Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Daniel Jones waived, Jets fire GM, Robert Kraft passed over by HOF

Episode Date: November 27, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from Week 12 of the NFL season including New York Giants waiving QB Daniel Jones, the New York Jets fire GM Joe Douglas, Robert Kraft is passed over yet again by NFL Hall of Fame and much more!03:13 - Daniel Jones officially waived by the Giants06:45 - All-time Broncos vs. All-time Bengals12:21 - Daniel Jones/Giants rumors20:29 - Jets fire GM Joe Douglas27:39 - Micah Parsons apologizes for Mike McCarthy comment35:10 - Robert Kraft passed over for Hall of Fame again42:00 - Unc and Ocho unpack the NFL burglaries(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That escalated quickly, Ocho. Daniel Jones got officially been waved by the Giants. Saquon Barkley rooting for a fresh start for Jones. Jones went to go to a team, go to a playoff team. Huh? Well say that again. Wait, read that for me again.

Read that for me again real slow. Read it for me again. What's that? What I'm gonna do, I'm gonna press rewind and then I'm gonna hit play. Daniel Jones wants to go to a play. Daniel Jones wants to go to a playoff. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Let me, let me, let me get this straight. So Daniel Jones wants to go to a playoff team. He not, he wants to go to a playoff team where they already have a quarterback in place, but I'm assuming he wants to go to a playoff team. So we know the field likes to win. And maybe be the backup. I'm assuming that's that. What do you mean by saying it?

I don't think he means to actually start or contend or compete to be the starting quarterback for a team that always has a start or starting quarterback. Right. According to Adam Schepter, Jones is expected to have multiple options, but likely would prefer to finish this season on a playoff contending team, where he would be involved in big games rather than going to a bimandering quarterback needed team, not remotely in playoff contention. But if they got, if they're going, if you go into a team, you're not, I mean,

I think that has to be what he means. That has to be what he means. But he's already mentioned the playoffs. Think about this real quick. I don't mean to break it down. I'm not sure how good you are with being able to name all the quarterbacks in the league. But think about all the teams that are in playoff contention or even in the hunt. Even in the hunt, huh? I mean, how many teams actually need a quarterback?

And the one that... None of them need a playoff hook. That's the whole point. So I think he just wants to experience knowing what it feels like to win and to be, you know, be competing in the playoffs or being in contention in general. It has to be what he means. Go to the couch. But here's my thing, Ocho. When I look at it, maybe he needs to go somewhere with a different culture.

Because sometimes it is culture. You get, you get caught up, Ocho. The way they coach and the way they do things, and maybe that's not conducive for you. You get into a new situation, they practice different, they meet different, the coaches coach you different, they talk to you different. I don't know, look, when I heard it, I'm like,

oh, you wanna go to them. I can see, Ocho, you're a wide receiver. You're a running back. You're a defensive player. Okay, I get that, because there's an opportunity, but there's only one, because all the other positions, you can have multiple positions at the same time on the field, but when you're a quarterback,

you can only have one. So, and I'm looking, I'm like, well, so, going to a team that's in playoff consideration or conjecture. Right. What are you going to do? Oh my goodness. I mean, it has to make sense.

The only thing that makes sense is based on what he's saying, he wants to be somewhere where maybe he's not going to be the starter. We know he's not going to be a starter, but I want to be somewhere where I can be on a team, where I can be a backup. If need be, I can help, but I would like to know what it feels like to be somewhere where I can be on a team, where I can be a backup. If need be, I can help, but I would like to know what it feels like to be contending or be challenging for a playoff spot with that team.

That, that, that, that, hello, that got to be it, obviously. Yeah. So you want that leg, press play again. That was a good one, that was a good one. That was a real good one. Elijah Martin said one question. So you Elijah Martin said one question if the all-time Broncos played the all-time

Stop stop holding Oh Joe the man Y'all got gonna stop me. Oh, no, but oh Joe. Yeah, who y'all gonna stop who y'all got? No, y'all got gonna stop me? Ocho. Nobody? Ocho. Who y'all gonna stop? Who y'all got gonna stop? Ocho, y'all got one Hall of Fame player. You got two. Who? Me. Y'all got one Hall of Fame player, Munoz.

He say we got two. I don't need them people validation. You got one Hall of Fame player? No, no. So I guess you a hundred millionaire. You a billionaire too. No, I got about nine, probably about 82 million. Hey, all I'm saying is that we would beat the breaks off y'all. If you take y'all best of seven, chat, open the chat up. Who y'all think winning? The chat don't know, they wouldn't even know I'm playing.

We're going to take the Broncos' best 11 players, offensively. Who y'all back winning back of your damn head. How you gonna, all I need is two seconds. Ain't nobody getting back there before two seconds. Oh Lord have mercy. Oh Joe, well if y'all was that good, why y'all didn't win more games? Why y'all didn't win those Super Bowls? I ain't got nothing to do with that.

It's a team game, I'm talking about me. I'm talking about me. Da da. Talk about me. Da da. Who gonna stop me is what I ask you. Somebody stopped your ass in Cincinnati. Y'all didn't win no playoff games.

So somebody stopped you. It's a team game. Somebody stopped you. It's a team game with your 11 against our 11. It's a team game. No, no, no, no. Somebody stopped you. You trying to change the goddamn topic.

I ask you a specific question on who the hell finna stop me. Somebody stopped you.. Nobody stopped you! So who stopped you when you played with the Bengals? Nobody. How many playoff games did you win? Huh? How many playoff games did you win?

I don't know. It's a team game. I'm still talking. Also, thank you! It's a team game! Our team is nothing to yours! Why are you not trying not to hear? You're not listening to the goddamn question. I said you. You is singular. I didn't say nothing about us. Okay, OJ. You can have 500 yards and y'all still getting the hell kicked out of you. Now, how about that? Hey.

Who gonna stop me? Hey, who? Who gonna stop Shannon? Oh, I can... You want me to tell you who gonna stop you? Bentley. What? I can tell you who gonna stop me? Hey, who? Who gonna stop Shannon? Oh, you want me to tell you who gonna stop you? Bentley. I can tell you who gonna stop you. Oh, by the time we get Vaughn Miller, we get D-Ware, we get Steve Atwater,

we got Chan Bailey, y'all not moving the football. Who blocking Vaughn? Hey, everybody you just named scared of me. Who blocking Vaughn? Everybody you just named, Big Willie. I don't know who blocking Vaughn Miller. Anthony M named Big Willy. How do I know who's blocking Vaughn Miller? Anthony Munoz? Anthony Munoz? Big Willy? Now what? Now what? Man, we going by y'all. Boy, we gonna beat the breakers up y'all.

Man, I ran that white ass over, man. What you talking about, man? You know what? I'm gonna say, don't hit him too hard, Ad. Don't hit him too hard. He don't feel no better. Hey listen, you know, I don't care about getting hit either. Hey, me and Champ, me and Champ had some good battles, boy. But we had some good battles. That's my boy there. I love him.

We gon' kill, boy, we gon' kill y'all, Ocho. Listen, I mean, I know it's a hypothetical, but it ain't sweet as you think it is. Oh, it's sweeter? I know it's a hypothetical. We it ain't sweet as you think it is. Oh, it's sweeter? I know it's a hypothetical. We got Cham, we got Louis Mike, we got Akeed Tlaib, we got Chris Harris Jr., man, we got Antwada, we got Dennis Smith, we got John Lynch,

we got Brian Dawkins, oh lord, how mercy. Everything you just named, I'm running through. And with a smile on my face. This man could say, he said it's a team game. I just said our team go beat yours. Then he gonna talk about who's stopping him. I thought it was a team game. Nobody, I just, listen, the team ain't here right now.

Have you ever had a hundred yard receiving game in the playoffs? Me? Me? You talking to me? The conversation with the bingo, the all time great bingo. Hold on. Are you sure? Cause that might chase and downtown, and downtown Eddie Brown and Ivan Curtis, you might not even be on the roster. Why you bumping your guts?

Are you crazy? You better look at the motherfucker receiving lead in every goddamn statistical category for the Bengals. You must you done bumped your head. Who you talking to? Why you over there talking? You talk you're packing up chains. If Ivy Curtis is downtown, Eddie Brown.

Hey, now, don't don't don't get too crazy like you got COVID over there. Like, you know, forgot. Hey, I'm going get too crazy like you got COVID over there. Like you forgot. Hey, hey, hey, hey, I'm going to leave on you and snatch your gold. You know what? You know what? Put him on me. And snatch your gold. Bet he take your chain.

He Muslim? I bet he take your chain. Hey, I bet he be eating pork when I'm done with him. I bet he take your chain. I bet he be eating pork when I'm done with him. I ain't even worried about to leave. Hell yeah. You got the right one. You see what he did to Cramtree. Put him over there by himself. We gonna win the game. A whole lot to a few. I promise you. No you ain't. Trust me you ain't. Now I'm gonna talk your whole

defense out of the game before the game even start. Daniel Jones seemed to say goodbye Ocho to the Giants and their fans in today's statement to the media and according to Jordan Schultz there is disappointment among some giant players regarding how Daniel Jones situation was handled over the past week especially with players aware it's primarily a financial decision by the organization. Dexter Lawrence publicly stated on Tuesday, he's quarterback one to me. To me, he's the best quarterback on the team. One offensive player told Shostsov the phone, we're not idiots.

They did this because of money. So be it. But Daniel Jones has been all class, never complained, and is not being completely disregarded. The team record is bad. You can point fingers everywhere. Try to blame him, it's trash. And making him third string is weak as F

The sense versus the organism within the organization goes far beyond just one person. I love I love the players are saying this and all the right things Obviously because they're on yeah, yeah, but your team for anybody if they don't know even though you are playing the game of football You're only good as your quarterback You only is the person who's at the helm playing the game of football, you're only good as your quarterback. You only as good as the person who's at the helm, you're in control of the offense, being able to make the right, the right and the wrong decisions. I mean, that's just what it is. You know, I respect Dexter Lawrence and what he's having to say and some of

those other players being upset, but how can you be upset? Have you watched Daniel Jones play the past three years? Oh, y'all got so much to say now, Ocho. Why don't y'all got so much to say now Ocho, why ain't y'all play better? Now everybody got about to play. All that talking, you're talking your ass off now. Right. What about play your ass off? Daniel Jones you play better. Everybody that got a comment, play better. Well it's long can't pass off though. So we really can't we really can't say nothing about him. He's one of the best in the league but they have to understand the business. He's one of the best in the league, but they have to understand the business.

They have to understand the nature of the business, especially when it comes to the money aspect of why they're benching him and making him third string quarterback. So because of that injury clause, if he happens to get hurt, because which he probably would do, if they do allow him to stay in there,

some type of injury will pop up out of nowhere for that $20 million. Yeah. Yeah. $23 million. Yeah. But here's the thing, Oncho. So y'all make it seem as if it's about just this year. What about last year? How was he last year? Okay, he got hurt. But look at his body of work. His body of work doesn't justify $40 million and it definitely doesn't justify running the risk. It wasn't like y'all going anywhere anyway. Y'all make it seem like they bitched a man

like they did Russell Wilson last year. Y'all trash. Okay, trash is a very harsh word. Y'all sanitation. Y'all a landfill. So where you going? Oh, choke. They make it seem like they had a chance for the playoffs

if they'd have left Daniel Jones in there. Daniel, all Daniel Jones gonna do is look worse and worse and worse. Fans are gonna have to, the fans will probably already stop showing up. But what about getting out of this? Daniel Jones is not going to be in the, in New York next year. So what about getting out of that? I'm not winning. He's not gonna be there. So what do I get by leaving his ass in the game

and continue to score for it, Coach O? I got a question though. I'm confused. Anytime that players get benched, is it normal for quarterbacks to apologize? No, what do you apologize for? You could blame better. I don't know if I've quite seen that before.

Or is it because it's in New York So it's a little different, you know, I respect what he had to say I respect we had to say as far as you know being grateful for the opportunity, but like come on, man Bro, I mean come on man. This is look. Mm-hmm. This is pro sports And when there's only two things you can get. Is it? Wins and losses. That's it.

That's how you're judged. He's lost more than he's won. Okay. They say, well, it's not only quarterback. Well, who the mofo that gets the credit when they win? They ain't mention no office alignment. They're not mentioning Dexter Lawrence. They're not mentioning the linebackers.

Who they mention? So the problem that I got is that when they, a lot of times people are like, well, it's a team game, but y'all blame the quarterback. When you like, here's the thing. When you like somebody, it's a team game. When you don't, it's not. Yeah.

It's really that simple. You and I played this it's not. Yeah. It's really that simple. You and I played this game long enough to understand how the dynamic of it worked. I don't care how good, in today's game, you can't put a team, a great enough team around if your quarterback stinks. Back, you could, before they changed all these rules, you could run the football, you could play outstanding defense, and you could, before they changed all these rules, you could run the football,

you could play outstanding defense, and you could hide your quarterback. You could no longer hide him. He's the only position that you cannot hide anymore. Because if you got a weak corner, Ocho, I play cover too. I roll coverage is weight. Right.

I can help him. If I got a weak offensive line, I can just slide protection, or I can tail the back, chip your way out. If I got a terrible quarterback, what the hell am I gonna do? Hand the ball off 65 times? Not in this game, not in this past, you can't. Not today's game, no, absolutely not.

You gonna get exposed. And the thing that I love most about sports, but love especially NFL, you gotta update your resume. People don't give a damn what you've done in the past. Look what they got to do right now, Ocho. He's a Super Bowl champ and. Well, he won the MVP and. What are you doing right now?

Those trophies are on his mantle. Those awards are on his mantle. Those accolades is on his resume. Well, what does that got gotta do it right now? What Nightcap did in 2023, ain't got is to do with 24. And 24 ain't gonna have is to do with 25. We've got to keep getting better. And we gonna keep the hammer down, getting better.

Better graphics, better editing, better social. We gonna get better at everything. That's what we do. And if we don't, better social. We're going to get better at everything. That's what we do. And if we don't, I won't need to know why we're not getting better. And I don't like to ask questions. I really don't. We ain't asking shit. Nah, I'm not a guy that let me ask questions. Because by the time I come to you to ask

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Douglas was 30 and 64 during the Jets tenure and never snipped the playoffs. The juicy of all was Woody Johnson wanted to bench Aaron Rodgers just four weeks into the season and for the first time in his career, he was able to win the first place in the game. He was a great player. He was a great player. He was a great player. He was a great player.

He was a great player. He was a great player. He was a great player. He was a great player. He was a great player. He was a great player. He was a great player. He was a great player.

He was a great player. He was a great player. He was a great player. He was a great player. He was a great player. He was a great player. Douglas was 30 and 64 during the Jets tenure and never snipped the playoffs. The juicy of all was Woody Johnson wanted to bench Aaron Rogers just four weeks into the season in favor of Tyrod Taylor. The coaches present in the meeting were stunned, according to our report. And rightfully so. Johnson backed off. But five Robert Sala a week later, five Robert Sala demoted Nathaniel Hattie. Now I asked you who was next. See Green Bay guys smart, Green Bay's in hell.

Y'all, you're in for the get me up out of here. Matt LaFleur and Brian Gunikis and Mark Purper. Puddy Johnson won the bench Aaron Rodgers in week four for Tyra Taylor, right? So the elephant in the room who always been the problem. So you're doing all this firing where you're not getting, putting the right person in the place that needs to be. But how you gonna, you gonna bet you, I ain't never seen nobody bench a quarterback

that make that kind of money either. He would have, yeah. So the Woody Johnson, he would have. So now Joe Douglas gone. So. But you, Woody, you do realize they use your jet to go fly to see Aaron Rodgers You do realize you signed up on all this. So where's your co-coach? You know, he can't buy itself, but also they're expecting to get the Aaron Rodgers to bowl. They're expecting to get the Aaron Rodgers

They got an old Aaron Rodgers They got an old Aaron Rodgers. Bro, everybody ain't gonna be. So you thought they was going to turn right around after Tom Brady did what he did. You thought so soon right after that, another guy was going to do that. What allowed Brady to play as long as he did and as well as he, he had no major injury after he suffered that ACL injury. That was in 2008. So up until that as he had no major injury after he suffered that ACL injury. That was in 2008. So up until that, he had no injuries.

He had no hamstrings. He had no injuries that really caused him to miss time. Aaron Rodgers was coming off one of the most serious injury a player in sports can suffer. The Achilles injury. Plus he's sporting. I don't think he takes the game as serious as Tom as well. Yeah, he doesn't take the game as serious.

Of course not. Two different types. He never has. Two totally different types of quarterbacks, especially when it comes to their approach to the game and the seriousness of it and the way they take it. So I could understand if you're coming off an injury like that and you already don't take it serious, You do what you need to do to get back. It's in good graces and health to play

But your approach is still wrong because everything you do talk about when you're on TV it has nothing to do with the game of football Nothing oh you Know I just don't understand every time he, it never has anything to do with damn football. Or some shit I gotta look up in the goddamn dictionary on a goddamn computer. Are you talking about going into the dark and he's talking about these trips and he's talking about this and talking about that?

Nothing about building team camaraderie, building team chemistry. And when he could have been built, he could have been doing that. He was in Egypt talking about a trip. Everybody knows what that mandatory meeting camp, you don't plan nothing around that Ocho because that's the one that you got to be at. Oh, let me, everybody that understands what the word mandatory means has to be there.

But what he failed to realize, what he did in Green Bay ain't got nothing to do. They want to see what you're going to do for the Jets. You heard Tarber. I said it when I went to Baltimore, them Pro Bowl, those all pros, those Super Bowl, that ain't got, I've done nothing in Baltimore. I've got to come in, work my ass off to let them see how I became the player I became, why I was there. Peyton said it. Tom so eloquently laid it out.

He's like, what is it? What I accomplished in New England got to do with Tampa? Tampa getting, Tom getting his teammates. Hey, let's go to the park. It's in COVID. We ain't supposed to be in the park. We don't have to throw our ass out. That shit was funny.

Payton getting his guys together. He grabbed up Julius and Decker and Julius Thomas and no Sean. Hey, let's go throw guys. I think Stokely was there at the time. Or Welker. Let's go, hey, let's go throw. Let's, let's, let's build up some chemistry. Let's build up a bond. Let's get to know. Let me,

let me tell you where I want to throw the foot. You tell me where you want the ball and let me tell you what I'm looking for on this route. Nah, let me go over to Egypt. I've already got this trip planned. Hey, so it is what it is. got this trip planned. Hey, so it is what it is. He wanted, if, if I'm the jets, I need somebody to explain to me, why would I want every year? Yes. If, if Aaron Rogers is not done, if he's not done, he's signed two years, didn't he?

Oh, he has another year? I'm sure he does. Right. But for what? Tell me why do I want him, Mocho? What am I getting? A 41-year-old that's a year older than what he is now? So what? He's going to gain speed? He's going to get faster?

You know what a better question is, if you don't want him next year, what's your next option? What's your next viable option where you can compete and you can contend? Can I compete with Aaron Rodgers? You're telling me what I can't do without him. What can I do with him? They're three and eight. So tell me what can I do with him? Cause I can be three and eight without him

and save 50 million. Hell, you ain't last place in the division. If you finish last place in the division with him, I can't finish last place in the division with him, I can't finish last place in the division without him? But hey, you understand, you know how difficult that position is, how difficult it is to find a quarterback for that position. You know that.

It takes a while. Yes. Have they found one? They got one in the position. Have they lost a quarterback for that position? That's the last time they had one. Think about that. That's even better question.

He's been there two years. We're going to disregard that. No. Do they got a quarterback right now? They thought they had. Take Rogers off the back of the jersey. No. You bringing that guy back next year? No. If he does get the grace to come back next year, it's because of what he's done in the past. If he does get the grace to come back next year, it's based off what he's done in the past. Oh, he's gonna get some grace. Absolutely. Based on that alone.

Michael Parsons apologizes for Mike McCarthy comment. When I'm talking about here, I'm thinking about the Dallas Cowboys. I have no reference. I was in the middle school, elementary school, and Mike McCarthy was a Packer. See what I'm saying? Not a student of the game. Most players are historians of the game. The really good ones? Ask TJ Watt about the defensive player. Ask TJ Watt about the history of the game. Move forward. I was a member, Mike McCarthy was with the Packers. I have no reference to that. Wow, I wouldn't even say that.

Yeah. See, remember we talked about Anthony Richardson and how he shouldn't say certain things. See, if you keep your mouth closed, people won't know what you don't know. But when you open your mouth, you remove all doubt. I have no reference. So obviously no disrespect to his career

and what he made for himself is one of the most winning coaches. I could have no reference. So obviously no disrespect to his career and what he made for himself is one of the most winning his coaches. I could have done better. But I thought you didn't say anything. Who apologizes for nothing, Ocho? Because of the backlash on what he said. The context of what you said and the way... But if you're right, I'm standing on it. Are you standing on it too? You ain't apologizing when Ocho right? Hell, you don't want to apologize when you're wrong. So I don't damn with GD. Well, you ain't apologizing when you're right. But anyway, let me continue this.

Long face you, I am. I think people would take that out of context. OK, they took it how you said it. I wanted to hurry. I wanted to hurry up out of the locker room. Next time I'll be very careful about what I say. So that's my apologies. What'd you think about that? You should have kept his mouth closed, huh?

We'd have never knew what he didn't know. You don't know what you don't know. And people don't know what you don't know until you open your mouth and then you remove all doubt whether or not they know what you know that's the part you see I was heard out of the locker room two things that can never be taken back words spoken and deeds done. Be careful what you say, be careful how you treat people. I'm done. At some point in time, we gotta stop using excuses.

Oh, he young. He young, he ain't no better. 25 years young? He ain't too young to cash that check. Hey, you know what? I think most of the time, also as well, I mean the players, especially those that have podcast, those that like to talk, especially to the media, obviously being a part of the Cowboys, you know, anything you say is magnified because of the star on your helmet. You got to be a little bit more careful, a little bit more media savvy. Everybody's not media savvy, understand what you gotta say.

Well, you got a podcast then if you're not media savvy. You're in the media. You're held to the same standard. You say reckless, you become reckless. That's what I'm saying. What if a media, what if a medium member said, I don't know who that player was, you would eat his ass up. It's your job to know. It's embarrassing, these kids, these young men, they're not kids. These grown ass men, their kids masquerading as grown men.

And it's embarrassing. They don't realize how embarrassing it is. Yeah. I just wish, guys, I just wish these players today, some of them, not all, there's no such thing at all. There's no such thing as every But a lot of these players They fooling the fans because we get up here and they talk about what they want to do and I just want to win You want to win, but you want to get your numbers you want to win, but you want to get your stats Sometimes winning requires you not to do that. And it's okay. Cause at the end of the day,

yeah, who doesn't Ocho? I would, but we won. How do I go in good conscience and complain about not getting targets and catches and we won the game. So either it's about my numbers or is it about wins? I just know what it takes to win without a best player. Am I the best player?

Right. I just know what it takes to win and everything that I told you, everything that I've said, y'all come back. Oh, you don't know, but that joy, let me be a situation. I told y'all a lot of stuff. Told y'all about AB. Y'all, oh no, no, let that man free. Not look at you.

Why ain't nobody offering the man? Ain't no job. Y'all was gassing them up. Y'all put a battery in his back. Duracell. No, it was a rechargeable battery and y'all kept it plugged up. All I wanna do, I'm not entering anything in anything Ocho that I can't win at. That's

why I don't do a whole lot. I'm gonna be great at what I do. I don't want to be good at a whole lot of ish. I want to be great at a few things. That's it. Some people are born great. Some people have greatness thrust upon them. It doesn't matter which one you fall under. What do you do with the greatness? Theodore Roosevelt. It's embarrassing.

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wasabi.com. Pager's owner Robert Kraft was passed over again for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. For the 13th consecutive year, Robert Kraft, be it to become a Pro Football Hall of Famer, remains on ice. The committee overseeing Hall's contributor category bypass Kraft in favor of Ralph A, who helped set up the original meeting for the league to become the NFL. Kraft supporters would note that since Jerry Jones, who has overseen three Super Bowl teams, is in the Hall of Fame, Kraft should be considering he's won twice as many while also serving on one of the game's most influential figures.

Hey, who, who did you know? This is a, is it? I didn't even know. Oh, Jordan, you know, I am, I'm a historian. I didn't even know who. Who did Mr. Robert craft piss off? You notice this is deeper than what we, what we think it is obviously for him. Not because they've been lying. Let me tell you what's happened. Let me tell you what's happened. Let me tell you what's happened.

When everybody said when all these reporters that Spygate wasn't that big of a deal, it was a bigger deal than what they previously said. Because I believe they hold this man culpable for some of the things because if he didn't know he should have known. And this happened under his ownership. You can think of? That's the the only thing I have you ever. I don't know how much you've been around him, but I've been around him. He's an unbelievable.

He was unbelievable. He's one of the nicest men I've ever met. He's cordial. He's always asking how you doing, how you feel. He honest. He's like, I appreciate it. I can tell he, Hey, I can tell you do a lot of work, a lot of work. And I said some things about his team, about some of the players and some of the things

on his team. He shook my hand. He said, uh, I'll see you around. And he turned and he turned around and he went. I don't get it. Cause like I said, okay, I've been stopped thinking I knew what a hall of fame was. What I saw some guys that didn't get in on the first ballot. I said, I don't know what a hall of fame is. You know, you don't have that voting goal.

You understand the politics that goes into it and that's behind it, especially with those that are doing the voting that are in positions of power and are allowed to control the narrative on who's allowed to get in and who's not. But especially when it comes to an owner like Robert Kraft, what he was able to do since he became owner of the New England Patriots and winning the Super Bowl, he was able to win with Bill Belichick and Tom Brady. The fact that he hasn't been let in yet, I think it's bigger than Spygate. It's bigger than whatever issues they've had. It's something that we probably don't know about.

And it's almost as if it's personal, you know, to this point. Yeah, it has to be. Cause I don't, I don't know. I don't know what other reasons. Yeah. Um, but man's not in. Ocho they won six. They lost two.

They've been till 10 NFC championship games. They've been more probably been more. Hold on. Have they been? Let's see. They lost to the Broncos twice. They lost to the Ravens and they lost to the Colts. So they've been the fun. Yeah. It is the 10. Is the New England Patriots make it look so easy. They think people, it makes people believe it's easy to do. They could be won over and over and over and over and over and over every year that people or the casual fan think it's easy to do. And you wonder why teams continue to struggle reaching that type of consistency year in year out.

It's very, very difficult. It's hard to win a game. Let alone a continue to go back to the Super Bowl year in and year out. And let the man, the man's 83. What the hell y'all waiting on? Y'all gonna wait the man and then have his son, Jonathan and whomever else out there on the field.

Let that man enjoy this effing moment. They should have done put Art Modell in. The only time in NFL history they made the man leave the colors and the records. They didn't do that to Bud Adams. They didn't do that to Al Davis. Al went up and down the coast. Oakland, LA, back to Oakland, LA, back to Oakland, the Baggars. They still the rate and they didn't leave not one color.

They didn't leave not one record. The Rams. St. Louis. But Adams left Houston, Mr. Adams left Houston, went to Memphis and whatever, kept the records. The Colts left Baltimore in 84 like a thief in the night and did not tell the NFL with the Mayflower vans, go look it up.

Ain't leave nothing. They made art lead the colors and the records. And he was on the TV committee, Monday night football, a lot of things, the, uh, the players association. Come on, what are we doing here? I don't know what I'm trying to figure out why the reporters are so hell bent. What did y'all lose?

He left for the same reason all the other owners leave, money. He asked them to help him upgrade the stadium. He leaves and guess what they did? They built us a bigger stadium with nicer amenities on Effet Lake area. While municipal stadium, and if you're from Cleveland, you know it was a dump.

Tortoise overflowing, it was a dump. But y'all want this man to go bankrupt, build a nice stadium on Lake Erie. Y'all wouldn't get a man to die. Yeah. Now he's gone now. Wife gone, one of his sons, David, his oldest, gone. Personal. What are we doing? Personal.

Let Mr. Krabs. The man 83. Y'all want the man to gravel? He's been one of the greatest ambassadors that you could ask for as an owner. One of the best. And he does everything for the betterment of the league. I can't say all of the owners have been like that.

We won't get into who hasn't been for the betterment of the league, but I thank y'all guys, no. Mr. Kraft has always done everything what is in the best interest of the league. All right, y'all, the NFL issued a security alert this week about organized and skilled criminals who are targeting pro athletes, including the recent burglaries of Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey, believed to be tied to the South American Crime Syndicate.

Yes, they got you boy. FBI is investigating the prime wave of international organized crime. It's legit. One source familiar to the situation told Tom Pelicero is trans. It's a transnational crime ring over the last three weeks. No, not last three years. They focused on NBA and NFL players. It's all over. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Eli, I mean.

We're not talking about home invasions. I mean, how are they doing this as far as the crime ring? What's going on? There's a South America, there's a gangs, they come up, they target athletes. Cause what does athletes have? Money. They have jewelry, they have valuables, stuff that I can get in. I can fence, get off of pennies on the dollar. Anytime I take something that I didn't pay for,

I don't give a damn if I don't get the 15 bucks. That's 15 more bucks than I paid for, so that's money in my pocket. You're stealing high-end watches, hey, I might've got hit for a mil. Took every last watch I had, and they took, what else they took? They took my Christopher backpack, all my cufflinks,

all my eyeglasses. But this ain't even hit the news. I ain't know none of this has happened. Yeah. I think they got Draymond. They got a couple of NBA players, I mean, couple of years, yeah. Knowing where players live, when they're not home.

Yep. Somebody say players need to see booby trap. Nah, you can't booby trap y'all. They see you after Drake. How you gonna go to jail for booby trapping your own house to catch a thief going in? Do it and find out. No, you can't booby trap y'all.

Yeah, they got wifi dramas and everything. They, hey, I would tell you they good. Hey, these guys are normal criminals. These are, these are. Nah, nah, nah, nah, they good. They in and out. They know alarms, they gonna hit it. They gonna get whatever they get in about 20 seconds.

That's scary though, huh out of that when I mean There's really nothing to do But anything about family you have family of kids, you know, you wife your kids there, especially out of town Hey that that that gets scary Yeah Guys protect yourself. Protect yourself. Make sure you set your alarms.

Make sure you don't hate. That's a good idea. Not that I'm thinking about it. You're going to jail, Ocho. Booby traps are illegal. They will put you in jail. Even if you catch somebody that's stealing your stuff, you're going in jail. Even if you catch somebody that's stealing your stuff,

you're going to jail. I'm telling you, I ain't telling you something somebody told me. I'm telling you what I know. There's documented cases, but he was stealing, but he was doing that. Yeah, but you can't do that. So much for the justice system.

Yeah. You gotta have 24 hour security. It's unfortunate that you have to have that, but you know, high end people got it, you know, and it's unfortunate. The Volume. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liars Poker. On the latest season of my podcast, Against the Rules, I'm exploring what it means to be a sports fan in America and what the rise of sports betting is doing to our teams, our

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We're back for the season with Peter Schrager. In each episode of the season, I'm going to empty my proverbial notebook and take you inside and behind the scenes on the conversations that happen at the highest levels of NFL franchises. You see, you'll be in the front office of an NFL team one week, but the next week you're going to be at a bar elbow to elbow with some of your favorite celebrities laughing about football like Kansas City Chiefs fan Paul Rudd. By the way, can I just point out how much I like the music of this podcast. The music is awesome. Very good. It's very kind of like a funky beat. Listen to the season with Peter

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