Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Bucs slay Giants, Aaron Rodgers dumpster fire, Unc claps backs

Episode Date: November 25, 2024

Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers slaying The New York Giants. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss the New York Jets’ Aaron Rodgers resisting injury testing to avoid being benched and blame the Jets for their dumpster fire of a season, Unc calls out internet trolls that claim he was paid for his interview with VP Kamala Harris during her run in the United States Presidential election against Donald Trump and much more!03:13 - Bucs beat Giants08:12 - Daniel Jones11:19 - Chiefs beat Panthers17:30 - Broncos17:56 - Money Moves23:30 - Steve Smith Sr tells Ocho story25:26 - Rodgers & his health34:17 - Man said on X carrying a lunch to work is feminine56:37 - Q & Ayyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That was really good. Clearly, Daddy Devito was not the answer with three of four. What you expected? Would you, hey, hey, you saw bigger, bigger, bigger celebration? I'll tell you, that was really good. Clearly Danny DeVito was not the answer. With three or five, 31 yards, with three sacks in the first half, he finished 21 to 31, weighed 89. Malik Neymar said after the game,

I started getting the ball when it was 30 to nothing. What you want me to do? Malik Neymar followed up the question, asked why he didn't have a catch until the second half. Talk the damn about that. It ain't the quarterback. Same outcome when we had DJ at quarterback. Uh-oh.

Uh-oh. Baker-Bakefield, Tampa Bay 137, Baker 30 or 24, 24 or 30, 2944 didn't have a touchdown, but Irving ran 12 carries, 87 touchdowns. Royce, I think Royce, why I think this is the first night our way 12 carries, 37 yards touchdown Baker Mayfield, four cares, 29 yards touchdown Tucker, four carries, three yards touchdown, 32 rushes, one 56, four touchdowns. You can live with that.

I think, uh, Mike Evans street of a thousand yards seasons. Oh, Joe. I think Mike Amonstreet of 1,000 yard season's on show, I think it's gonna come to an end. You know, he missed about five games because of that hamstring injury. I just don't think there's enough games. And he's way, way, I mean, he needs like 800 yards. I think he needs like 700 yards. Now, could he get it? Sure.

But boy, he got his work cut out for him. Danny, Tommy DeVito, 21 he get it? Sure. But boy, he got his work cut out for me. Then Tommy DeVito 21 to 31, what, what, what 80 that he was sacked four times. Uh, they had 20 carries, 76 yards, Malik neighbors had six for 64. But like he said, y'all down 30, which I want me to do. Yeah. It ain't no 30 yard touchdowns out there. So I don't know what y'all want me to do. He frustrated.

He frustrated. Listen, he he's frustrated with his numbers. He's frustrated with a quarterback situation. And you can't, you can't go asking him, especially when a young rookie like that is not getting the ball. He's used to getting fed the ball, you know, coming, coming out of LSU and things aren't the same. He just, you went to a bad team. You went, you went to a bad team. You have to suck it up and do what you can. When the ball comes your way, make the most of the opportunities.

You look at other players, Justin Jefferson, LSU, Jamar Chase, LSU, and then you look at your situation, you be like, well, God damn. I don't care what type of, look, there's gonna be a handful of guys that can overcome black quarterback play. The only guy that really pops out of my mind right now is who D hop when he was a. Yeah, when he was Houston, it was a quarterback carousel in Houston.

Yeah. It didn't matter. Osweiler. It didn't matter. He was right. It didn't matter. But also this, you have to understand during that time, he was the focal point of the offense and they got him the ball and put him in positions

to make plays. Now they not doing that with brother neighbors. Yeah. He a real, I mean, you look like, hey, but still, that's the, he's your best, he's your best player on offense. So I'll give a damn what you do. If you got to just call plays, look here,

we're gonna throw you 20 balls again. We will give you 15 targets a game. Do what it will, which you won't. I'm going to throw him five jam break screens. I'm going to throw him two outs. I'm going to throw him three digs. I'm going to throw him two daggers. I'm going to throw him a slant and I'm going to put his ass in the back feeling. If he come in I'm a shovel it to it. Right. There you go You're 15 targets. Oh It's many as many as many of ways Yeah, I'm gonna play the ball. I mean at this point in time. I'm gonna he's my best offensive player, right? I gotta try to find a way to get in the ball. I

mean Look, we know there's a lot more pressing issues than Daniel Jones But I'm not so sure if you put Daniel Jones behind the great wall of China, he's going to be the guy to get you to a Super Bowl. Because at the end of the day, that's what you're asking the quarterback, Ocho. When I pay you that kind of first of all, I drafted you high. Excuse me.

When I pay you that kind of money, I pay you $40 million to just to win the division. You got to be getting to the next level. You got to be getting me to the next level. You got to get me to and possibly win a Super Bowl. Now, realizing that everybody can't win the Super Bowl, but you got to, for that kind of money, Ocho, you got to at least get me there. Or I got to feel like I can get there with you. Right.

And I think the thing, look, and once you lose confidence in somebody, it's kind of, Ocho, when you lose confidence, you lose trust in somebody, it's kind of, Ocho, when you lose confidence, you lose trust in somebody, it's time to move on. It's time to move on. It really is. Look, I wish I feel bad for it. Cause you know, I know what it's like,

you wanna make a name for yourself. How can I make a name for myself with this? And then obviously not only make a name for yourself, you wanna live up to the goddamn hype. You wanna live up to the bass spot in which you were chosen which were chosen to. I think everybody knows he legit. Oh Joe, he just don't have anybody to get into football.

He the real deal. Daniel Jones is in high demand with multiple teams interested. Ravens, Vikings, Lions, Niners, dolphins are expected to pursue Daniel Jones. Dolphins. Yeah. You said dolphins. Did you read that right? Ravens, Vikings, Lions, Niners, Dolphins.

All the teams, of all the teams, which team do you like him best for I'll tell you I like him best for Raiders dolphin wait say it again Ravens Vikings Lions Niners Dolphins Maybe the Raiders everybody else don't really make no goddamn sense. Ravens, Vikings, Lions, Niners, Dolphins, where the hell you get Raiders from? Oh you say Raids? Ravens! Ravens! Ravens! Ravens! Well here, none of them make no sense to me because JJ coming back with the Vikings, shit Lamar's over there and got them in Baltimore. Two is over there. None of it makes sense to me.

I like the Ravens. But what? Because he is the office. If something happens to Lamar, you don't have to change your office. You can run him. He can run. He got athletic ability.

Everybody else, you got to change, scrap your whole office. Everybody, everybody's got to draw back screen. OK. Hey, I have him like that. I had a joke like, oh, what's it called? Like up in Buffalo. We're running quarterback. Hell, yeah.

It makes sense because you can't do it. We've seen him do it before. So I see, I see, I see you going with it. It just still don't make sense to me. None, none, none of those teams. It doesn't make sense. He's a starter, but let's just say

what you call him get Nick. You think he's done as a starter. Not this year. I mean, somebody I'm not talking about this. I'm just saying in general, you think he's got an opportunity to start again. No, he's got an opportunity to start. OK.

You get up to start. I don't know where, but look, strange things have happened, Ocho. Yeah, that it has gardener Mitch, you start the way he was. He broke his collarbone today, Ocho. Yes, I saw that I saw that the bronco country y'all know we do Bronco country Y'all alright, hey they got damn Bo Nicks plans and got them

Don't talk about my quarterback. I don't even want to don't even say I don't worry. He's a boat or nicks You can say both or nicks. You can say both. You can't even say both Jackson. No, no, don't do that. I'm just going to be honest with you. He play. He play, but he play some good ball. He plays in the ball. Yeah, he's unbelievable.

The Chiefs escaped Carolina with the last second win. Tied in, Noah Gray, two touchdowns, which is the most yards of separation the Chiefs received in a touchdown in the past two seasons. He was wide open, needless to say. After weeks of carrying the offense, Steve Spagnola's crew hit a November low

for consecutive week KC defense allowed 325 plus yards. We knew it was gonna happen, Ocho. I'm, I've been, I've been a part of a historic defense. Yeah. But there are games that if we didn't play our absolute best offensively, we would have lost. Right. That's what Kansas City had to do today. Turnovers, it probably would have lost the game. My home was 27 to 37, two 69, three touchdowns.

Got sacked five times though. Noah gray, four catches, 66 yards, two touchdowns. Travis Kels is like, man, y'all love it. Doubling and tripling B and he eat every week. He had two last, he got, what do you have two today? He had one last, I think he had like two last week. He got five or six touchdowns. Yeah. Hey, that's, that's, that's the Kelsey effect. Yeah. Uh, for sure.

Not, we not letting you beat me. I'm not, I'm not, but the office of lineman, man, it seems like, I don't know, maybe, maybe it's my television, but it seems like every time a home's dropped back, he running for his life. He is, he is for his life. He is That left I mean no disrespect, but the tackle play is very bad. I Tackle play is is very bad. I Tell you what if the 49ers if the 49ers let

Dove go Try treat T Dub. Yeah. Kansas City better back the brain stroke up to get it. You know they're gonna back it up. Even at his age, he's still one of the best. He might be the best. He's still that boy. He's still him. I mean, cause they tried to get him in free agency and Kansas City, you know, he's familiar

with Kyle. He played for Mike know, he's familiar with Kyle, he played for Mike, so he's familiar with that situation. But I think Ocho, with an opportunity, he wants an opportunity, he wants to win. He wants to win that Super Bowl. And Kansas City, as long as you got that quarterback and you got that head coach,

I think they're better positioned than the 49ers. That's just me personally, I couldn't be wrong. But can you imagine him in left tackle protecting that blind side? Man, she. Um, Ocho has Bryce Young turn the corner. Young hasn't set the world on fire by any means, but his QBR QBR has improved each of the past three games. Today, he went toe to toe with Patrick Mahomes and that defense.

He led a pair of second half touchdown drives. The second one tied the game and forced Mahomes to have to drive for the winning field goal, which of course he did. Uh, young finished 21 to 35, 263, uh, touchdown pass, no intercession against one of the league's best defense. He looked especially good against the Blitz completing 11 or 13 passes averaging 10.4 yards per attempt. He looked good.

Yeah. Young Bull got his confidence. young bull got his confidence. Young bull got his confidence. I'm glad, obviously after the benching and what happened early in the season, it didn't affect him. It didn't affect him, but at one point, I think he was shot.

It was shot. Yeah. It was shot. And now to see the Carolina Panthers play the way they're playing right now and fighting the way they're fighting right now, not getting blown out, especially by one of the better teams in the league, two bowl champion from last year, even though they're not playing as good as they should be, the Carolina

fans look good. So there's some promise there, especially at the quarterback position. Uh, I happen to agree with the Ocho. Um, look, the guy played in the big time program. Every game for Alabama was a big game. He's been in big pressurized moments. Yeah. The man just didn't forget how to play football.

You got to protect him. They did a better job of protecting it and you got to give him some weapons. Is that asking too much? No, not at all. Kansas City was eight or 13 on third down, which had to be one of their best third down outings. Because that's the ball, still penalties, got them. Red zone still, two or five in the red zone, Ocho. That'll get you beat.

Yeah, you're playing a better team. It sure will. Yep. But I was, I was happy to see Bryce, Bryce Young. Um, he threw the ball with conviction. They, they, they pressured him spags, heated him up, but he stood there and faced adversity and stared it down and he, uh, he made some big time plays. Uh, you know, look, there are no more victories, but I think that gives them

confidence like, bro, I went head to head with my homeboy and that defense over there I know I belong because that's what it takes. I think you know as a young player me I got my first touchdown. I caught it on Kevin Ross He went to the pro bowl the year before I think he's the three or four time Pro Bowl players and all pro at one Point I think but he was one of the better cornerbacks in the league Once I beat him for a touchdown, it was over you could could hit me in the ass with a red apple, Ocho. Oh, I can. Oh, I can beat you for a touchdown. Yeah. I can beat anybody.

Everybody out here ain't going to the Pro Bowl. Right. So y'all about to catch hell. That's I can promise you that. And then that's when I know I started to get good, Ocho, because as I started to get better, even before I started making a name for myself, they started putting the Albert Lewis on The Apple Lewis if I can say one person made me the player I became it was him He made you work you made you work for it, huh, it was him

long fluid 6 to 180 He never gave me the same thing he would feather you, he would play off, he would quick jam me, what we call freeze. I mean, he would clue. I mean, from time to time, and I'm just studying him. You know, sometimes he's physical, sometimes he's not. But I just knew if I could consistently beat him, nobody else had a chance. And once I got like, I can... It was a wrap for everybody else.

They had no chance, Ocho. The nation, Broncos beat the Raiders 29-19. Grona Mintu is out for the season with a broken collarbone. Bo Nicks over the last nine games. 19-2, two INTs. Now what we thought was a foregone conclusion is a lot closer if not Bo Nicks in the league

for the offensive rookie of the year. Can I get a witness? Now, hold on, Old Joe. Now it's time for money moves presented by Draft Kings. We got, hold on, hold on Joe. Oh, despite having the same record and throwing four more touchdowns, DraftKings currently has mixed second for offensive rookie of the year. Jane Daniels, 135 Jane Daniels, both Nick plus one team, both Nick's.

They played the same amount of games. Both Nick's has two thousand five hundred forty eight yards, 16 touchdowns, six interception. Jane Daniels, twenty six hundred thirteen yards, twelve touchdowns, five interception. Oh, Joe. They both have twelve. There's seventy five. They both have 12, they're 75. They both got to play 12 games.

Mm hmm. OK. So guess what? They got five games left. Yeah. Who's your rookie of the year? You know what? I have to see the goddamn schedule. And just just to be honest with you, just to get a good look at it. Looking good for the commanders. got Dallas again they got the Eagles

again I think they got the Giants again okay that's two wins Cowboys and Eagles Falcons Saints Titans all the you know what outside of the Eagles every other game is winnable now with the Broncos looking like We got the Browns. Oh shit coats Oh charges Bengals and the Chiefs. Oh we got I say I see I know two wins on there for show me Name it. I don't know where's all that for show. Oh, no, what's the two wins? You what's the two?

We think I don't want to jinx it. I only want to jinx it. I don't even want to jinx it. Oh, okay. Okay. We'll just make a show. Nah, but in all seriousness though, Bo Nicks playing Bo Nicks playing really well. He's playing really well. Now, he was a little shaky, you know, when the season started. Yes. But he's really coming to his own, especially after him when he bumped up and got damn Sean Payton.

Yeah. Sean Payton. Well, young bull been playing some hell of a, hell of a football since then. He is. And hey, they got a chance to, hey, they got a chance right now to get a wild card. Yeah. Oh yeah.

They absolutely got a chance to get a wild card. It's gonna be close. Look, Jane Daniels had that Hail Mary. I can just imagine had they won this game because now you have two spectacular plays and that's what people remember. They remember the Hail Mary and then he had the 80 plus yard to Terry McClory. But I like Bo Nicks. I think you know what?

It's a coin flip. I really see it as a coin flip. I do. Between the two of them? Yep. Yeah. Yeah. It's a coin flip. And I don't think four weeks ago, we thought it would be a coin flip. We thought it was a foregone conclusion. Inclusion that Jane Day was the rookie of the year. Yeah. What. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's all right. It don't matter. It don't matter. We're gonna play. Don't do that. What last time you won a game? If you hadn't won a game in two,

three weeks, I don't want to hear you say foot, ball. I don't want to hear you say boat or Knicks. There's two, you can't say none of that. You had to at least win a game in the last two weeks. If you ain't do that, don't say boat or nicks and don't say foot or bow. Well, you're going to be mad now. I'm telling you, I'm telling you, you're going to be mad. You're going to be real mad. Okay. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters

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Steve Smith Sr. tells the story about playing with Ocho at Samo Chuko. At the time, we didn't like each other because he was from the South. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Spitty. Hey, there was some good days, man. There was some good days. I mean, everything was different.

Obviously, me obviously being from Miami and the way they did things in LA and Steve and I really never seen eye to eye. We uh I think we I think we got we I think we fought before too. We we had we had a little fight little disagreements but when it was time to get on that field and play yeah well we was hell boy. It's pretty crazy man. Like you say we was we was hell when we was well. Yeah. Yeah we was good and he the same Steve Smith the same Steve Smith you saw on NFL He was exactly the same back then at Santa Monica. Oh, yeah same Oh, he didn't play he played he played angry. Oh, yeah He played mean like it to me I look at him like well goddamn who did something to you? Yeah He don't know his face now.

He's still that way. Now, he look, you tell you, he done with the therapy. You know, he done talk to you. He done calm down a lot. But hey, you don't play. Nah, at all. And then I would say the same way I was in NFL was the same way I was when I was there.

Still fun, still making jokes, still having a good time, huge personality, huge personality, you know, nothing to change. And we were two completely side to two completely different sides of the spectrum. Yeah. Came down to play some ball. Yeah. We can give we're going to give you some good football. Just in two different ways. They're spending their bad.

That does bad. My dude. But I tell you what, as as guys that he played against. Did he play? Yeah, oh no, he don't play all that joke into that kiki kid. Uh-uh None of that And Rogers played it close to the vest when it comes to his health this season according to Ian Rappaport Rappaport reported today that Rogers had resist

getting scans done, not wanting to reveal the severity of his injuries out of fear of having to come off the field. Rogers has dealt with ankle, knee, hamstring issues this season while leading the Jets to a three and eight record. Rappaport described the hamstring injury as a particular significant one. Hello, how can you do, how? It's the Jets' fault, injury as a particular significant one. Hello.

How can you do? How? It's the jet foam because they've allowed this kind of latitude. Oh, you can't deny. You got to get a, they say you got to get an X-ray or MRI. You got to get an X-ray MRI. Well, this is Aaron Rodgers.

He makes that call, though. This is Aaron Rodgers. He makes that call. They gave him the key. They gave the keys to the goddamn is not metal lands. What's what's met life met life? Yeah, I know it's all with him. Yeah, you gave me keys when you gave him the keys.

This is the type of this is the type of shit you get. It's what you get. I'm not going to let you know what's wrong with me. Why? So you can bench me. So you try to take my money. I'm not sure the language that's in the contract. Oh, you know, he ain't gonna pay by that money. Oh no.

It's been leaked that there's a chance that he might get benched or even cut. Just bitch him. If that's what you wanna do. How many times have they benched a player that was healthy? Hell, they just last year, we saw them bench Russ. Yeah.

Yeah. Hey, it's gonna get ugly over there too. Of course. Well, this is what happened. It's gonna get ugly. When you give somebody that kind of power and then you try to take it back. They could be I Because he knew what you gotta what you flew your staff out there on a private plane

And you knocked on his door. He can hold all the cards. Yeah, the moment He says I won't Alan Lazar the moment. He said I wanted a Adam not not the body The moment he said, I wanted a, I want to Adam, not not the bar date. Yeah. The moment you started accuracy, the moment you Nathaniel hack it, you gave him all, you gave, you gave him all the leverage. Right.

The one thing we know about a person with power, once he has it, he's not trying to give it back. Coach. Oh, in no situation. I don't know what it back, Coachell. In no situation. I don't know what the, is it your fault, Jets? It's your fault? But if you notice, Green Bay, no, bro, we're not telling you to coach. You got no say on who we hire or who we fire.

Right. You got no say on who we draft. You got no say on who we sign in free agency. You got no say. Think about it. His best friends, what do they do? They cut Clay Matthews, Jr. They moved on with Jordan Nelson. Right. They moved on that.

No, we're not giving you that kind of power. One thing one, they knew he would abuse it. Yeah. And that's your character. Your character will reveal that. They knew. They knew, they knew exactly. Ocho, when you're, and see this is what fans,

listen to Ocho and I. When you're around somebody, as much as we're around our teammates, we see them more than their own family. Yeah. But that period of time, from when we get the training camp until the season's over, every day, seven, eight hours a day, we hear you talk. We hear your move. We see your interaction. We see when the cameras aren't around when the media is not

around because you got a different you got a different side with media around when the cameras around. We get a we get we get to see you in your totality. The real you the real you the unvarnished unpolished. Green Bay new Green Bay new Green Bay That's what if you notice go back and look at what he says He said people at quarterbacks in my position normally have a little bit more say normally have a say

Who comes who goes. Go back and look, I ain't making this up. Yeah. They never gave him what Tom. And coach Belichick didn't even give it to Tom, but like a Peyton. Right. Mahone said when Andy said he was gonna,

they were talking about worthy, he's like, okay. They called it. Hey, why don't you go down there and work out and let me know what you think. What do you think about X? What do you think about Y? Right. In Tampa, when he when Tom got to Tampa, but the one thing you know, they knew Tom would never abuse his power.

He would never abuse the privilege. It wasn't as it wasn't in his character. He wasn't in his character. It's just not him. But see Green Bay had a history of dealing with a quarterback like Rogers because his predecessor was that exact same way. Yeah. You always say they're tolerating today. What did it replace you?

I don't care who you are. If you go back and study the history of the NFL, Joe Montana did not finish in San Francisco. Jerry Rice did not finish in San Francisco. Emmett Smith did not finish in Dallas. Bruce Smith did not finish in Buffalo. Neither did Thurman Thomas. The nature of the baby now everybody look

They wanted to move on but Sometimes you know Joe wanted to start was Joe hurt his back and Steve came in Steve one MVP How do you go back? How you go even after Joe Montana? The guy just won MVP. Yeah, okay Yeah, come on that we got to be real about this. Steve won the MVP. You're not going, you're not going back to even that Joe Montana, a four time Super Bowl winner, a three time Super Bowl MVP and MVP. You know, I didn't know. But Green Bay had had a history of dealing with quarterbacks. Right.

But. This is going to get you. I agree with you, Ocho. I think it's going to get ugly. It is going to get up. And they want they want a benching boy. You know, you know what they want? More than anything, they want him out of the building. You think they're cutting. But they won't they won't help.

They want him to do what they want him to do, what Daniel Jones did. As for a ask my release. Damn, is that bad? That's messed up. That's me personally, I do. I think I think they want to cut it because look that he's still there in Rogers Do you really want that on your hands? You'd have got it. You're the team that released air Rogers, right? With all the turmoil now look what coach Belichick got for letting Tom Brady go

And he did Tom contract was out, but I remember having the conversation I said when they did not extend time, you knew it was a wrap. I see going. Yeah. He's a done with this. He said, after, although you mean to tell me after all the pay cuts. Hey, remember, I told you all you see how you took all them pay cuts and what he did, they still let him go.

Tom Brady, six super bowls, All them pay cuts and what he get in, they still let him go. Tom Brady, six Super Bowls, four at the time MVPs, three regular season MVPs, all that he had done, all the pay cuts, the team still said bye bye. So if they'll do that to him, what you think your team would do to you? Get all your money all of it every time that's what I think personally I do and I just hate when players, you know, look that's his legacy I hate to see players late in their career jump from team to team. You know what I'm saying? Oh, that's his legacy um i hate to see players late in their

career jump from team to team you know what i'm saying oh that's when it happens though huh it normally happens late in your career especially and it's we hate to see it when it's when it's prominent players that you used to seeing in one place for over a decade long the back end is nothing nice the back backing of your career is nothing nice. Man on Twitter, a man said Twitter on fire this weekend when he wrote, carrying a lunchbox to work is a feminine trait.

There's absolutely nothing manly about that. Damn, okay. Hold on. Can a man do anything? You can't take no motherfucking lunch to work. Hey, I tell you, oh Joe, ask them. I used to I had a you know what I'm gonna have what's going on. I had a Spider-Man and a and a lunchbox that I took the I took the demo with my food in

it. For real. I'm gonna have I'm to have Shelly to say, I'm going to show you. Hold on. Dirt and whiskey had a goddamn plate of goddamn food. He took the goddamn work. Every home game. Yeah.

If you construction worker, you have a lunch box that you take with you. Yeah, no, every day. My my stuff was like plastic. My stuff was like a kid. I have. you have a lunchbox that you take with you. Yeah. My my stuff was like plastic. My stuff was like a kid. I have this. Oh, you talking about the the aluminum. Yeah. It

wasn't like it wasn't like they they got the thermos down in there. They got it. Yeah. Yeah. You drop it on you can hit it with a rock and you can't dent it. I didn't have one of those construction workers on a lunchbox. But what? See, you see what happened?

No, no, no. To the point now, man, if you carry, if you carry a nurse. Oh, that's feminine trait. If you carry a lunchbox, that's feminine trait. If you wear this, that's a feminine trait. Hey, that's that new age bullshit, man. That's the way to write. Well, you can't even hot dogs no more.

You know, every time I get hot, I go to a sporting event. Everybody looking at me like it's summer. What you doing? Eating hot dogs no mo, you know, every time I get hot I go to a sporting event Everybody looking at me like it's summer. What you doing eating hot dogs Haven't going to sporting events since the 80s and I like my goddamn hot dogs enough to eat my hot dogs I don't care what y'all talking about Both of me to them, too Yeah And you know what it is, Ocho? It's the guys. I've never, and today's society,

men have become so obsessed, that used to be women. Oh, look at her, she thinks she's something. Men have become, men are worse than women now. Men have become so obsessed with what other men wear. Why? What? Tell me, what do you lose by man wearing a blouse or he wearing tight clothes whatever what do you lose by that none at all I'm just like a lunchbox so when did a lunchbox become a

feminine trait? Never, never has been. But I guess, listen, they change the rules as time goes. They change the rules as time goes. But that's- Everybody wanna look the same. Everybody wanna be the same. They wanna keep it real, as they call it.

Quickly real what? You sound foolish. I never understood it. I thought really keeping it real is basically following the script. You know, ain't no cameras rolling. Why are you following the script? Yeah, do you? Be yourself. Man, man, oh, you still wearing them tight? Yeah, I like my clothes. I work out. I ain't out of shape like you. I mean, if I had a BMW body made wrong, I wear big clothes too, to hide it. Y'all built like a garment bag and they mad at me.

What BMW stand for again? Body made wrong. Hey, let me drop that gun. I'm gonna use that. I like that, but I don't understand. It's the men. There be more men looking at me and talking about what he got on. Oh, I promise I get, I go to bed at night.

I don't think not one time or what, what's what player NFL player, uh, uh, uh, what they want to the stadium, what the basketball players just because I don't want to be I can't wear all that stuff that she'll just arrest or all this. I can't wait. And I'm too muscular. I'm too 55 to 60. I can't wait a little skinny. Yeah, I can't. I can't wear that shit.

I'm but I'll tell you what I would do. I'll put my aloe on. I put my lulu. And go lulu lulu lemon. I can't wear that shit. But I'm gonna tell you what I would do. I'll put my aloe on, I'll put my Lulu. And go on my- Who's Lulu? Lulu Lemon. They come at, they, Lulu Lemon come in your size? Yeah. For real? Guess what? If they don't got my size, I squeeze my big ass in it.

How about that? They don't tell me what the F to wear. Don't nobody play, don't nobody play no bills over here. Please. I guess what? I got a shoehorn upstairs. You know, you are a shoehorn. You squeeze your foot in the shoe. Yeah. Nobody tell me what to do.

Look here, it was like the last person that could really tell me what to do. She passed away. In 2011, now I do listen to my sister a lot, probably the female that I listen to the most, my sister, because she likes shadow, she don't really like facial hair. I don't have no facial hair. She like me. She likes me to wear shirt with no tie. If you notice I've kind of moved away from the shirt with no tie. Right. Okay fine. Anybody else? Right. Yeah that's a good look. I want to get back to the

Lulu Limit stuff. Yeah. What's the price point? Oh, it's this called athleisure. It's expensive. Expensive. I mean, don't worry. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Don't tell everybody. Somebody need to give me a deal to. Yeah, don't worry about it. I heard I heard the word expensive.

I'm good. Yeah. But look, I wear others. I wear, you know, it all depends. But man, I know what I'm going to change what I do. Hey, I'm a. Hey. I'm going to do me. I'm going to do me. I'm going to do me, Ocho. I'm not going to change. I'm not going to change for you all.

I mean, I'm not. I'm me. At the end of the day, I got to be me. I'm going to be true to me. Y'all don't like it. All y'all looking at the hood. I don't know who don't like it. They love it. They love all shape it.

Who that Michelle? There you go. That I'm just throwing that out. Yeah, my baby. Somebody somebody wrote a a chat about it Lulu lemon for women. Tell me you ain't got no money and you ain't never been to Lulu lemon. That's what that just told me. They got a man. They got a man, you know. They cater to everybody.

See, if you don't open your mouth, how would I ever know how dumb you are? right But when you open your mouth you remove all that man. I don't think he's I don't think he all their old joke And then he started talking see what I told you old Joe. Mm-hmm And you look everybody look I promise you, every high end retailer has made some disparaging remark remark about some, some group. So what am I? I'll be out here, but thank you.

Yeah. Basically you wouldn't be able to wear nothing or eat something cars you drive. Somebody has said something. So what am I supposed to do? Oh, Joe, cast a boss, fire, fire me off, find me some woman that can As far as you drive, somebody has said something. So what am I supposed to do, Ocho? Cast a bus? Find me some woman that can sew clothes and just have her make clothes for me?

Hey, don't think I ain't trying to, Nelly Belly. I'm trying to get a deal with Skims. Show Leels, I sure am. Sure am. Man, I tried to hook you up a long time ago. Man, you can't. I'm trying to get a deal with skins. I ain't talking about talking to the woman. I'm trying to get a deal with the, with the, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, no, no. What are you talking about, man? Oh, Joe, let me tell you something about O'Shea.

All right. I'll tell you something about me. Yes, sir. My grandfather said, but I was a little boy. He said, boy, never put your dick in your wallet. What do you mean? But when you at work. Yeah. Stay away. You don't mess with somebody. If I'm if I'm if I'm dealing with somebody, we got a relationship

where she's doing something for me Why would I miss that up because now we go our separate ways guess what she pulls the contract? Hmm, so why would I do that? Okay Okay, I keep I keep I keep the thing the thing I keep business business right keep the main thing the main things Okay, okay. Okay. Keep the main thing to main things. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yes. I wouldn't know. No. Oh, don't mess your money up. Yeah. I don't think you would have messed it up but I know I know I'm not. I know I'm not. I

understand what you're going with. I'm trying to I'm trying to get the A. So, if somebody can pass that along to Mrs. Kardashian, I would greatly appreciate it. I do a photo shoot and everything. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blindside, and Liar's Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life.

The referee, the coach. The expert. My next season is all about fans and what the rise of sports betting is doing to them, to the teams, and even to my family. I'm heading to Las Vegas and New Jersey and beyond to understand America's newest form of legalized gambling. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. It's the official undergarment of the NBA. Yeah.

If you think you're not good enough for the NBA, NBA players wear it. Hold on. Say with me now. We get, we schemes could be the official undergarment for nightcap. enough for the NBA NBA players wear it. Hold on check stay with me now we get with skims could be the official undergarment for nightcap. They sure could. I like that I do a photo shoot too. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah I like that. We can have a little nightcap right there on have skims on one side nightcap on another. Nightcap on another. Yeah. Matter of fact another. I give another. Yeah. It's this. Matter of fact, Kim gonna see, they gonna see this. Kim gonna see this. Yeah, I

hope so. Y'all need to, but y'all need to stop this. Everything. I look, I understand. But a lunchbox, I don't think is, is gender specific. I think a lunchbox that make men and women. I mean, you, you gotta, you gotta understand. You gotta think about the, the era we come from. We carry lunchboxes. Yeah, we did. We carry lunchboxes. I mean, you got to understand. You got to think about the era we come from. We carry lunch boxes. Yeah, we did. We carry lunchbox.

The boys carry lunchboxes. I don't think they understand. They don't understand. They don't understand that. These are young folk, man. Yeah. And we get some skin tone, because I think Kim dub skim skim skin tone right I don't

know somebody but they might not be they get scared my color they might not see them but y'all didn't stop this with this with this footage just bad and plus as much I don't know I carry because I got phones I got phones, I got my wallet, I got all my stuff in there. So I don't wanna hold my stuff in my hands. And I don't know. I got one too, mine right here. Yeah.

My little, my little rimmawa. I carry my phone, right? Yeah. Carry my phone Yeah, carry my little ear pods. I wish I would show you my cash, but I'm out of town right now. I'm going nobody. Nobody bothered me. Good.

I was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't care. I put my chapstick. You know, I'm going nowhere without my chapstick. Hey, I'm trying to get I'm trying to get a deal because, you know, with this chapstick, I'm trying to. Hey, well, hold on. Now you got one deal at a time.

We we got let's work on schemes first. Don't be worried about. Oh, Joe, just a don't think. Look, we we we we got we got a team that's working. Trust me. Even though we don't do a whole lot of talking, we definitely. Twenty twenty five. Hey, we've given us some specific instructions.

Right. Right. OK, well, since we talk about, expect 25 to be better than 24 for sure. Oh, it is. It is. It is. Because it's only one. It's only one way for us to go. Good. So, you know, you know, in a good newspaper, the world records, if you looked up, you know what? That in the conversation, but they ain't the conversation before. My bad. Don't worry about it ain't the conversation for that. Ain't the conversation for my bad.

Don't worry about it. Yeah, we use that. But. We got some we got some we got some trust. We got some stuff working, Ocho, but oh, oh, yeah. Oh, let me tell you something. Remember that number I threw out yesterday? Yeah. Yeah. 200 million were you hear me? And I ain't I ain't never been wrong.

So when it happened and when it comes to fruition, I didn't manifest it. I'm telling you what God told me. Man, go ahead. Oh. Bad cat, tell me about, tell me about, oh, you can't tell me about, you can't put that baby on me, no skills.

Man, y'all need to get out of my face with this foolishness. And you know, the big thing was, you know, I did the interview with, with, with Kamala and everybody's like, I don't look, I don't know. I mean, I guess there are some people that she did and they, she paid them to do them. You get paid. All you gotta do is look back to FCE, federal election commission, right? That's who keeps track of what the campaign paid. Oh, you gotta look.

Y'all keep asking me, look, why my name didn't come out? If I got paid, don't you think I would have been on that list? But I thought y'all love capitalism. Oh, y'all love capitalism as long as it don't look like me. As long as it don't look like me. God, I like it. Don't look like me. You're all for capitalism. But you all did ask, did you all ask Joe Rogan?

Did Trump pay you to interview him? Did you all ask Theo Vonn? Did Trump pay them to interview him? Did you all ask Tucker Carlson? Did you all ask Fox News? Who did you all ask? Are you all just asking black? I didn't get paid anything.

Well, who paid you? Ain't nobody paid me. We have advertisers and sponsors. Y'all see when we roll, we come on their ads. Y'all say, man, all the ads. Yeah. How do you think we still, how do you keep the lights on? I got 17, 18 people employed. Actually 19 now about to have 2021. So how do you how do you think how do you think we pay?

How do you think I pay ash? How do you think I pay Jordan? How do you think I play graphics and editors and CJ? So I'm supposed to do it for free. We're not a nonprofit. So yes, we have advertisers, we have sponsors. And so when we go out, we run the ads throughout the interview, just like we run ads from time to time. BMW, you see the ads.

But no, I didn't make no money. People got to say, I don't pay for interviews. I don't have a problem, Ocho, for people that does pay for interviews. That's just not the model that we use. We don't need it. So no, and I think it's both is beneficial. Yes, I did offer cat because cat gave us something cat really put. Not only did he put club Shasha, but he put Shasha media on the map.

He took me to a whole new level. He said he was. Yes, I offered to pay Kat because I thought that's what I should do. That would have been the right thing to do. Kat did not accept it. He would not accept it. But I didn't make any money. But y'all y'all know I didn't make no money because if it was, it had been news. They had to scroll over all these sites. y'all had it all over the place.

But y'all didn't. Y'all don't ask that of anybody else other than people that look like me. Why? I thought y'all like capitalism. Oh, it depends on who it is. It always depends on who it is. Oh, how interesting. Interesting. So but it's all good.

Look, I had a great time. I don't know if I'll ever get an opportunity again to ever interview a presidential candidate that was not on my bingo card when we started Club Shae Shae in September of 2020. If somebody would have told me that, Shana, one day you'll be able to sit down with a person that's running for the president of the United States, I would not have believed them.

Just goes to show you where the platform is going. And hopefully that when they come on, it's mutually beneficial. Uh, I think our viewing and listening audience really loved the guests that we come on have on. I think we try to have, uh, as entertaining of a guest as we possibly can, the team do as, uh, as deep a dive as we possibly can, Ocho and try to, you know, to dig in and try to ask the guest questions that maybe they haven't have never been asked or haven't talked about in a very, very long time.

Right. And I always ask you, there's something that you don't want to talk about, but for the most part, and the guests always reach back out and say, Hey, I really, really enjoyed it. You know, um, you can tell you really do your homework and I never, I've never watched an interview of one of my guests before I have them on. And one of the reasons why they open up to me, Ocho, because I don't look at them with judgy eyes. And they know that I let them speak my job. You don't want to hear from me.

You want to hear my voice ask the question. After that, I step back. Right. That's their truth. I don't know what anybody else want. I'm not everybody, baby. Everybody. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not everybody. Like I said, if y'all want Dateline, y'all want Oprah, there are places you can get those box news. See if that's what you're looking for, but if you want to have a good time, if you want to guess if we got Kiki, Kiki was unbelievable. I couldn't wait for you guys to see that because she was amazing. Yeah. Kiki nice. Oh, she was amazing. She, I mean, she's young, but she has an old soul. Right. She talks like a woman that's much older than her age. Right. But she was great.

She was great. All the guests. That's one thing I want to say. All the guests. I've had a great time. I've learned so much more about them because I think that's the thing. What shocks me, Ocho, is that when I'm interviewing them, I'm hearing it for the first time, just like you are.

And I'm like, damn. And sometimes when she cracked that joke earlier, that was was, oh, that was like too many sin. Oh, that's what Michelle said. I had no idea. She was I, I was trying to think of this woman know anything about that situation. I mean, the whole world know about that situation, man. You know, you ain't going to be able to let that down, man.

You know, let that down. It was good, though. It was good. It was good. It was good. You know, it was good. That was she said. He ain't gonna go there. You see that? I look at you. I look at you. You see what I mean? You see what I mean? Now, man, it's been great, man.

If it's been it's been great, man, I mean, it's great. I mean, 2424 has been unbelievable. Oh, Joe, hey, this has been good. You hear me? 25 is going to be even better. This year is this year has been really good. But 25 is going to be even better. I appreciate you guys, man. I appreciate we appreciate it.

Shade media appreciate the support that you've given both nightcap and club Shasha, because none of this is possible without you. And what that what? Listen. Yeah, all the stuff that's transpired all the you know the negativity that's been going on I know one thing in order for us to be where we are we have way more positivity we have way more people pulling for us oh Joe yeah then not oh yeah most definitely most definitely and that's that's what definitely. And that's what gives me the comfort at night. It's like, man, Shanna, you worried about the words of a hateful few? And they're going to keep taking the shots, Socho.

But they're about to have a reason to take some shots. Oh, we got something coming. Oh yeah. Well, you ain't got to tell me. I told you what he told me, huh? I'm not going to tell you to tell me. I told you what he told me, huh? I'm not gonna tell you no more. I'm telling you what he told me, huh? I ain't gonna lie to you.

I lie for you before I lie to you. I'm telling you what he told me. You think your cup runner's over now? All right. All right, Ocho. Last save of the night. Time for Q&A. Hold on, I got a pee pee.

How much y'all wanna bet he gonna come out there, he gonna come out the bathroom, he gonna have a towel, pretend like he washing his hands. I'm watching y'all, I'm watching that. He gonna come out there, he gonna come out there real quick. He gonna come out there with a towel. You know I had to wash my hands, uh, man, come on, uh, you know I had to wash my hands, number water,, come on. You know I had to wash my hand.

Number water, ain't no soap. And they gonna be, watch, watch what I tell you now. Wash your hands, Ocho. He he he. Ha ha ha. Watch how he come out. Watch how he come out? Why'd you come out of there?

Damn. What you have for this? Huh? chat chat. What it do chat chat. Look at it. chat. Do I I'm surprised he ain't come out there with no bath towel on him. Make sure he know he washed his hands. Who? You. Yeah, you know, I washed my hands.

I told you. I told him you were going to come out of there. I'll never get sick. Towel dry. You got to wash your hands now. Look at that. Look at his hand. They ashy.

No, they're not. Look at his hand. Look at his hand. They ashy. I told you. I ain't sure. Tay saying, what's up, uh. What's up, uh, how do you feel about streaming services

taking all game? You need 32 prescriptions to watch the full slate. Yeah. Bro, that's where it's headed. Because linear television doesn't have the money that these streaming services have. You look at Netflix, you look at Amazon, you look at that's where it's headed. And in order for these network, these these sports franchises.

And they want to be taken serious. Why do you think YouTube did what they did? They bought the NFL ticket. You have to have live events. And the one live event you must have is football, NFL football. Yeah. Why you think Netflix got in? You got to, bro. You got it.

That's just where it's headed. That's where it's headed that's where it's headed and the NBA that's why they were able to get that big contract the NFL that's why you're able to get these contracts you heard Roger Goodell say we going to 18 games within the next five years I guarantee you in the next five years they're gonna have another playoff right they're gonna have another playoff they're gonna be 18s you heard it, that's what the money is. They're playing big bucks.

They're playing big bucks. I think you two play 20 plus billion for the 10 year package. What a B. Amazon. Amazon got Thursday and they got to Friday and they got a Friday game. And you see. So that's what we had to tell. Sorry, Kevin, over Junior, who has the best duo in the NFL besides the Chiefs and the Ravens. What duo are you talking about?

Why are you talking about running back? Huh? It should have been a little bit more specific on duo. Come and jump back in there and let us know which one, what duo you talking about. Big I said, what's up uncle and uncle Joe, my name is Emmett. Which team won for agency by the Ravens getting King Henry or the Eagles getting Saquon

since both teams are playing good. That's a good one. Well, it seems to me that the Eagles have found a way to say, look, we're going to get make sure St. Quentin get his touches come hell or high water. I wish the Ravens adopt that policy with King Henry. Yeah. I think, you know, you know how we figure out who wins that, that all season who goes to further acquisition. Who goes to further share? I was just going to say that I wouldn't be surprised.

Saquon is definitely playing himself in for the offensive player of the year. Now you're going to have a lot to say about the MVP. He runs for 2100 yards, Ojo. He breaks that NFL record. Right. It going to have to be some uncomfortable conversations. Yeah, man.

For sure. for sure. For sure, absolutely. EagleFan78, who would you say is the most constant team that doesn't seem iffy week to week? Lions? Lions. Hey, they was kind of iffy two weeks ago when he threw five interceptions, but they still won.

That was iffy. But here's the thing though, Ocho, if you think about it, that's kind of iffy two weeks ago when he threw five interceptions, but they still want that was iffy. But, but here's the thing though, Ocho, if you think about it, that's really been the only time they lost the first game of the season and then they won 10 straight and then they would be one other game. I mean, you look at Kansas city coming down to the wire every week. We see the Ravens every week. So right now the most consistent team I would have to say would be the Lions and the Eagles. Right.

Sarah P said, how many Detroit, how many Detroit Lions will make all pro this season? Don't sleep on Jake Bates making it to go, go green. Oh, I think I have an offensive lineman. Golf St. Brown, Penne, Penne, so now I don't think golf will make it because no, no, because now if he was the MVP, because you got Lamar playing great, you got Josh Allen, you got Joe. I think Brian Branch is going to make it. I think Brian Branch is gonna make it. I think Brian Branch is definitely gonna be one of the safeties.

Hey boy, he the real deal, boy. I like, I like, I like BB. He nice. He real nice. Yeah. He was fan of his. Yeah. His play.

Theologians, Gil said, Gil and Montgomery are both top five NFL running backs. Henry, Saquon, yeah, you can put both of those guys up there. Mm hmm. Yeah, I won't fight you. For Katie, rule number one, never draft QBs from basketball schools except Drake may. Yeah. Tom and Ross, St. Brown, he could definitely be one. It's gonna be close. Because what you got?

You got you got Chase. You got Gita, Jenna, Jefferson, Amon Ra. I think you have I think you have at least two offensive linemen. Maybe a rag now or so. I think Brand Branch makes it. I definitely think Hutchinson was going to make it had he not got hurt. Right. I definitely think Hutchinson was gonna make it had he not got hurt. Right.

Brandon Martinez, how about them Cowboys? We're gonna whip the Bengals as well. Alright, alright. Simmer down, simmer down a little bit. Matter of fact, speaking of, speaking of, I'm gonna be at their game too. I'm gonna be at their game. When they play the Cowboys? Yeah, I'm going to Dallas. I'm going to Jerry's World. I want to see what Jerry's World is all about.

So I'm gonna lead the game probably in the third quarter and watch the fourth quarter at the Airbnb and then do Icaps. Don't let that debris fall on your head, Ocho. Huh? Don't let that debris fall on your head. You know the roof was falling, the cable didn't last me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know stuff falling apart over there. Dr. Frank L. Bellamy said, who do you think would be a better fitting coach for the Cowboys Bill Belichick and Deon Sanders and why? Oh, how about them Cowboys? Who you like Ocho?

Who you think the better fit would be? Where, where? In Dallas. And who are the two options? Coach Belichick and time. Neither one. Neither one. But one Belichick is not going to that circus

because then he's gonna look like a clown. That's not happening. And he needs to be able to have full control to be able to build a team. He needs to, he needs to, to build, obviously. Robert Kraft gave the keys to build Belichick. Jerry Jones is not relinquishing those keys or that power that he possesses. And then Deon will be one that will undermine Jerry. He will take all the attention away from Jerry. Yeah, he too big of a huge man. He definitely wouldn't want, you know, Dion there as well.

And I have a better understanding after talking to an individual, you know, this past weekend on the same thing you've been saying about Jerry wanting to be the center of attention and wanting to have the sole singular focus on just him, him wanting to get all the credit. So now that I know that and hearing it from a reputable source, you know, so I kind of understand now. So yeah, neither neither one of them, neither one of them are good options.

Chad, he mean reputable. Reputable. What I said, reputable? Yeah. Oh, my bad. Well, you know, that's a big word for me, man. I'm learning. Oh, what bad. You know, that's a big word for me, man. I'm learning. Oh, water back. What? Running back court, he meant running back quarterback.

That's what Kemper best duo. I think Lamar Henry. Yeah. Whoa. Well, yeah, you right. You right. You right. I was going to go hurts. I was going to go hurt. But you said besides Ravens and Chiefs, so it'll be the Eagles. It's easy. Yeah, the Eagles. Same corner and hurt. Super easy. Yeah. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liars Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at

various characters in American life. The referee, the coach, the expert. My next season is all about fans and what the rise of sports betting is doing to them, to the teams, and even to my family. I'm heading to Las Vegas and New Jersey and beyond to understand America's newest form of legalized gambling. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. James Lee said, James Winston interviews and motivational talks are hilarious. Would you say he is this generation's Ocho Cinco? Who's the funniest NFL player ever?

It's only one Ocho. You know a guy that talk it was funny, but talk all the effing time? Who? John Randall. Hey, John was funny, boy. Hey Randall. Hey, John, funny boy. Johnny. Hey, Johnny, Johnny was funny. He's funny. He got you got some. You got some funny clips.

And Johnny, man. Johnny came out with me. Johnny was all undrafted. He was with a D tackle, 230 pounds. You were good, man. Undecided, but he was good. But wait, I'm talking about cat quick. Cat quick. Nate Harper said, hey, and Ocho, Ashley,

and I finally got married this week in Vegas last Sunday. After 10 years together, do you have any advice for newlyweds? Love you guys, fly eagles fly. Nate, congratulations, bro, 10 years. Y'all best married. All you did was put it on paper. Y'all you together that long with somebody

and I'm sure you guys were living together. Y'all shared everything, car, house, note, all that, bro. Y'all been married. Y'all just put it on paper. That's all that is. Yes, sir. Y'all just made it, but you been married. Everybody saw y'all. If you didn't tell them you weren't married, they thought you were married.

So, man, man, man, Nate, look here. Congratulations. Whatever you did to make it to 10 years, continue that and add a little more to it. Damn. Do that Nate. Do that. That boy J84 say, Elky no joke, can you wish me and my wife, Crystal, happy birthday. Yeah we both got the same birthday. You playing that. I just hit 40 but I ain't gonna reveal her age. Okay. Much love both of you guys. the folks in the chat. Hey, Crystal, that boy. Happy birthday, man. Happy birthday, what? That's unbelievable.

Oh, I'm trying to think. Happy birthday. Have you ever met a woman that had the same birthday as yours? Me? Yeah. Nah, nah. And if I did, it would have to be a Capricorn, so I've never had anyone. No. I haven't been blessed with that.

Yeah. Uh, no. I'll tell you what's funny. What happened? Dealing with a woman that has the same name as you. The same name? You dated a woman named Shannon? I felt like I was talking to myself. I'm like, I'm like, whoa, whoa. I'm talking to myself.

Yes. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay, oh yeah, Shannon, like Shannon Daugherty. Okay, yeah, yeah, you right, okay. Oh yeah. I'm like, damn. Why y'all broke up? I'm thinking to myself, does it sound, why? I'm thinking about I'm thinking to myself.

Does it sound weird to her like it sounds weird to me? Yeah, probably. Probably. But I ain't gonna stop. You all see together. Huh? You all see together. Man, that was so long. Hold on. That was so long ago. You're talking about. Well, that was so long. Hold on. That was so long ago.

You're talking about. What are you talking about? Early 90s. God damn. Am I the only one? Am I the only one? Uh, that's. But it's got to be, I mean,

we all depend on your name. I mean, if you got to, if it's a Jordan, because Jordan is you know, it could be man or woman. Ashley, it could be man or woman. Well, Chad, they know is. Chad, the hell no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shannon, I mean, what's what's another? You know?

Yeah, I like. Yeah, just it just say it just is like, as a matter of fact like three shanons Then you're gonna date at three shannons Okay, you ain't gonna date nobody you want to be I should I should have been a Free I should have been a Catholic priest just not i'm just i'm just saying but if you had the opportunity to date three shannons I mean the chances of dating three shannons in your lifetime that had the exact same name as you I've never heard of nothing Like that. Yeah, I mean there I mean it's a it's a very common name for a woman

Yeah, but the date three of them. Okay, what you want me to do? I I'm just saying I'm my bad my bad, you know my bad player All the only all in, all in, hold on. Only two of them I got a chance to shake the sheets though. Oh, you shook, oh, oh, you shook the sheets? Yeah. What happened with the third one? You know, he win so you lose so, Mocho.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I heard that. I slow walk. You slow walk them? Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Ocho? You gotta give me context. You gotta get a chat context, because the chatting will understand what slow walk mean. You know, I was trying to be gentleman like, you know, take a eye. You know, I wasn't trying to jump straight into the, you know, try to jump straight in. You know, I'm trying to be a gentleman. And would you like to go, you know, back then, you know, jump straight into the, you know, try to jump straight in. You know, I'm trying to, you know, I'm trying to be a gentleman.

And would you like to go, you know, back then, you know, Applebee's or chili, something like, you know, Applebee's was the plate, you know, that two for 20. That thing here. Yeah, that's chicken tenders and the riblets. I don't know if the Applebee's still have the riblets or chicken tenditters. But that was the thing. And so, but you know, I'm trying to slow walk. Okay, let's go to the movies.

I ain't trying, you know, look, hey, I ain't doing the Gary Clayton. I ain't picking up 94 feet. You know what I'm saying? You know I ain't going corner to corner, 94 feet, putting the pressure on her. And you know, in the process, I slow walked the other dude came in and you know, he picked up 94 feet.

You're gone. Yeah. He took he took your little piece. Yeah. Damn. You let him get away but damn, huh? You got damn. Well, you gotta be better. You gotta be a little quicker than that boy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You should apply that person. You just told him. But you know, I'm not sure. See that. That ain't how I am. Io. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm I'm I'm I'm kind of I'm kind of toxic. You know, I'm I'm I'm I'm just I'm just gonna be honest. What you laughing at? You know, we we hit McDonald. We hit Golden Corral. And did you try to hit the sheets? Yeah,

right away. Oh, come on. Oh, yeah. I ain't I ain't got time. Look, man. I ain't I ain't never I ain't never been that kind of guy. No, no hell no. Yeah, I need to know. I need to know whether I'm wasting my time or not. I need to know what am I investing myself into. Oh, no. You got time to be playing with you.

What the fuck are you talking about? You do all that court and all that bullshit and then it's horrible and it's bad. Now I can't get my time, my money back? Oh, no. Yeah, you got a point there, Ocho, but I just on show, but I just mean, I ain't never been no, you know, no one, you know, meet somebody and we don't we go do we. Right. OK. Right. And then I'm in this. And if for me, I'm not judging. You hear me? I'm not judging.

So if you decide to do a grown folk, do I have no problem with that? And if you don't point like you should be, I mean, for me, you'll be back on my standing running time with somebody I just met is always five years. It's always five. It's always five years of battle. So anything after that five year period is a good thing. Okay. Yeah. I'm just yeah. All that court and wasting time and going on dates and holding hands and all, man, fuck all that, man that man I'm trying to act I'm trying to be like National Geographic I'm trying to see action. Yeah you on the serengeti you on the hunt. Uh Manuel Pedro say uncle noto keep up the great work hope to see y'all in New Orleans can you shout out my wife, Shantel?

We love listening to you. Manuel, Shantel, Shantel. Manuel wanna give you a shout out. Hope, hopefully we see you in New Orleans also. I'm sure we'll have a meet and greet. Man, that's amazing. Thank you guys for your support. We greatly appreciate that.

We love when couples watch the show together. It's not a prerequisite, but we love it. That you guys laugh and like, is that really true? Oh yeah, so forth and so on. So Shantel, thank you for allowing Manuel to watch the show. Thank you guys for sitting down and watching it together, being supporters of Nightcap from the beginning

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Barkley who ran himself right smack dab. He's up in the MVP discussion, 26 carries, 255, two touchdowns. The most rushed yards in Eagles franchise history is the ninth most rushing yards in NFL history. Saquon Barkley now is on pace for 2,151 yards. Let's hope he can keep it going. The Cowboys beat the commanders 34-26, snap a five game losing streak. Their defense came to play today, did a great job. CJ Stroud stepped out of the back of the end zone for safety as the Titans hold on to beat the Texans

in Houston 30-27. The Lions go on the road to Andy and defeat the Colts 24 to six. Whether with the customary points they'd normally get, but they found a way to win the ball game 24 to six and the duo, Sonics and Knuckles, Gibbs and Montgomery had three Russian touchdown became the first dual in NFL history with back to back double digit rush and touchdowns in a season. The Vikings beat the Bears in OT 30 to 27. The Bears have now lost five straight ballgames.

The Packers slapped down the 49ers 38 to 10. That's it, Ocho. Oh, the fans beat the Patriots 34 to 15. The Bucks beat the Giants 30 to seven. The Broncos win also 29 19. The Chiefs escaped Carolina 30 to 27. Who we got tomorrow? Who we got tomorrow? Ravens Chargers. That's going to be a good one, boy. Yep. So thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. I'm Unk.

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