Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Caleb Williams talks trash, Spencer Rattler's reputation hurts his draft stock

Episode Date: April 28, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Caleb Williams trash-talking via text and Spencer Rattler falling in the draft. Then, they play Spell-o-Cinco and Dunk on Unc before answering questions from the chat. 0:00 Caleb Williams sends cold blooded text to Bears punter7:30 - Spencer Rattler falls due to reality show23:00 Deshaun trade complete24:00 Cowboys-Zeke reunion?29:00 Spell-o-Cinco38:00 Dunk on Unc57:00 Q and Ayyy #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and Akbar Bajabiamila for a daily breakdown of the league's biggest stories. Hey, you want to know the secret ingredient that makes Patrick Mahomes unstoppable? We'll be right back. on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Caleb Williams in a cold-blooded text to the Bears kicker. New partner after he was drafted. After hitting multiple home runs over the first couple of days in the 2024 draft,

the Chicago Bears drafted former Iowa punter Torrey Taylor in the fourth round. Taylor said he already received a text from Caleb Williams, said, hey, you're not going to punt much this year. Williams' confidence clearly knows no bounds.

I like it. Come on, we got all these young fellas, man, coming out here talking that talk. The last one I think to remember to say something like that, and it's still backing up to this day, was Jamar Chase. Jamar Chase said, I'm going to Cincinnati, and I'm going to break every record. And he stood ten toes about going about breaking every record.

Oh, you had to make it two records. Keon Coleman, who is also from Louisiana, came out talking that stuff. And I guarantee you his play is going to match the way he's talking. Caleb Williams, he done texted the punt already. Boy, don't even worry about it, boy. You ain't going to punt. You ain't going to. Boy, that's crazy.

Oh, Joe, that's crazy, ain't it? Do you see what he got to work with, though? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You see, Aduze and Keenan Allen and DJ Moore, Cole Komet. DJ Moore. How do you say young bull name from UW? I want to say it the wrong way. Aduze.

Roll the duze. Punt who? Punt. Alright. I'm excited to see the Bears offense. If Caleb talking like that, he mean business. Because you got to understand the Bears offense. If Caleb talking like that, he mean business. Because you got to understand the quarterback position doesn't do that.

Yeah, he definitely needs to have confidence. They don't do that. It's frowned upon. It's frowned upon. So for him to even allow this to get out, he wanted out on purpose. I like it. Well. I like it.

Not publicly because normally. I like it. Normally. I because normally... I like it. I know what you're going to say. Normally, the quarterbacks, they do show a lot of confidence, but normally it stays within the walls. Always. Because we're going back

and forth. John talking, oh, y'all not going to get anything today. Somebody battled the ball down. Yeah. Oh, he hot. Hey, team, come on. I'm like, man, I just, no, it's hot. He said, no, come on.

So now I got to go out there and redeem because they talking trash. So now I got to go out there and meat rod the egg. We got to go out there and cook somebody. Yeah, yeah.

But... How did y'all do in practice? Y'all did ones on twos or ones on ones sometimes? We did ones on ones in two minutes. In two minutes, yeah. Okay. Move the ball two minutes, stuff like that. Right.

At the end of practice? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But normally we did ones on a lot of times, yeah, even on nine on seven, we did ones on twos. Now, early on in training camp, you know, it's ones versus ones. Oh, yeah, even on 9-on-7, we did ones on twos. Now, early on in training camp, you know it's one versus ones. Oh, yeah, yeah, training camp, of course. Yeah, you do.

It's one versus one. And you were in shorts. Y'all was in shorts and helmet, too, right? In the second practice. In the first practice, we thudded. Practice, pull pads, yeah. Yeah. I had some fun.

Hey, hold on, hold on. What about training camp? Y'all linemen always got in the fights? The linemen always fighting in training camp. Yeah. OK, OK. Look here, bro. Y'all got to stop this. Because I? The linemen always fighting in training camp. Okay, okay. Look here, bro. Y'all got to stop this.

Because I know y'all... Because, Coach, you catch on quick. Y'all try to get out of practice. I fight. Start a fight on purpose so you get a body there? Uh-huh. Mike said, when y'all done fighting, y'all took 15 minutes.

We adding that on the practice. That's not the fight. That's not the fight that's not the fight you know what's funny every year they have joint practices and every year there's always a fight

and the media act like oh my god it's something new like come on now no come on now cause you'll let a little stuff go Ocho if it's my teammate

I'll let a little shove go I'll let you grab my face, man. I'm not finna let you do that, because the first time you think, you think you can get in the game and really do that. So that ain't gonna happen. Right, right, right. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. And you know what's funny? Most of the time, the scuffles that happen

in practice, in training camps with joint practices, you know you never see that in the game, because you already know you're in a game situation and you're not going to throw a punch. You're not going to pull nobody's face mask. I mean, the last time we saw something like that

where someone actually threw a punch and just really didn't care was Young Bull. Young Bull that was with the Bears. Remember? Oh, yeah.

When he slapped a dude from the Saints. Yeah, he walked all the way around to get in his face and really like drove back and took off. Yeah. Like that all the way around to get in his face and really like, nigga, drove back and took off. Yeah. Like, that was personal.

That was personal. If I'm not mistaken, that was Gardner Johnson that he did that to. It was? I think so. Gardner has a little nephew now. He'll get up under your skin now. Well, he didn't get that one. He took that one. He took that one. Hmm. He got up under his skin.

It's called mental warfare, mental gymnastics. Oh, yeah, yeah. You got to have tough skin out there. Yeah. Now you're throwing out the game, and now the Eagles got the edge. He was in what you call,

remember, he was with the Saints then, if I'm not mistaken. I think that was Gardner Johnson then. I think that was the one, the play that you're talking about where the guy ran down there. Yeah, the dude receiving from the Bears. I can't remember his last name. I think he was Gardner Johnson then. I think that was the one. The play that you're talking about where the guy ran down there. Receiver from the Bears. I can't remember his last name.

I think he won number 83. That's all I can remember. I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. He took off on it. Yeah. Oh, wait a minute.

Josh Norman and Odell. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah. I'm a key to leave in Michael Crabtree. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay, yeah. A key to leave in Michael Crabtree. Oh, yeah. But a key, Deebo, though, boy. Yeah, yeah.

But see, none of those got thrown out. Those are just little, little, little spats. I call them little spats. Those aren't worthy of getting thrown out the game. That's high emotion, middle of the game. Yeah. Getting after it. They cleaned it up. They had to. Go back there. If I'm not mistaken, I think it out the game. That's high emotion, middle of the game, getting after it. They cleaned it up. They had to.

Go back there. If I'm not mistaken, I think it was the Rams. I think it not was the Rams. It was the Raiders and the Chiefs. Wait, they had one then? Man, Sean Jones took the new helmet off and was swinging his helmet.

We tried to hit him upside the head with his helmet. Wait, what year was this? In the 80s. Wait, you talking about Kyle Turley? No, no, I ain't talking about Kyle Turley. I'm talking about I think it was like in the 80s, like

84, 85. It's the Raiders and the Chiefs. I'm almost certain of it. He took his helmet off? He tried to hit him with it? He did. In the middle of a game? Just like Miles Garrett. Remember when Miles Garrett hit

the quarterback? Oh, that's right. I forgot about that. I forgot about that. Mason Rudolph. It was a different game back then. They would get your ass up out of there. They didn't play. They done changed the rules now. They done made it so cost prohibitive to do things like that, Ocho.

But they would cheap shot your quarterback. They'd knock your quarterback out of the game. They'd hurt your quarterback. On purpose? Yes. With no repercussions? They say you did what you did on purpose. That's why they looked at it.

Oh, they wanted retribution. Oh, absolutely. Oh, y'all, they were crazy back then, right? Why you think they changed the rule, unabated to the quarterback? Yeah, yeah. Bruce Smith knocked Boomer Sison out of the game. He jumped the count, hit it right up on his chin. Go back and

look it up. Wait, he jumped the count and didn't slow down? Because they used to have unabated to the quarterback. He kept going. That's why they have unabated to the quarterback rules now. Oh, man, that's messed up. Go back and look at when Greek, that might have been 86, when I think it was Martin for Green Bay late hit McMahon.

Jim McMahon. Jim McMahon threw the ball, was standing there. He got it. Piledried him into the dirt. I know Jim got up. Jim ain't get up. Hell damn. Yeah, he was hurt. Knocked his ass out the game.

But you remember when Deion and Andre Rising got into it? Now, hey. That's a classic moment. but you remember hey you remember when Deion and Andre Rising got into it now hey Andre Johnson and Cortland Finnegan that's a classic yeah that was a classic moment Andre Johnson and Cortland

they was hey Andre was throwing haymakers yeah he was and you know Dre don't talk now Dre quiet nope

I done known I done known Dre all my life since he was at Miami High yeah I could probably say I done heard Dre talk maybe 10 times. 10 times.

I done known him since high school now. Right. So Corlin had to say something to do something just like C.J. Gardner Johnson did with Buddy from the Bears. Yep. Buddy from the Bears really had to get people that are normally quiet and don't say nothing to get up under their skin, you got to be really talking some crazy talk, man. AJ Green and then Jalen Ramsey. Oh, Jalen Ramsey.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, I think I might have heard AJ Green talk maybe three times at that. He don't talk at all. He quiet. Quiet. But you know Jalen talk now. Jalen going to talk to y'all game.

He going to get up under his skin. Oh, yeah, for sure. Oh, that's classic. Oh, Joe. Spencer Rattler fell in the draft due to the reality show. It took it to the fifth round for Spencer Rattler to come off the draft board, drafted by the Saints with a 150 overall pick. And the decision he made years ago in high school is to blame for that.

Rattler's participation in the next next QB1, Beyond the Lights, and how he came off in that topic, that number of teams was stuck on. Ian Rappaport said, Spencer Rattler did a reality show in high school. It did not make him look great. It was unbelievable how many different teams mentioned to me

the image of him in that show and how they can't get that out of their heads. Albert Breer said, the show came up, just about every conversation about Rattler, even though the coaches at South Carolina told NFL teams that he had matured significantly since then.

You know, it is hard for me to comment on that because I didn't see the show. I'm not sure how the show depicted him as a quarterback in high school, but Spencer Rattler, if I'm not mistaken, I, me, as a GM, as a scout, and you've always told me I have to understand the amount of money that these teams are getting ready to invest in these players. So they go back to your past, because I mentioned it to you before, when it was time for me

to get drafted. I went second round. Obviously, there were many red flags because I went to 337 schools just to get to Oregon State. But I went in the second round and they went back to my elementary teachers

just to talk, you know, to ask questions. And I'm like, really? What does that have to do with me playing the game of football? Because when you turn the film on,

you know what you're getting. When you turn the film on, you know what you're getting. Turn on the film when it comes to Spencer Rattler as a team, you know what you're getting. When you turn the film on, you know what you're getting. Turn on the film when it comes to Spencer Rattler. As a team, you know what you're getting. Obviously, the Saints have him now. And I hope, I hope Spencer Rattler finds a way to make the team, the other 31 teams that pass on him, pay for that.

I'm not sure when his opportunity might present itself. But when it does, I hope he uses this as a chip on his shoulder, uses that leverage, uses that motivation, whatever it may be, and turn it into a positive. It's not an accident, Ocho. When you fill out a resume,

excuse me, an application, what do they ask for? References. References, yes. Why do they want that? Yes. Because they want somebody, yeah, they want somebody to vouch for you one way or another.

Oh, he's a great. Hey, he was a model. He was a model co-worker. Always on time. Very courteous. Very polite. Or he's an asshole. Yeah.

Yeah. Man, that's messed up, man. It is. That's messed up. That's why you have to be careful, like, cosigning. Because I don't set nobody up on no blind date. Hey, Shannon, you got any single friends? Nope.

As a matter of fact, I ain't got no friends. I said all my friends run rabbits and eat booty out of garbage. All my friends don't. So, no, I ain't setting you up because guess what? I set you up, it goes afoul. Guess what they're going to say? Shannon, you up because guess what I set you up it goes up guess what they're going to say Shannon you set it up you set it up

yep no find your own man and if it goes awry it goes awry it's your fault oh right no hell nah and I ain't vouch

co-signing nope mm-mm co-signing me if you miss a payment who got to pay for that no joke yeah or you mess up my credit

nah yeah if i if i vouch for you if i vouch yeah ain't a whole lot of people i'm putting my name behind i ain't gonna even lie to you yo joke ain't no sense to be lying till you get on here and say oh yeah i'll be no hell nah you could you could vouch for me. I'm good. I'm good for whatever, man. I'm good. You know? You done got better. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Listen, my resume speaks for itself. If you need references when it comes to me, I got many a people you can ask.

You see, that's the thing. Listen, it's about, hold on. It's about 24,000 of them in the chat right now. Now, ask them about me. Ask them about me. I bet you they'll about to ask about me. They need a little bit more intimate knowledge of you.

Oh, they got intimate. They have 13, 14 years of knowledge from following me on Twitter. Listen, I think maybe 40% of the... You just told me Twitter wasn't real. You told me social media wasn't real. That wasn't me. I didn't say that. So that's real.

I didn't say that. So everything we say on Twitter... Wait, wait, wait. Let me tell you what I said. I said some of the people on social media can give you a perception of a life and you can lie about who you are. You can be whoever you want on social media.

How do we know who those people are? How do we know you're not one of those people? Because if people on social media had met me in person, and the way I am on social media is the exact same way I am in person. Nothing changes. How many times do we see- When I see you, I'm going to tell you I love you. Matter of fact, sometimes I curse. I'm going to say I fucking love you. You got to give me a hug and I'm going to act like I've known you for 30 years. Now, Eddie, I'm sure somebody in the chat has met me and I've done this countless times to people and I invade their space.

Because if you're going to bother me, if you're going to bother me, you're going to take the time not to bother me. I'm acting like we've known each other. How about this? Because I want it to be memorable because I might not see you again. How many people thought they knew Tiger Woods?

Well, nobody because Tiger Woods was with the 1%. You saw him at the golf tournament. You saw all this thing. How well do we really know people? When it comes down to it, when we strip everything away and we're not with that person every single day of their life, and even when

you're with that person every day, how well? Because we've seen people. Well, I didn't know he was like that. I didn't know he had that side. He had never shown. She had never shown. So when it comes down to it, Ocho, how well do we really know the people

that we think we know? Well, you know what's funny? Is you never, ever, ever really know. You never know who somebody really is. Two things. Until you tell them no. Until you see them angry. So you thought you knew that

person, then you told them no. Until you tell them no, some of your best friends, and I know people in the chat, I know you can attest to this. You never know who somebody is. I don't care how long you've known them. Until you tell them no, and they forget all the yeses throughout the years. But that one time you tell them no they forget all the yeses throughout the years

but that one time you tell them no oh it's a problem until you and then until you till you see them angry and so your true colors every time and you add a little alcohol add a little alcohol to that oh they'll tell you everything well see that that's that's the thing see but what alcohol does is that it it changes your. It doesn't change your character. You are who you are. You know, it breaks down those inhibitions. Because what you do while you're drunk, you thought about while you were sober. Everything that you say while you're drunk, you thought about while you were sober.

Come on. They don't want that truth. They don't want that truth, don't you. They don't want that truth. They don't want that truth, Ocho. They don't want that truth. Why? That's what it does. Because here's the thing. Ocho, I guarantee you right now,

you and I can go somewhere. We go in the airport, we're in the mall. We sign 1,000 autographs each. The moment we don't sign 1,001, assholes. Shadow Sharper, Chad Johnson, Ocho Seiko didn't sign my autograph.holes shadow sharp and Chad John Ocho Cinco didn't sign my autograph but what about the thousand people that we did sign I

think so that was a good one but that but that was a good one no it doesn't enhance your character your character what it is hmm what it is. It is what it is. A lot of times people say, well, he got drunk and he started a fight at the bar. Right. No, that's in him. That's in him. That's in him.

You are what you are. Yeah. You know, I like that. The you are what you are is throughout life in general. When it came to dating, for instance, I would always ask, I always curiosity about someone's past. Because I want to know, because what it lets me know is, is if you're able to do this to X, Y, and Z. Yeah, for sure. do this to x y and z yeah for sure i'm really i'm really yeah i'm really no different because at some point you know the cycle it repeats itself no matter what so if you do this with x y z so i

have to understand and i have the ability to compartmentalize and manage my expectations no matter how good the times are no matter how good the times are i don't even want to know that history always repeats itself. I don't want to know you at your best. I want to see you at your worst. Because that's when you're going to reveal who you actually are to me. Come on now.

Because see, if you go back and look at the Bible, see, what did the devil tell God? He said, you give Job everything. Look at his family. Look at the livestock that he had. He said, well, if you remove that hedge from around him because you've been protecting him with and what you gave him everything for, if you remove

that, he will curse his very maker. So if I give somebody everything, that doesn't tell me who she or he is. Yeah. Because that's what the devil told god if you remove the head joe because you he said no he won't he said you can do everything you want to him but take his life what happened y'all bible scholars y'all know what happened what did he do and he gave it to him tenfold yeah so when So when somebody tells me, oh, I don't want to know how you are at your best.

I need to see you at your worst. At your worst. Come on, preacher. And you wonder, we just had that conversation again about loyalty. And I told you, and I tell you again, I'm going to say it again for the people in the chat. told you. Now I tell you again, I'm going to say it again for the people in the chat. Everybody is loyal when there's opportunity

and convenience when they meet. Now allow the circumstances to change and let's see how loyal that person is. That's it. Allow the circumstances of convenience and the opportunity that you're presenting.

Allow the change and let's see how loyal that individual is. Alright. I ain't telling you. I ain't telling you. What you be saying? I ain't telling you what I know. I ain't telling you what I heard. I'm telling you what I know.

Hey, I ain't telling you what I heard. I'm telling you what I know. Yeah, and that's fact that's fact everybody I heard a man say the other day he said there's a reason why a sports car he says but as you start to travel

people will start to fall off he say that's why a sports car has two seats and a bus has 50 don't let that go over your head now. Don't let it go now. Don't let it go. Come on now.

Think about it. I remember when I had, man, I had a boat boot cool. Everybody was cool with Shannon as long as everybody was right here. I didn't have no more than anybody else. I got a little bit more. Somebody left. Got a little bit more. Somebody left.

Oh, he think he better. Since when? Because now all of a sudden, I don't think it's cool to do some of the stuff that we were doing. And I say, you know what? I want to get my grandmother and my family out of this environment. Now I think I'm better. Yeah. Oh, in other words, you always felt like this.

This ain't new. You've been felt like this. You just needed for a reason for it to come out. And so now that all of a sudden, I'm a little better than you in sports. I'm about to get a scholarship. I don't do all the other stuff that y'all doing. Now, y'all gonna try to flip it

on me. My high school basketball team tried to vote me off the team. Not for something that I did. They did a story on me in the Savannah Morning News. And if y'all don't believe the story, y'all go look it up. They did a story on me. My coach says,

I stress the team concept. But if we're a car, Shannon is the motor. They had a meeting and tried to vote me off the team. Even my best friend was in on it. And coach said no. He didn't say anything. I said it. So why y'all

mad at him? You see, as long as we would get the same the shine everything was cool oh the team blah blah blah boom boom boom boom

but the moment the coach said I stressed the team concept but Shannon's the engine they voted voted and called me and get what they say

but they can't they can't they can't call you if they trying to vote y'all. Yeah, we voted you off the team. How y'all gonna vote me for what? For what he said? Damn. Hey, you was the best player, huh?

Was I? I'm the best player ever come out of Glenville. Ooh, come on, talk now. We ain't even close. Ooh, what? When? what when talk man man they better stop they knew it i mean god god gave me physical gifts that i didn't take as as serious uh uh because i was so much better than everybody else right Once I got to college, I took it serious. But yes, I was the best on the team.

Absolutely. But it wasn't nothing. I didn't do anything wrong, Ocho. I was cool. You know, I was cool with it. I know. But as soon as that light got a little bright on Shannon. Yeah.

Man, I said, but that was the time that I realized that, you know what? I ain't going to have a whole lot of friends because you got to realize that a small town, hell, y'all in the same home room, damn near from K through 12. All the way, yeah. Yeah, I mean, hell, we only had 353 students in our school, high school. My graduating class was 60. Hell, I knew damn near everybody from K from five years old all the way to 18. I knew damn near everybody from K from 5 years old all the way to 18 I knew damn near everybody

so we done played in the sandbox together the swings we done played you know and now this I said oh man y'all full of happen every time it's all good I came in by myself

I ain't no twin I ain't no triplet. Same. That's why my circle's so small. It's always been that way. Always been that way. I don't know what they're thinking. We ain't going to be your friends no more.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Ocho, after today, the 2022 Texas Browns Deshaun Watson trade is complete. The Browns received Deshaun Watson, 2024 sixth round pick, included in the Jerry Judy trade. The Texas received first round pick that became Kenyon Green.

Fourth round pick became Damian Pierce. 2023 first round pick that became Kenyon Green. Fourth round pick became Damian Pierce. 2023 first round pick became Will Anderson Jr., Defensive Rookie of the Year. Excuse me. 2023 third round pick that became Tank Dale. The 2024 first round pick, they traded back with Minnesota. And they took the second round pick pick Kamir Lassiter. Kamiri?

Kamari. Kamari Lassiter. And 2024 sixth round pick Jamal Hill. 2024 fourth round pick became Caden Bullock. Houston made that pretty good. Very.

Especially, especially with Will Anderson and Tank Dale. Tank Dale special. Very. Especially, especially with Will Anderson and Tank Dale. Tank Dale special. Yeah. Remember Damian Pierce was running that thing until the ankle got hurt.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was running. Damian was running that thing. Yeah, he was. Yeah, he was. But Tank, but Will Anderson and Tank, I'm talking about special.

Special. Yeah. Ooh, they got a rost over there, boy. I'm talking about offensively. With the addition of Diggs, Tank Daly be back. Tank was killing before he got hurt.

You got to keep them feet moving around the power. He going to know now. Keep them feet moving. And Nico. And Dalton Schultz. Yep. Man. The Dallas Cowboys have yet to feel their running back need, but the return of Ezekiel Elliott looks more and more likely.

Jerry Jones asked Friday whether or not drafting a running back during the first three rounds was more about the draft as following or the Cowboys' comfort level with what they have on the roster. First of all, the draft's not over. That's the thought. and it's a long time before a running back was taken off today's draft. But we're also keenly interested

in seeing what the future might look like for Zeke. Jones said he still believes Zeke can be a starting level running back. You like it? Yeah. I thought, look, clearly Zeke wasn't giving you 15 million dollars worth of production but what he could do is that around the goal line he could pull his way into the end zone on third and fourth and short he could keep your offense on the field so there was value. Zeke always had value. But not $15 million worth of it.

Right, right, right. He's a leader. The guys like playing with him. Guys like blocking for him. So I would like to see him. I'd like to see him come back. Yeah, I would too. Listen, he was beloved also, not just by his teammates the community the fans

obviously I think they were they were they were sad to see him go and he had that he had to go obviously you know how the nature of the Venice is very cutthroat it's very cutthroat not one to pay obviously so now you come back on what I like to call the hometown discount because they're not gonna give you you know what what they feel you're worth but not going to give you what they feel you're worth, but they're going to give you what they think you deserve. What you will accept. Yeah, that too, what you will accept.

But listen, it's very difficult right now, especially we understand how teams are doing the quarterback position and it's not as valued as it once was, being that now the game

has changed tremendously where everything is all about putting the ball in the air. And plus, and plus, Ocho, the thing is that Dallas, you know, Dallas selling point is like, you know, there's no state taxes here. So you factor that in on $100 million contract. And so you're going to keep at least 10%. So that's at least $10 million in your pocket. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So, Ocho, passenger on board the Spirit Airline flight from Atlanta to Newark were horrified to see a liquid spilling out of a plane laboratory. I saw that. So I'm trying to see. This is what people... This is how things get misconstrued.

They talk about liquid. Unless that's coffee. Listen, that ain't coffee. What that is, is somebody, somebody in the bathroom took toilet paper and flushed it down the toilet when it clearly says

do not flush any items and they cause it to overflow. And they cause it to overflow. And they cause it to overflow. Whoa, what's your damn? That ain't nothing but water and whoever posted that video trying to act like oh, it's a liquid, the toilet over flooded. It happens at everybody

house when you have somebody over and they put too much tissue in your shit and they clog everything up. Nah, you ain't coming to, hey, you ain't using the bathroom in my house. Go to the gas station. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Come on now, come on Nah, don't, you ain't coming to, hey, you ain't using the bathroom in my house. Go to the gas station. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Come on now, come on.

You don't let people use, do number two in your house? Nah, I know about it. Hunk, you can't do that. What you come to my house for to go to the bathroom? You should have left to use the bathroom before you left home. Hunk, that's a part of,

that's a part of human nature. And you ain't eat at the I.A. You don't, you don't know. human nature. You don't know. That's why I don't feed people at my house. Hunk, you can't do that. You can't do that. You can't. Go buy some cookies at the convenience store.

I wonder how the chat feel about that. If people come over to your house, do y'all have a problem with people coming to your house and doing number two? Oh, yeah. If people come over to your house, do y'all have a problem with people coming to your house and doing number two?

Because, well, I mean... At my place, I have air freshener. I got baby wipes. Yeah, I got all that too. That's for me, though. Nah, that's for the people that are visiting your place.

Ain't nobody coming over but Ash and Jordan. Okay, well, Ash and Jordan might have to do number two. You need air freshener. You need baby wipes. You need, make sure you have heated toilet seats. What about the guest house? I didn't go to the guest house.

Why would they be in the guest house? You got a guest house? I do. Well, you got different kind of money over there, boy. I ain't playing with that. I got a guest house. Oh, God. I'm about to get up off it. I'm about to get up off it. Okay. Well you got Well you got different Kind of money over there Boy I gotta guess Our guy Nah I'm about to get up off it

I'm about to get up off it Okay Okay Ocho Yo It's back Who? The favorite segment

Spello Cinco Oh hold on I gotta change my hat Hold on there I gotta change my hat. Hold on there. I got to change my hat. I got to change my hat. Okay, Ocho. The first word.

Hold on. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let me mentally get ready now. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. Let me mentally chat. Put your hands together, Ocho. Get your hands. Yeah. Yeah. Let me mentally chat. Put your hands together. Yeah. Yeah. Let me mentally get ready. Let me get ready. Ay-ya, ay-ya, ay-ya, ay-ya.

Zzzz. Chat, y'all get ready. Chat, this is for y'all. This is for y'all. I'm telling you. This is for y'all. Get your jaw muscles loose. Ay-ya, ay-ya, ay-ya, ay-ya.

All right. What? Another next... Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Another next...

Okay. Okay. Let's go. Aardvark. Aardvark. Aardvark. People also call it an anteater. Aardvark. A-R- an anteater. Aardvark.

A-R-V-A-R-K. A-Aardvark. A-R-V-A-R-K. It's A-A-R-D-V-A-R-K. Aardvark. So I spelled it right? No, you didn't. It's A-A.

Oh, I didn't add the extra A. No, you didn't. Oh, come on. Man, you really going to. Come on, man. Yeah, that's kind of how spelling works. You know you got to spell it correctly. But I just didn't add the extra A. I forgot it was two A's in the R-VARC, but I spelled it right.

That's kind of how people misspell words. They kind of forget that it's, you know, something goes in there or something should have been taken. Can I get like a half a point? Like a little asterisk by that one? No, but I'll tell you what I will do. I'll give you this other easy word that you can get. Easy? A-r-vark is not easy because if it was easy, I would have said

two A's. And I know nobody in the chat knew that either. Just because you didn't say that doesn't mean it's not easy. How about this Ocho? Okay. Accommodation. Accommodation. Accommodation. Yes. A C C O M O D A T I O N.

Come on now. Don't play. A C C O M M O D A T I O N accommodations. Two C's two N's. That's what I just said. No, you didn't. I'm looking at it. I said, nope, you didn't. I'm looking at it right now. I said. Nope, you didn't. You want to put it to the chat?

Ask the chat. Chat. Did Ocho spell accommodations correctly? A-C-C O-M-M O-D-A-T-I-O-N Accommodations. They said,

sorry, Ocho. No. Oh, I only said one M. Yes. It's two M's. All right. Okay. See, here we go.

I'm spelling the words right. I'm just leaving out one letter. But here we go. Ocho. You treat me like, you treat me like, you know what? I ain't going to say,

I ain't going to, that's two words I didn't got right, but I left out one little letter. I left out one little letter, but you're throwing me these tricky words where you know some of the letters are doubled. All right, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. I see, I see you doing me like that because I'm black. You're doing me like that because I'm black. So now I'm 0 for 2. I'm 0 for 2 on stuff I really spell right,

but I just happen to leave out a letter because these are words that I haven't had to use in Lord knows how long. Well, how about this one, don't you? It's the word the magician used. It's called abracadabra. So you're going to go... Oh, you gonna go. See, come on, man. Ain't nobody in the check. How you say it?

Abracadabra. Wait, how you say it? Abracadabra. Abracadabra. Can I just take a shot at it? Go ahead. Based on the way it sounds when I sound it out? Yes. Now, if I get this wrong, this ain't really on me. Chat, stay with me real quick, Nat.

Abra A-B-R-A Kadabra C-A D-A-B-R-A that's correct but we already know people people in the chat they're asking but we already know people

Ocho people in the chat they're asking they say well how do you get abracadabra but not accommodation well I got

I got accommodation right I just left the M out well clearly how about this Ocho how about this one abstinence abstinence. Abstinence.

To refrain. Abstinence. Abstinence, like when you're not present in school? No, that's absent. Wait, absent, abstinence is the same? No. Abstinence.

Oh! Oh! I was... Dog. I got this word. You know why? Because I was abstinent from 2007 to 2009. So I had to hear you say it.

Wait a minute. I was had to hear you say it. Wait a minute. I was going to therapy. Abstinence. And this is how I know how to spell it. I know I'm going to get this right because I ain't got no hoo-ha for like three years. Okay, well close your eyes and spell it.

Close your eyes. Abstinence. Close your eyes. Close your eyes. Put your hands together. Yeah, there you go. Close your eyes. Right there.

There you go. Nah! As a matter of fact, put that cap. Put the cap over your eyes. Nah! Put the cap over your eyes, close your eyes, put your hands together Yeah, there you go, close your eyes, right there, there you go Nah, as a matter of fact, put your hand, put that cap, put the cap over your eyes Nah, uh-uh, put the cap over your eyes There you go, go ahead Abstinence A-B-S-T-I-N-E-N-C-E Spell it, Spell it again. Abstinence.

Yes. A-B. Yes. S-T-I. Yes. N-E-N. Yes. C-E.

Correct. Stop playing with me, boy. Stop playing with me, boy. I went to therapy for this. I went to therapy for this. Yeah. Stop playing with me. boy. Stop playing with me, boy. I went to therapy for this. I went to therapy for this. Yeah. Stop playing with me. This is what I do.

This is what I do. Spelling Bee Champ, 1987. Straight out of Liberty City. Alapata, 40 boy. Yeah. Been spelling. Been spelling big words. Matter of fact, give me a big one.

I ain't even... You know what? I feel like Keon Coleman right now. I'm talking shit. Absent. What? Absent. You got to use it in the word.

You got to use it in a sentence. It's the type of alcohol, it's an alcohol that gets you drunk. I don't even drink. So how am I know about spelling the word when I don't even indulge in alcoholic behavior?

Okay, how about this here? We're going to give you a bonus one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give me a bonus one. Achilles. Achilles. Yes. Like the movie Troy.

Achilles. Yes. Arrow to the back of the Achilles. Yes. Like the movie Troy. Achilles. Yes. Arrow to the back of the Achilles. Yes. Kirk Cousins to the back of the Achilles. Yes. H, I mean, talk about H, my bad. Achilles.

A-C-H-I-L-L-I-E-S. Eh. What? A-C-H-I-L-L-E-S. Achilles. Oh, I threw an I in there for no reason. You sure did. But the I is silent.

Ain't silent. It ain't in there. Damn. That was a good one. That was a good one that was a good one yeah I did I don't care what y'all say I did good

I did good you got two you got two you got two you got two you got two I got the first two too I just left out

no you didn't get that you didn't get R-Bar you didn't get accommodation you got abs I left out A and I left out M I still spelled I still spelled them right

okay Ocho now it's your turn to pay me back. Yeah. It's time to dunk on Unk. And that's exactly what it's going to be. It's going to be a dunk. Chat, I guarantee you. Why you...

Why you be trying to dunk on me so bad? Because you be... The chat, no. You've been cheating me, man, on this dunk on hunk stuff, man How about you you want you don't worry about it. We go we gonna we gonna see tonight. Okay, we gonna see tonight chat Stay with me now. We got this chat. This is just me y'all Let me know you're ready I'm ready

First question What player holds the record for most assists in a quarter? Most assists in a quarter? Yeah, we talking basketball, baby. You know you got that database, right?

Most assists in a quarter. A quarter. Mm-hmm. Oh, my goodness. Mm-hmm. a quarter I don't like the way you're looking up because the answer might be on the ceiling ain't no sponsor on the ceiling and a quarter don't look to your left

because Ash sitting over there. Man, I'm in Atlanta. Oh, my bad, my bad, my bad. I will go one or two. I'm going to say... Nah, nah, you ain't no one or two. It's just one. It's one answer.

Yeah, I got two answers, but I'm going with... I'm going to say Rondo. Rayjean Rondo. You know what? You know what? It's wrong. Go ahead.

As long as you know it's wrong. With the Scott Scouts? No, it ain't. It ain't. It ain't. Now you're wrong twice. Who is it? Before you... It's Steve Blake. 14 you're wrong twice. Who is it?

It's Steve Blake. 14 assists in one quarter. Wow. Steve Blake. No, I never got that one. Yeah, yeah. You ain't going to get none of them, honestly. Here we go.

Chat, we on his head. Chat, we got him. Question number two. What item was Caron Butler Butler who now coaches for the Heat if I'm not mistaken for if I'm not mistaken yes what item was Caron Butler banned from chewing on the bench in 20 what year is that

in 2010 strong okay okay boom boom that computer it takes some time. It's a little late. That ain't got nothing to do with no computer.

Hey, you know what I'm about to do, Ocho? Everybody knew about that one. I'm going to plug this high speed. Well, put it in. Put it in. Go ahead, Ocho. You don't even understand what I did. I gave you a tough one just to get your confidence back with the second question,

just to bring you back down to earth on the third one. Okay. Okay. So here we go. Four NBA players have made $600-plus million in their life. Four NBA players have made $600-plus million in their life. Name the four. You're talking about off the court, right?

In their life. Off court, on court. Because you can't make $600 million on the court alone. So it has to all coincide. Man, it's a bunch of them. Okay. Michael Jordan. Whoa, whoa's a bunch of them. Okay. Michael Jordan. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Be careful. Be careful. Because when you start naming, you only got four. Okay, I'm saying. Michael Jordan. No, that's one. You said, hold on. That's made 600.

I said four. 600 million plus. Now, you talk about it's a lot of them. It ain't no whole lot of them that's made 600 million plus. Let me finish. Can I finish? Yeah. Chat, we got him, Chat. He ain't gonna get this one. It's more than four.

No, it ain't. First of all, Magic, Jordan, and LeBron are billionaires. Okay, that's three. I said $ 600 million plus. You said about a bunch of them. No, it ain't. Chat, don't cheat.

Chat, don't type it in the chat. 600 million plus combined. Yep. I think it's five, but I'm going to say... It can't be that easy. Don't look at that chat. Don't look at that chat. It can't be that easy. Chat, man, y'all better not say that.

I ain't looking at the chat. I ain't looking at the chat. It's one or two. But it can't be that easy. It can't be. I'm going to say Junior Bridgman. Man, hell no, man. Nah, that was the chat. The chat gave me the answer, man.

God, don't do me like this. Chat gave me the answer, man. Don't do me like this. Nah, chat gave me the answer. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Nah, nah, hell no. Junior. Nah, you got that right, but you got an asterisk about that one.

Ocho, I know you. Ocho, you do realize Ocho and your bridge have been playing for the Bucs. You do realize that, right? He wore number two. Yeah, he played with them. Yeah. Sidney Moncrief. You know, Bob McAdoo.

They was all on that team. You didn't know that? When Nelly coached Costa in the 80s nah man yeah outlisted yeah nah come on Ocho

hey you you cheated me you cheated me on something okay come on here we go here we go next one

next one next one let me lock in let me lock in you ready who was the first foreign basketball player ever drafted first the first foreign basketball player ever drafted first overall? First foreign

basketball player drafted first overall. Foreign born? Foreign in general. So obviously they're not from here. They got to be foreign. If they were born somewhere else, they got to be foreign. I'm going to say 84, Akeem Olajuwon. That is also absolutely wrong. Who was it? The first foreign basketball player ever drafted, number one overall, was Michael Thompson, who was Clay Thompson's dad. Yeah. Something wrong with that database. I don't know what's wrong with it.

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What do you mean what year he was drafted in? Okay, hold on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What year was Caitlyn Jenner drafted in the NBA? Woo! Yeah, I know, I know, I know.

I know how you feel. I know how you feel. You make me nervous looking around now. You make me nervous. I don't know. Look, he won the gold medal in 76 in the Montreal Olympics. So I'm going to say 77, 78, 77.

I don't know. Which one? 78? I'm going 77. I don't know. Okay. Drafted by who? No, that's not what you said.

You said the year. Well, he was drafted in the NBA what year by what NBA team? No, that's not what you said. That's not what you said. You said what year. what NBA team? No, that's not what you said. That's not what you said. You said what year. Am I correct? You don't want to say that. I'm asking for the team.

What's the answer? Is 77 the answer, Ocho? No, you're not listening. You need to complete the answer. Complete the answer. Chat, chat. Did he say? No, the chat had nothing to do with this.

You said what year. You said what year. Chat, chat. Did he say no? Chat had nothing to do with this. I asked you what year. You said what year. No, I said what year. I told you the year. You didn't say the team. You did not say the team. Now, is 77 the correct answer? Yes or no?

I need the team. I need the team for the complete answer. Y'all can't get with the computer. No. I told you what I was going to say. I need the team. Group of hot feet. I need the team.

Telling me the year without the team name, that makes no sense. You didn't ask me the team. Well, obviously you would want to give the team they were drafted to. No, no, no. When you asked me who was the first foreign-born player, you didn't say, and tell me the team he was drafted to. You say, which one? You said what year was, at the time he was Bruce Jenner,

Caitlyn Jenner, drafted into the NBA. I said 77. Clearly, that's correct. I said into the NBA. So, obviously, I need the team they were drafted to. No, you don't. That's not what you said. You know what? You get 50%.

You get 50%. Chat, no. Chat, way in. Am I right or wrong? Who's right on this one? If I ask you what year someone was drafted into the NBA, I need the team they were drafted to. That's what you're saying. You only asked the year.

Listen, I need a team. So that you get an A. No, I'm free for four. I'm free for five. I'm free for five. I'm telling you. I done caught you. Nah.

Nah. You cheating. Somebody in the chat said, hey, you need to change your hat. They spelled it wrong. I mean, it's supposed to be a champion with an A. That's the point. Ocho, I was so, Ocho,

I told you about the 76 Olympics. I told you what Olympics were held in Montreal. I said it had to be. Come on, Ocho, don't do me like that. But what I needed was the team that they were drafted to. Anybody can guess because if, it's so obvious.

If the Olympics were in 76, obviously you're going to say 77. That's what I did. Wait a minute. To complete the answer, I would need to know what team they were drafted to. No, you wouldn't. You should have asked. I did. I said NBA.

You said, in what year did Caitlyn Jenner get drafted to the NBA? That's what you said. You didn't say the team. Oh my God. In the NBA, I would still need the team. No, you wouldn't. No.

I got it. No, actually. We're going to put this to the chat. Did Shannon get the question right? It's a really simple yes or no. Actually, actually, actually, you... Hey, we're going to put this to the chat, okay? Hey, back to the chat. Did Shannon get the question right? It's a really simple yes or no. No. No.

And if the chat is not on my side after you cheat me all these times with these spelling words... I didn't cheat you. Go on, give me my bonus question. Go on and give me my bonus question. I don't even have a bonus question. Okay. Matter of fact, I'll give you one. Nope, it's three for five. Hold on. Hold on. No, no, no, no. I got a bonus question for you don't even have a bonus question. Okay. I'll give you one.

Hold on. Hold on. I got a bonus question for you. You ready? Yeah. Yeah. Don't get scared. You ain't got no bonus question. I got one right now. I'm ready. I ain't let you make up nothing. You scared. You scared. Three for five. I won again. Hold on, Ocho. We got a picture. We put the picture up.

Who is that? Who is that? Who is that? Who is that? Who look like Ocho? That's you? Yeah, yeah. Dad, see that?

Yeah, okay. Boy, you ripped up, man. When your boy say he was hell when he was well. Yeah, you was hell when you was well, huh? Yeah, you better. Boy, I was fatter than frog here. Boy, y'all better stop playing with him. Y'all better stop playing with him.

Now, see, I was nephew back then. But on up, hey, y'all better stop it. Y'all better stop it. Hey, what year was that? What's that, 83? That was 83? That was the 96 Pro Bowl. Okay, that's a long time ago.

You don't look nothing like that no more. That was, hold on, 96? Nigga, why don't you like to make me cuss up here? That's 30 years ago. But you see, that's what 230 looked like. Anybody can have abs at 180, 190 like you. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I ain't never been 190.

I know, 185. I ain't never been 185. I played my career. I was 6'3", 210. I'm not sure where you got that from. Hey, I don't want to tell about what kind of shorts I had on, but you know, your boy, I'm feeling pretty. Yeah. Your boy, I was all want to tell about what kind of shorts I had on, but you know, you boy feel free. Yeah.

You boy was on, I was on one on, Joe. See, look at my, look at my, look at my chain. They done got my chain. They stole my chain. How they stole your chain at the Pro Bowl? They still at the Pro Bowl. They stole it when they stole my, ish, last year. Oh, so you still had your chain from way back then?

Damn, that's crazy. My brother gave me that chain. Damn. That's messed up. But you see your boy tore up? Oh, Joe, you see your boy tore up? Yeah, yeah. I mean, you weren't ripped up like me, but you...

Tore up like a Trump tax return. Shredded. Look at that waist. Look at the waist. You see what a 32-inch waist look like on a 230-pound man? Waist disappeared like a Clinton email. It was gone. Okay.

Gone. Okay. I would. I would. Like three weeks before, I got in a fight with a sword. I lost cuts everywhere. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? I lost it, Ocho. I had it there for a second.

Cuts everywhere. Hey, man. You saw a picture of me last show, right? You notice how I had 10 abs showing clear as day? 10. 10. Ocho, you 190. 10.

How about you, Ocho? I'm just telling you. Right now? I can't let y'all see no more. Because you look at your boy. Your boy was hard. Alright. Pause. Like the times of 29. You know what happened in October 29, don't you, Ocho?

October 29 don't you October 29 what October 1929 it happened on a Monday I don't remember stock market crash that's when it got to turn boom hey Ojo

you better stop with me ah hell no harder than prom would you know what I'm saying Ojo, you better start with me. Hell, dog. Harder than prom would. You know what I'm saying, Ojo? You went to the prom? Hey, Ojo, I'm just saying, Ojo. That's all I'm saying.

That's all I'm saying. When I go to the crib, they call you, hey, Orange. I turn around. Yeah. I'm peeled. They already know it. OK. They used to call you Orange, huh? Yeah, yeah. I was peeled, Ojo. I like that. I like that. I like that. Yeah. I'm peeled. They already know it. Okay. At least they call you orange.

Yeah, yeah. I'm peeled, okay. I like that. I like that. Yeah. Let's see the results. Let's see the results. Let's see the results

of the question. Did Shannon get it right? We got 23, 2,300 votes. Did I get it right? I can't see. I can't see it. We're going to see it. Put it can't see. I can't see it. We're going to see it.

Put it up on the screen so he can see. Come on, Chad. I hope y'all ain't letting me down now. Come on, Chad. 83. I'm trying to figure out who the 17% is. Deshanna get the question right. 83% says yes. 17% says no. You know what? You know what?

You see the 80? You know what? That might not be real. I'm not agreeing with that. Ocho, I'm just trying to figure out. You asked me, what year did Caitlyn Jenner get drafted into the NBA? Once I said 77,

you said, now tell me the team. Yeah, well, wouldn't you want to complete the full answer? People, don't you think... Let me ask you a question. Don't you think the chat wanted to hear what team Caitlyn Jenner was drafted to? Because I'm sure they had no idea. Hell,

I ain't even have no idea. So I'm sure they wanted to know. You didn't know what to call him. Oh, man, man. Something ain't right. You've been cheating, man. How am I cheating? Ojo, how am I cheating?

I don't know. You be looking around and like you got, you made me cover my eyes and all that. You be looking around and like you got, you made me cover my eyes and all that. You be looking at this. Ojo, that computer. You hit me with the Marlon Brando. You know, Marlon Brando used to be doing scenes. They used to have the cue cards stuck up,

stuck up on the wall all around. They still do. For real? So you can remember his lines. Oh, nah, man. Something ain't right, man. Something ain't right, man. Something ain't right. It's cool.

But I left out one letter. I spelled the words right. I left out one letter. And, oh, it is wrong. It's wrong. It's wrong. Hey, you forgot to tell me the team that she was drafted to. I mean, he, I mean, what do I say?

I don't want to be disrespectful. Is it he or she? Nah, don't start me to lie. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how they refer to it, so I prefer to just, I don't say anything. Right, okay, okay, okay. I mean, whatever

they identify as, I just want to I mean, I don't know. I want to be respectful, that's all. Yeah. That's why I don't say anything. I don't know. I want to be respectful. That's all. Yeah. That's why, hey, that's why I don't say anything. I don't know. I don't, I don't, I've never asked anybody

how they'd like to be referred to. I just call them their name and I just keep it moving. That way, I don't run into any problems, Ocho. Ocho, it's time for our last segment of the night. And you know it's our fan favorite.

Q and A. Hold on, I got to use the bathroom real quick. Go ahead. Bathroom right in here. Yeah, man. Man, Ocho tried to cheat. I want to know that 17%. I want to know the 17% that thought Ocho could tag on, okay,

and what team was he drafted to that I didn't complete the answer. He asked a very specific question. What year did Caitlyn Jenner get drafted into the NBA? That's what he asked. I said, well, he won the 76 Olympics in Montreal. I'm assuming

77. Okay, what team? Then he added on, what team did he get drafted to somebody talking about look yeah he said Caitlin so I

I regurgitated what he said he said that so I said Caitlin obviously may Ocho be trying to cheat nah man Ocho I got three out of five Ocho be trying to cheat Nah, man Ocho, I got three out of five, Ocho

After going five for five You should feel good After going five for five Two nights in a row To stop me to miss two You going five for five Because you are cheating And finding loopholes in the system

How? That's it I'm just Looking at the chat, sometimes the chat and not knowing and they just, they blurting out the answer write it out and you just, you'll peek at the chat and look away and pretend like

you don't know what's going on and then say it. Ojo, I promise you when it comes to the sports stuff, Ojo, this trivia, I told you I put I plugged it into the wall and went on super high speed. All right. All right, I got you.

All right. Dre Phillips said, oh, that Laporte, did you put that blue diamond in there? Vertical activity, horizontal, acute isolates, worth it all. Worth the wait. Nah, bro.

Hey, you know, that's just a lot of love, tender care. You know, the right mixture. We got that thing. Dre, appreciate the support. Glad you were able to receive it, bro. All right. Scott Allen said, hey, Unc and Ocho, can I get a shout out for my brother Roddy?

Huge Nightcap fan. Ocho, are you and Ocho are his favorite? Ocho is his favorite wide receiver. Question for both. If you had to start your defense with one, J.J. Watt, D-Wear, Dwight Freedy,

who you picking? Happy birthday, Ronnie. Your brother, big brother Scott. I don't know if he's big brother or little brother. He wanted to wish you a happy birthday. Thank you for supporting us, Ronnie. Watching Nightcap. Question.

If you had to start a defense, who you start with, or D where or Dwight Freeney I mean I like Dwight Freeney the greatest spin move off the greatest spin move the greatest

combo of moves he had a bag you know how Kyrie has a bag yeah off the edge Dwight Fre, he had a bag. You know how Kyrie has a bag? Yeah. Off the edge, Dwight Freeney had a bag of special moves with his best one being that spin. Yeah, that spin cycle. Yeah, he'll pull you inside. As soon as you lean, spin right up out of there. He can do it the opposite way.

He'll lean you out and spin right back inside. Obviously, nothing against T.J. Watt. Great player. J.J. Watt, great player. But just for me, preference for this specific question, regardless of stats, I ain't trying to hear

all that. I like Dwight Freeman. I think I would say J.J. Because there was a stretch there. Oh, yeah. He was on. Yeah, he was on that. He was on that LT Reggie type.

Yeah, yeah. Where it wasn't even close who the best defensive player was. Right. It wasn't nobody else was even in the discussion. Yes, sir. So all these great players

did well, helped my Broncos win another Super Bowl. Dwight Freeney played against him. You're right, Ocho. The best spin move ever. Sap, Scott, or Scott Sapp? But anyway, Hunkin85, love the show. It's my first time catching y'all live.

Recently lost my grandmother last year. I know you and Ocho were close with y'all. What's something that has stuck with you all from time to time? Everything? Yeah. Go ahead, Ocho. For me, the one thing that stuck with me, financial discipline. It's never left.

That's where it all started. That is where it all started. Now, there's some other areas that she has tried to instill in me me and those are coming along slower than others, as opposed to that. But when it came to that financial discipline

and most people calling me cheap or some calling me frugal, that stuck from way back then. And I think to me, I think that's my best trait, my best asset. I think how you treat people even if somebody did my grandmother wrong she never held it against them she never brought it up she just always treats you let's always tell me say boy treat people you'll never know who

you'll ask to hand you your last glass of water and so I always remember that I always try to, I always tried to treat people nice because you never know if you'll need that person again but that's not a reason to treat someone that should just be common decency hey how you doing or I mean I don't really have a reason to be

a jerk to someone especially just coming in contact with them hey how you doing yeah I'm fine how are you great day yeah it is awesome day enjoy the rest of your day enjoy the rest of your evening good morning how you doing yeah right i'm just that's just me i mean some people are over complicated and make it more than what it is i'm i'm very simplistic in that treat people nice i treat people how i would want to be treated because i don't oh i wasn't i mean we weren't always ex-professional athletes we weren't always celebrities i always think if the shoe was on the other foot even if i don't sign, how you doing?

How was your day? I'm in a hurry. I got to go catch this flight, but I'm sorry. Next time. Yeah. I just think there's a way that you can talk and treat people regardless. And I'm a firm believer.

I'll never believe because of my status that I'm better than you, but I absolutely believe I can do my job better than you can do yours. Hmm. I like that. Faye said, hey, Shannon Ocho, does the NFL have mentorship program to help the new players transition post-draft? Are players referred to money managers, mental health services, housing,

et cetera? If not, would you or Ocho consider mentoring new players? No. They have a rookie symposium. They have new players? No. They have a rookie symposium. They have everything. They do. They have a rookie symposium. They have resources to everything. They do.

They have a rookie symposium. They have mental health providers that's on staff that you can go talk to. Yeah. They got psychiatrists on staff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything. Look, I would have thought by now the NFL would have reached out considering that, you know, being a seventh-round draft pick, Ocho,

starting out on special teams, working my way up, having the success that I had as a team, and then, you know, getting a gold jacket. I thought at some point in time here, it's 20 years I've been retired, that they would ask me to speak to the rookie at the symposium. That never happened. So now I'm good.

Guys, if guys want to reach out to me personally, I ain't got no problem. None whatsoever. Now, that's what most of them do right there, what you just said. They reach out personally just based on what they know and what they've seen in the past

and how I've always moved. So little small tidbits here and there. And most of the time with me, they ask about how to deal with the mothers of their kids. That's more so. It's not even the financial stuff. It's, man, how the hell would you ever be able to navigate without doing things the traditional way? And God damn, you make it work. You make it look so easy.

And I, listen, I say, I tell them all the same thing. Boy, listen, you got to make right. You got to make right

with that individual you have a child from because they will make your life a living hell. Yeah. I, normally guys, when they reach out,

I was like, you want me to lie to you? You want me to tell you the truth? Like, no, I don't tell me the truth I said okay right because sometimes you know people don't really want to hear the truth they don't want to hear resemblance of the truth hmm

B Bird 69 love the show Okinocho best podcast out they're not even close can y'all give my wife Danielle Lee Birdie happy birthday shout out been together since 95

Danielle happy birthday and congratulations you guys been together almost 30 years wow that's a long time bro

congratulations that's what I'm talking about that's a lot of times of falling in love over again yeah lot's a lot of times of falling in love over again. Yeah. A lot of times. A lot of times.

Congratulations. Happy birthday, Danielle. All right, guys. Thank you for tuning in. I'm saying something I didn't think I'd say. The Lakers beat the Nuggets. After 11 consecutive losses, seven of those coming in the playoffs, the Lakers, 119-108, snap 11 game losing streak against the Nuggets.

LeBron, 30 points on 14-23. Anthony Davis, what a monster night. 25 points, 23 rebounds, six assists. D'Lo, 21 points. Austin Reeves, 21 points. To negate the incredible game by Nikola Jokic. 33 points, 14 rebounds, 14 assists, but the Lakers win, fourth of game five. They're heading back to Denver on Monday.

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