Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Arch Manning dazzles, Brandon Aiyuk's tantrum, Karl-Anthony Towns traded

Episode Date: September 29, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Arch Manning and the Texas Longhorns 35-13 win in their SEC debut. Later, Unc and Ocho dive into Brandon Aiyuk's tantrum and how he needs to perform, the shocking NBA news of Karl-Anthony Towns being traded to the New York Knicks and much more!03:18 - Arch Manning    11:27 - Kentucky beats Ole Miss                        14:53 - Miami-VA Tech16:36 - Brandon Aiyuk26:40 - KAT time in MN is over32:00 - Q and Aye(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Conference game as an SEC member Texas was favored by more than five touchdowns a kickoff But struggled to get going against the Bulldogs, but a 49 yard touchdown pass from Manning to DeAndre Moore, Jr. And Excuse me in the final minutes of the first half at a 75 yard touchdown drive Manny Excuse me. In the final minutes of the first half, uh, at a 75 yard touchdown drive, Manny finished off with his leg in the third quarter to create some separation for the number one team in the country. Hey, guess what? Texas plays next week. They play OU and the red rebel rivalry. I got it. So they got a bye week. They're off the next week. Okay. Okay.

So the, the following week, so after the bye week, they got the red. Yep. Yep. Yep. So they got a bye week. They're off the next week. Okay. Okay. So the, the following week, so after the bye week, they got the red, the Bible. Yep. Yep. Yep. So I, so does that mean that this is a good question? Will Quinn errors be back game or will Arch Manning be planted? If, if Arch Manning is playing, do you trust me to get the job done against OU based on how he's played the past two weeks? Are you playing unbelievable? He's playing unbelievable. Um, look, I don't, I don't know how it works in college. Arch is playing really

well. But the question is, and I've always said this is where I look at it, when people say, well, you can't lose your job to injury. Yeah, you can. Because if you get injured and the guy comes in and he's playing better than you before you got injured, that's his job now. Oh yeah. So the question is, is Arch Manny playing better than when yours was before you got hurt, Coach O? That's a good question.

That's a hard decision too. It is. Especially for the coaches. Yes. Especially for the coaches. I mean, listen, I think you really can't go wrong either way. I think Quinn is a senior, isn't he? Quinn is, yes.

And he came back. And you know that would greatly, greatly impact this draft stop. Right. He's not just exactly. That's why I think when he does come back and he's healthy, I think they will put him back in simply because he is a senior. Hell, little brother Manning, he's going to be here. He's going to be here for another year, maybe two. So let Quinn finish his year out. And so it doesn't mess up in draft stock. But I'm excited.

I'm excited. Now that you've explained it to me, I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm excited. So let Quinn finish this year out. And so it doesn't mess up in draft stock. But I'm excited. I'm excited. Now that you've explained it to me, I have a better understanding on these atmospheres

that I would love to go to one of these so I can experience it. But that red round. Is it that Cotton Bowl is at Jerry Whirl? Probably at Jerry's Whirl. It's normally at the Cotton Bowl. Because Arkansas and Texas A&M played at Jerry Whirl. Probably Jerry's normally the cotton ball. Because Arkansas and Texas and then played at Jerry Whirl today. But, you know, Jerry went to Arkansas. So, yeah, he's at the cotton ball.

And that's where they have the Texas State Fair. Oh, Joe, you have they fried butter. They fry Snickers. They find Twinkies. They fry everything. My daughter, my daughter hit me. She was there. She was at the Texas fair. You know, she had PV. So I guess they drove down and stopped them. They must have drove down there.

But I mean. Amen, that's dope, man, I can't. God, it'd be great for us to attend something like that, Ocho. And we were. But here's the thing that would that would have to be our show during the course of the course of the day because we couldn't do the show Have you know doing it, you know doing that and then turn around and do the show? Why we came? Well, I do the first part you and rail and you and somebody take over the second part

Yeah, we're real real real in the real in this chat. What's up? What what they do, baby? What they do twin? Yeah, whatever, whatever they be doing on TV, whatever it is that they're right. Hearts, hearts. Yeah, it's I mean, it's a very difficult decision. Somebody was in the chat, say, well, Alex Smith and and Cap took over the question. I asked simple question.

Yeah, was Cap when Cap got in, was he playing better than Alex Smith before Alex Smith got hurt? And he was. So it was an easy decision. The same thing. Tom Brady was playing better because remember the first year Drew Bledsoe started, they were five and eleven and they didn't start off on the best the best second season. So Tom comes in. It was an easy decision for Coach Belichick because

he was playing better than Drew Bledsoe before Drew got hurt. Imagine what if Drew didn't get hurt? I wonder how that story would have gone. There's a chance we not. The question is, because you got to realize like two years earlier, Drew has signed the most expensive contract in NFL history over a hundred million dollars. Do you bench a hundred million dollar quarterback for six rounds draft pick? Not anybody could have. I mean, I don't know if coach Belichick could have done it because he was on thin ice, his day himself.

So, you know, think about it. You, you go five and 11, uh, didn't start to get off to the best start. Are you going to pull him? There's a great chance if it doesn't get turned around, he's gone. He might not be able to finish out the season. Shoot, Tom saved everybody's job. Tom saved the franchise. He saved Bill's job.

No, he got a lot of guys. He got a lot of guys that head coach a jobs that probably should have never been head coaches. Oh yeah, most definitely, most definitely. Everybody that came from that Belatech tree, they got opportunity. Great players do that. Same thing with Favre. Look at all the guys that got jobs

because they touched Brett Favre. Ray Lewis, look at all the defensive coordinators that got head coaching jobs. Hey, Marvin got a head job. Jack Garreo got. That, hey, Marvin got a head job. Jack Garreo got a head job. Mike Smith got a head job. Hold up, Rex Ryan got a head job. Mike Nolan got a head job.

Rex's brother name with the long hair? Rob. Yeah, Rob Ryan, Rob Ryan. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, who else got a head job? Five. So five guys got a head job that they coached Ray. They were DCs or they were position coaches with Ray on the team. Five guys got a head job. Coach Belich, look at Tom Brady. Charlie White's got a head job. Romeo Cornell got a head job Josh McDaniel got a head job. Romeo Cornell got a head job

What's the guy uh The guy that uh, Joe Judge Hell he's coach special team. He just happened to be he might have been Tom Brady's neighbor. It got a damn head job He just happened to be he might have been Tom Brady's neighbor. It got a damn job. But I do that. Look at me, I mean, how that work, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Steve Maruti,

Andy Reed, John Gruden. Yeah. Dick Geron, all the all those guys was on that staff. We're bright within Green Bay, the great players. Hey, but it was, uh, it was, it was, uh, it's tough. That's a tough decision that starts. You're going to have to make. Yeah. Um, I believe, I believe he goes back to yours.

If yours is healthy, I don't think it's that tough though. Simply because of yours being a C you, yours being a senior, I is healthy. I don't think it's that tough though. I'm simply because of yours being a C you yours being a senior. I don't, I don't. He came back to increase his drought stock. Oh Joe. Yeah. That's, that's why I said it's the easy decision.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Put him in. That's what it's easy decision. And that's what it was. Oh yeah. Ray, Ray Rose, Ray Ray was with me and devil Ray Bob.

Uh, anybody that had Ray Ray was with me and Deborah Ray Bob. Uh. Anybody had any affiliation with Brady Ray farm got jobs. Oh, yeah. He'll the mailman got a job here in college. We came here coach of college. Kentucky pulls off a shocking upset after almost upsetting Georgia last week. This week, they complete the task.

They upset number five Ole Miss after losing by 25 points to South Carolina, losing 1312 to Georgia in two weeks. Kentucky pulled off one of the most shocking upsets in the opening month. Trailing 1713 with about five minutes to left, left Wildcats went on an 83 yard six play drive to take the lead and then made a big defensive stand to force the Rebels into a field goal or 48 yard field goal that is and they missed it with under a minute to go with Vanderbilt Florida Auburn up next Kentucky could find themselves in the top 25 before hosting the Vols in October. Yeah.

Hey, matter of fact, hold on, hold on. Cause damn, it's all they were number five, man. They had Georgia. Remember they didn't go forward on fourth down to had Georgia beat. They could have been Georgia. That's right. Yes. So you think, you think in Georgia, just that bad this year? Look, they're getting up to, they're getting up to slow Georgia. That's right. Yes. So you think you think in Georgia just that bad this year?

Look, they're getting up. They're getting up to slow starts. And you know, you can't keep spotting teams. I mean, think about they spotted they spotted they spotted Alabama 28. And came back, it just goes to show you just how good they are. Right, right, right. I mean, I don't think there's a whole lot of teams that could spot Alabama 28 and come back to take the lead with under two minutes, with under three, four minutes to go in the ball game. I got a question though. Yes. Oh, Matt Patricia got a head job too. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Matt, Matt, he was with Detroit. Yeah. Good and terrible. And you think, you think is a quarterback play in Georgia? You think it's bad?

I think he's good. I think if Shadour Sanders was in Georgia, they would lose the game. That'd be nasty. It's hard to evaluate a guy when he's surrounded by such great talent. Right. And I think that was the hardest thing, One of the hardest evals on Joe Burrow because Joe Burrow had like a fourth or fifth ground grade. And then the next year he, he puts up these historic numbers and he's like, well damn, he got Chase, he got Jefferson,

he got the best offensive line in football. He got Clyde. It was a layer. He had a, a fan Moss who was a very good tight end. He a Mars chair. I think Terrence Marshall. So it was hard now. He's shown that the eval You looked at him. You says okay, blah blah blah He's proven that yeah, he was worthy of that pick but it's hard. Oh Joe when you have a guy And he's surrounded by four and five stars. Yeah, because you got to do a lot. You got to do a lot. You know, think about it. If you don't turn the ball, think about it.

If you don't turn the ball over four times, I'll tell you. He ain't nobody else. He thinks of the fumble. Bang. I know one thing. Go ahead. Bangos, we going to the playoffs. I just want to throw that at them. Even though we own three, I just want to throw that at them.

Okay. Oh, yeah. Oh, Joe, college football. I'm a fan of your game. I'm a fan of your game. I'm a fan of your game. I'm a fan of your game. I'm a fan of your game.

I'm a fan of your game. I'm a fan of your game. I'm a fan of your game. I'm a fan of your game. I'm a fan of your game. I'm a fan of your game. I'm a fan of your game. I'm a fan of your game. I'm a fan of your game. I'm a fan of your game. I'm a fan of your game. I'm a fan of your down. Okay. Mm hmm. Oh, yeah. Oh, Joe, college football

had another wild and exciting but controversial finish Friday night. There's a seventh ranked Miami Hurricanes escaped with a 3834 victory would win over rival Virginia Tech. It ended with the officials reversing a call on the field. They rooted the touchdown catch on a hail Mary in the back of the end zone. The ACC later released a statement to reporters nearly two hours after the game to clarify the decision making process. During the review of the process of the last play, it was determined the loose ball was touched by a Miami player while out of bounds,

which makes it an incomplete pass immediately and ends the play. But what were the referees looking at? Because why would the call reverse after six minutes of deliberation? That should have been easily the Miami player was laying on the ground out of bounds, he touched the ball is incomplete. What was the where was the indisputable evidence? Right. When you saw what you think it was, I thought it was. I thought he called it.

What do you think? I mean, I honestly I thought I thought he called it to it, which I did. Yeah, I thought I thought it as well. So, I mean, they reversed it. And I'm assuming they reversed it. Is it because the Miami player was out of bounds? Half half was half of them was in in bounds.

The other half was out. They said he was out of bounds and he touched the ball. So he touched the ball. Any part of the body is incomplete. Yeah. OK. OK. OK. But that's not what they say. No, no, no, no, no. They gave a different. They gave a different explanation. They sure did. And they they reversed the call on the field, Ocho Ocho, Brandon, I.

You. Brandon. They were saying he threw a tantrum, but he and Kyle Shanahan had a healthy conversation. Kyle told him to change his shorts and switch black to black, Ayuk eventually did after talking with Shanahan. But as you can see, he did so reluctantly. Let's take a look at the video. Let me see. Let me see. Let me see. Let me see this.

I like I like there's no I like the red on red. He trying to match now, not when everybody else got on black. What you notice Ocho? Everybody else got on black? Yeah. That inch was never gonna fly. This ain't no alternate team. This ain't the pro bowl where you wear your own helmet.

This ain't that what that is. I mean, but I don't get the reluctant. Oh, Joe, you don't you look down at yourself like, damn, I'm the only one that got on my room. Everybody's got on black and you thought you thought that was going to be OK. And I saw people in the comments talking about, oh, is that why they lose it? Y'all know I can tell you I've never been a part of anything that explains it. I mean, yeah, I mean, it's it's a little it's a little nit-kicky, but I understand

what you're talking about because I've been a part of that. I've been I've been a part of that structured environment where you where you gotta, you know, dress the same, wear the same thing. Everybody is a team sport. One band, one sound. I understand. I understand. But if they were winning, if they were three and oh, if they was four and oh, man, Shanahan wouldn't care about them goddamn shorts. Boy, boy Jive. Listen.

If you six and oh, could you do that in New England? If you could do that in New England, if you six and oh, could you come out there in different? Hey, hey, can I say something real quick about New England? Yeah. Hey, you know the, what what you call it? Hey, chat, listen to me real quick. Let me tell you something about Bill Belichick in New England. If you ever played football at any level, you know, in the equipment room where they have

the the mannequin on how you suppose to dress? Yeah, you got the thigh pads and the knee pads. You have to practice, man. Bill ain't play that you had to have in thigh pads, you had to dress like that for practice. Man, Bill ain't play that. You had to have in thigh pads, you had to have in knee pads, you had to have in your hip pads. Man, Bill was tripping. Now, game day, you could do what you want to do. Man, Bill had me out there like I was at Liberty City

Optimist. Had every pad in. It was so funny. And you had to have every pad in, or he sent every pad in or we sent you back in. He sent you back in. Mike, Mike was however you play in the game. Oh, that's how you could dress for practice. For real? Yes.

Oh no, he a bill ain't play that boy. Oh, so because you know, we were one of the first team. I got it from Ricky Jackson. Ricky Jackson was the first person I ever saw that had no thigh pads, no knee pads, no pads. Ricky, Ricky pads were clean. Right, right, right. And I was like, man, Ricky Jack did it, hell, I will do it.

So we started myself and Ed and then because we cut all, we cut the line and everything, had holes all in the side. And then they started sending them to professional tailors. And that's why they looked like they were spandex. That's why they look so smooth because we end up sending them to the tailor. And they doctor them like that. But I know where in hell you are not coming out there. If Mike said we're going to have on this, everybody is a team.

You will have on that. I don't give them your John Elway. I don't care if you TD It didn't matter if I say we come out there and blue shorts Alright, you break your ass out there in the morning shorts if you want to go some grades No, Mike ain't play and Kyle is just like his dad, right? He was no I don't know what Brandon are you felt the moment? I about it with had a ball no joke

But the minute I hit that door and I saw everybody had on black short, I had to turn my black ass right back around and we got them black shorts. Because I already know how to go in. He had he had him underneath. So he was good. He was good. Yeah. Oh. Now, Michael, Michael, Michael, he would say the 49ers play tomorrow. I'm sure they do. If the 49ers play tomorrow? I'm sure they do. If the 49ers play tomorrow. If Brandon, you have a good game.

You got to have a good game. And if you don't have a game, they play the Patriots. OK, he going to have a good game. He going to have a good game. And if he does, they might still let him come out. Mike still let you come out there. They don't come back to this again if you don't play well. Oh, no, no, no. I don't care how he's going for 200.

He's not going to dress. Mike Kyle is not going to let him dress different than the team. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. I'm just saying if he doesn't play well, I'm just saying I can see the media jumping on him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What incident? You know, you incident. You know how we are. Structure is very, man look, Coach Davis tell us, this ain't no all tournament team. Ain't nobody, hey, y'all ain't fit to dress out here

like this here, somebody dress like that. No, we ain't fit to do that. This is a team, we gonna have structure, we gonna have discipline, and when I say everybody, hey, oh, you know how this thing work. All Fizz got a third color jersey, Yeah, it's got a third color jersey D has got a third color jersey Don't ain't

And I'm like what the quarterback got on his own color jersey that mean don't you touch it touch him if you want to Come hey like coach. David say hey, son. Can you play quarterback? Well stop effort hit that one? play quarterback, we'll stop effort hit that one. But you, but you understand, okay. You understand structure in a team setting. You don't want anything. Hold on. Chad, what's up chat? How y'all doing chat? Yeah. I love y'all chat. Call me if y'all need me. 786-235-5412.

You know, I'm here for you. What the hell? You supposed to be in the bed. Hey, you know what he look like? What? He look like Alf. Remember Alf? Yeah, I do remember Alf.

He look like Alf. Hey Willie. You supposed to be in the bed. Why you up? Hey, hey, woo woo woo woo. So I'm glad they got that resolve. Oh, Joe, Cliff Kingsbury was asked about Kyler this week. This is what he had to say. OK, yeah, it's been fun to watch him.

Then the last year, I thought you could see the confidence getting back in the knee and he made a bunch of big plays played really well and he's played great this season. There are a couple plays away from being undefeated. So you see the speed, the quickness, the competitive natures is there. So it's been, it's been great to see the guy, you know, I basically banked my entire career on what he would be and I still believe in it, and it's cool to see him playing as well as he is. I like that. Hey, that's some good words for you, for your former coach though, man. That's good.

Listen, Kyle and Murray is one of those players, you know, you got, you got, you got players that get coaches fired. Kyle and Murray is one of those players. Sometimes you don't know what you get. Well, he's the type of player that, that, that it makes you keep your job. He wasn't a player that it makes sure you keep your job because you can you can rely on him because you don't know what's going to happen. He's so goddamn electrifying.

Yeah, no, but he's on. Oh, he's on. He's on. You had to like because he was unique, Ocho. We had never seen a guy his size. Right. Go number. I mean, normally got it like that like man he can't play quarterback it ain't no question well you know normally like five he like five eleven and a half he's a smidge under six foot he ain't him close he ain't five eleven he ain't five ten you don't think so you stood next to Kyle Murray you think he's's six foot tall? Yeah, I can't, I can't see, I'm glad.

God damn, I can't remember. That was last year, huh? How tall you think Kyle Murray is? I mean, but five, 12? No. What you think? I mean, be honest, be honest. What you think?

Maybe five, nine. Come on. Five, 10. Come on, man. How tall did Liz Kyle at? What did Liz Kyle at? So we're gonna take a half an inch off of whatever they lifted. So they probably got him at six feet, huh?

They got him at five, 10. So you think he's five, nine? And a half. And a half. And a half. And a half. And a half. And a half. And a half. And a half.

And a half. And a half. And a half. And a half. And a half. small to play. Mm-hmm. He went number one overall. You gotta be extraordinary now. Yep.

Gotta be extraordinary. And the one thing that Kyler can do, they listed him at 5'10". Mm-mm. Ha ha. Mm-mm. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha.

Ha ha. That's a... How tall is 5'12"? How tall is 5'12"? 5'12 is like right before six feet. Nah, 5'11". 5'11 is right before six foot. 5'11, 5'11, six feet, like right in the smidge,'s a smidge right in the smidge right in the middle of that. So he's six foot tall. Now, he would be six foot tall. No, no, no. You ain't six feet.

You like, right, like, like, you know, the tank, you know, like the tank. Yeah. Like you see how small the tank is like that, that's five. Well, like, like from from the from the who to the ass. They look right right in between that. That's 512. Like, like from, from the, see, from the hoo-ha to the ass, right, right in between that. Oh, no, no. We got to go see. There you go. We got to go. Okay. Moving right along. I'll just give you a good explanation. After nine seasons, four All-Star appearances, and a conference final that happened just four months ago. Carl Anthony Towns, time in Minnesota is over.

He's headed to New York for Julius Randa, Dante DiVincenzo, and a protected first round pick via the Detroit Pistons. Cat simply wrote on Twitter last night after the news broke, the athletic reported Cat was stunned by the deal. At no point in time during his tenure has he ever asked to be traded.

Damn. Okay. He wrote dot dot dot dot three dots. He wrote three dots after the news broke last night on Twitter. And you think he's upset? Are you really? Can I ask you a chat? Listen to me real quick now.

You too. Do you think he's can answer a chat. Listen to me real quick. Now, you too. Do you think he's really upset going from Minnesota to New York? Come on now. Come on now. I mean, I don't think I don't I don't. I mean, he could look his form, if I'm not mistaken, I think his former agent, Leon Rose, right? Is is running the Celtics head worldwide.

They had that group that I mean, Right. Is is running the Celtics here worldwide. They have that group like, I mean, I think I think he's like rep by C. He's rep by C.A. now. I think Leon was at one point in time with C.A. I think Kat. Now, I just I just sat down with I just sat down with Cat. You did. I did. What he said, oh, this is before before it happened on before.

Thank you. Listen, I don't even play basketball and I like Minnesota, I like the people in Minnesota because the people in Minnesota have been always good to me Anthony Edwards is in Minnesota Kevin Durant Kevin Durant Kevin Durant Kevin Garnett played in Minnesota Yeah, Prince is from Minnesota. Mm-hmm But we talk about being able to play in the Mecca man No, man, don't want to go to go go with a team and have to play as his ass 46 minutes a night and then they be done by the end of the season? What you mean?

He just had Timbs. He was with Timbs when Timbs was in Minnesota and Timbs grinding him to the ground and him down. They ain't gonna do him like that. They ain't gonna do him like that. That's the only way Timbs know. What you think D-Roy? Hey, it's about playing in the Mecca, man.

You know what that's like? Madison Square Garden, man. What you talking about? I only been there once, but I understand. But New York got them high ass taxes. Oh yeah, that's messed up, huh? And I think he and his girl just bought a $14 million crib somewhere.

Was that in Cali? Well, that's for the off season, that's for the off season. That's for the off season. I don't think, I mean, I'm sure they probably got $14 million homes in Minnesota. There ain't many. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball,

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especially tennis. On the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast, I get the chance to do what I love, talk about how tennis and other women's sports are growing and changing, and what the future holds. I think I just genuinely loved what I did. I love this waking up, putting on my sports gear. I still believe it was so rewarding.

Maybe you can relate to it as well. As a woman, I think it's a very powerful feeling to have a job at which you're able to see improvements in real time. On the show, we dissect everything going on in the game, straight from the biggest players in the world. Plus, serve up recaps of all the matches and headlines in the game, including a rundown of the US Open every Monday.

Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast every Monday on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hey, I know he happy. He is. Listen, you can put on. He happy. He happy. He happy. I call Kat right now. I asked him. No, I go bother him. But having a conversation that I had, he was very excited about this upcoming season in Minnesota and atoning for what

happened last year, I'm just going to leave it at that. Wait for the interview. OK, OK, I'll leave it at that. All right. Well, maybe I'll leave it at that. All right. Well, maybe I'll leave it at that. You also have a part two. You should have a part two interview to coincide with the first one. It's no, the unthinkable happened.

Yeah. I'll text him and I'll get you all in touch. It's time for Q. And a. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa for Q and A. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Already? Already. Now that I took a nap, I'm ready to talk some more, man.

You can. Just Brandon said that no-call pass interference killed Georgia. I'll say it for you all. Do you think that was PI, Ocho? You talking about the play before the interception? Yeah, what, the DB didn't look The play before the interception? Yeah. What? What? The DB didn't look back for the ball, right?

Yup. Listen, that was that was it wasn't enough for me. Even though the DB didn't look back for the ball, he didn't touch he didn't impede the receiver in any way. He didn't impede the receiver in any way. He put his hands up and he

didn't really touch him. I ain't calling that. You don't call it? I'm not calling that. Absolutely not. And I'm a receiver. I ain't definitely, I ain't calling that. Yeah, it was...

Had they called it? I would have been ticky. I'm so, oh Joe, they don't normally let plays like this in college. See, I'm the type of guy, man, you don't call a play like that to hell with you. Well, you don't commit, if you don't want to play, if you don't want to flag thrown, don't commit a foul.

Don't commit a penalty. I cannot swallow, I cannot in good conscience, say well, if it's the first quarter, second quarter, that's a penalty. But late in the ball game it's not. A penalty is a penalty. If a guy, you get ready to take a victory formation and the guy jumps off side,

are they gonna throw a penalty? Are they gonna say well he was already gonna take a knee anyway so no problem. They gonna throw a flag. So if it's a penalty, it's a penalty, it's a penalty. Yeah. I am shocked. I am, I'm shocked they didn't throw it.

I mean, that's tough. That's tough. Can you think about it? Have it, let's say it's a hundred plays in the game. It was a hundred in the game, you're a referee. You could throw a flag a hundred times. Yeah. Like sometimes you gotta let them boys play ball, man.

Sometimes you gotta let them play, the boys play ball and not allow the referee to be more of the central focus of the goddamn game with them damn yellow hankies. Did I think that play was more egregious than the one right before the half that the Georgia DB ran up the Alabama kids back? No, I don't. But if that guy throws a flag, I can't say,

oh man, they, no, they, that was wrong. That was a wrong call. No, I can't say, oh man, they, they, they, they, that was wrong. That was a wrong call. No, I couldn't. I couldn't. No, Joe. I'm surprised they didn't call it. I didn't. I'm surprised they didn't call it. No problem. Uh, architect nice TV said Hunter is a hundred percent better corner than receiver. I don't know what Ocho is talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. How are you going to tell me what he better than I know I've been watching him. I've been watching him since he was legit. He's a better receiver. How you gonna tell me?

You just started watching him. I've been watching him since he was nine years old. What you talking about telling me? He's a better receiver. Now I lock you up. What you talking about man? How you gonna tell me what I know and I know what I know? You ain't even playing. You got him Ocho? He just watch TV. He just watching more TV. He don't know. You know about receiving DB. I played both, both ways. Anyway, whoever that was. He's a better.

Dr. Frankie L. Bellamy. Go ahead. What you want to finish up? Now I just want to tell dude I love him. I love you homie. I love you, homie. Dr. Frankie Bellamy, 84, 85. Is it better to have a bad coach and a great team or a great coach and a bad team? Well if you have a bad coach and a great team, a great team but overcome bad coaching because

you got to break it. No, because he gonna mess it up. You saw Brandon Staley? But look at all that talent he had. And the Chargers. You came and hit the man. Why did you come and hit the man? Because you got because he gonna mess it up Remember you saw Brandon Staley Look at all that talent he had And said at the Chargers you came in here said man why uh, why didn't I win all these? Why didn't I win in no games man with that talent? Hey that defense was maybe maybe they're running Maybe they should run a bit should have been running a three four instead of a four three

Man what you call for whatever reason the boasters they just can't stay healthy I don't know if they didn't I don't I don't know if they didn't drink milk when they were kids, but man damn. I can tell you what it is. I can tell you why 80% of NFL continues to get hurt and the soft tissue injuries continue to increase year in and year out. I can tell you, but nobody want to listen to me. But no, the NFL teams want to bring in all these goddamn specialists, all these goddamn pie charts and shit, you know, on, on, on which is supposed to consume and how important nutrition and intake is.

And everybody continues to get hurt. Don't listen to me. We play a fucking barbaric sport, but all you motherfuckers are eating like goddamn rabbits and wonder why your body can't hold up and it's only week goddamn three. Yeah. But you don't want to listen to me. Huh? 11, 12 years, no injuries.

All I did was dislocated my goddamn finger once. Shit. But don't listen to me. Listen to the motherfucking people that never played a sport before, but they telling you what to put in your goddamn body. I'm going to listen to the guys like Megatron, it's 88 healthy and Jerry. Who? Megatron.

Okay. That's a good one. What about, what about Jerry? Jerry, that, that, that's a good one too. I mean, look, to each his own. I just felt that I just wanted, I just felt that I was going to get in what I put out. And so like during the season, I wouldn't need anything bad.

Um, that was just me. And it, and the, but here's the thing though, Ocho, the mind is, is, is, is the strongest muscle that you have. So you believe eating that what not gonna happen. Right. And you convince yourself. Most people believe that if they eat healthy, they'll be healthy and they'll perform better. It ain't happening because all the motherfuckers hurt.

They are. Soft tissue injuries, my hamstring, my ankle. And I mean, listen, I'll tell you about the it hurts me because the best players are the ones getting hurt. And on Sundays, I want to see you play. I want to see you play. I'm mad at Pukka Nakua. Pukka Nakua had historic rookie season last year with the Rams. You know what he ate every day? Last year, he had McDonald's. He was a McDonald's advocate. Just like I am. He changed his diet in the office and then started eating healthy.

It's not a coincidence, but you have to understand the old show. A lot of guys don't have your frame. They eat McDonald's eating that bull job. They're going to be, they're going to be 300 pounds. They're going to be 20, 30 pounds over their weight. I'm out time out time. What you mean? A lot of guys don't have my frame. It's be 300 pounds. They're going to be 20, 30 pounds over their weight. Time out, time out, time out. What you mean a lot of guys don't have my frame? It's only one me.

Exactly. I know, hey listen, I know I'm built like a he-man figurine. No shit figurine. No. Chiseled up. I know, everybody can be built like this. I'm a specimen. No.

I'm a specimen. Yeah, I know. A lot of guys that eat, you know, we got weight. I don't know if y'all had weight, had to make weight or something like that. I was overweight a few times. I got, hey listen, Marvin fired me like 15,000 right before the Ravens game. Right before the Ravens game. I came in at 225.

I ain't worried about that. I think the thing is, Ocho, is that I don't think the guys give their body enough time to rest. You don't think so? I don't. They barely even practice. No, but I'm saying, I'm talking about all they do, is they go from soon as the season over,

they start back running and they don't take no time off. Oh, I see what you mean. I see what you mean. Damn, give your body, take a month. Take two months off. I don't think that's it. We were doing two a day. We were doing it. We were getting it.

We don't they don't they don't put the body through the ringer enough. They're not practicing enough. Oh Joe. You got to get the body ready for that. But we took time off in the off season. We would we didn't take after a pro bowl turn around and start right back training two weeks later. Man these guys take two weeks off. Oh

joy they back they back doing sprint work and pulling tires and box jumping. I'm like what damn. Damn man. Yeah, man. Uh, cool, Chris. Appreciate the show. Y'all always keep it 100. Cool. Appreciate you. Thanks for the support, man.

We always try to. That's what we pride ourselves. Tell it like a TIS tears. Leota Rose said, love the show as always, but I have a question for you. Seem very no nonsense and serious. Did you get that trade from your grandfather? Grandmother? I recall you telling a story of him being stern. My grandfather. You seem very no nonsense and serious. Did you get that trade from your grandfather, grandmother?

I recall you telling a story of him being stern. My grandfather. He was very matter of fact, we understood kids were seen to be, you know, seen, not heard. Go ahead. And so that's just I am. I don't do a whole lot of bulljabbing around. I don't hold a whole lot of playingjabbing around. I don't hold a whole lot of playing.

Um, I'm serious. I'm, I'm intentional. I think if any, if a way that I would describe myself is that I'm intentional, I know what I want. Um, I know the best way I feel to go about it. I'm very disciplined. I'm very dedicated. I'm very determined. I want certain things.

Uh, I'm not feel I know everything. I try to surround myself with people that are smarter than I am that can protect all my blind spots. So therefore things that I don't know they can fill in the fill in the blanks or fill in the space. But yeah, that's it. My grandmother she was starting to you know, once my grandfather passed away, obviously she had to take over that role because now it was her, but you know, but my grandfather had already planted that seed.

I couldn't imagine bowing up at my grandmother. I couldn't imagine being disrespectful. Now was I smart? Say things under my breath, Which you couldn't hear? Or when I was out of earshot? Yeah, absolutely. But I just think that's just for me. But I've kind of always been this way.

I guess that's why I don't have a whole lot of friends, because I ain't the easiest guy to get along with, Ocho. It is what it is. Are you easy to get along with on Joe. I, it is what it is. Are you easy to get along with man? You good, you good. We had, we had no problems. We had no problems. We had no problems.

We had no problems. It is, but I, but you know, but my friends, my friends, the guys that I, that I grew up with and I played college ball with, even like group chat. Don't put me in a group chat. Cause cause they already know, Hey, I don't know who put me in this group. Chad, take me out, man. Y'all man.

Why y'all put sharp in the chat, man? Y'all know how sharp is. I tell you what, let another, let another message come to my phone. I'm blocking everybody, everybody number that I can see. I'm blocking you and Sam Warren, Sam. I know you watch, you know, Taurus for and Sam Warren, Sam, I know you watch, you notorious for that. Say, Sam, take back this group chat. I know your fat ass did it.

Deep room, deep rooms like Sam. Hey, bad, bad. You know, you bad, you know, I sharp is bad. He, he, you'll see the laughing emoji with his tongue hanging out. I said, bro, Sam, you know. That dude, man, he played too much. But, uh, yeah, I couldn't. Oh, Joe, Joe, Joe, like this because I mean, he was a loud.

Oh, Joe, can be if I was siblings. Oh, Joe, can be like this. She. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Unless you're going to put me up for adoption. If Ocho and I were siblings, Ocho couldn't be like this. Shit. Well, y'all better put me up for adoption. Nah. See, people say that. Barney Porter didn't play that.

Mm-mm. Hell, I'm Abdul Elijewan. What's up, nightcap? For now, I'll on Just Call Me, Luis, cuz you be butchering my profile name. Okay, Luis, yeah, man, you got that on. Haram, Harin? Haram Hakeem Haram Abdul Eladjewan Abdul Eladjewan. That's what it is. Abdul Eladjewan.

That's it. Abdul Eladjewan. That's what I'm sticking with. Have you seen the video of Roddy White criticizing Clemson about having all white players on the team? If so, what's y's your take on it? Oh, did you did, did you did you see where Roddy said they got Clemson has too many white players on the team?

What's Clemson record this year? What's Clemson's record? I think they lost one game, maybe two. I think they just lost one. Three, three and one. Well, I mean, I'm sure they've been three and one with black players before too, so they really don't hold no weight. I think he'd look at that like Clemson don't look like the Clemson of old.

When they had Kristen Wilkins and they had all those guys had the Shawns and all those guys that had all that, you know, had those, those, those low, uh, had all those guys, they don't seem like they're like that. Right. And it's, uh, but you know, he, Hey, so you basically saying Clemson and gentrified. I mean, that's, that's what, that's what it sounds like. I tell you what he go have to do.

He go definitely have to go to that portal and get some players. I ain't saying you got to go have to do. He go definitely have to go to that portal and get some players. I ain't saying you got to go get all of them, but boy, hey, if you think you just gonna recruit, just go, I'll just go out. Nah. It ain't happening. Nah, because first of all,

the likelihood of you out recruiting Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, those guys. Right. And when they got those big, and they got those collectibles, they got probably got 20, 10 got those collectibles. They got probably get 2010 15 20 million dollar budget Yeah, but I get what he said, I mean he's not used to seeing all those

The guys, you know They didn't look like Roddy. He's not used to seeing them guys with the a man at Georgia got a safety He don't play he could play for anybody. He can play at Georgia. He could play at Alabama He could play at Ohio State. He could play at USC whatever top team you think that kid can play He was nice boy. Oh, yes, sir If you jump out on film against Alabama if you jump out on film period When you're playing a game like that you you something about you special If you jump out on film against Alabama, if you jump out on film, period, when you're playing a game like that, you something about you is special.

Yeah, he jumped out. I was like, damn, when he get there, oh, you going down. Hey, he sure tackle. I'm like, damn, this kid all over the place. Cause I was looking at him, I'm like, oh, they about to get you. Right. I was like, oh, I'm like, oh, they about to get you. Right. I was like, oh, they, hey, you can say, hey,

I don't tell you, you don't say, hey. Like Larry Burry just say, man, get this white dude off me. Y'all got a white dude covering me? That's disrespectful. That's disrespectful, y'all put him on me. But I just like, I think it's the time that, you know, he's not used to seeing Clemson.

Right. Cause you know, Clemson, you know, hey, it is, you don't see a whole lot. Most of them, they got them brothers, they got them dogs, you know, hey, ever since they integrated the schools, once upon a time, that's all you saw. But once they went down there and got a couple of them,

they're like, hey, we can win with these guys. Yeah. The only ID said, is your Super Bowl versus the Packers, do you think if your brother was still playing would have been worth one touchdown difference in the game or more on the win? I'm glad he wasn't playing. No disrespect to any of the receivers they had

when none of them guys Sterling Sharp. It'd been a very, very interesting ball game. And I think it probably would have come down to a situation like that. But we was counting on Brett to give us a couple of turnovers, which we got, and we took advantage of it. But he got his ring courtesy of me. That would I, that would I, that's what I like to say.

LB Cool said, Hey, Ocho, what show you like being on the most? Yeah. Oh Joe, what show you like being on the most? Oh, I, I, you know, I like, I like nightcap nose. I like being on nightcap the most because I can be Ocho. I can, I can be myself. Now I like the, the chemistry that I have on inside NFL with Ryan and Bill Belichick. That's part of the whale.

It's a little bit more on the serious side. What a little bit of with a little bit of fun, a sprinkle of fun, almost like the TNT crew. I'm not saying we're like the TNT crew, you know, with Shack and Kenny, them. But it has that kind of feel feel to it. But it's also is serious. But but here is like, ain't nothing like this, man. I tell you, I let my hair down on here You know, I got you do I could be myself. I got you know, I can come to you definitely

Huh? Yeah, you let your hair down. Oh, yeah, you know, I let it down. Yeah. Yeah, I Sure wish you would let it down so much. So that hey guys, I'm not in a bar for once I swear lies if past you could see present you today, what would you say to yourself? Put that snickers back. I would say when you enter someone else's house, turn the phone off. I would say, I would say,

don't tweet so much. They're going to be this thing called the internet that's going to come out and you'll be able to tweet. People can see your tweet and then they could comment under your tweet. Um, you know what, Shannon, you don't always have to respond back. Yeah. People like, people like having a celebrity that will, that will engage them. Yeah, people like people like having a celebrity that will that will engage them. Yeah, that's nice because they feel that person don't think they're above them and they feel like they can have a conversation and go

back and forth. Uh, but that that's that's probably one of the things. Um, I don't really think there there'd be much, uh, much, much else I, much else I would say to myself, Ocho. No, because if I would, if I would tell them, if I knew. Today, right. What I knew yesterday, then I would that that would, I wouldn't be me. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. I was, I was going to say something like that in general. I kind of I kind of.

I kind of want to don't have to tell myself anything. Yeah. But for that for that same reason, I think everything I've been through and gone through. Has made me who I am today. You know, the growth is tremendous. I mean, tremendous. I'm talking about, you know, me from back then as a person, I am now now. I'm still, I'm still me now, you know, I'm, I'm still my authentic self, but, but

the growth, especially knowing, okay, when, when, when the lock in and be serious. Yeah. When I can, can have fun as opposed to always being fun 24 7. But yeah, yeah, you know what today was today. Today I was trying to watch I was trying to watch a football game and I couldn't get my TV to come on. You know why? Yeah, all my TVs are on Ashley Arman's admin. So I can't watch TV.

I can't watch TV. As you had to turn my TV on. Wait. From her house, I had to call Ash. Just to get your TV on. Yes. Oh, because you don't know how to. That's probably too much work on it. They all the TVs, all my TVs are on ash account. So if I go down to try to wipe up on TV, they like who's watching Ashley Shannon Shelly or kids okay okay okay as got to I just want you to know as got table terrible taste of movie movies a

movie the trash trash I like who the hell be watching this bull? Yeah. So if you ever go on YouTube and see what you be watching that. Is that bad? Terrible. Hello, Shadada, oh, nice to say hello, Shadada Nocho. Can you give a birthday shout out for my good friend Sterling?

He's an Afghanistan veteran, and his birthday was yesterday. We sure can. Sterling, that's a very special name. Thank you. Congratulations, hopefully everything is well. Thank you for your service first and foremost and thank all the men and women around the world that's doing an unbelievable job of protecting us.

But Sterling, yesterday was your birthday and Nightcap crew, Ocho and myself, would like to wish you a very, very special happy birthday and thank you for your years of service to this country. Salute. Scotty T., Ocho, does Raelle root for Alabama or Auburn? Raelle is from Phoenix City, Alabama. So she roots for Roll Tide.

Yeah. Roll Tide. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life.

The referee, the coach, the expert. My next season is all about fans and what the rise of sports betting is doing to them, to the teams, and even to my family. I'm heading to Las Vegas and New Jersey and beyond to understand America's newest form of legalized gambling. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. It was December 2019 when the story blew up. In Green Bay, Wisconsin, former Packer star

Kabir Vajabiamila caught up in a bizarre situation. Hey, GB, explaining what he believes led to the arrest of his friends at a children's Christmas play. A family man, former NFL player, devout Christian, now cut off from his family and connected to a strange arrest. I am going to share my journey of how I went from Christianity to now a Hebrew Israelite. I got swept up in Kabir's journey, but this was only the beginning in a story about faith

and football, the search for meaning away from the gridiron, and the consequences for everyone involved. You mix homesteading with guns and church and a little bit of the spice of conspiracy theories that we liked, voila, you got straight away. I felt like I was living in North Korea, but worse, if that's possible. Listen to Spiral on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast, NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal. Five days a week, you'll get all the latest news, previews, recaps, and analysis delivered

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Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Renee Stubbs and I'm obsessed with sports, especially tennis. On the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast, I get the chance to do what I love, talk about how tennis and other women's sports are growing and changing and what the future holds. I think I just genuinely loved what I did.

I love this waking up, putting on my sports gear. I still believe it was so rewarding. Maybe you can relate to it as well. As a woman, I think it's a very powerful feeling to have a job at which you're able to see improvements in real time. On the show, we dissect everything going on in the game straight from the biggest players in the world.

Plus, serve up recaps of all the matches and headlines in the game, including a rundown of the US Open every Monday. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast every Monday on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Desmond Harned said, Okanocho, if you could choose being a sports movie, would you be the star or supporting cast? I'm the star. What you supporting cast? I'm the star. What you talk about?

I'm the star. Like if I was in Rudy, I need to be Rudy. I want to be Rudy. If I'm if I'm in Remember the Titans. You will be Denzel. You will be coach Boone. Actually, you do realize such as my best friend, Burns, played for Coach Boone. Actually, you do realize. So Burns, my best friend Burns played for Coach Boone.

For real. Yeah. As they were, he was the last they were. I think they won the state championship. Burns senior year. For real. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, obviously, I want to be. Obviously, I want to be. I would want to star in the movie.

Yeah. I mean, but no, hold on. I could be a co-star. It's not like I have to be Denzel or Samuel Jackson or rock in the movie. I got to be a star. No, I could be a co-star. My light got to shine. Yeah.

I mean, no, as a matter of fact, like I just look like a star. Like I just look like the lead in something like. But see, I might not be the star in that movie, but I'm going to do so well. They're going to make me a star just like Denzel in Glory. Well, Rotary, but Denzel was so good, he never had to be a supporting guy again. You look at the rock, the rock was Scorpion King. He was the look.

Guess what happened? Boom. Never been a supporting guy again. So that's all you do. What's your good day? I had to come out the bench, you know, I'm saying, oh, Joe, I didn't start my first day. But after a while, they put me in. Let me shine a little bit. That's like, hey, we got to put it. We got to put 81 in the game I was number 81 too low. I

Hated that number. I don't look I know 81 I need an even number Look terrible Patterson Yazzie, I can oh, chill your boy is in Berlin, Germany ready to make already take on the Boston the Berlin Marathon okay okay don't worry I won't stop and kiss a girl this time but yeah that was you he's gonna stop he doesn't stop you try to get the girl number what he wanted to kiss the girl I wanted a girl number wait yeah he run the Boston he run the Berlin Marathon he said I won't stop and kiss a girl this time Lock it and run fast Fast race wish me luck

722 a.m. Here Patterson man. Thank you so much for supporting us. Thank you for watching us. Yeah, bro. Hey, I Don't know what your go time is. I Suspect that anything under three hours is extremely fast Yeah, so if you under three hours is extremely fast. Yeah. So if you're under three hours, but if you just finish it, because I don't even drive 26 miles. I know damn well I ain't finna run no 26 miles. Oh yeah, that's, 26 is good. I mean, listen, I ran the Boston Marathon,

I think it might've been 2003 in the off season just to get some good cardio in. I think I ran it about an hour and 30 minutes. Hello. In the Boston Marathon, like in September, Memorial Day. Is Memorial Day? No, he said, but Ocho said he ran, but I'm trying to think. Is it Memorial Day or Labor Day? Where is the Boston Marathon?

Patriot's Day, OK. What month is that? April. Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, I know, I know. What was your time? You remember your time? I can't remember my time, but I came in third. From last? No.

Oh, what up, Ocho? What do, what it do, blood? Oh, Ocho, I pitched my business plan to my homie and he didn't hit me back I don't know how to take it. Oh man. He left. No, hey listen if you pitch your bitch, but you never Pitch a business plan to your homie. No never especially me hit you back. You already know what time it is man Now listen you want to do something to him. Let me know Let me know I come wherever you at now. We put the two piece on me quick and the biscuit.

Throwing some fries. Yeah, I mean, you got to be careful with business and friendship, business and family. You got to be real careful with that, Ocho. Yeah. I won't even tell my right hand what the left hand for the new. Yeah, you got to be mad.

It's tough, bro. It's really tough. Because. Now, I probably wouldn't pitch a business plan to a friend. No, sir. For an extremely long period of time, you know what I'm saying? Right. Because I don't I don't I don't I don't want our friendship. I don't want our friendship to. Money, money, man, money, money, money, because people act differently with you.

A family, family, friends, love. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It don't matter. It don't matter. Everybody act funny when it comes to that love, yeah. Friends, associates, strangers. Hell yeah. It don't matter. It don't matter. Everybody act funny when it comes to that green, boy. Terry Taylor, oh, you don't come off as a flashy jewelry type guy,

but what kind of watch is that? Yeah, send me one. It's called a Meteorite, and it's an off catalog piece, which means it's not made available to the public. Yeah, I normally have a watch. I mean, watch, yeah, I mean, over the last, because I used to have, you know, I used to have an 84 necklace and I wore it all the time. That guy, when my house got burglarized almost two years ago, year and a half ago, they took all that. And so I was

like, you know what? So I got a chain. I kind of wear this most of the time. But yeah, I mean, I used to, I used to only, I didn't have any bracelets. I only had, I used to only wear a watch and a, and my necklace only had a, and yeah, and now that I think about it, Ocho, I had a dog tag that was made. Yeah. And then all my kids, I had one big K,

cause all my kids start with K. It was in diamonds. Stole that too, damn. Damn. Dang. But it is what it is. God bless me. Tinfo. What?

10, 10. You're going to take care of you now. He absolutely is. Shake that hole. Damn. I don't even know if I'm winning with a name like that, bro. is. Shake that hole. Damn, I don't even know if I'm winning with a name like that, bro. I should have just said STH and let people figure it out from there, what you're talking about. Uncle Nocho needs your opinion. Is it wrong to leave a woman that lacks the ability to answer

yes or no question? Huge pet peeve. I haven't shaken off. I hate that. Hold on, you talking about leave? Like how y'all even together if you know she don't answer yes or no questions? Well, I guess you probably think that. It shouldn't even got to that point. Shit, talking about leaving. I hate that. Ocho.

Yeah. Hey man, I'm going to Chick-fil-A. You want something? What you getting? Man, don't ask me what the **** I'm getting. I asked you did you want something? You ain't gotta get what I want. Get. Damn. Never mind. Forget it. I ain't going nowhere. Oh. I hate I hate that. I I know what you're talking about. I ain't really I ain't really ran to that problem every, every, every so often, every so often. I try to be as nice as possible because you know, when you ask a woman what she

wants to eat, she never know. Um, she never know. And then when you, when you make a suggestion, she'll say, you sure that's what you want? Well, God damn, I just gave you the opportunity to tell them what you want to eat. But when I said something all of a sudden now you sure that's what I want want If it's something that you want, why don't you just say it? Yeah Anytime it comes to ask a woman anything when it comes to food Everything is a debate. It's a debate Yeah, I hate I hate that old Joe. Hey, man. I'm gonna go to the store. What you get? Do you want something?

Why do you got to get what I get? Do you want to you want to ride with me? Damn. Man, that's what man. I know I hate that. I know how you feel. You know, I hate that. Don't ask me. I'm asking you, do you want something? Don't worry about what I'm that. I know how you feel. You don't take a glass. I hate that. Don't ask me. I'm asking you. Do you want something?

Don't worry about what I'm getting right? You know what? Oh Lord have mercy. I know how you feel Take it. Take your time man Why you gotta get what I get why you gotta worry about what I'm getting? That's all I want to know. Why do you got to worry about what I what I get? Why you gotta worry about what I'm getting? That's all I wanna know. Why do you gotta worry about what I'm gonna get? Yeah.

I know how you feel. I asked you, did you want anything? Oh, where you going? Okay, yeah, sure, let me get the number one combo with no pickles, let me get cheese, extra sauce, let me get large waffle fry, lemonade. Or if I'm going to XYZ, okay, let. OK, let me get the the the four tenors, the five tenors, fries and large this. OK, fine.

You know where I'm going. Why you got to know what I'm going to get to determine what you're going to eat? You know what? I ain't even hungry. Forget it. I don't know, Joe. I ain't like I ain't hungry no more. I was thinking about eating something, but you know, now I don't even wanna eat nothing no more.

So yeah, but that bothers me too, because they like, I like, okay, would you like to go here? Whatever you wanna do now, but you always say I will never ask you to do so. Right. Now when I ask you to do whatever you wanna do, you know we gonna go, no, yeah, I know. I know we normally go where I would wanna go, but I'm asking you, where would you like to do, you know, we go go. No, I, yeah, I know. I know we normally go where I would want to go, but I'm asking you,

where would you like to go specifically? You I'm asking you, where would you want to? Well, you don't, it don't matter to me. Long as we go. Now you know why I don't take your ass nowhere because you only know where you want to go. See, Oh Joe, that bad.

Oh Joe, I get so mad I tell somebody at two o'clock be at my house 730 732 o'clock Okay, or I tell you the day before hey, we go at XY we go to X place Reservations at this time. Right. Be at the house because boom, boom, boom. Why you gonna call me at 715? Talk about you running late. Guess what I do, Ocho? I don't even want to go no more. I thought you running late.

Guess what I do, Ocho? I don't even wanna go no more. When they get to the house, I'm undressed. I don't know where you thought you were going. Bad. Bad up. You done got a dress? Yeah, I don't wanna go now. Cuz basically you said, you said F me.

That's what you said. You said F me. Hold on. They didn't do five hours in advance and still late. Yes! I told you the night before. I asked you what time would you, cuz a lot of times I asked you what time would you because a lot of time I think what time would you like to be at the reservation you know whatever time is good for you what time would you like would you like something early would you like something late I don't like to eat too late I don't like eating at no 839 o'clock I'm more of a I'm more of a 630 between a 630 and a

730 because I really like to be trying to take my clothes off shutting it down at nine o'clock. Oh 730 is good. Then you go call me at 715 talk about you running late. Okay don't worry about it. So you say F me you say my time ain't important don't worry about it. Your stomach ain't important either. Hope you brought something some Tupperware. I don't even say that. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, I'm not mad. Don't worry about it. You good.

Hey, that you you mad, hey that you mad text, that's real. Now that, that was real. Because you know, man a lot of time Ocho people, they only give you 10 minutes. If you running late, that's alright, don't worry about it Like my grandma say you just y'all love being the countel don't you Mm-hmm. No, I just Nah, man, I just I just I just like go just oh Joe like you say bad just say okay what you want Okay, you know, I just, I just like, yo, just, oh Joe, like you said, man, just say, okay, what you want. Okay, you know, I don't know, maybe, I think I get that, I think I get that from my granddaddy.

Because my grandfather was like that. He got, he would get annoyed. First of all, he and my grandmother, they was very big on time. They didn't play that. You could leave and go to them clubs and go out and you leave on time. We're going to go to church and we're going to do what we need to do on time. But he was big on that. Right. Oh, you wouldn't fit to make Barney late.

But I'm getting better. I'm working on patience, Ocho. I'm working on that. Yeah, yeah. Every night, that's one of the first thing I ask God to give me is patience. Patience, yeah, yeah. Damn. He gonna get to you now.

He gave me as much discipline with his little patience. I think they're hand in hand. Little patience, discipline. They're both the way up here. Yeah. Hey, one thing about the patience, it might not come when you want it, but it's going to be on time. Yeah.

But I'm getting better, Ocho. I'm getting better. I'm praying, you know, I'm praying up, you know, call my uncle, my uncle, one day at a time. Yeah, one day at a time, Ocho. Yeah, that's all it is. That's all it is. Even the kids, they be, hey, the kids beat me. They be, last time I was home, a couple of,

no, maybe like the time before we went out and the kids beat me. They last time I was home, a couple of times before we went out and the kids beat me. They called me, Daddy, is everything OK? I'm like, what do you mean, Daddy, you ain't never late. Yeah, something came up. Because they already know they both I'm calling. Because. Yeah, Cause daddy late, they already know they, a both of them calling. Cause yeah, something, something actually did come up though. Something did come up. Oh Joe, man, what a game, what a game, what a game.

The Alabama Crimson Tide takes down the Georgia Bulldogs. What 41 to 34 and what is probably thus far in it's early in the season, one of the best games of the season, if not the best went back and forth. Alabama jumps out to a big lead. Georgia overtakes them on a big 67 yard throw and catch. Alabama comes right back 75 yard touchdown to the young rookie, the young freshman sensation Ryan Williams. They take the lead, go for two, get it, and they end up winning the holding on, winning the ball game 41-34.

Interception late in the ball game in the end zone, preserved the victory and the Georgia Bulldogs are undefeated no more. Alabama wins 41-35. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. I am your favorite on Shannon Sharpe. He is your favorite number 85 Liberty City zone, Cincinnati Bingo, ring of fame honoree, the pro bowl of the all pro, Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson.

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