Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Daniels Hail Mary, Chiefs 7-0, D-Wade statue

Episode Date: October 28, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson in disbelief over Chicago Bears DB Tyrique Stevenson taunting the crowd while Washington Commanders rookie QB completes Hail Mary to beat the Bears 18-15 as time expires. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs improving to 7-0 after 27-20 win over the Las Vegas Raiders, the Miami Heat unveil an interesting Dwyane Wade statue and much more!03:18 - Chiefs beat Raiders09:17 - Scotts Lawn care22:19 - Eagles beat Bengals30:41 - What’s Olipopping Off34:05 - Texans beat Colts36:48 - Broncos beat Panthers52:17 - Cards beat Dolphins56:00 - Bills beat Seahawks01:03:20 - Q and Ayyyee(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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gaming resources. The Chiefs improved to 7-0. They beat the Raiders 27-20. Mahomes extended his interception streak to eight games, including the Super Bowl. But he became the fastest quarterback to throw for 30,000 career passing yards. He threw his 57th, 52nd regular season touchdown pass to Travis Kelsey, moving the QB tight end duo into third place on the history in that category.

I don't think they gonna catch Phillip Rivers in a gates. However, it was again Kansas City's defense that won the day after securing four sacks plus a late goal line stand in the third quarter and a fourth quarter fumble recovery. Patrick Mahomes was 27 to 38, 262. Two touchdowns, one of the reception. He was sacked once.

Kareem Hunt ran the ball 21 times, 59 yards. They even ran it 29 times for 82 yards. A lot of times the running game, Ocho, is not necessarily, in Baltimore's case, yet you chew up yards. But it's also to give the defense something else to think about. Give your offensive lineman a chance to rest and catch their breath because they want to put hats on people.

But their defense is sensational. That defense is legit. You saw the goal line. You saw the goal line stance. I absolutely hold on. I tweeted. I say, oh, my goodness, the chief defense is good. And everybody, obviously, they must have been ready, oh my goodness, the chief defense is good. And everybody, obviously they must have been rated fans say, no, the chief defense isn't good.

Whoever's calling the office to play for the Raiders was dumb. Of course, at some, at some, listen, I would have stuck it in somebody, but it's easy to blame and get a credit. Oh, Joe. Yeah. Listen, did you know that? Yeah. I would have ran it on first. I would have ran it on second. No, no, actually, at some point I was waiting on to put the fake in the belly and have play action to the tight end. That's what I thought was coming.

Some type of trickery, running right down the middle of the strength of the goddamn team defense makes no goddamn sense at all. And you're gonna try it four times in a row. It's easy to say blame than self-accountability, Ocho. No, the chiefs are seven and oh, eight, they eight and oh. What are the chiefs, are saving up 70-0?

No, they haven't had their bye week yet. They ain't even had their bye week. They didn't even have all they got them players. Have they? They had their bye week already? I don't think so, because the Raiders are two and six, and the Chiefs are 70-0. So I'm thinking that it lines up that they haven't had their bye

week yet. I think about what's going to happen when Hollywood Brown come back. What are they going to look like? Patrick Mahone not even playing his best football. They lost the game game yet. When it's time, that's what's scary is that he ain't even close to playing what he can be not even close. And they still undefeated.

The Spags is Spags is dialing it up. Brilliant. He's doing an unbelievable job. He need to pay Spags like he wanted to play us. Oh, they paid him. I mean, he probably the highest paid DC for sure. He gotta be. Oh, they say they had, oh, they had, they, oh, oh, yeah, they have had their bye week.

That's why they're seven and oh, and not two and not eight wins because they've had their bye week. That's why they have only played seven games. The Raiders haven't had a bye week. That's why they have eight. They they play eight or two and six. Right. And the Chiefs are seven and oh, because they've had their bye week. And so that's why we're also in week eight. Mm.

But yeah, you're right. Oh, Joe. Uh, Travis seemed to be getting, he had 12 targets, 10 catches, 90 yards in a touchdown. Xavier worthy, four catches, uh, 37 yards of the touchdown. Justin Watson, three catches, 33 yards. P Ryan to D hot got into the action yet to for 29 to 16 yard game Even nor brown had three catch nor great. Excuse me. No great had three catches for uh, 23 yards The thing they're spreading it around. So kelsey worthy watson p ryan hobgates great hardman steel hunt Nine guys called passes. Yeah. Everybody getting the ball.

I wish they I wish they used the hot blue bimodo. I mean, you got the whole show. Damn, I know. I mean, I'm just saying two between nine like you use them. Oh, Joe, the man just got there on Wednesday. I know. What that what that mean? You bought it. You bought it. And therefore, let's get in the ball. You think you know the offense? Let's get you.

Thank you, the office. You think he know the offense? Let's get it. You think he know the offense? Oh, there's enough. I'm sure there's a small package for him that he knows. That's what they had him in a small package. The small package don't equate to 10, 12 catches, Ocho. Not the first week you get there. Five, I mean six, at least six.

Give me six targets. He played 23 snaps, Ocho. Yeah, I don't like that. But you know what? You know what? He did just get there and he's going to continue to grow though. He's going to continue to grow.

He's going to give me with that. Let me ask you a question. When Amari got the Buffalo, how many snaps do you think he played? He played the whole game? I don't know, but his first game he had 66 yards, 66076 with a touchdown. Yeah.

Which one of those guys on that roster travel Kelsey? Oh. I put my hand up there. But look, he's shown he's a valuable, hey, he's a great possession guy. He's gonna keep the a valuable. Hey, he's a great possession guy. He's going to keep you. He's going to keep you keep the first dial moving. Yeah. He'll look and it will find a way to get him more involved.

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So he threw that ball somewhere between 60 and 70 yards. Tyreek Stevenson, this is what he this is what he tweeted to Chicago and my teammates. I apologize for my lack of awareness and focus. The game isn't over until zeros hit the clock. Can't take anything for granted. No, take it and prove it will happen. Bear down. No, no, no, bro. You are celebrating. Yeah, you don't expect you know, you don't expect nothing like that to happen. If you are- Why not?

Tell me why not? If you thought- Did we not just see Aaron Rodgers? Hold on, just two weeks ago, we saw Aaron Rodgers do what, Ocho? Hail Mary. Oh, so you don't expect Hail Mary to happen? Have it, what happened in that game?

Has that ever happened before? It's happened before. Can I say something? What's the number one rule for DVs or safeties on a Hail Mary to bat the ball? What? Down. Bat the ball down. Stop trying to catch the interception.

Bat the ball down. If you don't, if you don't try to get the interception and be selfish, just to get the goddamn stat and you bat the ball down, the game is over. How about you do your responsibility and there was going to be plenty of time for you to do that to the crowd. Do you see him still looking his guy, Noah Brown, the guy that called it. Yeah. Yeah.

That's unfortunate. That's unfortunate. I mean, I mean, I'm just trying to figure out that's so unlucky. You know, the, no, you know,'s so unlucky. You know, you know, it's not unlucky. Hold on. What happened with, you know, the complete the Hail Mary is. We love what happened in defense.

Luck is what happened when preparation meets opportunity. Do you have you ever practiced the Hail Mary in practice? Yeah, maybe one. Yes. Yeah, yes. You Yes. Yeah. Yes. You practice it every week. So when it happens preparation, you prepare for it. The opportunity presents itself. You go for it.

No, he had one job to do. Yeah. So let me ask you a question. Yes, sir. So tell me the time that you have a period in which you get to celebrate and you try to chuff it up with the crowd. Let me tell the fans in Cincinnati. Did y'all have a period like that? Okay, guys, the game is almost over. I want you to turn to the stands and try

to get into it with the crowd. Let me know that play. What period is that? What y'all have? Now it ain't not. It ain't not just a little, little, little, little pre premature, premature, premature. And guess what it cost him? It got him a game. Now think about that. He's never Just a little, little, little, little, premature, premature, premature, fast talk. And guess what it cost him? It got him a game. Now think about that.

He never gonna live that down. No. Everybody gonna know him for that place. How does he live that down, Ocho? Okay. Mm-mm. Okay. Dude, that's, that's on, that's on,

that's gonna be on highlights for years to come. That's that's that's on that's on that's gonna be on highlights for years to come Damn man, I feel I feel bad for young boy man. He was I don't I know we were high boy Yeah That's your question in that celebration he was doing to the sideline Do you think he was ever as high as the commander's were when they walked it off? Mm-hmm That was dope Do you think he was ever as high as the commanders were when it walked it off? Mm. That was dope. That was dope for for for a play like

the Hail Mary to be such a small percentage play as far as success rate is concerned. I was surprised. I was surprised to happen. I was proud to happen. I like, yeah, OK, nothing surprised me on the football field. Yeah, I know you right let me ask you a question After you saw what happened to Super Bowl with Malcolm Butler why are you surprised by anything? If you played this game long enough, oh Joe you've seen strange things happen. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Unfortunately. The prepared. Arminson said, look is what they call it.

All he had one job to do. I just want to know what the job, the description that caused him that that said, this is what we want you to do. Right. All he had one job to do. I just want to know what the job, the description that caused him that said, this is what we want you to do. Right. We want you to make it about you. What about him?

Oh yeah, oh yeah, you got that. Yeah, y'all thought y'all had it. Y'all thought y'all had it. Yeah. And then when the play going on, he still wasn't busting his ass. Watch the replay. And if we're gonna talk about about it again tomorrow because I want you to watch the replay right and I want you to tell me do you think he was busting his butt to get over there because

He got over there late. Guess what he did. Oh Joe. He was the one that tipped it He hit the ball If he was in position he'd have been in position to do this matter that he wasn't in position. He did that he swatted the ball No, I said, thank you You see what happens You lose more Ocho teams lose more games than they win. Yeah, the Bears lost this game. Yeah, they did They did because all it takes is one

One guy wasn't doing his job and it cost 52 Damn Mmm, don't cuss call Gus Don't cuss. Call Gus. Don't cuss now. Right. Oh, let me ask you a question. Is the celebration any less jubilant if it happens five seconds later? Yeah, he could have waited. That's why I said it was premature. Premature.

Wait till the clock hits zero. When the clock hits zero, talk all the trash to the fans you want. Because I know they've been hacking you all game anyway. Yes. I know. I know. I know. I know.

I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I the fans you want because I know they've been hacking you all game anyway yes

the greatest trash talk is the win yeah that's the greatest trash talk Ocho yeah it is it is but had heart had Muhammad Ali Not been able to do nobody would remember anything what he was saying. Yeah, it was because he was winning Mayweather Y'all remember when Conor McGregor was knocking folks out and he had all that great trash talking Tell me the last time y'all remember He said something meaningful that y'all can go back and talk to because he'd be getting his ass kicked. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Now you can be all those cliches and those one liners.

He was as great a trash talker there was. But he was knocking folks out. Now he's getting carried. Don't nobody remember what he said from the press conference. Winning is the greatest trash talk ever created. We would have not remembered what Joe name was saying, had he not guaranteed, had they lost that game, how many times, how many somebody, because how many times does somebody say, I guarantee you, and it didn't happen. We forget about that. Yeah. But we remember that guarantee because they won.

But we remember that guarantee because they won They won hey, we're like let it be a lesson Let it be a lesson young man hate that you put yourself in that situation. Yeah, but let it be a little show A wise man will learn from others mistakes. A fool will learn from his own. Let this be, I hate that you had to learn this lesson. I hate it that you had to learn this lesson through your own mistake. Right. The matchup between 2024 number one and number two overall picks, both quarterbacks would go down in history to lead changes.

I mean, think about it in the first 59 minutes and 35 seconds. There was one touchdown scored. Yeah. They scored two touchdowns in the last 25 seconds. The commanders, 18 Chicago Bears, 15. That's a long flight. Hey, very man. That's a long flight. Very. Man, that's a long ass flight home

and you know everybody looking at it. Oh Joe, you know how it is. Hey man, hey, pick your head up. Hey, it's a team game. You know team game, nigga, you cost out the game. Man, hey, I ain't telling you what somebody told me. I've been in that situation. Oh yeah.

Hey man, hey, it's all right. Hey, we'll get them next time. Do your job, we got it this time. Yeah, they'll never tell you to your face though. They'll never tell you to your face, but they gonna whisper behind your back. Or they gonna- Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not us.

Oh, Tito Paul. Yeah. The one that gave us that touchdown to I think it was Amari Tumor, that caused us the undefeated season. Oh, we got his ass, so we got him on the plane. Oh, we got him on the plane. Y'all make a-

Hey, bro, you all right? Yeah, man, I'm sorry about that. Yeah, you caused us undefeated season. Oh, oh, ask it. Yes. Oh, absolutely. They told his ass up. Right.

We go to that play. Hey, we get him in the locker room. Right. But we go to that play. Let him have it on. Did we? You know, we got you grew in hat day because Mike, we didn't have to come in till Wednesday. Right. Got to think about it now, Ocho.

This was in our back to back. This was out the second of the back to back Super Bowls. So we went on a win streak. So we didn't have if we won the game, we didn't have to come in till Wednesday. And we had hat day on Friday. Right. So we won the last game of the season, which was Seattle. We won three playoff games and we're on the football. And then we started the season.

So we had one 17 straight games. Right. Thanks, Tito. You f that up. Hope you feel good about yourself. Hope you can sleep at night. I know we heard he heard 55 guys got to come in, got to come in on Monday. No hats. Whoa, heavy as helmets on Friday.

Oh, oh, oh, ask it. If you all see Tito Paul, ask it. Pull his ass up. And it's funny. But I went by myself. I just, I just happened to be the lyrical. Burns, oh, we got it. Oh yeah.

Oh, you had it. Look, you know this for a second. You gotta have thick skin. Oh yeah, most definitely. Listen. You cannot let, you cannot let the guys know it's bothering you. Cause if they do.

Oh, it's never going in. It's never. Never going in. If somebody call you a name, they're, hey man, go on with that. Oh, that bother you, huh? It's over. It's over.

Oh, you mean. Man, I got, I mean, I gave guys nicknames to this date. I mean, if it's like, hey, such as a date, like they might refer to him by the real name. I'm like, man, who is that right man, you know Who that is? Once you get a nickname it just like when you growing up in the south I don't know how they do it in new but if you get a nickname

Yeah, you could get grunt. You could be grown. You could be married. You could be whatever that's your name. It sticks always forever You could be married. You could be whatever. That's your name. It sticks always. Forever. And it might be on your obituary. Such as such. Obligation. Quotation. Quote yes. Yeah.

Yes. That's your name. The Eagles beat the Maliwap. Don't walk them. No, they just beat the Molly walk. Don't walk them. No, they just won the game. They didn't Molly walk. Molly walk. If you win, if you beat a team in the NFL by three scores,

that's Molly walk. That's dog walk. The Eagles, again, didn't score in the first quarter. They haven't scored in the first quarter all season, but they made up for it in the next three quarters, but it helps to play the Bengals. And they score 37 points in the first quarter all season, but they made up for it in the next three quarters But it helps to play the Bengals Yeah And they score 37 points in the final three quarters at the halftime Jayler Hurst with a perfect nine for nine

150 yards and a TD pass Kurtz finished with three rushing touchdowns say Kwan Barkley James y'all miss that oh he rushed for 108 yards to the Bengals fell to 0 and 4 in Cincinnati this season They're three and five. Yeah, I'll still win. Y'all still winning the division. Oh sure. We know you gotta bring that up We do So run me my money Hold on hold on hold on hold on. What did your burro say? What's your right? I think 10 wins usually gets you in. We gotta win seven out of nine.

Joe Burrow said it's doable. So guess what I believe? Guess what I believe? How many games y'all gotta win? We gotta win seven out of nine. Hell, y'all won three out of eight. So what makes you think y'all can win seven out of nine? Oh, wait a minute.

This is a long football season. This is not a sprint. This is the marathon. Now we might be playing. We might be playing bad right now, but here we can catch goddamn fire. If Joe is a marathon. If Joe say we could win seven of the last nine, we gonna win seven of the last night. Yeah, he said y'all need to get hot here. And y'all didn't want a game since y'all were one game since he said y'all need to

win one. And having having tea having tea out today didn't really help either. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not making no excuses. That's what it sounds like to me. Hey, Chad. I promise you, I'm not. Doesn't sound like you made excuses.

Listen, we lost the game in Fair and Square. Philly played very well. They played Saquon Brand very well. AJ Brown contributed. Goddamn, Devon Smith, the bomb a homeboy, you know, it's okay, it's okay, we didn't play well today. Whatever it is needs to be fixed. What you mean today?

Y'all got three wins. It's been a lot of days y'all haven't played with. That's not necessary. Why are you bringing up the past? We talk about the Eagles game. Okay. Whatever needs to be. Y'all got Maliwap? Yeah, we lost. Maliwap is, you know who got Maliwap? The Titans got Maliwap. That's Maliwap. We just lost the game.

Uh, Ocho, y'all lost by 20 points in an NFL game. Oh, you know. There's only two teams today that lost by that many. Y'all and y'all and the Titans. It happens, it's football. Some someday, someday is just not yours. Well, we don't have a day because y'all lost, y'all lost five games, so we don't have a day. I can tell you what we're going to win the next seven. We're going to win seven of the next nine.

I get back at that. Cause my quarterback said so. Hey, no, sir, defensively, we got to get it together. Offense, no, only scoring seven. What makes you think y'all gonna get it together? Oh, it's a long season. Are you trying to just. I'm trying, but okay, it's a long season.

Okay, in the process of that long season, what makes you think y'all gonna get it together? The whole point of going to practice and doing going film study and then going to meetings is to improve week to week Have y'all improved week to week? We haven't not not yet So what makes you think you're gonna prove? The chance it can turn around is a chance it can turn around Hey, the chance it could get worse. So if there a chance it could get worse That also is a chance to turn around. Is the chance that could get worse? So is there a chance that could get worse? That also is a possibility.

OK, yeah, but I don't think it's a possibility. But I don't think I don't think that would be the case. I personally don't think that would be the case. And that's not because I'm a Bangal fan. I'm just understanding, looking at what we have, especially offensively. The offense is what carries that team. 17. Y'all score 17 points.

Yeah, 17 points ain't good enough. I was just. How many points did they score? How many points did they score against the Patriots? 13? Yeah, that's not good. That's not good enough either. And especially now the fact that we are in week seven

or week eight, there's no reason why we should only be scoring 17 points, especially with the weapons Joe Burrow has to use, that Joe Burrow has at his disposal. After the- Oh, y'all score 10 against the Patriots. Let me take my three points back. You score 10. All right.

How y'all looking? Hold on, I'm looking at y'all running backs. Brown, Burrow, Zack Moss. Joe Mason look good as used to. Yeah. Hey, Joe ballin',, hey Joe Joe ballin boy Joe is Joe is ballin Huh? I'm talking about a ballin. Oh

Y'all score 17 against the Giants Did y'all only had one explosive game and you lost you scored 38 against the Ravens, but you lost Yeah But more times than not Y'all been some butt sauce. Mm- sauce. It's one of them years, huh? You know, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,

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Okay. I don't know what I reckon either. Okay. It's better than yours. Y'all, nah, I don't think, hold on. Let me make sure y'all reckon better than ours. I know for certain it's better than yours. Matter of fact, I got, look at, look at, look at,

this is what we got coming up. We got the Raiders. That's gonna be a win. All right. We got the Ravens. We got- A loss. Joe Burrow don't beat, Joe Burrow don't beat,

don't beat Lamar. We got the Ravens and the Chargers. So we got the Raiders, Ravens and Chargers. So boom, that's three games we gonna win right there. Then we got the- bitch. I don't know. I bet y'all don't go three at all Which puts the money puts put your money we about these then push money we about this you already owe me you want to Make it double or nothing double or nothing bit

Wait, well time out. Wait, what are you? What are you for? Are you just making up some what I owe you for. I made a mess up. We got what we're going to do. We're going to go back to the tape. I'm going to find the tape. What we buy now. You remember I didn't bet.

None of that was nothing to be about. That is you're good and terrible. Oh, Joe. Hey, there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life. The referee, the coach, the expert. My next season is all about fans and what the rise of sports betting is doing to them,

to the teams, and even to my family. I'm heading to Las Vegas and New Jersey and beyond to understand America's newest form of legalized gambling. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Okay, Ocho, now it's time for what's Oli popping off, presented by Oli Pop. Oli Pop. Hello, I need me an Oli Pop, man. We got Oli Pop here.

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Since 1970 Jamiro gives reached the max speed of 22.03 on a career long 70 yard rushing touchdown in the first quarter. I think if I'm not mistaken, what's his name? The quarterback for the Lions. Jerry Garth. He only had 85 yards past it.

Yeah. I mean, well, hell, he didn't have to throw the damn ball. And Jameer Gibbs in Montgomery was going crazy. Well, you see how fast Jameer Gibbs ran today? When he hit that crack. Huh? 23.03. Man, listen, man. And today when he hit the 22, when he hit that, huh? 23.03 man. Listen, man, man, young, young bull fast as hell, bro. I am.

If you know what, if there, if it was a compare, Jamir gives an open field and Chris Johnson, who you got Chris Johnson, what the hell are you talking about? What the hell you talking about? I ain't taking no running back over Chris Johnson. That man ran 424 electronic time. Hello. I'm would you marry no photo guy. Probably friend for three. Right.

Okay. You probably know 43434304. But there's a big difference between 43 and 424. Probably Fred for three. Okay, you probably know for three for three for three old boy There's a big difference between four three and four two four right this much No, it's bigger. It's more than that Hey, hey, you get out that white came from Iowa dog four one five. Yeah He looked like four one five Hey

But he got out so fast But he'd be digging I'm telling you people don't over there's a difference between football speed. Oh, yeah and track speed. That's that's elite speed. Yes I think Kristen Coleman ran like 412 Hell you saying boat if sweats and sneakers ran for two to that's all that's all that. So yeah, I remember that. That's crazy, man. But that's be the burn. I don't want to be that fast. All that

dude will get me to the safety quicker to get knocked out. I didn't keep I didn't keep this. This this high for five and low for six. Oh, Joe. Oh, I'll do get I did keep this, this, this high four, five and low four, six on Joe. Uh-uh. I'll do it. I'll do it. Get to that safety. Any quicker than what I've been getting to her. That's a headache waiting to happen.

The Texans beat the Colts 23 to 20. Anthony Richardson was two of 15 in the first half on Sunday's loss to the Texans. That was the worst half first half completion percentage by a player with at least 15 attempts since Steve Berline went to a 17 in the Cowboys in the first half of game. Excuse me, against the Eagles, 11 years before Richardson was born. Born. Who the fans are slamming Anthony Richardson for taking himself out of the game in the third quarter.

Oh Joe, I think you heard Richland talked about it after the game. Tired. Ain't gonna lie. That was a lot of running right there. I did that idea. So I just told Shay I needed a break right here. He just took it was just one play on. Oh Joe, you can't you can't. Oh Joe Oh Joe you can't you care Oh Joe everything You don't have to verbalize everything right right right right guys need to understand that bro. You think you'd be a stand-up

Bro, you the face of the franchise you can't come out You too tired to turn around and hand the ball off right? And you know what I think you know, I thought he came out and he probably, he didn't say nothing. I thought it was that left ankle. Okay, say that. You can't say I'm tired, Ocho. I don't think he wanted to say he was hurt.

I think it was that left ankle. So you think saying I was tired was better than saying I was hurt? You know how that go. Once you got an injury, you know what they want to do. They want to take your helmet. They won't let, they don't want to let you back in the game. Oh Joe, oh Joe, the man said I was tired.

Yeah. Yeah. We've seen Lamar, we've seen quarterbacks run 30, 40, 50 yards and come back in and had you mean to tell me this man, this man is 21, 22 years of age and you too tired to turn around and hand the ball off. Oh, that's not a good look, man. That's a horrible look. Yeah. It wasn't a good answer.

It wasn't a good answer. I'm sure he learned from it though. He learned from it. You have to be careful what you say. And obviously he's not as media savvy as other quarterbacks would be, especially in that scenario and a situation like that. But I still think it was that ankle.

I really think it was that ankle. That's why he came out. He learned from it though. Lord have mercy. He'll learn from it though. Lord have mercy. Sometimes guys just don't even say nothing. Just don't say nothing.

Man. The Broncos. The who? Beat the brakes off the Panthers, what we do. That don't even count, they playing the Panthers, man. That don't count. Don't we reach out to you. Don't get no. You don't get no points for that. You don't get no points for that game at all. Bowling had 220 passing yards in the first half of Sunday's win.

More than he's had all but one game this season. DB, J.C. Horn called out Sean Payton post game, trying to run up the score. No, no, no, no. You let me coach this team. Yeah. My job is to coach my team. Right. Your coach's job is to coach your team. Because what I do, Ocho, when I beat you bad, I do your favor. I let everybody know you're not good enough. Your offense, your defense, your special teams.

Cause see, if I make it a close game, you're gonna go into the locker room and say, guys, we're close. We're really close. That's a good football team and we almost had them. No, I beat the hell out you. I let you know you're not close. You're not close in any aspect of it.

So don't worry about my team. Why you wanna be worried about my team? John Pay was brutally on his post game about playing the Panthers That's not a good office. We played out. It's just the truth. We expected that We're going to see a lot better teams the Broncos are three and four Oh five and three at Baltimore and Kansas City the next two weeks It is you now Now you know what? You you hyping up your Broncos so much doing all this. Hoorah and hoopla.

You're so happy about beating the Panthers. Well, hell, you're going to lose the next two games. Don't worry about it. You're going to lose. Y'all lost y'all last two. You're going to lose the next two games. But we played we played really good teams that we lost to. There's a difference.

The Patriots good. You talk about way at the beginning of the season. Did y'all lose or a difference the Patriots good you talk about way at the beginning of the season you did y'all lose a win against the Patriots is it simple yes or no yeah but y'all feel you're what y'all gonna lose the next two though whoa why you wish bad on us I'm not wishing bad on you I'm just I'm just being real I'm just being really Oh now you want to be real. I'm gonna ask you to be real earthy. You want to be real now Hey Shopping said I was just brutally honest post-gag. He said uh, that's not a good office

They see any other coach would have stated that they had a jumped on him If a player had said that they would have jumped on him, but Sean Payton says and tell the truth About the elephant in the room is crickets. They not good. I mean, we know that you're not supposed to say it though. It was a coach. I mean, Hey, the thing is that kind of started our rivalry in Pittsburgh. I said that the first game we played Pittsburgh in old three river stadium and we shut them out my first year in Baltimore. And I said,

that might be the worst team, worst Steelers team I've seen in my life. Coach Kyle was there. He shot back and said, Hey, you tell him to worry about his own team. And we'll worry about our team. So that kind of started the stealer Ravens. Right. Yeah. Cause that's when we know we started getting into it. I started, you know, uh, Plexico and I went back and forth.

Have back. For our homes. So. God damn flex. Broncos are five and three. Another team, my cohost is three and five. Five and three. Three and five. Hey, I bet one thing.

I got another, I got a side bet on top of the other bet that double or nothing. Mm-mm, no I don't want to bet. No, hold on. I bet the Bengals finished with a better record than the Broncos. I tell you what I'm betting right now. I bet that. I ain't betting you no more.

You know what I'm gonna bet? What? You know what I'm gonna bet? What? I'm gonna bet the look on your face when y'all don't make the playoffs. Y'all ain't making the playoffs either. What? Y'all ain't gonna make the playoffs either. So what's the difference? Who said I remember a team saying the AFC runs through us? I don't remember anybody on the Broncos side saying the AFC run through us. Who said it? Who said?

I don't know. Hey, Chad, do y'all remember? Do y'all remember somebody saying the AFC runs through Cincinnati? I ain't never seen the team talk so much. I went to the Super Bowl one time. They didn't win, but they did go give them kudos for that. They went. I say, when y'all start talking so much?

I don't know, Sean, when they start talking so much. They ain't want nothing. They ain't want no Super Bowl. They ain't got no MVP. Hold on. So because we ain't got no MVP and we got no Super Bowl, we can't talk? What y'all talking about?

Football. What? Just about the AFC coming through, AFC North coming to Cincinnati. Nothing goes through Cincinnati. Well, I mean, Amtrak don't even go through Cincinnati. Not this year. That is what y'all said.

You said the AFC goes through Cincinnati. That's what you said. Listen, that is what you said. That's what somebody said. Somebody said it wasn't me. I mean, we have a bad, you said. That's what somebody said. Somebody said it wasn't me. I mean, we having a bad, we having, you know what? I'm not even gonna say we having a bad year. We having a bad year, but things can turn around.

There's a lot of, you do realize there's a lot of football left to play, right? Oh, you make it seem like there ain't a lot of football. So you, so the only, only the Bengals got a lot of football left to play, huh? No, I mean, but listen, the pendulum is gonna shift anyway. The Bengals are gonna start improving and the Broncos are going to be,

it's gonna go the opposite way. Watch, because you're getting a little too hype, a little too, you know, besides yourself, you know. No disrespect to John Payton and Bo Nicks, but you'll see. And I'm rarely wrong when it comes to my predictions. Rarely. You're wrong. I'm right. You'll see and I'm really wrong when it comes to my Come to my predictions Really you wrong? All right, you see I Mean y'all go to thing and then y'all y'all be being disrespectful burrowhead

Burrowhead Really fans made that up bro. But the fans made that up No, I did y'all was saying it y'all saying it after y'all beat them in the arrowhead. Yeah, the fans. The players. Nah, nah. And then my homeboy knocked five from y'all. Oh, Joe Burrow got a winning record against Patrick Mahone.

Yeah, yeah. Lamar Jackson got a winning record against Joe Burrow. And? He does, he does, he does. I can't deny that, those are facts. You can't deny, why would you want to? It's all good. Look at that, eat that Skyline chili.

What the name of that chili is Jordan? Jordan from Cincinnati. Skyline. Skyline and Gold Star. That's all y'all got, chili dogs. It's all good. It ain't all good. Listen, get the jokes out now.

Jokes out now, laugh now. Yeah, you been thinking. You been thinking poop was sweet. I heard you. All right, you'll see. You'll see, wait till the end of the season to watch who has a better record. And maybe an opportunity to be in the playoffs.

It won't be all I Don't worry about us. I bet I bet you worry about your own worry about your own self You good Why don't you love it with a plan coming together ain't nothing like a plan coming together? Yeah, you sit down you plot strategize Mobilize realize and then all of a sudden that thing start tracking in the right direction. Right. Oh man, ain't nothing better than that.

Mm. Sorry about that, Ocho. Yeah, you good, you good, you good, you good, you good. We gonna be all right. Like I feel bad. Like I'm hurt, I'm kind of, I'm more so disappointed. The fans of Cincinnati are frustrated. They-

For what? Y'all been losing for a hundred years. Hold on. Hold on. You want to take these last, you want to take these last couple years and you think that's gonna erase what happened in the 70s? What happened in the 90s? what happened in the 70s what happened in the 90s we not what happened in the 2000s what happened in the 2010s really oh Joe listen we were we were on a path and the culture has

changed in Cincinnati now you know that it's a winning culture that the bangles so they are the bangles the expectations areall the bangles. The expectations are high. You are. Hold on. It was you that always told me, oh, you need to manage your expectations. Therefore, you know, I ain't gonna do it. You say let that go. My bad.

My bad. My bad. My bad. My bad. My bad. You talking relationships again. He. I ain't talking no relationships. I read the room. Let me have a little something.

It's a lot. I read the room. See, I have a how you don't even have no compassion. You don't know what I'm going through right now. I know what you're going through, Ocho. Hey. But I'm just saying that was triggering. Oh, Joe, if the bird in the hand, see if I got a bird in my hand and the wise man comes along and you say, Hey, is the bird dead or alive?

The wise man will say, Hey, the bird is on your hand. Only you know, because see if I say he's dead, I'm over my hand and let him fly away. Right. And if I say he's dead I'm gonna open my hand and let him fly away right and if I say he alive I'll crush it. Mmm The bird is in your hand. Oh Joe only you know Stay with me now Hey, you know what? I ain't got no pen and paper right now man. Stay with me now. That was a good one I ain't got no pen and paper. That was a good one

Bixit damn it's cuz I agree to you got a great situation. Ocho you got a great situation fix it. Well shoot I'm blocked so you might need to make that call for me. Because here's the thing when people say the grass is greener okay what type of fertilizer you use how often you water it. See they don't tell you that they just say the grass greener but I need to know the fertilizer that you use it. See, they don't tell you that. They just say the grass greener, but I need to know the fertilizer that you're using. I also need to know if you're using a post-emergent or a pre-emergent. So are you killing the weeds after they grow

or are you killing them before they grow? See, that's that farmer coming out of me. I'm just saying, I just need to know. Right, right. But listen, it's gonna have to be a team effort. To get. What are you laughing? What's gonna have to be a team effort, bro?

Hey, I tell you no lie. Real everybody comes to me, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh. We got that here real. Hey. Yeah, yeah, yeah, shit, damn. Hey, hey, you better, you may, she look like you stand on a dungeon or basement or something. Oh, but you better get your dad.

Hold on. I'm in Houston. I mean, I came to a day party at, what's it called again? At Chapman and Kirby. So I didn't want to leave Chapman and Kirby and try to rush back to the hotel to get to my room. So they let me sit up in the back. So I'm still here. It's Lord have mercy.

Hey, I'd have been on a flight back trying to fix that. Oh, I can't, I don't know. I'm just saying I'm blocked. I don't know what to do. Look here, that's one thing about you, Ocho, you're a wise man. The one thing I know about men, they can figure it out. And you know what? You know what I can't do though? And I can talk to you and chat, you know, like remember how you say,

if you live publicly, if you live it publicly, you break up publicly. Yeah, so it's okay. See, I can deal with that though. I can deal with that. Take it offline. Hey, the stove is hot,. See I can I can deal with that though. I can deal with that. Just take it off line Hey, the stove is hot Imagine I just over all I'm saying it. I'm just you As long did she say don't call her no more No Okay, you good because anytime a woman tell me don't call don't't worry about it. Block, erase the number.

Oh no, you'll never get me for stalking. No. Oh, I don't play that. So choose wisely. If you ever tell Shadow Sharp, don't call you again. You ain't gotta worry about it with Shay. You ain't just hit me, huh? I know, Ocho, look here.

The stove is hot. It's no point in touching the stove if it's still hot. I got to let the stove cool down. Oh, Joe, look, at the end of the day. It's two adults, y'all both grown. You can get into a room. You can figure it out if that's what the both of y'all want. So I'm going to let y'all I'm going to let y'all

I'm going to let y'all handle that. You know, I think the world of both of y'all, but y'all, y'all, y'all let y'all, I'm gonna let y'all handle that. You know, I think the world of both of y'all, but y'all can figure this out. Why don't you do me a favor? What? Why don't you be the moderator? You laughing, cause hey, ain't no, that shit ain't funny man, shit, what?

That shit hurt, what? Yes, but here's the thing,. What? That's a hurt. What? Yes. But here's the thing. Oh, Joe, her is the thing. Give it a day or two. Let her calm down. It's fresh. It's really fresh now.

But you need to stay offline. Both of y'all need to stay offline. Oh, that's the first. All I do is tweet normal. I tweet football. That's it. Both of you stay offline. And and next time, if this thing is to be repaired, keep it offline.

You don't have to be so public. And what me? Yeah, shit. Yeah, you have to be so public and you might be watching. Shit. Mm-mm. Fuck. Man, look here.

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The Dolphins failed to 2-5, but the offense, they look drastically different with their team and have four weeks without their quarterback. The offense had averaged 10 points. Without 2, they scored 27 today. Oh, they defense not good. What, the Dolphins defense ain't never been good though. That's the thing.

I know. They gotta go way back to the no name to the no name or the killer bees or something, but you know, way, way back in the seventies. Hold on. Now they have, we have good players. We have Jalen Ramsey, Holland is good. Like we just don't have any,

a solid group that plays well all together. Y'all need to get out y'all should have kept Christian Wilkins. And who do we get? We got we got Chop we got Chop Robinson right? Yeah. Who's the D-Tac we brought in? But a lot of you guys, remember Phillips, Achilles, you got Chubb, he tore his ACL. I mean you had a lot of injuries on your defensive line. Okay, you know, you re-signed Ram, great, great addition, but Xavier Howard is gone. You lost some guys that were key contributors. And I don't know if Chubb is back. I don't know if Phillips is back

because they got those injuries happen so late in the season though, Joe. Yeah. Take a little time to get back. Yeah, yeah. But two are 28 to 38, two 34, one touchdown. He ran the ball 25 times for a buck 50. So you average six yards of carry.

a buck 50. So you average six yards of carry. But two or fumble three times. He lost one Jackson. So y'all had you, you were covered them all. What you're gonna have to get better defensively. Oh Joe. You're gonna have to get better defensively. If we don't get better defensively, Ocho. Yeah. You're gonna have to get better defensively. If we don't get better defensively, that means all offensively I'm talking about we simply because I'm from Miami,

obviously I grew up a dolphin fan, but if we don't get better defensively, offensively, they have to be that much better. No different than the jet situation. If Aaron Rodgers is playing bad, the support has to be much better than Aaron Rodgers is playing. situation if you are just playing bad with support. Has to be much better than Aaron Rodgers is playing. Same thing for the Dolphins. Kyle Murray, 26 to 36, 307 to touchdown.

He had two receivers go over 100 yards tight end. You know, National tight end day of the thing, because the tight end with Haywire today, tight end with Haywire. You saw Kittle? Kittle went crazy. What did he finish with? Kyle Pitts went crazy. McBride went crazy.

Laporta went crazy. A lot of tight ends did their thing today. McBride, 9 for $1.24. Marvin Harrison Jr., 6 for $111 in the tub. Wilson has a 5 for $31 in the tub. Yeah. Wilson has a 5 for 31 in the tub. So the cards looked really good today. They didn't run the ball great. Average two yards, about three yards,

about three yards to carry. But it was enough. But Callum was sensational when he absolutely had to be. And you see what happened. Yeah. Cardinals win 28-27. when he absolutely had to be and you see what happened. Cardinals win 28-27, four and four in the NFC West. That division's gonna be very, very interesting because Seattle got thunked, but they're like right there.

Now, if the 49ers can get some of their guys back, Ocho, that's gonna be a very, very, very, very, very interesting division. The Buffalo Bills delivered a decisive 31 10 went on the road over Seattle. Josh Allen tossed a pair of touchdown passes. James Cook rushed for two scores. The Bills never trailed in the game and posted a season that 445 yards on their way to a third consecutive victory.

Buffalo's defense limited Seattle to season lows in scoring and yardage. 233 total yards and 32 yards rushing. Seattle dropped their fourth game in the last five. Damn. Damn. God damn Josh, Josh, Josh was balling today, boy. As long as he doesn't turn it over, they don't have a chance because he can do it. He threw his first interception.

He can pick. He threw his first interception. He threw his first interception. Oh, his first pick this year, ain't it? Yeah, yeah. And his last 300 and something, I might be wrong. James Cook, 17 carries for a Buck 11, two tubs. They ran the ball 34 times, 164. They passed it 34 times, 24, 34, 283,

two touchdowns, one interception. But he, it's his legs, man. Yeah. Because you know, he could take off, Ocho, he could take off and- And they got design runs for him too. Yes, yes. Gino was 21 to 29, two touchdowns,

no, no touchdowns, one interception. Not a bad touchdown interception ratio, no touchdowns, one of the exception, not a bad touchdown and interception ratio, but the 17 carries for 32 yards. That puts a lot, when you can't run the ball, that puts a lot of pressure on your quarterback to just drop back there and try to throw. There have been a whole lot of guys that can just drop back X amount of times

and throw you to a victory, especially consistently. But Buffalo looked really good. They're 6 and 2. Clearly sits atop the AOC East. The Seahawks are 4 and 4. Very tight, I think. Arizona is 4 and 4. And I think the 49ers are 4 and 4 also, right?

And the Rales hell might be 4 and 4. Everybody might be 4 and 4 in that damn division. OK, Rales are 3 and division. Okay, rather three or four Okay, three or four, so everybody's right there. Oh look. Yeah, Oh Joe No Well, I just need to know who keep making these statues So that way I can make sure he don't touch go James I don't know who the hell that is right there oh it's not that bad is it on hey I don't know

listen that might be D way senior I don't know I don't know who are responsible for that that that fool that statue but that statue, but the face, how could you not? Yes. How could you not just look at examples before you made that? I think somebody lied. Somebody told me, oh, I'm a sculptor because, you know, I also, also, you know, I've been doing that sign language and they've just been doing all kind of things and they ain't been saying nothing.

That's called I don't know what I don't know who told him hey he must have been a fan he must have built sandcastles as a kid cuz they know what it looked nothing like it was bad congratulations D Wade look I don't I don't want to you know congratulations well-deserved way counting yeah but that don't look like. Did you see these are D way reaction? That was my reaction. I'm like, who is that? If I tell you what, take that three Miami Heat jersey on and just pull everybody. Who is this statue of? I guarantee you not one person would be able to tell you that's the way.

That's criminal. Yeah, that wouldn't done well. It wouldn't done. He ain't gonna get no more work. would be able to tell you that's D Wade. That's criminal. Yeah, that wasn't done well. It wasn't done. He ain't gonna get no more work. Yeah. I'm you know, whoever did it. I was just gonna say that. I know he feel bad.

I know. No, he shouldn't feel bad because he saw it before he even revealed it. He should have never turned that in. He should never turn that in. They should have got the guy that did that. I think his name is Blair Boswell. He does a lot of the bus for the Hall of Fame. Right.

That's who should have done it. Yeah, because I don't know. The Ocho, this is the wood version, obviously. They give you a wood version and they keep looking at the part. Everything I got, I got a cut up. I got a cut up under my right eye. Right. They got the cut on that too.

Yes. But absolutely. You see, I got the fade. they got the waves with that thing. I don't know. You ain't got no waves, but okay, go ahead. I ain't got no waves now, but I had waves and they took it off the picture. I don't know, man.

I'm looking at that thing, cause I'm like. Who is that? Right. I think that might be the one I think that might be the same guy that did Dr. King's monument up in D.C. He don't need to get no more work either. You know, you know, it's funny, you probably won't remember this. Cristiano had a statue as well. Yeah, that was made horrible. It looked nothing like I thought. Yeah, I remember that.

Oh, it's bad. That thing looked terrible. It did nothing like I thought. Yeah. I remember that. Oh, it's bad. That thing looked terrible. It did. Oh, Joe, man. I think these people, I think these people lying. I ain't no way. Ain't no way. That man looked at that, looked at that, said, man, that little ID, man.

Yeah. And he going to talk about some hands. He said, we really try to, you could have no hands on there, but I haven't man, yeah. And he gonna talk about some hands. He say, we really try to, you could have no hands on there. But to have it look like me. Right. As a matter of fact, give me pause. Just make sure the face right.

That's it, that's all that matter. That's all that matters, especially when it comes to a statue, the whole point is to get it as close to the actual person as possible. And they went, they all the way off. They ain't even close. Yeah, yeah. So who's statue you think was worse, Ocho?

Cristiano Ronaldo or D Wade? Oh, Cristiano way worse. Oh, they might be tired, boy. They pretty tired. They're pretty good. Man, they're very good. Ocho, they're terrible. They bad.

They got to be. If I'm D Wade, I'm saying, look, just take my hand off for the time being right and do we do we get that? Right again. Yeah, man I'm gonna have a hairless I'm gonna have a hairless statue ain't no way I'm gonna leave that out there from I don't know where they play American Airlines. What they call what they got what it was the rain They changed it. They changed the name. I think is it if it might be FTX. I could be wrong. I'm not sure Yeah, man, I was like, oh, my goodness.

Yeah, that was that was congratulations, D.Wade, bro, well-deserved three championships. Uh, the Olympics, everything that you accomplish. The statue was well-deserved. So I don't want you to ever think that we take it a slight at you. Bro, that thing don't look like you, ever think that we taking a slide at you. No, bro. No, that ain't gonna look like you, bro. You know that.

You know that. It don't. Now it's time. Last thing of the day. Q and A. Hold on. Let me use the bathroom real quick. Go ahead.

Let me start the first question. Man said, oh, the entire game would be different if the Ravens D was alleged to catch an interception. The Ravens need to start trading players. Hell, even the Ravens wide receivers were dropping passes. That should be easy. Yeah. Uh, I don't know. Cause I think was it Bateman to drop one of the, I think he said he lost it in the sun. Um, those, those. Those one o'clock games get tricky, especially when the sun is at a certain angle.

Yeah, it does get tricky. But you gotta make plays. You gotta make those catches. And normally, drop interceptions. They normally come back and bite you in the butt because you had an opportunity to get off the field and you didn't make the play. And it comes down to making plays when the, when the opportunity

presents itself. So I'm sure Hamilton is, I mean, they're all world safety. He's as good as they that we have in this league and he won't probably have an easier one. And he just dropped it, took his eye off the ball. But if those guys could really catch the lot, it would be why wide receivers a running back That's what DB's are both DB's don't have great hands unless you know Trey bondig has hands But he was a wide receiver. He got he was a college wide receiver that they moved to DB They're talking about the the Ravens defense. He said the Ravens D weren't allergic to catching interceptions They probably would have won this game said the Ravens D weren't allergic to catching interceptions. They probably would have won this game.

So the Ravens need to start trading players. Hell, even the way Ravens wide receivers were dropping passes. Yeah, that should have been easy catches. I saw the one with Bateman where the sun was in his eyes. Yeah, yeah, that's the worst. That is the worst feeling. I hate that. Hot Slinging Slasher said, do you think they should blow it up?

I'm tired of just losing blow up what? Yeah, what they gonna blow up? Hell, it's already a dumpster fire. Hey, who's worse right now? The Jets and the Panthers. What you say? The Panthers, the Panthers are worse. The Panthers are worse.

The Panthers are worse. Okay. Well, actually the Panthers had no expectations. The Jets had expectations. That's the problem. The Jets had humongous expectations and they're not living up to those expectations. But living up, they know what they're doing. Not even close.

No. And that's at. Not even close. No. And that's what happens, Ocho. I mean, you fire ahead and you're like, oh, Spark. Nah, nah, this ain't on Robert Sala. This ain't anything, you hack it. I mean, although I think, I thought Robert Sala had, was a defensive coordinator, well enough to earn the head coaching job. And this is not about me staying, because look, you judge don't win the losses.

That's what it comes down to. And he didn't win nearly enough games. But the grace that they gave him is like, bro, we have failed you when it comes to a quarterback. Yeah. So what are we going to do? We're going to go out and comes to a quarterback. Yeah. So what are we going to do? We're going to go out and get you a quarterback. Well, they got him a quarterback and it's still failing.

Yeah. How's that his fault? Have, have, has Rogers look any better since the firing of solid? Has he looked any better? Has he looked any better since Nathaniel Hackett hasn't called plays? No. Dang. So what do you think?

Absolutely. Did they blow it up? I mean, no, probably not. They're probably, they probably get another, another run. Uh, okay. Probably thinking like, hell, I could have stayed there. I'll probably get another run. Tay probably thinking like, hell, I could have stayed in Vegas. I'd have kept a lot more of my money because these taxes in New York

is different than the ones in Vegas. Different, different. All right, Tim, please say bingo the trash, Ocho. A talent discrepancy between them and the Eagles today. It was insane. Hey, who said that? Tim Lee.

Hey, Tim Lee. Hey, show us some respect. All right. You not, Tim Lee, you not even the Eagles fan. So show us some respect. Brandon Holman said, oh, I think once you I think you said once the Rams won the trade because they got the Super Bowl. If golf wins the Super Bowl in Detroit, what do you think they won? Yeah, I would say I would say.

The Rams, it'd be they're both one, but you got to look at, okay, what else did they get outside of that? So now we got to look at the picks because they got a couple of first round picks and one of those picks might have been Jameer Gibbs. One of those picks might have been Jameson Williams. So now Ocho, we got to look, we got to project. They got a quarterback for the next five years and they got a running back and a wide receiver. So what do they get those picks? They got a quarterback for the next five years and they got a running back in a wide receiver. So, uh,

what do they get those picks? Cause I think they got a couple of first round picks, but it's hard to lose a trade when you win the Superbowl. Yeah. But if Detroit would have win one and we get James and William and, and, or Jamiro Gives, right. But I don't, I don't, I don't think the Ram was. So where, who was the first one? Do we know who to select it? They got Jamiro Gims and Sam Laporta. So if they wouldn't assume, but who you think would just trade on Joe.

I think the lives are feeling pretty good. Yeah. And they got Jameson Williams. Wait, Jameson come back next week. No week after next time. Yeah. Okay. No, they put up 50 50. They put up a 50 burger today, man.

50. Yeah. A fidget piece. It's not, it's not a video game. This ain't Madden. Uh, final. Shout out to Time to Consider Sean Payton, his coach of the year. Winning record with a rookie quarterback in an average roster. I can't say you're wrong if you're right. with a rookie quarterback and an average roster. I can't say you're wrong if you're right. He keep up, he keep going like this, Ocho. Ain't nobody had this. Right. I can't, you know what?

Ain't nobody had this. No, no one. I can't even argue with you, but it's too soon to be thinking about coach of the year. Stephanie Warfield, today Slayton Daniels and the Commanders won a game with a Hail Mary during your playing days. Do you remember your team winning an epic game?

Uh, yes. We beat, we beat, uh, the Washington commanders. They weren't the commanders then obviously they were that team. Uh, Rob Smith called a Hail Mary on Darrell green. We're real. Did a three, we did a three by one. Hi. Ross Smith backside by himself.

Right. They left Darrell green over there by himself. John threw a jump ball, Raj jumped up over the top of it and called it. Yeah. As, as a rookie, huge height discrepancy. Yep. So yeah, we, um, I don't, I don't know. I have, we have won a game on the play like that.

I don't recall this one in any, any plays on Hail Mary's. Terrence G. What are y'all thinking about? Stevenson did, Stevenson did his job. He was the one who batted the ball. Oh Joe you said that was his job, right? No bat the ball down ball down down He's both that have been in position to do this. He came from the side. He wasn't supposed to be in the side He was supposed to be in the trail Terrence I get it. That's your team He messed up He messed up.

He messed up. TC, the truck is that a organocho. What do you believe is the most important lesson? Sports has taught you about life and how do you apply those lessons in your daily lives? I'm just going. Sports is a microcosm of life and society because you're bringing a whole lot of people together, different backgrounds, different races, different socioeconomics, different religions, maybe even orientations for common goal.

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Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You have to get along with people. You have to problem solve with people because every day is not going to be great. And you know when working in close proximity with people that you know you do learn how to get along with people. You find out a lot about people. I mean some people that you think you wouldn't have anything in common with you find out you have the most in common with I wish people Just you know took time to get to know someone now. We don't do that. You know, oh you like that Well, I don't like that. So therefore I don't like you. Oh you like him

Okay, you like him. I don't like him. So therefore I don't like you. That's what we are right now. I Wish we got back to learning and understanding each other, having the difference of opinion. Right. But now we can't we can't even have that. We can't we can't even have an open and honest conversation about anything. There's so much disinformation that's going around. There's so much, you know, everything is so politicized. It's just it's just hard now.

I think for the most part. Oh, Joe. With the way it's going now, you see more and more people in sports and locker rooms talking about. Politics, yeah, talking about religion, talking about things that was never talked about in the locker room. No, no. But that's where we are now, Ocho. Go ahead. I mean, politics is one of the things that I like to stay away from because it's a never-ending

debate, depending on who you're talking to. And I don't like the fact that people, they explain as friendships when you two don't align with the same thing. Some Democratic, somebody's Republican. Oh, well, you're a Democrat, you know what? Well, I ain't talking to you. You know, I don't have respect for you anymore. Are you Republican? And it's the same way you can, you can agree to, you can agree to disagree.

It's okay. It's okay to have different beliefs. It's okay to have different views on something or whatever the topic may be. Just not politics in general. But I mean, there's this era we're in right now where if you don't align your core values and what you believe in, align with someone else. It's a problem. It's an issue.

We're all not going to feel the same. We're all not going to feel the same way We're all not going to feel the same way. We're not going to like the same stuff. And that's just the reality of life. Yeah, it is. And now because it's become, I mean, it's no longer like you have to pick a side. You're like, no, you got to, you got to stand with some. You got to stand with one or the other.

Right. I just hate like. I don't know. I might not agree with what everybody's stance on this or that, but it's your right to your opinion, the problem that I have is that when we have a stance or an opinion, they say stick to basketball, stick to football, shut up and dribble. But when they have it, oh, that's great. Let's have them on. Let's hear their side of it. I got no problem. I got no problem. I might not agree with what Harrison Buckner said,

but I didn't hear anybody say he should shut up and kick a football. When John Stockton said what he said, I didn't hear anybody say that he should shut up and dribble a basketball. That's my only thing. If you're going to allow them to say what they want to say, please allow LeBron, allow KD, allow those others or whomever it may be to save their peace. That's it. Right. Freedom of freedom. You know, the First Amendment right is colorless. That's how I feel about that. But hey to each his own. JP whatever. Oh Rico Dadel was

Signing Fangir and stuff pregame despite reports that he was sick as hell. Does this give more juice that Zeke is Jerry's favorite and favorite by Jerry in their own in the owner room? Look, I mean if he's sick, I mean, when he's sick, I mean, he had his ass standing on the sideline, so I'm trying to say like sick, because normally like when you're sick, Ocho, they don't want you getting around the team, because they don't want you to get anybody else sick.

I'm sick, yeah. But if I'm not mistaken, like he was on the sideline, wasn't he? So he was, so maybe he had a stomach something. But even if your stomach bug, I don't want that to, you know, to to infest the team and then get somebody else sick. So normally when somebody's sick, they like, OK, you go home. I only know what maybe he got sick.

Saturday night, maybe he got, you know, say something like that. So without me really knowing, but normally when guys are sick, they don't want you around the team because they, because you're in such crop, uh, close proximity. Yeah. They normally try to keep you isolated because they don't want to get by. Eric, Oh, man. Y'all got these names.

I don't know. Mr. Sharp was that last trip P.I.? What technical changes do the Cowboys need to make to turn things around? P.S. Ocho, KCM and FIFA. You said there were no, I asked you that earlier on the show, what change can the Cowboys make? You just said there is none,

cause they don't have the personnel. That's the only thing you can do. That's the only turning. Well, that's the only turning around. They're going to do that. I do nothing else. They got what they got. Oh Joe. Yeah. Yeah. They got what they got.

You got a, they're not, oh Joe, they're not good. I mean, think about it. Okay. They lost my, oh Joe, they were down by three scores. Yeah. In the second half, they were down by three scores. Yeah. In the second half, they were down three scores and see what happens is, is that you see late when the game was out of reach, the thought of out of reach. Look at that play. Right.

Now people go say, Oh, uh, Turpin dropped the past. They could have. Okay. Fred Warner dropped the interception that would have killed that drive. Yeah. So I'm just waiting on y'all to say that. So I'm just waiting on you all to say that. So I'm just going to go ahead and nip it in the bud. When you say Kavon Turpin dropped that pass, say the same thing about Fred Warner dropped that one too. Right.

They're not good. They're not good. They're a one dimensional team that the CD, they can't run the football. They can't stop the run and they don't really do. I mean, the fact that pretty guy, I don't know what the hell running back was doing. Your job is to go to the hip of the tackle. Where the hell were you going? You didn't go to the hip of the tackle. You let 13 run right by you and hit the quarterback in the back. Brock Purdy did a great job of holding on to the ball. That's the thing. I know Bobby T was in it. Bobby T was in his ass

when he got to the sideline. So what the hell are you doing? You go to the hip of the tackle, you close the distance. Let me tell you something about pass bucket. Somebody that did it from the backfield. Oh Joe, what you want to do is close the distance. Cause I don't want you to get a running start. I will, hey, and I know where I respond. I'm going to give you one way to go.

I'm not going to have to do it all this right here. And you got me doing all this. No, I'm going to give you one way to go. I'm get to the hip and tackle boom. Okay, come through me, right? Don't throw me Cuz you try to run the field or push ass on the field to get a quarterback an opportunity to step up in the pocket Yeah, but I'm not gonna give you a be lying to hit my quarterback in the back guys just I think a lot of time I will say this. God did give me nervous as steel when I played, cause I understood what my

leverage was and I understood what he was trying to do and where was I was at a disadvantage. And so I think that's the biggest thing. I think a lot of times guys get in situations, Ocho and they panic. Right. I think a lot of times guys get in situations, Ocho, and they panic. Right. I think he panicked. Mm-hmm. I'm sure he, you know, they have the blocking drills

with the dummies, the linebackers try to, you know, rule on it. Right. You go to the butt of the tackle, and you make the guy run around you, or you make him come through you. If he tries to come through you, you drop your hips. And you let him take the pick.

And you press him. Yeah, you're down. If he tries to go around you, you ride his ass off the field. You give the quarterback an opportunity to step up in the pocket. Right. Oh Joe, there's a video going viral of Trayvon digs confronting cowboy reporter, Mike Leslie, who was critical of digs coverage during one of the Niners touchdown drives in the third quarter.

What does Trayvon do doing? What is Trayvon digs doing on this place? Leslie wrote on Twitter digs in front of the reporter in the tunnel saying, that's what you took from that. You don't know football. You can't do nothing that I do. You can't go out there and do nothing. Stay in your lane, buddy. Talk about these nuts. Oh Joe. Stay in your lane, buddy. Talk about these nuts. Ocho. Ocho, what's going on with the Cowboys, Ocho? Hey, I don't know, man.

I don't know, especially, listen, report a tweet or something like that, you know, it's right after the game, the Cowboys lost, players' heads are hot, he hasn't had a chance to cool down, and it just, listen, is an emotional answer from Trey, I can understand his frustrations, I'm sure the reporter understands his frustrations, and I mean, that's it.

And hey, so I understand. Guys. What you got? What you got? What you got? What you got? Is he not allowed to ask? Yeah. What was Trayvon's responsibility on this?

You know, he was trying to be funny. He was trying to be funny. It was probably, it was probably, he probably picked a bad play. He was, he might've been out of position, you know. Okay. You know, he was trying to be funny. He was trying to be funny. He was trying to be funny.

He was trying to be funny. He was trying to be funny. He was trying to be funny. He was trying to be funny. He was trying to be funny. He was trying to be funny. He was trying to be funny. He was trying to be funny. He was trying to be funny. He's trying to be funny. It was probably it was probably he probably picked a bad play. Who was he might have been out of position, you know? OK, you know, you know how you know how reporters do.

They also they they they they they post the worst thing to get the the most in a reaction. So let me ask you a question. So so a reporter is not allowed to ask any questions. Oh, yes. Only questions when you play well. He is, he is, he is most definitely. So if he, so, he makes a play and he asks,

how did Trayvon Diggs make this play? You know what, I wish I could see it. You don't have, you have a picture of it? Let me see if I can find it. No, hell no. We ain't finna show it. Why, we gotta, why you can't show it? Aw, man.

Ocho, he was jogging on a play. Oh. He was jogging. He was really jogging on a play, Ocho. Okay. On the touchdown, on the pass to Kittle. Yeah, I can't see it. Damn. What would you pull it up at?

So he can. Because we can't show it. Oh, Joe. Okay. Okay. We we we already in a bad position. Right. I'm gonna find I'm gonna find it on Twitter.

Uh, I asked you to send it to you. Okay. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. And you take a look at that and now you tell me now this is a team that's struggling defensively. Now you tell me that every good enough to get it done.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. I see. I see what you mean. No, no, no, no. So yeah. Is that effort you struggling as a defense? Right. You tell me that effort. Tell the people what you just saw. Yeah. He, uh, can I, can I tell you what he did? Am I, am I allowed to say it? I'm not making excuses for him. He was jogging. So the two people closer closer to kill could make the tackle that's all that you look at it look look at it real quick you see what i mean i looked at it okay okay yeah he jogging but you know also with the mind somebody else make the tackle yeah the two that were closely yeah i understand what you mean though. Yeah. You, you, you can't, you can't do that. You struggling on a defense. See, that's the difference.

See, that's the difference in winning and losing a team that winning. I tell you what, hold on. When, uh, Pierce all, when he broke that run, look at Carly blocking. When Dibo make them runs, look how block it, right? You see the difference But I'll let y'all make it's used to y'all gonna make excuses for them And you know y'all gonna say what Shanna if that was such a search if he was this color you wouldn't say anything So I will let y'all keep doing it. I'm gonna keep letting y'all keep making excuses for everybody and they're gonna keep losing.

Ocho. Yeah. Vivian Ekamay says, can the Cowboys still make the playoffs? Can? Sure, they have the ability to. Will they? Yeah.

Oh, they will make the playoffs. No, that's the better question. Can they? Sure they could. Oh yeah, should they go? Will they? Right, right, right, right. Hey, they'd have to turn it around.

They'd have to have a complete 180. It's just a bad look. Yeah. it's just a bad look. Yeah. It's just a bad, I mean, I mean, and I don't think if you go back and think about it, let me see what the reporter asking. What is Trayvon doing on this play? Leslie, he tweeted it. Yeah.

He tweeted it, but think about it. He did this after, hello, how did Trayvon get his phone so quick so he going straight to IG, he going straight to social media to see what's being said or somebody sent it to him. Yeah, probably somebody, somebody showed him in the locker room or something. Oh Joe, is that not a is that not a reasonable question? Man, what they doing on this play? Yeah, it is.

I mean, I'm just trying, man, these guys bro, man, you bro, y'all got sports guys, y'all got to toughen up, come on now. Y'all gotta let people do their job. sports guys, y'all got to toughen up. Come on now. Yeah. Y'all got to let people do their job. Yeah.

I'm not making any excuses for him. You know, I'm just saying as someone who played it, played the game of football, seeing kiddos going down the sideline, there are two people that are closer than Diggs. And he, in his mind, I'm expecting him to make it tactical. So I was slowing down. He should have, he just should have been going all out.

He should have been going all out. He should have been going all out. Yeah. You can't see that's how you get beat. See that's the expect. That's our loser thing. Because you're expecting somebody else to do something. Then when it happens, so what happens? All it does is make you look bad because he's loafing. Ain't no other way around it. Just because you expect somebody to do something that doesn't mean that you don't bust your butt, right? He's loafing. They know whether a around it anybody that looks at that y'all can see Y'all can see what has happened. He's loafing. They know excuse I ain't trying to beat the man down, but y'all look y'all take a look at that for the self There ain't no excuse. I ain't trying to beat the man down, but y'all look y'all take a look at that for yourself We'll really talk about this tomorrow. Yeah, y'all. Let me know what y'all think

Do y'all think the Trayvon digs was given the kind of effort that you need to win? Maybe this offers a lot to why they're not winning because maybe it's that type of effort more times than not That's not being given Or should I say that's being given? That's that's piss for that's visible. And that's why Lord, I told, I used to tell my mom all the time, mom, you mean to tell me my mom had a last kid at 25. I said, mama, you mean to tell me you couldn't wait till you were 31 32.

So I could have got some of his money. Ocho with my personality and how wired I could be. Yeah, the cats. Yeah. You don't care about no, they don't care about no one. They care about clicks. They care about make getting the bag. And they get in the bag without having to win. It drives me crazy. It drives me crazy. I mean, he got mad because he loafing.

How the hell you get mad? That's like if I steal something, man, you ain't had to arrest me. The man doing his job. If you would do it, let me ask you a question. Do you think that do you think that reporter tweets that if Trayvon digs busting his ass? No. We've been that it wouldn't have been. It would have been nothing to pick at.

Nothing to Nick pick at. That's the thing. Yeah. Oh, Joe, my job is not to give you something to talk about. Right. Right. If you give me if this is what we know about people, Joe, if you give them something to talk about what they're going to do,

what Joe talk about it. Yeah. If you give them something to talk about what they're going to do, what's your talk about it? Keep people out your business. Keep them out. Not yes, they're going to try to figure it out. Yeah. They're going to maybe even make up some stuff, but you know the truth. Come on, digs. You better than that.

I know you better than that, bro. You don't want that on tape That's a bad look cuz your teammates gonna see that That's the thing that's the guys you don't want to let down Yeah, I mean hey, they see what they see blah blah blah But you don't want the guys in the locker room to see that kind of effort bro. Come on, man. You better than that Yeah, I hate it bro locker room to see that kind of effort, bro. Come on, man. You better than that. I am. I hate it, bro. I just couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't know Joe.

I ain't going to lie. I couldn't. It, I care too much. Yeah. I care. I care. I care entirely to F and much. It bothered me when we lost

I ain't want to see nobody it was no kiki kid. I took my black ass home Well, I want to be out eating. I want somebody to see my face, right? Hell I didn't I ain't go I didn't really go out when we won I damn sure wasn't going out when we lost to do what to talk about what? Right To do what? To talk about what? Right. Lord have mercy. Come on. Come on guys. Work with us. Work with us. OBN 23 said Jerry needs to sell the team and hire Troy as the GM. One thing we know for certain, the Cowboys will be in Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones probably got that in his estate. The Cowboys cannot be sold.

That's his pride and joy. Yeah, absolutely. Next to his kids. Absolutely. Cowboys. That's how he's known. That's how he got on the map. Cause there got a lot of guys that got way more money than Jerry,

but they're not as known as Jerry. Hey kid, here boy. I wish him the best though, boy. This is, this is, whew, we're for. Well, that concludes our episode of Nightcap. Thank you for joining us. I'm your favorite on Shannon Sharp. He's 85 from Liberty City. Pro Bowler, all Pro, Ring of Fame, Marder Reef, for the Bingo.

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