Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Bryce Young gets win, Dak Prescott injury, Christian McCaffrey return

Episode Date: November 13, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from Week 10 of the NFL season including Carolina Panthers QB Bryce Young getting the win over Daniel Jones and the New York Giants in the NFL’s Munich, Germany game, Dallas Cowboys QB Dak Prescott undergoing a season-ending surgery on his hamstring, San Francisco 49ers RB Christian McCaffrey makes his return vs. Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and much more!03:00 - Bryce Young gets win over Giants06:10 - Dak Prescott’s season-ending surgery08:30 - Dak Prescott has hamstring injury19:10 - Trevor Lawrence is not playing21:55 - Christian McCaffrey makes debut against the Bucs31:10 - Puka Nacua says he can play in the NBA(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Prime ain't gonna let that happen. You don't think so? No. Have the Giants ever drafted a black quarterback before? Hell no, Hell no. Hell no. Hell no. Hell no. Hey the way you said it, that was funny.

Hey the way you said it, that was funny. Bryce Young, 15-25, 126 a touchdown. Bryce Young, 15-25, 126 a touchdown. Chuba Hubba had an outstanding day, 28 rushes, a buck 53 and a touchdown. Chuba Hubba had an outstanding day, 28 rushes, a buck 53 and a touchdown. They ran the ball 32 times for a buck 88. They ran the ball 32 times for a buck 88. Daniel Jones was 22 of 37, 190 and two interceptions.

But it was Tracy that fumbled an overtime that led to the game winning field goal by the Carolina Panthers. Yeah. Oh yeah, boy. Oh yeah. And they talking about, you know, they gonna evaluate the quarterback position.

For evaluate what? Who, huh? Yeah, they talking about they gonna evaluate it. They're open to making changes at the quarterback. It's too late now. Y'all might as well go and stick with Daniel Jones. You know he's saying that to save his job, huh? He can't save it. It's over.

Wait, hey, you might as well make a change. Who's the backup? Tyrod? No, Tyrod. Wait, I got the wrong New York team. I'm tripping. No, Ocho. It's you might as well just you know what you got.

My will pulling. My will pulling. Hey, you talking what you got. My will pulling. Pulling. My will pulling. Hey, you talking about you evaluating them. You want to give yourself a chance to win? A chance to do something? I mean, who's the back up in New York anyway? Who's the back up quarterback?

It's somebody known too. Drew Locke. Drew Locke, Raka, Drew Locke, OK, OK, OK, OK. OK. Yeah, I mean, look, they they gamble. Hey, Jim, how that looking out? God, you can run the ball fairly well. I mean, Porter Jr. runs the ball really well.

Singletary, he gets your quarterback. No team is good enough to overcome poor quarterback play. Not for, not, now you might win a game or two, because we saw tonight, Jerry Goff turned the ball over five times and his team came back. But you all, but you- Other teams don't have that kind of high-power Octane offense either No

No, they don't The Giants currently hold the number one pick I stay in that position But they have a new coach here that Dak Prescott is planning to undergo season ending surgery on a partially torn hamstring, in the opinion of one final specialist. Schefter added that Dak will meet with the specialist in New York, but the Cowboys doctor already believes he needs surgery that would sideline him for months.

The Cowboys did not place Dak on injury reserve today. Trading away, hold on. Trading away a fourth round pick four days before it comes out that your quarterback, hold on. That does make it even more egregious because you knew Dak was injured and you traded for, but anyway, I don't care that Mingo has two years left on his deal, completely insane price

if you know the season is probably over. That's what Dave Hellman. Uh, hey, hey, Jerry, say he was going to get a receiver. He said you say you were going to get a receiver. He went and got one. He went and got one. I'm listening. We're going to see, we're going to see tomorrow.

We're going to see tomorrow. I hope, I hope that has, I hope that he heals fast. I hope he heals fast, you know, scrap. It's over, it's off the bone, he ain't healing up this shit. I'm just saying, I hope he heals fast. I'm definitely not.

Yeah, I know what you mean. He can heal slow. I'm not talking about the comeback. He's a year 25. I mean, this season, I mean just in general. We're on the hill fast so he can get back in. Yeah. He can not get back out there on the field,

but just get back into a groove of working yourself back in the shape and being able to throw the ball. That's one thing you don't play with. Soft tissue injuries, that groin, that groin and hamstring,, the keys area, your calf. Boy, I don't, I don't miss that from nobody. You see, you see what?

Hamstring, Zion's gonna miss time with a hamstring. Kevin and Rand's gonna miss time with a cow. They don't, oh. Cause you're not believe, you play with your lower body. Yeah. Where you going? No thing, grab it, you play with your lower body. Yeah. Where you going? No thing grabbing, you mean. That's crazy. Man.

Yeah. Well, hopefully like you said, he get, you know, you get, he gets the final prognosis. He gets done what he needs to get done. And he's ready to come back next year and rebuild. Dak is dealing with a partial avulsion, which is off the bone, hamstring, which means part of the tendon has pulled away from the bone.

He has not been put on injury reserve. If he is put on injury reserve, he would have to sit on a minimum of four games, which would keep him out until at least December night against the Bengals. That's a win for y'all, Ocho. But that probably would need longer to recover than the four-week period that the injury reserve requires. Teams says confidence in Cooper Rush is there for Cooper, but we know what Cooper can do.

Ocho, is it time to see Trey Lance? I mean, even if we do want to see Trey Lance, I mean, the backup quarterback is Cooper Rush. And we say we know what Cooper Rush can do. Actually, we don't because we haven't seen Cooper Rush this year. We don't know how Cooper Rush is gonna look with this offensive line. We don't know how Cooper Rush is going to look

without the running game. We don't know. So we have to see Cooper Rush with this Dallas Cowboys defense because the Cooper Rush we did see, the Dallas Cowboys was a completely different team then. It was a complete different- They could run the ball a lot better.

Exactly. They could play defense a little better. Exactly, so the Cooper Rush we're gonna see now is a different type of Cooper Rush that has different players around him, and he's gonna have to do more. He's gonna have to do more. So, I mean, I would love to see Trey Lance.

I don't wanna see Trey Lance with thatrey Lance. I don't wanna see Trey Lance with that offensive line. I don't wanna see Trey Lance as a Dallas Cowboys quarterback with no running game. I don't wanna see Trey Lance as a Dallas Cowboys quarterback with only CD Lam and throw the ball to. No disrespect to the rest of the receivers, but I'm just being honest. They wouldn't have got Brother Mingo.

Brother Mingo from the Panthers. No disrespect to him either. My young boy wasn't even getting or seeing the field the way he should be as a Carolina Panther. But Jerry says, we're gonna make a move for every receiver. I thought you'd be making a move for someone that can contribute and come here right now and make a difference and help bolster that offense.

But I'm trying to figure out, the Cowboys gave him a fourth round pick for Jonathan mingo. and help bolster that offense. But I'm trying to figure out the, the Cowboys gave him a fourth round pick for Jonathan Mingo. Ocho, the Chiefs gave him a fifth round pick for D-Hawk. The Jets gave him a fourth round pick for Devonte Adams. The Ravens got Deontay Johnson for a fifth round pick. The Cowboys got Mingo for a fourth round pick.

And Jerry say, can't nobody do a better job than him. I think A's might have something to do with that. You think age has anything to do with that? Age, I- You base a pick on the value, the value, which one of those guys you think Hopkins or Adams is more, who's more valuable,

Mingo, Adams or Hopkins? I mean, obviously the one with the more extensive resume. Okay. The Chiefs gave up a fifth round pick to get D-Hawk. The Jazz gave up a fourth round pick to get Devontae Adams. The other guy wasn't even playing. Yeah. And you gave a fourth round pick

and you want to tell your fans and you want to get on radio and on camera and crow about nobody can do a better job than you. The person that delivers the mail could have done a better job than you. Yeah I don't I don't I don't understand I don't understand the the decision making uh by the Cowboys their organization uh. Ain't no Cowboys Jerry. their organization. Uh, there ain't no Cowboys. Jerry. I don't understand. I don't know. I don't know what he's doing. I don't know what he's doing. And, and he don't, oh Joe, the sad part is he don't know what he's doing. Well, you're right. You're right. I'm not going to critical. You told

me now that you told me to slow down in that area and being critical of that individual. So You told me not to, you told me to slow down in that area and being critical of that individual. So I'm gonna let you have that. He don't know what he doing. He don't. It ain't my fault he don't know what the hell he doing. Damn. And damn.

See here's the problem that he has. See here's the problem that Jerry has. Jerry wants to be the smartest in the room. You see what happens when you run a business, you don't need to be the smartest in the room. You see what happens when you run a business, you don't need to be the smartest in the room. That's the whole thing. Because if you're the smartest in the room, why the other mo' foes in the room?

Bingo, I was just gonna say that. If you're the smartest in the room, you were actually in the wrong damn room. You're in the wrong room to begin with. That's a bad game. This bad game. This bad game before round people do they play it. Let me see what last time.

Let me see. I gotta Google him. Oh Joe. I gotta see keep on talking. Oh Joe. I mean, I just can't believe that Jerry. Yeah, I mean he had to make a move though. Who else who else was up to get no, he had to make a move whatever that move was going to be

No, he didn't He had to make a move of what so let me ask you a question Do you believe he's improved his team with this acquisition because you make a move you're making a move to improve your roster He's gonna make a move. He didn't say it was the move was going to be one to improve the roster But he would he did do it. He added a body He added the body maybe John maybe a change of senior is good for Mingo. Maybe a change of senior is good for him and he comes to the Cowboys and he's able to contribute in a way that he couldn't with the Panthers. Okay. I'm hoping that's the case for the Cowboys.

He was a second round pick out of Mississippi. He had 12 reception for 121 yards. He had one catch in the past four games. Only two games in his career has he had more than four catches. Nah. Hey, this sucks, man. He was averaging, he's tied for the lowest mark by wide receiver with at least 50 targets

at four, less than four yards and less than five yards per target. You know what, you know what also, it's not being in position to make those plays. That's like, I mean, based on the stats that you just read off to me, they're like, here, we're going to give you minimal opportunities with the basics and see what you can do with it. That's why his numbers look like that. Ocho, do you realize? Yes, sir.

They traded Amari Cooper for a fifth round pick to Cleveland. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Again, I don't know why. The Buffalo just traded a third round, the Buffalo, didn't Buffalo just trade a third Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Again, I don't know why. The Buffalo just traded a third round,

the Buffalo, didn't Buffalo just trade a third or fourth round pick to Cleveland to get a coupe? And the Cowboys traded a fourth, fifth. And they just traded a fourth to get this dude. So let me ask you this, at what point in time do you think this dude was better than coupe and should have went for a high pick? Do you think this dude was better than Coop and should have went for a high pick?

The way them owners think boy. No I ain't no owner the way he think. Yeah ain't nobody doing that. He's only in his second year ain't he? Young Bull might be what? Yes he was a second round pick in uh 20 and 23. He's a baby boy. He was a second round pick in 23. He a baby boy. Yeah, he's a baby. He got, he got. They gave him a third to Cleveland to get Amara Cooper. Jerry traded him three years ago for a fifth.

How you trade a guy for a fifth three years ago and three years later, he go for the team that you traded him to for a fifth, trades him for a third. Now why didn't do that? Hey, he go for the team that you traded him to for fifth, trades him for third. Now why they do that, Angel? Hey, he was trying to get that goddamn salary off the books. That's what he was trying to do. Okay, get the salary off the books. But do you realize how foolish you look by doing it?

Yeah. But you still, even though you got, even though you don't have to pay for the upcoming season, you still got dead money on it, on your books. Yeah. So if I got dead money on the books, at least I'm gonna get a high ass draft pick, boy. You know.

Think about this, Ocho, the guy was stuck on the bench. Yeah. So the Panthers wanted to get rid of him. The Panthers got no leverage Ocho he's not playing He's getting what he's had hold on How many catches that he had the last two Hold on

What time is it It's 1229 at 1145 I'm reading a post. I'm hurting and now I owe 2K. Y'all tune in tonight, Cap. We starting now. Now, this is from check mark, blue check mark, Chad Johnson at Ocho Cinko.

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The one and the two is real close to each other. The one and the two, I do this all the time because my fingers are fat. And you know, the keypad on the iPhone is small. So I just. Well, make sure you slip another thousand with that other thousand. Yeah, that definitely was a misprint, mistype.

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Surgery is not off the table. Ocho time for the Jags to move on from Peterson and Lawrence next season. You know, Trevor Lawrence isn't going nowhere. Trevor Lawrence just got paid. He definitely not going to work. You know, so if anything, players get coaches fired based on Trevor Lawrence's performances this year.

He probably could get Doug Petersen might be one of the few bright one of the few bright lights that are shining over there in Jacksonville is that goddamn brightest Tom Jr. And every time I get an opportunity to give young bull praise, that's one of the great things going on for them offensively outside of ATN when he's healthy. offensively outside of ATN when he's healthy, that's it. And Trevor Lawrence, he had the look. He had the look. He has the pedigree, the arm strength, the size and the moxie, all the things the scouts looking

for a franchise quarterback. And I thought he was that. I thought he was that. He just hasn't been able to get over the hump and have the consistency that the other quarterbacks have the CJ Strouds, hell, the Jane Daniels has only been there in a year and he's doing it already. Um, who else? The Joe Burrows, the Josh Allen's until he finds a way to, to find that consistent rhythm week in and week out, you know,

you're going to have bad games. You're going to have bad. He strings them together back to back, the back and shows flashes of brilliance and who we can be. You got to get out of those flashes of brilliance and show a little bit more consistency. And that's the only way the Jaguars are going to be in contention or even. Yeah. I don't know how Peterson saves his job. Not after this year. They missed the playoffs last year. Remember, at one point in time, they were the number one seed in the AFC. And they pretended to lose,

they proceeded to lose the last four or five games and knocked themselves out of playoffs. Not only not win the division, but they don't even make the playoffs. And then the year before, they had a 20, what a 24-nothing, 27-nothing lead, and they end up losing that game in the playoffs against the Chargers. So I think it's just a a matter of time i think it's borrowed time in which he's on i

agree with you doug peterson is not coming back in 25 trevallaris is because they paid him a boat load of money and you move him now that that's gonna probably be 100 plus million dollars in dead cap and plus he's only 25 years of age. So you're not moving on from him, but I don't see it. I like Doug Peterson, but I just don't know how he saves his job. Unless they go on a seven game win streak and end up winning the vision of making the playoffs.

But other than that, Ocho, I don't see how he saves his job. I was gonna say, Christian McCaffrey will make his debut this weekend against the Bucs are the 49ers about to get back on track. Ocho, they got the Bucs at Tampa. They got Seattle at home, at Green Bay, at Buffalo, Chicago at home, Rams at home, at Miami, Detroit at home on a Monday night,

and flex game 2B D against Arizona week 18. Do you think they make, do you think they go on a run? Absolutely. Absolutely. I think they would have went on a run even if CMC didn't come back. I think they would have gone on a run, but just adding him back to that offense and the dynamic that he brings in the past game

and running game is, is, is tremendous. It makes it that much more difficult for you to defend them, you know, defensively. You know, I know Brent Nyuga's out. I think Jawan Jennings is coming back. I could be wrong if I'm not mistaken. D-Bow's back. Kiddles are still there. I know you're at CMC. That makes them that much more dangerous. Mike Shanahan with CMC back. The playbook opens up even more exponentially. That's a big word for me. I can't spell it, but it's a big word for me.

Saquon was drug tested after reverse. I remember today. Ochoa, explain why the NFL does this to people at home. When something spectacular guy has, you know, three touchdown catches or 200 yards or 180 yards rush and the guy has three, four sacks, all of a sudden randomly he comes up on a drug test. Anytime you have a game like that, Jamar Chase, Jamar Chase, please expect the drug test in your locker tomorrow or Monday morning,

whatever, whatever day it is. Normally when you have a performance like that, a performance that doesn't happen as frequent or as often, uh, than a drug test you. I'm not sure what they're thinking they're going to catch. I think they just have insight. Well, this doesn't happen as often as it should. So the fact that it happened today and in this game, and you've had numbers that are kind of extraordinary,

we're gonna test you and see if you took some that resulted in helping you perform the way you did today. It's weird. I never forget. I got drug tested a few times. One that I can remember clear as day was a performance after we played the San Diego Chargers.

I never forget. We played the San Diego Chargers. I think it had a 260-yard day. 260-yard day, two touchdown, two touchdown game. James broke your record tonight. I think he had, what'd he had, 264 tonight? He broke my record last year, his rookie year. Remember he had 266.

Oh yeah, right there. 266, but he broke it last year. He had 264 tonight. And I mean, to be able to have multiple games like that is unreal. And you have to think today, today's game is a lot different than it was when we were playing. You know, it was a little, we were, we were, we were, we were run first. Now they throw the goddamn ball all over the place. You can't play defense. You can't touch nobody.

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His response, I wanted to make a name for myself and show that my hard work earned myself something and I wasn't riding the coattails of everybody. But whenever his NFL career ends, the 31L said he would go back to RD, what is, off his family's company, back to research, I guess research and development, though he said he'll work his way up from the bottom just like everybody else and earn his way

up just like he did in his football career. So the next time you're snacking on McDonald fries, remember those potatoes are likely coming from McConaughey McGovern's family farm. That's dope. That's dope. And I like that. Most of the time when you have success or a kid is born into wealth, they don't have that same drive and that work that it takes

to want to work and actually put the work in to earn and see what it's like to have the responsibilities and what it takes to earn that kind of money to be able to support yourself. So I'm not sure if his parents raised him that way. And, but the fact that he is the way he is is commendable. And then not only for the business to already be successful, but to have an NFL career and say, I'm going to make good money in NFL. And then when I do retire, I'm gonna start from the bottom of the business and work my way back up to the top. Ain't too many people built like that. Yeah, but he should, because I'm sure he doesn't know the business because he was like playing football, college football, NFL football like the people that's already there. Although a lot of times, yeah you're right Ocho, a lot of times family members, hey my family company, I want to start at

a VP level as opposed to an entry level, learn the ropes and work your way up. That's why I've always been impressed by Peyton Manning. His dad made lots of money Eli made lots of money and they go be number one draft picks overall and make careers for themselves You have to commend that when your dad is somebody your mom your family somebody and you say yeah, that's fine and good But I want my own name And I would be you and people used to tell me all the time man. Your brother got money. That's his money My brother don't want to be taking care of no grown ass man. Yeah.

He got a wife and kid. So I want to earn my own. I want to do my own thing. I appreciate everything that my brother gave me. He gave me just enough to make me desire to get more, but on my own. I saw the thing that he had and I, and he knew, he knew I wanted to be like him. Hey bro, check this out, look what I got.

Damn. Inspiring, ain't it? Man, and I went and got everything, with the exception, with the exception, he had a, I don't know if you remember this, Ocho, but in the eighties, they came out with a BMW called the M3. It had a, it had a spoiler on the back and everything. With the exception of that, and he had a Typhoon.

Every other car that my brother had, I got it. You got the one? He got a Ferrari, I got a Ferrari. He got a big Benz, I got a big Benz. Whatever car he had, I got it. Because that's what I saw, that's what drove, that's what motivated me. And for Conor McGriff, a governed family,

to be who they are. And he said, nah, yeah, that's good, fine. But I want my own name. That's loud. And no matter what happens, I've had a NFL career that's spanned in eight years, maybe goes to nine, 10, who knows? But when my career is over, yeah, I'm still young.

Oh, Joe, think about it. You only be 30. Let's just say for the sake of our career goals, another two years. It'd be 33 years of age. Yeah. He can. I mean, he's made good money. He could tie if he want to be said, now we're going to bet the family business and we're going to expand.

So I bet I love that. I love, I love, I love when kids come from wealthy families or well off families and don't feel entitled. I love that. No matter what you, no, you know what you want to say. Cause a lot of times they have access. Bronnie had access. LeBron made sure he had the best trainer. He had the best nutritionist. He had the best coaches.

He had the best of everything. But the kid says I want to make it on my own. Now he's never going to be able to outrun his dad's shadow. His dad is LeBron. It's just like Jordan kids, they're never going to be able to outrun the door's dead shadow. But just because that's my dad, I shouldn't walk for myself. So you mean to tell me I can't I can't walk to accomplish

something just my last name is supposed to get it. I so I commend the kids. I commend them. I love the opportunity. Look, he spoke to you spoke to give them an opportunity. All this old ass nepotism and nip your ass out my face. But like I said, I want I love when kids want to be something on their own. You know what I'm saying?

No joke. But by the way, I can't do anything. I can't help who my parents are. What I was born into, but I have a desire to be known more by more than that. I did that on my own. Yeah, my best my brother. But Sterling can't catch no passes at Savannah State. He can't catch no passes for the Broncos or the Ravens. So no matter what's up and y'all know this, you know this NFL want to know who can help. Can you help? Can you help me win games?

That's all to come down to. Cause Sterling ain't playing over here. He played on the green bay. He up in green bay win games. So kudos to you, Carter McGovern. Ocho, Ramstar Pukka Nakua says he could play in the NBA with ease. I think it would be so easy to transition

from the NFL to the NBA less than three months. Listen, as much as I love Pooka, I love my NFL players, especially the elite players at the NFL level, I don't think they understand. I know you go to LA fitness, you go to the rec center, maybe you play with hoopers sometimes, maybe you play tall players sometimes. But I don't think they understand the difference and how good the, not even the elite, some of the worst NBA players, how good they are once they're in a structured environment. And it's disrespectful for Pooka to be able to say, you know what, I can come in transition and things are going to be easy. Them dudes is good, man.

Even as good as you may think you are when you're playing against regular people. It's different. It's different. I understand that because I ran with them. I ran with them. I ran with them in New York. What's the name of the gym? Everybody work out at 55. Yeah, man, listen, man. I thought I thought I thought I can get out there because I'm I'm quick.

You know, I'm fast and, you know, I'm twitchy. I had I felt bad. I felt embarrassed because I had no get out there because I'm quick, you know, I'm fast and you know, I'm twitchy. I felt bad, I felt embarrassed because I had no business out there. None of my shit was working. But let me ask you this, but here's the thing, Ocho, when you said he can play, I don't think he's talking about he gonna go get you 15, I think he said he gets a rebound or sets some picks.

I mean, that's it, man, you come off a pick unless you got to be a real shooter like that, you know, come off a pick or something like that, come off a screen. But you, man, listen, man, then you got them trees down there too. Six, nine, six, 10, six, 11. And they got 40 in verse.

You got two of that six, six, six, seven. Man, you ain't doing nothing with that, man. You ain't doing nothing with that, man. You ain't doing nothing with that, man. At all, unless you special. And he don't have that kind of talent like a John Maran or a Russell Westbrook where you just finna blow by people based off skill set DNA.

Nah, uh-uh. He got a nice little game. He was on my team in celebrity all-star game. He got a nice little game. I ain't say he got no NBA game, damn. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I'm just making sure now. That's why I say, against regular people, he look good.

Yeah, he gets a three or four rebounds or something like that, I ain't say they may go out there and hit like four, five threes. Hey man, it's different, man. Let me ask you this, what you think is the easier transition? Oh, the easier transition is basketball to football. You think so? Why you say that?

Yeah, because, no, no, no, no, but here's the thing. Normally, guys that transition, they play football. Right. You don't see no football player say, you know what, now, Charlie Ward did. Charlie, but Charlie Ward played football and basketball in college. And you see a lot of guys that transition. Tony Gonzalez played football and basketball.

Julien Peppers. Julien Peppers, football and basketball. Ronald Curry. Yeah, but I think the thing is that it all depends on the position. A lot of times, you're a tight end Jimmy Graham, or you be in a D lineman. You ain't play no Y or C, you ain't play no DB.

Yeah, see, that's my thing. When I told me, when I was getting recruited in high school, they told me, my cousin went to Miami, right? So he ended up playing, he was playing DN and shit. So I'm like, all right, cool. He said, man, look, cuz I ain't gonna lie, the last couple of cats they brought down here,

they was our size, they made tight ends. I said, listen, bro, I'll holla at y'all. I ain't playing no tight end, dog. I ain't blocking, I ain't doing none of that. I'll holla at you. I gotta put on another 45 pounds, 220. Like, no, dog, I ain't doing none of that. I holla at you, I ain't gotta put on another 45 pounds, 220, like no, dog, I'm not doing that. You'd have been good, they'd have put 20 pounds on you,

you'd have been hailing that idea. I'm straight, man, I ain't blocking nobody. Y'all got, see that's the difference for me. See, for football to basketball, intellectually, y'all are way smarter than what y'all seen. Y'all be in these meetings, y'all know all the plays, y'all got a book this long. Bro, I've been on teams with dudes, we got 10 plays.

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