Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Best of QB talk
Episode Date: October 26, 2024Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top QB stories from this season so far. Top stories include New Orleans Saints DE Cam Jordan declaring Drew Brees as the GOAT, Pittsburgh Stee...lers Russell Wilson’s future as QB1, Washington Commanders rookie QB Jayden Daniels having an MVP season and much more!03:16 - Daniel Jones isn’t meeting expectations11:05 - Cam Jordan says Drew Brees is the GOAT17:06 - Drake Maye has had the same girlfriend since he was 12 years old22:00 - Russell Wilson’s future as QB123:40 - Jayden Daniels’ great season26:18 - Andy Dalton or Bryce Young?32:00 - Deshaun Watson’s performance overall this year37:17 - Anthony Richardson injury-prone(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Don't jump on us too bad.
Daniel Jones is terrible.
Don't jump on us too bad, please.
Ocho, Ocho.
Oh, okay, Ocho.
No, Daniel Jones is terrible. Oh Joe. The first player third
quarter. They run a great play fake slate slate and runs a
great dig route. Yeah, he's wide open and he skips the ball to
it. Oh Joe that is that is the most routine. He has no
pressure. He had a great ball fake slate and runs a great
route. Oh Joe you gotta if youton runs a great route. Oh, Joe, you gotta
if you can't complete the
routine. Yeah, how are you
gonna how are you gonna win?
How?
Why would you retreat? You in
field goal range? Why would you
retreat and throw the ball up
in the
morning?
Oh, that's that's high. Yeah,
that's basic. But yeah, yes but yes, that is so rooted.
I shouldn't even have to tell you.
First of all, you never roll
and then throw back across your body.
You never retreat and throw the ball up
in the middle of the field.
This is an NFL professional quarterback
and he makes the most
boneheaded plays that a high school player is taught not to do. Now there's one person that's worse than him.
A junior high player is taught not to do.
There's one quarterback in the NFL that's worse than him.
You played down there in Tennessee.
Who is that?
Yeah, yeah.
When we talk about bonehead play, you just cannot do.
Not even giving you a chance or opportunity to win,
but I don't mean to veer off track,
but Daniel Jones didn't play very well tonight.
He didn't give his team a chance to win
with some of the throws that he did make.
You are correct.
He might've been seeing ghosts though.
He might've been seeing ghosts,
cause it does happen.
When you get hit enough,
you get sacked enough,
you get rattled,
you start doing things you don't normally do that are routine.
It makes the routine things difficult.
Yeah.
But I think the thing is Ocho, I just think your team is like really inconsistent.
And the problem that you're going to have is that your defense isn't very good.
Now you got away with one tonight because their offense is worse than your defense. But when you play a team that can put
points on the board, I don't know how many games you're going to win.
If you play an offense that you score 17 points.
We're a team that can put points on the board. We've scored 30, 30, we had
30 balls the past two weeks in a row. That's why I don't understand what
the hell happened tonight.
But here's the thing.
You remember against Washington,
how many times did you kick field goals in the red zone?
That's what got you beat against the commanders.
Last week, you got the ball, you scored what, five times,
but when you needed it, you threw it in a section late.
You had the Chiefs on the rope, you fumbled a ball,
they get a scoop and score.
It seems your offense at the most inopportune times
are not doing what they need to get done.
Going up and down the field, you should be pleased.
The one thing you should be pleased with the night, Ocho,
is that when it was a 10-7 ball game
and they got the ball back, they went down and got seven.
You should be pleased with that
because when a team can take the ball
and says we're not going to give it back to you.
Or if we do give it back, you're going to be down two scores.
You should be very, very pleased with that.
That is the mark of a team that says, okay, let's, if we can just shut them down a
little bit on defense, defense, I'm not saying you got to be the 2000 Raven, but
damn, you can't give up 41.
You can't give up 33 or whatever they gave up
against the commanders.
But when you play the Giants,
if you don't put the ball in harm's way,
their offense can't consistently move the ball
well enough to beat you because of that quarterback play.
Now they can dress it up all they want to
and talk about it's the offensive line
and those receivers.
He is not a good NFL quarterback.
It's really that simple.
The money aside, I don't care about the money.
Hell, he's not a good quarterback for $20 million a year
because the routine throws he can't make consistently.
What'd you think?
What?
He's not a good quarterback for how much a year? 20 million, 15?
He's not, I mean, he just, it's just hard to win.
Yeah, you're right.
Every team is 32 teams in NFL and every team in just a quarterback away,
a quarterback away from being good, a quarterback away from being in contention,
a quarterback away of consistent quarterback play away from just
being able to build and get your franchise going in the right
direction, but the thing about the quarterback position
as we know and you know and those that are not casual casual fans of the game know that position is very difficult.
It's a reason why they command the money that they do do.
It's a reason they command the money, um, not command the money, but when the
timing is off, sometimes you just have to pay a person because there's nothing
out there for you.
There's nothing else to go get.
They had no choice but to pay Daniel Jones at the time when it was time to pay him.
I mean, where were you going?
There was nowhere else to go.
That's what I call timing being right.
The timing was right.
There were no other options and he was the best option for you.
But see, that's when you ignore what you had seen the previous two and a half years
and you base everything on one season. They made the playoffs, but what did the previous two and a half years and you base everything what on one season they made the playoffs.
But what did the previous two seasons tell you?
So you ignore that and say, this is who he is.
So you have a large sample size of who somebody is, but you take the small
sample size is almost like being a relationship.
Your girl is give you her as the kids except on your birthday.
And you say, this was my baby.
But what about the other, what about the other 364?
So what about the large sample size
in which you've seen Daniel Jones play
and you've seen the inefficiency
and you've seen the ineffectiveness.
Now we're gonna disregard that.
We're just gonna say, this is who he is
and this is who he can be.
Nah.
It's hard though.
It's hard.
It's hard.
You know how difficult it is to find quarterbacks. Quarterbacks, good quarterbacks that you can't be. It's hard though. It's hard. It's hard. You know how difficult it is to find quarterbacks. Good quarterbacks
that you can win with quarterbacks that can play
their system week in and week out. That **** is it's hard.
And it and they paid 40 million dollars and they still have a
fine one. You can win just as many games as they're going to
win with a guy that makes
10 million. Yeah. Can you not? Yeah. And see the thing is, oh, Joe, he plays just well
enough. Yes. You like me flashes is that that that. Okay. That's why we pay. And then it goes back to, no, something ain't right.
Inconsistency.
We are, we are what we repeatedly do.
Therefore it's not a singular act.
It is a habit.
What do you repeatedly do?
If you look at Daniel Jones' body of work, what has he repeatedly done?
Play bad.
He has more instances in which he's played
bad, inconsistent, ineffective than he has
playing good, being effective.
You just said something really, really,
really profound.
It's very simple,
but we are what we repeatedly do, huh?
It's very simple, but we are what we repeatedly do, huh?
Yes, therefore it is not a singular act. Boy, I knew that one.
Habits are what we repeatedly do.
Not singular acts.
That's a good one.
It was real simple and it almost got away from me,
but I had to rewind it and bring it back in and replay it.
That's a good one.
Cam Jordan believes that the greatest quarterback
of all time is Drew Brees, not Tom Brady.
Jordan shared his hot take on Armand St. Brown's podcast
saying Drew Brees is the best quarterback of all time.
There's no, there's nobody who has the completion
percentage that Drew has. There's nobody that has the five most 5,000 yard season that Drew has.
It took Tom Brady an extra two years to break Breeze's record. If you're talking about
accomplishments, yes Tom Brady. But if you want to look at stats, pat your stats. Okay put your
stats because Drew got those. When he left, there were so many records,
so many that he owned.
Now after Tom retired, Tom Brady played another two years
and broke most of them, I believe.
I like the argument.
I like the argument.
You taking Drew over Payton?
Hell nah, I mean, listen, I love the argument.
This is Cam Jordan.
He's going to take up for, listen, I love the argument. This is Cam Jordan. He's going to take a fourth quarterback.
I like the argument.
Then we talk about Drew B's still one of the best.
One of the best all time, no matter what.
But now we're comparing him to the greatest of all time.
So now you got a little bit too much dip on your chip.
Cam, I love you.
I love you.
I love you.
I love how you can find ways to
Yeah, he's both right with your quarterback.
In and share the light to where you feel he's better than Tom Brady. But that's
just not the case. No matter how you try to splice it, no matter what numbers you
use, no matter what percentages you may use, Tom Brady is the best ever played.
no matter what percentages you may use, Tom Brady's the best they ever played.
There's not, I don't know if there ever gonna be
a situation where voters, people,
would Drew over Tom Brady.
Hold on, if you used to have voters, people,
who else would? I just don't see a scenario.
Now I'm just saying, I don't see a scenario where you know, you're like, yeah.
And it's not a bad thing.
Now we talk about Drew, Drew's still one of the best of all time.
No.
But then you're comparing them to the greatest of all time.
So then there's a little bit of disconnect.
Your Wi-Fi ain't got all the goddamn bars.
Right.
Right. Right.
I agree.
But I think,
had, right.
And you look at Drew's completion percentage,
you look at those 5,000 yard seasons,
had he had more Super Bowl appearances,
now we could have an argument.
He has to, he has an MVP.
Now we can have an argument. But with to he has an MVP. Now we can have an argument but with one Super Bowl appearance
one Super Bowl MVP. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how we get there Ocho and he had like I said
the completion percentage I think when he complete 70 percent of his passes he had four or five
five thousand yard seasons and you yeah, he did have what?
Yacht passing yardage.
I think he might've had the touchdown record,
but you needed a few more.
I mean, let's just say he has three,
or he has two or three.
Let's just say he has two Super Bowls, three MVPs.
That would be like, okay.
I don't think he quite get us, Ocho,
but I can see what people will say.
It's kind of like, like, like Tom has
seven Super Bowls, five MVPs,
yes, five, yeah, five.
And three regular season MVPs. Payton has five regular season MVPs,
two football appearances with two different teams and a football MVP. But he has four appearances.
So he went two with the Payton, two with the Colts, two with the Broncos. So you're like, okay,
two with the Broncos. So you're like, okay, I think Drew
would need something like that in order.
Would need something like that.
But I get looked.
That's your teammate.
I gotta rock my teammate.
Cause they asked me, well, who you want
to be your quarterback, John?
Man, why you say it?
Because I got Super Bowl with John
and I got a gold jacket with John.
Right.
I mean, what y'all want me to say?
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The Patriots rookie Drake May and his girlfriend Anna Michael Hudson started dating when they were 12 years old.
10 years later they're still dating.
Ocho, do you remember your girlfriend from when you were 12 years old?
Remember I told a story, I told a story.
I thought she was my girl at the time.
I let her get my crayons out of my 64 crayon box.
I let her get the red shades and I went to P.E. and she was playing with somebody else
at P.E.
So I thought she was my girl at the time.
I think probably if she was loyal during those days, we would probably still
be together today.
No, I just, I think we would because I mean, this night, I had loved her.
I don't think you understand the importance of having a 64 box of Crayola crayons back
in them days.
That, that was like having a Ferrari or Crayons back in the days. That
that was like having a a Ferrari
or Lamborghini for us as kids.
64 box of Crayola Crayons and I
gave you I gave you three of my
red color shades. Three
different shades of red. I let
you use them because you need to
use them and when you go to P,
you playing
that's okay that's alright Timothy couldn't do nothing with her
because he only had 8 pack of crayons
yeah his parents didn't give him the 64 box
so that's the same you just talked about that message
about 80-20
she left the 80 for the 20%
yeah
but guess what
she said you know what
Timothy said I got 8 pack and her you got 60% Yeah. But guess what? She said,
you know what? Timothy said I
got eight pack and her you got
sixty-four pack and nothing. I
take a pack of her because she
gonna do it. Hey, listen, the
one thing about it. If she did
it to me, she gonna do it to
you.
It was that's okay. Uh I'm trying
to say twelve but I'm gonna get me 12. but don't
get me. Don't get me to land.
Don't give me the line. Probably
seventh grade. Yeah.
I ain't saying nothing because I
already told you my cast get
going a lot because I'm taking a lot of it to my grave yeah I just want y'all to know I'm gonna need some strong
brothers I'm gonna need six of the strongest brothers I got y'all got
cuz my casket gonna be extra heavy Ocho I'm taking it to my grave I'm taking it
so uh oh no I've tried it. Did I have to
I'm not sure. I mean, she had a long.
No.
No. Yeah, that's I mean, I I know some people that that that
that day to day. I mean was
with their girls since they were
like, oh, I don't know. I don't
know nobody been 14. I mean was with their girls since
they were like, oh, I don't I
don't know nobody been 14. I
got a lot. I got a lot of
classmates that married. Yeah,
they're married. Yeah. Yeah,
they've been together since
like the 10th grade but
honestly, I don't know anybody
and it's commendable for brother
Drake made to be able to be
doing this. I don't think you
understand. Everybody's
typical. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's
it's what you think is on to
the next or everybody's
replaceable and oh, everybody
is replaceable no matter what,
no matter what you may think or
what you may feel about
yourself but everybody is
replaceable but they just they just bounce and bounce and bounce
and just keep on bouncing until they find one that sticks.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hey, I take my hat off to you, boy.
Yeah, hey, Drake, you hail.
Oh Joe, Russell Wilson is optimistic
about potentially playing on Sunday
for the first time during the 2024 season. I feel
confident that I'd be ready to play and ready to play at a high level. I think
we're being really smart to and trying to understand how it feels. It's my
first week really back with the guys and I feel really confident about that. Mike
Tomlin said earlier in the week that there are multiple variables. He's weighed
the decision throughout the week of practice, but the door is a jar, which means a jar, Ocho,
which means slightly open.
Wilson to be active on Sunday.
You know, you always want me to use the word in a sentence.
Russ, I played a lot of football games
and there've been a lot of moments.
I don't fear them.
Getting ready to go back and rock and roll.
I like Russ getting the opportunity to play.
I know Justin Fields has played somewhat good this year. They started 3-0, they lost the last two,
but offensively it's not like they've been this awesome juggernaut of an offense that's
top three in the NFL putting up outstanding crazy numbers where a change in the quarterback
position would really affect the Steelers. I like Russell Wilson, my personal preference, even though I'm not a
Steeler fan for that offense based on his resume, his last year
endeavor was not that bad.
Chad, if you look at the stats, you look at his numbers, his last year
endeavor, it wasn't that bad.
It was good.
It was decent.
Maybe not the Russ that led the goddamn Seahawks to the Super Bowl. But if we can get a rust of old,
anywhere near the rust of old,
where you don't turn the ball over and you just do what we ask of you
and not put the ball in the hands of the other team,
they will be just fine.
They will be just fine.
The commander's quarterback, Jaden Daniels, has exceeded expectations to begin his rookie season,
including those from his own teammate, Terry McClure.
Talked about the quarterback's hot start
with Albert Brea saying,
I did not anticipate him coming in
and hitting the ground running like that.
I played with a few quarterbacks and definitely a few rookies.
Sometimes it takes some time to become comfortable
in an NFL system, not just at practice. Then you go into the game. It's a different animal
What's our what's always encouraged me about him is his ability to get better every day in practice
When we would have a social practice the next day
He would not make make making the same mistakes twice
Same thing enjoying practice then you get into the game and you see him getting better each and every week
I think it's a testament to the experience
that he had in college,
but it's also his preparation he puts in.
That dude works so hard, he's always prepared.
I think it also has to do with where he came,
what school he came, what school he's coming from.
Being under the big lights, being at LSU,
used to the large crowds, coming from a college team that is preparing you for the next level anyway.
So all you had to do was do just that, hit the ground running.
Based on everything you've taken from there, everything you've learned since your adolescence, since you've been playing quarterback, you come on to the the NFL you put the right people around you if you're in the right situation
you get what you're getting from jane daniels at such an early age
even as i mean such early age at such an early time even as a rookie
but he had 55 starts yeah do you know how many stars that is a good thing
that's why he looked most time college quarterbacks they're red shirt
play two years, they go.
That's why he looked the way he did.
Let's just say, if you play for the national championship,
you're probably playing 14 to 15 games.
Obviously he didn't play for the national championship.
So he's playing, basically he's been a starter
every since he walked into college
to get that many starts.
Yeah.
So it's extremely impressive. Um,
it goes to show you the work that he's putting in. Uh,
Daniels and completing 77.1% of his passes,
the highest among all starting quarterback.
He said a single game rookie completion record during week Washington's re three
win over the
Bengals connected on 91.3 percent of his throws. Young Bull look like he'd been there before man
that's that's the only way he does him and him and CJ shroud they look like they've been there before
the Bears beat the Panthers hey you saw you saw, you saw the Williams today, huh? Yeah.
Hello. Dave Canales through Bryce Young back in the game with 415 remaining.
And Bryce took his first nap in the game since being benched after 0 and 2.
Oh, so you mean to tell me the quarterback situation that don't change
anything, huh? Oh, huh.
On the first play, he brought time and Scram and five miles Sanders open for a
27 yard
Game can have his bro did a fantastic job
Let's say any dog will remain the starter for next week against the Falcons after the game Bryce young asked if the current situation
Lit a fire put it here. What'd you think go Joe?
Politically politically correct
He's saying he's saying he's saying all the right things, but maybe that is just him though.
You can tell from his, you know, his manner.
That's his personality.
The way he carries himself.
That's just him, huh?
That's his personality.
Yeah, I see.
I can see.
I can see.
Cool dude, real soft spoken.
Real soft spoken.
It just, you know, I think he gonna get
the opportunity again.
I just hope his confidence is at whenever
that opportunity presents itself,
that he's ready mentally, you know?
And I think it probably, it might be with the Panthers
or if it's elsewhere, I hope he's ready.
Well, until they get some weapons, they they're like don't put me back in there because I ain't gonna look no better
Because they ended all look look at any look at any dog numbers with those weapons
And they're all oh, oh and it don't whoa look at any dog
We got a large enough sample size to know what any dog meals
large enough plenty large I
I mean, they got some nice, they got some boys over there. Once they get Adam Thielin back, they got Xavier Leggett,
they got Mingo, they got some boys, they got Deontay Johnson.
They got some nice guys over there.
They got some nice guys over there.
They got some nice guys over there.
They got some nice guys over there.
They got some boys
they got one target one kid they got Deontay Johnson they got some nice you know some nice
little pieces they just got to put that shit together they got they got to put it together
and then when you have her when you have when you have question marks at a quarterback position
that means the receiver position and the tight ends
have to be that much better than the quarterback.
And that's why he doesn't stand a chance.
You gotta be.
Because they're not.
They're not that much better.
That's not nice, huh?
He ain't throwing the Kelsey and LaPorta and Kittle
and guys like that.
He's not throwing the Justin Jefferson and Chase
and guys like that.
Even if you wanna go,
even if you take those top 10 guys out
and go to the next 10,
what guy, if I give you,
how many receivers you gonna go to
before you take Deontay Johnson?
Leggit, I get it, he's a rookie.
But how many receivers and tight ends
are you gonna go through
before you pick one off the Carolina roster?
A bunch.
Carolina roster. A bunch.
That's rude.
It's the truth though.
Rookies, look at what CJ was throwing to.
He had Nico, Tank Dale, Noah Brownswell, he had Dalton Shultz. He had nice people.
Which one of those guys are better
than any of the guys that I named?
On the Panthers?
Yeah.
Which one of those guys is better than Niko Collins,
better than Tank Dale, better than Dalton Shultz,
better than hell, Noah Brown.
Comparison is the thief of joy.
Yeah, and they stealing all the joy from Bryce Young
cause they ain't do it ish.
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Man, that young man dealing, Ocho.
We're gonna take your glasses off, what?
You all right?
Ocho, I don't know what to say about the show, bro. I'm running out of words, Ocho. We're gonna take your glasses off, what? You all right?
Ocho, I don't know what to say about Deshaun, bro. I'm running out of words, Ocho.
At some point in time, Ocho, just gotta stop now.
Cleveland hasn't topped more than 18 points
in the game this season.
The Browns in a week five with the worst third down
offense in the NFL, and they failed.
They failed to convert all 12 of their third down attempts to date with Deshaun in the
game.
Hey, I got a question.
At some point in time, Ocho.
Listen, what's the issue?
What's the issue?
Is it mental?
Is it the play calling?
I mean, what do you think it is?
And I'm confused.
I've been watching football for a long time, for a very long time. And the nosedive that
I've seen from a personal standpoint of Argonvay, maybe a top three quarterback when he was with
the Texans to what the version of the Sean Jackson, Sean,
the version of the Sean Watson I'm seeing now. That's how he not in such a short amount of
sources. How barring an injury, the only time the only time Ocho I can say I've seen this drop off
time, Ocho, I can say I've seen this kind of drop off from any kind of player.
Hold on.
If through injury, injury, if you have a significant injury, that would explain it.
I could offer you, Ocho, man, you know, the man tours, he tours for
teletendence.
Oh, Joe, you know, the man towards Achilles.
He had back to back ACL surgeries.
Oh, Joe, he almost had his shoulder ripped off the bone.
So that would
explain the cataclysmic drop in his plate. But I don't see an injury that would cause it.
Yeah, it's mental. It's mental. Listen, do you know how hard that is to get back,
especially at that position? At the quarterback position, the court.
Yes, because everything, because it's mental.
If you messed up mentally here, and at the quarterback
position, you got the ball in your hands every time.
So your judgment and your mind, it already got to be clear.
Because if you're judgment and your mind,
and you're not healthy as well on top of that,
you'll never be able to play well.
You'll never be able to excel in that position.
I was thinking about it.
I'm looking at the earliest day.
Well, God damn, I'm looking at, well, they had the Browns, we got Amari Cooper.
You got Nick Chubb coming back soon, I think maybe two weeks, maybe one more.
And Joku. Elijah Moore, you bought him a young bull. Damn, why I'm
going blank right now? You got him, you bought him a young bull, Jerry Judy. I'm like, okay,
we good. We good. I'm talking about we good. I'm just saying from a as a fan as a fan of the Sean Watson as a fan of
Some of these young bulls over there man that I enjoy watching. I'm like, okay, they're gonna compete they're gonna compete
They don't have a chance, you know in the FC North and it just is not what I envisioned
Based on what I've seen in the past and I really can't put I can't put my hands on it on why they look the way
they do
oh Joe he don't even move the same you don't look the same in the pocket and and and and and I think
you know look I'm not here to try to rehash and rethink anything but I think that that that yeah
that weighed a lot on his mind
but I think that that that that way a lot on his mind, I think a way to hell of a lot on his mind. And he what he's he hasn't
been the same. And I think everybody knows that I'm not
really Ocho you and I not breaking news. Everybody knows
they saw I saw the guy he led to leave his last year starting
in in in Houston. He led the NFL in passing yards. He did that
I'm not so sure Deshaun
He's a
28 29 30 31st 32nd. He's a bottom five quarterback currently
Look at Joe Flacco
and Andy. Look at what Joe
Flacco did in Cleveland. Joe
Flacco is if I'm not mistaken, I
think I read this is eight days
younger than Anthony Richardson
mom. Hey, Joe, Joe, yes, it's because I think sometimes oh Joe when you have
Yeah an image
and
And then all of a sudden that image is not what was being portrayed
And people start to like, you start to think,
how do they look at me now?
How do they perceive me?
And that plays with you.
Yeah.
Cause you're out in the public.
Ocho, Anthony Richardson talked about being injury prone.
I had a coach told me once,
the best- What'd you think me once the best ability is availability. We know
it's a game of football where everybody running 20-25 plus miles per hour is a
contact sport. It's a contact sport. You gotta protect yourself. Especially at the
quarterback position. Now because you were injured last year, because you're injured
now you might have a hip injury or ankle,
whatever it may be, they're going to call you injury prone.
It's going to stick.
And that label is going to stick, especially if it starts early on in your career.
So you just got to find a way to protect yourself, man.
Listen, Anthony Richardson is a special talent.
He's a special talent.
He has a chance, an opportunity to change the structure of that Colts franchise.
You know?
I'm not saying he's going to be Peyton Manning, but he has a chance to get it going in the
right direction with, along with the other young quarterbacks like the Jayden Daniels,
the CJ Strouds.
We just need him on the field.
We need him on the field healthy and upright.
So I'm hoping he has a speed of recovery, but, um, right
now, based on what we've seen the past two seasons, you would be just that
injury prone.
Oh, Joe, this, oh, Joe, this is where I'm going to have to disagree with you.
What is it?
Football is not a contact sport.
Hey, collision is part of it's contact.
When two things collide, that's contact.
Right. See contact is middle things collide that's contact. Right?
See contact is middle like people collide. Football. I
heard somebody best described football this way. Football is
a lot like nuclear warfare. There are no winners only
survivors.
Wait, what am I?
You don't win at football you survive the game. You survive football.
Cause think about it.
You say if somebody ran into you at 20 miles an hour,
but you think about this,
people are running in you at 20 miles an hour
over and over and over and over and over and over again.
15, 20, 25, 30, 40, 50 times a game.
That's what I tell people.
You want to know what it's like to play NFL football.
Go to Lowes and get your hard hat
and put on your biggest coat
and get 10 yards away from your garage.
Get five yards away from your garage
and run into it as hard as you possibly can.
20 times.
Okay, now do it again 30 times
and then do it again 40 times.
And I tell you what, just for good measure,
come back and do it again on Thursday because you got a short week.
Now you know what it's like to play football and everybody talking about
he's soft, he's soft, you wouldn't last one day, let alone a season.
So stop it.
I love how people talk about he's soft, bro.
You don't know what soft is.
You softening drugs, no cotton.
All y'all out there bumping them guns.
Oh, he's soft, he's soft, he's scared.
Bro, there's a reason why you on your couch talking.
How you was scared.
Now you know what I had to go through two times a year
against the Ravens.
Two times a year against the Steelers.
Bro. Yes. against the Ravens, two times a year against the Steelers.
Yes! But you know, I was able to do it without getting injured
for years.
Can I tell you why?
Can I tell you why I never got hurt?
Yes!
Nutrition.
What?
Ojo, the same way people that never drink get cancer cancer the same way people that do eat certain things
There are certain people that eat eat or eat whatever and never get a disease
But there are some people that eat everything boom. Yeah, it ain't no rhyme or reason. Oh Joe
Yeah, what about what about the people that don't smoke and get cancer?
Get lung cancer.
Get throat cancer.
And there are people that smoke, been smoking 70 years,
take their last breath.
Oh well, he had a cigarette in his hand.
Some people smoke 70 years, Ocho, and never get it.
And there are people that never smoked a cigarette
or a cigar, never drank anything.
I just start trying to figure out why, look,
this is the way it's intended to be.
Hey, let me make the most of my time while I'm here.
But Anthony Richardson, you're gonna have to learn
how to get down, because you never gonna be big enough
to run over those guys.
They'll break you, bro.
They'll break you bro. They'll break you
I understand you four you six five two forty four you ran four four four five
Yeah
He's gonna be he's gonna be all right though. He's gonna be all right. Get him healthy stay on that field. He's gonna be all right
Yeah, I yeah hold on because I'm blocking
for you oh choice just like me I'm blocking for you oh Joe on the jailbreak
screen okay once you break that and you see all the three guys we gotta save
from himself stop fucking running him stop calling plays where he's where he's
run first.
They got to change some of the play calling.
You know, understanding you can take off because nobody's open. That's one thing. Yeah, design play runs.
I think when he got hurt, if I'm not mistaken, that might have been a
design play run. If I'm not mistaken, I don't remember.
No, he wrote he scrambled on that one.
But no, the what?
Well, actually he got hurt to play before. Right. Because remember he got up lip, he broke. He scrambled on that one but
what no, the what but actually
he got hurt to play before
right because remember he got
up limping. He scrambled and got
up to play before and then he
was a quarterback run with a
run. That's that's on the
god damn course but if I'm a
defender. Yes, if I'm a
defender, I ain't they if he don't if he ain't protect me, why the hell should I?
Yeah, the one that's running you.
I would try to drop it on you.
Yes. So, hey, they are.
Protect yourself, bro.
Protect yourself. They're not they're not.
They're not going to protect you.
They're going to think about it. They're gonna, cause think about it.
They go a whole game.
They already done said, they can't put,
they can't in the pocket, they gotta put a blanket
and get a nice little pillow and lay you down.
They can't dump you like they used to.
So once you get outside that pocket
and you get past that line of scrimmage,
boy, they tried to, ooh, ooh.
Boy, headhunting out there, man.
For sure.
I mean, I know I would.
The rules are already in the offensive favor.
Hey, look.
So, eh.
You know, the rules are like that
because they want to keep the star quarterback
on the field. If I'm a defender, Ocho?
Well, it's your job.
It's the offensive coordinator job, and it's his job to stay on the field.
Because if you break that line of scrimmage,
I'm trying to split your mofo dome.
I'm trying to,
because that greatly increases my chance of winning.
Hey, I'm hitting you as hard as legal.
I look, I don't want people to misconstrue this.
I'm never going to hit anybody cheat unless you hit me cheat.
Then I'm going to get you back.
Yeah. I'm going to get my lick back.
I just want you to know, I'm going to get my lick back.
But in that situation, I ain't going to hit him cheat.
But boy.
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