Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Cowboys shakey win, Travis Hunter snubbed, NIL headed to danger zone

Episode Date: November 29, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to DeMarvion Overshown’s pick-6 to boost Cooper Rush and the Dallas Cowboys to a 27-20 Thanksgiving win against Drew Lock and the New York Giants. Later, Unc and Ocho react to Deion “Coach Prime” Sanders saying he plans to give Travis Hunter his Jim Thorpe trophy after Colorado’s 2-way player and Heisman hopeful gets snubbed out of the award and question if the NIL is headed into dangerous territory after details emerge of Bryce Underwood’s trip to Michigan and how Dave Portnoy, a billionaire and Tom Brady all played a part in flipping the 5-star recruit’s decision to go from LSU to Michigan and much more!03:13 - Cowboys v Giants11:45 - Packers v Dolphins22:51 - Deebo Samuel on Shanahan27:10 - Bryce Underwood’s trip to Michigan33:13 - Coach Prime goes off on Travis Hunter’s Thorpe Awards snub37:00 - Most Sinful Cities in America (wallethub)44:43 - Man leaves wife with hospital bill because she didnt name their son Jr51:44 - Q and Ayyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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of 2023. That'll also responsible for Cowboys first rushing attempt of at least 20 yards this year. The star of the Cowboys was the Marvion Overshawn. He secured both of Dallas turnovers recovering a fumble reforced by Eric Kendrick and Tyrone Tracy and catching his own badded pass. And you know, he ran that back for a pick six. Yeah, that was on that was on drew lock.

That was a good because you see the guy right there. You go open over the top. You don't throw it. You know. Yeah. Hey, listen, the Cowboys defensively, they play very well. They play very, very well on the run pass game. Man, they play they play really well, especially at the point of attack. They were very physical upfront,

not allowing the Giants to have their way and impose their will. So I like what I saw from the Cowboys today, but can you do it against the better teams? Can you do it consistently against the teams that have winning records? That's where the issue comes into play for them. I'm hoping everything is okay with CD

lamb. I see left the game maybe late second maybe early third quarter something wrong with the shoulder. Yeah you know he had that uh bruised rotator uh what was the AC joint? I oh but they ain't got nothing to do with them dropping them down passes now. I ain't gonna let you do that. Okay okay. I ain't gonna let you do that. Okay, okay. I ain't gonna let you do that, blame that on his shoulder. Yeah, yeah, I know you talking about the drag. You talking about the drag route. I'm talking about he dropped three of them. He turned into a retriever.

All he did was pick the ball up and hand it to the official. His job is a receiver. His job is to catch the ball, not to retrieve the ball. Yes, sir, yes, sir. He dropped three. He had six targets.

He had two catches. Malik neighbor, same thing for you, bro. Y'all yapping about wanting the ball, but you dropping it. He throw it to you, you throw it back at him. So yeah, I saw CD get dragged down on his shoulder, but that wasn't why he's dropping those passes. That's lack of concentration. Yeah, yeah, most definitely.

Same thing with Malik neighbors. Yeah, I'm not gonna bring up the drop balls, but since you- Why not? You got to. I know since you boy, since you boy to a head, them boys know you got to catch that pill, baby. That's the money.

That's your money maker. That's your money maker. That brown ball they call the Duke, you got to love that. You got to love that. You got to love that more than you love your family. Because in order to feed your family, you got to catch that Duke. They gonna be that more than you love your family. Because in order to feed your family, you got to kiss that dude.

They think they're going to be all right, though. We're going to get that together. That ain't nothing but little jug machine after practice. Even in week 12, little jug machine after practice won't hurt. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not telling Malik neighbors as a rookie. What they got to do to catch the ball? You caught the ball. That's something you've been doing all your life, Ocho. We're not asking them to make spectacular catches, like when they throw you the ball in the frame of your body catch. That's all we're asking. No, we don't need no O.L. Becker. We don't need nothing spectacular. When they throw you the ball, Ocho, you catch it. At some point in time, you got to

realize everything is not meant to be a spectacular. Everything is not meant to be a catch and run Ocho for 40 yards. You have to understand situation. You know what? The most important thing here is to get this first down. Let me get this and get on the ground. Yeah. A lot of if you look at CD, what CD try to do? He tried to get up the wrong.

Yeah. I never seen a catch to hit the ground first Right, you're dropping it in the cat Yeah, okay You jumping up and down to be going and you would have but you're not you going you going back to the home. Mm-hmm Come on guys. I Get look Everybody it was no son today

Ain't nobody complain about no son Oh Joe mm-hmm ain't no son yeah one now it wasn't out it wasn't out just a small lack of concentration split second taking your eyes off the ball but oh Joe normally when you have one of those drops early what do you do you concentrate you focus even more yeah it seems like CD he laughs, concentrate. He laughs even more because after that point, he didn't catch another pass. Yeah. Cooper Rush was 21 to 36 195 one touchdown. Like you said, they read the ball, Ocho. basically about four yards of carry.

They had 32 carries. That ain't bad. That ain't bad. Now you can live with that. Not the greatest, but it ain't bad. Look, you can only beat who's on your schedule. We know the Giants aren't very good. Right. But we've seen the Cowboys lose games like this before also. So give them credit for keeping focused on a short week,

not still celebrating the victory in Washington Coming out there handling their business today When you get to string two together now you get to now you get about six five or six days off Before you get ready for the next Sunday. You still look everything you you're probably need to run the table, okay? Well in order to get one of these playoff spots. Yeah. Wild card. You get three teams out of the NFC North, Minnesota,

Green Bay and Detroit. So there's only one spot left. Right. Cowboys, San Francisco, Seattle, Arizona. Well, there's one problem. What? And that goes for all Cowboys fans in the chat. I have this is no disrespect to y'all.

Yeah, the Cowboys do need to run the table to have a chance at a spot. You do know they play, you do know they play the Bengals Monday night, right? In Jerry's World, right? Yeah. Okay, I'm just making sure. I'm just making sure you understand

what they got coming up. Y'all defense, y' just making sure. I'm just making sure you understand what they got coming up. Y'all defense, y'all defense, terrible. Y'all might do something. Y'all better be able to block. Can y'all block their front? Can y'all block their front? Oh yeah, we gon' be fine. You know, Joe, Joe don't,

let Joe get the ball out of his hands quick anyway. As a matter of fact, we gon' establish the run first, get them boy, get the front tied up there. Michael Parsons is going to be frustrated. You know, he's going to he's going to get mad because the ball's going to be coming out. One is gone. I'm OK. Hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. Cowboy fans, what are you all talking about? Y'all going to win the division, y'all two in one. Do you all understand the Eagles record? They try and they try to get a reaction out of you. I don't see the. Oh, Joe, this see the delusion. This is why Jerry's how he is because he knows his fans are

gullible. They're the loop. They're the loop. They're going to believe anything that he sells them. And it serves him right. They did. They did. I'll be glad. I'll be glad when it's like it like three weeks when they get

put out of their misery. And then what they go say, wait the next year. And I'll be right here. Guess what? And I can't be right here next year, in 25, 26, 27, and y'all still ain't going nowhere. But look, like I said, Ocho,

you could only beat who's on your schedule. Yeah. Not, hey, like I said, we've seen the Cowboys lose games like this before. Yes, sir. They won today. Give them credit for that. I thought they ran the ball extremely well. The defense got after Drew Lock. Made it very very tough. I mean

think about Ochoa-Dade. I mean they ran the ball 21 times for 116 yards. That's on five yards a carry. Yeah that's enough to beat the Giants. I'm. Let's let's let's keep it. I'm saying I'm saying the Giants rush for 21 for 116. No, I'm OK. OK, I'm saying that is a doubt. Oh, they say it's less than a no, no, no, I'm saying no. The Cowboys rush 32 for 122. Right. The Giants rush 21 for 116. But what about put this in the air?

But here's the thing, though, Ocho, you gave up a scoop and score. I mean, you gave up a pick six picks and you gave up in another fumble. So there you go right there. That's the game basically played into a standstill on offense. But when you turn the ball over, I mean, what do you expect to happen? You pay double for that. You do. Um, the last game of the night, Ocho, the Packers defeated the dolphins.

Hey man, I'm mad, man. Oh Joe, I'm mad for y'all been terrible. Y'all been terrible when the weather drops below 30 degrees, even before you was born. That's what I'm mad about. We ain't played. Listen, even when Dan Marino was there the Dolphins We just do not play well when it comes to cold weather and most of the time when we make it to the playoffs when we do Have opportunity to go to the playoffs. We always have to go somewhere. Where's cold where there be Buffalo

Every time we go to Buffalo in December What happens every time we make it to the playoffs and have to play Buffalo? What happens? Yeah. Every time we in cold weather, I don't know what it is. We don't know what it is. Y'all don't play the coldest game y'all have played in Miami is 77 degrees. The other cold game was 50 something in Buffalo. And then all of a sudden you get into the 20s and you talk about you don't know what happened.

Oh, this is what's always been happening. It's been our Achilles. I keep saying our, you know, people in the chat. I'm from Miami. I'm from Liberty city. I was born in Dade County at Jackson Moria hospital. So when my team growing up as a little kid was in Miami dolphins, you know, the Marks brothers, Marino anyway, but I consider myself, I always say we, I don't know what it is about the cold weather and it's been this way. Okay. I know what it is. the cold weather, and it's been this way. Yes you do.

Okay, I know what it is. I know what you're trying to say. I'm just saying, at what point are we gonna get over the hump where we perform just as well as we do when it's hot and the goddamn cold. When you get over the hump? I don't know, man. When you gonna learn how to drive?

When you learn how to drive? I don't know if you want to tell me, you just gotta do it, okay? You just gotta do it. Can I drive as efficient as I can in the heat or do I do in the snow? That's the question. No, because it's a different type of driving

in snowy conditions than it is in the summertime. You don't drive the same in Georgia as you do in Colorado, as you do in New York, as you do in Baltimore, as you do in up York, as you do in Baltimore, as you do in upstate New York or Michigan or Philadelphia, you don't. Well, you know, when it comes to playing football, it ain't no goddamn different. I done played in the cold.

I done played in the cold, I know what you're doing. Cincinnati is cold, don't you? It's still the same game, huh? It's still the same game? It's the same thing when Cincinnati played that cold game back in the early 80s and they got San Diego and the temperature went to 59 degrees. One team is used to playing in cold weather. Oh, y'all practice in cold weather. Yeah.

I'm not breaking news to anybody. There is a difference. Yeah. That ball is harder. It feels like a brick. That ball is harder. It feels like a brick. Normally the wind is blowing. So now all of a sudden the ball playing tricks on you. Yeah. Well, hell. Dolphin is gonna have to figure that out.

The ball wasn't playing tricks on the Packers. Cause the Packers practicing that. So how do you get cold? I want you So how do you, how do you get cold? I don't want you to tell me this. How do you get cold weather in Miami so you can practice in 20 degrees? You can't. It's impossible. It's impossible to emulate it.

It's impossible. Because let me ask you a question. I don't know how y'all used to do it, but when they had turf fields, we would go inside the dome and practice on turf. So we get used because you run different on turf than you do grass. Grass yeah I know it's yeah and you know on turf you much got damn faster too. I don't know about all that but I know my knees hurt my hips hurt and my back hurt from running on that hard ass. Yeah hold up what about falling? But it was it was concrete.

It ain't like the stuff, the field turf they got now. That was concrete. We call what a lay on carpet on it. Man, playing in the old vet. Cincinnati was terrible, too. Yeah. Yeah. No, Kansas City was terrible, too. Yeah, I heard about them.

They did the old Astrodome was awful also. Yeah. No, no. Kansas City was terrible too. Yeah. I heard about them. They did the old Astrodome was awful also. Yeah. Like I said, there was no field tour. When I first, everything, you know, they had artificial turf, Kansas City, Cincinnati, uh, uh, the Astrodome. Um, who the vet, the vet was the work. The vet was the worst. That was the worst stadium. Every year it was voted the worst, the worst stadium. Right. Um, I'm trying to think that I think soldier, the soldier field, I think soldier field had church early on and they, they, they, they went to grass later. Yeah.

But they, I'll show, they're just going to have to find a way to get past that. They, they got, they're going to have to tool with 37 to 46, 355, 365 to touchdown. Really got lucky on one that ball popped up, you know, normally. What's happening like that? If one of Johnny Smith. Yeah, he hit John Newt and, you know, man, they've got a great jump on the ball. Yeah. But you know, normally that ball popping there like that, don't you know?

That's the other way. It's a big it's a big gift. Tyreek credit. He kept his he he followed through. Kevin's here in the game. I mean, what they have almost 400 yards of offense. Yeah, I don't know how much I take to that, also because they had to throw their throw in the whole game.

They're behind for the most part by three scores the entire night. Right. So but they've got to find a way., they got to start faster these cold game because you know, like when you It's it's psychological. Oh Joe, right, right You go in the cold weather game and all of a sudden you find yourself down. Oh Joe you down to score You down three score and it get colder You think the muff the muff punt Yeah, they recover Already, already in territory. They score. So they go up and you put yourself behind the eight ball.

You put yourself behind the eight ball and now you're playing from behind right away. Not giving a chance against a really good team, a very good Green Bay Packers team. That don't make it no easier. Yeah. John New Smith has put together his last month has been really, really impressive. He's had a couple of hundred yard games.

They get him involved. He's scored two times. They get him involved. Yeah, yeah. I always thought he was good. You know, they kind of used him as a blocker when he was in Tennessee. And then I think he went to New England and Tom Brady wasn't there. So they don't know how to use the tight end like Brady knew how to use the tight end.

But again, Jordan Love was was sensational throw the ball. 21 of 28, 274, two touchdown. Kraft was involved. Watson, Reid, he didn't have very many targets. I mean, he had six, three catches, 24 yards, two touchdowns. But you know, one thing about the Pack, they got a bunch of young, good, rye receivers, man. Young boys, man.

And you know what they remind you of? You know what they, a Green Bay draft of receivers remind you of the Steelers. You remember Steelers had that run and they still do drafting receivers. Right. You know, you had Antonio Brown, Manuel Sanders. You have Mike Wallace. Mike Wallace, yes, yes.

All those guys. You know, you had Hans Heinz, you had Randall L, and you had Plank, and you had Antonio Holmes. It's just like a pipeline. Line receivers. You know what's so funny? The Packers receivers so young,

I call it, they like a fraternity. It's like they still in college. A bunch of college boys just happen to be playing in the NFL on the same goddamn team. That's how young them boys, that's what they remind me of, a bunch of frat boys playing receiver for the Packers. Yep. But the Dolphins on George, they really, like I said, and that's the thing that concerned me and that's why I can't take them serious because they're not going to have home field and you're going to have to go someplace. It's cold in Kansas City in January. Oh yeah. It's cold in Buffalo in January. Oh yeah.

It's cold in Baltimore in January. It's cold in Buffalo in January. It's cold in Baltimore in January. It's cold in Pittsburgh in January. So any possible place that they can be, if Cincinnati, I mean, whatever the case may be, it's cold in the places that they could possibly have to go. And so that's what's concerning to me. That's what's really concerning to me. Denver, if Denver, you know,

Denver look like they could possibly be on wild card, it gets cold in Denver, trust me. Denver, if Denver, you know, Denver's looking like they're going to possibly be a wild card, it gets cold in Denver, trust me. I played 12 years there. In January, it's cold as hell. Yeah, and so that's the thing, Ocho, that's why it's hard for me to take them serious when people say, can they be a contender? Right. Yeah.

If they had Kansas City's record, and they are a can they be a contender? Right. Yeah. If they were, if they were, if they had Kansas city's record and they are, or Buffalo's record with a chance to get home field throughout the playoffs, but having to go on the road, if you know, there's a reason why they've only, you know, and I think probably when they, when they went to the Superbowl back in the seventies, they probably had home field and it forced Pittsburgh or one of the other AFC team, maybe whoever they faced, you had to come there. Right. But all I know is that since I've been old enough to watch the Dolphins play any time they had to go to Buffalo or they had to go to a cold weather

Denver or cold weather Kansas City, they ain't coming out there with no victory. Oh, I remember you got you. Not coming out there with no victory. I remember watching as a kid. It was, it was the same way. Yeah. So damn. Uh, look, I think the Cowboys gonna rate.

Okay. Now we're going to say that thing about it. That was a good slate of games today. I mean, the Giants and the Cowboys, they know good slate of games on Joe's top. Okay, maybe not the Cowboys and Giants, but I enjoyed the Packers game, obviously on the end of the Packers and the Cheez Heads

because the way they look, but that goddamn, Chicago Bears and Lions game. That was exciting. I thought the Lions would get was get ready to run away with it for a minute. Yeah opportunity to run away and really extend that lead in that second quarter. But after halftime the Bears made it interesting that they did. I think the thing that really hurt them. They looked like they was about to go put seven or in worst case scenario, three on the board

when Gale fumbled. Yeah. Now, how different. It would have been over right, yeah. Now all of a sudden it's a 23-3 ball game. Bingo. But give the Bears, what I liked about the Bears, they came out of the half hole choke

and they needed a touchdown in the worst way. They needed that. Yeah. Because if they don't get a touchdown there, Detroit gets the ball, Detroit goes down, they got a touchdown. And so now you're already behind and you had the ball for six, seven minutes and you didn't have anything to show for it. Right. The Bears showed me some resiliency,

but that bonehead played by the coach. Yeah. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. That's unforgivable, Ocho. Oh, yeah. Because he's had too many of them. He's had too many of them, Ocho. Yeah. Devo Samuel responds to the idea that Kyle Shanahan should be on the hot seat.

Super Bowl, NLC Championship. Year after that, NLC Championship again. Last year's Super Bowl. Why are you saying he's on the hot seat? He doesn't understand how the business works. But just hearing the fact that Shanahan is even on the hot seat, we talk about one that's gonna be sought after

from every other team. I wish you would let someone like Shanahan go and allow his staff and that office to go somewhere else, especially go somewhere else that has a quarterback, have a decent quarterback at that, then he going to build the same exact thing with that same exact offering. Didn't he just sign an extension last year? Well in this business, you know when something like this comes out, you know it's coming from inside the house, right? You hear me? The call is coming from inside the house when stuff like this comes out. How many years was it?

Cause he had like a year left on the contract. So he signed a five year extension cause he had like a six year, a six or seven year deal to begin with. Yeah. Man, you know, you know, you know how this NFL is. So this. So yeah.

What'd he make it? Eight, nine a year? Because he had a contract that was like six years, 42 million. Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. Rightfully so though. Rightfully so. So, Ocho, 14 a year. Yeah, rightfully so.

Rightfully so. You do realize, you do realize Ocho, like you get rid of the head coach, his whole staff, he ain't got, he ain't got guys on one year deals. Yeah. He signed through 2027. Right. 252627 so that's three years. That's 42 million. I don't think he's on the hot seat, considering he just, the man just came off the Super Bowl? Oh, I know, but you know how fickle the NFL is. You know how fickle off the dark. That's not New York family, they don't operate like that. But then it wouldn't be out.

Something like this wouldn't even leak. You heard me? Where there's smoke, there's fire. Stuff like this comes from inside the house. Always. Well, it ain't coming from John Lynch because John Lynch got the job because of Kyle Shanahan. So who is it? Jay, Ned York? Ain't no telling. Ain't no telling.

Hey, well good luck with that one. He'd be unemployed. He'd be unemployed all in like one hour. Shoot, one hour, 30 minutes. 30 minutes is that. Yeah. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules,

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Brantz. Driving home from work, you got time for 10 takes. Taking a smoke break, you still smoke, you got time for 10 takes. Hiding in the bathroom at work, you got time for 10 takes. Taking a smoke break, you still smoke, you got time for 10 takes. Hiding in the bathroom at work, you got time for 10 takes. Listen to 10 takes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Wasabi hot cloud storage. Store more and do more with your data. Try them for free at wasabi.com. Ocho details have emerged a Bryce Underwood's flip to Michigan Oracle

Larry Ellison pointed up the reported 12 million dollars Dave Portnoy gave him a marketing deal with Barstool Tom Brady had numerous conversations with him this is how the, this is now the craziest recruitment story of all time. Is NIL headed to a dangerous territory? No. Larry Ellison is the second most wealthiest man in the world behind Elon Musk. Yeah. I mean, no, it's not headed to dangerous territory. Listen, you got to evolve. You got to evolve with the times. Listen, these are the times that we're in right now, similar to that of the NFL. It's become a business. It's just become a business now at the collegiate level, a time where before,

you remember college players, they were having to steal, they were having to steal just to eat. They were having to steal just to put clothes on your back. Now they have an opportunity as young men to earn a living, especially those that might not make it to the election level for those that might not make it to the next level And that's all it comes down to How many how many how many how many Universities got a Larry Ellison as a booster. I mean not not very many not very many but that's not That's not either second. None of them Because he's the second wealthiest man in the world so I know none of them got Larry Ellison

yeah but if that is that's the case and everybody they might want to go to Michigan but that's not that's not the case in IELTS even the playing field for all schools but what what happened they were paying players too but the team that had the most money what did they keep up end up doing in the best players thank you so now whoever has the most money, who gonna get the best player? So guess what you gonna flip it again. You gonna be right back to square one.

What you said you didn't wanna be Ocho. I don't know. I don't think it's gonna work like that. Even with someone like Larry Ellison that's a part of Michigan, I still don't think Michigan is a place where people are going to go, you know what? I'm going to Michigan because Larry Ellison is going to pay me.

No, no. Okay. What kid is going to turn down 12? And this was 12. It might be 20. Every kid coming out ain't going to be worthy of no 12. So we can stop right there. Here's the thing.

Come on now. Every kid ain't going to be a five star or one of the most sought after players in college. Right. Right. Right. Yeah, listen, dime a dozen, now. Dime a dozen. Every so often, a quarterback that's special like that,

to be able to command and warrant that kind of money, is gonna come. They not falling out the trees like that. They gonna end up capping it. But I understand what you mean. Because now he got a 12 million and he got a marketing deal. Oh yeah most definitely. Get everything you can boy. I got no problem with it. Yeah. They're gonna have to, listen you're gonna have to put

parameters on it because you know when you don't put guardrails on something it goes over the rails old Joe. It goes off the cliff. I don't like the parameters. You got to. Why? Because you can't have it like the YYW. It has to be organized, it has to be regulated. But why? We don't regulate the universities

and how much they able to make off the players. We don't regulate them doing that. Now the players have opportunity to make money off their likeness, now we wanna regulate it. No. Ocho. It's the same thing with alcohol. Now the players have opportunity to make money off their likeness. Now we want to regulate it. No, I'll tell It's the same thing with alcohol. What happened with marijuana when they found out a way to tax it. What did they do? Oh Joe, they legalized it Thank you see What they had to be had to be regulations

Oh, it didn't have to be really they regulated when they found a way they could monetize off of it. So wait a minute. Listen to me. Stay with me real quick. Now there was a time where the players got nothing and the only person that monetize off the players likeness was universities. Now the players are making the money and not having to give anything to the universities. Now we want to regulate it. So universities, so the universities can monetize again. Stop saying that, Ocho.

Top players always got money. Oh, I know what you mean. I know what you mean. Hey, OK. OK. You're right. You're right. Don't tell them about it. I think what's going to happen is that Congress is going to intervene and they're going to say because you know somebody's gonna get mad because eventually somebody gonna get mad because they lost somebody and it's gonna be somebody powerful that has some that has

some pool well and then guess what don't you because a lot of times, how they look, the player that's making the money, how they look. Oh, I got you. You know what's coming. I got you. You know what's coming. I got you. Hey, all I do is, hey, I was going here, Ocho.

This other school over here got six million from me. Do you know what six million, do you know what $12 million? This kid here, $12 million might be great for this kid, the rest of them, he, hey, Andy got a marketing deal? I will live on campus. I will live on campus as long as I could.

Cause I know when my brother went to the league, Ocho, he like, man, you want to live on campus? I sure do not. Savannah State provide room and board for free. I ain't trying to pay no folks five, $600. Boy, that's money in my pocket. Right. I'm gonna go eat in the cab,

take my ass in the cafeteria, eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I'm gonna shower, I'm gonna stay in the dorm with the rest of the team and save my money. That's what I would do too. Stay right there in that dorm, eat that dorm food. It ain't all that bad. Hey, then I go off every campus every once in a while,

get me a nice little meal. But, oh, man, please. I'm going to leave. I'm going to leave there with six and a half. I'm going to leave in half with six and a half, seven million. In my pocket, yeah. For sure. Absolutely. I like it. But the regulations go, yep. For sure. Absolutely.

I like it. But the regulations go couple. We talk about travel gear, or that's old. Coach Prime goes off when Travis Hunter snubbed for the Jim Thorpe war. Time blasted the fact that Travis Hunter, not selected as a finalist for the Jim Thorpe war, saying the omission was idiotic

and devalued the integrity of the war. Highest Travis snubbed by the Thorpe war. You can have my award, you can have mine back. Matter of fact, I'm going to give it mine. I ain't using it just sitting up there collecting dust so Travis can have my Thorpe award because if it ain't the most idiotic thing in college football, if he's not as violent for the Jim Thorpe award and he is, I would say arguably, but I don't think I'm really arguing about the young man being the best defensive back in college football. It just looks bad, Ocho.

The kid win the Heisman, the Heisman trophy. He's a defensive back. He's also a receiver. And you mean to tell me he's not one of the best three DBs in the country? We already know he is. Actually, we know he's the best DB. And that's why Prime planted that seed

maybe two or three weeks ago when he was in front of the media and understanding how they were gonna play games. How they were gonna play games based on how they feel about him, allowing their disdain and disgust for him personally to affect the success of the players on the team that are deserving of accolades

and what they've done this year in being the best player offensively and defensively on the field. He's already said it. So again, everything is coming to a head that he knew they were going to do. He knew they were gonna do this. I, it doesn't make sense to me.

Now he's nominated as one of the best defensive, I think it's the Nagurski Award, which is the best college defensive player, but not the best, so he one of the best college defense, isn't DB a defensive player? I thought, that's what I could be wrong with you, but I thought DB was on the defensive side of football. And because we've seen DBs win defensive player of the year, we saw Stephon Gilmore, Prime

won it, Rod Woodson won it. Yeah. Who else won it? I think Charles Woodson won it. Rod Woodson won it. So we've seen DBs win defensive player of the year, means they were the best defensive player that year. Okay, so you mean to tell me this man could possibly win the Heisman He's a finalist for the Nagurski award. Yeah, but he's not a palace for the Thorpe award. Yeah, it do You know they make their own rules on when you when you're in positions of power like that, and you're able to control the narrative,

this is the type of stuff they pull. This is the type of stuff they're able to pull. Cause you, I mean, come on, Ojo. I mean, you probably, did Charles Wilson win the Thorpe Award? He probably did. Did Woody win the Thorpe Award? Cause he won the Heisman, I'm sure he did.

Yeah, cause he was the best defensive player that year. Yeah. Funny. I mean the guy got- Funny how that works. Yeah. So, I don't know.

It just seems, it doesn't make sense to me that a guy could possibly win the Heisman and he plays defensive back, but he's not one of the best defensive back. He could win possibly the best defensive player of the year, but he's not the best DB. So how did, I've tried to figure out how did Miles Garrett win defensive player of the year,

but he's not one of the best defensive linemen. They make up the rules as they go. I was just saying, I was like, damn. They do what they wanna do. Clearly, they're making up the rules as they go. Ocho, Wallet Hub released the latest, most sinful cities in America. Okay.

Oh man, how y'all do this to me? Ocho, number one, Las Vegas. No, but Las Vegas is Sin City. So you should already know that. What goes in Vegas? Houston, Texas, look at Houston. What's Houston? What's number two?

Los Angeles. Okay. Number three. Atlanta. Atlanta's a jungle, boy. That's black Hollywood. Atlanta's a jungle. You got Philly, Denver, Colorado.

Why all these, all these places that I live? But you got a lot of- And y'all want, oh, choke. And they want to know why I am how I am. Right, right. Like you don't say I am whatever you say I am. If I wasn't, I wouldn't be here. I wouldn't be here.

I wouldn't be here. I wouldn't be here. I wouldn't be here. I wouldn't be here. I wouldn't be here. I wouldn't be here. I wouldn't be here. I wouldn't be here. But you got a lot of what oh Joe and they want to know why I am how I am right right I like you say I am whatever you say I am if I wasn't with you I would I say I am mm-hmm they tainted me Phoenix Arizona Miami Florida yep Miami Oh Joe that's your home about I don't go outside so you got nothing to worry about Dallas Texas in st. Louis Missouri I don't. Dallas, Texas, and St. Louis, Missouri.

I don't know what's kicking off in St. Louis. True, the lunatics. Ain't nobody doing no, ain't no, hey, first of all, the arc ain't the Eiffel Tower. Ain't nobody kissing under the arc. Don't know what he and y'all thinking. Chad, what y'all think about that, man? I like the list, but I wouldn't have Vegas as number one.

I would have Houston as number one. You just said Vegas is known as Sin City. Yeah, they've had that. How can somebody be known as Sin City? Listen, it's different though. Vegas has been Sin City for years. It's been Sin City for years. But Houston and Atlanta is a different world.

Now we done been to Houston. Now I don't go to Houston often. I've been there maybe four times in my life. I've been to Atlanta maybe five. I don't frequent those places often because I understand that's the devil's playground. And one thing about the devil, as much as I love God, it ain't gonna take much to backslide when you're in the wrong situation. Okay? I know my limits. I understand my limits. So I keep myself out of areas where I can get myself in trouble. Yes, that's outro.

Why you think I stay inside? Plug it up. Yes. Like Clint Eastwood said, every man got to know his limitations. Everybody got a vice. Mine is the opposite of nice. Can you see me? Yeah.

Hold on. It's called sight. I can't see you though. Hold on. My computer. Hold on. I can't see. It's called sight. I can't see you though. Hold on. My computer. Hold on. Oh, there you go.

You know, I don't, I can see you now. Yeah, I saw you all along. And when I plugged it up, it went to the loading screen. Yeah, it's a good topic right here. Well, you know, the city, the cities ain't nothing to play with, man. You know, you know, when you get old, as you get older, you know, you understand your limits, you understand what you can and what you can't do and you don't put yourself in certain situations

that can hurt you, you know, you have to make a decision. Now, I've been working on my discipline. I've been working on my discipline real well. Now, I'm not saying I'm the best. I walk with Christ, but I know if I walk through the mud, I might come out dirty. So I do my best to stay out the mud. You hear me? Yeah. You know, I know it might be raining.

I know it might be raining. So I don't, I don't take my umbrella. I just stay inside the house because I don't want to get wet. You with me? I'm with you. Are you picking up what I'm putting down? Yes, I do. Okay.

Come on now. Yeah. I mean, hey, hey, listen, I'm not, I'm not the best. You're right. I've missed my time. I'm not the best. I'm not the best. I'm not the best. I'm not the best. I'm not the best. I'm not the best. I'm with you. Are you picking up what I'm putting down? Yes, I do. Okay, come on now

Yeah, I mean hey, hey listen. I'm not I'm not the wrong. You're right. I'm not the best in the world I'm not perfect. I know it's 10 commandments and it's 10 commandments. Mm-hmm I might not get all 10 right but eight of them I ate of them. They're gonna be they're gonna be beautiful To make sure it all appears. What are the other two are? Hey, listen, hey, hey, I had to preach. I had a priest to one over here, you know, who's who's on the in there. You know, I'm come on now. I'm human. I'm human.

One of the greater things that that that you will always love about me is the good will always outweigh the bad. Yeah. Will you make any rational decisions like you've made before? You know, I want you to always remember that the good always outweighs the bad. And nothing is better than a trying man. Well, you know, I want you to always remember that the good always always a bad and nothing is better than a trying man. Well, you know, I tell what we do. Me and you're going to move to Houston.

I won't keep an eye on you. You keep an eye on me. Now. No, hey, that's a dogo for me. I was talking about doing it today. I was like, I'm like, what you think about Moot? She's like, Daddy. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. I don't want to talk that. Hey, you know, listen, you know what I do like about Houston, though?

I'm not going to say a lot to you. I like the move. I like the idea. I like the thought. I'm thinking about how much house you get in Houston. You get a bang for your buck. Oh, you get it. Oh, you talk about the structure. I thought you talk about another type of brick house. Oh, my bad. I misunderstood you.

I misunderstood you. My bad. My bad. Oh, Joe, you talk about a physical. You talk about a building, a structure. OK, OK, OK. I just misunderstood. We ought to say, OK, now I see what you put down. OK, because for a second I'm like, okay, okay. I just misunderstood. We ought to say, okay, now I see what you put down, okay? Because for a second I was like, okay, let me rewind,

rewind, press pause here for a second, rewind this, and now I'm gonna get played. Now I get what you're saying, okay, okay. Yeah, I don't want no part of that. I don't want no part of that. You right, Ocho. Yeah, man. Sometimes you just have to leave well enough alone.

Yeah, you got to. Sometimes you just have to admire things from a distance. Right, I like that. Man, I see cars like, man, that's a really nice car. I just admire from a distance. I'm like, my man, this you? Like, yeah, you like it? I say, I love it.

Sometimes you just admire from from the disc like damn. Yeah. But hey, Houston. Houston, Atlanta, listen, Houston and Atlanta is like going by the car lot, right? Going by the car lot. Yeah. You can see it and you know it look nice

and you can enjoy it using your visuals and your peripheral vision. Yeah. I don't need to go in there. Test drive at a younger me, the younger me. I'm going to pull over and I'm going to talk to I'm going to talk to the owner. Yeah, it was like, hey, what type of financing can I get?

Because I got good credit. Is it zero down, zero down and zero interest? But I don't be a Cause I got good credit. Is it zero down? Zero down and zero interest? Man, I know B.A. A. A, man. Damn. Every time we met you used to add to my, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, absolutely not.

Jord like I ain't moved, I done moved enough. George say I done moved three times in this out of year. George say I ain't moving no more. Let's say if y'all move again, y'all know y'all. Ocho. Yeah. We don't know if this is true, but this is what's reported. A woman left with a $20,000 hospital bill after husband refused to acknowledge her on his insurance

After she refused to name the son, Jr Wait, hold on. Hold on. Hold on bring that to me one more time. I Guess she was supposed to name the son, Jr. He was expecting her to name the son Junior, but because she didn't, he removed her from his insurance and so now she has a $20,000 insurance bill. I don't even blame him. What you mean you don't blame him?

I don't even blame him. Now you having my first son, you having my child, you having my boy, and my lineage, my family lineage on my first child, he's not a junior. Like, what are you doing? You ain't got no Chad Junior. Chad Junior, Arizona State, remember? Oh, OK, yes, yeah.

Come on, man. Oh, yeah, you know, and just come on. That that just that that that that goes without saying. Matter of fact, the wife of the Mrs. In this case, in this scenario, she should want that for her son. But no, what she wants to do with her way. And what she envisions, that's that's that's that's that's what's right. That's about doing what's right.

My dad wanted me to be the man you're having a child from, allowing him to have his junior. That ain't asking for much. Do I look like a junior? You? Yeah. My daddy wanted me to be a junior so bad. My mama say, not this one.

No. Hell no. My mama ain not not this one. No Damn, no Mama play that My mommy bae, look here man. My mom she got too much of my granddad to her My mom ran and my mom did she named all of us. Yeah. Oh, he have no say. Mm-hmm. Not one name. He picked out right So here it is. Right. Sherra, Sterling and Shannon.

That's it. There it is. That's it. That's it. And I look exactly like my dad. I'm talking about the only difference is my dad had an Afro, had a pro. Yay.

Hey, you should go get your pro out. Man, you crazy. Man, my grandfather rolled over in his grave. Absolutely not, absolutely not. I mean, this is, I mean, people would be like, huh? I wouldn't even know how about look if my hair were to grow. Yeah.

Hey, Chet. It ain't gonna grow no pro now. Somebody make a do it AI. Somebody do AI with Uncle for the fro, man. I mean, I bald about as long as I ever went without a haircut, I went October, let's see, October, November, December, anywhere. I went like four months without getting a haircut.

Why, because y'all was losing? We were losing. I knew it, I knew it, I knew you was gonna say that. We started losing and then the barber came. I brought my barber up from Atlanta. So he started cutting my hair. But, and we lost. I was like, nah, you can't come back.

I said, you come back. I mean, I let him come back cause he was from Harrisburg. Right. Which is like 40 miles from Baltimore. And so I would let him come up, I'd get him a rental car, he'd be like, hey, you need, hey, nope, I want no cut.

He'd bring his slippers just in case. He'd drive to Harrisburg, he'd come back for the game, drive to the airport, that was it. So I went from like middle of October all the way to the end of January before I got a haircut. Nah, I'm very superstitious. I like, Oh no, no, no. My grandfather, no, my grandfather, they played that.

He, the long hair, my grandfather had a part. Me and my brother had parts. No. All right. Get him. I know Joe. Get him. Boosie fade.

This is what I got. I got to look, man. You know, I got to get a cut tomorrow. I got to call the guy. See, can he cut me out tomorrow? Because you know. What's tomorrow? What's tomorrow? Friday. I know, but where you going?

I ain't going nowhere. Going to hell if I don't start praying, Mo. So, what you getting the haircut for if you ain't going nowhere? Damn, I can't get no haircut. I mean, just you getting the haircut just to get a haircut for no reason and you ain't got nowhere to go? No. Oh.

I mean, I normally get a haircut for a couple of days. I mean, I normally get a haircut for a couple of days. I mean, I normally get a haircut for a couple of days. I mean, I normally get a haircut for a couple of days. I mean, I normally get a haircut for a couple of days. I mean, I normally get a haircut for a couple of days. I mean, I normally get a haircut for a couple of days. I mean, I normally get a haircut haircut. I mean, you getting a haircut just to get a haircut for no reason and you ain't got nowhere to go? No. Oh.

I mean, I normally get a haircut twice a week. Damn. Yeah. Your shit grow fast. It does. But you know, I like to look presentable. To for whom? You never know.

So for who? You never know. I might move, I might all of a sudden, I might move to Houston, don't let y'all know. I might be doing the show remote. But listen, if you move to Houston, if you move to Houston, I'll move to Houston too. Huh? You move to Houston, I'll move to Houston too.

You ain't moving to Houston, I'm not moving. Okay, well I'm not moving Houston too. You ain't moving to Houston. I'm not moving. Okay. Well, I'm not moving to Houston. I ain't moving either then. I understand. Oh Joe, I know Shannon. I know me. I know me better than anybody. Right, right, right, right.

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Q and A, who play tomorrow? Who play tomorrow? Oh, the Ravens play Philly is the big game. Tomorrow? I mean, not tomorrow. Kansas City play the Raiders. Okay. But I'm thinking of day Saturday.

Okay. Black Friday game is the Raiders go to the Chiefs. Hey, hold on, hold on. Speaking of Black Friday, you going shopping tomorrow? It start, it start. Hey, hold on. Hold on speaking of Black Friday. You going shopping tomorrow? It starts it starts my shell in my shop it starts it starts at this morning right or am I tripping I got it wrong Black Friday today Thursday. I'm saying it start five in the morning today It might start at midnight. Yeah, I think I'm gonna go ahead. I'm gonna go ahead. I'm gonna go here Yeah, you can shop for 84 calm.. I mean we got black friday sales

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Hey make sure y'all go on 84.com man. Get what you need get what you need Yeah, i'm going to target after this then colorado plays tomorrow colorado plays oklahoma state tomorrow On a friday. Yeah, okay. I like that. They normally would play they normally would play, uh, uh, nebraska That used to be the game, Colorado, Nebraska, the day after Thanksgiving. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Oh, we got some good games there. Yeah, we do, we do.

I mean, the Kansas City game, but I think that's an early game. What time that game come on? Three? Kansas City. Oh, okay. Kansas City, uh Okay Yeah, oh you would know what time yet after the Colorado game Not a young

Damn who play in that am Damn. Who playing 9 a.m.? Colorado playing 9 a.m. West Coast time, which would be 11 a.m. their time. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. So for me, what time did you?

No, 10, 10 because they're mountain. They're mountain. They're mountain. Yeah. So that's 12 o'clock here. Okay, five. We're all at 5pm Pacific, 8pm Eastern. Okay.

All right, Ochoa, it's time for our last segment of the evening. It's time for Q&A. We already did it? Yeah. We run it again. Felo speaks that thanks, Nightcap. This is amazing for these athletes to commit on Nightcap. Let's go on Kenosha. Yes.

And thank you, Coach Prine, for making this happen. We appreciate that. Anytime we can assist, we greatly, greatly appreciate that. Thank you to all the young men that made their announcement here on nightcap We appreciate that we support you and we'll be following you down the road Uh cats, uh, whatever your name is we four for four like wendy's meal I'm taking he's a colorado fan Yes. Yes

Josh gates, uh, how do you like the new Bears play caller? Caleb has been playing better. He has. But sometimes you can't outplay bad coaching. Yeah, ooh, that's a good one. And then listen, if you do outplay bad coaching, that means you have to go off script from what you're being told to do. No, he's making some throws.

Guys are making plays for him, Keenan Allen. Keenan Allen ran a whip Zorro. Hey, that shit was beautiful. Wait, listen, stop. First of all, you had a whole pressure get there. They need to hang that in the Lavor, Lavera, whatever the museum is called. The Louvre.

The Louvre. It's the Louvre. That shit was beautiful. Yes, but here's the thing, Ocho, unless pressure gets there, there's no way you could defend that. Yeah. Because, okay, if you're on the whip,

and now once he gives you the zone roll, like he's going back out, you go bite. You gotta go. You got to. Yeah. Because you don't want him to option away from you. Now you bite, and now he takes off again. Yeah.

And they got him dead, right? They got him in man coverage. They run somebody through the zone to take the linebacker with him. And now it's one-on-one and the guy's already outside. So he's outside, you run the whip, you pause it, you fake like you got to go back out. He hesitate and now you take off.

Every time. That's a route that's gonna win 10 out of 10. 10 out of 10, I'll give a damn who the DBL. Unless pressure gets there, you're not stopping that route. Ryan did say, what's up, I'm Ganocho, let's go my lives. We had about four of our five defensive players leave game due to early injuries. Tough next two game also, what a terrible

first half challenge for the Bears, plus the rest were terrible today. 11 and one. Yeah, you guys, you had a couple of linebackers. I think Campbell ended up leaving the game. One of your linebackers, your starting linebackers already out of the game. And that second day, man, that second day we getting killed. Yeah. Oh, okay.

Yeah, you put it back up in there. Sometimes you have to overcome that. Sometimes you have to overcome when calls don't go your way. You know, you're not having the best outing. You just have to find a way to win ballgames. A really good team can find a way to win ball games. The really good teams can find a way to win ball games. Right. Asked about the Lions run a bad look within the defensive front seven, Dan Campbell said,

had the expected response, let me ask you, does it really matter? Like, who cares? That's what I go back to. It doesn't matter, either it is or it isn't. We gotta get guys back, we don't get a guy back and worrying about that and moaning about it and B-I-T- it and be itch about it

It's like he called right it was like call. I know whoever's available is available We're not gonna get ready to play we expect them to hold the line period You've got to do your job and everybody around you. It's looking for you to do your job. I Like the matter of factness. I like it But then you and I both know at some point in time, you keep running out of next guys. Oh yeah. You might get that. Well, you might get away with one or two next guys, next guy up. You start getting four or five, six, seven next.

But I, but I like that mentality because Dan Campbell is not an excuse guy. He doesn't give his guys an excuse, because a lot of times, the coach is like, hey guys, we got, you know, hey, we look under man, no, we ain't under man. Next man up, baby. Isaiah Lancaster, Uncle Nocho, do you trust Jalen Hurts or Jerry Goff

if both teams meet in the NFC Championship game? Ooh, that's a good one. It all comes down. That's a very good one. It all comes down to decision making. I've seen I've seen Jerry Golf throw five in the sevens in the game. Yeah, he's seen Jaylen Hurts throw five in the sevens in the game. Mm hmm. So Saquon Barkley can take some of the pressure off of

off a goddamn dinner so he doesn't have to put the ball in harm's way but again jimmy gives and god damn right montgomery can also take the pressure off of jerry gulf so he didn't put the ball in harm's way so a game like that ain't no telling what's gonna happen the team that makes the fewest mistakes wins that. Based on the way the Eagles front has been playing now, both teams are built front to back, great offensive line back towards the running back quarterback. Great defensive line moving backwards, feeling great defensive line, moving backwards, uh, office of line, feeling moving backwards. That would be a real, that's a real heavyweight fight.

Both teams have outstanding offensive line play. Sue Zeidler, a rag now Decker who's, who's out outstanding. And then you go Dixon and you go, uh, uh, uh, Lane Johnson, you go my lot of. Obviously, you know, you hurts and say Kwan. That's going to be. I don't think I don't, I think everybody thinks that's going to be the matchup that we're going to end up seeing probably in the NLC championship game. Samuel Griffin said, happy Thanksgiving.

Uncle Nocho did guys have any type of relationship with John Madden? Uh, what was he like behind the scene? What you see on the screen? Um, I was very fortunate enough before Ocho got I don't know if Ocho ever I don't know you made the all man team of course I made the all man team 96 myself and 98 93 I made it five times. And so, you know. I made it six. But he was great. You know, he, you know, he just he was a regular guy, but he was, you know, he was animated behind the scenes, just like he was in front of the camera.

Obviously, he loved the game. He loves talking about the game. He loved getting to know the players, their personalities, kind of what made them tick. But he was great. I think I like, and when you made the, I mean, he used to have great awards. I mean, people, honestly, Ocho, people look forward, more forward to making

an all-man team than they did a pro bowl. Oh yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. He gave, you got a jacket, you got a sweatshirt. I mean, I still have all the sweat. Well, the last sweatshirt I got, and not in my year in Denver, I ended up giving it, I gave the jacket to,

I think I gave the jacket to Byron Chamberlain, and I gave the hoodie to House Carswell. So, you know, I had a great relationship with my guys that were in the tight end room. So I gave one the jacket, one the hoodie. And they used to give you trophies. You see, like Michael Parson, one that's over in Derrick golf. But he's also in the trophies was heavy. I'm talking about heavy.

That trophy is way like 20 pounds. Yeah, they put they put they put some effort into it. And that it was. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. But he was he was great behind the scenes. I never played, I never... Nah, we played, I ain't get to eat the turkey leg because Barry Sanders got to eat the turkey leg that day because he ran all over us.

Boy, he was a real deal, boy. We played a Detroit on Thanksgiving. That's all I'm gonna say. We played in the early 90eties when they was on Thanksgiving, they might lose all their games, but it will be hell out of somebody on Thanksgiving. And that was us. So, uh, now I didn't, I didn't get no turkey legs. Kyle Payson under note your work with your best college matchups.

College. That's a good thing. Probably the Valley, Albany State. Fam you cook me. And I mean, I listen, I even go to fan, but you have to understand my upbringing and being at the classic since 1984 until I graduated high school. That's all I knew. And then I understood about the other collegiate games that were good. The Ohio State, the Michigan's, the Oregon State, Oregon. But for me, that's what I knew

first. From at the level, Fami and Bethune Quickman. That was all I knew. Yeah. I missed those days playing FAM, the Valley, not FAM, I'm talking about FAM, the Valley, Albany State. Those were probably our, you know, probably our biggest rivals. You know, that's where they put that work on them though. Mayhem Matthew, do you think if Georgia wins tomorrow, they're a lock for the playoffs, even if they lose the SEC Championship title game

and have three losses? Yes. I think Georgia's going. They're taking two SEC teams. Now, it seems like Texas is gonna be one of them, because they only have that, if they take care of their business tomorrow, what do you got, Texas A&M? what do you got Texas A&M or they be Texas A&M

Texas okay they got Texas A&M they win that game they're going to the SEC they going right they're taking two teams from the SEC oh yeah most definitely period oh definitely you can they're gonna take they're gonna take two teams maybe three from the big ten can Can I tell you why? Why? Oh, yeah. Georgia draw. That's why they like they're hoping somebody falls just so they can get Alabama in there, too. They take it. They take it. Because y'all get all the other teams, the teams don't travel like that.

Y'all don't drop the football king in the south. They go travel. Bama go travelall don't travel. Football king in the south. They gonna travel. Bama gonna travel. Texas gonna travel. Georgia gonna travel. We sure Oregon gonna travel? We sure Boise State gonna travel? We sure Indiana gonna travel?

Are we sure, Ocho? I'll get Ocho, love you guys. Speaking into existence. Y'all will be doing play by play commentating for NFL games, go Ocho, love you guys. Speaking into existence, y'all will be doing play-by-play commentating with NFL games go to Netflix and we'll be featured on Madden Video Game. Now that, that Ocho might wanna call games. I want no part of calling games.

I don't want that kind of prep. Yeah, I'm calling the game. When the Chiefs, the Chiefs in the Texas play on the 21st of December, if I'm not mistaken. So I'm gonna have my first hand in the booth, you know, calling the game play by play. I like to thank Peacock and Madden for the opportunity to continue to diversify my portfolio and allow my list of jobs to

now reach a staggering number of 879 and 11 jobs, you know, in the season. So I'm grateful, I'm blessed, my cup is running over. And again, I'm thankful for the opportunity. And all of you make sure you tune in. December 21st, Houston, Texas, Kansas City, Madden, Peacock, your boy is in the booth. Make sure you check it out. And I promise you, I'm not gonna curse. That concludes this edition of Nightcap. Thank you guys for joining us. Green Bay Packers 30, Miami 17, the Dallas Cowboys 27, the Giants 20, and the Detroit

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Oh, we got, and we got a drop coming tomorrow. Why do I don't know? Why won't nobody drop? Wait, what drop we got? What drop we got so I can order my shit? I don't know, don't start me lying, Ocho, cause I don't know. I Wait, what drop you got? What drop you got? So I can order my shit. I don't know. Don't start me lying. Oh, Joe, because I don't know.

I'm just finding out about right now. I mean, I need to drop early so I could wear. Good luck with that. Oh, Joe. I've been saying the same thing. London Merritt, Alec McPherson, Quentin Gibson, and Cardi Bossman Smith, all tonight declared that they're headed to the Colorado CU to join Coach Prime and his staff up there.

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