Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Brandon Aiyuk upset, Dallas Cowboys unimpressive, Jerry Jones woes

Episode Date: October 3, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocino" Johnson recap Week 4 of the NFL season. Top stories include San Francisco 49ers Brandon Aiyuk throwing a tantrum after HC Kyle Shanahan asked him to change his shorts, Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowboys unimpressive win on Thursday Night Football against Daniel Jones and the New York Giants, Jerry Jones saying it's "fair" to blame him for Cowboys struggles and much more!03:18 - Should Brandon Aiyuk have changed his shorts?09:30 - Cowboys vs. Giants28:29 - The Cowboys can sell themselves(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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They were saying he threw a tantrum, but he and Kyle Shanahan had a healthy conversation when Kyle told him to change his shorts and switch black to black. Iyuk eventually did after talking with Shanahan, but as you can see, he did so reluctantly. I like the red on red, he trying to match. There's no, huh? Nah, not when everybody else got on black. Everybody else got on black.

What you notice, Ocho? Yeah. That issue was never gonna fly. This ain't no all tournament team. This ain't the Pro Bowl where you wear your own helmet. You said, nah, this ain't that what that is. I mean, but I don't get the reluctant, Ocho, you look down at yourself like, damn, I'm the only one that got on Maroon?

Everybody that's got on Black, and thought you thought that was going to be okay. And I saw people in the comments talking about, Oh, is that why they lose it? Y'all don't, I can tell y'all never been a part of it. Yeah. I mean, it's that it's a little, it's a little nitty-gritty, but I understand what you're talking about. Cause I've been a part of that. I've been, I've been a part of that structured environment where you, where you gotta, you know, dress the same, wear the same thing.

Everybody's one, listen, one band, one sound. I understand. I understand. But if they were winning, if they was three and oh, if they was four and oh, man, Shanahan wouldn't care about them goddamn shorts. No, it would, it would die. But things aren't going well, everything is. If you six, if

you six and oh, could you do that in New England? If you could do that in New England, if you six and oh, could you come out there and do it? Hey, you know the arm, what you call a chat. Listen to me real quick. Let me tell you something about Bill Belichick in New England. If you ever played football at any level, you know, in the equipment room where they have the, uh on how you suppose to dress you got the thigh pads and knee pads and the short pad you had to dress like that for practice. Man, Bill ain't playin that. You had to have thigh pads, you had to have a knee pad, you had to have your hip pads. Man, Bill was trippin. That game day you could do what you want to do. Man, Bill had me out there like I was at Liberty City Optimus or something

Had every pad every pad in it was so funny and you had to have every pad in always sent you back in He's he sent you back in Mike Mike will use however you play in the game. Oh, that you can dress. Bill ain't play that way. Oh no. Yes. So, cause you know, we were one of the first team, I got it from Ricky Jackson. Ricky Jackson was the first person I ever saw that had no thigh pads, no knee pads, no pads.

Ricky pads were clean. And I was like, man, Ricky Jack did it, hell I would do it. So we started, myself and Ed, and then, cause we cut all, we cut the line and everything, had holes all in the side, and then they started sending them to professional tailors. And that's why they looked like they was band-aids.

That's why they looked so smooth, because we ended up sending them to the tailor and they doctored them like that. But ain't no way in hell You are not coming out there if Mike said we gonna have on this Everybody it's a team sport you will have on that. I don't give them to John Elway. I'll give you TD It didn't matter if Mike say we come out there and blue shorts want to alright You bring your ass out there in the morning shorts if you want to or some grades

No, Mike ain't play and Kyle is just like his dad He was no, I don't know what Brandon are you felt the moment? I I'm about to have a bone on Joe But the minute I hit that door and I saw everybody had on black short I'd have turned my black back around and we got the black short. Yeah, he had him underneath cuz I already know how to go Now back around and we got the black. He gonna have a good game And if he doesn't they're gonna It's a might still they're gonna come back to this

Oh, no, oh no I don't care how he's going for 200. He's not gonna dress, Mike or Kyle is not gonna let him dress different than the team. If he doesn't play well, I'm just saying I can see the media jumping on him about the incidents. You know how we are. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I see a week.

Oh, the structure is very, man, look. Coach Davis tell us, look, this ain't no all tournament team. Ain't nobody, hey, y'all ain't finna dress out here like this here. Right. And somebody dressin' like that. No, we ain't no all tournament team. Ain't nobody, hey, y'all ain't fit to dress out here like this here. Somebody dress like that. No, we ain't fit to do that. This is a team.

We gonna have structure. We gonna have discipline. And when I say everybody, hey, oh, so you know how this thing work. Offers got a third color jersey, defense got a third color jersey. In the quarterback, they got their own color jersey. That mean they got- Now Mike Wood.

Oh, don't you touch him, touch him if you want to. Because, hey, like Coach Davis, hey, son, can you play quarterback? Well, stop effort hitting that. Oh, yeah. But you understand, you understand structure in a team setting. You don't want anything. Hold on. Can you say chat?

What's up, Jack? How are you all doing, Jack? Yeah, I love you all, Jack. She called me if you all need me. Seven, eight, six, two, three, five, fifty, four, twelve. You know, I'm here for you. What the hell? And you know, you know, you know what he looked like? You're supposed to be in the bed.

He looked like Alf. Remember Alf? What? He looked like Alf. Yeah, I do remember Alf. Hey Willie. Hey hey, woo woo woo woo. Ocho, the game that, it was football.

It wasn't a whole lot, it left a lot to be desired. The Cowboys beat division rival Giants 20 to 15. The Cowboys improved to two and two while the Giants followed a one and three. Again, the Cowboys win 20 to 15. That 22 of 27 to 21, two touchdowns, zero interceptions. They ran the ball up. They had 80 yards on 23 carries. So it's nothing to write home about, Ocho. Let's not get over excited. The Giants, Daniel Jones was 29 of 42, 81. He had an interception at the end of the ball game. Didn't really matter.

They had 24 to 26 yards, Ocho. But Ocho, when I look at this game, there are like three things that if that's another quarterback, the Giants probably win this game. He had neighbors, they ran a tremendous route, had digs beat and he was behind Hooker. And he hung the ball up, they knock it down. He had Slayton on the goal ball.

Slayton on the right, yes, against the young boy. Ocho, you remember they had a end. And people are like, well, he should have caught the ball, but I'm not getting into it with people that never caught the ball for a living. So you and I about to have a conversation. Like when I put my foot in the dirt and I'm driving directly back to the quarterback,

I'm expecting the ball to be here. Or if it's low, I can get my body on top of it. If he throws it outside of my body, if it's high, I'm expecting the ball to be right between my numbers or my eyes, I can catch it like this. If it's high and outside, I can do that. When he throws it low and outside, now I got to die for it.

If the ball doesn't hit my hand, it's probably gonna hit here. And if it hits any part of this, it's gone. It's incomplete. It's gone, yeah. It's gonna get away from you every time. And if it hits any part of this, it's gone. It's incomplete. It's gone. Yeah, it's gonna get away from you every time. And that's what I'm trying to explain. Yes.

And if he gets pressure, I could understand if Daniel Jones had pressure, but he had no pressure on that. He has to step and deliver the ball. It's two or three throws in this game that got away from him. That's the difference because they're not good enough right now, Ocho, to overcome those types of mistakes.

Those kind of miscues. If you're like, you know, you're Kansas City, you're one of these better teams, you could overcome something like that. But as you go along and you play better teams, even then you won't be able to overcome it. But people don't understand. People think, well, hit his hands.

Bro, stop it. Stop it, it's just not, I know y'all have heard and everybody say, if, hit his hands. Bro, stop it. Stop it. It's just not, I know y'all heard and everybody say, if you hit your hands, you should catch it. Well, if you didn't catch balls for a living, and a lot of people that talk about it didn't catch balls for a living, stop. Stop.

Yeah. Hey, listen, it's a very difficult catch for those of you that don't know, to have an errant throw like that when you're trying to drive back to the quarterback and he throws it away from where you're going to and you have to adjust your body is a very, very difficult catch. Because it's low and outside, Uncle Joe. Yeah, and now there are also receivers who can probably make it that are natural pass catchers of the ball. Natural pass catchers can probably adjust and make that catch. But for most of the receiving of the league, it's a very, very difficult catch. Again, like you said,

you're not going to win games like this. I think if the Cowboys didn't look that good tonight, I think they played decent. And if it was any other team outside of the Giants, five of the field goals, at least two of those or maybe three of those might have been touchdowns and the game would have been different. The game would have been different and another team would have won. But the Giants, listen, Daniel Jones has to make some of those throws. The one in Malik neighbors should have been six. The one to Slayden should have easily been six if he hadn't had to unthrown it, those those were those were layups.

And you can't miss if we can get if we can get some consistency at the quarterback position in New York with the weapons he got, they will be fine. But right now, you know, the quarterback is causing them a little bit. It cost them a lot of down in the red zone. He cost them a lot of bit because, oh, Joe, the thing is costing them a little bit. It cost them a lot of it. They can get them down in the red zone. He cost them a lot of bit. Because Ocho, the thing is, they're not good enough to overcome that.

See, the thing is, when you're challenged offensively, you have, I've been in a situation, I played on the 2000 Ravens. We were challenged offensively. But what we did when we got you in the right defense, we had, you were in the wrong defense, we had the right play call, we punished you. We had to because we couldn't miss throws,

because we weren't that good. We weren't the 98 Minnesota, where they had Chris Card and Randy Moss and all those guys. We weren't the Patriots on what, what was that, 07? We weren't the Broncos in 2013, we weren't the Patriots and what was that, 07? We weren't the Broncos in 2013. We weren't that. So you have to understand who and what you are.

And when the opportunity presents itself, I just remember like, look, anytime somebody made a mistake, we had to make them pay. And if we made a mistake, Brian used to always look, if we make a mistake, let's just make sure we hold onto the ball. If somebody whiffs a block, quarterback, and you get hit flush, just hold on to the ball. Running back. If somebody whiffs, just make sure you hold on to the ball.

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on the goal post. Because we're not going to get that many opportunities, and we're not going to go out there and score 30 points a game. It's gonna be a nip tuck ball game. We make one or two plays and we're gonna turn it over to our defense. That is the way the Giants are. The Giants are not good enough offensively.

They can't run the ball well enough. Their quarterback is not consistent enough. Malik neighbors is gonna look fantastic. I like Wondell Robinson. Slayton is what he is. But I think he's good enough. But the quarterback position is not. You can't miss those throws.

They're too routine. They're too routine for you to miss, and you're not good enough to overcome them. Yeah. And also the refs need to get out of the way on that first half. Oh, that was no face. They call face masks on the wrong damn guy. Man, listen, they had they threw more yellow flags, boy. More yellow flags and Big Bird got feathers.

You hear me? The rest were all in the way of the game in the first half. I didn't know what in the world was going on. But other than that, listen, it was a snooze fest, no disrespect. And if you look at the Cowboys' schedule, I think the Cowboys' next three games, like they're gonna have to play better than they did tonight. I know they won the game.

It feels good to be at 500 going into week four. That's a good thing, it's a positive thing, to be above 500 or at 500 for that matter. But it's not gonna get any easier. It's not gonna get any easier. No, I just think the thing is that when you're in a situation like the Giants, Ocho, when you're challenged offensively,

I don't think their defense are world beaters, but they play well enough. I love Thibodeau, I love Lawrence. I think there was a solid player. Secondary. I'm like Brian Dory. Yeah, yeah. Well, they gotta get a Dory back.

A Dory's hurt right now, and they got some other pieces that are out right now as far as the secondary's concerned. Once they get them boys back, I think they solid, you know, they not the best defense in the league, but they can play some goddamn good ball, especially with that front. You know, they got up there with Dexter Lawrence and Brian Burns. Yeah, yeah. Brian Burns, yeah, they can pressure the quarterback. You got two way rushers. Lawrence can collapse the pocket from inside. They're decent. I think their front four is the strength of their defense.

I think that's where they're gonna make their hay. That's where they're gonna be like, okay, guys, we've got to win up front in order for us to have a chance at the second, the linebacker core and the back end, but we have to do what we need to do up front. But at the end of the day, your quarterback can't miss those throws, Ocho.

He just can't. I'm sorry. And guys, I don't, you know, I'm not trying to, you know, it was 2015 and maybe y'all take consolation in that. And see, the thing is with me is, Ocho, when I look at a game, I don't watch the sound. I'm not looking at, they scored a touchdown, yay. I'm looking at why you scored.

Okay, the ball is incomplete. I'm looking at why it's incomplete. I'm looking at a situation that's in coverage. I'm like, bro, why in that coverage? You have to understand. Well, like, and people got mad at me. I was like, bro, I understand that's quite, well, if AJ, but that wasn't AJ.

You know that's not AJ. First of all, Devontae is 60 pounds less than AJ. So even if AJ collides, yeah, it's gonna be incomplete. That's not, Devontae game is not physicality. It's finesse. You have to understand that. And in that situation, that down in distance, that area of the field, it's about physicality.

Because you're asking him to cross his face or collided because the one thing you don't want to happen at the best thing is that you score touchdown. The second best thing is incomplete. The absolute worst thing is what Ocho and interception and they got the absolute, there were three things that could happen and they got the absolute worst. So when I look at the situation, I'm looking at, I'm telling you, if Daniel Jones make two throws tonight the Giants win this game Yeah. Oh, yeah, you know we've got one of the neighbors that I want to slay that one that one is slayings They're putting nail in the coffin

That one the slayings to put the nail in the car. It's about winning bad at the line. No Did he gave a little noise he got a little more separation He had money by three. Then he gave him a little nudge, he got a little more separation. He gonna look at film, Daniel Jones gonna look at film, the receivers gonna look at film and they gonna be upset.

The coaches gonna be upset cause they know that's a game they could have won if not only, listen, we score five field goals, all right? That'll get you beat. But the fact that you missed the throws as well on top of only scoring five, getting five field goals, that ain't gonna win you no games. No, it is not like you're barely in the red zone.

You way down there. You way, I mean, you in the five, you're at the five yard line. And look, they had a great play called the, what's the name, Overshawn made a great play. They had a play to the name? Over Sean made a great play. They had a play to Rondell Robinson. They put him in motion and they swung him out of the backfield and he has to come

from his inside linebacker spot and he has to make a play on the wide receiver. Tip your hat to him, he made an unbelievable play because son, look, you gonna have one-on-one. That's the guy you gotta beat. You either run his ass over and you gotta make him miss. Those are your only two options, but you can't let him tackle you in the open field.

That's what they say. I'm telling you what they're telling him having been in situations like that, having been in offensive meeting rooms and saying, look, that's the guy. You got two choices. You run his ass over or you make him miss. Those are your only two options

because if you do one of those two things, the ball's in the end zone. Other than that, we gotta kick a field goal. And what do one of those two things the balls in the end zone other than that We got to kick a field goal. And what did they do? They kick the field goal give over Sean credit He made an unbelievable play Unbelievable, but you've got you've got Especially because the cow if the Cowboys is settled for two field goals you right there with a mojo, but they kick they got touchdowns Right. So now you got think about it. You got four field goals, they got two touchdowns, and they're in front by two points.

That's it. Then they kick attack on another field goal, now you need a touchdown to take the lead, because a field goal won't help you. And that's what I'm telling you, because you have to look at the game, and like, well damn, we kick any field goals, hey, they got two touchdowns

and they got us. They got us right now. But in that situation, man, Dayan Jones, he has to make those, he just has to, Ocho, he has to. In order for the Jack to have any level of success. If not both of them, make one of them. If not both of those throws, make one of them. If not both of those throws, make one of them.

Cause one of those throws, both are touchdowns, but just make one of them. And the game is completely different. Yeah, I agree. Completely different. I agree. I agree. But that's the difference in the ball game. Cause you look, like we said,

there are a couple of plays here or there. It's not the totality of the game. Yeah, you can look at it and say, okay, it's 60 minutes in a ball game. But when you go back and break it down, like we have for decades, you go back and you're like, okay, this might've been the play right here

that could have broke the game up before, that could have swung the momentum in our favor, and who knows what happens after that. But we got to make those plays, especially if you're as challenged offensively as they are. And the Giants are challenged offensively. They don't have anybody that put fear in your heart in the run game.

24 carries, 26 yards. That's not striking fear in nobody's heart. Neighbors is legit. He legit. Wondell Robinson, you can win with. Slayton, he's okay. He's here to miss. I mean, he can light you up for a big day and then some days not so much.

But they leave a lot to be desired offensively. And when you leave a lot to be desired offensively, when your opportunity presents itself. Oh, Joe, you by a, it's like a situation where a guy, you might only be in a room with this good looking woman one time at some point in time you got to find a way to make your way over in her vicinity and get her attention. And you better and you better make the most of your opportunity. You better make the most of your of your opportunity. Exactly because you and don't wait too long because why you over there should I and next day you know somebody else don't wait too long, cause why you always have to have, should I? And next day, you know, somebody else don't walk in there, he up there talking to him.

And now you're like, damn, I don't have my opportunity. Yes. Yes. And so that's how you have to approach it. If you're the giants, the opportunities are not gonna be there often, but when they do present themselves, you make sure you're in position and you make that play.

So the Cowboys moved to two and two, they get 10 days off now, they play again, they don't play again until the following Sunday, if I'm not mistaken, 20 to 15, they went over the Giants, go to two and two, both of their wins on the road, both of their losses at home, the Giants fall to one and three and they're 0 and 2 at home. Wait, what's the Cowboys got next? and then three and they're o and

Well, guiding a guy got a little guy known lion tackle Niners Falcons oh my god What s8 s a six game gauntlet right there, yep, that's the bet is a six game gauntlet we're gonna fight I Remember we went out with the Broncos Mike would always tell us, win, lose, or draw. Looking at the schedule, and we took it one at a time. We were gonna find out a lot about ourselves over the next several weeks. We broke, I mean, a lot of times, Ocho, Mike would have the board blacked out,

so the only thing you could see was the next opponent. He said, it's a 16 round fight. We will take one round at a time. So I mean, obviously, you know, you can look at the paper, you see the schedule or something like that. But on the board, when you walked in, the only thing you saw was the opponent you're about to face. He didn't want you looking down the road. The most important game on our schedule is happening Sunday is It's happening Monday night. And it keep you focused. He said, but we're gonna find out a lot about ourselves.

Oh, okay. I like finding out a lot about myself. I like finding out, I am whatever I say I am. If I wasn't, why would I say I am? That's what I want to say. I needed to know. I thought I was pretty good, but the team that we play,

they got a Pro Bowl, all pro safety. They got Pro Bowl, all four corners. They got Pro Bowl, all pro linebackers. Okay, Shannon, you talking about you the best? Hell yeah. And when I lead this game, they gonna say I'm the best too. I'm the best tight end,

and I'm the best pitch end, I'm the best itch talker, for sure. Oh man. That's what you missed, you missed that hot Ocho. Oh yeah, oh yeah, you know that, you know that. You know, listen, I talk with the best of, man. I talk with the best of, I didn't wear a mouthpiece for a reason. I didn't either. People are like, man, you don't wear no mouthpiece?

No, man, I ain't got time. I done put my pan on the dirt, I done slap do it on his back I don't slap him on his ass about good job and you think I'm about to reach in my mouth and pull my mouthpiece out I wish I might and plus I didn't want to take time to put hold on no I just want to be talking on cue shut the yeah I'm a ho, whatever, whoever. Shut up. I wasn't even talking to you. But since you ran your mouth, I'm talking to your.

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Jimmy was there it was Jimmy how about them Cowboys right Jerry despised that because he saw Al when you play the Raiders it's always been Al Davis it's always been about Al it's kind of like in the Yankees before Mr. Steinbrenner passed, all those great players, once he purchased it from CBS, I think in 73 for like $7 million, it was about George. Jerry learned how to be an owner from Al Davis. It was always about Al. And that's what Jerry wants. He wants that attention. Most owners, Mr. Kraff, you look at the Rooney's back.

We good back here. Eddie DeBarlo for the 49ers before his sister. Now Jed York, the York family has it. Hey in the back. Clark Hunt, before his dad, Mr. Lock, rest his soul, Lamar. I played the chief when his dad on the team. I mean, if you didn't know, it's something when the owner

is the centerpiece of your franchise. There's something to be said for that. Yeah, yeah, most definitely, most definitely. And listen, I don't think they will see success until things change. And I'm sure Jerry's not gonna step down because he's already made the comment that who can run the team better than he can.

Obviously he might be the issue because they haven't been back to the Super Bowl for the last 25, 27 years. I'm not sure what the number may be, but it's one thing about him. He's a great salesman. That's why the fans in the city, everyone continues to buy in because he gonna say you're a dream, man. They killing Jerry the chat. They say Jerry be taking that your dream that. Man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man, man,

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or whatever the case may be. Boom, in the sideline. Mr. Modell stood in the back. The only time, the only time Mr. Modell, I was there two years, and I don't know what he was like before I got there, and I don't know what he was like after I left. The only time in the locker room,

Mr. Modell spoke after we won the Super Bowl. He broke down and started crying He said I'd never forget what y'all did for me today. He said I'm proud of you. He said I'm very proud of you now I'll see that I'd never forget what you did today That's the only time mr. B. I don't recall Mr. B talking in the locker room and I was there we went back to back soup bowl I don't remember mr. B talking in the locker room and I was there. We went back to back suit both. I don't remember Mr. B talking in the locker room. But I get go ask the Cowboys. Can they remember time Jerry not talking in the locker room?

Yeah. When Jimmy was there, why you think Parcells left? Yeah. Listen, that, listen, Bill Parcells and a lot of people, I see a lot of people talking about Bill Belichick taking a job in Dallas. Like you talk about, I don't, it wouldn't work. It wouldn't work. You know, Bill Belichick is no different than Bill Parcells.

Like all that talking, the two, the one, number one thing, being a part of the Patriot way of some one of the things that Bill Belichick despises and you cannot do, you cannot talk to the media. You can't, you give it, don't tell, say nothing. Short and sweet, to the point, don't talk. Don't give a team any bulletin board material. And you think Bill Belichick is going to the Cowboys to have Jerry front center every goddamn time. Absolutely.

What are the only NFL what are the only in any sport has a radio show? Oh, one oh one oh five one oh three point five something like that. Yeah, yeah, Jerry, that's my point. You got to, you got to be heard. That's it. It's the thing. Let's just say, let's just say for the sake of argument, Coach Belichick says, well, I don't really need to be the general manager. Okay. We can see that. But he says, uh, Jerry, these are the type players. You do know if Coach Belichick comes in there and he makes changes That's an indictment on Gary because Jerry believed the players that he had are exquisite

Coach Belichick comes in and says I need this type of player Right. Oh Now what now what? Yeah, and we've got a problem before the foot Sport even started the show didn't even start yet. They the cret listen Not not the credits what you call it. What you call it. We'll come on before dumb for the movie. Come on Oh the preview. Oh Yeah, the preview the preview zone ain't even getting they sit in the previews and they already button heads

Oh Joe, but here's the thing if coach Belichick comes in and the Cowboys get to and win the Super Bowl, who gonna get the credit? Oh, you know Bill. Oh, you know we talk about Bill winning his eighth. The one thing that Jared despised, that's why he ran Jimmy off. What other coach you know will run a coach off after back to back Super Bowls

considering they hadn't won one since the seventies. So they hadn't won one in damn this 20 years. And the coach that comes in and gives you back to back and you got a 25 year old Troy Aitman, 25 year old, a 24 year old Emmet Smith. You got a 26 year old Michael Irvin. So you got those guys in the absolute prime. And you say, the guy that got this.

Now you got gotta go. Ego boy ego pride you know that edition your pride fall first before everything else. I think the greatest thing that's ever happened was what we saw in Noon and we might not see it again because Mr. Kraft set his ego aside and for the longest time Tom and coach Belichick set their egos aside and then somebody started listening to the noise and said who deserves more credit and then all of a sudden somebody Tom did not want to leave New England Tom wanted to be a one New England. Tom wanted to be a one moment guy.

He wanted to be that he deserved that. I mean, some people deserve that opportunity. Like coach Smith, North Carolina, he deserved to stay there. As long as he didn't get him brought in a scandal, he deserved to be there. Right. Coach K at Kentucky coach summit at Tennessee. There are certain coaches, coach Brian Brian, Nick, say certain coaches, because they, they exemplary on the field and in the community, they get to finish on their terms.

Tom Brady has been everything. The player he's, he was supposed to play. And this is the one time that Mr. Crafts both had to put his foot down and say Billy. That's what he calls Coach Belichick Billy. Yeah, I'm gonna do it. I ain't gonna do it. Not damn.

I'm not because he said Tommy was like a son to him. The value in that franchise was because of one too. Yeah. He gave his mom a Super Bowl ring. Family members don't normally get Super Bowl rings. I gave my brother my Super Bowl ring because it meant more for me for him to have it than it ever would to me.

That's a lie. But no, Tom was supposed to be there for perpetuity. Tom supposed to, hey, roll, hey, if he got a motorized scooter, a cane, a walker, but he's supposed to have been there. And for whatever reasons, coach Veloceck thought it was over. And well, it started way before then on Joe. It started way before then when Jimmy G and the guy wrote that article,

Seth Wickersham and somebody else, uh, Mark Fadde, or Wada or somebody else wrote an article about the power struggle that was starting to happen. And Mr. Kraff put his foot down and say, you will trade Jimmy G. He basically gave Jimmy G away to the 49ers. He adores Kyle Shanahan. He has the utmost respect for Kyle's father, Mike Shanahan.

So he's like, as a basically an FU to Mr. Kraft, well, I'm going to give him away. I mean, listen, I mean, he was going to be next in line. He was going to be next in line. And as the franchise quarterback, I don't want the person who is next in line, my successor, to be looking over my shoulder. Because at any point when I'm

not playing well or as good as I should be based on what people are used to seeing now, you are calling for Jimmy to be the starter. Man, you all got to get him up out of here. But even though even look that you got to get him up out of here. What I what I've relayed and through my experience and being around great players, right? Great players, as they start to get a as they start to age, they only get compared to them younger selves. Who did you compare Tom to? Who did you prepare?

Pay? You compare them to them younger selves. And so that's what the great players that's that's their honor. You compare me, you compare comparing the 35, 36 year old to a 24, 25 year old. And although Tom, Tom, I mean, it's not like he had three games in a row to man through 450 yards, but considering what he, because Edelman has started to be involved in a little bit, few too many car wrecks. It has started to affect him. Rob has started to get Nick a little bit more frequently. It has started to impact him.

And so the weapons that he once had were plenty, but the collisions had started to add up. So that started to impact him. Well, Coach Belichick thought it was Brady. He didn't look around at the surroundings to see, man, if I get, you know, maybe upgrade something, right? Because Brady had taken pay cuts for damn near for 20 years.

So what the hell you, you, you put, hiding the money under your pillow? So where, where was all, where, where were you spending the money? And he had started, he had started to reach and reach. Cause a lot of times when you become great coach, Oh, you started to take unnecessary risks. He had had such success. He got. Grunk. Um, he got, uh, Aaron Hernandez in the third round. He got grunk in the second round who was a first round pick,

but he had the back injury. Hernandez was the first round pick, but he had the off the field issues. He dropped to the third. You get Edelman, uh, uh, in, in the seventh round pick, but he had the back injury. Hernandez was the first round pick, but he had the off the field issues. He dropped to the third. You get Edelman in the seventh round. You get Amandola in free agency. You get Wes Welker, you know, people don't really know. And so he, but, and you know, he, he has some good picks early on, especially defensively, but it's wide receiver.

Oh yeah. The wide receivers he was picking was terrible. Terrible but uh Well It was fun 20 years. I mean look who wouldn't take 20 years six Super Bowls nine Super Bowl appearances, Oh Joe Yeah Everybody would but you know how hard it is to win six Super Bowls? Hell, I know how hard it is to win one.

Hold on. Yeah, you talking about one, yeah. You know how hard it is to win one, let alone to go to nine and win six. You can't even do, it's difficult to do that in the video game mad, let alone in real life. That lets you know how great

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