Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: 49ers fold, Nix and Payton dust-up, Christian Gonzales impresses

Episode Date: October 7, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocino” Johnson go off on the San Francisco 49ers and QB Brock Purdy’s crucial turnovers in 24-23 loss to Kyler Murray and the Arizona Cardinals. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Bo Nix and the Denver Broncos win over the Las Vegas Raiders and dive into the testy moment on the sidelines between Nix and HC Sean Payton, praise New England Patriots cornerback Christian Gonzales for being “the real deal” and much more!03:18 - Cardinals beat 49ers06:00 - Broncos beat Raiders18:05 - Rams lose to Packers21:35 - Bears beat Panthers26:10 - Dolphins beat Patriots28:48 - Q and Ayyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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the card was beat the 49ers 24 to 23 bro Brock Purdy was pressured by Jalen Thompson. Forces a bad throw that got intercepted by Kazir White. The 49ers scored zero points in the second half today, making it the first time in Brock Purdy's career as a starting quarterback that the team was shut out in the second half of the game. This team, Ocho doesn't look anything like the Juggernaut in 2023.

They're already 0-2 in the NFC West, 0-3 in the NFC. Without Christian McCaffrey, it was reasonable to expect the 49ers offense would take a step back. But the 49ers made six trips into the red zone. They only managed one touchdown. The Niners led the league in red zone efficiency last year.

Mesa, look, they ran the ball 26 times for a buck 50, for a buck 53. So they're getting five, they're getting six your almost six yards to carry Ocho But Brandon IU had his best day eight for 47 George. Yeah, eight for 64 Devo one for eleven, but they would look like they was going to put the game away Jordan Mason got it punched out, give Kyler credit. They drove the ball down the field and boom, that's what you got. Arizona rushed the ball 26 times for a buck 69. They only had two rushes, James Carter and Kyler Murray.

James Carter was 19 of 86. Kyler was seven for 83. You got to put that when you got a team down, they were dominating again. You got to win that game. You got to put them away. Brock Purdy, two turnovers at a key every time, every time, every single time. But when you get a team like you let them hang around, Oh Joe, you know, you let a team hang around, you let them hang around, Ocho, you know, you let a team

hang around, you let them hang around, eventually they find a way to beat you. And then you look, you wake up like, man, what happened? How did we lose that game? Well, we was in for the round. And that's what happened. But Kyler broke, when Kyler broke the pocket on that first touchdown run, he got to the right. Yeah, he put his hand in there. He got to the right. Yeah. Right.

He put his hand in there. He like, I'm going. I'm out of here. Hey, Kyler, Kyler Murray, when he running, he's he fast as hell. But I don't know why he's trying to get away from you or something. When it was young. Yeah. The Broncos Country baby, though

Don't do that. Oh Joe. Don't do that. First of all, if your team don't have at least three wins I don't want you to say foot or ball Okay, I'm just saying if your team do not have at least three wins, I don't want you to say foot or ball. The Broncos beat the Raiders 34 to 18 behind continuing improvement of their signal caller first win over the Raiders and almost a decade. Guess what? They had lost the previous that beat them since 2019. Despite the slow start, Bo Nicks outing as a pro 19 to 27, two Oh six, two touchdowns.

His first game with a hundred plus rating and first with multiple touchdowns. Bo Nicks also added a TD on the ground. He's just the second Broncos rookie with two past TDs and a rush TD in the game. Cameras call Bo Nicks and Sean Payton going at it on the sideline. Here's what Payton said about the incident after the game. It's part of the deal. Listen, last year, all of a sudden I was, it's just, there's still a little bit of Ferris Bueller in this player that we've got to get rid of.

All right. Talking about Bo and I love him to death. And so sometimes it's my love language. All right No, no, no, absolutely not Shawn Payton hardest quarterbacks. I don't know why I don't know why y'all face Sean Y'all thought Sean Payton's gonna change Sean Payton is hard on his quarterback. He could breathe hard Sean Payton is gonna change. Sean Payton is hard on his quarterback.

He coach Lou Reed hard. But hold on, huh? We talked about this before. We gotta remember, these grown ass men now. Yes. You got to watch how you talk to me. Bo Nicks, Bo Nicks without really saying it, without really saying it, but hold on, hold on Playboy.

Oh, there's a certain way you can address me and let me know that there's agree that you don't like I agree You know, it's a bo hat bo had to snap back and let him know like I know I'm a rookie but time out Yeah, especially that guy Especially that kind of setting or Joe. That's my cheese mo. There's a lot of test. I'm throwing on that sideline. Yeah. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, I get it. I get it. You can cut me. You can trade me. But I tell you, I thought before you do any of those two, don't do that.

Not I. Mm hmm. But you know what? You know what? I think I'm guaranteed Sean Payton was at the dinner table. He probably with the family, with the wife. It was like, you know what, baby? That guy damn bone next, He got some spunk. Yeah. Oh yeah.

I like him. I like that. Even with that exchange, some people, obviously people watching them fans, you know, all you can't be talking to your quarterback, can't be talking to him. That's a good thing. What you saw, that's a good thing.

And plus Bo been around, Bo Black, how he gotta be like 24, 80? Because hell, his first game starting was against the guy at the char at the L.A. Chargers, Justin Herbert. His first game starting as a freshman at Auburn. He started against Justin Herbert. Well, how long wait? So he he graduated late or he's a fifth year senior.

He transferred to Oregon. He was at Auburn for like two, three, three years wait so he he graduated late. Oh, he's a fifth-year senior. So he transferred to Oregon He was at Auburn for like two or three and then he transferred. Okay But he's playing he's playing well guys. Yeah laying well around him. The defense is playing much better Yeah, hey that goddamn pencil tame boy, you know Man Oh, yeah. Man. Oh man, hey, PS2, now he legit. He legit, he smooth, effortless.

But his dad was a corner. So maybe- Yeah, I played against his dad in 05. Yeah, I played. I think I played against him in 01. I think he was there. Cause 01. I think he was there. Cause I don't think he was there. Sam Madison, like in the 90s, it was Sam Madison and T-Buck.

No, hold on. No, no, it was both of them. Cause I played against Pat and no matter which side of the field I went to, it was Pat, it was Pat and goddamn Sam. Boy, you talking about a day, a day of talking shit? Oh, that was a good day. What year did Pat get to, we are?

And I caught Pat at the Chiefs, too. Oh, did you? Yeah, I caught Pat at the Chiefs, too. Yeah, I think in the playoff game, I think we played, I think it was Sam Madison, I don't know, he might have been. I don't know, he might have been. I don't know. He might've been. Pat senior might've been there,

but I know it was T-Buck and Sam Madison. T-Buck played at the Dolphins? Yeah. Yeah. What was that at the Dolphins? 98. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah.

Yeah. They're holding, jumping, OK. Yeah. Yeah, they're holding, holding, jumping, rock fans here. What a whole back there. They let you hold more than what they will now. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, hey. Oh, hey, hey, hey. Yeah. Remember, remember that game? I think they didn't change the rule

when Ty lost some with Ty Law and Marvin Harrison. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember the rules because before Ocho if the quarterback was looking your way, they let the DB hold it. It's out of you. Well, he wasn't looking away. You know why? Because he saw the quarterback saw him holding me. That's why he looked my way. If you do the right thing, he threw it. You know, I got a question. How do you think today's receivers, let's say the top receivers, how do you think they would do in our era of football?

They would have, the really good ones would adapt because right. See what they did that like the incidental contact is the five yard rule. See, they put the rule was always in place. Right. They just put an emphasis on calling it. See a lot of the rules that the NFL is, is, is that's, that's the, uh, they put what they call the emphasis on it. The rules been in place, but Ty, Ryan Marvin all the way down the field.

And they weren't calling it. They say, you know what? Now we're going to call it now. So the five yard incidental contact rule. Right. So, because before that rule was instituted for male blunt Male was six foot four by two. Oh five Physical male was the hell male was cuz they play shell coverage male was riding guys all the way down the field is throwing about a

Bounce. You can't do that So that's why they change. That's why they put that rule in for him because he was so physical Do you know what it takes for a cornerback to be a defensive player of the year? Mm hmm. I mean, think about it. They had like Joe green winning and then Jack Lambert winning and then male blunt would win it and then Joe green would win it again. How do you have like in a five year, six year span, you got four

defensive players of the year? That's crazy. Yes. Damn, did the whole defense went to the Hall of Fame. Safety of corner, two linebackers, D-line, your head coach, quarterback, both wide receivers, running back, center, the head coach, the owner. Bro.

They were loaded. But look, that's what Sean it looks Sean gonna be like that and you know, hey And plus when you young you a rookie old show, you know No, you I mean cuz he used to getting taught like that cuz that's like coaches coaching college Mm-hmm coaches coaching college. They talk like that. They cursing and yelling and screaming And so I don't think that's out of the norm for him to have Sean Payton in his ear like that. But I, you know, my high school coach didn't really curse. Coach Hall was my high school coach,

but he coached my mom and all my uncles. He didn't really curse. Coach Davis didn't curse at me like that. Now Dan, I said, man, I sure hope you get me some tenure. That's the one, cause that's the one thing, Ocho, I didn't want to mess up. Cause Dan would curse, he mofo and all that other stuff. That's just.

Right, right, right. Man, I never forget Ocho. The only time that I can honestly say, I think Dan got upset at me and I didn't even do anything. Ocho, we was in the huddle. And you know how like, cause back then we lined up in the huddle different. Like I was like in the back.

I wasn't like in the Broncos office, I was right across from John. So John would be like this and I'm looking in eye to eye. But in the Broncos huddle, I was in the huddle in the back. And so they called a plate. And so as I'm going up like this here, I look and I guess he thought I was looking in the stands, the pad, the fan, the training camp. And he's like, shadow, there ain't nobody in the F in stands that's going to help you

make this team. And I'm like, coach, I wasn't, I don't want to hear it. Okay, boy. This old man don't know how bad I would have tear his ass off right now. But let me go ahead. Let me go ahead and swallow my pride. Yeah, but I went to him at the practice. Coach, I wasn't looking at him in those stands. I wasn't.

I said, coach, did you just happen, like when I just raised my head and I just looked, I wasn't looking in the stand, looking in the stands for what? Right. He's like, well, you know, he apologized. He apologized and said, I'm sorry, you know, maybe I overreacted, but I just want, you know,

I just see so much in you. Right. You know, cause he was always, you know, and when he passed away, his wife called and asked what I speak at his funeral. I was I was his only I was the only player Dan coached all those years. I was the only player that spoke just going to show you what he actually thought of me and what he had relayed to his family what he thought of me. Right. And I was like, I was like, ma'am, are you sure? She's like, Shannon, he thought the world of you. I was like, man, I couldn't tell.

That's what I want to tell Hojo. That's the way he used to curse me out. God dang it, Shannon. He didn't say dang it. Y'all trust me, he didn't say dang it. You mean cursing, huh? What? Man, anybody know the Broncos that's, back then with Dan, he would turn fire engine red

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Ocho, the Packers go on the road, beat the Rams 24-19. How many interceptions will Xavier McKinney? I remember saying Xavier McKinney has skillsets that was, I mean, the way he can anticipate and get a jump on the ball, it reminds you a lot of Ed Reed,

because he had anticipatory skills was second to none. McKinney has those same kinds of skill to be able to jump like anticipate, and he got great hands. Cause at the end of the day, we see a lot of guys, DBS, knock the ball down, bro. Catch it. Yeah. Catch the ball. And he ain't missing at this pace. He would break the NFL single season record of 14. The record is held by Dick Knight, train lane in his rookie season,

had 14 with the Detroit lions. Nobody has ever come close to that record since. There've been a lot of 10s. I think Stefan Diggs had 11 one year, didn't he? Cause every, Trayvon, I know champ Bailey had 10 one year. Everett Zewals had 10, his rookie year, if I'm not mistaken in 1981. Damn.

Yeah. Today made him just the third player since 1940 to record an interception in each of his team's first five games with a new team. On the series before, McKinney also recovered a fumble. The Packers have 14 takeaways, which is the most by any team through five games since the Bills had 15 in 2021.

Diggs did? Yeah, digs had 11 on Joe. Yeah. But the Packers going to roll the Packers, Jordan Love, 15 to 26 to also love the start stop for it off that back foot. He had a guy wide open for a touchdown and under because he threw it off his back foot Yeah, you know, you know that you know the mechanics and managerism come from huh, Aaron Yeah, yes, same same same thing Same mechanics same same arm angles. Yep, same everything If you go back to the basics, that's us touchdown earlier. Yes. Yes

Yes, you step into that that's six. Oh, so he got it by three steps Mm-hmm. He got him by three step. I hate that I want to get a much needed victory there three and two now and the Rams fall to one and four to get a much needed victory. There are three and two now, and the Rams fall to one and four. Packers run the ball for 30 attempts for 126. Jordan Love has 15 of 26 to 24. Matthew Stafford was 29 of 45, 261 touchdown,

one of the reception. And they ran the ball 28 rushes, 134 Tyron Williams, 22 for a buck oh two. Hell, I thought the Rams was going to do it. I thought they were going to come back and pull it off. Oh, I didn't believe in the Rams. I mean, I didn't even though they had a chance, even though they had an opportunity.

Right. Listen, when you have no cupica, when you have no goddamn cupica, they got my dog Tutu. Tutu playing well, Whittington playing got my dog, Tutu. Tutu playing well. Winnick's playing well. Yeah, Tutu playing real well. But it's not enough firepower.

It's not enough. It's not enough firepower. It's not enough. Not to compete at the level that you want to. Not to compete at the level that you're used to. It's different. Yep. Packers win 24 19. The Bears beat the Panthers.

Hey, you can now. It's OK to bring in today. Hello. Yeah. Dave can now list through Bryce Young back in the game with 415 remaining and Bryce took his first map in the game since being benched after or two. Oh, so you mean to tell me the quarterback situation that don't change anything, huh? Huh?

On the first play, he brought time and scrambled five miles, sanded open for a 27-yard game. Kanellis did a fantastic job who said Andy Dogg will remain the starter for next week against the Falcons. After the game, Bryce Young asked if the current situation led a fire up in the air.

Here's what he had to say about that. Come on, talk to me. I'm not someone who's really externally motivated. You know, I draw my motivation from inside, so I'm a good, badder, and different. I don't want anything to dictate if I'm motivated, if I care, if I am driven. No matter how things are going, that's always going to stay the same. What do you think, Ocho?

Politically correct. He's saying all the right things, but maybe that is just him though. You can tell from his, you know, his manner, the way the way he carries himself. That's just him. Huh? That's his personality. Yeah, I see. I can see. I can see who do real soft spoken, real soft spoken.

It just, you know, I think I think he's gonna get it. He's gonna get the opportunity again. Yeah. I just, I just hope his confidence is, is, is at whenever that opportunity presents itself, that he's ready mentally, you know? And I think it's probably, it might be with the Panthers or if it's, if it's elsewhere, I hope he's ready.

Well, until they get some weapons, they're like, don't put me back in there because I ain't gonna look no better because Andy Dalton, look, get some weapons, they're like, don't put me back in there because I ain't gonna look no better because they ended up look, look at Andy, look at Andy, don't know what those weapons and they're all, Oh, Andy, don't look at any dog. We got a large enough sample size to know what Andy dog meals large enough. Plenty large. I don't care who quarterbacking ain't nobody. Look, you better be paid manning or Tom Brady to make, make this these receivers look

good. Yeah. I mean, listen, I think they got, they got some nice, they got, I mean, they got, they got some boys over there. Now, once they get Adam Thielin, once they get Adam Thielin back, they got Xavier Leggett, they got Mingo, you know, they got, they got Deontay Johnson. They got some nice, you know, some nice little pieces. They just got to put that together.

They got, they got to put it together. And then we have, when you have, when you have question marks that a quarterback position, that means the receiver position and the tight ends have to be that much better than the quarterback. And that's why that's why he doesn't stand a chance because they're not. They're not that much better. That's not nice. He ain't throwing the Kelsey and Laporta and Kittle and guys like that. He's not throwing the Justin Jefferson and Chase and guys like that. Even if you want to go, even if you take those top ten guys out and go to the next year

What what guy if I give you if I give you how many receivers you're gonna go to before you take Deontay Johnson? You leg it I get it. He's a rookie But how many receivers and tight ends are you gonna go through before you pick one off the Carolina roster? Mm-hmm a bunch That's rude it is the truth though Rookies Look at what CJ was throwing to He had Nico tank Dale Noah Brown as well. He had Dalton Schultz He had nice feet which one of those guys are better than any of the guys that I named?

On the Panthers? Yeah. Which one of those guys is better than Nico Collins? Better than Tank Dale? Better than Dalton Schultz? Better than hell, Noah Brown. Comparison is the thief of joy. Yeah. And they stealing all the joy from Bryce Young cause they ain't doing ish. I'm glad you brought that up. The dolphins grind out an ugly win over the Patriots.

Jalean Paul with an insane touchdown grab to take the lead, but it was overturned. The play was overturned. This was the first time the Dolphins have won a game on the road against the Patriots, despite allowing 150 plus yards rushing in the game. Hey. Yeah. I'm glad Tyler Huntley got this win, bro. I'm glad. I'm glad we had we had Odell came back.

Odell came back today. Tyreek. I know Tyreek might might be a little frustrated. You know, the numbers are not showing what they should be for the type of receiver. He is same thing with Waddle. I mean, I don't, I don't, I wonder how much that playbook has shrunk. Since you got to, huh? It's got to. Yeah, I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I'm just, I just, it's weird to see the dolphin struggling like this and then seeing them last year, man, it's about every week it was something different. It was an aerial assault every week.

Yeah, but you had two of them. Every week. Damn. I mean, you know. They pulled it off though. Yeah, they did, they did. Hey, that goddamn Christian, is it Christian Gonzalez? Yeah.

Hey, boy, hey. Uh-uh, no, I tried to tell you. That's the one that. Boy, he the real deal, boy. You saw. Hey, he the real deal. You saw what he did week one, right? Had him locked up, wouldn't let him out. Who did play week one?

Oh, tell him play us now. Nah, that didn't have to to work it didn't fail. You don't play somebody that's not you the vision twice. Yeah yeah tell him play us now and watch what happened to him. Listen he nice I just just watching him throughout the game watching him on Tyreek watching him on some other players he nice with it always in position. I told you I watched him a little bit last year. I didn't know a whole lot about it, but watch out. Oh, no, no, no, no, he can play. Yeah, I know.

He can play. He's nice. He technically sound he physical. Yeah, yeah. He's not running around. He's not afraid to challenge a lot of guys afraid to challenge. Right. He'd be able to challenge. A lot of guys afraid to challenge. Right. He'd be up there, put hands on him.

Yeah, he one of those 5% us, you know? Yeah. That play to make a play, not like that 95% that play not to get beat. There's a difference. You're right. You're absolutely right. It's time for Q and A.

Let me use the restaurant real quick. Uh, is there anything that we missed tonight that you'd like for us to like hit? We might not hit it tonight because I got to go to bed, but we'll definitely hit it tomorrow night. Bobby Jackson Jr. from Alabama. Bro, I appreciate the merch perch. Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. Thank you for supporting Nightcap. It means a lot to us.

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Hey, no, you're delusional. You're delusional. And we going to the playoffs. What you talking about? You saw what we did today. You see how that offense looks today. Listen, don't do that. Don't do that.

Who was that? What was his name? What was the name? What was the name? Tim Lee. Okay, Tim Lee, you'll see, you'll see now we play the giants next. We're going to beat the giants. Then we play the Browns. We're going to beat the Browns. I'm not sure what the schedule is after that, but we're going to be right. And we make the playoffs. I'm going to make sure Tim Lee, I'm going to remember you.

I'm going to remember you. And when the Bengals make the playoffs and get up out of this hole and rise from the ashes like the goddamn Undertaker, you make the playoffs, I'm going to find you. You mean like a Phoenix? I'm going to find you. You mean like a Phoenix? What's a Phoenix?

That's what rise from the ashes. Well, I was trying to insinuate how the Undertaker comes about the grave or he like. Oh, he stood up in the middle of the ring when he was like, and he stood up. Yeah, and he sits up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you keep, you know what I heard? I heard you say about the offense. I hear you mentioned nothing about that defense. Oh, listen, our, our, our team, our identity is the offense. Now, Lou,

Our team, our identity is the offense. Now, Lou, Lou is going to do what he needs to do to make sure we play good enough. Good enough for all. Huh? We. I mean, listen, that's that's why we practice. I mean, you do realize you gave up 41 to the Ravens. You gave up 33, 36 the week before to the commanders. You gave up 41 to the Ravens. You gave up 33, 36 the week before to the commanders. We took out Lamar Jackson and Jayden Daniels.

Two of the most efficient quarterbacks in NFL right now. Y'all got beat by Jacoba Brissette too. Oh, that was week one. You know, week one don't count. It's a toss up. Anybody who in week one. Who beat them week one don't count. It's a toss up. Anybody going to be one. We'll be able to tell you what happened the third week. Okay. The city.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Again, we should have won. Matter of fact, our record, our record does not state how good our team is. They are looking at you. Look at us play today. And you look at our record. That's not who we are. It's not. It's's not who we are. It's not it's just not Tim Lee. I'm fine. You may say I'm a little bit on Twitter right now, so I could talk shit. Don't come on. Come on. I don't come on. I should talk about

that attack. Bingo's versus the Ravens. Ravens scored a touchdown to score 3835. Bingles for minutes on the clock. Bingles get the ball back and we are passing. Why? Oh Joe, why did they pass the ball? Oh Joe.

Wait, we're passing. We didn't pass. What was he talking about? Overtime? No, it regulation. He threw a pick because he said, you, why didn't you run the ball instead of throwing, then you would take some time off the clock and then you wouldn't throw the interception.

Marlon Humphrey made an unbelievable play. Whoa, wait, time out. I'm so glad, oh hell no. I'm so glad you just mentioned that. Two by two, two by two, when Chase is on the outside and the tight end is right there, watching film, two things are coming. Well, the main thing is coming based on down and distance and the situation,

the goddamn slant on the slant is coming. Humphrey knows that he pressing. If I'm Joe in that case, in that scenario, you know what I'm doing? What? Two by two, a few years ago in 2021 the same same concept same route this time Marlon Humphrey was off He ran a slant that's another game that the game with chase had maybe 200 some yards We took that we took the slant route to the house. Yeah This this time. Oh, boom. Marlon Humphrey.

Boom. My antenna is up. Tighten on this side. Oh, my it might have been. That might have been Yoshi either way. Yeah. He knew he knew he knew the alignment. You know what? I'm going to play man. I'm going to go up there and press.

The slant is coming. Joe should have looked at him. Gave him some gave him some. I'm not sure if Joe can go off script. Of course he can. I don't know if Joe has the ability to say, you know what? Oh, he playing press. Okay. Bet. Give that I give him that pump.

Some, some that some, you know, me and Carson had that if a dude come up there and press, cause they were only, there was only so many times I got man to man just bumping around out of the blue with the safety in the middle of the field anytime we got that whitehead Carson with that uh just to getting the notice the safety's in the middle of fear and buddy bumping and ain't no help come on now don't do that now I think I stuff like that I don't know if Joe and then chase had the freedom to do that and improv, I think I, stuff like that. I don't know if Joe and Chase had the freedom to do that and improvise offensively, but listen,

you gotta know the person on the other side of the ball is getting paid as well. He knows. If you know he, you got to play a thinker's man's game in that scenario, but the pick, you right. You get me, it's, ah. But give Hunt credit. He read it, it's not enough to read it, Ocho. He came, but the pick you write you get me is ah, but give him credit He read it is not it's not enough to read it. Oh Joe

He came down with the pick because they could have easily incomplete a lot of DB they're making that play right right He not he made that play That's what's so impressive about it like Malcolm Butler How many times we see a guy get a great jump on the ball and the next thing we know we see him staring at The hand cuz the ball don't hit the turn Hey guy makes a mistake making pay the ultimate price Hey That's that's film too long

Oh, I've seen this before I've seen this before and then you know, I'm sure chase based on alignment I've seen this before and then you know, I'm sure chase based on alignment Based on formation based on down the distance. Yeah. Oh, yeah I know what's coming because if you think about the Ocho the play that he scored on was a three by one Yeah, all they did was flip before all they did was slippery to take one the guy put him on the other side They were still trying to get a rub where he comes up underneath But huh like was there and beat him to the punch. Punch, yeah.

He fought hard and beat him. Joe throwing it on anticipation, back foot hit, I'm gonna let it go, cause I don't wanna clutch it, I don't wanna hold it. And Hump made a hell of a play. Nelly Bailey said, Burrow in two years, elite quarterback or highest paid Calvin Klein model.

Damn. Hey, who is that? So who? Mary Belli. Who? Nelly Belly. Hey, Nelly Belly, don't do that. Don't do that. Because statistically, that quarterback, that Calvin Klein model you talk about with the blonde hair that looked like he was a part of N.

Singh back in the day. He statistically at the top of the league, almost category. Now what he did, he changed his hair cause he didn't want to be big Macaulay Culkin. He changed the hair color. Man Joe, Joe be all that Joe now Joe be dressing now. Brandon Martinez. Don't cry. Oh Joe switch to the Cowboys. Brandon Martinez, don't cry Ocho, switch to the Cowboys. Oh no, who?

There it is. I know you're a Cowboy fan. Listen, I'm a fan of the Cowboy players. The players. Doc, Dr. Frank L. Bellamy, victory tastes sweeter in blue and silver. Yeah, we still them boys are making noise. Doc.

There we go, don't do that Stop, you know how it's going in I But I know you can't help it. It's like the it's like the moth to the flame It can't help it. He knows what's gonna happen. But the attraction is just so great I get it doc. You probably better cow a cowboy fan ever since you were a little, little bitty girl. You're right, right, right. And you've been disappointed just that much. That's funny.

MJBissette93 said, nobody got time to rebuild Justin Fields as a starter, especially if you're trying to make the playoffs. He gonna have to get better, Ocho. Oh, you talking about Justin? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think, listen, they were three and oh,

they're three and two now, right? They're the only ones that lost the game. Yeah, I think they'll be fine, but I think they have to open up the playbook for them a little bit more. You have no choice, you gotta open up, because now what's happening is now you got film on you. Now they got film on you now.

So boom, what's the first thing you got to do? Based on what you see on film, we got to add a little bit more. We got to add some sprinkles. Then you gotta add the cherry on top. But you run your base stuff that he does well. You run that, you always stick to that. But you gotta add a little bit more at some point

To show teams thing that they haven't seen yet. That's not on film Oh Joe, the problem is is that when they gave him Liberty he turnover prone He did a great job to get the ball back He had he had a turnover Oh Joe remember and somehow he came up and I don't know what the hell Mike McCarthy was doing Challenging it you see Justin Fields get out of the pile. He got the ball. Oh, yeah, you challenge it for what I Think he just wanted like, you know what? I want to see myself on the jumbotron. Let me make this challenge cuz I know they're gonna show me Yeah, that's me making another bonehead challenge Ocho the thing is I agree But feels is not

Careful with the football as a matter of fact, he's careless Listen, wait a minute. I'm not the first three games. He hadn't turned the ball over at all. Oh, Joe But what did I turn it over? But see if as long as you can play on your terms Which means I got a lead right? But when they put him in a situation where just like last week against the The Colts Mm-hmm put him in a situation Where now you got a throw and you can't run?

But if you try I I don't know, Ocho. I mean, I root for the kids, but it's just hard because the thing is like, when you get a quarterback, Ocho, and you're like, man, it's gonna take a while. Bro, I might not even be here. I ain't got that while. Bro, I'm 31. They're probably looking to get me up outta here.

Uh-huh. I'm trying. They're probably looking to get me up out of here. Uh huh. I'm trying to win right now. Y'all talking about, oh, we building something. Bro, I might not ever see it. JTT, do you think Jayden Daniels is on place for the MVP? Yeah, he's absolutely in the running, Ocho. I think you're right. There's only been one rookie that's one MVP. That was Jim Brown.

Jim Brown, one rookie of the year. And he also won MVP in the same season. It doesn't happen often. Yeah, it doesn't. Um, I think Fred Lynn did it in baseball. I don't, I can't think of anybody off the top of my head that's done it in basketball, wilt would have been the probably the best guess, but I don't think we'll get it, but I don't think we'll

get it. So I don't think it's ever been done in basketball, uh, football. I don't know if it's ever been done in hockey. I don't really follow hockey that closely. So, but I mean, listen, it's still, it's still early rolling in October, but if he can keep up this, this kind of pace and consistency, there are going to be some ups and downs. There are going to be some ups and downs for him. And they're going to have other quarterbacks

that are going to have a resurgence. You know, the other quarterbacks are going to have a resurgence probably sometime in November and December. So you never know. Rookie of the Year? I mean MVP? It can consistently be the way, and play the way he's playing now, all the way through.

He definitely got a chance to win MVP the way he's playing now. Wow. All the way through. He definitely got a chance to win MVP and rookie of the year. Yeah. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liars Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life. The referee, the coach, the expert.

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Candace did in WNBA. Will did it. Wes Umsel did it. And, uh, like I said, uh, Jim Brown did it. And I think Fred Lynn did it in baseball. But you got to be sensational. And, but he's having an unbelievable season on Joe and they're winning. Is one thing to put up stats is another thing to put up stats in a winning effort Yeah, that's what that's what makes them so impressive Yvette Ramos listening to nightcap on our honeymoon. Love you uncle no Joe and Keith. Hey, thank you guys Hey, what y'all about to do when y'all get off stop listen to us, which I go do What y'all about to do when y'all get off stop listening to us? Which are gonna do?

You man, thank you so much. I really appreciate that key. Thank you, bro Appreciate y'all support. That means a lot to us We know it's the wee hours of the morning and we greatly greatly appreciate everybody that stayed up to watch lady Ray said Oh lady ray you still up? How about my bike is being five oh, beating the Jets. Not saying what. Oh Joe, you chose the wrong, you chose wrong again. So Karma got your bingles, Skoll Vikings. I chose wrong?

Yeah, you picked the Jets to beat the Vikings. I did? Yeah, you did. And that's what happened last week. Oh no, oh, I just said, I said Aaron Rodgers plays well against the Jets. So I was,. Oh, I just said, I said Aaron Rogers plays well against the jets. So I was, I was, I was thinking.

Aaron Rogers played well against the Vikings. Oh, I mean, yeah. Aaron Rogers plays well against the Vikings. So I was thinking we're going to see the Aaron Rogers of old but he played just opposite. He played just opposite. It was probably because of the flight though. Oh, that's what it was?

Yeah, the flight, the flight, Little jet lag. Little jet lag. Uh, yo folks, just wanted to say I got my power back today. Still recovering from the storm here in Georgia. Hope everyone is okay. Yeah, my sister just got her power, just got the power back, uh, Friday. She ain't wanted, you know, she ain't wanted to like, I said, well, why don't you go to Atlanta? Well, you know, Shannon, I ain't, I ain't want us like, I said, well, why don't you go to Atlanta? Well, you know, Shannon, I, I ain't want to lead old piece of house. Then you want to lead the piece of house. Yeah. She got no power.

She got no cell service. And she stayed. Just vibing. See, see how about family? See my sister. Hey, I bet she has some candles though What else you gonna do what she ain't Lincoln what the hell candles gonna do what Oh Joe you got no power you got no cell service

You know you but you're right. She probably was in that Bible. Ain't no question about it. She was in the Bible. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Serial P said, which wide receiver would you build your team around? Megatron, Jerry, Randy or Tio? Oh shoot, well, you can't go wrong either way. And you get, you take those four you just named, right?

You put them in your prime and I'm gonna just come and just go based off preference, I mean You can build it Damn boy, that's a that's a hard one too. Are you picking? Jerry Yeah, cuz cuz the thing is with Jerry is that Jerry played 20 season. Just think about this old Joe. Jerry played 20 seasons. Uh huh.

He missed 15. I think he missed like 15 games because he tore his ACL the first game of the season. I think that was 96. Wasn't that 96? No, that was 97. 97 Jerry towards ACL. He tore it during the season. He came back and played against us and called a couple touchdowns

mmm 97 so think about how many yards he would have had So you're gonna add another another thousand to the twenty two thousand five hundred yards. He got receiving right and another another 90 catches to the 1500 catches that he got. And another 10 touchdowns. So ain't nobody can't, ain't no receiver getting that touchdown record, Ocho. He got 198 receiving touchdowns. Who's breaking that record, Ocho? Ain't nobody. The man got 208 total touchdowns.

Let that sink in. 200, he had a thousand yards receiving at 40. 40. Four, zero. All right, listen. Man, pick this. Dimop is unheard of. Man, people.

They might be. Unheard of. So I just 17. Each year old each year old in 2001, he beat Jason G. I'm beginning. Each year old, each year old from the from the Mariners. Yeah, each year old. I remember him.

Because he broke, did he broke a did he who broke record he broke for singles? He break your sister's record. Most singles. Most what might have been most hits of the season. Sajid 17 said, what's up? I'm going to note you. I'm a diehard Jaguars fan. What do you think of Trevor and Brian Thomas's performance? Brian Thomas was playing unbelievable. I think he has like 45.

I think he has like 45 yards receiving in every game this season. He's the only rookie to put up those type of numbers. Yeah, Brian Thomas is really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really good. What's the most hits in the season? Yeah, Trevor, Trevor played well today. He needed to, because Joe Flacco wasn't bull driving. Joe, hey, that one thing about Joe, he can still slay that old Joe.

You better pressure it. Joe go from team to team, and you think he was a starting quarterback He broke George No, not in 2001, but what's this one had to record right to fit yourself. Okay. Oh John I hate I don't I don't like doing this. It's not right that you know what? Actually give me the evil eye What happened cuz I got something right That concludes this episode of nightcap guys, thank you for joining us

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It's because of you guys that you make me realize that you know what, there's a lot of chatter out out there we got a lot of noise on one side of you know he this and he that but when I see you guys show up in the chat at three o'clock in the morning and you're 25 30 40 thousand strong it lets me know I got way more love and adoration that I do hate and that's what keeps us going so we appreciate that Ocho and I, really appreciate your love and support. The Cowboys beat the Steelers 20 to 17. The Ravens beat the Bengals in overtime 41 to 38.

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