Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Deshaun second surgery, Zion suspended by Pels, Butler throws shade

Episode Date: January 11, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Cleveland Browns QB Deshaun Watson undergoing a second surgery on his right Achilles tendon rupture since October. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss New Orleans Pelicans suspending Zion Williamson after he was reportedly late to team flight to Philadelphia, Miami Heat’s Jimmy Butler throwing shade at Pat Riley.03:20 - DeShaun Watson undergoes surgery for torn achilles12:25 - Pelicans suspend Zion26:21 - Jimmy Butler throws shade at Pat Riley37:57 - Lupe Fiasco becomes a professor47:48 - Q and Ayyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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season ending process. He complained of discomfort after rolling the ankle in Miami. MR results demonstrated a re- rupture of the Achilles. Allegedly, allegedly, there's a video was taken 62 days after surgery. Ocho, let's take a look at the video. Yeah, if you notice, go ahead. Ocho, what normally happens, I've had a lot of, I don't know if you've had teammates that have ruptured their Achilles, they're normally in a boot for at least three months.

What makes this injury so difficult to repair, to recover from, is that when they put you in a boot, the muscles start to atrophy. So now, you know what happened, now you got weakness. So now you have to build that calf muscle. Now you have to build all those muscles up. So you can't do anything. It's not like an ACL, Ocho. They get your butt in there. The day after surgery, they got you bending that leg. They got you raising it, squeezing that quad muscle, trying to get it firing. They put in stem on it to get that muscle firing to keep that muscle from

atrophy. Well, when you're in a boot, there ain't really anything that you can do. 62 days after surgery, Deshawn didn't have the boot on. This is why. And also, remember, we had a conversation. I'm like, why is he reworking his contract when he got guaranteed money? Now we know why, don't we? Hmm. Now we know why.

Remember, I said, Ocho, he got guaranteed, why would I rework my contract? Y'all can't do nothing. He's gonna miss all of 25. He missed a large part of 23. He missed damn near all of 24. He's gonna miss all of 25. Mm.

Listen, I guess a lot of, I don't wish injury on nobody. You already know how I feel about injuries in general. It's unfortunate. I've been one who's, who stood high, you know, and hoping that we get to Deshaun Watson of old. This is a setback, you know, for him. It's also a setback for the Browns. Uh, I'm, I'm curious to see what the Browns are going to do at that position.

Um, knowing where they pick in the draft, if they're able to find someone to, to, to, to, to play the quarterback position where you bring a veteran in, would it be maybe Kirk Hutton, uh,? Would it be maybe Kirk Hudson? Can Joe Flacco maybe come back? I'm not sure what they're gonna do, but man, this is not good for them. It's not good for Deshaun. And that's upsetting.

It is, Ocho. Look, when this thing happened, on show, I thought what was going on with the Sean was more mental than physical. Um, it was what transpired and then everybody kind of knew, uh, or thought they knew and what was true was that's not our job. We're not here to try to read, try anything or say somebody innocent or guilty, but what we can say is that when people realize and say, damn, all of this, all this, and let's just say for the sake of our, all of it's true, all of it's real.

It's the fact that everybody knows it's the same thing that happened with Tiger. I mean, think about it, Ocho. Now this different situation, Well, let me know the tiger didn't. People said to Sean may did things against the will. But what I'm saying is that with Tiger. People like Tiger, you still playing golf. Right, right, right. Right. That they saw him in a different light.

Like, yes, now all of a sudden he wasn't this awesome. This family, mad father of two. Mm hmm. Oh, you're a freak. And it messed with him psychologically. I mean, he won one more major after that. That happened in 2000. I would think 2009 Chris were Thanksgiving of 2009. And then he didn't win the major until what? What year did he win the, uh, the, uh, it was the Masters was the last major

that he won because he was stuck on 14 for a very, very long time. Yeah. You know, you know what that comes from as well, obviously, right? Not only are you embarrassed publicly about everyone knowing what, how you conducted yourself away from the game of golf, but if anything, what you could have done is you could have stayed true to yourself. Stay true to yourself. Everybody knows now. So why don't, don't change because not only did it change you as a golfer, you

were winning majors and playing extremely well at the, at the height of your game. When you were doing whatever it was you were doing outside outside of the golf course Yeah, I think I think everybody find out you might as well just stuck to the script But here's the thing. I was looking at a script if you look at guys that have built big big brands. What are they all being? Hmm that's what we sell it He's the all American guy. Why 2.5 kids house white picket fence. Go look at the guys that have the biggest brand.

Jack Nicholas, Arnold Palmer, Michael Jordan, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahone. You look at that, Kobe, LeBron James. Yeah. Shaq was, go look at the guys that have built these huge brands and what do they all have? The lone exception, what's the lone exception? Ocho. Derrick Jeter.

Rock, I'm talking about people that's building half a billion, billion dollar, you talking about people that's been half a billion billion dollar. You told us oh Joe. Oh I I got that now don't don't do that. So I think You know, it may be that's what you know, maybe that's what he was looking at. Oh Joe The problem is he got married and didn't have his peepee on the control And then everybody knew it. Oh, you're about to be, I don't want everybody to know I'm a freak.

Right. Right. Freak man, freak man, yeah, that's me. I want y'all to know that. Yeah. People knew. Now they look good, cause guess what, Ocho? You walk to the course, everybody looking at you. I bet Tiger shoot the covers last night.

Yeah, and they just say everybody on that goddamn course. Just like him. They just say everybody don't know about it. See? You see a pretty girl at the golf course, I want to shoot for Tiger. I bet that's Tiger people. You thinking what you're thinking. Oh, Joe See

I just Ojo we just we just got to keep it what by widget, but hopefully the Sean have a speedy recovery and then Sean have a speedy recovery and then. He's never going to be the same quarterback again, no joke, never, never. Now it's not really about playing. Well, you, bro, you and your 30s, you want to have a normal life. You want to be walking around like Shannon Sharp and 56 and you 35, 33, 34. Right. You want to have you want to have someone of a a normal life. You wanna be able to walk without a limp.

Hell, you walk with a limp at 32 but hey, you think you'll be a party to. 52, 62. Hell, you're down to need a wheelchair. So now it's about getting a level of health back where you can do stuff. I don't know if he wants kids or he's going to have kids, but you want to want to do something with the kids.

Right. So Sean get well, like I said, I don't know if, uh, at this point in time, I'm not even thinking about playing football. I'm thinking about hitting, tackling this rehab, take it as serious as I possibly can and try to heal up and get back. Cause 20, 25 is over. You're not coming back. You retort in January.

That's a 12 month injury. You're not coming back. You're not playing. You're not playing football until 20, 26. So speedy recovery. Oh, Joe. Yeah. Pelican suspended Zion Williamson after the reportedly after he

reportedly after he reported late to a team flight to Philly. Zion just returned to the court after a 27 game absence. And now he will miss Friday's game against the Sixers. Well, listen, didn't he just sit out after having a small hamstring injury? He missed 27 games. He came back. He sat out again, and then he showed up late to the plane. Playing.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Should I ask you a question? Don't tell. Yes, sir. Do they spring these trips on you or you you, it's not like a surprise test.

Bro, they give you an itinerary. We leave it X time. Right. This man don't care nothing about playing. Look here, guys. At some point in time, we've got to come to the conclusion. If a man is interested in playing basketball for New Orleans, he might not even be interested in playing basketball for New Orleans. He might not even be interested in playing basketball.

How you miss that many games and the first time that you really have to travel and you're going to play, you show up late. Right. No, man. Okay. That that's, that's, that's not, you don't care. That's not, you don't care. And then for him to get suspended, for him to get suspended.

I mean, that was his first time. Really? Or they're trying to send a very, very strong message. What would that message be? Bro, you bull driving. So we're going to start taking a hundred, $150, $200,000 from you. Right. Well, you listen, now you got to be careful now.

You got, you got to be careful. Cause not now, if you think he. Well, you listen, now you got to be careful now. You got, you got to be careful because not now, if you think he bull driving, you know, and you start taking money from them, then you're going to see you. You got to deal with the pushback. Oh, so that's what we're doing. All right. We know what I don't want to be in them. Well, that's very obvious. Have you, have you, have you seen, I mean, what gave you, tell me what gave you the impression that he wanted to be there? Yeah, they come out and say you don't want to play there The normal tell me you show me with your actions see I see better than I hear here

Yeah, I hear you telling me you want to be there, but I see every time I turn around, you hurt. I see every time I turn around, I gotta put a weight clause in your contract to make sure you don't overeat. You're not healthy. You're not taking a seat. Bro, how you show up late when you know my job.

We travel, Ocho. They done gave you that itinerary. Right. We get that itinerary, we get Friday. Okay, we leave it at such and such. Okay, we got practice, boom, boom, boom. We got blah, okay. Got practice tomorrow morning.

We got meeting. We got walk through, playing leaves at 3.30. They didn't spring that only. Right. Man, I wonder what time the plane, man, I thought we'd leave it at bro. Man's I young, Ben stock here and all y'all, but I, but I, but I, I, I fought a lot of the people in the chat, man, let that man Leo, man, he young. Young fat people become old fat people.

And old fat people don't live long. You ever see an old fat person, Ocho? Uh-uh. Uh-uh. Nope. You got it, you't get it together. I don't know. I don't know when it was 19.

They said that when it was 20. They said that when it was 20, what house are you now? 22 or 23? Well, you know what I think you need on? You hear me? What I think you need to change the scenery. No, you need to change the beating habit. He's OK.

Y'all said that when he was 19. Oh, he gonna get it together. Oh man, let them stall him out. He said that when he was 20. Man, come on, man, you being hard on him, bro. At 21, oh, damn. 22, oh, let the man believe him. Damn, he can't enjoy himself.

At 23, now he 24, so what is it now? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's the same story, Ocho. Yeah. Yeah. Over and over. I mean, don't, I mean, don't you want to have enough pride? You see, that's what hurt. That's what hurt Ocho. You see the talent level. You see what he can be, what he could be. But it don't mean enough to him. You know, listen, you know, he was supposed to be next to land as a face of the NBA.

Huh? Coming out. Oh Joe, before you go any farther, Zion has reportedly been laid for multiple practices reported by Chris Hayes, a pattern of behavior that led to the organization. So not only is he overweight, he lazy. He don't get the practice on time. I told you, I told you it wasn't the first time.

They suspended you for missing a flight. They not suspending you is not your first time. That is, that's an accumulation of things that happens over time where they get fed up. Now, when you get to this point, it's only a matter of time before they move on from you. You know, and there are many suitors. Matter of fact, the Lakers are looking for another piece.

Now that piece can be Zion or that piece could be Jimmy Buckets. I'm not sure which way they want to go. I just, I know who, I know who would be a good mentor that would get him on the right track. That piece can be Zion or that piece could be Jimmy Buckets. I'm not sure which way they wanna go. I just, I... I know who would be a good mentor that'll get him on the right track. So he gonna show up late, but he get mad at DoorDash when it come late.

Ha ha ha ha. Hey, boy, you shot out for that one. That's a good one. That's a good one. I mean, come on, come on, come on, man. Bro, you're making $30 million a year. Ocho, that is your job. If you late for practice, you late for the plane,

and you overweight. Feel like, well, hell, I might as well go for the trifecta. I'm gonna be overweight, late for pregnancy, and I'm gonna miss the play. Yeah, they- That's a damn shame. One thing about it, you know, them NBA boys, they make what I call F-U money, you know?

And I don't think they wanna- But don't give it back. Yeah. Why would you give it back to him? Yeah. Hey, one thing it back to him? Yeah. Hey, one thing about it though, you know, as you get when he healthy boy, boy, he's special. I tell you, you know what, don't y'all.

Everybody talking about, Oh, I love Michael Jordan, killer instinct. I love the one mama mentality. Well, y'all need to ask how many times were Michael and Colby late? Since y'all love so much of, Oh, y'all love that aspect, but it's not that aspect that made them great. It was the other thing that made them great. Yeah, they did everything right though. They had a different type of discipline. They had a different type of mentality. Their approach to the game was completely different. They cut from a different cloth in general. You really can't compare them and their preparation

and the way they approach the game and their craft to anybody else. They in a class that they own. All I'm saying, Nocho, everybody, look, everybody doesn't have the same level of talent. The one thing you can control is you, your effort. God gave you X amount of talent. The one thing you can control is you. You're average. God gave you X amount of talent. You can get a little better by your work ethic and things that you do. But you

only gonna be so good. I can't make you be on time. Right? It's got to matter to you. Yeah, I Can't I can't see here is the problem that you run into anybody that's been injured You see what happens is that you get if you get injured during the season. Guess what you can't work out Well, you can't work out and you still eat the exact same Because if you can't control your eating when you play it and work it What makes you think you're gonna be able to control your eating when you play it and work it what makes you think you're gonna be able to control your eating when you not running up and down that court 35 40 minutes a night mm-hmm that's our young problem he

get hurt during the season and he might be at a comfortable way you don't even you don't even care. He don't care. I refuse to believe it. Man, you don't know that man. I know enough. I know his weight. I know he late. And if the reports are to be believed, I know Chris Hayes very well.

He used to be with us at Undisputed all the time. Yeah. You don't care. Cause that's, that's a lot. That's not caring. Yeah. You got, you got to get the, I wonder who we got. I'm wondering who we got running, bro. You know?

Yes. People, they tell it what he wanted to hear, not what he needs to know. Because if I tell you what you need to know, Ocho, guess what? You're going to stop the bus and ask me to get off, man. I don't want to get not what he needs to know because if I tell you what you need to know Ocho guess what you're gonna stop the bus and ask me to get off man I don't want to get off this ride and I need some of that reflective shine because if I'm with you if the spotlight on you and I'm with you little that shine go hit on Shay too. Right. I'm up in there hey yeah that my boy Zion oh you with you know Zion well come on over here then you know what what I'm saying, don't you? Yeah, I understand, I understand. He got the wrong people riding.

He, he's just, listen, he should just hang with me. Hang with me, I'll get him, right? Bro, you eating McDonald's? That's the last person he need to hang with. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, I'm talking about- You said McDonald's. You said, hey, so you want him to eat McDonald's? No, I'm gonna get him on my nutritional plan. It has nothing- McDonald's you said hey, so you want to eat McDonald's? No, I'm gonna get him on my nutritional plan

McDonald's No, no a nutritional plan for him. No, that's not what you said. You said hang with you everybody That's come on this show. Hey eat McDonald's. That's what you said Chad But I'm saying I'm saying but also I'm trying to keep him on the court. He don't want to be on the court. He on the court. If in the mall, it's called a food court. He all over that. I don't know if it knew, uh, I haven't spent a whole lot of time.

I spent a little bit of time in New York. I don't know if they got mall, but I'm sure they probably got the, uh, they might not have the like, they might have, what do they call it? Like in Miami, would it have the out, like an outdoor mall or something? Cause we don't like in Atlanta, we got indoor malls, right? You know what I'm saying? And they got a food court. Right.

He brought that one. Oh, he spent a lot of time. I guarantee he's been 40, 50 minutes a night on that court. Well, you, you know what? The fact that he's playing New Orleans and he has a problem with his weight, and New Orleans is probably the best place when it comes to food. Probably one of the top places when it comes to food. Where the hell can you go they don't have good food?

Name a city that you can go when you got a contract for $150 million that you can't get good food. And if you got a contract for $150 million, guess what else you can get? You can get hired damn chef. Yeah. Well, maybe he has a chef and we don't know it, huh? Well, he need to fire him. Because if your chef got your ass 20, 30 pounds overweight, you need to get rid of him.

It just, it's so many resources and unlimited resources where you had that kind of money and you, it just, I don't understand how, how, how it's an issue. I know I do. I don't know. When a player don't care. When a player doesn't care, Ocho? Yeah. And Ocho, we've seen it. We've seen guys, they just doesn't care, Ocho? Yeah. And, Ocho, we've seen it. We've seen guys, they just didn't care.

No matter what you say, bro, you could make you some money. It didn't matter. Yeah, man. Damn. That's unfortunate. Kind of sad, too, man. Young Bull is the real deal. Yeah, like you said, it'd be very interesting to see.

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He had no problem with that, but he wasted five years of his NBA career. Five. Just like that. And I'm gonna give a little advice, Ocho. As you get older, it gets harder to get that weight off. Oh yeah. But there's some people that have small frames and ain't no problem. That ain't you. He ain't got no small frame.

You know what's funny? When you think about it, he struggles with weight. He struggles with his weight at such a young age. So if you struggle with your weight and try to keep it down at such a young age You know what happened is you get older and get harder to get that thing up off for you Yes, yeah as you get older to get it up off for you. I mean you got to work two times as hard as opposed to young He might hey, I don't know is a zempic against a zempic against the thing try to sympathize some of glutein But the problem with that stuff is that it wastes your muscles away.

That's why I can tell. I can tell everybody that take that stuff, look at the muscle. It's just flabby because it eats your muscle. You ever seen people that's been stranded like people? You hear people, they got stranded in the river. They got stranded on the island. Look at the body. They got no muscle definition. That's what it does. Yeah, it curves your appetite, but got stranded on the island. Look at their body. They got no muscle definition. That's what it does.

Yeah, it curves your appetite, but your muscles just waste away. Mm hmm. That's why I look at people. Oh, yeah, you're you're on that road, man. They own it. It's. Oh, I just don't get it, but I just I just hate to see guys. I just hate to see us be in a situation where we could just have so much. Right.

And it doesn't mean enough to him to just go get it, but it is what it is. Jimmy Butler throws shade at Pat Riley. Jimmy posted a video on IG story talking to his employee, saying, see, I gave you a compliment. That's what bosses do. They build you up. They don't break you down

Yeah, Jimmy Jimmy going through it Jimmy went out of there for and this is something you've never seen never seen From any player that's played for the Heat You've never seen this before you never you already know Pat is also Pat Riley's what I've seen from Jimmy before Yeah, yeah, we've seen it. I mean with the Bulls. So is it Pat or Jimmy? He had an issue with, not in Minnesota,

wasn't it not Minnesota? Yeah, he had an issue with Minnesota. He had an issue with the Bulls. Yeah, where else was it? He was in Philly. In Philly, yeah. They had an issue with him. They thought he was too abrasive.

Steve, I'll give you the first one, Ocho. The first situation, I'm gonna give you that. Right. You know what? Oh, hey, you know what, Ocho? First marriage, ended in divorce. You know what? Hey, we just couldn't see eye to eye. You know, she thought I was going left when I was going right, so forth and so on. Okay, you get divorced the second time. Damn. Now you, you're okay. You, you, you're in a situation where, hey, maybe, hey, we, we both wanted to part ways. Okay.

Right. Now here it is. You met, but, uh, dissolve a third marriage. Now the common denominator in these marriages is you. Yeah. That first time I might have believed it was her. Right. Well, we know what the issue is now in this situation. In this case, obviously, we know Jimmy wants his money. Now, in other words, if I gave him a two year extension for one hundred

and twenty one million dollars, he's finding joy again. Huh? Yeah. So it ain't your. Oh, OK. I'm just making sure I'm just making sure you want to say. You know, you know, listen, money, money make you happy now. Yeah. I'll be full grad. Are you happy right now? Hell no. I'm gonna get so mad at you.

Now that you mentioned it, you brought it back up. I'm even more, you know what? I'm even more ticked off that you know you owe me and they broke brand with me, you know what? No, I'm just trying to use that as an example. Now you can, you pay me. I'm about to make an example out of you. I'm about to use you as an example.

Since you like examples. That baby was talking about, hey, oh you have, I owe you $4,000. Don't use me as your example. Use me as an example as the guy that you paid That's the kind of example I won't I've been trying to pay the last two shows, but you don't want to download the apps Why do I got a break what I normally do?

Well, no cash out on choke. I Don't have email. I got so I don't know how to. I can't get no game. I can't even play no games. Listen, you have you have to evolve with the time you have a team of people. You didn't evolve. How do you evolve and be I can't even see a simple transaction. To $4,000. That's what I pay somebody to do all the stuff that I can't do. Okay, well, let me let me send the four thousand dollars to the people who pay who you pay to do the stuff. Where they do that at? Oh I owe the bank. Oh bank let me see your money to somebody else. Well obviously obviously if

you don't if you don't have a route number you don't have a route number you don't have Apple pay you don't have cash app you don't have Venmo. I got something better than Apple pay. Huh? I got something better than Apple pay. What's that? Ocho pay. Man, listen, today is your third day. But listen to me now.

Now I'm being very respectful, you know? I'm very respectful of my elders. Now this is the third day I've tried to pay you. After three strikes, after the third strike, now you out. Now the money just, the money goes into a vault. And I can't see you until I see you in person in February in New Orleans. You remember when Stewie beat Brian up by this money?

It's ain't no guarantee I'm having it either. You remember when Stewie beat Brian up by this money? Yeah. He said, you got money for fake mustachees, but you ain't got money to pay me. And this, and guess what happened? Brian went in his pocket and gave Stuart his money, didn't he? Yeah.

I'm just trying to. Oh Joe. I don't have that stuff. I just told you, you want me to go take a picture? You can see Ash. Ash account is on my Netflix and Amazon. Everybody in the chat has told you on multiple occasions, it's a simple download on your iPhone.

You have an iPhone, you have Wi-Fi. I do. Go to you. I got two iPhones. Oh, you got two iPhones. Yep. Oh, so now you're showing out. You're showing out.

OK. You got two phones too. I got one phone. That's all you. You're showing out. OK. You got two phones too. I got one phone. That's all you need. Now. Exactly. OK, so that means you got 60 extra $100. And all you got to do is add $2,400 to it

and give me my money. I'm trying to give it to you. That's what I'm trying to explain to you. But you're making things difficult. How am I making things difficult? You owe me! I didn't even want to bet you! And I let you off easy.

You said OBJ was going to get a thousand yards. Okay, I owe you five thousand then. Ain't no problem. You just throw in the I owe you five thousand. When you going to pay it? When you download one of the apps where I can make exactions. I don't, Ocho, Ocho, even if I downloaded it, I wouldn't know how to get it. I should explain it to you. No, I should explain. Not count.

You have a team of people that can explain it to you how I can see the money. At this point, you just don't want the money. I want it. I mean, if you just download the app. No. I'm trying to be respectful. I'm trying to be respectful I don't want to get added to it because I owe you but you about to make oh you about to get out of To buy my money He's about to get an attitude about my money not me get out of. He about to get an attitude. Chad, you heard this man? Hey, I'm just, hey, I'm trying to make life easy for you, man.

That's bad saying, man, oh, you about to make me get an attitude. Listen, I don't, I don't, listen, I don't wanna, I don't wanna jump over Elvis. I'm not like that. I wanna, I wanna, I wanna. I promise you. I promise you. I told you, I want to, I want to. I promise you.

I told you, I ain't got no problem. I can't stop nobody from jumping on me. But if I can't get you off, I want you to stay right there. But I promise you, I promise you, if you grab me, I'll make you turn me loose. I guarantee you, you turn me loose. You know, I know judo now. I know, I know judo. I would say, all I'm saying is you, I can't stop nobody from grabbing me, but I'm going to make you turn me loose.

All right. Let's say he, he talking about he go, he got an attitude. Hey man, listen, I'm trying to help you. I'm trying to make life easy for you and you're trying to complicate things. I ain't trying to complicate it, Ocho. I could have sent you your money three days ago. We on day three and I'm still telling you to download the app. You don't want to download that.

I mean, you just don't want the money. I'm trying. There's nothing, there's nothing. The people in the chat, I think they've grown frustrated as well. I want one of them big old checks. I want one of them big old checks. I want to go big checks like they give you at a, if I won the lottery. Matter of fact, you know what?

I could do that. That's what I want. At the show. We work at the show. We're, we're starting to show it. We'll start the last show. I'm bringing your money when I'm big old, when I'm big checks. Now listen, now I'm a post-dating now. Don't you go cat.

Don't you go turn on to go cast that until I, until that man tell me he go post, but he go post date my check. He already late with back. He go post-date it. Hey, you know how black book is now I'm gonna let you know. Now I'm gonna let you know where to put it in the bank. Yeah. That money will be there till Friday. Hey, and you put it in there before the data I take to put it in there.

Ain't gonna be no money there. Now that's all new. The money will be there till Friday at noon. Now if you take your ass to the bank at Friday at nine, okay. They can pull your ass in the back. So I to the bank at Friday at nine, okay, they go pull your ass in the back. So I'm just telling you Friday at noon, cash the check. Nine, 10, 11, 59. Don't you take your ass to the bank and try to cash your check now.

This man said he's going to post-date my check and he already late. Yeah, just to make sure. Just to make sure. This man said he gonna post date my shit and he already late. Yeah, just to make sure. Well, won't you add interest since you post dating? Well, what you want me to do? All right, 5200. Thank you. That ain't none. Oh, big ball.

Oh, you a big baller. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. Oh, you. Oh, yeah Yeah, 20 20 24 20 25 is been off to a is been phenomenal for me, you hear me God has favor my cup runneth over Your skulls gonna run it over you'll give me my money. That's the next thing that's gonna be running over.

God, he's cool. Yeah, okay. Oh man. All right. Lupe Biasco becomes the first rapper to be a university professor, teaching rap to students pursuing bachelor's degree in hip hop music at John Hopkins. Ocho, which college class would you teach?

I mean, if there was a course, if there was a course that I could teach, uh, on some that I love, some that I'm passionate about being that Lupe Fiasco is a, um, he's a rapper, so he's, he's very world verse in that area for me would probably have to be, um, uh, Marine biology. Yeah. Marine biology would, would, would have to be something that I would do. It's something that I have a passion about. If it's not Marine biology, it'd probably have to be, um,

Oh, Joe, do you know the difference between a mullet and a crustacean? Well, I'm wait, hold on. When we talk about marine biology, it would be in specifics on what I have interest in that. So now this man to the marine biology, I just asked you a simple question. What do I know the difference between what a mullet and a crustacean? Yeah crustacean is a restaurant in LA. Yeah I'll pay marine biology you'll call it.

We about to get some with football. What about rock running? No no no no no no marine biology now then that their specifics when it comes to when you talk about marine biology under the umbrella of It in its totality now when it comes to killer whales and dolphins, that's my expertise You just can't talk about marine but you just can't talk about chill killer whales and dolphins, but that's my specialty You you do realize in order to have a special let's just say for the sake of argument, you want to be an orthopedic. You do realize you just can't say, you know what, I'm going to be an orthopedic. You got to go to four years of med school, then you got to do a residency, and then you

got to do another two to four years of a specialty. So you just don't get to do the specialty without having the six years of the training. Right, that's fine. So I do of the training. Right, that's fine. So I do have the training. I have the training. Listen, I have 57 years of experience of training. So, I mean, you know, it's something that I could do. Oh man. What would you do if you as a professor and had opportunity to- History. History. Yes.

What kind of history is different types of history? Now what kind of history we're talking about? World history. What we can do, we can do black American history. We can do, uh, we can do, you know, uh, civil war. We could do a civil war. Yeah. And all the people, what type of history you want to talk about? I do have a minor in history.

I do. I did win Jeopardy. You know, I won Jeopardy. I win dunkle. I beat you every night. Yeah. I mean, but you're brief on those questions. There's a difference.

Like I'm not, I'm not briefed on any of the things that I'm going to be spelling. So, I mean, it's a little bit more difficult for me. Hey, look, I don't say, I'd never say a spelling was my strong suit. History is my strong suit. My ability to recall dates and events. I think it's pretty good. Okay. Well, listen, I just have a question for you. You say history calling.

What year was it that the Roman Empire failed? Oh Lord have mercy. What year did the Roman Empire? Do you know? Oh yeah, I know. I want that. Definitely know. And in my face, I have a backup question to that. Maybe you know this one.

There's a young wars have been started all over the world. Yes. War with the Romans and the Greeks started over. What women? What is the woman's name? What woman? The Trojan War. Yes, there's a you know, and still to this day, wars are started over women.

Cleopatra. And that's wrong. It was Helen of Helen of Troy. Now, I don't think history is your strong suit. Oh, history is my strong suit? No. Ocho, I beat you every night! No, you beat me and stuff you're briefed on and already know the answer to. No, I know the answer to because I've read over the years and recall it.

No. No. Man, y'all see Ocho? Ocho! I just asked you. I just asked. Ocho, who will owe Jeopardy in one? Who will owe Jeopardy in one? Listen, if I'm a student in your class, you just have a question that I'm gonna ask you as my history teacher, hoping you have the answer to. Okay, how about this? In the movie Glory, what war did they fight that ended the movie? Ocho, you do realize, Ocho, you do realize like, so you'd like doing like a lot of Greek mythology and stuff like that. Ocho, you said Marine biology. You said, okay, that's my specialty.

All I'm saying is in order to get to a specialty, you've got to do six years, six to eight years before you train for the specialty. I did. You understand I was in school for years since I was in kindergarten. I had more than six to eight years. No, that doesn't count. That doesn't count. That doesn't count. That doesn't count. It counts. That man say that count. All those years I spent in school, all that counts. No, no, no, trust me, that don't count, old Joe. That's a that's a different level.

My daughter's still in med school. I'm still I'm wondering what she get now. She seems like she's been in school. She's been in school for about eight years, though, for real. No seems like she been in bad school. She been in bad school for about eight years though, for real though, no bulljie. Oh man. And she finally got, she go graduate in June

and having to go have to relocate again. That bad said, that bad said. That bad said he been in school. So Ochoa want to teach Marine biology. Yeah. Yeah. I don't really know. Look, people need to start getting away from majors that ain't making no money.

What you gonna do with that? Work at a zoo? Wait, that's not the problem. Now the problem is not the majors, right? So you can have a major in whatever it may be, communications, business. The issue is finding a job that pays. Well, you already know. That's the hard part.

All you gotta do is go say, OK, occupation, top 50 occupations, top 20 occupations, top 10. That's not the problem. The problem is actually getting a job. It's the degree that you have. It's hard to get the damn job. Well, most of the time, most of the time, Ocho people don't actually work in the field that they got a degree in. I got, cause I get a degree, Ocho then I got, and I'm looking for that field.

But in the meantime, I got to take a job. Cause I got to pay the bills. Right now, after I've been here for five or six years, damn, trying to get a job in my field, I've already settled in. I got seven years towards the retirement as opposed to starting over and try to get several more years. So I went 14 years and hell, I still got, now they talking about they try to do probably look like they might raise the age of Medicare when you can retire

retire at age what 65 they talk about go to 70 72 hmm who the hell want to work that long and just die what she No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

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Follow The Big Take podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen. ["The Big Take"] All right, Ocho, time for our last segment of the evening. It's time for Q&A. Oh man, that was good. Nick Marza, Ocho, was quick to pay that rev, but holding out on, oh, he was.

Offer the money, offer the rev money on the spot. That's because I had the money in my sock. Okay, come on man, can't wait for Nolan's show to see Ocho come off the money live. Ocho, you need a ride from the airport. I live 10 minutes away. I got you and McDonald's on me. Love y'all Yeah, yeah Hey pick me up long as you don't have me late Yeah time then I got a ride. I would leave. Yeah

J-dub from accurate. Oh Joe the jersey you owe me and $5,200 collected interest nightcap must be paying his light bill since he don't play his deck. Also, will you be upset this weekend, Steelers over the Ravens, your Broncos over the Bills? Ocho gonna be mad. Ocho mad anyway, he might not even watch the game. What you watching the game for?

I'm gonna watch the game, I'm gonna have my glasses. You ain't got no team player. I'm on Bifocals. You ain't got no team player. I'm on bifocals. What you ain't got no team player. Because after the game, after the game, I can't wait to be getting on the show because I don't want to hear you say football. I'm waiting. You say play or off.

And by the way, I don't want to hear you say offset. I don't want to hear you say offside. I want to hear you say off brand. No, boy, you better hope you better hope y'all have a miracle because boys gonna be off. It's gonna be home. That's all unnecessary. It's gonna be home. Yeah.

I'm just trying to figure out why you want to watch the game. Watch. Don't worry about it. I'm gonna watch it with all my bagel fans. What? What they watching? Y'all lose? Hey, I got two teams.

Neither one of your teams in the playoffs. Neither all three of your teams out of the playoffs. Three. Damn! You know how bad you gotta be to go over? Who the third, who my third team? Dolphins. Who my second team? Patriots.

I don't have nothing to do with the Patriots. You got everything to do with them. Your name is in the record book. You got a touchdown from Tom Brady. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was me. That was me. That was me.

Yeah, that was you. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And the show right now, we're trying to see where some technical difficulties. Sunday show might be canceled. What happened? Ain't no telling.

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, that man said you owe him a jersey, Ocho. Get a man a jersey, man. Hey, matter of fact, hey, I got, you know what? I got some jersey right at the house too. He's supposed to give acid information. You got some Jersey right at the house too. He's supposed to get ass and information. You got some money right in your bank account.

I ain't got it. He ain't got his Jersey. He's supposed to send ass and information. Ass sent it to you. Ass sent it. No, he's supposed to ask for the Senator, you know who? No, she sent it to you. You know who, Ocho? No, she do all the mailing and stuff. No, she said she ain't working for you right now. She is. He he he he he he he two. What do you, what do you expect with

him? I expect the better than what I got. Man. Yeah, with that kind of talent, with the defense like that. Oh Joe, you realize, oh Joe, you do realize he originally committed to Ohio State. Ohio State, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I heard the announcer say it earlier in the game, yeah? It seemed like a lot of great quarterbacks that went to Ohio State and left and did pretty well for themselves. No, only one. Joe. Patterson Yadza said, oh'll go note your apparently Texas team playing in AT&T state of our allergic to winning big playoff game.

Quinn, you was turning to Quinn Prescott. I'm not having fun anymore being Dallas or Texas fan. Everybody can win in Dallas up sub teams that played that play from Texas. Damn. They had a from Texas. Damn. They had, they had a chance now. Yeah. They definitely had a chance. Damn.

Supreme. She said yours is not that guy. Texas law three times this season, the same way they did. Mm. Hmm. They did. They did. I didn't, like I said, I didn't see what the evaluators saw early on. You know, hey, I have, you know, you sometimes don't show, you gotta give grades, these are young kids, they're in college and you know, they don't,

they have other things to do. They got study hall. Uh, you know, they got school. This is not a full time job for them. Although some colleges that you think of the full time job, you go to Ohio state of Alabama, Texas, Georgia. I'm sure they get their money's worth out of you, but you have to give back grace. But bro, the mistakes that he makes in the throws bro some of that stuff is just routine. I ain't saying you're gonna be perfect all the time but I just saw a

lot of stuff that he misses I like what. Dogbrother said oh which ESPN colleague are you walking with in the championship game since their sons will be faced off against each other? Ryan Clark or Kurt Herbstreet. I really love being a Notre Dame fan. I've been Ohio State fan. I'm trying to think, do I got any? Oh, hell, the only. Who? Tony Rice on my. I think Tony Rice, my quarterback in the Hula Boat in

the East West Shrine game so you can see if he was my quarterback so Bryce Tony Rice yeah I think he was my quarterback at the East West Shrine game and then I played a Ned Bocar I think was was on my team to use a linebacker Was Tony raised my quarterback Oh, oh well Oh, man, Ohio State is a nine point, a nine and a half point favorite already. They got their work. I mean, Notre Dame got their work. I don't know if Notre Dame could score enough points, Ojo.

Right. They got to keep it. They got to keep. They got to make this a, they got to make this a 17-14 type of game. Got it. They got to keep it low scoring and to make this a 17 14 type of games Gotta get gotta keep it low-scoring and they can't do that simply because the defense is that good. I agree. I agree I was in the East. So what'd it say who's the quarterback? Yeah Right, I went back did Mike book grow? Montana?

Cause I know deep freeze with the other team's quarterback, the West all stars, John freeze from Idaho. I don't know who Troy Taylor is. I have no idea who Troy Taylor is. Maine, I know he went to one of them schools. Sean DeVille. What about the all-American newcomer redshirt for Baylor, Bryson Washington? I don't know him. Me neither.

Sean, I'm sorry, I don't know him. Is he related to you or something? Is that your son? You left? I'm sorry. Huh? Jonathan Shelton said, I like to say the game, your Broncos beat the Bengals in 02. Ocho has six for 95 and you had one for 23. Put some respect on his name. Second, can you reflect on the game in 0-2 when Dante Hall had that iconic jute against the Broncos? Yeah, I remember that.

Man, I think I had a big game to end up calling it back. I think I might have had a touchdown against the, the Bengals and called it back. Nah, nah, nah. I know I called a bunch of touchdowns against you. Not me specifically because I wasn't playing. Your team, the Bengals. That's because I didn't play defense.

All I know is I beat the Bengals more than they beat me. And I beat them when you was on the team. Were you on the team in 02? Yeah, I was there. Okay, so you had, so with that, you had a six for 95 and one touchdown. That's me. That's me.

And a losing effort. That was me. And a losing effort. There's nothing I can do. I'm more than- You could have had 10 catches for 165 yards and three touchdowns. They only threw me what I had.

Everything they threw me, I caught. You caught that ale too, cause we threw that too. Got it. Yeah, oh yeah. I was on the sideline when Dante Hall did that move. That was live. That was live, the human joystick. Bro, he had some boy, hey that joke was there,

with shake, yo. Ooh, wee. Oh, Joe, he could do it, man. Yeah. He wouldn't. I'm a rascal, man. It was nice. I still don't know how he got out of that. I still don't know how he got out.

He got out of a few times. Yes. Start star had guys running in each other, had a couple of guys missing twice. After I missed you one time, I'm gonna stay on the ground. You ain't finna make me look bad twice. Lady Ray said, hey guys, thanks in advance for helping me achieve my New Year's resolution of finally seeing a live nightcap show. See y'all in NOLA. Lainey, look forward to it.

Come up, introduce yourself. I'm sure we've had a few people that, uh, in Atlanta and Houston and Dallas, uh, what you call them came to both shows. Dr. Frank, Dr. Frankie, she was in Vegas and she came to Atlanta. So doc, we count on you. Oh yeah.

Fly91, I for sure Googled the NFL minimum and it was 795, Ocho said he make 10 times that. He got that money on top of three McDonald franchise. I know he got it. I know he got it, but he want a halftime meat. Oh, get it. Hey, I want you to get what I want you to, no bro. No, no, no, no, no, no.

And everybody in the chat told me what you need to do. You want to make things difficult. Like, and you know, I'm trying to keep calm. I'm trying to be nice, you know. I've done all I can. At this point, you know, you're my co-host, and I don't want to say, you know, get it in blood, because I don't think things need to go that far.

They don't need to go that far. You feel me? I don't think that's far enough. That's me personally. If you ask me. Which I think you are. Why I got to do all that, I got to gotta download this. I gotta reapply for that. It take two seconds.

I ain't got that kind of time. I'm busy. You download the app. You download the app. You push a card information and I send you the money. What kind of card information? Your credit card information. Oh hell no.

So now you get, what you mean? I ain't put no, so now you get what you mean Not on nothing What are you talking about house? Huh? Hi, well you living in the cave man day. That's okay. I'm gonna keep on living But I bet you ain't I bet you ain't nobody running no credit I've run up no bills on my credit card a bit that ain't nobody running up no money I know I ain't running no money on yours either credit card, I bet that. Ain't nobody run up no money either. I know. I ain't run up no money on yours either because of my money in your pocket.

I'm trying to send you your money. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I want you to give it to me, put it in my hands. All right, I got you in New Orleans. 5200. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. Make it rain.

That's fine. Combo starter. What's up Uncle Nocho? Day one, night, Capra Sun. I've seen your grades, you couldn't get into prison. The funniest thing I've heard in a while. Yeah. Uncle Nocho talking about marine biology.

Yeah, absolutely. I don't know what he talking about. I made a Dean's List. Paula Dean or Jimmy Dean? No, I'm talking about, no, the Dean's List. Honor roll. That was me. I was an academic scholar coming to school despite the perception of what people may think. Oh Joe, you ain't make not one honor roll. I was an academic scholar coming to school despite the perception of what people may think. I was a sloth. Oh Joe, you ain't made not one honor roll. Man, you, well I made honor roll in kindergarten. Not me, Lord have mercy.

What, hey, you ain't getting up with stars and cookies. You got stars and cookies all the way through the 12th grade. I counted. I got satisfactories. Exactly. This is Dean's List. And when I was at Harvard. I was on the Dean's List.

Well, I made the Dean's List at Harvard one semester. Oh, Lord have mercy. Yeah, don't do that. Aaron Owens, what's up, Uncle Nocho? What's your script club, Mount Rushmore? Come on, man. Don't do that to me now. Yeah.

Nocho just about to get out of the dog house. Let's let him get on out the dog house after a couple of months. And we'll revisit this area. Man, who asked that question, man? Read the room, man, read the room. Magic. Read the room. Bollies. I don't even go to strip clubs.

I go to Tootsies between seven and nine o'clock. Oh really? Seafood, I go for the seafood. I had been to a whole lot of, like I said, Denver, you know, they had the mile high saloon, I think that's closed down. They had shotgun wheelies and they had diamond cabaret. But I haven't been to a whole lot of them. I ain't really trying to go to no strip club when I go out of town. Oh, Joe, listen, I'm going, I'm going for the food.

And I don't frequent strip clubs. You are going for the food. Mm hmm. Huh? Them legs and thighs, huh? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I ain't going like when I go out of time, I mean, I'm not going that ain't a place I want to be. And I really meant to I really met a woman that wanted to go. I mean, yeah, man, my girl be like, you know, oh, these chick be like, well, damn, I'm meeting wrong people got it down.

I was like, okay. Yeah. Oh, shoot. Hey, that's, that's, that's, that is a fun and exciting type of date or encounter. If you have someone that's willing to go with you and enjoy those times, you know, at, at a strip club, it is, it's fun. You know, um, I know what you call it, I got some A's. Magic. The food like that for real though, Ocho.

That thing be nice and hot. Them fries be hot, them catfish, their tenders. Hold on, I thought we was supposed to be going to Magic two years ago, what happened? You, canceled. Me? It stopped me though. Hehehehe. Dom and Bray said, young passage journalist, Cancel me it stopped me though

Thomas Bray's a young partner young passage journalist and I wanted to hear from this from the players What can I do better to understand the game? What is the worst thing I can do? Watch It did ask and then ask the players what you saw Yeah, ask the players what you saw. Yeah. Ask the coach what you saw. If there's a situation where you think he maybe should have challenged or there's a situation he should have called a timeout,

you just ask what you see. You don't have to get into, you know, the coverages or try to like pretend like you know, coverages and things like that and formations are set. Just ask what you saw. On this play I noticed blah blah blah and just ask and the players will give you an honest assessment. Now the problem, the coach is going to say, well I haven't seen the tape.

I'm going to have to go back and watch it to give you a better understanding. But let me get back to you on that. The players are probably saying, well look, we were trying to we did a we didn't feel it communicated so forth or so But you need to watch the game and then ask the players about what you saw And for the most part they'll give you an honest answer Not the quarterbacks though That concludes this episode of nightcap tomorrow NFL football.

Ooh, the Ravens and Steelers and who is it tomorrow Ravens and the books. You know, okay. So know, they had a feeling Okay, so so both AFC games of tomorrow, oh Please make sure you hit that subscribe button, please make sure you hit that like button And thank you. Thank you so much for joining us for another episode of nightcap. I'm your favorite off Shannon shark. Where am I? I just t-shirt, uh, that guy. It's being a ring of fame, honoree, got it. Refused to pay me my money until I do something bad to it, which I don't want to do. I will bring his family together and I ain't talking about for no family reunion,

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