Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Caleb Williams Expectations + Shedeur Thriving in Browns Crowded QB Room

Episode Date: May 24, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson discuss expecations for Chicago Browns QB Caleb Williams heading into Year 2, Shedeur Sanders saying the Cleveland Browns overcrowded QB room has no problems, and much more!01:47 - Michael Malone calls SGA a foul artist03:47 - Haliburton on his lack of participation on Team USA18:40 - Overcrowded Browns QB room posing no problems25:24 - Sam Laporta’s decreased production with the Lions28:27 - Chicago Bears coach tweaking Caleb Williams’ stance41:38 - Milton dazzling in Cowboys practice44:26 - Q & Ayyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I mean, there are many players that are able to manipulate the game and use the rules to their advantage offensively. It's all about discipline, understanding who you're playing and being sound and tech, and technically sound on your end when you're playing defense on those said players. I mean, it's pretty easy. or in when you play a defense on those said players. I mean, it's pretty easy. I mean, I'm not, I'm saying it's pretty easy. I'm just saying based when you're playing on type of players like SGA, you already know what to do.

Right. He's bigger than you think. He's more physical than you think. He's got a middie. He's not really reliant on any particular, pretty particular shot. Yeah, he has three point range, but he's not gonna live and die by it. He can get to the, he can get to the mid range. A lot of but he's not going to live and die by it.

He can get to the mid-range. A lot of times he's not already trying to get to the basket. He's just trying to create separation. Now when he tries to go to the basket, yeah, he's trying to initiate contract attack, either get a foul or get an A and one. But hey, they're calling it. And plus he's small. Man, how many foul, foul shots do you think a game shot should have been shot? Whoa. Twenty? Easily. Easily.

I mean, people getting having two and three centers, three and four centers on their team because he knows he's going to foul two of them out. So we got 24 fouls tonight, guys. Let's use them up. Tyrese Halliburton admitted his limited role on the US team in the 2024 Summer Olympics impacted him more than he initially let on. Halle called it an ego check when recalling the fact that he helped... that he played only 26 total minutes in Paris,

which is the fewest of any player on Team USA. In reference to the jokes being made about the lack of participation on social media, Halliburton remembered thinking, I'm getting clowned. How do I respond? on Team USA. In reference to the jokes being made about the lack of participation on social media, Halliburton remember thinking, I'm getting clowned, how do I respond? Halliburton's first instinct was to play along. He's like, made humorous posts on Twitter about winning a gold medal despite not contributing

to the group project. However, Halliburton said deep down, he was motivated to prove his detractors wrong, saying, when the season starts, I'm like, I'm going to go now, I'm going to get, I'm like, I'm going to go now. I'm going to get y'all back. I'm going to get at y'all. Excuse me. I like, and he doing just that.

Oh, oh, oh, John. I try to tell people and people just want to, oh, no. Right. The greater the person is, the bigger his ego is. Yeah. You're talking about a guy that's in the NBA, he's been an all-star. And you said, oh, he should just be happy?

No! Even though Jason Tatum said, hey, blah, blah, blah. Can you imagine? Jason Tatum is more accomplished than Tyrese Halliburton. At the time, he was a three-time first-team All-NBA selection. He had gone to the NBA Finals He'd gone to the NBA finals twice. He had won one. He was an Eastern conference finals MVP. And he's like, true holiday is playing in front of him. Derek White is playing in front of him.

Yeah. I'm just telling him how to human data, how to, as someone that's you and I have both been successful at a particular sport with successful in this. You're competitive. We're competitive. It is one thing, cause I can't control it, Ocho. I mean, okay.

If we go to, if we go, let's just say we're going to say, they're going to line up like 10 podcasts, whoever, all this, everybody 10 podcasts. Okay. We're going to go show Ocho. We're going to get to do our thing. No, no, no, no, no, no. Nightcap y'all. Hold on.

Hold on. Y'all will go tomorrow. She okay. Okay. Okay. That's all we could. We could guess what tomorrow. This is what we're going to do.

Oh, Joe. Yeah. Mark. No, no, no, no. Y'all going Thursday. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Y'all going Thursday. Now, now, I don't know. After I do this right here, I got to sit up in my chair.

Wait a damn minute now. Yeah. What you mean we not, we not, we not going. You let everybody else go. Why we could, why did I come? Why did I sign on for this? I brought my team over here. And you mean to tell me

we not gonna get to do a podcast? Oh, I tell you what, we'll let y'all do Spell-O-Synco and dunk on nothing. That's it. Man, y'all keep this ish. Yeah. You're keeping us stack with you. So that's how they feel. So you're talking about a guy, I understand, I understand.

Like I said, the only three guys that didn't have to go and make the team was Steph, KD, and LeBron. Because many believe this was going gonna be their final Olympics. Now, who knows what's gonna happen in three years? Steph could be playing at an extremely high level and wants to go again. Kevin Durant might want to try to go get... What? What do you got? Four gold medals? Might go try to go get five? Yeah.

So he might try to get five. We don't know, but those guys were like, okay... Usher and those guys, now we got a new generation, the Jason Tatum, the Ant-Man Edwards, X, Y, and Z. Right. So I totally understand Tyree Halle's frustration. Yeah. I'm glad. Hey, I remember my first pro, my first pro ball Ocho.

I'm happy. I'm just happy to be there Ocho. Man, you know, I like damn, look at Dan Marino, Jim Carrey, Warren Mood. I'm like, damn, OK. I see Bruce Smith and Junior Sayow, and I got, oh, DT. And like, oh, damn, look at this. Woo, woo, woo.

I was like, ah, yeah. I'm just happy to be there. Oh, yeah. Now, am I happy to be there? Y'all ain't gonna throw me no damn balls up over here. But I, hey, oh, yo, I did not come all the way. I'm trying to say it wasn't that far because I was already on the West Coast, don't you, because that year the Super Bowl, the Super Bowl was in Pasadena.

Right. Because the Cowboys beat the Bills. So Super Bowl was in Pasadena. Right. Because the Cowboys beat the Bills. So I was already on the West Coast, it was sort of a five hour flight. Now I'd have really felt some type of way, I had to bring my ass from the East Coast, which is a four plus hour flight to get my black ass to California and then get on and fly on over there. Because at the time, I don't think Atlanta had that direct flight. Atlanta got a direct flight, now I think it's a little over 10 hours to go direct go directly to Hawaii

Yeah, so I was like damn I came all this way and that day don't be not what ball Hey, but y'all talk about a special teams I'll let him run it back. I might be blocking. Hey, hey, old Joe, I'll be blocking for it. Y'all better, y'all better, y'all better throw me a pass. Nah, you gotta tackle it. I'll be blocking. Hey, bro, you shout out, man.

Man, come on, Joe. So I get guys' frustration. I know the ultimate goal is, is like like like, you know Like he said a science project where he got an eight. He didn't participate But you know, he's making like make it a lot of a situation. Sometimes you got a laugh to stop from crying Oh Joe. Yeah. Yeah You know, like I said and I appreciate that and I think Jason Tatum if he's if Halle is feeling that way I'm Jason Tatum is if he's, if Halle is feeling that way, I believe Jason Tatum is doubly upset.

Yeah, absolutely. Doubly. Halle Burton had the chance to get the last laugh now. Yeah. You got the chance to get the last laugh. So I'm sure he's having, he's having a ball right now, especially right now where, where he is, where they are as a team collectively and how he's doing himself. Right.

Boy, if they make them damn finals. Yeah, I bet, and I think, I think, uh, he's like, man, y'all can't find, y'all can't, cause what, how many games they play? Five games? How many games they play in the Olympics? He said, man, I ain't got but 26 minutes, I'm playing less than six minutes a game. And it's not like they long minutes.

There might be two minutes here. There might be 30 seconds there. They got me coming in. Hey, they got me coming in doing mop up duty. And then now. And then that, yeah, yeah. That's tough. Because that's not me.

You got to think about it. I mean, he's been a starter his whole year. So it's already different for him coming off the bench. Yeah. And now he's like, okay, y'all got six games. So he played six games. He played, he played less than five minutes a game. But then also, you know, you have to understand

the people that you're surrounding yourself by. The people that you're, that you're, you're that are playing in front of you. So, right. My question to yourself, but then it's hard to question yourself when you understand, okay, look who's on the goddamn floor in front of me. There's only so much.

Can I really complain? Yeah, he said, hold on. He said, man, y'all got Holliday playing more minutes than me, but Holliday played his role. Holliday is a defensive stopper. Derrick White, he's a defensive guy. And you saw Book. Book said, hey, I'll go, I'll play whatever they need. Y'all need me to just play defense. Because once Kobe set that template, Kobe say, hey, Ron, Mello,

y'all do what y'all do. I got defense. Right. Now you see everybody throw that up. Hey, man, Kobe came over, Kobe went try to score no part of Kobe playing defense. And man said, well, I don't see no Kobe on this court. So I'm gonna believe that rock. I believe I will need to score some.

Uh, but I get it. Look, it's, it's a, it's a huge honor to go represent your country, to win that gold medal, to be on that podium with two other, with two other teams. I think it was, who was it? Serbia was the other team in France. Right. Uh, on that thing. France got the silver, and I think Serbia, Jokic's team got the bronze medal.

And to hear that star spangled, hear your national anthem being played, that is a huge honor. There is no greater than playing for your country. You're also representing your country, but you're representing yourself, you're representing your family. I'm sure all those guys had parents and sisters and brothers over there that was watching

and to be at the Olympics, because I'm sure everybody has watched the Olympics from the beginning of time. I remember, I think the first Olympics that I can remember, I vaguely remember Montreal in 76. Yeah. You know, in 80, we boycotted the Soviet games because of the invasion, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

They replayed, returned the favor in 84 when they were in LA. Uh, and then, but 84 is the Olympics that I vividly, vividly remember. I'm in high school, uh, obviously. And then 88 they're in Seoul, uh, 92 I'm in the league as a matter of fact, oh, that was my first holdout year. So I'm like, Hey, I told my agent, say, hold up. I say the Olympics, the Olympics about to start. Let's go like halfway through the Olympics. Let me see this, see these races.

Let me see some of these races. Like, um, Lippert-Christy won the hundred meters that year. Uh, but anyway, but that's a huge accomplishment, don't you? I mean, to go and just see all those other countries and to be at the venues and you know, the guys going to check out the swimming and they go into it and see track and field. I can just imagine if you played in the Olympics and you got an opportunity to see Usain Bolt run, or you got an opportunity to see Michael Phelps swim, or you get an opportunity to see Simone Biles do a, whatever, a Biles, that move that, she got so many moves named after.

I guess now, you know, you got it, you go and you look for Katie Ledecky because she's the great American swimmer, Andrew Marchand, the Frenchman, you know, you might want to watch him, but he's from another country. But to see Usain and to see Michael Phelps and to see some of these greats, that's what I'd be wanting to do. Yeah. Hey, get off your feet. I'm going to be on my feet.

I'm going to watch everybody else. I'm going to watch. Yes. Everybody else. Me, but me, Ocho, you know what I like? I'm going to go watch, I'm going to go watch wrestling. I like weightlifting. Right.

I'm going to go watch sports like that. Yeah. I, yes, I would love to see the swimming and stuff, but the weightlifting and the wrestling, count your boy in, that's where I'm gonna be. That's where I'm gonna be. But I'm glad Halliburton said that because a lot of times, don't you?

People think because you make a lot of money, you should have, so money goes away with all your feelings, all your emotions, you're devoid of those now. Hurt, anger, frustration, anxiety, stress. You, man, you make 200 million, you make 300 million. You're supposed to be devoid of those now? All you do is have money to throw at things to make things better. You get better insurance, you got platinum insurance, and you got money to try to solve and resolve or fix problems. But it doesn't make you exempt from problems. Yeah.

Absolutely. Guess what? If that was the case, there are all the people that got that money, they still be here. They'd be three, four, five, six, 700 years old. They'd be older than Methuselah. So clearly, money does not absolve you from things that happen to people in society. You might have a better mechanism in order to deal with it as far as therapists and people to talk to and do certain things, but money does not absolve you from problems that impact people that doesn't have money.

And I think people need to understand that. People think money, man, what problems? I don't think they would never understand it people think money Bad I have no problems I don't think they would never never understand it because of the amount of money that athletes make today They feel if they were in that position. They would have no problems because they would be right now is the money That's it they feel that money will cure everything They feel it will cure everything and it just doesn't. It's just for athletes that have issues, like not getting the minutes you wanna play and having to joke about it at the goddamn Olympics.

Well, how could you be upset if so-and-so? Bro, you got 200 million, bro. Because I have emotions, I'm not a robot. Don't feel, I haven't been programmed not to have, not to feel anger, not to feel frustration, not to be upset, not to be disappointed. I'm not programmed, I'm a human being. I have a mind, I have a heart, and things upset people.

Things cause people to get angry or frustrated. You get your heart broken. It happens. So I'm glad Hallie had shared those comments and he's playing extremely well. You're definitely proving it. All those people that thought you were overrated. Keep it going. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary.

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We're all different characters. It's funny going in there seeing Joe every day. It's fun to see him because I like, wow, I really mean Joe Flacco right now, we're on the same team. Then of course, kidding the experience he's been in the league with these two is cool and just see the process of it. And to Sean, of course he's active in there and he's all in the meeting. So it's cool talking to him. Why? So yes, only one quarterback can play. We understand that.

So because only one quarterback, this isn't Hunger Games. You know, I mean, I think that, you know, people think so. I think sometimes on your people try to pitch like it's a Hunger Games. Like you could have only one winner. Yes, there's only going to be one guy that's going to be able to play at a time. But I'm not trying to sabotage it. I'm going to go in there. Hopefully he can impart some wisdom. Joe Flacco's been in this thing a very, very long time. What is this year?

17, 18 for Joe? Sula, Sula-Walt winning quarterback at that. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Got to be at least 17. I think 2009 was the rookie year. Two. Okay.

So this year, so this year 17, 18. Okay. So this is your 17th, 18th, okay. Yeah. So, hey, hopefully I can get some from Joe. Kenny Pickett has been in the league for a while. I don't know if I'm gonna get too much from him, but you know, hey, let's see how it go. But, so what, I'm just trying to figure out what it's supposed to be.

I understand. Oh Joe, when you were in the wire receiving room. Yeah. I mean, y'all, it wasn't a whole bunch of three wires. It was two wire receivers. Yeah, everybody wanted to play. I'm not trying to sabotage anybody so I can play in front of them.

If you beat me out for the job, ain't gonna happen, but wish you the best. Yeah, most definite. And we know what the pecking orders gonna be, we know what the pecking order is going to be. We know what the pecking order is going to be based on what we saw from rookie camp after they got drafted. Listen, the eye test, it doesn't lie. And based on the eye test, when you've seen the quarterbacks that came in

their rookie year, you already know who's the best. You already know who it is. So Flacco is going to be the best. You already know who it is. So Flacco is going to be the starter. At some point, if Flacco is not playing well, Shador Sanders will step in and be the quarterback in the future. Yeah. That's just how it's going to go. That's how it always plays out. Every single time. Just not in this situation. In any situation. Maybe this one is a little different because it is Shadori of the fifth Brown pick, he's very, very well known and he's last name is Sanders.

But these things like this happen all the time and it all plays out the same way. The cream always rises to the top. It never settles on the bottom. And if Shadori is what he believes he is and his supporters believe he is, when the opportunity presents himself, he'll get in there and he won't look back. Same thing would happen with Tom Brady. Tom Brady came in as a six-round draft pick. He really, he didn't play his rookie year and he was sitting the bench start of his

sophomore year. Guy gets hurt, he goes in and he doesn't look back. Lou Gehrig was not starting at first base. Wally Pipp was. And one day he had a headache. And guess what, Ocho? He never got back on first base again, unless he was DH'ing. And I don't think they had the DH back there.

So it happens. It's just when your opportunity, when the opportunity presents itself. That's what luck is. You know what luck is? When preparation meets opportunity. Opportunity. Yeah. Yeah. If you're prepared, when the opportunity presents itself, doesn't matter whether it's in sports, whether it's in media, you know, people ask undisputed, well, how many, bro, I just waiting, people ask undisputed. Well, how many bro?

I just waiting for that opportunity that I was prepared. I prepared a lifetime Yeah, my knowledge of studying and going over stuff and watching sports very intently you hear cornbread say man Damn, look how you breaking the game down. I wouldn't think you break it down like that. You like a fan, right? Yeah, but when you watch and you study knowing that an opportunity gonna presents itself the thing, you know people don't plan to fail, they fail to plan. Right. So all I'm doing is hoarding information, studying, I'll be doing something, it's gonna come, it's gonna happen.

And when it does, be ready. We put this together, man, I can do my own thing. I can do this. I just need somebody to do the bounce. Hey, that's entertaining. Can bounce stuff off of. Don't you want you to think about this? And you won't do it. I want to do it too. Yeah.

She let's do it. Mm hmm. But the opportunity. A lot of times people get opportunity. Ah man, they messed over me. No, you weren't prepared. You weren't ready. You weren't ready.

And so hey, now you gotta, don't, when things don't happen, don't blame somebody else. Yeah, I hate that. What could you have done differently? What could you have done better? And you know what I also hate, huh? Yeah, I hate that. What could you have done differently? What could you have done better? You know what I also hate, huh? Is when people know a situation. People know a situation is bad

and they always find an excuse instead of doing what they need to do. Instead of doing what's necessary to fix said situation, but blame everything else going on around. I thought that that urged me. That urged it. Because it's easier to blame someone else than to blame yourself.

Because if I were to put that on me, Ocho, that means that something about me is wrong. Who wants to admit that there's something wrong with them? Yeah. Accountability. Yeah. I'd be the first to raise my hand in situations like Hey, I put Shannon Shannon done this. Yeah I'm big. I'm big on accountability. Damn If I fuck up you got to own you have to own up to it. You have to that's the only way to and look

It happens. Don't beat yourself up about it too much. Hey, you're gonna go through those emotions like damn Really but then hey pick yourself up You're going to go through those emotions like, damn. Really? But then, hey, pick yourself up. God is good and good and in bad. He's still God. Mm-hmm. And good and in bad. So we're going to see what you're doing.

I just wanted to get in there. And when he gets his opportunity, take the most of it. Oh, Joe, a lot has been made about Sam Laporta's decreased production in the sophomore season with the Lambs. Laporta was target 120 times in 2023 and just 83 times in 2024. What they expect? That's 37 fewer targets. What they expect, what they expect, uncle?

You got Jameson Williams, you got Amon Ross Saint Brown, you got Jameer Gibbs, you got Dan Montgomery in the backfield. Well Ross, St. Brown, you got Jameer Gibbs, you got damn Montgomery in the backfield. Well, obviously, I mean, what's so- And you got the guy, what was the guy that came from Denver? I forget his name. He played, yeah. So we saw his receiving yards and total shot total saw a dip.

Laporte defending himself against credit today, using too many miles to feed in this argument. Oh, there we go. I feel like he said it. I stepped. Yes, he said it. I stepped. Yes, you said it. I mean, you can see that from a mile away.

Well, that's expected. So if, so I mean, look, when you got Alma and Ralph say Brown catching over, so how many people you think they can throw it, they can catch a hundred balls? You put a lot of, I mean, yeah, Kelsey's numbers are down, but obviously you see other people's numbers tick up. That's just the way it works. Yeah.

I mean, so you want Armand Ross Saint Brown. I mean, he has the kids that he have like 110, 115. Okay. He gets 115. Now you want Lap have what? 1.10? Let's just say you want him to have 90. Okay, how many James and Williams get? How many are you gonna throw the Giebs out of the backfield? I felt like I was still very positive in the past game, but I keep hearing comments, maybe like this obviously like, why do you get the ball as much? It's like, dude, we scored the most points of any team in the NFL in the last five years, like everybody deserves the ball. And I agree.

I think I deserve the ball still, but I'm very pleased with how I blocked last year in the run game. See, see how they try to pit you against your teammates. Yeah. Oh, you get the ball. So that means the fact, yeah, I should, yeah, they should be throwing me the ball. Yeah. I understand he had it, but they need to give me the rock.

You see, I didn't try to do that, Ocho? Always. Winning ain't enough. I feel bad for you guys, cause it seems like me, some of y'all had them on y'all fantasy team. That's probably what it was, right there. That's what it seems like to me.

If I didn't not get in the ball, worried about that goddamn fantasy, you know what? The fantasy or their parlay? Or the fantasy and parlay though, Ocho? Everybody, damn, you You know what? What? The fantasy of their parlay. Mm-hmm. The fantasy of parlay though, Choy. Everybody damn, you messed my parlay up. Yeah. Well,

I don't know what to tell you. I ain't mess my game up, we won. That's all I really care about, all that other stuff. Ain't nothing y'all gonna break me off. So when y'all break me off, when I scored three touch down to have a hundred yards y'all live a man Man, you were my fantasy for me today. You were my parley. Let me break you off something. Give me a little check Yeah, all you do is a man. I remember that time you want me my fantasy league. Okay, let me get something there Then you you won't yeah. Yeah, you told me that's what I did. Yes, right

Oh man, you, you won't, yeah, yeah. You told me that's what I did. Yes. Right. Chicago bears head coach Ben Johnson is already tweaking Caleb Williams' mechanic issue. The second year quarterback has adjusted his stance and is, uh, keep his left foot forward, uh, before the snap. Ben Johnson said, I've done it a number of ways in my time in the league.

And really over the last few years, uh. I kind of gravitated towards that. It's something that I feel pretty strongly about. He and I talked about it, the reason why we want to do it. I think it helps out certainly with the quick game from the gun and it helps us being a little bit better of throwing a posture for like a lot of other things that we're asking him to do. Ocho, do you like this?

And do you expect big things from Caleb Williams in 2025? I absolutely do expect big things from Caleb Williams. Understanding how good he is already. Tremendous, tremendous athleticism. He has a very strong arm and he's a dual threat quarterback with the addition of Ben Johnson and the creativity that he's able to bring to that offense. And what Caleb can do, I think it's going to be that much better for them offensively. I'm excited. I'm excited for him.

The little twists and nuances that he's changing in Caleb's game is really interesting. Probably allowing Caleb to get to it and drop a little faster, being able to process information a little faster. Especially in the quick game. And I think it's gonna help in the long run. People that might not like Kaden Williams for personal reasons based on what he'd like to do and enjoy off the field, I think. No, I think it's because of what he said, and his dad said they didn't wanna go to Chicago.

I think people are still holding that against him. Yeah, well, that just came out. Before they even came out before they didn't came out Just some of the things you did when they see and some of the you know, the pain that is long They think I mean less just personal stuff like that outside of what just came out I think they're gonna be alright I think they're gonna be alright simply because of not only the support and Cassie has around But getting a coach a winning coach like Ben Johnson there is gonna is gonna do wonders for him

Okay, if it's gonna help us win more games have I paid for to get a painting I Paid for me get a manicure right I'm trying to win game out and I don't care about the what somebody else do they got nothing to do with me Oh Joe him paint his nail paint his toenails. Yeah, he want to die his hair pink green blue have a blonde. I don't give a D You're a football player you the quarterback of this team Just carry the football as it has all have more positive and negative and we good all that other stuff there I'm telling you guys don't care guys want to win. So what's somebody doing this spare time as on them? But I mean they made my hands

Why I care you right Hey Just be a good teammate. I did let's come in here pay it work. Where you from what you did? Okay That's why I so hard to win a championship in football But you got so many guys from so many different backgrounds and you ask them to do one thing, come together and make a fabulous dish. Mm-hmm. That's what you're asking.

But I think Caleb is going to do really well. They revamped his offensive line. They signed Joe Thune. They got the guy from, they got a guy from the center from the Falcons, I think. They got an offensive lineman from the Chargers. They've done a great job. You know, Roma Duesday, DJ Moore, they got the tight end, drafted him first in the first round from Michigan, paired with Cole Comet. They got a nice running game. Like defensively, they're going to be defensive. They're gonna be they're gonna be good

Office really gonna be much better So with the office being much better, I think you know you take some of the pressure off the defense and The best sweat sometimes the best way to help a defense that's not very good It's a key dance off the field. You stay on the field for the extended period of time We don't let them get on the field the Bad things happen when they get on the field. But I think Caleb Williams is gonna be really, really good this year. I think Ben Johnson.

Go ahead, Ocho. I'm not gonna give him a say. He's gonna take a huge leap. He's gonna take a huge leap. And gonna surprise a lot of people. Every year there's always a team. And to me, I think the Bears might be that team. Every year the same teams are always in contention, always in contention.

Now understanding the division, they plan Packers, you know, I understand Packers, Lions, and the Vikes. I understand that, but I think they're going to be that team that takes that leap this year that surprises everybody. I think the thing is Ocho, they're going to have to in order for them to make the playoffs, you got the Lions, you got the Packers, you got the Vikes, the Lions. What lost what one game, maybe two games, the Vikings lost what two games, maybe three games. The Packers were 10 and seven.

So you're looking to probably have to go 10 and seven, 11 and six just to make the playoffs. 11 and six just to make the playoffs. Hmm. The lions might take a step back, but, uh, from the office of play calling situation, but I think they're going to be just as good. Are they 15? May are they going to be 15 and two? Maybe not. Maybe not, but it's hard for them stepping off a cliff and all of a sudden

they went 15 games and dropped down to 10. I think they get some of those guys on the defensive side back healthy. Obviously they still going to be able to put up points. Jameer Gibson special, Armand Ross, St. Brown, Jamison Williams, the four to. That Brian Branch, what? Hey, he is the real deal. They got Joseph.

Joseph that like I said, they just need to get some of those guys that was injured last year. Get those guys back. Make healthy. Yeah, guys back healthy. Ain't coming back. Hutchison. I just read I think he's he's a bit cleared.

He's a full goal now. I think the big D tackle of McNeil, I think he got injured, he should be able to go. One of the linebackers got injured, he should be able to go. You know, they had a lot of guys on injured reserve last year, you know, we're not gonna make any excuses, give Washington credit. Washington went in there, took it to him.

They scored, they did a great job of taking the ball away from Jerry Goff. The one thing that, you know, we know about Goff, he has the ability to throw you five touchdowns, but he can throw five interceptions too. And, um, you know, he had, he picked the worst time to have probably his worst game, his second worst game of the season. Yeah. Now the worst game was what he had in, uh, Houston.

He threw five picks and they still won the game. Yeah. But this one, those turnovers, they didn't win the game. They, they, yeah. But I definitely think Caleb Williams is going to have to take a huge step forward. I think he's going to take a huge step forward. You talk about a guy that has great improvisational skill, arm, arm slots

in which you can throw the ball from the three quarters, the side to over the top. You can get the ball that quick. And I, you know, he's changing his motion because sometimes we just want to, Hey, hey, just up and throw the football. Basically get a grip and let it grip No, I'm anxious to see I want him to do extremely well I Don't have a problem with dad did his dad try to put him in the best situation possible

He didn't think Chicago was the best situation possible, but I think Caleb realized that's there a great situation But I think Caleb realized that they're in a great situation. He had a great offensive mind coming in, a great head coach, that's gonna be working lockstep with him. He can't ask for anything more than that, Ocho. Just an opportunity to get coached really, really well. Good, really good players around him. Now you just go do your job.

I believe that's what he's gonna do. I absolutely believe that's what he's gonna do. You don't have the kind of production that he had at USC and you saw the flashes. You saw the flashes last year of what he can be. As a matter of fact, on Thanksgiving, they was down real bad. Now, you know, situation, there was some miscommunication about do we spike the ball or they let a lot of time run off it and stuff like that and he ended up getting sacked. But a lot of stuff that you chalk up as a rookie.

But I don't think we see those same mistakes this year. I'm excited to see what the future holds for this young man because I think he can be special. He's gonna have to be. Cause look at the quarterbacks in that division. Look at the teams in that division. And I'm sure Barry fans like, man, I wanna make the playoff.

I want a chance to compete for a Super Bowl. And I believe he gives them the opportunity. We'll see what they're gonna be overall as a team, especially when it comes to the defense side because we see the improvement From a head coach standpoint from the offensive line what they've redone redone that now is gonna come down to defensively Are they gonna be able to stop people they got some good players back there? So I'm anxious to see what the Bears can do on this one it's gonna be a

Bear the Bears like I think they don't surprise some people at you I think they gonna put some points on the board. It's going to be a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, played in the 1978 47, no, 1947 NFL championship. Number two, the Lions, 68 years, 1957. Vikings, 64 years, they joined the NFL in 1961. Browns, 60 years, 1964 NFL championship. Falcons, 59 years, they joined the NFL in 1966. Their first overall draft pick number one, the man in the middle, Tommy Nobis. Buffalo Bills, 59 years.

They joined the NFL in 1966. The Chargers, 59 years. They joined 1966. AFL. Me? No, they came in AFL started in 1960, if I'm not mistaken. Tennessee Titans, 59 years, they joined 1966. The Bengals joined the NFL 1968.

Jess, 56 years, Super Bowl III, 1969. Of those teams, Ocho, who's getting that championship this year? I mean, this year? I don't know. I mean, in the coming years, the closest two teams that everybody that you name that actually have a chance, a realistic chance at winning a championship are the Bills and the Bengals, honestly. And it's simply because of the quarterbacks at the helm. I mean, if we're being honest, everybody that you just ran down, they had their best chance at's a championship at some point in the next five to seven years everyone else

uh-huh it's very very good to see tell me see y'all ain't gonna get nothing Jets I found could be brown whoo no Cardinals, no, and this is no disrespect to those teams. But I'm saying, the makeup, the makeup, it's just not happening. The Bills, I can see it. The Bengals, I can see it. You know, there's certain things we, I mean, obviously the Bengals need to do

starting early, starting fast, early in the season. If they could, they've already been to a Superbowl. They just didn't got them winning so they can damn sure get back. The bills are right there. They're on the cusp of being there. So as long as, as long as Josh Allen is there, they will be back again and contention every goddamn year. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the

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In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir? No. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. And I'm not taking any more questions. In just a second, I'm going to ask attorney general. I'm Leon Nefock, co-creator of Slow Burn.

In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran-Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. A bunch of reports surfaced today of Joe Milton dazzling in Cowboys practice. Joe Milton, freak his talents, reportedly left his new teammates and coaches stunned

despite no pads at recent Cowboys practices. One NFL scout reportedly believes Milton has the most live arm of any quarterback in the NFL and has a chance to flourish in the Cowboys QB room. Brian Schottenheimer is reportedly all in on Milton and believes the sky's the limit for Milton in the league. Since joining the Cowboys, Milton has reportedly been the hardest worker, being the first one in the building and one of the last ones out on multiple occasions. Milton has reportedly already made some eye-opening throws, eye-opening plays, excuse me, including

an incredible throws and a 20 yard scramble. Ocho? Is Jerry putting these reports out? Is he the one that just got this back tattoo just went on the anesthesia and got this tattoo? I think he just got a tattoo. It's a few players that did it too this offseason. It's a few of them. I think he just got a back tattoo of size. He got some kind of torso.

Yeah. Ooh, I'm hurt. Ooh, I'm thinking about that. Oh, Joe. Damn. Hey, hey, listen, I'm even Jerry is putting these reports out. Many reports mean nothing, you know, going against yourself in helmets and shorts. He's nothing having a live arm is a good attribute to have, but it's so much more

to playing the quarterback position. You know, I like, I like him in general, but there's so much more to the game itself. Outside of what they're seeing in shorts and helmets, to be a quarterback is stressful, playing in a pressure situation if you're the starter for that goddamn team that wears a star on its helmet. So, I mean, they need to slow down a little bit with, with the reports and then the excitement and the flashes of what you're seeing against yourselves. Cause it, it means nothing when those bullets are firing for real on a Sunday at one o'clock. I mean, he showed, where was he at last year?

Wasn't he in a, where was he? New England. And he showed some flashes, Ocho. Running around, throwing the ball on the move. And I think he is gonna have some better offensive talent. Now I'm not saying he gonna beat Dak out. He ain't beating Dak out. You got $60 million.

You not finna put a $60 million. I don't care if Joe Milk can look like Patrick Mahomes in his second year. He's second year in the field where he threw a 55,000 yards at 50 touchdown. You ain't putting those $60 billion quarterback on the bench. So maybe that gives Jerry cause to pause

or maybe extending, but I don't see a scenario where Milton beat that guy out. What? Yeah. All right, Ochoa, we gonna get you out of this one. Now it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. Nick Gelsow, cornbread Maxwell equals MVP.

Yes, the number 12 pick out of UNC Charlotte. 1981 Finals MVP. When they beat the, they beat the Houston Rockets. Fortitude. Danny Littlejohn, Stephen A. Spike Lee are losing their mind. They are, they are, they are. They are. I I know spike sick Steven they sick spike just sicker hey I hope you do something I'm not sure what they can do many you got to get game three of an absolute must. Oh Joe. Yeah strange strange three of the absolute must

Gold standard says Jordan is the goat and knows it Jordan the only goat Jordan didn't have to say he was the goat It was just a fact but non-goat LeBron and it's miss imp say LeBron is the goat I mean first of all People declared Jordan the goat when he had no rings. Go back and look at when they look at Sports Illustrated when they say this is the greatest basketball player ever. He had no rings. He had never even been to an NBA finals. So what made him the GOAT? Valor, claim, aura, mannerisms, the way he carried himself.

He had no championships. I thought you said you can be great without winning championships, but in order to be the greatest, EST on the end of great, you needed to have championships. He had none. So tell me, when they put that on Sports Illustrated, what made him to go over Kareem? Right illustrated what made him to go over Korean, right? What made him to go over magic?

Who at the time had five championships five and had three finals MVP's along with three regular season MVPs Along with my own Larry Bird who had 84 85 86 He's the last guy to win three consecutive MVPs who had two finals MVPs What made Michael Jordan at the time when they said he was the goat the goat over guy that had six rings six MVPs two finals MVPs He was a four-time scoring champ a six-time rebound the rebound champ blocked shot champ and Then guess what Ocho? He had been to 19 All-Star games.

He was 11 times all defensive player, a 15 time all NBA selection. So I'm just trying to figure out how did we come to that conclusion? Right. You can say, if you want to say Jordan now, but they declared him to go when he didn't have any championships. So once you declare somebody something, how do you take it away from them? Even, even if I'm a doctor, you take my medical license. I might not be able to practice, but I'm still a doctor. You take my law license.

I might not be able to practice, but I'm still a lawyer. You bestowed the title upon him and he didn't have anything to back it up. So how do you take that away from him now that he has what he has? Oh Joe, you can't. So he is in this and this and never any discussion. Never end. Appreciate that. Uh, gold standard. in. Appreciate that, uh, gold standard.

Ron the goat. JJ said, Oh, why don't the star players guard each other? They used to. Um, but now, um, not, not always Jordan to lot sometimes took it upon himself. But if you go back and look, a lot of times, Scotty guarded the opposing team's best player, uh, especially if it was a wing, point guard, shooting guard, small forward. Um, Kobe would like that challenge sometimes, but you wanted to save that guy for the offensive end.

You didn't want him spending all his energy trying to defend. Right. You go back, you know, Magic Johnson wasn't guarding Michael Jordan. He wasn't your guard and Clyde Drexler. You try to give him somebody that that's not going to call them the exert a lot, just the way it is. The Shante Carlot. So it's okay for Caleb, but not pretty to have a cast. Bro, did you listen to what we said last night?

Did you listen? Yeah, but what? I said, let's not do that because everybody have star players. All I said is that I don't see a situation where he elevates. Not taking anything away from Purdy. Purdy just earned everything that he's getting. But see, you don't listen and you,

I appreciate the question, Deshonte, but listen. Listen. Yeah, it's okay for him to have, Don't listen and you, I appreciate the question, Deshonte, but listen, listen. Yeah, it's okay for him to have, but did anybody say Caleb was a top 10 quarterback? Hmm? Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Just checking. Cameron Norwood Jr. Hmm? Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Okay, just checking. Cameron Orwood Jr., my question. Who you take in a rap battle, Lil Wayne or Drake, for 5200 from Ocho? Wayne. Wayne. And what can I, was that even a question who asked?

Yeah, I don't know, I don't know if I'm taking anybody over Wayne. Prime Wayne? I don't know if I'm taking anybody. I don't. And that boy got him when he was in the ball. It'd be some great one. You talk about Nas, you talk about Em,

you talk about Hove. Yeah. I mean, lyricists, you want to say lyricists? KRS-1? Big Daddy Kane? I'm talking about easy-f baby. Pac Biggie? It's a matter of preference, matter of choice. Like I said, I'm a little older than the guy, so I remember listening to KRS-1.

I remember listening to Big Daddy Cade. It all depends. But Ochoa would be $10,400 if he tipped Drake. And I like Drake. Nick Mars, this money thing has got to be out by now. Even if Ocho had Basil's money, he wouldn't pay. Yeah, yeah, you right. I'm starting to get the feeling. What happened? Ocho ain't going to run me my money, man. Yeah, yeah, you right. I'm starting to get... I'm starting to get the feeling.

What happened? Oh, you ain't gonna run me my money, man. Run my money? You know, it's me, man. You know how black folk is. We don't do nothing on time. I'm gonna get it to you. I'm definitely gonna get it to you.

Okay. Yeah, ain't no problem. Ain't no issue. I might have to send you know who over there to collect my money. So when she come over there, the bra break, drop them jerseys off. Yeah. Exchange jerseys, $5,200 in my pocket. Can we do that? He was

swapping those swindles. I gotta shake with the Mrs. Macy's. It was okay. Now you told me yesterday, the Senator, you know know who she would bring you to drop the judges off. All I'm saying is can I get my 5900? All right. Baby. I gotta check with the Mrs. Make sure cause cause you know it's a it's a new sheriff in town man so. Man don't be like that.

I'm just telling you it's a new sheriff in town So things ain't what it used to be some of the things we used to be able to do we really can't do no more So I got to make sure Ocho. Yeah Okay, I get it. Okay, no problem. I want a pocket. I want a problem. God was out. She's I want no problems either No problem I don't want no problems either. What no problems? So I don't know what he gonna do.

Joy, let me get those right there. They a little there. Yeah. Yeah. Ah, man. Oh, man. Hey, hey, city of my jerseys, man. No! I'm still trying to understand how you can get my dollar by my damn jersey anyway.

Is that a patch y'all be having? Yeah, that's a high time patch. Man, mind the beach. Man, man mind the beast senior high. Yeah. I'm saying how do you even order that this late in the game? Then we'll see then you go. I'm just curious. I like the red one, the red one nice but then the white one. I ain't been that in years. And if you don't don't give me my 5900, you won't see it again. Hey, how you got that? I'm going to go by the school.

I'm going to go by the school. Oh, tomorrow's Saturday, though. Yep. And guess what? It's the weekend. Late. Memorial Day weekend. They ain't got nothing for you.

Hey, it is Memorial Weekend now. Yeah. But what you going to do? You finna cook? Man, look here. I went and got But what you gonna do you finna cook? Man look here I wouldn't got me a haircut today I'm finna lay back. Okay. Tomorrow I'm gonna go work out. Who gets their haircut and goes and lay back. Most of the time you get your hair cut you know you want to be seen that's the

point of getting a haircut. I might go get a color man look at that all that gray Ocho. Damn. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah there you go there you go we're back I'm getting ready to go out right now go out where you know I'm in the midst of you gonna go to booby trap yeah I heard I listen I area 29 it left such a such a product it such a positive impact on my life. I want to see what the fuss is about boogie traps. So I'm going to see the comparison between area 29 in Houston and boogie trap on the river that I hear so many stories about.

So I'll check back in with you and let you know, let you know Sunday. June June said better punch lines, Wayne or Luda. It's so different. Completely different. Very good punch lines Wayne or Luda? Ah, it's so different. Completely different. Very good punch lines though. Hey them boys, wordplay man, they on some other, they on some, you know. Man, it used to be man, Luda had a stress there,

man if Luda jumped on the feature, you know it was going to be hooked. What time it was? PJ, uh, PJ P-11, who's the most underrated, underrated, wide receiver tight end from your eras. Might not have been Pro Bowls, all Pro, but they were fourths on the field. I grew up in the Ocho era, so I say Santana Moss and Dallas Clark. My arrow.

Then that's all I'm going to die. Damn. Y'all do realize I ain't played in two decades right? Who was underrated? I play with, you know, I wouldn't say he's underrated, but I just think the thing is, is that, you know, he was kind say he's underrated, but I just think the thing is that, you know, he was kind of in the same era that I was in. He was a year younger than me, Ben, Ben Coase. And his teams didn't win like my teams won. Now he did win, he came, we both went to Baltimore in 2000.

And it was great playing with him. Cause like I said, I took him on his first visit to Savannah State. So it was great to and we made so many Pro Bowls together Ochoa. I mean in the AFC when I was in my prime and he was in his prime you weren't going to the Pro Bowl. If your name wasn't Sharper Coats you were not going. Right. So why receiver, wire receiver, who is wire receiver? Jimmy Smith. George, Jimmy was that boy, man. That mofo was bad.

Well, he was that- Bad! That joker, man. That joker. That speed out. Hey. That joker fall off the table, Ocho. They smooth was bad, boy. Mark Brunel, that thing. Hey, Brunel put that thing right on the button every time. Man with him and Kenan.

That boy was nasty, bro. And that fabulous Freddie Taylor. Yeah, I used to study Jay Smoove. But all the boys, Kenan McCarty, Elkhorn, Ralph Smoove, now people sleep on Kenan. Yeah, yeah, Kena was nice. Good boy stop on a dive. But Jimmy with that speed out. And that end.

Yeah. I used to study OJ Slu, but I love Jimmy. Nathaniel said, Uncle Ocho, how many games will the Cowboys win this year? And Ocho, can you sing the national anthem for the chat? Ocho, how many games will the Cowboys win? Hey listen, honestly, I like the Cowboys 13 game win season, 13, 14 game win season. I like that. How many?

13. 13. 13. You know, I can say that. I say that. I really think so. And I'm just basing everything from an offensive perspective. That's it.

I'm not sure what the defense is gonna do, but I can tell you what that goddamn offense is gonna do. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I'm standing on that. I'm not even a Cowboys fan. I'm just understanding what that Prescott has at his disposal. That's all I know. That's all I know.

That's all I know. That concludes this episode of Night Count. Thank you guys for joining us. The Pacers take a commanding 2-0 lead. They go on the road, take both road games. This game 114 to 109, thanks to a sensational night from Pascal Siakam, 15 to 23, 3 or 5 from the 3, 6 or 8 from the free throw line, 39 big points. They have five other guys in double figures, Neesmith, Miles Turner, Nimhart, Halliburton, and McConnell, all scoring double figures.

As they beat the New York Knicks 114 to 109. The Knicks have a huge uphill battle to climb. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y'all know me, I am your favorite on Shannon Sharp, my partner and co-host Liberty City's own bingo ring of fame honoree, pro bowler, all pro. That's Chad Ocho Cinko Johnson. Wanna give a special thanks to Cedric Cornbread Maxwell for joining us to help

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