Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: CeeDee clears the air, Jayden Daniels comparisons, Coach Prime pissed

Episode Date: October 11, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson dive into Dallas Cowboys WR CeeDee Lamb clearing the air over his rumored beef with QB Dak Prescott. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Washington Commanders r...ookie QB Jayden Daniels being compared to Baltimore Ravens QB Lamar Jackson, Deion “Coach Prime” Sanders not being a fan of Colorado's late kickoff Saturday night and much more!03:18 - Dak and Ceedee08:00 - Marshawn Lynch on Mayor10:00 - Jayden Daniels16:37 - Hassan Riddick dropped by CAA24:00 - Carrie Underwood26:34 - Quin Ewers27:20 - Prime not a fan of late kick off29:15 - Mike Tyson vs Jake Paul35:00 - Q and Aye(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:28 The moment occurred shortly after press got through an interception while attempting to connect with slam in the end zone. Today, CD was asked by reporters about what the words were shared between him and his quarterback, and he actually said, jump ball for jump balls. I got you. And he actually said jump ball for jump balls. I got you. Yeah, I mean, I'm not I'm not a lip reader,
Starting point is 00:02:56 but I get at that time, I was able to take a guess at what he was saying. Because at that point, if he did throw a jump ball, I know who was coming down with that. Right. I know exactly what's coming down with that. Right. I know exactly who was coming down with that. C.D. Lamb when it come to 50-50 balls. Deandre Hopkins 50-50 balls. Goddamn T. Higgins 50-50 balls. Man, I don't know what them boys vert is, but the boys jump out the gym. They jump out the gym. So I understood exactly what CD meant, but obviously in game when it's moving fast and Dak just trying to get the ball out of his hands, it's different.
Starting point is 00:03:31 Right. It's different. Right. That wasn't even a jump ball. I can see if he made a jump ball. I don't know if he was trying to throw a jump ball or a back shoulder. And, and, and cause CD was like, I'm like, CD was,
Starting point is 00:03:43 that was gonna be no jump ball there, Ocho. You don't think so? No, he hit the guy right in the chest. I mean, you gotta make the guy, if it's a jump ball, you gotta make the guy jump though, right? Yeah, that's what I meant. That's what I meant. That's what he wanted.
Starting point is 00:03:57 He wanted it to be up there so he can, you know, go get that thing. Right. But look, in exchange like that, you know, sometimes people say things in the heat of the battle, like, come on, bro. Hey, give me a better ball. Hey, CD, just come out. You ever got into it with John?
Starting point is 00:04:16 No, no, that ain't gonna happen. I told you my one incident, my little one incident with Carson. I mean, we had we had one. It was one. Man, we was playing. I mean, we had, we had one, it was one. Man, we was playing. I think we were playing the Steelers, I never forget. Well, I was like, he threw a ball and I wasn't getting as many targets as I'd like. So I finally got one and it was a little awful.
Starting point is 00:04:38 I couldn't get to it. And I told you, man, I pulled that goddamn, I pulled that goddamn chest strap and walk back to the house. But then it cars and said, motherfucker, if you ever show me up like that on national television, I never thought your fucking ass a ball again. I said, I got you because it was Monday night or Thursday night. Mm hmm.
Starting point is 00:05:00 I know the camera like never, never, never do that. You can't. That was one issue issue, one time, that was it. I don't know if you noticed, you won't see them guys do a Brady and Manning like that. Them quarterback, you ain't do Marino and Montana, and they'll, what? Yeah, nah. Man, please.
Starting point is 00:05:22 They got too much control. You think you not getting no balls Try going try going to game with four targets, right? Exactly You come to quick. Oh, yeah, you know, I got you my bad. Yeah. Yeah, I got you. You right you right But look like I said, it's the Cowboys. It's a Monday night. Obviously there's frustration. It was a bad read.
Starting point is 00:05:48 It was a misread or a terrible throw by Dak. Whatever the case may be. Obviously, Dak's upset with himself because it was a horrible read. CD's upset because if they got their signals crossed and it's on national television and everybody's looking like, man, that was terrible. Like I said, it had to be a misread because how else would it explain that
Starting point is 00:06:08 list CD by that, that much that bad old Joe, it had to be a misread. Somebody had to be thinking something and it was something else. That's the only thing. That's the only conclusion that you could draw from that old Joe. But like I said, if it was a joke, if he had thrown it, thrown it and you know, CD had to go up to get it. Yeah. Okay. Fine. But he hit the DB in the chest. Yeah. Yeah. But listen, I know one thing they better get it together. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:35 Cause they got damn Detroit lions and a Detroit line can do one thing. And we know that the Achilles heel for the Dallas defense is that's a running game and that got them David Montgomery and Jermick Gibbs be told in the hell out there. They told it. I ain't even gonna mention the pass the game and having to deal with J Mo and goddamn Amon Ross, St. Brown and the Porter. Mark was going to law.
Starting point is 00:06:58 It's going to be a long day in Jerry's world. Why Marshawn Lynch handed at the possibility run for mayor of Oakland on podcast as he co-hosts with longtime agent Doug Hendrickson and guest governor Gavin Newsom. It might be a possibility, Lynch said, he recently told the Confidant both Newsom and Hendrickson encouraged Lynch to go beast mode in the race. Beast mode for mayor. I like it. Yeah, for sure. I like it. He wouldn't have much to say when he on the mic though. You know, he'd be a little short-winded, but I like it.
Starting point is 00:07:31 I can see him up there. Like I always thought about, like I probably couldn't do it, you know, but I just want to get in front of the people and tell the people how much I love them. I'm really good at talking in front of crowds. Like I'm not saying I'm Obama. I'm not saying that, but my delivery
Starting point is 00:07:49 and my ability to engage with those, huh? Oh yeah, my ability to engage with crowds and bring you in and have a good wifi. That means connection. You know, with those in front of me, I'm really good at that. So anyway, chat, what y'all doing, chat? Y'all good? Yeah, welcome to Nightcap.
Starting point is 00:08:16 Welcome to Nightcap. Y'all wanna hear me rap? Y'all wanna hear me rap? They call me Ocho. I don't play no games. What you want to do? I put you to shame. You know who I am. I don't play no.
Starting point is 00:08:32 I'm I'm used to the fame. What you want to do? I'm a crazy. I'm sorry, I am so sorry. I am so sorry because I try to do all I possibly can to make sure I don't leave him on the mic by himself. Now we good we good I was just I was I was singing my verse for this new song coming out with Future. Back to the Future? No no no no Future Hendrix like Future like Pluto. The Future from ATL? Huh? Future from ATL? The hit maker Future Yeah, we got a song coming out in December.
Starting point is 00:09:06 Oh, okay. Yeah. Jane Daniels dismisses Lamar Jackson comparison before the commanders Raven's game. Daniel told reporters, I don't like when people try to compare me to Lamar. We're two different players. I want to be known as Jane Daniels, not the next such and such. You like that response on Joe? Yeah, I do. I love it.
Starting point is 00:09:26 I love it. Lamar backed it as well. They're two completely different type of players. I know because they're probably dual threat quarterbacks, they wanna compare both of them, but that's not the fact. That's not the fact. I think Jane Daniels is a pocket passer
Starting point is 00:09:42 who can also be a dual threat quarterback. I think Lamar Jackson was a run first quarterback who has developed and honed the skillset of being a passer as well. Yes. Well, they both have similar style. They both have similar styles to their plate, but the comparison, no, I, I, I, I don't like it. I don't like it at all.
Starting point is 00:10:02 I like what had to say about it. I mean, look, I think when Lamar came out, they had a very similar bill. Black won the Heisman was tremendous with their legs. Great throwing the football. I think both of them had the same record. I think both of them lost like three games or something in the year which they won the Heisman. Sensational dynamic legs, elusive, can make plays in the pocket, can make plays out of
Starting point is 00:10:26 the pocket. But I get it. Like, bro, let me be me. I just want to be me. And if being me doesn't lead to some of the accolades that Lamar do, I could be okay. I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. But I don't have a problem with what the young man said.
Starting point is 00:10:42 He's a phenomenal. I love watching him play. He is so gifted. He's so good at throwing the football already. Like you said, I mean, he can't even run. Hell yeah, he can run. But I think he's not a guy Ochoa that would throw caution to the wind and just take off running. He runs for, he runs for and with a purpose. Yeah. But he's definitely looking to go one, two, three. Okay. Nothing there. Let me go.
Starting point is 00:11:12 Not there. I'm out. Yeah. And rightfully so. And he's played extremely well outside of that first game. Oh Joe, he's been like, he's been lights out ever since. He's been lights out ever since. So it's I'm happy for him. Good to see him play. He's been, he's been lights out ever since. He's been lights out every since. So it's, I'm happy for him.
Starting point is 00:11:26 Good to see him play. He's been phenomenal. I did not expect him because CJ just happened. And that's what you and I was talking. I said, Oh Joe, what's the likelihood of one of these guys coming behind CJ and doing what CJ did? You like man, that ain't very good, man.
Starting point is 00:11:42 Cause we had never seen a CJ do that before. I mean, you got to go back to like Andrew Luck that, you know, that was well, Luck had okay season. But when you look at, when you look at Jayden and you look at his command of the offense, it's like, bro, you're a rookie. You ain't supposed to be doing that. Yeah. I ain't supposed to be doing that. Not at that level already. I thought you'd go take you a couple of years, but he's so far ahead of where,
Starting point is 00:12:11 but these, but you know what, don't show a lot of these guys that they do these seven on seven camps, these jokers got for pro coaches and high school. Yeah. They're getting pro coaches to work footwork, to work release, to work, throw in motion, to work release, to work throw in motion, to process information. But yo, ain't nobody watching no damn tape in high school. These guys watching tape in high school now.
Starting point is 00:12:32 What tape? We lined up and played on Friday. And made adjustments in the game. Made adjustments in the game. Oh, we thought they were gonna run the wishbone. Oh, they had to spray it off his? Well, you take him, you take him. Okay, that's what we did, man.
Starting point is 00:12:48 Now these kids, these quarterbacks are so far advanced. Wide receivers, these high school wide receivers get with college wide receivers and they get with pro wide receivers and they're running routes and they're talking things. And you know what it is, Ocho. Think about it, Alabama, each one teach one. Ohio State, each one teach one. Ohio State, each one teach one.
Starting point is 00:13:05 You know, you had a lobby, you had Garrett Wilson, you have in Jigba, you had Arif the junior. And now you got these guys. And then you had Julio and you had Amari, and you had Ridley, you had Judy, and you had, and you had J. That's how you, that's how you pipeline. You just keep it going.
Starting point is 00:13:24 Crazy. You know, the game against the pipeline, you just keep it going. Crazy. Crazy. You know, the game against the Ravens will be a good test. It'll be a good test for Jaden Daniels. The play against a defense like that will be one of the better defenses that he's going to see this year. So if he can remain composed with that kind of pressure, with understanding that they're going gonna be coming after you. Yeah
Starting point is 00:13:47 You know, so I'm excited. I'm excited for him. I'm excited to watch the Mars. Well, I think that will probably be one of the better games This this week this weekend. Yeah, I can't wait for that one Hey there, it's Michael Lewis author of going Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life. The referee, the coach, the expert. My next season is all about fans and what the rise of sports betting is doing to them,
Starting point is 00:14:22 to the teams, and even to my family. I'm heading to Las Vegas and New Jersey and beyond to understand America's newest form of legalized gambling. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Oh Joe, the Hassan Reddick situation just got weirder. CAA Reddick's agency has parted ways with the disgruntled defensive end. The Jets have always felt all along that Reddick's agent wanted to get the deal done, but Reddick did not.
Starting point is 00:15:04 Reddick's holdout has now cost him $9 million. The Jets traded for Reddick at the end of March, acquiring him from the Eagles for a 2026 conditional third round pick. Reddick came to Florham Park for a physical and a virtual press conference, but has not been back since. He requested a trade in August, but the Jets general manager, Joe Douglas, said immediately the Jets would not trade him.
Starting point is 00:15:34 I don't get this, Ocho. I don't understand. The Jets organization knew when they were trading for him. They knew what he wanted already. I'm sure they understood that. I'm not sure why you would trade for a player that's expecting a contract extension. I saw some people say, well, maybe if he showed up to camp
Starting point is 00:15:52 and they were disposed to do, they would have paid him. Well, obviously, no, you traded for him for a reason based on what he did last year. So you understand the resume and the productivity is already there. So you're paying for just that and what's to come. To me, it's confusing.
Starting point is 00:16:08 The fact that the actual agency, when normally it's the players that lead the agency, not the agency excusing themselves from the player, to me, that's a first. That's a first. So obviously, whatever advice that they're giving him, he's not listening. So they're like, you know what?
Starting point is 00:16:24 At this point, you're digging yourself a hole. Right. And you're making us look bad. Yeah, you're making us look bad. We gonna exit stage left. And that's the thing. That's why I say the agency, the agent works at the bequest of the player.
Starting point is 00:16:40 Right. Agents don't get to turn down deals. Players do. They bring you the deal, say this is what they're offering Ocho. Right. Agents don't get to turn down deals. Players do. They bring you the deal, say this is what they're offering Ocho. Right now, they got five years, 25 million. They got $8 million signing bonus. No, that ain't enough.
Starting point is 00:16:54 I ain't signing that shit. All right, go ahead. They go back. This is a talk to my client and we don't feel that it's market standard. Right. So it ain't like, okay, yeah, we'll take it. You go back to the client. You say this is what they're offering.
Starting point is 00:17:14 This is where they are. I think let's wait a couple of days. I think we can go back. I think we can get a few more. I don't think we're gonna be able to get to the number that you're asking for, but I think we can get to, I think we can get close. If we get close, are you okay? Yeah. You get close. I'm okay.
Starting point is 00:17:33 I'm okay with it because I've always had a negotiation like this. Oh Joe, I would rather take a few less dollars and keep the relationship cordial. Yeah. As opposed to having them begrudgingly give me more and it ruins the relationship. That's just me. Now everybody doesn't think like that. I'm just saying me. I'm willing to take less because the way I look at it over the life, $500,000 ain't going to change my life.
Starting point is 00:18:08 No, it's not. Because my agent always says, okay, Shannon, okay, you want X, they're offering Y. Let's just say you got another million. That's really only 500,000. And then when I take my three percent, then what? What you've done is that you've had them begrudgingly give you more. You have begrudgingly have you basically you ruin the relationship before hundred and seventy five thousand dollars.
Starting point is 00:18:38 Right. You know, some people don't play by the money now. Everybody different. Everybody different when it comes to money. It is. It is it is I mean and some people like they're okay with that But for me, I love being able to go back to the Broncos. I love being able to go back to the Ravens I love that. I love I love the relationship that I still have with the organization right and for
Starting point is 00:19:04 Because here's the thing, Ocho. If you run through 30 million, you're going to run through 31. That's what, hey, if you blow 50 million, I guarantee you, you go below 53. Yeah. But to each his own, I don't know how y'all do business is how y'all do business. I'm okay. I'm okay. Because I know I'm not gonna mess.
Starting point is 00:19:30 I'm not gonna mess my money up. So I'm cool. But everybody everybody is not like that. So when you look at it, you do what you do. I don't know, this situation is not very, is not very, I don't see it any time soon, because you've already, Ocho, you already lost $9 million. At this point, you might as well just ride it out all the way. But here's the thing, Ocho, you can't ride it out
Starting point is 00:20:05 because if you ride it out, guess what happens? What? You losing the credit of the year. Dude, you don't care about that? That man wanted money. Man, I'm trying to get all them G's. Man, that man wanted his money, man. He ain't thinking about that.
Starting point is 00:20:24 They knew that from jump. You knew what time it it was you already knew a type of time he was on Well, it seems like the jet feel like they they've tried to work out something and he don't want it But the agent the agents trying to work work with him and he'd like nah Yeah Where you gonna get where you gonna get that 16 million from? Shoot I don't know, boy. I Should I? Good oh sure I can walk away from 16 mil you got that good oh
Starting point is 00:20:52 Who? Yeah, no, I got my good Right ready gonna have to tell it just where they had to get it in blood now. Hey, I owe you who I owe you what? Well, come come get it. No, he ain't getting paid. They go. They like, hey, we pay nothing. So we straight. Yeah, I don't think I'm ever having that good, though, Joe, that I can walk away from 16 million.
Starting point is 00:21:16 Listen, don't don't don't don't do that. No, you never. Oh, Joe, you want to match your question? What person, you know? Jeff Bezos worth 300, uh, to Elon Musk, all these guys worth billions and they go to work. Jerry Joe, you think Jerry Jones gonna walk away from 16 million. Jerry Jones worth 16 billion. Hell nah.
Starting point is 00:21:39 Exactly. That's my point. But do you know how much money you have to have to just walk away from 16 million? You gotta be, that's different. Hey, let's live a new life like that, bro. Even if I'm worth 200 million. Bro, I ain't walking away from no 16 million.
Starting point is 00:21:59 Nah. 16, nah. To each his own, hey, he gonna stand on principle? He's like, look, bro, I told y'all. Um, oh yeah, he, he holding the ground. He holds his ground, but he paid, he paid, he paid, he paid the pipe before. Carrie Underwood is paid $1 million each week to do Sunday night football theme song. She feels it all in one day and got paid $18 million for that.
Starting point is 00:22:29 She gets paid money to sing a one minute song. Uh, she gets paid more than to sing that one minute song than the following players, Travis Kelsey, Christian McCaffrey, Saquon Barkley, CJ Stroud, Mike Evans, Joey Bosa, Roquan Smith, Marlon Humphrey, Fred Warner, Aiden Hutchinson, Sal's Garden and Aiden and Derek Henry. Okay. Derek Underwood, the real deal, okay.
Starting point is 00:22:58 Did she win American Idol? Yeah. I think it's American Idol. She won one of them shows And she's been she's been on the run ever since. Oh, yeah. Well, Kelly Clarkson won the first one. I do know that Yeah, I remember miss Clarkson. Yeah, she got a TV show now, right? Yes Kelly Clarkson and I remember a big room Ruben stutter I remember a fantasy room. I remember Fantasia. I remember Fantasia.
Starting point is 00:23:25 And I remember Karen. I don't really know. I don't really know. I know there was a guy, Chris Daughtry. I think that was one. I used to watch it a little bit back then, Ocho. But after that, I was just like, man. But man, hey, get your money. I ain't got no problem with getting that bread. Ocho, after missing the last two games with an oblique injury, quarterback Quinn Ewers
Starting point is 00:23:47 is set to make a big return for the Cubs and the Longhorns in the biggest game of the year. Sarc, Steve Sarkeesian told reporters today that Ewers will be the starter for Sunday's Red River rivalry game against Oklahoma. Sophomore Arch Manning has started the last two games in his absence and helped lead Texas to back to back wins. Oh Joe, do you like this move? Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:24:14 Man. Quinn, Quinn ears is a senior. Uh, he's also a Heisman candidate despite missing two games. Uh, he wants, he needs to continue putting together his resume for the draft is upcoming season. The smallest number size we saw of Arch Manning. He will be here for another two, maybe three years. And Texas is in good hands when it comes to the quarterback position. Let Quinn, let Quinn finish off his senior year, do what he needs to do. It's going to be a good game against Oklahoma. I'm excited.
Starting point is 00:24:47 I will be watching it and we will be talking about it. Yeah. And that's pretty much it. I almost went to the game, Ocho, but you know. You mean go? I might go, depending. I know how airlines are hiking up prices after, you know, issues. I'm thinking about going to the Colorado Kansas State game in Denver or Boulder.
Starting point is 00:25:14 Oh, yeah. So I fly in the fly in the Denver, right? Yes. You file a different that you would. Although you have a car service pick you up or you drive up the motor May somebody pick me up driving the boulder Coach prime is not a fan of Colorado's late start time against Kansas State on Saturday The Buffaloes will kick off at 10 15 p.m. Eastern against the Wildcats coach prime only disagrees with that. Yep. What does that? I guess Coach Primes probably disagrees with that. Yep.
Starting point is 00:25:43 What does that, who does that? I mean, who has the power to sit up there and say, yeah, I'm gonna make a play at 8.15 Mountain Time. When told the television station network decides the time, time questioned why the team got a bump to such a late start. But how stupid is that? How stupid is that?
Starting point is 00:26:01 Right. I don't like that. Nope. I don't like that. Nope. I don't like that because now that that that affects me that affects us when it's time for us to go live. Hold on that game come on it. So that'll be 10. That'll be 6 15 hour time right? Yeah. Seven seven that's out there hour. So that'd be seven 15. Man, oh chill man. Seven, seven, that's an hour, that hour. So that'd be seven, 15. Man, old show, man, we ain't coming on
Starting point is 00:26:28 till about nine, 30, 10 o'clock. Well, you know what, when I think about it, even though it'd be kind of late, people still gonna show up. Oh yeah. They still gonna show up. Just like the movie, just like the movie, Feel the Dreams. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:42 Build it, they will come. And that they do, They've been showing up. They've been showing up and showing out. I think time issue is you got 18, 19, 20 year old kids. Right. How you keep them crooked up in a hotel room. These not grown men. Oh, yes. Oh Joe, they're in a hotel. There's only so much video games you can play. How do you get the kids focus that length of time sitting there? So I think that's time's issue is going to be. I'm sure we get it back on. I'm going to make sure that's one of the questions that we ask it.
Starting point is 00:27:18 Bro. Yeah. Mike Tyson is inspected much of a fight when he squares off against Jake Paul next month. He said he doesn't anticipate Paul will go the distance if he doesn't try to run from Tyson. If I don't have to catch him, you can expect around one knockout, but I may have to catch him because I anticipate this guy running for me. When Tyson steps into the ring at AT&T stadium, it'll be the first time fighting in, uh, since the exhibition that he fought Roy Jones, Jr.
Starting point is 00:27:54 In 2020, Tyson hasn't fought professionally since 2005. Oh, Joe, what are your expectations? Listen, I love Jake. I love all that Jake has done for the sport of boxing, from an entertaining aspect, from an influencer aspect, and showing people that anything is possible when you sit and put your mind to it. I don't know the spectrum of the fight,
Starting point is 00:28:22 but I do know, even at 57 years old, if Mike Tyson Decides to turn up the size to be aggressive Decides to come out this fight like he's always come out in his prime or even was younger Just with that same that same minds that are closing the distance and being a pressure fighter Bobbin weaving Bobbin weaving Bobbin weaving in and out like he normally does it can get ugly and being a pressure fighter, bobbin, weavin, bobbin, weavin, bobbin, weavin, in and out like he normally does, it can get ugly. It can get ugly.
Starting point is 00:28:49 Who you taking, you taking Tyson or Jake? I would take Tyson. This is dangerous, even at 57, I don't think you understand, even at 57. Tyson ain't no 57, Tyson might be 59, 60. He even, still, still, even at 57. That's a different. Tyson ain't no 57, Tyson might be 59, 60. It's still, still, even at that age, the power, you can't replicate that power even at that age. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:14 Because whoever you sparring against, whoever you're doing, whatever type of training with, you can't replicate that power, that low center of gravity, that Tyson even at his age, I don't think people understand, man. You lose it, you lose it, you know, it goes away, but come on, man, we talk about one of the most deadliest punches of all time. I'm not even sure what Mike Tyson knockout percentage rate was. I think, actually I think Big George had a higher percentage.
Starting point is 00:29:48 I think, who else? The guy, Muhammad Ali knocked out in Maine. You take the heavyweight title. The big Denver, Colorado, what's the guy's name? Oh, the first one, when the Holy when Tyson won the heavyweight fight, well, not Tyson, when Bob and Ali. Oh, shoot, I don't know. Oh, my God, I can't think of the guy's name. He was actually he was he was the bouncer for the mall.
Starting point is 00:30:25 Sonny Liston. Oh Sonny, God damn Sonny. Yeah, they probably have higher knockout percentages than Tyson. Right. But he had, obviously he had, he got head power, he had dynamite that to the body and then come up through the guard with that uppercut.
Starting point is 00:30:45 That was his watch. It, but I don't think you understand, man. It can get ugly if he decided to turn up. You know, I'm sure, I'm sure he's going, he's got, I'm sure Tyson going to work with him, but, oh God, you know, there's, I love what Jake is doing, but there's, there's ring experience for a, but there's ring experience for a reason. There's ring IQ for a reason.
Starting point is 00:31:08 And dude, these dudes been doing this as they was four, five, six, seven, eight years old. Yeah, I get it, yeah. And it's different, man. Yeah, for sure. The way you see punches, it's different. You gotta see those punches, Ocho. Hey, and even, hold on, even if you do see him,
Starting point is 00:31:28 you don't understand the power behind it until you got them 10, 10, eight ounce love zone. Oh, it's a different ballgame. They don't hear you. Oh, yeah. Sure. Or. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, the Blind Side and Liar's Poker. And every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life. The referee, the coach,
Starting point is 00:31:51 the expert. My next season is all about fans and what the rise of sports betting is doing to them, to the teams, and even to my family. I'm heading to Las Vegas and New Jersey and beyond to understand America's newest form of legalized gambling. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. All right, Ocho, now it's time for our first segment. It's time for Q&A. Q&A, Q&A, Q&A. Oh, I think, Ocho, if I'm not mistaken, before we get started, I think it's one of our Maud's
Starting point is 00:32:38 birthday. I think it's Lainey Ray's birthday. Happy birthday, Lainey Ray. I don't know if you're in the chat. You probably at the bar celebrating, which that's where I would be if I was, you know, you guys as age, I'd probably be celebrating too. But we want to tell which happy birthday chat.
Starting point is 00:32:53 Let's wish Lainey Ray a very happy birthday. We don't know what number that is because women don't like to share their birthday. But happy birthday, Lainey Ray. I hope you enjoy today with family, friends and loved ones. And you enjoy many, many more to come. So happy birthday, Lainey Ray. I hope you enjoy today with family, friends, and loved ones, and you enjoy many, many more to come. So happy birthday, Lainey Ray. 4KT said, I'm a Seahawk fan and we need to tank for Shadour Sanders.
Starting point is 00:33:14 Or two weeks back. Hey, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill. Geno Smith is doing just fine. He had a bad game. He had a historic season last year. His best to date. You guys are fine. Just relax. J-Dub from Akron said, Oh Joe, I hope this match with Harrison is a bullseye.
Starting point is 00:33:34 He's deep on four reason. Hey, I'm going to beat the shit out of Marvin. I'm talking about Marvin Harrison. I'm going to beat the shit out of James Harrison. Ask me if this fight for real, man. Yeah, I mean, I think you got a better chance against Marvin. But okay. I'm talking about Marvin Harrison. I'm gonna beat the shit out of James Harrison. Don't ask me if this fight for real, man. Yeah, I mean, I think you got a better chance against Marvin, but okay.
Starting point is 00:33:48 He also said he's from Akron. We're wide different. He gonna put a foot in you, fold you up. Can't afford to be out there with you on IR from the show. Hey, and stop playing with me, man. I'm not a lawn chair. Ain't nothing about me getting folded, okay? And James Harrison from Akron?
Starting point is 00:34:04 Yeah. Okay, probably you know when James Harrison from Akron. Yeah. Okay. Probably, you know, when I submit him or probably when I knocked him out, I made that LeBron James. Oh, you hit that silence on it. Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do. Uh, Stephanie Warfield said happy world mental health day and happy birthday to my mom's why bestie, Laney Ray.
Starting point is 00:34:24 Happy birthday. Birthday and many more. We love you. Hope you are wife, bestie, Lainey Ray. Happy birthday birthday and many more. We love you. Hope you're hitting, hitting your, hitting the sheets. I mean, streets. Oh, damn. I like that. Well, I was like, is this my eyes? Hope you're hitting the sheets. I mean, the streets for your special day. Yes, lady, Ocho and I and everybody here at night. I want to wish you a happy birthday.
Starting point is 00:34:45 Hopefully you enjoyed some, uh, some R and R. Um, it was what birds do people get that? Do people get their birthdays off? Yeah. I mean, no, no, no, no, no, not, not in, not in nine to five or corporate world. Absolutely not. Oh yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:59 Yeah. Oh, so maybe she took PTO. Um, I don't know, but hopefully, Lainey, everybody here at Night Cat, wanna wish you a very happy birthday. Hopefully you enjoy some time off and we'll talk to you soon. Nice to say hello, Shannon and Ocho.
Starting point is 00:35:15 Ocho, I didn't know you had bars. You turned the show into a night trap for a minute there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, I do a little something. I don't do it too often because if ain't no check, ain't no check being cut, I really don't really spit like that. But I just wanted to give you a quick eight.
Starting point is 00:35:33 Just a quick eight. Just to let you know what I could do. Give you a small sample size of what me and Future got cooking. Ocho, snicka bars, Kit Kat, Hershey bars, the only kind of bars you got bro. Right, right, right, right. I like them bars right there.
Starting point is 00:35:51 And sometimes I take them from the Milky Way. Oh no, man, come on, Ocho. You can't eat no Milky Way, no three musketeers. I used to make some clay. When I was in second grade, he called me late. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was nice. That's that that just that's a small that's just that's a little snippet.
Starting point is 00:36:12 That's a little snippet of what I could do. I try to feel me. I try to build my best behavior when I go to these people hotels, because you never know when you're going to have to come back. But if I didn't care, I would go outside and I would yell at the top of my lungs. But right. Yeah don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. But listen, when I sell out, when I start
Starting point is 00:36:35 selling out arenas, you gonna want a ticket. You don't want to know if you heard his rap from earlier today from the BET awards. What rap you had Ocho at the BET awards? Well you see that I did the cypher and I had a I had a I had a good line in there too. You heard me? I didn't I didn't I had no listen at the end of it like I started kind of shaky because I ain't I the beat was throwing me off a little bit But once I got into a rhythm, I got a line in there, right?
Starting point is 00:37:09 When i'm home, it's wifey time sounding like shannon on igi live. That shit was so cold How you gonna put me in your rap? Hey, I swear to god you ain't you ain't where ash a-ash ain't that with you? Yes Yeah, tell ash no, I, I ain't tell Asher, but I'm trying to figure out why you put me in your song. Because it had just happened like three days ago and I went to do the siphon and be like, you know what, let me put this in my rap.
Starting point is 00:37:34 That's how I'm telling you, I got bars. You got to check it out. Listen to it. Tell Asperger it's on my page. Yeah. Sounded like Shannon on, hey, I was ball on that thing flowing boy. Hey, listen, when you hear it, you don't like it though. Oh Lord have mercy.
Starting point is 00:37:56 Dr. Frankie L Bellamy said if y'all playing under current guidelines of the NFL today, how would you adjust your technique style of play physical physically to adapt? Would you keep the same? No, I mean, how would you adjust your technique, style of play, physically to adapt? Would you keep the same? No, I mean, I would be perfect. I would have to adjust nothing. I have about 2000 yards. Nothing, absolutely. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:38:14 Oh, they couldn't hit, they couldn't do the five yard incidental contact. Nothing. No, no, no, I would be perfect. I'm perfectly built with the way that I played I'm even better suited for today's game that I was back then Ah, Keppra know what juniors the on my question What is your favorite hard knocks moment mine was rookie talent show when when he played you in Baltimore?
Starting point is 00:38:42 I think everybody favorite moment I would show when he played you in Baltimore. I think everybody's favorite moment. That was fun. Yeah, I mean, that was that was great. That was really the first time Hard Knocks has been in existence ever since then. And wherever I go, I mean, people talk about Hard Knocks. They always talk about that was the best Hard Knocks because they feel that. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Starting point is 00:39:03 What? The best Hard Knocks for that 2009 bangles. because they feel that was. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What that? The best hard knocks for that 2009 Bangles. Y'all was good. Y'all was good, but, hey, I coulda got an Academy Award for carrying that show by myself that year. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:21 Chad, what y'all think? Which hard knocks y'all think was better 2009 bangles or the old one or the old one Raven on it. I don't even know they well Well, I know they ain't no thing on grew with me. I know they I know they gonna grew with me The root again all my sins came from that All the uh, all the rookies they performed the guy that uh that did a rate Yeah All the rookies, they performed the guy that did Ray. Yeah, oh that was funny. Hey, that was funny. I mean, they were great.
Starting point is 00:39:52 They were great. Abraham Sawah, come back to Houston. Ojo, play me in FIFA if you wanna whip it. 500 a game. Hell, I ain't playing no goddamn 500 a game. Now you't playing no goddamn 500 game. Now you know how financially savvy I am. You think I'm gonna play for 500 a game? Stop playing.
Starting point is 00:40:11 You scared? Yeah, he ain't even gonna win. Ain't about being scared. I got Avery. Ain't about to be scared. I got him. I'm taking him. No, you ain't.
Starting point is 00:40:21 Yeah, I am. No, you ain't. No, you ain't. Yeah. No, you ain't. What a friend we have in Jesus. Okay, oh, Joe, that concludes our show for tonight. Thank you for joining us. Back tomorrow.
Starting point is 00:40:41 As you watched the Seattle Seahawks beat, no, excuse me, you watched the 49ers beat the Seahawks, 36-24 Brock Purdy, 255 passing yards, three touchdowns. George Kittle had five catches for 58 yards and two touchdowns. And the running game ran the ball extremely well. They were over 200, if I'm not mistaken, over 200 yards rushing as they get back on the winning track and they take down the Seattle Seahawks 36 to 24. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap.
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