Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Bucs win in OT, Aaron Rodgers is cooked, Sam Darnold dazzles

Episode Date: December 2, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers defeating Bryce Young and the Carolina Panthers 26-23 in overtime. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Aaron Rodgers and the New York Jets blowing a 14-point lead to Geno Smith and the Seattle Seahawks and the news that Rodgers is a long shot to return to the Jets for the 2025 season, Minnesota Vikings QB Sam Darnold playing himself into a hefty contract after a win over Kyler Murray and the Arizona Cardinals and much more!04:00 - Texans v Jags13:33 - Chargers v Falcons23:17 - Bucs v Panthers26:43 - Seahawks v Jets33:42 - Colts v Patriots36:00 - Vikings v Cardinals38:40 - Q and Ayyyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Linebacker Azir Alashir delivered a hard hit while Lawrence was sliding. Even after the hit, Evan Ingram ran into Alshior, shoved him while Lawrence remained on the ground. A scuffle between the Jags and the Texans players ensued while medical personnel attended the Lawrence. How, I'm just trying to figure out, how'd you get offsetting penalties off that? What do you think that was supposed to do, Ocho? Hey, can you do me a favor?

Yes. Can you do me a favor? Can you please explain to me what deepens the players are supposed to do? I know the quarterbacks have rules. I understand the quarterbacks have rules. The rules have changed. Now we've seen my homes and other quarterbacks, Josh Allen, take advantage of those rules and really not want to... On the sidelines. On the sidelines, Ocho. You say you like context. That was in the middle of the field. Okay, come on. That guy was going into a slide.

Right, right, right. You're right. So, Al, I don't want to butcher his last name. That's the Al's share. He has to know. You got to know. You got to know Trevor's going down. And if he is going down, don't dive at his head, just dive over him. Just dive over him. We played part water football. Remember we used to have the monkey rolls? Where the guy rolled and you rolled over and told him to go and throw the monkey roll? Remember we used to have the monkey rolls where the guy roll and you roll over the top of the monkey roll? You remember that? Damn I heard that in years. That's crazy. You gotta go over the top of it. But you, Ocho, even if you don't go over the top, you can't lead with this, Ocho. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You know what I call this?

I'm gonna be shocked if he doesn't get suspended. You know what I call this? The Rodney Harrison. Yeah. Anytime you leave with that forearm, just Rodney Harrison, Jr. say out, for some reason it resonates with me. When I see somebody do that, they the only two I ever seen make tackles with their forearm.

They leave with their forearm. That's that age, that's soup bone. They call it, back when I was growing up, we called it African soup bone. Right, right. I'm gonna put that soup bone on you. Oh, yeah. Okay, I'm gonna be surprised if they don't suspend it. Right, right.

I'm gonna be shocked. Or maybe a heavy fine. A suspension and a fine. Well, if you get suspended, cause they take your money, you don't get paid. Right. Damn, I mean, you gotta be a little bit more cautious man a little bit more aware a little more aware man That's unfortunate. There's there's no room for that

You know in the game and you know how much the NFL wants to protect the quarterbacks and have the go backs in every game Can you imagine if he'd have hit Mahomes? Oh my goodness. Or he'd have hit Josh Allen? Man, listen. Or he'd have hit Lamar? Or what? He might have got by two or three games.

He might be suspended for the rest of the year. Because the quarterback, oh, Joe, that's why they put all the rules in. Because the quarterback is a premium position. Right. That's why they protect the Brady Needs. They got the Brady rule, you can't hit the quarterback in the knees.

Or you can't drive, you know, put your weight, dump your weight onto the quarterback, Ocho. They won't, look, they say everybody else is important. We don't want you to think, okay, we lying. The quarterback is the most important. We not even trying to fool you. Right, right. To think that there's another player

that's comparable to him. Right. Because there's not. I'm going to be shocked. I ain't going to lie to you, Ocho. I'm going to be shocked if he doesn't get suspended because of their greed. And here's the thing, Ocho, remember intent. Intent only matters to our sure, because Trevor Lawrence is still unconscious on the field.

Yeah, yes, sir. So you can't use that as an offense. Man, that wasn't my intent. I was just trying to use, so what's his argument? I'm trying to make sure he was down. He's going into the slide. There is none. There is none.

Because you can see the intent and what you want to do. You can see it. You know, there's some players, there's some players that really don't play that, you know, defensively. Like they just, they head hunting no matter what. And that's, you got to be better, man. You got to be better as a D. Oh, but you know what, don't you? Oh, we got to get one of your players. Oh, if you dirty shot one of our players and put him out, we got to get one of yours. Yeah, but they will you dirty shot one of our plans and put him out, right? We got to get one of your yeah, but they don't think like that today

Oh, they don't think like that. They don't play like that because they understand their repercussions behind that like getting fine Getting in trouble. We go we go we go make we gonna make it look just like a play Mm-hmm. We'll make it look just like a play right? Hey Mike run at the call text Call it. Call it. Call it toss away. Mm-hmm. We couldn't ever oh, we gonna get something somebody gonna get we gonna cut somebody Until they come get them off the field, right? They're not gonna let you take no cheap shot. We deem it cheap damn what you meant to do We deem it as cheap and we gonna get you back. So you got the pace. Yeah One of those players that was on the field gotta pay the price.

Right. So we getting somebody. I hope Trev is okay though. He's okay as any point came out. I do too. Oh, remember he had just got back. Yeah, from injury, yeah. He was dealing with an injury.

Mm-hmm. Damn. Damn, man. Man, that was, you get, and then they call off setting pillion because Aaron Ingram shoved it. Aaron Ingram should have put his helmet right in his back. Yeah, I mean, he's supposed to do that. He's supposed to. Oh yeah.

A 15-yard pillion, because we gon', whatever, you get kicked out, we gon' raise money and you gon' pay it back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So whatever, you ain't gon' have to pay for it, because we gon' raise the money and we gon' pay it back. So you ain't gonna have to pay for it because we're gonna raise the money and we're gonna pay it. So whatever they take out of your check, we'll give it back to you.

Oh, now you're not fit to do. Oh, oh no. Man, I wish somebody, let somebody have done that to John. What? Listen, back to me. I guarantee you about four, no, I bet you by four or five I'm gonna have ACL surgery in the next two weeks. Yeah, listen, y'all back then, man,

y'all like the 90s NBA. What you talking about? Y'all from the Royal Rumble, y'all from the fight, drop kicking people. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Y'all ain't played back then. No, hell nah. Not the quarterback. First of all, you couldn't do anything to no star player.

But if you hurt that quarterback, because we know, what a chance we gonna do anything without that star. And that's a star. That's a superstar. Man, we look at her. Okay. I ain't gonna say the B word, but it was only. Yeah.

Oh yeah. Dead or alive. No, you're not fit to do that now quarterback. Oh no. That was the best thing to happen and they changed the rules that, they let, see they let stuff slide now. Oh, he didn't meant to do it.

Yeah, but I think he did. Well, I ain't gonna meant to do now. Oh, he didn't meant to do it. Yeah, but I think he did Well, I ain't gonna mean to do what I do. I didn't mean to do it Same thing same energy. Mm-hmm. Yes You got to I mean I but I don't know Oh Joe I get it like guys you see a lot of times guys pretend like They're about to go out of bounds and then like they do the little hands They take off running again. Yeah This man in the middle of field the man sliding. Yeah, and you lead like this here I can see if you like because we've seen guys go go over the top of them

But you'll leave with your what you're going down Yes Nah, bro, come on bro,. You gotta be smarter than that. You gotta, look, I understand it's a physical game and look, you know, we competing, but at the end of the day, I want everybody to make it home safe. I'm not gonna try to do anything

to try to put you in harm's way because I don't want you to do anything to put me in harm's way. I know you got family, you got family to feed, mom, dad, grandma, wife, fiance, kids. And I don't wanna do anything that's gonna take you out the field that could potentially take a roof or food

from somebody that you love. Yeah, man, yeah. But all I ask is that you would steal me the same courtesy. And Rodney, man, me and Rodney Hanson was in the same division for a number of years. He'd dive me up and say, hey. You play with Rod, crazy ass? When it was in the 80s. He was with the Chargers.

Yes. Oh, my goodness. Yes. I say, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey Hey, now you know I'm coming. Yeah. Yeah, me too. Are you coming? You definitely coming. Me too. So just know, I'm trying to peel your cap too. Let's not, hey, we gonna damp each other up. We gonna work out in the off season. But just know, I'm trying to split your dome too now. Yeah. Hey, ain't nobody gonna, everybody,

I ain't gonna be the only one with a mohawk. Cause I'm coming, we coming, okay, just so we know, and we cool. He ain't never, he ain't never chief shot me, I ain't never chief shot him. Now did he put somebody on lock down, off his lap, on their ass? Oh, absolutely.

Absolutely. Absolutely. But you knew what you was gonna get with him. He gonna play snap the whistle, and he gonna hit you as hard as he possibly can. Yeah. You have to return that type of fire to him. Mm-hmm. Because if you don't, you're in for a long game.

A long game, boy. Ocho, the Chargers defeated the Falcons 17-13. The Falcons needed more from Kirk Cousin, Fifth Cousin today, and he has not thrown a touchdown pass in three games. In the same time frame, he's thrown six interceptions. He threw four today. Atlanta has been outscored 75-36 and three consecutive losses. Yeah.

There are now six and six overall. Cousins is playing poorly and it's hard to ignore the fact that the number eight pick in the draft is sitting on the bench. Yeah. Is it time for us to see another Michael, not Vic, Penick Jr. as a starting quarterback for the Falcons? It could be.

It could be that time. It just, it depends on the coaches. Do they want to make that change right now? Because once you make the change and you go from Cousins to Penick Jr., that means it's set, it's solidified. The Penick Jr. regime starts for the Atlanta Falcons at that point on, and I'm assuming Kirk Cousins to Penning Jr. That means it's set, it's solidified. The Penning Jr. regime starts for the Atlanta Falcons at that point on, and I'm assuming Kirk Cousins

will no longer be there the following year. Most of the time you would want your quarterback, you would want your rookie quarterback during the times where quarterbacks sit and sit and learn behind a veteran. You want them to have a full season. You want them to have a full season no matter what. Now if there's any, there's no chances of you making the playoffs, then I would

say, go ahead and make the switch. Let Penning Jr. get an early start. Getting some, getting some of those reps and getting acclimated to the speed of the game, getting comfortable with the receivers or whatnot, I would say all, all for it. But if there is any chance that you might think you might have a shot, I say you still stick with your veteran quarterback.

I say you still stick with your veteran quarterback who has a better feel for the offense, even though he's playing bad and he's on a three game skid, I say you just do. The goddamn Falcons, they started off beautiful. They started the season off great. They did, they did. I don't know what happened.

I saw so much promise in them. And listen, I was one of the few that stood up for the Falcons offense and saying that Drake London, and Kyle Pitts, and B'Jonn Robinson would have a season they'd never had before because I understood what Kirk Cousins brought to the helm as far as being a quarterback and what he does in the regular season.

But these last three games have been abysmal. Why? He's turning the ball over too much, Ocho. He's turning the ball over. Hell, he had three of them today. Four. Okay, I only saw three. Now you just made it that much more worse. He had three, he had four. One was a pick six. I saw the pick six. And he had two fumbles but the offensive lineman recovered those. Okay, okay. So he could have easily had six turnovers. They could have easily won it.

He threw that interception, he threw it in the end zone, till this, I still don't know. And I'm like, why would you throw the ball like that in the middle of the field in that congested of an area? Hold on, hold on. I still haven't figured it out. I got another one. Why you on the left hash trying to throw anything

to the outside, what are you doing? And then you leave it all the way inside and you wonder why it's getting picked. If you gonna, listen, let me say before you go. If you gonna make that throw from the left hash all the way to the right, you can't pat the ball, you can't have no motherfucking hits, and as soon as you hit that third step,

the ball gotta be gone. The ball gotta be gone. What are we doing? You pat the ball and then throw like... Kirk Cousins, on his absolute best day, Doesn't have that kind of arm. Never had the arm to do that. Thank you.

Ain't but a handful of quarterbacks can make that throw. A Josh Allen or Mahone boy. Somebody like that. Yeah. I don't know if Aaron can make it right now. Yeah. Because like you say, it's got to be, it's got to be, it's got to be three and no hit. That ball got to be coming. Well, first of all, he kind of semi-rolled. So now it's basically five. And that ball's got to come out. No. You'd be foolish to even try it. Mm-hmm.

And like you said, I don't think you do it because there's still a chance you can win that division and make it to the playoffs. Right. Right. That's why I said that. You got to be cautious. You got to be careful.

Do you wanna put that kind of pressure on your rookie quarterback who hasn't been in as much? You just hope that Kirk Cousins can do some of the things he needs to do as far as protecting the ball, that's number one. Protect the ball and give us the chance. Protect the ball and give us the chance because we won't be able to overcome that

even though they do have a very decent defense with goddamn AJ Terrell and what's, damn. From- Justin Simmons, Bates. Yeah, Justin Simmons and Jesse Bates, they have a good defense, so they gonna need Kirk Cousins to play some good football if they gonna have a chance to get up out of there

and have a shot at the playoffs. But I mean, the thing is, Ocho, is that when you look at it, before we go, what was the temperature in Cincinnati today? It was only 30, it wasn't bad. If it was 30, it felt like 20. But you remember Joe said he was wondering how he was gonna feel in cold weather, that wrist. He said he really haven't had to throw in cold weather.

You think his wrist is bothering him? No, I don't think so. I don't think so because you always see him flexing it just to keep it loose though. You always see the break up, the break up some of that, what do you call it? The break up. Scar tissue.

Yeah, the scar tissue, but I don't think it's bothering him. I think, look, for me, Ocho, and this is a decision that Raheem and the staff and the higher ups are gonna make. Right. As long as I got a chance, because they're right there with Tampa. Yeah, yeah.

Spicks and Sinks, and they beat Tampa already. Ready, yes sir. So with that being said, I'm not so sure I make the move right now, but if somehow, and I think they're only gonna get one, I think that's, look, you got Detroit's 11 and one. Minnesota's 10 and two. Right.

Green Bay is what, nine and three? I believe so. So there are three, there's your division. That's gonna be, you're gonna get three out of that division. With that being said, you only have one wild card spot available because you got your four division winners. AFC South, excuse me, NFC South, NFC North,

NFC West, and the NFC, so you got, who that? Yeah, so they tied. Right now they tied for the division lead with the Bucks, little chokes. Yeah. And they got the hand to hand, because remember we talked about it,

they already beat them. Beat them, Yeah. So you gotta have three teams two wild cards are coming out of the north. So now does the other wild card does it come out of the NFC west Arizona Seattle Rams 49ers? 49ers. Dang. Does it come, does, I mean, maybe nine and seven, nine and seven might get you a wild card, Ocho. It might, excuse me, nine and eight. I keep thinking 16 games, my bad, I'm sorry.

Nine and eight, 17 games. Nine and eight might get you a wild card, Ocho. Yeah, it will. Tell them it might win you the division. Yeah. Nine and eight could easily win the division in the NFC South and the NFC West. Yeah.

It won't get you shit in the AFC though. Nah, nah, nah, nah, hell nah. Cause you already got Kansas City, what's Kansas City? 10 and one, 11 and one. 11 and one. Kansas City what, 10 and one? 11 and one. 11 and one.

Yeah, they lost the buck though. You got the Steelers? The Steelers are already? They lost two. Yeah, they lost the buck though. You got the Steelers? The Steelers are already? Lost two. Three, they lost three. They nine and three, I think. Okay. So it's, yeah, I'm not making that move just yet,

old Joe, I'm not. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker. I'm not. and what the rise of sports betting is doing to them, to the teams, and even to my family. I'm heading to Las Vegas and New Jersey and beyond to understand America's newest form of legalized gambling. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. The Bucks defeat the Panthers 26-23 in overtime. That was a good game.

Panthers constantly fumble, set up the Bucks win. Adam Thielen, TD, was ruled not a TD. That was a touchdown. One of the refs, that was. That was a touchdown. I don't know what the refs were looking at. I don't know who, I don't know who, who paid the bookie or what not. That was a touchdown. Hilla, goddamn Panthers, hey Bryce Young, I don't know if paid the bookie or whatnot. That was a touchdown. Hell, the goddamn Panthers, hey, Bryce Young.

I don't know if you're gonna see this boy. Boy, boy, shit, you looking boy? He look good. Man, shit. That's why they took him number one overall. Hey. Get a man a little protection. Hey.

Let some guys make some plays for him. Leg it, feeling, but y'all boys looking tough. I don't know if we have any Carolina Panthers fans in the goddamn chat, but y'all boys looking tough. I don't know if we have any Carolina Panthers fans in the goddamn chat, but what I'm seeing and been seeing so far, even with a loss is promise. I see promise. Y'all men and boys look good.

Bryce Young looks good. Chubbard, am I saying it right? I don't want to butcher the next name. Chubbard, Chubbard, Chubbard. Yeah, Chubbard. Boy, shit, y'all boys finna be to butcher. Chuba Hubbard. Chuba. Chuba. Yeah, Chuba Hubbard. Boy, shit. Y'all boys finna be here, boy. Y'all gonna be here, boy. Keep pounding, bitch. Keep pounding. I'm telling you.

Bryce Young over his last four games has 858 passing yards. He has five touchdowns, one interception, and he's led his team to a game-tying or game-winning drive in all four. So he's made of the right stuff. Just give him, hey, get him another offensive lineman. Get him some, hey, get him another weapon. And let's see what he can do. Hey, they bring him a goddamn stud in there.

Like, you know, ain't nothing wrong with the receivers. Cause the ones he got right now, but them boy making some plays and he putting the ball with the ball. Theda's a little older, Ocho. Let's go, we need some fresh blood. We need some... You want some young legs in there, Ocho?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We need some young legs. I'm not saying... But I'm saying, maybe we use Thielin as a third down guy. Right, right, right. But I gotta get some fresh legs. I need somebody to get down the field in a hurry. Listen, we need a veteran presence now. We got a bunch of young boys.

Yeah, yeah. We don't get rid of Thielin. We got a place for it. Okay, okay, okay. I'm just making sure. Yeah, we got a place for it. You gotta have that better presence in there to keep the team together. Yeah, yeah. All right. But I love, look, it didn't go their way. They were playing really well.

Hubbard, I think Hubbard, wasn't it Hubbard that fumbled that ball? I think it was Hubbard because he was the one, he was sitting on the bench. Everybody had done gone, and the stadium seemed like it was empty and he was sitting on the bitch with himself alone in his thoughts Um, I can just imagine what was going through his mind and how he was feeling Oh Joe to see how's defeated the jet 2621 this is the first time Aaron Rodgers has lost Lost a true home game with a 14-point lead in his career it was 75 and 0 at Lambeau and met life with a 14 point lead entering today, including playoffs.

The Gets were up 21-7 with Garrett Wilson wide open in the end zone. He missed him. And then the next play, he had an opportunity, hey, Ochoa, they're about to put the game away. And the next play, Big Leonard Williams, who said he was disappointed that he didn't win Defensive Player of the Year,

I mean, Defensive Player of the Week last week. Well, you got to week this week, big fella. Two sacks, a pick six, a tackle for a loss, a block TAT. You will definitely win NFC Defensive Player of the Week. If you don't win, I need a recount. Hey recount hey, but young boy he was moving boy. Hey, he was running Rogers a long shot they're talking about potentially uh, uh, I said so what what is what is that article? I should but there's potentially like they don't know if he's gonna start moving forward, moving forward. Who?

Who they gonna bench who? Aaron Rodgers. In favor of who? It don't matter, because I'm getting the same results. Listen, you think about benching Aaron Rodgers over there in New York right now, he will flip every table, he gonna take a bite. That's okay, he gonna be gone next year,

we'll straighten it back up, he gonna take a bite. That's okay, he gonna be gone next year, we'll straighten it back up. He gonna be gone anyway. Hey listen, they wouldn't do that. And he not gonna go out quietly. I don't see Aaron Rodgers as the type of quarterback that gonna take benching him well. I don't see him taking it well. What he gonna do? Go on P. Mac Show and have us

express some conspiracy theories? Talk about that's liberals? Act a fool. Act a fool and make a hell while he's there. Act a fool and make a hell while he's there. He just seemed like the type that would do that. That's okay. Shoot, I don't.

He didn't play well. Yeah. But I'm sure, you know, I'm sure they'll say he played well. He was 21 of 39, 185, two touchdowns, one of the receptions. Ocho, and Seattle tried to get a game away in the first quarter. They did, they did, they did.

I've never seen return, from return a fumble that many times. And I've never seen anything like that, Ocho. So the very next play began 19th. So, from that point on, Seattle outscored them, 19 to nothing. Rogers had the long shot of return. They asked Ubrick after the game about was he contemplating a quarterback change.

Instead of shutting down speculation with a direct no, he replied, not as of today. You know what that means? I don't like answers like that. I don't like what Harbour said when they talked about it and asked him if Justin Tucker returning. Right. I won't address that right now. What the fuck you mean right now? We talk about the greatest kicker of all time. But anyway, now back to the topic at hand. and Rogers I mean man shit man I mean is he look bad Ocho the man about to be 41 he's coming he's he's coming off an Achilles injury right which is one of the toughest injuries for an athlete to overcome yeah a young athlete imagine one that's 40 one yeah what did you expect him to look like?

I mean, hey listen. But see, if you're honest, Ocho, anybody that's honest about Aaron Rodgers, you labeled a hater. And they try to make it about all the other things. Go back and, I don't want you to do me a favor. Go back and check my track record about Aaron, about when I was on CBS. I've never denied his ability to throw the football.

I always catched question. I saw some character issues that concerned me. And I'm believing at that. Now, with that being said, he didn't play well. Aaron Rodgers has not played well this year. And it's okay to say that. Ocho, he's still a four time league MVP. He's still a four time first team All-Pro.

He's still a Super Bowl MVP. He's still a transcendent, historically great quarterback, one of the greatest quarter. But this year, he hasn't played well. And all of those accolades that's been bestowed between him, and rightfully so, ain't got nothing to do it right now. Yeah, you right.

You right by that. You know, it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate. I'm not sure. I'm sure we've seen quarterback decline. I don't think we've seen quarterback decline in such a manner at, you know, this fast. I think maybe because of the injury, due to the injury,

I think it kind of sped up and expedited the process. I was hoping things would work out. I was hoping things would work out because I was one of the few that said, oh shoot, Devontae Adams is coming to the Jets. Oh, they finna be, they finna be hell now. You know, Alan Lazard and him having the pieces and having Breece Hall.

I thought they were gonna be all world. And having the defense that they did have, ah, things aren't the same. Shit, hell, and Rodgers playing bad, the goddamn defense ain't too much to talk about either. But they were hoping that Aaron Rodgers could elevate this offense. Like Josh Allen is doing the bills?

Yes, what Peyton, you remember, now hold on, people remember that before Peyton, you remember, now hold on. People remember that before Peyton, the year before Tom Brady got to the Bucks, James threw for 5,200 yards, 5,100 yards. Yeah. And 30 touchdowns. Mm-hmm. Bruce Allen just felt that if we minimize the turnovers,

we could be a playoff team. Yeah, get you over the hump. The year that Peyton got to the turnovers, we could be a playoff team. Yeah, get you over the hump. The year that Peyton got to the Broncos, they won the division, but they were 8-8. Peyton comes in, they go 13-3. They get the number one seed. Now they get knocked out in the divisional round, but you see the improvement.

The next year, Peyton wins MVP, he breaks all the records, they go to the Subo. They get demolished, but they did go. You see Tampa, every year Brady was there, they make the playoffs. So they were expecting, they say, look, that guy coming in, he should be able to elevate our offense. We got Garrett Wilson, we got some players,

we got nice running back with Allen and Breeze Hall. We got solid tight ends, not great, but they're good. They're adequate and a defense. But I said one thing and I kept reiterating. I say you're under the notion that the defense stays exactly the same and there's no slippage. Because if there's slippage, then what? Yeah. Oh, man, slippage, then what? Yeah.

Oh, then you hate, you just say, it's okay, I can't even. Yeah, well, listen, there's been slippage and there's no flexol. There's no flexol to stop the leak. Ain't no, hold on, you mean to tell me they ain't got no remedies? I mean, you taking cayenne pepper and drinking water. You mean to tell me they ain't got no remedies? I mean, you taking cayenne pepper and drinking water. You mean to tell me they ain't got no remedies?

All these remedies that you know, Ivermectin and all these, they ain't got no remedies? Nah, ain't none. Nothing? Ain't none. None that's gonna help you. Maybe you know what? Maybe it's a conspiracy theory.

Maybe the NFL is plotting against it. You think so, Ocho? Nah, I ain't nobody plotting. Just things aren't going right. Things aren't going right, and there's really nothing you can do. Interesting. I know, maybe if you miss, maybe if he was,

man, I shoot, maybe you miss. Man don't talk about, man that man going, he going P-Mac show, and mobile to him. P-Mac, hey, doing a great job. Love what P-Mac doing. That man ain't talking about no football. Nah. He talking about the damn football.

Oh, whoo! What happened? Coates defeat the Patriots 25-24. Anthony Richardson leaves a game winning drive. Shane Steichen, we going for the win. Going for two. Richardson calls his own number, powers his way into the end zone.

The Pats miss a 68 yard field goal. Maybe if it's 67 yards, it might hit the crossbar and goes over. Right. Should the Pats have thrown to hell Mary or attempted the field goal? I think, you know, they have a kicker. They have a kicker with a very, very strong leg,

one who's accurate and he can hit it from that point. I think you'd have a better chance kicking a field goal with a kicker that has the strength to reach goal as opposed to catching the Hail Mary. I think the percentage would be much lower as far as the Hail Mary is concerned. And listen, they did what they could. Drake May had a good game, though.

That goddamn Drake May making some plays. I don't, listen, I think the goddamn New England Patriots have found their quarterback of the future. Drake May is looking phenomenal, he's getting better. I know they did lose the game, but he's getting better week in and week out. He's getting better, I know they did lose the game, but he's getting better week in and week out. He's getting better. Very, very good.

He's showing great promise, you know, going forward. And he's improving week to week. I think they're going to be finding that area as far as quarterbacking is concerned. And ever since his benching, ever since his benching and not allowing it to affect him mentally, young boy was playing some good football with that horseshoe.

He is. He is. He playing some good football with that horseshoe on his helmet. Matter of fact, his quarter, his coach, Brother Shane Stike, and trusting in him in that scenario at that time to go for two. Yeah. You know what? Fuck it.

I'm throwing all the cards on the table. I'm throwing all the cars on the table. I'm throwing all the cars on the table and I'm putting my trust in my offense and in my quarterback. We going for it. Well, you know what that does for a team? I love it. Huh? That was very, that was very Dan Campbellish. Yes. I'm going to live with the consequences if we don't make it. I'm gonna live with the consequences.

You gamble. Ocho the Minnesota Vikings came from behind and defeated the Arizona Cardinals 23-22. The Vikings crawled back into the game after being down 19 to six. What'd you call him, hey? Sam Donald made plays when he had to, won't you? When it mattered most.

Looking like God damn Patrick Mahomes. Looking like God damn Patrick Mahomes. Listen, Sam Donald's playing his way into a very hefty contract. I'm not sure where it's gonna be at, but based on his resume and what he's just played this season, man, he's going somewhere to be a starter again. The only problem is he won't have a Jordan Addison

or a goddamn Justin Jefferson at the helm, so things might get a little difficult. Or a T.J. Hockeson and an Aaron Jones. Oh, man, listen. JJ McCarthy gonna have his hands full, like a kid at Christmas when he comes back next year. Sam Darno was 21 of 31, 235, two touchdowns, no picks. He was sacked five times, but he did a great job

of holding on to the football. Justin Jefferson was seven of 97, catches 99 yards. Jordan Addison was four for 54, TJ Hoggison three or 33 for 28. Aaron Jones fumbled once, he fumbled twice, but he lost one. Officer Lambert recovered one, and obviously the opposing team recovered one. But give them credit.

They found a way to keep fighting, keep clawing and scratching, and they hung around the defense, did a great job of keeping them in the ballgame Right making them settle for field goals and not giving them touchdown I can still see you tear like tail lights, Ocho So therefore you couldn't run out and I couldn't see you anymore I put so many points on the board is too far

But give that defense credit for bending not breaking Forcing them to make field goals, take field goals. And then when the offense got rolling, they got cranking, they were able to get back in this game where the game went in touchdown drive by Sam Donnell. Um, and, uh, Aaron Jones capped it off, but it was, uh, it was, it was a great win for the Vikings and they still, Hey, say, look here, uh, I think they got Detroit coming up soon, don't they? Minnesota. Yeah. I think they got Detroit coming up soon. At least the next two weeks, I think they got Detroit coming up soon, don't they? Minnesota? Yeah, I think they got Detroit coming up soon.

At least the next two weeks, I think. All right, I don't have a schedule in front of me. Is it their last game of the season? So Green Bay got Minnesota, huh? Or Green Bay got the Packers. I mean, Green Bay got Detroit. Green Bay got Detroit, okay, I knew Thursday Green Bay got Detroit. Green Bay got Detroit, okay. I knew Thursday.

That's Thursday night, Ocho. Yeah, okay, okay. Oh, that's a good one. That's gonna be a good one. Gonna be a great one. Now it's time for the last segment of the evening, Ocho. It's time for Q and A. Yeah.

I'm glad we got the Q and A, because I've been fighting back tears. Tears the whole show. Damn. That hurt. J-Dub Akron. Oh, Cho. You can't say foot or ball. You owe me a signed jersey. You owe Unk three bands.

Let's go. Don't back out now. Hashtag Steelers. Listen, as a Steelers fan, as a Steelers fan, I respect you. I love you. I sent out a tweet, you know, showing my love and my graciousness for all of you. I've always been respectful of Steelers Nation. And y'all about to be a part of the Steelers Nation.

And I'm so grateful for all of you. I'm so grateful for all of you. I'm so grateful for all of you. I'm so grateful for all of you. I'm so grateful for all of you. I'm so grateful for all of you. I'm so grateful for all of you. I'm so grateful for all of you. I'm so grateful for all of you. I'm so grateful for all of you. I'm so grateful, I respect you. I love you. I sent out a tweet, you know, showing my love and my graciousness for all of you. I've always been respectful of Steeler Nation

and y'all have always shown me grace at all times, even when I was playing. After me shedding tears about my bangles losing, I would hope you would be a little bit more lenient in seeing how emotional and hurt I am. Man, get that man his jersey, Ocho. Get that man his jersey. I ain't got no jerseys.

You said you did. You bet that man. That man said, hey, he want the jersey. Yes, that's the one you betted. Oh, I did? Okay, tell him I'll tell him bet. Tell him to send me a DM on Instagram. Send me a DM on Instagram.

J-Dub, you heard it. Tell Ash to get his information for me or something. You know, I don't know how to do the YouTube stuff. Yeah, you can DM Ash. Ash should get your information. J-Dub. Matter of fact, I got some jerseys at the house, too. I'm mailing one.

I get one off to him. Damn, I ain't no. DarkBarn said, uh, y'all, what's y'all opinion on how Bryce Young seems to turn the year around even though the Carolina still losing? Do you think he's earned another year as a starter? Which would you allow the team to use draft picks on getting more weapons? Yes, he shows that he can play. They're doing a better job of protecting him And maybe he needed to sit a couple of games to see and let the game slow down for it Yeah

To let him so now he get an opportunity to see, man, I wouldn't go in there and you see, man, I would have dared that. Man, that's what I should have done. Okay. So he gets an opportunity to see he absolutely has earned another year. Yes. Yes. Get him some weapons. I love the way they're playing because there ain't no more blowouts, Ocho. These games, look, they're competing. They're competing. Every game. We talk chemistry, they're all they can have. They're competing. They're competing. Every game. We talk about down to the wire. Every game.

We score on 21, 28, 30-some points. Every game you're competing. That's all you can ask for, Ocho. He's getting better. Oh, yeah. He's absolutely getting better at playing the position. Yeah. And so, interesting to see how he finishes out the season.

But he's played extremely well. Obviously he's deserved. We're gonna see how this season finishes up. But I'm anxious. I'm not worried about next year. I'm anxious to see how he finishes up this season. Right. T.S. Carl Washington details there.

Ocho, who is the best in the NFL as of today? The best team as a whole? Yeah. Yeah Oh shoot. I mean what but the Lions probably what they plan the light the last day the line Yeah, it's hard for me cuz right now I'll probably say Who is it the Lions? I think it's not for me. It's out of three teams. I say the Lions I Say Eagles and I say the bill. Yeah say Eagles, and I say the Beals. Yeah, I forgot to put Eagles in there too. That would be for me.

The teams that I think are playing the absolute best right now, the Eagles D-Lion, we know what they are offensive, Saquon is playing out of his mind, but their defense, that Eagles defense. Playing crazy. It's amazing how much, what one year, a one year difference does, huh? You add a few, you add a few, a few new pieces, a few new wrinkles,

and the whole defense look fucking completely different. Yeah. But that D line is getting after folks. Um, Sweatt, um, and Jalen Carter, and I think Williams, I think those guys, they're getting after people. They're doing a great job. Zach Braun is playing downhill, and Nekobe Dean has found his footing. He's been sensational. That backhand is getting better and better.

Blankenship, De'John. Mitchell. Keon Mitchell, yeah. Yeah, man. He's good, they're good. I like what I'm seeing. Hey there, he's, he's, uh, he's good. They're good. I like what I'm seeing. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis,

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of legalized gambling. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Killer K and TNC said, start my own business about six months ago while working a full-time job. Now I'm in a position to leave my job. Any advice y'all can provide for your boy, and Ocho love y'all show.

Congratulations. Yeah, congrats, congrats. If you're leaving your job. That's what you do. Yeah, if you're leaving your job, I hope it's something you're passionate about. I hope it is something that you love, because you never want to leave one thing

for something else that you really don't want to do. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're leaving your job right now for something that you want to do, then you won't even need no information for us to take anything. Cause you already know what to do. Cause you already, you already passionate about it. For you to start a business, you got to be passionate about it.

Because nobody's starting anything that you're not passionate about. But I, do you know what I love most about what you did? Cause I know a guy that kind of did the same thing. You build a business while you was on somebody else's time. Come on now. I know a guy that kind of did the same thing. You build a business while you're on somebody else's time. Mm. Come on, man. That what you do, Kev. Hey, you played it the right way, bro.

Hold on. Build your business on somebody else's dime. And then when you ready to do your thing, make a clean break. But congratulations, man. I'm happy for you. Much success. Just continue to work hard.

Now, you do understand you don't have that job to fall back on. So you have to devote all your time, all your energy. Don't you let people tell you, man, you work too hard, or you working on Saturdays, or you working on Sunday. You do what is required for you to maximize this opportunity for your business. Yes, we work holidays, we work hard,

but we understand that we're our standalone right now. We don't have the luxury of depending on somebody else. And I like it like that, I like it. It's real, I wanna give a birthday shout out to my wife for three years, Essence Brandy Bolton, December 1st, Sagittarius. P.S., Ochoa, I'm also number 85 on Forklift, Kola, South Carolina. Essence, happy birthday.

Essence Brandy Bolton. Happy birthday. Hubby wanted to let you know that he's so proud of you. He's happy. You are the joy and the love of his life. Three years since flown by, and it's all because of you. So Essence Brandy Bolton, happy birthday. Sagittarius season it is.

Happy birthday. Jason Quinones, who will win tomorrow? Cleveland or Denver? Country. The Brown. Bronco country. Brown. Bronco country.

You won't bet nothing. You won't bet nothing. James Winston, the greatest philosopher that's ever played the game before, James Winston, he's basically Muhammad Ali of all time. When it come to the speeches. Watch me sack him about seven times. You won't bet none. When it comes to the speeches, hey. Watch me sack him by seven times. You won't bet none.

I bet you don't get more than three sacks. We don't get, no, no, no, no, no. Listen, first of all, what am I even talking to you? If your team has not won more than five games, if your team has lost four or five, if your team has lost three in a row, if your team has given up 33 or more points and still lost, we're scoring 33 or five, if your team has lost three in a row, if your team has given up 33 or more points and still out with scoring 33 or more,

I don't wanna hear you say foot or ball. I don't want you talking about nobody else team. Don't do that. That's so unbecoming. So, did you have your team won more than five games? Hey, hey, hey, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill. Cause I'm already, I'm listening. I'm already, oh man, I'm about to cry again.

Damn. So, Bronco country with it tomorrow. Casey Tanisett, Mahomes fan here. The way Burl looks for Chase and now Hertz look for AJ, could y'all give your expertise on why Mahomes doesn't look for D-Hop after the snap first read? Does the West Coast playbook play a part? Look, you gotta understand, D-Hop is getting a little, oh, he can, D-Hop was never a speedster. He has tremendous hands. I understand that third down catch notwithstanding.

But D-Hop is normally reliable. He doesn't have the speed to get down the field with the consistency that say Chase or AJ. And so, you know, a lot of times they'll probably look the first reader to take the top off, you're looking at Worthy and you look at Kelsey. But you notice when it gets third, fourth quarter, he starts to look for it.

Now, if this was D Hop three, four years ago, absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely, he would be looking for it. But D-Hop can still make plays. You can win with a D-Hop. He's gonna be reliable. He don't run as well as he used to. It's a little harder for him to get open,

but he can make those tough, contested catches in a crowd, in traffic. He has great hands. So, D-Hop's gonna be just fine. Anthony May said, oh, quit bull-jiving and pull Coach Prime and come to OC because Todd ain't listening. And bring Ray to DC and say a prayer for Tucker

cause he lost. No. Who is he talking about Coach Prime bring out OC cause Todd ain't listening and bring Ray to be the DC. I guess he talking about the Ravens, huh? Man, look, they're gonna be all right. They just gotta get some consistency. Once they get that, they'll be fine.

What are they, eight and five now? They got the Browns again, they got the Steelers again. Yeah. Who else they got? Nights like this, I wish that raindrops would fall. Oh, they got the Giants. OK, Giants, Steelers, Texans, Browns. That's the remaining schedule for the Ravens. We gonna win out.

Who? The Bengals. I thought you said we gonna lead that long. I was, I'm just saying, we gonna finish the season on the right foot, leading in that momentum on carrots in the next season. Y'all ain't got no feet. Y'all don't need no shoes.

Yeah. You don't need to finish on the right. That everybody's chopped off feet off. Y'all ain't got no shoes, man. Don't even worry about it. Steven Garcia said question for you guys. How would the Cowboys look? We coach Dan Campbell, great leader, strong culture, keeps them.

You can't have that what's in Detroit, in Dallas. Jerry's not gonna allow it. Yeah. You, don't look at, don't look at anybody else's situation. Don't look at Coach Tomlin, don't look at Andy Reid, don't look at John Harbaugh. Don't look at Dan Campbell. Because nobody else is having tours during the course of the week. Nobody else has their owner.

What other owner is going on a radio show, has a radio show? What other owner is talking about the team after the team plays before the coach. So you have to disregard everything you see about strong culture somewhere else. Trying to implement that in Dallas because Jerry Jones won't allow it. That's unfortunate. That's unfortunate for Cowboys fans. It's unfortunate for Cowboys players, it's unfortunate for Cowboys players.

Everybody deserves so much better. Nate Harper said, Uncle Ocho, if you could come back and play in your prime and play for any current team, which would you play for? Love putting you both on the Eagles NFL 2K5. If I could play for- Who you coming back to play for, Ocho?

I'm coming back to play for Miami, boy. I just, I always, I just, I wanna notice, like, to play in front of all my homeboys out the city, man, and just have a good time. And yeah, I put myself, hypothetically speaking, put myself in my prime, too. You know, put me in my prime, man. I'm gonna have some fun and play in front of all my homeboys

that never had the opportunity to leave the state of Florida, man, so they can see me playing person and not on TV. I'm playing my homeboy. In my prime? With Andy? In the West Coast? And that creativity?

Boy, you gonna have a... And that outfit, I know that outfit. Yeah, you gonna have... Oh, boy're going to have in that office. I know that office. Yeah, you have. Oh, boy. You have a field day. Oh, boy. Oh, yes. That's why I play. That's what I'm playing for. Oh, Joe, that concludes this edition of Nightcap. Thank you guys for joining us

as you watch the Buffalo Bills in their stadium. They got one more? It wasn't there, what I saw? Hold on. Oh, you just put that up there. It has not. Alan Fletcher said, Unkenocho love you guys.

It's after midnight and it's finally my birthday. Been with you guys from the beginning. The good way to start my day is watching Nightcap. Alan, happy birthday. Bro, thank you for the support. Thank you for being at day one. We greatly, greatly appreciate that. We appreciate all our loyal

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