorrow, but when you crumble like that and he was wailing, he was crying, and they got him back. They helped him off the court, and when they got him back to the locker room, they checked him in the tunnel, they got him in a wheelchair. So we think something seriously is wrong, but let's wait for the MRI, and I don't want

to put that into the air knock on wood Hopefully everything turns out okay, but he had a night He had it going 42 points eight rebounds four steals four six two block seven made threes He got help from his guy Derek White was six of 12 six of 11 from three five or seven from the free throw line but Jalen Brown's got to be better Jalen Brown's got to be better. Jalen Brown's got to be better. He's shooting 38% from the floor. Uh, uh, Joe and Ocho.

He's shooting 22% from the three. That's not good enough. You are a max player. You got to play like it. Jalen Brown is 29 of 77 from the floor. He's seven to 31 from the three. He has 14 turnovers with 13 assists. That's not good enough.

And it was his turnover, not that it, you know, it was a turnover, but Tatum tried to get the ball and he crumbled to the ground. Yeah. If it, it does look, the injury doesn't look good. Now who knows? We know Tatum can catch fire and he had it going in the fourth quarter. But the way the Knicks were playing, the way Bronson and McHale Bridges couldn't miss, I don't know if even when Tatum was in the game they were going to win that game considering

what's called when you got 37 in the third they got 70 points in the second half. When uh when Tatum went down I think that he was already losing the games, even though he was playing. I think they were down by five. Yeah, they had got down by five. The Knicks just gritty, man. They've been like that, you know, for quite some time and they gritted out, they've been gritting out, you know, playoff wins throughout this whole postseason. Nah, we didn't expect, I'm gonna be honest, a lot of us didn't expect for them to win this series. They won the first two. Ah.

Then they opened our eyes, but man, we have injuries of like, it's gonna be hard for Boston to be able to compete with these dudes. They're not gonna compete not without Jason Tatum. And see, Joe, that's why you take care of business the first two games, because maybe you can win a game. Maybe you can win one game without Jason Tatum.

You're not finna beat the Knicks three times without Jason Tatum. They got no contributions tonight from Al Horford and Holliday. They got nine points combined between them. Now... And they not aggressive. They like...

Holliday not aggressive. Like, they playing almost 35 and 40 minutes and they shooting two times, five times. Three for seven. Like, you gotta get more production from those shoot two times, five times. Three for seven. Like you gotta get more production from those guys, man, offensively. You know, it's just, somebody has to pick it up. Yeah.

But it's hard to be aggressive when you jacking up threes. They shot 48 threes. So how aggressive are you going to be if you shooting that many threes? Because clearly, you're not driving the basketball, you're not trying to get to the rim. Because look, Jason Tatum had 42, he had three or three from the free throw line.

Al Horford shot two free throws, Holliday didn't shoot any, Derrick White shot seven, Jalen Brown shot six, Prezenga shot six. So when you jacking up three, Joe, I mean, I ain't fitting to fire you on no three, even though they did fire Derrick White once.

As I'm watching the game, I seen Tatum get to the mid- range a few times. He made a few men Jumpers and yes, I see me make a few minutes He then he came down and made like two or three threes in a row. I saw Lord Yeah, so you know what? So, you know what that means? Oh, yeah. Yeah for him to shoot 16 threes Okay, also, that's a lot of threes for one person. I know he had a going with seven for 16 But I mean that's too many for me I feel like him and Brown has had the advantage throughout the whole series and using a big body to create space

Or get files make plays not only for themselves, but for them team for a teammates I thought they had been doing a pretty good job with that, but they look pretty stagnant out there It's just like your turn my turn. I think that's kind of why like pretty stagnant out there. It's just like your turn, my turn. I think that's kind of why like, Al and Holiday didn't really got involved because they're switching the pick and rolls. New York, we're not letting you throw back to Al

so he can just shoot Scott free jumpers. We're gonna, I got to play one on one. It's got ice hole basketball. Who can get a bucket? Yeah, Tateum had it going, but damn, when he went down, bro, I just put my head down there like oh Listen, I'm I'm not a doctor. I'm not here to assess anything But again looking at a player when he goes down and being able to assess what it is

Non-contact. Yeah, non-contact. Listen, not only was it non-contact. I was able to do the same thing with Steph I told you exactly what it was and the reports came out the following morning It was the exact same thing with this one. I'ma hope for the best. I'ma hope for the best, because you know, anytime you have a non-contact injury with a person and a player like that is crying and wailing around,

you already know what that is. I'm not gonna say anything because I'm wishing for the best for him. But listen, Jaylen Tatum was on fire tonight, boy. He was seven for 16. Jason. Oh yeah, Jason Taylor. You could buy Jaylen and you try

to brown and Taylor together. It's Jason Taylor and Jaylen Brown. I'm talking so goddamn fast, my bad, my bad. You good, you good. We know what you meant. Yeah, Jason Taylor had a hell of a night. Now he had 42, but the goddamn Knicks, collectively as a group, they shot 54% from the field, right?

A respectable 5% from three. And, respectable. Yeah, I percent from three and Again, I I know I said it already, but that Jane and brunson bro. Come on, man Hey Joe whatever you want to do Joe when it's time for three He gonna give to you when they got to get to the bucket in the mid-range and then pull up You don't get to you when he he got, he use his goddamn body so well, Joe. Yeah, he do, bro. He's got it so well. It's just all, all, all type of different angles, man.

Like, they got the pay mo- Okay, let me stop. Let me stop. But the thing is, Joe, I watched him in college at Villanova. He was a slave wave? And, uh, he could get his shot. He wasn't this. And then I watched him, because he go to the mouths. And sometimes, what he needed was his own team.

He was never gonna be able to be this with Luca. Cause Luca's gonna have the ball. He needs the ball. Sometimes a man needs his own home. He needs his own place to call home. That is New York. Hey, boy, you didn't just hear that goddamn bar? You're just hold on man. Hey Cuz he wasn't he wasn't gonna be that in Dallas he could only he was only gonna be so much cuz Lucas got the ball

He needs the ball and you know what? It fits him to they built this team around them They did I know they had they've had highs and lows but for the most part he's been consistent and the thing that I like about him he's so crafty especially in like the picking roles even in the post-up because he's not the he's not the most athletic guy you know it's all angles and you know hitches, hesitations, keeping you out balance it's almost like a boxer you know what I mean? You throwing jabs, you don't hate makers all day.

And he's, you know what he can do? What's that? He can create a shot. Yeah. Oh, yeah. There are very few guys that can create, I mean, from any angle, he can create a shot. I mean, he, I mean, and he's a, and for his size,

and I've been next to him, I've talked to him before and seen him in person, the way he can create separation to get that turnaround off that mini is incredible for someone his size. But if you look at his body he can absorb contact, play through it and get A-1's as good as anybody his size I've ever seen. Go ahead Ocho. Yeah I don't mean to disrupt and you got away from it a little bit. I had to get my notepad, but I need you to bring that back to me one more time, because that was a bar. It was a bar.

You didn't even realize it was a bar. You said about Jalen Russell not being able to put Luca on the mask, but neither the what? He needed his own home. Because that was Luca's home. Yeah, I did the same passion and energy you said it with the first time. But I'm saying, because if you look at it,

if you go back and look at it before, they didn't give him, because a year earlier, they could have extended him, Ocho, and they didn't. So now it comes time, and it's like, okay, we got you now. No, no you don't. No you don't now, because I already know somebody down here, they already got 100 mil for this.

So that 55, I would have taken that last year. I ain't gonna take it now. And so now he's like, okay, I'm in somebody else's outro. It's like, when you go to your boy house, you comfortable, but ain't no place like your home. Cause now you can get ready, hey, you wanna walk around with your shirt on, you wanna walk around butt bald,

you can do all of that, cause that's your home. You can't do that in someone else's home. So now, MSG, that's his home. And he acts accordingly. If you look at the way he plays, look at when Luke, that last year he was there, and I think they went to the Western Conference Finals. He was doing it.

He's doing that. The only difference is he didn't have the minutes that allow him to showcase what he's doing. He wasn't playing no, what did he play tonight? Brunson played 40 minutes. They gave him 30, 32 maybe. But now he gets to take the lion's share of the minutes. 14 to 25, four, eight, seven, and nine.

I know he mad. He mad cause he missed that first free throw cause he wanted a 40 ball. That's what he wanted. He wanted a 40 spot. he wanted a 40 ball. Yep. That's what he wanted. He wanted a 40 spot. Yep. He wanted that 40 water.

Yeah. But Ocho, looking at, I mean, looking at him play and looking at what he was with Dallas, I didn't see this. I didn't. I was like, damn, because I remember him last year and he was sensational. Luke could go to the bench and it was like they didn't miss a beat. So I thought he could be good, but not this. I don't know if anybody thought this. He did. He thought this. I'm sure he believed in his own ability. But sometimes Ocho, I can believe all I

want to, but if I don't get an opportunity to showcase it, what can I do? Listen, he's doing, I don't get an opportunity to showcase it. What can I do? Right. Right. He's doing, he's, I don't know how to, how to explain it on what he's been able to do, not just for New York in general, the fans in general, Stephen A, I know Stephen A gonna be hollering.

I know. But not only had to make intention and playing well during the regular season, but to be pushing them through in the postseason, especially the game of this magnitude, against a team that was the champions last year, and were damn near crowned to be the champions this year and be up 3-1.

And him leading at the forefront of everything, and when it's time to get it done, I mean, Mr. Klux? Mr. Klux, every mean, Mr. Klutz. Mr. Klutz, every time, we need a shot. I got you. He's been the best player in the series. I got you.

Look, I understand what's on the other side, Ocho, and that's not a knock on Tatum or Brown, but Jalen Brunson has been the best player in this series. And this is why it's so hard to repeat, you see? Everybody thought it was a foregone conclusion. They wanted going away last year, and they brought everybody back and everybody, all the key contributors, basically 28 or under. And look, and just like that. So now you have a healthy level of respect for teams that year in and year out. Now you get an opportunity. Now can you appreciate what LeBron did? Eight straight finals? Eight straight.

Eight straight. Not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven. Eight straight finals. You see how hard it is? Because, think about it, that's year after year. You play, LeBron's playing 70 games a year. And now you're playing,

you gotta win four games in the first round. So you might be playing five, six, seven games, five, six, seven games, five, six, seven games. Then you go to the finals. Yeah, it's tough, man. You think about the teams that beat three-peat, even like the Bulls, even the Lakers. The Bulls, the Lakers.

They're like, three-peaten, bro? That's crazy. But that's why it's so hard in football. What you think about it. Now you're playing 17 games. Okay, you only playing three preseason, but you play 17 games. Now you play three playoff games every year. You don't play it half a season. If you three, like the Chiefs, they've already played half a season. It just did the post season. That catches up with you because guess what? By everybody else give their body six weeks to recover,

you still going. Your six weeks to recover, you try to take six weeks, Ocho, you dabbing it back in Medicare. You in OT hangies. Everybody else that got their body to recover, Ocho, they done going on vacation. You like, baby, your girl or your wife probably saying, hey, babe, when we going on vacation?

I sure hope you enjoyed the Super Bowl, because that was your vacation. And that's the thing. It's so grueling on your body. You play, and think about it, Ocho Nata and Joe, they playing back to back. They play Monday, they play Wednesday, they play Friday, they play Sunday.

Yeah, you only get a day in between. And that's not a lot of risk when you playing 40 minutes a night, you know what I mean? Yes! Hey, but look, we got to get a Nipsey credit. Oh, they ballin'. Because I thought he was going to grind them to the nub. McKell Bridges, 44 minutes.

OG, 40 minutes. OG, 40 minutes. Cat, 36 minutes. Brunson, 40 minutes. Hart, 30 minutes. Now, Hart and Cat only played the minutes they played because they were in foul trouble. Had they not been in foul trouble, their ass would have been in there 40 minutes.

Hey look, if OG and Bridges gonna play like this and be efficient, you not gonna be able to beat the Knicks. Not with Brunson and Catep playing the way they playing, and you add them two in, see, that's why they got them two to come over there, because they needed them to deal with Tatum and Brown. Yes. And even before Tatum's injury,

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Jalen Brown is plenty good enough. Yeah. Derrick White is plenty good enough. Pratt & Pritchett coming off the bench. Al got to play better than what he's playing. You're not going to beat the Knicks three times without Jason Tatum. I don't give a damn how well JB played.

I don't care how well Derrick White played and Al Horford. You're not going to beat the Knicks three times without Jason Tatum. I don't give a damn how well JB play. I don't care how well Derek White play and Al Horford. You're not finna beat the Knicks three times without Jason Tatum. It ain't happening. It did definitely. Yeah. Not unless somebody step up and just have an outer body. Like you gonna need JB to be awesome.

Like he gonna almost need to average about 35 and then own him out. And then you can find a hope. Somebody come along with him, and, you know, Derrick White can probably stay consistent at the way he's been playing. I think he's been pretty good for him, but, man, they gonna need some guys to really step up, bro.

Just even get themselves a chance at home next game, because I'm sure the Knicks want to close him out. Oh, yeah, I don't leave anything to chance. Because guess what? I step on some, hey, I shoot't leave anything to chance because guess what? I step on some, hey, I shoot a jump shot and I come down on somebody's ankle. You see what I'm saying, don't you? Somebody said, I bang knees with somebody.

No, no, no, no, I'm finna get y'all ass up out of here. I'm going home to rest. Y'all finna let you, hey, get your coat, your brim and get on out of this gym. Get your coat, your hat and leave. I don't mean to be looking towards the future, right? Let's say that Nick came on out of this gym. Get your coat, your hat and leave. I don't mean to be looking towards the future, right? Let's say that Nick came up out of this, which they probably are going to do. Yeah. Who we have, who we have Nick's facing?

Pacers. Yeah. That's going to be a good series. I can see that series going seven games. Okay. Okay. The Pacers beat them, the Pacers beat them last year, beat them in MSG game seven. Right. Brunson didn't have his best day and everything the Pacers was throwing up was going in.

And sometimes you have it like that. You throw it up, it go in. And you're like, damn, can y'all miss? But I agree with you. If you're going to get 23 from Bridges, 20 from OG, hold on, Bridges shot 11 to 21. OG was eight of 14. Cat, you see the difference? Cat was 11 to 15. He only tipped at three threes. You see the difference? You see where they get his big ass down

on that block on Joe? What'd I tell you? When he get down there on the block, and stop trying to out shoot Dirk, I don't care if you can shoot better than dirt. You're not gonna go to the championship, play it like that. Get your big butt down there and punish him on the block.

He did that. Russell was 14 or 25. If you tell me they gonna get 23, 20, 23, 39. Hey, it was gonna be hard for Boston to win that game if you knew they'd come in too as a butt. For sure, they shot 54% from the floor. And Boston is a very good defensive team. They got Derek White that can defend.

They got a Holliday that can defend. They got Brown that can defend. They got Horford that can defend. They got defenders. And they shot 54% against that team. Cause Boston is another team that switches everything. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, look, they been good.

They on their outro. You see how they grind Williams out? Y'all imagine what New York would be like if them dudes make it to the finals, let alone if they even just get out this series. Hey, it's gonna be crazy. Matter of fact... Man, I could... Hey.

Man, can you imagine what them tickets gonna cost court-side at MMSG? Them tickets probably started by 30,000. More than the Lakers? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. And the Lakers... They might start at 50. 50?

Cause the Lakers... For NBA finals, the Lakers right now... Oh, that's... Oh, with Luke and LeBron? Yeah. Oh, yeah, you start at 30, 35, and the closer you get to sitting in the court, them tickets might be 100,000. Oh, so we're gonna be watching right here on the couch. For sure.

As a matter of fact. For sure, absolutely. Absolutely. I'm gonna give you a better scenario, you know, wordplay as far as where we gonna be watching it based on them tickets. I'm gonna be watching it based on them takes by the, I'm gonna be watching it on my property. He got a chair.

You must be going off property. I will be eating some chips. I'll be eating some Doritos, some chips here, some kind of chips. And right here, drinking ginger ale. Ain't no way. I've been, like I said, I've been to an NBA finals game. I mean, like that was on my bucket list to like do like,

I still gotta go to Wimbledon. I wanna go to the Daytona 500 or the Indy 500. I've been to a US Open. I've been to a Super Bowl, been to a World Series. Starting to visit, it's like a bucket list. You know what I'm saying, don't you? But Wimbledon would probably be on my bucket list, but 40, $50,000 for a ticket, woo, Lord.

Listen, and out of everything you name, obviously I've been to Wimbledon, I've been to the US Open. You know, I could tell you you probably gonna like the most because it's something that I used to be in that, that goddamn Daytona 500, right? Yeah. I can imagine.

I know when you, when you, when people talk about it, all they say is, oh, and just cars going in a circle. But when you get yourself inside the atmosphere and you sit in them stands, you get your food, you get your beer, you get your hot dog and whatever, whatever condiments you might need and them cars crank up on and you can feel. Oh yeah. Ain't nothing like the 800 horsepower boy. can feel oh yeah ain't nothing like the

800 horsepower boy oh my god ain't nothing like ain't nothing like and a lot of people you know they trash NASCAR because of you know whatever it may be but sometimes you put all that stuff aside and you go in it sometimes you got to go see for yourself ain't nothing like it I'm telling you that's that's one of the one of the most amazing first dates you can take someone on if it's something that you're not used to doing. Well, you better hope she don't like to talk

because you ain't gonna hear a damn thing she say and she ain't gonna hear a damn thing you say. Nothing. They'll call her some damn liar. Would they all bad? Look here. Would they all? I was at Watkins Glen and you talking about gentlemen gentleman, start your engine, and boy, they start, woo!

Okay, okay. Hey, man, I'm trying to have a sit-down. Yeah, yeah. And then take off, and they're going like this, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, and then, hey, firing them tires hey, firing them tires up before they start to grip. Hey, Joe, ain't nothing like it, man, ain't nothing like it. Yeah, I am. But I'm going to the Daytona, I'm gonna go to the Daytona.

I'm gonna see Daytona, that's on my bucket list. But I don't know, in order to extend this series, Joe, what do the Celtics have to do in order to extend this series, Joe, what do the Celtics have to do in order to extend this series to a Game Six and come back to Madison Square Garden? Man, they're gonna have to lay it on the line. They're gonna have to lay it all out there

as far as winning. They're gonna have to have guys step up and make plays maybe who aren't accustomed to. But I think Holladay is capable of having a big game. I think- Yeah, yeah, yeah, he can get you 20. Holladay's capable of having a big game. I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, he can get you 20. Holladay's capable of having a solid game, double, double. You just gonna need JB to kind of be special, man.

Like, he's a pain and pressure to come in and get off, but the way- But you know what's been hurting him, Joe? Prozinger's hadn't give him ish. Because he don't look healthy neither. He don't look like he moving good out there neither. Yeah, he ain't. Since, even since last final run.

You know what I mean? It's like, it's kinda hampered with him throughout the entire season. So. He had a knee injury, right? Was it a knee or ankle? I don't know what he had. He was out for a while.

And ever since he came back. But he needed to get it right. In order for them to have a chance, he's gonna have to play better than what he's been playing. Chance at who? 20 minutes, four, 10, two or seven from three-point line. That ain't nearly enough. That ain't good enough.

Yeah, it is. No, let me take that back. He's only two from the three-point line. Three or six from the free throw line. Two or six from the floor. 24 minutes, mm-mm. Seven points, nah bro. Yeah, they gonna need somebody to step up and play big,

but I think New York, they on to them. They like, okay, it's our chance. They probably could go and get this over with, maybe get a couple days to rest. They had a 14 point lead and the Knicks trimmed it. Yeah. Just like that. That's why when I watch the Celtics, they be getting off to them hot starts.

Even though Tatum was hot in that first court, I was thinking like, damn, it's gonna be hard to sustain this. You know what I mean? It's almost like it's set up for us to sit back and watch and be like, okay, we know the Knicks gonna make a comeback at some point. You know what I mean?

And it seemed like it just kind of starts to trickle down with, they just start having turnovers or missed shots. So just ill it by. They read it, they bare reckless to trickle down with it. They just start having turnovers or missed shots. So just ill-advised. They read it. They buried reckless with the basketball. Oh man. They buried reckless with it.

Ill-advised three point shots that really starts the fast breaks and it- Yeah, yeah. I mean, there was a situation they were down in that corner three. I'm like, Derek White, you don't need to take that, bro. It's okay. It's okay. You don't need to take that, bro. It's okay. It's okay.

You don't have to take a three. And they took that and it's like, I agree with you, Joe. I don't really know what they can do outside of JB giving you a 40 piece, Derek White coming along with the high 20s, and somebody else tagging along for maybe a mid 20. Other than that, I just don't see it. They're getting killed on the glass.

I mean, they're getting killed on the glass. Plus 12 Knicks were plus 12 again. Plus six on the offensive glass, which means create second chance points. And the Knicks only shot 12 free throws. And in their second half, especially down the stretch in the fourth quarter, I mean, in the fourth quarter of especially down the stretch in the fourth quarters,

I mean in the fourth quarter of the game, the Knicks just impose they will. I can hold your day. You know, they're going to fight you all game bro. When it's the last seven, eight minutes of the game or in the quarter, you know what I mean? And they, yeah, they just, they just basically impose a will on these dudes. Uh, I think, you know, I you know I guess I think the Knicks got some special in for us man. The way they play. And how many how many times we

see Mikael Bridges late in the shot clock hit that fade away? Man. Every I mean at least four I mean how many points he have in the fourth quarter? Hey he did about three or four times in the paint. Yeah. Pretty full times in the paint. Lean back with it like you would Jordan. Yeah. Because normally when he gets the ball, it's probably like four or five seconds left. So he got, he got just enough time to get in his bag

and get him one off real quick. Cause they ain't nobody, they not gonna double him cause they so tight on Brunson and all these other dudes. So the floor is kind of wide open for him to kind of, you know, play, make and score. But yeah, I thought Bridges was huge, man. He was huge. He was, he was again in the fourth quarter.

Remember that game two, he had 14 points. He had zero points for the first three quarters and then had 14 in the fourth. 10? He had 10 fourth quarter points today. Big bucket after big bucket after big bucket. Man. And you, and you the niggas, you want him being aggressive

like that, 21 attempts. Like you want him to come out and be aggressive and make plays, take some of this fresh out Brunson and K. You know, so things can kind of open up. I thought he's, I think he's been doing a pretty good job, you know, especially today. Yeah, he was five or six from the floor in the fourth quarter with 10 points.

Hey! And look, if you don't have a 20 point, even if you got a 20 point lead on them in the fourth quarter, they're going to cut it down. Yeah. They're going to cut it down to 10 or 12. They can. It's just a matter of time. But our thoughts go out to Jason Taylor, man.

I know a Celtics fans, we're sorry. This injury does not look good. We don't want to speculate to what it is, but we saw a guy go down with a non-contact injury and he grabbed his ankle. Yes. Why, man? That's what got me in.

I'm like, man, he can't put no money where he get up. He knew, because he doesn't hurt everybody say what it felt like Yeah, and he felt that very thing. Yeah And we've seen it enough guys all of a sudden take off and just crumble to the ground We're going to do me some catfraises tonight just cuz there Ah, oh Nico back it Oh oh, Nico, oh, Nico Harrison. He in good, he back in good grades. You feelin' good now, man.

Hey, hey, listen. Ah, Joe. Hold on, hold on. Hey, yo, I think all this was pre-planned, Joe. I think all this was pre-planned. I know they talk about lottery and oh, you lucky and who gets the number one pickin'. I think all this was done purposely, man.

You said, so basically what you said is, you said since they done send Luca out there to LA, they done made it to, okay, we gonna get a mass number one pick. That's what you think. Yeah, man. They know they, hey, come on. You see, you're proud of them.

Hey, nah, that's Milwaukee's pick. I want Luca, I want Yardy's. Hey, look, that's exactly what I'm from the Ag Child. So what do we do with this number one pick that Dallas got? Do we go out, you know? OK. Today's NBA lottery did not help the NBA rig conspiracy theory. The Mavericks had a 1.8 percent chance of landing the number one overall pick. They are the fourth longest odds ever to get the number one overall pick. They are the fourth longest odds ever

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That's what you get. Derrick Rose, check this out in 2008, Derek Rose going to hometown Chicago Bulls. He had a 1.7% chance. Uh, the 2011, the Cavaliers getting the one pick after LeBron left prior. Cause think about it when LeBron left, they got the number one pick like three, four years in a row. They got, they got Kyrie, they got Wiggins, they got Benny, they got three of them. In 2012, the Pelicans got the number one overall pick

after Chris Paul leaves, you know? And that's when they vetoed that trade, wasn't it? Oh, in 2014, the Cavaliers got the number one pick to give them assets needed to bring Kevin Love to Cleveland. And the Peliers got the number one pick to give them assets needed to bring Kevin Love to Cleveland. And the Pelicans got the number one pick after Anthony Davis demands a trade. In 2025, the Mavericks get the number one pick

after trading Luke at the trade deadline. Joe, now the first time they thought the lottery was rigged in 1985 was the first time they had a lottery, and the Knicks got Patrick. So they swore it was rigged. 1985 was the first time they had a lottery and the Knicks got Patrick So that makes day swarming reads so yeah, I think it's really I don't think it's a basketball guys What I'm thinking what I'm thinking is like what what are they gonna do with this number one pick Are they gonna package this and go get? Katie you're honest. No. Oh, all right. Listen already to no no go get Katie or Yonis?

No. Oh, all right, listen, I already told you. No, no, no, no, not Katie, Yonis. I'm not giving, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yonis, you're going to get, Yonis. You're gonna get traded number one. But I don't know if that's enough because now the money got a match. I already told y'all, why y'all talking about Yonis

going to Dallas and I already told you where Yonah's is going He says he said Antonio listen to me Yonah says he wants to play in a state With no tax what do you think Dallas Texas? Dallas is no state that you know Texas Dallas Houston wants to come to Miami ain't nobody Well, you said you said you want to play in a state that don't have state taxes. Okay, okay, but you know what I'm leaning towards. You know what I'm leaning towards.

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Oh, that number two pick? Who? Oh, and he got Wimby? Who? And he got Stephon Cousel, rookie of the year? And they got a smby. Ooh And he got Stefan Kassel rookie of the year And they got a smorgasbord 36 picks over seven years now I don't know, you know my math ain't that good, but that's about five picks a year if you were to drag that So I'll get a I'll give you the number two pick in the draft. I'll give you vassal

I'll give you Kelton Johnson that I give you four I'll give you four first-round picks and give you Kelton Johnson, I'll give you four, I'll give you four first round picks and two pick swaps. Come on, wait a minute. You say it's hard to turn down. Hey, hey, hey, they ain't turning nothing down but the color. For who, for who?

You saying the Spurs? I'm gonna give you, the Spurs got the number two pick. I'm gonna give you him. I'll give you four future first round picks, unprotected. I'll also give you two pick swaps. I'll give you Vassel, and I'll give you Kelton Johnson. But their number two pick ain't gonna be Cooper Flag. They want the number one pick, huh?

Hey, I ain't got no more picks. Hey. Hey, and Dallas, Dallas might say, well, hell, we'll pair a Cooper flag with AD and Kyrie and keep it for our damn self. I'm saying, is they gonna win you a championship though? Think about that. Him as a rookie, can he come in and fit in and be a key player to what they trying to do?

Can Yannis, Kyrie, and AD, can they fit in? Hell yeah. AD don't want to play the five. Yanis don't want to play the five. Yanis want to play the four. AD want to play the four. What they want to do? They want to win or what they want to do? Hey, what you heard what AD say?

AD say I just play better. My mind is at ease when I'm at the four. He got gas putting live mail over there. What you want to do? Oh, they got to go. You ain't fit to keep all that. What you want to do? Oh, they got to go you if it keep all that You're gonna be you're gonna keep at least one No, I want them both

Now they're gonna give up both. They don't have to keep they're gonna keep going Now you keep you keep how you like to move Confusing the hypotheticals y'all going through I'm gonna let y'all finish and when he is oh Joe Oh Joe, unless unless you pair with four other teams, you don't have the draft capital I know we don't have the draft capital I would break it down and further in powerpoint presentation the way it was given to me, you know by The higher-ups, you know in part of the organization, but I can't do that right now. But again, he will be down here in Miami.

I'm telling you, I keep, I'm trying to give you hand after hand every show, but ain't nobody listening to me. Houston got the draft capital and the young players, a Jabari Smith, a Drelin Green, and the draft capital. Brooklyn got the draft capital, but I don't know if they have the players. Utah have draft capital. I don't know if they have the players. Utah have draft capital. I don't know if they have the players.

Do you want Laurie Markkerton under Colin Sexton and four or five draft picks? I don't know. But Houston with Jalen Green and Jabari Parker, excuse me, Jabari Smith Jr. and for first round of those, uh, uh, Joe, to, to Milwaukee for Yanis? Uh, yes. Cause I paired Yanis, I paired Yanis with Shungoon and I, I, I gotta keep a, I gotta keep our man Thompson now. I gotta keep him.

See that? You know, it's just seem like you're going to, I don't know, for whatever reason, like you're gonna take away some of the shooting or the scoring. It's like, cause you know, Amir Thompson and Yanis, Yanis, they, they almost like same type of player almost. No, I'm ain't gonna be, but he gonna, he gonna get better. He getting better at shooting the ball and plus we need defenders.

Remember what happened last time your walkie got away to defend defenders? When they gave up holiday, how they look? I'm saying- You gotta have somebody that can defend. Young is gonna wanna have that ball in his hand a lot. I think Young boy, if they gonna do that, he gonna play, he gonna control that rock a lot more. You know, Young's gonna have to play off the ball, so.

Yeah, I know. I'm gonna make the ball. That's why we gonna keep a point guard. We gonna keep Van Fleet. Okay. It sound good. Yeah, that know. I'm gonna eat the ball. That's why we gonna keep a point guard. We gonna keep Van Fleet. Okay. It sound good. Yeah, that's it. It sound good.

That's all it is. It just sound good. But I'm saying you gotta go to the team because they want players and they want draft capital. Right. There are only a handful of team that have players and the draft capital. You got San Antonio, you got Houston, you got Utah.

You, Brooklyn have the capital, but they don't have the players. Houston have the players and the capital. I see what you're saying. Utah have capital and players, Laurie marketing, Colin Sexton, they have some pieces. So he's made it clear, look, no income tax, because hey, I'm about to sign this new max deal,

and I want all this, I want all this, I want all this cheddar in my pocket. So he's telling you, he's telling you what he wants. Also he's telling you, he's coming from Milwaukee, he doesn't want to go to Utah. He doesn't want to go to San Antonio. He wants to come down to South Beach. He wants to- That's not what he's saying. He said a come down to South Beach. He wants to find... That's not what he said.

He said a state with no income tax. I'm telling you... That's what he said. I'm trying to give you a hint. You're not listening to me. I'm telling you what I know. I'm not telling you. I'm not saying I'm shams.

I'm not saying I'm woes. I know that... But he also said he would like to be in L.A. too. Now, we know he can't go to the Lakers, but what about the Clippers? I don't know if the Clippers have it. They got... Do the Clippers have the players? They're gonna have to give up Harden or Kawhi? Cause they ain't got no other pieces. They don't want Norman Powell or Zubats.

I don't know if that's enough. They don't have the draft capital. All those other teams, they got seven, eight first-rounders. I'm gonna tell you this. And they got capital. Jalen, you like Jalen Green? You like Jabaris Milt Jr.? Yeah. I mean, what you like, Joe? In four first rounders and two pick swaps. Man, I like some way somehow getting him to Dallas,

him and KD to Dallas. That's what I like. Oh, I can see KD going to Dallas, but not for Cooper Flag. They're not trading Cooper Flag for KD. See, y'all not going to understand till you see or hear. Boy, you seen Yannis last night on 183rd? Yeah, he was in two seats getting, you know, on the second

floor getting his shoulder rubbed. All right. You know, y'all not going to listen to me until I was here. I was with Yannis. We went to dinner. We went to dinner on South Beach. But y'all keep coming up with all these hypotheticals, and was gonna be honest, we went to dinner on South Beach, but y'all keep coming up with all these hypotheticals and I'm telling you where to go.

No, I'm just looking at without the team, without getting three or four teams involved, I'm looking at a team like Houston that have the capital and the players that can do something straight up. I'm looking at maybe a Dallas, a Cooper Flag, a Daniel Gafford, and I don't know, Clay Thompson. But you're gonna need Clay Thompson to space the floor.

But you do. Hey look, them fans in Dallas gonna be peed off if they mess with Trae, they're number one pick. Those folks want Cooper. Even for Yannis? Those folks want't coupe. Even for Yannis? Those folks won't coupe a flag, man. Yannis is the only man, and he did it twice. 30 points, 12 rebounds, 5 assists, on 60% shooting.

Nobody's ever did it once. He's done it in back to back years. And in the postseason, he was even better. 30, 33 points, 15 rebounds, six assists. Oh, he just shot 57% in the playoffs, that's all, but you know, hey, they lost. Oh man. I think the Spurs have the best chance

because they have, you know what I'm saying, him and Wimby, with castle, you got Chris Paul, Kelton Johnson, Vassal for first round of some pick swaps. I give up five first round. Okay. See, okay. See, has the, has the capital to move it, to get it done. But I don't know if Preston wants to break up his young core, his young nucleus.

Yeah. They win it. Uh, so it's, it's, it's, it's, it's going to be very, very interesting. I don't see, I don't see the reason that he stays. They can't, they can't improve. And I told people that, and I remember having a very conversation. Oh, I don't want to go. I want to go join somebody else.

Yonis, if LeBron James couldn't get anybody to come join him in Cleveland, you damn sure can't get somebody to come join you in Milwaukee. Period. And as great as you are, if you take LeBron at his peak, you take Yonis at his peak, LeBron was better. And LeBron couldn't get anybody to come join him via free agency. So I don't know to tell you Yonis. free agency. So I don't know to tell you, Yannis. You see, all these people do all this talking, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Joe, but if you're not careful, you will become the

very thing you despise the most in a person. Everybody despise LeBron James going to link up and I'll be damned, Ocho. What is everybody going to do now? If you're not careful, you will become the very thing you despise the most in a person. If you hate a liar, if you're not careful, you'll become the very thing you despise the most in a person if you hate a liar If you're not careful, you'll become one if you hate a cheat if you're not careful You'll become one if you hate a thief if you're not careful You'll become one if you hate a superstar to go meet up with other superstars if you're not careful You'll become the very thing you despise the most in a person Well, you see I want to do it thing you despise the most in a person. Hold on now. Yeah. Hold on now.

Well, you see how he working it? What he doing? What he doing, Ocho? He can do it every time. He's crazy. And my stairs, everybody, oh, I want to stay here. I want to be do this, and I want to do that. I be damn.

And LeBron sitting back there in his Brentwood mansion, like, oh, really? Oh, really? Oh, really? It's my time. And y'all mad at me, but y'all don't realize Paul, it was KG and Ray Allen did it first. Did y'all realize that the Boston Celtics didn't draft KG or Ray Allen and they joined Paul Pierce?

That was the big three. And then they got Ray, Rondo. It was really a big four. But I know y'all got it in for me. So y'all said I did it. Okay Hmm Hey, look, I want to see him on the moon I want to see him in a different in a different uniform don't be in one vice city. Yeah real fire Dave County It's on BM1, Vice City, 305, Dade County, Liberty City. But I thought he didn't want to go play

with other great players. He said that. Can we got to pull that article? We gonna have it next time you come over here. Where he said- He ain't mean it. He ain't mean it. Oh, I know.

Yeah, he ain't mean it. He needs some help. He needs some help. You see, because see what you do, Joe. See what you do is that when LeBron do it, see if I say that's not what I wanna do, everybody say, yeah, watch, see how Yanni's is, see how Yanni's is,

but that's the thing about the internet now. It's forever. Yeah. It's forever. Yeah. Cause a lot of times some people saying stuff that in the 70s, if you weren't around to hear it, you don't remember it, or the 80s, but this thing, this invention called the internet, oh, internet oh it's amazing thing it'll stay up there forever

yeah hello yeah but uh I just don't oh Joe I look I understand Miami but no wait listen we got it you do realize Tim Duncan was going to go to Orlando. The only reason he didn't go, you know why he didn't go on Joe? They said he could not fly his wife on the plane when they go on, it's okay, he went back. Because Papa allowed it. He was going to be in that with T-Mack and Grant Hill.

Yep, and Grant Hill. Tim Dock. It was a done deal. Woo. He asked, do y'all allow significant others on the team charter? No, that's not what we do here. But that's what they do where I left, and I'm going back.

Yeah, that's crazy. So at the end of the day, in order to get said, I mean, there's a lot of times when you want a CEO, you have to offer perks, 24 hour security, you get lifetime healthcare, you get X amount of hours on the private jet. There are certain perks, there are certain concessions you must make if you want said individual. Sometimes, I mean, to get a guy like, think about it.

Tim Duncan and T-Mac and Grant Hill. All because, you know what? Well, we have a policy. Name a rule that hadn't been amended. Or a bit, a little bit. Yes. You make concessions. There are certain things that you have to be

willing to make concessions for. And if, if it, if it's more than for Tim Duncan, or if I get an opportunity to get a shack or Colby in their prime or LeBron, Oh, now in this situation, Ayanna is, yeah. How many times, how many times do we see players and then their dads or somebody they know is on the staff? Right, all the time. Yeah. Okay, now you can be stubborn

and tell me that ain't what we do. Okay. That is what we used to do. We do it now. You need some help nowadays, bruh. Absolutely. These teams are too good. They're too good. Because everybody got at least two. Everybody got two. Yeah, some even three. Maybe even four. Yes. And so now John is looking at it like, man, three, maybe even four. Yeah, and so now Yonis is looking at it like, man, look, at best case scenario,

Dane was not coming back until the start of the 26 season. Yeah. 26 head to 27. Yeah. Yeah. Dane wanted to be in Miami to begin with. Pat Roder didn't want to give up the compensation. wanted to be in Miami to begin with. Pat Roder didn't want to give up the compensation. See Pat thought he could strong on people.

Nah, nah, we take the best deal. We're not just finna give him to you. That's not gonna happen. It's not. So it's gonna be very interesting this thing. I mean, look, Cooper flag. I don't believe Dallas will trade Cooper flag. I don't.

Yeah, they might run Nico out of town if you do that. You got rid of Luca? You got rid of Luca? Hey, hey, hey, Cooper. Yeah, you got to go. You got to go. Hey, they might storm the castle, Ocho. Unless what you bringing in gonna deliver a championship,

but still you gonna have to go through the grief all the way up until the end. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, I don't know. Listen. Because even if you wouldn't won with Yarnas, they gonna say, we could have won three or four with Cooper. Mm-hmm. You know how this works, Ocho and Joe.

It's never good enough for the fans. No, never that. And if I'm Nico, if the owners have any inclination about getting rid of Cooper Flag, Nico need to step down. Cause I'm not falling on the sword again. I'm not falling on the sword again. So, far not falling on this sword again. So so I'll show y'all think Cooper flag and can help lead the Mavericks Maybe not his first year, but I think he's good enough in a couple years

Look only magic Johnson did that but magic Johnson had the MVP riding shotgun Kareem That's what I'm saying So how many years y'all expect for Kyrie and AD to stick around for? They gotta wait for him to develop as a- I think it's second year. I think it's second year, he'll be good. He's nice now, he's nice.

I know he's nice, but- Nice. Well, that's how we seen a rookie leader team to the playoffs. But here's the thing, but you do realize Kyrie probably ain't coming back to the top of the year. Kyrie ain't coming back to J-Wear 26

Joe? Yeah I forgot about that I forgot about it I'm coming by Kyrie injury. They can't let you know. So you get Kyrie so you got Klay, Flag, AD and Lively I like them. You still need some more pieces. Hey dude, I'm right here. They're gonna need some more. Go back to why the NBA. No, if you look at the top television markets,

New York, number one, LA, number two, Chicago, number three, Philly, number four, Dallas, Fort Worth. Oh, y'all don't watch TV in Miami. I'm sorry. It's too much going on. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you, you're right, but listen, I watch TV.

It's a lot of stuff going on. I don't be outside. I don't be outside. Not like that. Well, you didn't tell a lot more folks be like you and stay inside and watch TV. That's different. The things, when people come to Miami,

Uncle, you know, they're so. They come to do stuff. Yeah, they come to do stuff. I've been here all my life, man. Yes. You know, and I understand There's nothing out there. Depending on what you're looking for, it ain't outside. You know, so I have a great understanding.

But people need to come here and enjoy. This is a melting pot. For all ethnicities, for all cultures, anything you want to find is here in this city. Restaurants, food, clubs, you name it, you can find it here. Seattle and Phoenix are above Miami. Seattle, Phoenix. What, you talking about TV? Yeah.

Yeah, well, understandable. That's why they try to get a team back in Seattle. But we still the better city out of everybody, you name it. Now, regardless of what those TV ratings say, we talking about Miami. It sells itself. Yeah.

It sells its side. All them damn hurricanes and pop up thunderstorms. One thing about hurricanes is you know two weeks in advance. If you can't get your ass out of here with two weeks notice. What about I'm gonna do that pop up thunderstorm that they let me know five minutes beforehand? And we're two weeks notice. What about I'm gonna do that pop-up thunderstorm that they let me know five minutes beforehand?

Listen, if a pop-up thunderstorm is small, so you're gonna be all right. That's why I call it pop-up. That's why I call it pop-up. I'm out there in my nice linen. You know, I'm out there in my nice linen. They say I look like a plucked duck. I'm all done.

Hey, listen, if it's a pop-up thunderstorm, it's still 90 degrees. You all right? I know. I don't, hey, if it's a pop-up thunderstorm, it's still 90 degrees. All right. All right? I know. I don't, hey, now, hey, the rain come for 10 minutes and now the humidity goes up to 1,000. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Man, like you walking in a sauna. I know exactly what you talking about because I'm from Georgia. If we get up, I used to, hey, when it rain, we was outside, I'm doing manual, we working in tobacco, we doing whatever. And then that sun comes, I'm from Georgia and we get them. I used to hate when it rain we was outside. I'm doing manual We working in tobacco we doing whatever it didn't that song cuz I'm like Lord, please don't let it stop raining

Just let it rain for the next hour. Yeah, so we can knock off so the boss So mr. Joseph, all right, we gonna call it a day man. That thing rain for 10 15 minutes if we go back out there That's up. Hey, oh Joe I'm wishing when you drive boy, Miami is a that's up. Hey, old Joe. I wish you when you drive, boy. Miami is a special place, man. Oh, I told you. I told you, I've been here, Joe. You know, it ain't really, listen, the product sells itself. Joe, I ain't really gotta say nothing.

It's like Blue Magic, you know? You don't need to do nothing. You don't need to change the name of Blue Magic, you know? Hey, right now, you're boy on ice. Oh, okay, okay, I. Okay, I got you. No comment. No further comment. No further commentary will be added, but at a later date and time.

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