Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Bears hire Johnson, Carroll's NFL return, Andrews apologizes

Episode Date: February 5, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from the NFL season including, the Chicago Bears hiring Ben Johnson as their next HC, Pete Carroll makes his return to the NFL as the next HC of the Las Vegas Raiders, Baltimore Ravens’ Mark Andrews apologizes to his team and much more!03:08 - Ben Johnson will be the newest head coach of the Bears09:40 - Cowboys hire a new head coach27:41 - Pete Carroll to the Raiders39:00 - Jaguars bring on new head coach, Liam Coen50:35 - Ravens’ Mark Andrews apologizes to his team(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance. See dkng.com slash promos for deposit, wagering, and eligibility restrictions, terms, and responsible gaming resources. The Lions offensive coordinator, Ben Johnson, has agreed to a deal to become the Chicago Bears' next head coach. Johnson has been the Lions offensive coordinator for the past three seasons, and if I'm not mistaken I think they finished in the top five in offense each of those seasons. He will fill the job vacated by Matt Iberfluse when they fired him on November 29th. Johnson will become the 19th head coach in the 105-year franchise existence.

Ocho, do you like the hype? You goddamn right I like the hype. You goddamn right. Now listen, we talk about Ben Johnson now. We talk about Ben Johnson that worked wonders with Jared Goff. Worked wonders offensively with that offense. The creativity that has amazed all of us all season long. Now, you know, Dan Campbell loves to go forward on fourth down.

Why do you think he's so confident in doing some of the things he does as a head coach? Because of Ben Johnson and what he's able to do. So I look at it from this standpoint, you got Jameson Williams, you got Amon Ross Lane Brown, you got the Porter. Now you go to another supporting cast in Chicago that different skill sets, but they get the job done very well. Right. You have a great quarterback, dual threat quarterback, who's a little bit more mobile, a little bit more agile, can play off script a little better than golf. And Kandell Williams, he's a good thrower of the ball as well.

This is going to be a perfect relationship, not only for Ben Johnson, but for Kandell Williams in his career. I guarantee you, and I'm gonna put it out there right now, and it's gonna be a I told you so moment when the season starts and we in about maybe week seven or week eight and I'm gonna be like, I told you so. Caleb Williams being one of the top quarterbacks

in the league statistically because of Ben Johnson and his creativity and his offensive prowess. Watch. I like to hire. I like to hire also. But what I don't like, Chicago and New England doing that fake stuff, bring black coaches in there when they know damn well they not gonna hire them.

They brought Eddie George in there. And you know, look, you gotta take it. Yeah, yeah. You know damn well they want, excuse me. But you know good and D well. You know good and D well. You know good and D well. You wanted Ben Johnson. But Ochoa, hey, the Rooney rule, I gotta get that quote. Same thing in New England.

New England, y'all brought two Blacks, y'all brought Pep Hamilton in. Y'all brought this other Black. You know good and well. Byron Lefvage. Y'all know good, first of all, Byron Lefvage been out of the league for what? Two years. And y'all gonna bring him in. Now he ain't got no office according to what y'all brought him in. And see y'all, what y'all did, the Patriots did that thing so good, they brought two of them in. Ooh, ooh, ooh, they gonna have, ooh, they brought two, Ocho brought two of them. Yeah, I mean listen, they have to check the boxes. They gotta check the boxes. Like you said, they got to meet the quota. You have to satisfy the rule that's in place that's really not working.

Ain't got no tea to it. But look, I like to hire, I like Ben Johnson. I like what he did. You mentioned it, he has a quarterback that's more mobile. He has very good, look, you got Roman Dumes that he took in the first round for the Bears. You got DJ Moore that you signed to a contact contract extension. You got Kenan Allen I think Kenan Allen is a free agent. So you probably bring him back because he came on strong at the end of the year

Yeah, he's that guy that he's not as fast Mm-hmm is not as quick as a Amon Ra the same in the slot, but he gets it done. He got tremendous moves He got great hands. I like him. He's a big body. He can body you up. So I like that. I like that. I don't really know their running back situation. You're going to have to improve the offensive line because that's one thing. De'Andre Swift. Offensive line, you're going to probably get better because you look at what they got in Detroit. You know, you got Penesul, who's a pro bowler, all-pro.

You got Zeitler. You got Glassmow. you got Decker, you got Ragnar, you got, you know, Detroit has a very good offensive line. And so you're gonna have to get that up the part of Chicago because your quarterback took 60 plus sacks. That's too many Ocho. That's way too many sacks. Now all of it is not on the offensive line. Caleb Williams gonna have to do a better job

of getting rid of the football. It's okay to throw it away. Cause sometimes I think guys, they get caught up, oh Joe, well, I'm gonna mess up my completion percentage. Bro, throw that damn ball away. You don't want to be taking all those hits. Right, right. But I like the hire.

I'm sure they got money and cap space that they can improve this team. I love the hire by Ben Johnson. I got no qualms about that hire. He's put his time in as an offensive coordinator, as an offensive coach. I think it was the right time for him to get this job. So I really like the hire. I'm a little surprised that he went in the same division as his former boss.

Normally they get away away Ocho. Right. But hey, that was the best situation. I always thought that the Bears, for me, that was the best situation that was available. To me, I mean, other people and people like the Raiders, you know, cause Tom Rae didn't play a quarterback. Ain't nothing to work with over there, huh? Ain't nothing to work with over there. Ain't got no quarterback.

Yeah. So you understood that that was the best fit, especially for him and what he brings to the table. Yeah. I thought that was the best. I thought that the Jets, you got the Jets situation. You got a lot of stuff going on with the Jets. What other job is available, Ocho?

The Jets was available. The Saints? The Saints. Hopefully, AG get the saints or the jets. Um, I know, I think he, you know, he obviously, AG played with the jets. Hell, he played with the saints also. He was on the defensive side. He was on Sean Payton staff, uh, when he was at, at the saints.

So, but I, hopefully he gets one of these jobs. Um, it's going to be tough without a quarterback. You got to find a quarterback coach. Oh, without that, you don't really have a chance to have longevity. Your lease is going to be short. Lease is very short if you ain't got no quarterback. Well, our lease is short anyway. But anyway, that's not what's there.

We'll talk about that another day. Uh, but I like to hire. I like Ben Johnson hire. Chicago should be good. That's a very tough division, Ocho. You got young Corp. We'll see what Minnesota does with Sam Donnell. Do they move on?

Or do they elevate JJ McCarthy? Gonna be very interesting, cause you got Jordan Love, you got golf, you got Caleb Williams. So I like it. Cowboys have officially hired Brian Schottenheimer, who was their offensive coordinator last year. Jerry made the move and he was comfortable.

Now mind you, now remember the reports that came out, Jerry really liked Deon and Steven really wanted Brian. He really wanted, Jerry really liked Coach Prime, he really wanted Jerry really liked Coach Prime, but Steven Wu, they were really butt in the head. And I came over and said, Ocho, that's some bull shit. Everybody knew about some bull shit, but it was just something to smoke screen. Hey, we talked to Coach Prime, that's our monard. Hey, that's our one token.

Boom, we get on on we go with that and The Cowboys notably they didn't interview any of the top candidates the Ben Johnson Cliff Kingsbury couldn't talk because he was in the he was going week to week So you only had your you could only talk if you were in the right week. So Nagy Spagnola G Aaron Glenn none of the top candidates were interviewed by Jerry. Brian Schottenheimer, again, my only problem, Mocho, I don't have a problem. Chat, I don't want anybody to think

that I have a problem with the hire. But don't give me this bull job, you want somebody that call plays. Mike McCarthy called plays. See? We want somebody with previous head coaches experience. We want somebody that called plays.

Brian Schottenheimer has never been a head coach. He didn't call plays. That's neither here nor there. Ocho, what do you think about that? Obviously Jerry wants to continue his reign with power. He doesn't want to relinquish that power. He wants to be in control of everything. and he hired a coach that will fall in line with just that. And bring, you know what else, not to cut you off, bring Jason

Whitner. Oh yeah, yeah most definitely, most definitely. So again, Jerry getting in the way again, doing things his way. And the definition of insanity, chat, you stay with me now. The definition of insanity is doing things over and over and over in a way you see fit in expecting different results. The results have been the same for years, for years.

And you continuously do it. Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, now Mr. Schottenheimer, nothing is going to change until you remove yourself and get out the way and allow people to do their job. Not you trying to do multiple things at once. Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, not Brian Schottenheimer, all of them. Nothing changed. It's just different names, but nothing's changed.

Any of the people that you just called, were any of them challenging Jerry? Were any of them challenging Jerry? They don't know. My point exactly. And you let him feel your staff and you let him like, well, I want this guy to be on your defensive staff.

I want this guy to be on your offensive staff. No coaches gonna give that. No, no, no, they're not gonna do that. You pick. That's if it's one thing coach. I go to a company and I'm looking around, I'm gonna give them an opportunity. That don't mean I'm going to keep them. But if I like what I hear, I'll keep them. But I'm not going

to let you tell me what you got to keep this VP or you got to keep this CFO or you got to keep this CEO. No, hell nah. That ain't happening. But this hurt. Another thing, Ocho. Now one other team attempted to interview Brian Schottenheimer. Now all I wanna know is this, look, I'm gonna get me somebody somebody else won't. Cause if nobody else wanted that, you're trying to tell me something I don't know. Well, you gotta think about it now.

Look at the elephant in the room. Now the coaches that were available, we talk about good coaches. And also the coaches that were also available that could have come to Dallas, that could have interviewed in Dallas, wouldn't go for the Shenanigans. You think Ben Johnson's gonna stand down,

you're gonna tell Ben Johnson who we can bring on and who we can't? Aaron Glenn, I mean, obviously he wouldn't get the job. But anyway, you think Amory Glenn is gonna come to Dallas? You gonna tell Aaron Glenn what type of staff he can put together? But people believe he can work with Coach Belichick. Can you imagine him telling Coach Belichick, hey, I want Jason Whitten to come on and he gonna be your coach you're waiting.

Man, man, Belichick, man, Belichick, tear that goddamn, tear Jerry's world down. Absolutely not. You have to get out of your own way. You have to, you don't have a choice. He's been an offensive coordinator before. He's with the Jets for three years. His highest points per game, they were 13th.

He called for St. Louis, the highest points per game was 21st. He also called in Seattle, his highest points per game was sixth. In 2018, he had two, three top 10 offenses as far as points. He averaged 28.7, 25.3, 26.8. And then that ended.

And this was his first foray back as being a coordinator, correct? Okay. So he's been a coordinator. He's been a coordinator for 11 years. Handsome success. Orchestrated three top 10 offenses in Seattle. None in the top 20 in St. Louis, and none in three top 10 offenses in Seattle, none of the top 20 in St. Louis,

and none in the top 10 at the Jets. He was with the Jets for six years. He was with the Jets. He already did in those six. But he wasn't the coordinator though, was he? He was. He was? He was with the Walgreens.

Okay, okay, okay. So he was there with Rex. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. So we know those offenses back then, Ocho, was run the football, played behind the defense. It was more ground and pound. But his most success, it came in Seattle. He did have great success in Seattle with Russ.

16 points per game, ninth in points per game, eighth in points per game. That points per game, eight points per game. That's pretty good resume. But we know why he got the job. It's because Jerry wants someone that he can control. It's really that simple. There's no other, I'm not gonna make it a black white issue because I don't believe it's a black white issue.

It's a control issue. Jerry wants control. Jerry wants control because Jerry wants credit. None of the blame, but the control. Because this thing fell apart, I can't believe this happened. I'm shocked as anybody. No, you're not shocked as anybody.

You put this together. You should be the least shocked that it fell apart. But like you said, if you do what you've done, you get what you've always gotten. It's hard for me to believe I can be in a scenario. At some point in time, I'm going to change something. If I get the same results for 30 years, and my objective, but Jerry's a promoter, Jerry's not trying to win, Jerry's not fooling me. He might fool some of the fans in Dallas. And I think for the most part, they've even caught on Jerry's all about selling.

Jerry looks at it like anytime they're talking about me, that's good enough. We don't need to talk. They don't need to talk about me winning championship. They don't need to talk about me being that they're talking about me. So I'm in the news. That's good enough for him.

And I don't, I don't see it changing. They bring back the same cast. If you look at guys leave Dallas and play well, look at now, Neville Gallimore. He went to the Rams. Ball out. I'm just saying they make a trade for a guy in Carolina. They give a fourth round draft pick and the guy had how many catches? He might have had four catches.

You mean Mingo? Yes. Yeah, obviously. Man, listen, I don't know what Jerry is doing. I can't question it. I've been around football for a very long time. Obviously not as long as you have and not as long as he has. He's an owner.

He's a GM. Hell, he's every goddamn thing. obviously not as long as you have and not as long as he has. He's an owner. He's a GM. He's every goddamn thing. He just thinks his way always works. And the fact that he wants credit is just beyond me. You know, when you can look at the landscape at NFL with all the owners that consistently win all the other franchises where they win consistently, you know, the Packers, the Bills, the Chiefs, the Steelers. I mean, teams that have a rich history in winning,

you know, in the past. The Eagles, all the... Everybody going to the championship since these games. You don't see any of the owners, front and center, making decisions, you know, pigeon-holding head coaches, not allowing them to pick their staff, people that they work well with,

I mean, all that matters, all that matters. And the fact that control and credit is what he wants is ridiculous. And it's talking to the franchise. Jerry has, probably, let's just say for the. Jerry has, Jerry has probably, let's just say for the sake of it, let's just be safe. He owned 10 other businesses. How many of those businesses you think he has owned?

Probably none. None, because he doesn't know. But yet he thinks he knows football. Well, he's been around football the longest, so he feels like he knows it. Yeah, I've been around football the longest, so he feels like he knows it. Okay. Yeah. I've been around a plow. It doesn't make me a tracker. What the hell you talking about? Just cause you around something. Hey, as a matter of fact, Ocho, I'm sleeping in my garage tonight.

That don't make me a car. Yeah, that's a good one. I got you. I'm just trying to figure out what makes him think he knows just because you're around something. Hell, if somebody's gonna give me the scouting report, I can read off what they wrote down. You'll think Jerry going to the senior bowl and out there looking at Scott, got his notepad like, okay, guy got great pad level, drops his hip, great transition, change of direction. Oh, he bends the edge really well. I like the way he button press. Yeah, he don't know.

He, I mean, yeah, he not. Hell no! He not detailing sharp like that. Obviously. Hell no! But there are guys that do. What's the, what's the guy name that runs the Cowboys? Will, Will McClain. Will Clay. He knows. What's the guy's name that runs the Cowboys?

Will McClay. Will Cley. He knows. He writes the notes, gives them to Jerry, and they have a little selection, okay? Okay, and who do we think is gonna be available when we select, at the time we select? They give them a list of names. Everybody have their thing, well, Jerry, this is what we need. Okay, Jerry, this is time we select. They give them a list of names. Everybody have their thing.

Well, Jerry, this is what we need. Okay, Jerry, this is what we need. Bro, Michael Parsons fell in your lap. You ain't do nothing. C.D. fell in your lap. Come on, bro. That ain't nothing. They fell to you.

They had an agreement. Devontae Smith, the Eagles wanted Devontae Smith. They was like, hey, we'll trade up, just don't bother him. We'll let y'all trade. Okay, fine. Just don't select Parsons. You're not gonna select Parsons,

you're gonna take Devontae, right? Okay, boom. See, they filling their lap. All the other receivers were gone. So who are they gonna pick? They needed a receiver. Jetta was gone. Judy was gone.

Roz was gone. W Jetta was gone. Judy was gone. Roz was gone. Waddle was gone. Wow, he really went out of limb and got CD. I need a receiver. He the last one left. Oh no, my bad. No, yeah, cause Jaly Regal went before CD. Yeah, Regal went to Philly, right?

Philly, yes. So, Ocho, that ain't nothing. If a guy just fall in your lap, no, you wouldn't impress me. Do what Kansas City did. Zoom up the draft board and go get somebody. That's what's impressive. That lets me know, okay, they know what they're doing.

You didn't do that. So I just don't get it. Mingo has 17 catches for 167 yards all year. He had five catches for 64 yards when he arrived in Dallas and he played eight games. Played nine for Carolina. And they traded a fourth round pick for him right fourth or fifth traded a fourth round pick for that kind of production he doesn't know what he's doing on he may yes but there's no way he does it's not you know it's almost

it's it's it's almost like now. Hello, let's see, did, hold on, Ocho, did Justin Jefferson go before or after CD? He went to pick after? Yeah, he went after David Reiner too. Yeah. He went 20 seconds. He went to pick after? Yeah, he went after David right there too. He went 20 seconds. He went 20 seconds. Oh, so you saw, you went CD and Justin Jefferson went 20 seconds.

Check the numbers out. Look at the numbers between the two. But he know football. Not that CD is a bad, because CD is a number one receiver. Oh yeah, absolutely. But I don't know very many people that's taking CD over Jetta. I mean, listen. Maybe Cowboy fans, but I'm talking about if you poll, if you poll GMs, you poll all 32

GMs and says, okay, you got Jetta or you got CD? Because right now people are going to take Chase and Jetta, they won two. Both of those guys were unanimous first team All-Pros. There weren't a whole lot of unanimous first team All-Pros, but those two guys were two of them. And Jetta damn near been an All-Pro every year, except what last year he got Nick. He went over a thousand on to it missed like seven games hey you imagine what his numbers would have been if he had ain't nobody close to him his first three years his first four years his first five years nobody is close to those numbers now with the

season that uh uh uh chase had chase might have an opportunity to get him but he's gonna probably need another 14 50 hundred which is possible with his quarterback and that system. But Jerry don't know what he's doing, man. And like I said, I don't got no problem with Brian Schottenheimer. I'm just saying this notion that he's scouring and he's trying to get the best man for the job, I don't believe he's doing that.

I don't believe he's ever done that. Now, since Jerry, he's not gonna get a chat, cowboy fans, Jerry is not going to get anybody that's going to offer him some resistance. Brian, let me tell you what Brian Shottenheimer doesn't have. Any say on the final 53, any say in free agency, any say in the draft. And all those are things that the head coach should have some type of say or control over.

Just basically almost like, I guess what, if they still have arranged marriages. Hold on, I'm the one that gotta be with this lady. I need to know, you try to tell me what I want. I know what I want. Jerry is, this is an arranged marriage. Jerry is telling you, he's picking players, telling you what you need as opposed to what you want or what would best

or what would fit best to the system. Now is them coming back? I mean, I had the, as far as I know, see, that's another thing. What if Brian Charton, how about what high is on DC? shot in Harborwood High's own DC. Mm-hmm. Now, that's crazy. I mean, listen, it's crazy the way things are run.

Obviously, Jerry has the power. We understand that. He's going to exercise that right and that power at every turn and every chance he gets. Every chance and every turn that Jerry gets. He's killing his own franchise. He's killing his own franchise. He's killing his own team. Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots

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you get your podcasts. Pete Carroll was hired as head coach of the Raiders. Pete Carroll and the Raiders have reached an agreement on a three year deal with a team option for fourth. When the regular season start, Carroll will become the oldest person to ever serve as head coach in the NFL. He turned 74 in September. The previous record was held by Romeo Crinell, who was 73 when he served as interim head coach of the Houston Texans. Ocho, do you like this movie? I mean, it's Pete Carroll. I like Pete Carroll. Pete's resume, you know, it speaks for itself what he's done. He's a Super Bowl winning head coach. Again, when I look at what he has

to work with over and in Las Vegas, I'm not sure why he would want to. Maybe he he knows something we don't know. Maybe he knows some, you know, he has some cooking. Is one of 32.

What you talking about? What do you want? A with 32 of those jobs? I know, but still, I mean, just just going to take a job knowing that your lease is gonna be short, knowing that you don't have the most important position on your team, on that team that matters, be able to compete and contend in that.

Do you know what comfort division he's in? Yes, AFC West. AFC West, Broncos, Chargers. Chargers, yeah, all of them got quarterbacks. Everybody got quarterbacks for the next decade. Exactly. So I'm not sure. He got to be thinking about some.

He must be cooking up something with Mark Davis. I don't know what to be. Ocho, let me ask you this. And Chad, y'all could help me. You understand. You 70 years old. This 32-year-old thing, she nice, got long hair. You 70 years old, this 32 year old thing, she nice, got long hair, she got, ooh, skin.

Ooh. Yeah. Built stack like dirty laundry in a door now. Hair down her back, and when she steps, she'll step her. Y'all know what I'm talking about, she'll step her. Y'all go see if she gonna have on YSL. She'll have on Tom Ford. She'll have on them blood bottles.

Everything is immaculate. And she's interested in you. You taking that. Pete Carroll said about to be 74. How many jobs do you think he gonna get in the NFL at the age of 70? I like when you're going with it. I like to listen when you put it like that,

when you give me that kind of analogy, I like when you're going with it. But everything you just said, you know? You talk about Tom Ford, you know, yeah, you know, that the nice shoes and she's a stepper. Well, everything you just described in that woman, ain't the goddamn Las Vegas Raiders. It don't go together. You know, now the Las Vegas Raiders is the one where your homeboy say, hey boy, I sharp I need someone to take one for the team tonight, man. Oh, no, never.

The one I got, you know, she's a 10, man. Her friend, she say she had to bring her friend with her. Now her friend is only a six, but you gon' take one for her. Now that, the Las Vegas Raiders. What you guys explain is like getting ready to be the head coach for the Chiefs or something. But you have to understand though, Ocho, she's so interesting. She ain't gotta have on nothing. She might come out the house with Crocs. She might come out the house with that She's 32. Curry. Hold on, hold on.

She's 32, Curry Hot. Hold on, hold on. Let me get my visuals together now. How tall we talking? How tall we talking? She's somewhere between five, seven and five, nine. I'm gonna do you one better. I'm gonna do you one better,

because we both tall. Let's just make a five, five, five, nine, five, 10. So when she put some heels on, we call her Amazon. 32, got a nice job, she make six figures, low six figures. When you see her out, she ain't got nothing on her. She carrying Louis all the time. She got her own, got her own crib, got her own car. And you gotta be careful now.

Because everything you describe right now as a woman, she talk back. That's okay. Hey, I listen to you. She talk, I listen. I don't know if you talking about old joke. Hey, I'm about to be fit yourself. Man, I ain't fit you all that.

I'll pass that stage old joke, where I got to where the pass, I'm about to be fit yourself. Man, I ain't fit to do all that. I'll pass that stage, Ochoa, where I got to where to pass and I just gotta be my way. Oh no. She talked back, you know what? You right. I didn't wanna go over there. Why didn't you tell me this yesterday? I like it, I like it.

Listen, I understand where you at. Listen, you're in a different phase in your life. You have to understand. You don't have to fight. It's not like he's Ben Johnson. See, yeah, Tom Brady wanted Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson, I ain't got no quarterback. Yeah. Ideally, would I like to be in the same division? No, but I got a quarterback over here. I got skill position players over here. I got a lot of cap space and I can build. Guess what? I got a quarterback on a rookie contract.

So I can put some pieces around it. You got a little time. You got about two more years. Got two more years? Two years. So with that being said, Ocho, but Pete being about to be 74, think about it. In the history of the game, there's only one other coach.

Romeo was 73 and he was intro. Wasn't head, he wasn't, you know, that wasn't somebody hired him and gave him the job. He just took over. So for me, for Pete, it's a no-brainer. Now Pete can build a team. We saw what he did with Seattle, but Russ came to him in the third round. I think Russ was a third round draft pick and we saw a team. We saw what he did with Seattle, but Russ came to him in the third round.

I think Russ was a third round draft pick and we saw what happened. They had a great defense. They built that thing. They had B-Wag, they had Sherm, they had Chancellor, they had Earl, they had Malcolm Smith, they had Bennett, they had Cliff Averill, they had Red,

they had a squad. Russ come in, remember now they assigned Matt Flynn in free agency from Green Bay. He was expected. They gave him $10 million guaranteed out of $30 million contract, $10 million signing bonus. And he never touched the field.

Russ beat him out in camp. Crazy how that work. Hey, and maybe they can, maybe he can strike light. He understands, but see the thing is Ocho, he understands he's been a head coach. A lot of different stuff. He's head coach at the Jets. He's head coach at the Patriots, head coach at Seattle, head coach here, head coach at USC.

And if you look at what he did, USC was USC was not winning before Pete got there. He put USC back on the map. Now, you know, I want to remember when USC had that juggernaut late 60s through the 70s. They were hell, they were loaded. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I mean, you got to think about it. They had Charles White and Marcus Allen.

Ronnie Lott, Dennis Smith, Joey Brown, all those guys. So they were really, Len Kane, all those guys within that backfield. They were really good. Munoz. Yeah. Yeah. I think Don Mosbar was on that team.

They were loaded. But Pete knows how to build a team. But at the end of the day, if you look at the teams, when he's had his best, most success knows how to build a team. But at the end of the day, if you look at the teams when he's had his best, most success, he's gotta pull it back. Always. It matters.

And without him, so Russ and Pete, hey, Russ, Pete reunite in Oakland? I mean, in Vegas? You mean Russ? Russell Wilson. Ooh, that's a good one. That's a good one. I like what you're thinking. That's a possibility. I'm not sure. I am not sure.

Damn, that's a good one. A quarterback that you're familiar with, a quarterback that you won a Super Bowl with, you know, but there were some issues internally. a quarterback that you're familiar with, a quarterback that you want to super bowl with, but there were some issues internally. Are you sure you want to go back on that? Nah, bro, I see, Pete was like, I see diminishing skills. Nah, bro, I ain't really trying to give you 200 plus. Russ said, bro, I,

and you know, hey, spend the block. Yeah. You know, sometimes the thing be so bad, don't show you got a choice, but it's been blocked. I don't, that ain't what I said I was gonna do. But sometimes that's what you have to do. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, you know, I'm not going to go outside. but sometimes that's

what you have to do. Hey, you know that the hey, have your age plus seven minus three. so that's why I come forward. That's that you know that's my box. Yes, sir. I stay right here. I ain't going outside of it. You know, side to side, side to side right here, but I ain't going outside that box.

Okay, maybe. Hey, depending on who it is, maybe. You know what I'm talking about? You know what I'm talking about, Ojo. You know what I'm saying, Ayds. Sometimes you know, hey. Oh, Joe, you know what I'm saying? Hey, it's sometime, you know, hey, like, hey, your boy, 27, a 37 different. It's different. Listen, you know, it's good. You know, it's good about us is really understanding and realizing we're not.

Yes, we're not the same as we were as we know! We understand what we're capable of doing at our age now. The things we did in our teens and 20s and 30s, man, we ain't pulling that shit, we not pulling that shit off at this age. No, no, no, I ain't, look, I ain't finna grab no 25 year old like I could when I was 32, 33. I already know that.

Right now, Ocho, I'ma win I can, not when I want to. You see what I'm saying, Ocho? I'ma win I I can not when I want to you see those head Oh Joe, I'm a when I can not what I want to understand that chat understand stay with me now stay with me There's a difference between the two you know what you know what you got you got self-awareness No, it's not awareness is so important, but it's lacking in Sonya So many of our men today is lacking in so many of our men today. It's lacking in so many of our men. You know what I'm saying? You can keep up and do some of the things you did when you were young.

No, no, I'm a, hey, I'm who I am, about to be eight, six months, 57. Now I don't look it, I still, I'm in shape, you know, I eat my veggies and do my abs, but hey, at the end of the day, they hit that Google. Damn. Damn. Unh, 57? Yeah, unh, 57. Hey, so, hey, Ocho, you know, sometimes you have to catch a strike

when you come out the supermarket. You know what I'm saying? Hey, I'm leading on the wall, Ocho. Listen. I'm leading on the wall. Wait, no, what am I? Hey, it's the ninth inning. It's the ninth inning, it's two strikes and three balls. What you gonna do now? Four quarter, two minute drive. Hey, you sit in your car for a little while, watch her go in and out. Okay.

Hey, Ocho, she look as desperate as I am. The Jacksonville Jaguars are finalizing a deal to hire Buck's offensive coordinator, Liam Cohen as their next head coach. The move comes after Cohen agreed to an extension with the Buccaneers and removed himself from the consideration for the Jags job. Cohen met with Jaguars on Thursday to discuss the vacancy despite the news of his return to Tampa, which would have made him the highest paid coordinator in NFL history.

Jacksonville reportedly reached out to Cohen after the team fired Trent Bunkie to see if he would reconsider the offer. And after their talks, it appears Jacksonville has their guy. Well, I like it. I like it. I like it. And the fact that the fact that he chose to leave, even though the bucks were going to make him the highest paid off of the coordinator, you know, they will make it by day. We'll make more than we were going to make.

How do you figure he can make at least $7 million with the Jags, the highest paid coordinator probably make him make $3 million. We remember we just talked about Spagnolo making 3.5. I know that's what I'm just saying, but if they're telling him to leave the job, we want you to reconsider, I'm sure allow him to reset the market on whatever it is. No, they're going to ask him to reconsider. No, the Jags ask him to reconsider. So they're gonna give him a head coaching job, which would probably be somewhere around 7 million. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers was only gonna give him 3 million, 3, 4 million dollars. Okay, okay. Yeah. No, I'm just saying, okay, I had it backwards, but I knew he was leading. Right, right. Nobody's gonna go. Yes, absolutely. And look, and you're over everything.

You know, you're responsible. I mean, the head coach comes with a lot of responsibilities. You're not responsible for one side of the ball. You're responsible for the whole ball. Offense, defense, special teams. When we're going to practice. What time we're going to meet. Okay.

What's the training? You know, I'm saying as far as weight schedule. Okay. And your players. What time do, uh, what's the, uh, the training, you know, saying as far as weight schedule, okay. We injured players. What time did they have to be there? How long the meeting gonna last last? What time are we going to leave Ocho for road trips? Where are we going to stay? All that goes on the head coaches.

Uh, so congratulations. I mean, I hate it for Baker because Baker had really under his guidance. Yeah. He was Baker was Baker had Baker had looked like the Baker that they took that the reason why they took it with the number one overall pick, I think in 2016, the last two years he showed you why. And a lot of that had to do, I believe had to do with Liam Cohen, not to say Baker doesn't have talent because obviously you go first overall,

you got talent, but I think he had found someone that believed in him that had an offense that was really catered to what he does really well. He had nice quality receivers outside with Mike Evans, even though Chris Godwin got hurt this year, the young guys had come along. I love the running backs that they got, but I hate this. I hate this for Baker, but I'm excited for someone to get an opportunity to be a head coach because Hey, last two years, he's done a great job as an OC for Tampa and

he's getting rewarded for his hard work. Oh yeah. That's dope. So what do you think, Ocho? You, you like to move? Absolutely. Absolutely. Listen, if he can do, if, if,? You like to move? Absolutely. Absolutely. Listen, if he can do, if he can do, if he can do what he did for Baker,

imagine what he would do for Trevor Lawrence. Baker Mayfield had Mike Evans. Now young, young bullies are stirred over there in Jacksonville now. Chad, I don't know if y'all paid attention to Brian Thomas Jr. But he's the reason he's in the Pro-P. but he's the reason he's in the Pro Bowl. There's a reason he's in the Pro Bowl. So that magic he had in Tampa with Baker and Mike Evans has always been Mike Evans,

but I'm sure he can create that same magic between Trevor Lawrence and get him turned around, you know, after getting that huge payday and Brian Thomas Jr. There go your security blanket right there. Every two, there go your security blanket right there. Every day your security bank right there. Travis. Yeah. And then we're your security blanket right now.

Take bigsby. I think you probably do a little bit more with the offensive line. Sure. That up. I think they got a pretty good defense. Maybe look at look at a corner. Look at a look. You got a high draft pick. You got a quarterback.

You don't need a quarterback. I wouldn't spend a high draft pick on a wide receiver. I wouldn't spend a high draft pick. You got a quarterback, you don't need a quarterback. I wouldn't spend a high draft pick on a wide receiver. I wouldn't spend a high draft pick on a tight end. I don't know if there's any one that's worthy to be selected. Is there an offensive lineman that's worthy of a pick that high? Probably not. Maybe a defensive lineman, maybe a DB. But yeah, you got Trevor Lawrence, you got Brian Thomas Jr. You got, uh, Evan Ingram, you got Tank Bigsby, uh, uh, you got Trevor ATN.

I mean, uh, uh, yeah, ATN. So you got some nice quality pieces, but you gotta have to protect, you gonna have to protect Trev and he's gonna have to do a job of protecting himself. They have the number one pick, right? No, Tennessee has the number one pick. Okay. That means Shadoor, the Chidor is going first then. Jacksonville's at five.

So let me see, it's, Chidor probably go first to Tennessee. The second would be... I think Cleveland's at two. Then Cam Ward would probably go two. And who were in New England is three, right? No. Giants are three.

New England's four. Jacksonville's five. Yeah, that might, that might be a shocker right there too, at three. I'm, I'm. The question is, what is, would Tennessee be moving to move down? Is there somebody that's in the draft that Tennessee says we must have, and we don't believe he'll be available

if we slide down to three, four, five, six, seven? That's the question, Ocho, because the question is, are Tennessee one player away, Ocho, or do you need multiple? Multiple. Okay, if I can slide down and get next year's first rounder, get a, maybe pick up a second or third this year, and a second and third next year,

and in 27 maybe get a fourth, I think that's the best option, because I don't think any of these teams are one player away now, obviously everybody's not gonna slide down but If I can if I can if I can slide down on Joe and really really really build I Think I don't see anyone sliding down especially with the players that that we have one that are slotted in the mountain Dras to go top five. I don't see any team coming out of those. No. Should Mark Draft, Ocho, Shadour Sanders, one, Tennessee, Abdul Carter, the edge rusher out of Penn State, two, Cam Ward, quarterback out of Miami. Three, Travis Hunter, the all purpose, all do it all.

Wide receiver, cornerback, New England. Mason Graham, D-line, Michigan. Will Johnson, quarterback, Michigan. Will Campbell, offensive lineman, OT, Jets. Now this is just a mock, obviously, clearly Tennessee needs a court. Now, you know, listening to them talk today, they're like, hey, we're willing to bring Will Leavitt back,

but kind of informed them that there's gonna be competition. We know what that means. And maybe that would be a good thing for Will. Maybe that'd be a good thing. Having someone that can help, that can force you to compete at a high level, you know, to force you to minimize your mistakes. Because, you know, when you got somebody looking over your shoulder,

they can do two things. They can either make you or they can break you. That's a lot of pressure when you know you can't make no mistakes. When you're trying to play mistake-free football, then you start to press. You start to press. I mean, listen, that ain't a good thing. It depends on how he's built mentally. I agree.

I think the thing is, Ocho, is that AP did a disservice to the Raiders by winning that game because they slid down from one all the way to six. So there's a possibility that you could lose out on Cam Ward and Shador. service to the Raiders by winning that game. Cause they slid down from one all the way to six. So there's a possibility that you could lose out on Cam Ward and Shador. Listen, listen on in the war room, you never know what's going to happen. You never know what goes on. They have those phones in there for a reason. So maybe something may happen, you know, before the draft or during the draft. And maybe somebody comes up and

snatches the player that they want on their board to make sure he doesn't get away. Well, they really don't have a whole lot of tradeable pieces. The one piece they got is Crosby. Max C Cosby. That's the one piece that everybody would be willing to give up a first round pick or multiple picks for. I don't see anybody else on that roster that they would be willing to give that up for. Brock Bauer's, but they're not trading Brock Bowers. Hell no. But Max Crosby is the only one that I see that has the capital attached to him

that somebody would be willing to give up. He's the most valuable. He and Brock Bowers are the most valuable pieces. Well, clearly they're not trading Brock Bowers. But I don't think the Raiders are one player away. But they need damn quarterback. That's what they need. They absolutely need a quarterback.

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Podcasts and you will be glad you did. Hope you could join us for the postseason run Mark Andrews publicly apologized for dropping the ball on what would have been a game-tying two-point conversion. It is impossible to adequately express how I feel. I'm absolutely gutted by what happened on Sunday. I'm devastated for my teammates, my coaches, and Ravens fans. I pour every ounce of my being into playing at the highest level possible because I love my team and I love the game of football

like nothing else. That is why it's taken me until now to collect my thoughts and address this publicly. Even though the shock and disappointment are unlike anything I've felt before, I refuse to let this situation define me. I promise that this adversity will only make me stronger and fuel us as we move forward.

I thank everyone that has shown me and our team genuine support these past several days. Despite the negativity, I've seen heartfelt love and encouragement, including from those who have generously donated to the Breakthrough T1D organization. Even when the moment seemed darkest, perspective can reveal that there is still a lot of light in this world.

I'm now going to do my part to bounce back and contribute to it. Hashtag God bless. Ocho, was this necessary? No. No, not at all. Not at all. There's nothing you can do. There's no point of, you know, writing writing an apology. There are ups and downs, there are obstacles, there are hurdles in a game. You don't owe anybody on the outside of that locker room an apology.

You talk to your players, you talk to your teammates, you talk to your coaches. You know, and you let them know how you feel. There is no need to apologize publicly to everyone that hasn't put in the work you've done. They're not there in training camp with you. They're not there at meetings with you. No, they're not bleeding with you. They're not going to war out there with you. Now they do support you because they are fans of the team.

Any apologies should be had within that team to individual players and nobody else if that's what you see fit in doing. But that's the birth of brotherhood. Yes. You know, they're not going to keep talking trash about you and all may you just know. It happens, Ocho. I mean, I remember Ernest Biner and I EB I know EB I mean new EB a long time. He was in Baltimore when I was there. He stayed in contact with him

He's from the ball. He's running into the end zone. Oh Joe. Yeah, he had a touchdown They would have put the boot and put the Browns in front of the Broncos and got pulled it out. Mm-hmm. It happens. Yeah It happens. Look at Billy Buckner. The ball went right through his legs. Magic Johnson had a situation they used to call it. They called him tragic. He had a chance to win the game. Right. He drove the timeout.

They lost it over time. He was a two time finals NBP. So fans are going to try and look, I don't care what you done. Yeah, they're turning you quick, man. They're turning you quick. Their loyalty is not with you. Their loyalty is there with you simply because you're part of. You on their team, they root for.

Yeah, that's it. And that is it. I just say the thing, if he came out, he'd come out much better. Just, hey, I'm devastated, guys. We had an opportunity to tie this game up. I like our chances from that point on and just left it. But Ocho, you can't run. You can't run.

You don't have to say anything. You ain't about running. No, Ocho, you've got to speak after the media. Oh, let me ask you a question. Had he called it and they won, do you think Mark Andrews would have spoken? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, he, oh, he. Why? You said he don't have to speak. Oh, I mean. No, I'm saying, right, that written letter that like, like,

we've got that's not necessary. You got Ocho. This is why I'm a right that written letter that like the like the we've got that's not necessary you got Ocho This is why I'm a firm believer. You have to be able to handle adversity the same way you know, right? Yeah, prosperity. I didn't realize success. Yeah, I didn't realize you didn't speak to the media I he didn't speak he didn't speak after the game and he didn't speak on the exit in yeah See, yeah, I mean but the whole the letter thing that's like, yeah, I write no letter. I don't point in the exit. Yeah. See, I mean, but the whole, the letter thing, that's like. Yeah, I ain't writing a letter. I ain't no point for all that, man. I mean, I might write that thing to my boot thing. He had a great season.

Mark Antony. Yes. Mark Antony dropped four passes this season, huh? He dropped four passes all year long. It just so happened they came at the wrong time. Two of them. Yes. The Humble came at the wrong time. Yes. No. It happens though, Ocho. I think after that first drop, you know, everything else was in his head after that.

But here's the thing, even on the first drop the game. This is what everybody remembers. The fumble, Buffalo went down and got points out of that. The two point conversion, you know, they weren't able to get the onside. Now there was a minute and 33 seconds with two timeouts. Now you're going to have to ask your defense. We'll never know. Maybe the defense gets a turnover and they score and they win the game. Maybe, hey, they go down and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and Buffalo kick a field goal and they win the game 30 to 27.

We'll never know, but you have to be able to handle, you have to be able to have adversity the same way you have a success because it's not what happens to you that determines what, what do you do? What's that happens to you? And I believe Mark Andrews has made of the right stuff. You don't have the success that he's had in this league. He's been an all pro. He's been a pro bowl player.

He's been Lamar Jackson's most reliable weapon since he's been in Baltimore. We can't, we, there's no denying that. And Zay Flowers had an unbelievable season But since Lamar's been there and Mark Andrews has been there Mark Andrews has been his most reliable weapon And I can imagine I also I've been there I dropped the pass that would have given the Broncos home field throughout the playoffs I'd say if I'm ever in that situation again, ain't happening. Well, five years, six years later, I'm in that situation. Third and eight.

Yeah. In the situation in Baltimore, third and 18. Right. Mark, I promise you, you come back and make a play next year to win a game, win a playoff game. Just keep your head up, bro. You're strong. You're a great player.

You're going to be up there with all the other greats with the Ray Lewis is in the subs and Ed Reed, the Peter Bowe, where the Mike McQuarrie, the Jonathan Ogden's, you're going to be up there. You're gonna be all right. You're gonna be up there, yep, you're gonna be okay. So, pick your head up, I know it's hurting. I know it hurts, bro. I know it hurts because of the finality of it.

Man, what could have been? You're so close. But bro, you'll be okay. I promise you, you're gonna be okay, and it's tough. You know, all your teammates say, Oh Joe, they tried to tell okay. And it's tough. You know, all your teammates say, Ocho, they try to tell you the right thing, man. You know, man, hey, man, it ain't your fault. We win together, we lose together.

But see, you're letting that knock, bro. No, they're difficult on you. That's what I hate. But see, that was different with us. Because I remember we lost to the Giants, Ocho, in 98. We were 13, we were 13 and three. Played on a Saturday. And we take the lead, we weren't playing well.

TD was really sick, but TD gave us an outstanding effort. I think TD might have had 150 yards. TD was sensational. Man, they go 87 yards in three plays. Man, we get on the bus, you know, everybody head down. I walk by to do the game, they tell us down, like, you know, everybody head down. Quiet. I walk by the dude again, that touchdown. Like, you cost us just undefeated Caesar.

Damn. Damn, huh? Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. Oh, oh, yeah, we were like that on show. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, Lee. Yeah. Oh, Tim McCaw.

I said, oh, yeah, you like to cost us. You like, hey, you like to fill out like you did in Pittsburgh Mm-hmm. No, oh, no But we had well, oh Joe we had that type of relationship with the guys Oh, we had no problem you drop a pad or you gave up something. Oh, yeah, you had no. Oh, yeah, you go here by the Oh Yeah. Oh, yeah for sure for sure Yeah, you gonna hear about it. Yeah, they on you.

Oh yeah. Oh yeah, for sure. For sure. But you, hey, me, hey Burns, that was, oh, we gonna keep you humble. Oh, oh, especially Ocho, you know what I'm saying, you gave up plays in the game, but come practice, you Deon.

You all work up. Do that in the game. All work up. Oh, you got me, you got me locked up. You up there talking, you doing this all in the game. Oh, oh, oh you got me. You got me locked up You open talking you doing this all in my face Why did you do that on Sunday? Oh Yeah, okay, yeah Hey, we can let we can they we can't let you get too high. We got to keep you right here

We got to keep you right here. I said cuz we keep you right here. Oh Joe. Yeah We gotta keep you right here. We gotta keep you right here. Cause if we keep you right here, Ocho. We know we can have you. You start feeling good about yourself and all of a sudden you start bulljiving. No, we gotta keep you level. And so, yeah, I wouldn't have written no letter. Me personally, Ocho, that's him.

That's how he handled it. I would have been mad enough to stand up there in front of of the, yeah, I let my team down today guys. I did. If somebody would have told me, I was gonna have an opportunity to atone for the fumble by catching a two-point conversion and giving our team an opportunity to potentially take this thing to overtime.

No chance. That's all I could ask for. All you want is an opportunity to be in that situation. Cause a lot of times, you don't even get an opportunity to be in that situation to catch a game changing play or a game winning play. Moments like that come around every so often. Every so often though, it don't happen all the time. Now, it's fortunate enough because of the team he's playing for,

they're going to always be in contention and he's going to always be making place for the March action. Yes. So he's going to be all right. He's going to be all right. Victory goes to the man that's prepared. Luck they call it. The Volume. Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with the Stars. So where else are you going to

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