Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 2: Devin White EXPLAINS LEAVING Tampa + Caleb Williams doesn’t meet LEGEND Aikman + Unc BLASTS Pat Bev for BLAMING Russ Struggles on Lakers

Episode Date: October 16, 2025

Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson are joined by Las Vegas Raider linebacker Devin White to talk about why he left Tampa and how his career is going on in Las Vegas, Caleb Williams talks about how he was unable to meet with Troy Aikman, and Patrick Beverly talks about how the Lakers ruined Russell Westbrooks reputation and much more! 0:00 - Raiders LB Devin White joins the show 24:49 - Caleb Williams on not meeting with Troy Aikman29:50 - Pat Beverly on Russell Westbrook's situation44:54 - LeBron expected to be out until mid-November51:01 - Q & Ayyyyy (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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a defensive rookie of the year. I think he won that award. And he was a Super Bowl, won the Super Bowl. David White, Las Vegas Raiders. Damn, what's going on, man? Dave, you can't hear us. He muted right now.

What's good? What's good? Can you hear me? Yeah, that's what's up. Hey, man, thanks for coming on with us. Oh, for sure, man. Pleasure, man. Appreciate you all having me, man.

What's up, baby, what's good? Man, just cooling, man, just cooling. Hey, let me tell you something. I don't mean to be, I don't mean to be thinking ahead, but I would just talk about Dunk, right? And there's a certain play. I love what y'all have on offense, right? But I mean no disrespect to them boys.

We would just talk about next year, right? What do you think about George Pickens over there in Las Vegas? Tell me that doesn't fit. Hey, you see, listen, stay with me real quick. You see how Mack Crosby, being a Raider, it just fits his demeanor, who he is, what he represents. what you think about, what you think about George Pickers over there?

He definitely got their charisma. See? I told you all. I know what I'm talking about, man. Okay, we can get back to business. That's it. Damn, you got to help me understand this. With all the early success that you had at Tampa,

Pro Bowls, all pros, rookie of the year, win the Super Bowl, I thought you were a lifer because you fit the Derrick Brooks, you fit the Ronde Barber, you fit the John Lynch, you fit the Warren Saps. A physical football player, Tampa known for defense, they're physical.

Leroy Selma, rest his soul, physical defensive player. Why, and then, and then I know you heard, if you didn't hear somebody sent you what Jason Light said, had I known what I know now, probably wouldn't even, I wouldn't have taken it. What went wrong? How, why and how weren't you able to finish your career in Tampa? I think personally I think they just weren't ready to you know give up that bad you know

obviously they knew it was time after my fourth year you know everybody knew the numbers I put up the accolades I had and I wasn't trying to be selfish but I was just I wanted what was due you know I felt like I did everything right there from on the field off the field in the community being a team captain every year and when I asked to get me you know I got looked at crazy you know and I just

And I don't know why. You know, nowadays, players getting paid after three years that go in the first round. And I had to go fight it out on the fifth year option for what? When I already had, you know, even with Levonte David, dog on the team. I led the team in tackles. You know, I got turnovers and, you know, made big plays. And then obviously, like you said, him to come out and say what he said, man, we hosted a Super Bowl trophy together.

So none of that matter, you know, where he knows he'll do it again because I helped him. You know, obviously, you know, on that run that we made. You know, I feel like I was a key part of that, you know, no cockiness. If you look at the numbers and the stats, like, oh, I missed the playoff game and had the most tackles in the postseason out of any player. And I miss one game. I missed the Washington game. Go look it up.

And on the next three games, I was double-digit tackles every game and, you know, getting it in for real. Yeah, and you know what, you know what too, and, and LD, this is one of the things that don't like about the business side of things, even with the numbers, even when you do things right, not only on and off the field when it's time to get paid when it's time to get paid they always look at you funny they look at everybody funny

even those that have the numbers even those that have the stats and it's the same conversation with the better players on each team all the time every year is the same thing you always have to fight tooth and nail for your value

you always got to fight tooth and nail for what you're worth despite putting up the numbers they're gonna find something they're gonna put something in your contract they're gonna talk to your agent and crazy and just i don't know i i hate that side of the business but listen i'm glad you got what you deserve and you doing your thing how disappointed were you because like you said you hoisted

a lombardi trophy in your building together you you you you the ups and the downs and you know you had some setbacks and you like you accomplished all these things and i'm sure because when we had you on my own show you talked about hey i'm going to be a life and you know like you know like Sam and I see Brooks then when they come around and I see their names up in the stadium. That's what I want for, that's what I want for D. White. Yeah, I think, I was very disappointed. Just, you know, like I said, I'm always piggyback off Levantay. You know, he do everything right.

That's my big brother, like, to this day. And I thought I was coming in to, like, take over the role and be the next great one after him. Obviously, he still ain't slowing down. He's still going. And, bro, we both made all protein together. We was always in the top 100 together. led the team in tackles together. And I just thought I was going to just be his successor.

But, you know, at the end of the day, I was very disappointed, man, because that's somewhere I want to be. But that also made my hurt hurt a lot worse because I had already started counting my eggs that didn't have yet in Tampa. And I was dialed in. Like, I got, I still got a place there. And I was about to buy another spot across from my place to just add on and just make this my forever home.

That's going to be my home. Yeah. And when that don't happen like that, man, That hurt. That hurt a lot, but, I mean, it is what it is. When you found out Tom Brady, because all of a sudden it started to be speculation, Tom Brady might be signing with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

You're like, hold on. Tom Brady that was in New England, Tom Brady? You told me the guy that's won six Super Bowls and been to all these Super Bowls and got all these accolades, he might be coming to Tampa? Hold on, man, stop playing. Y'all, for real, Tom Brady might be coming to Tampa. Because if you look at it,

you guys had an outstanding season. season. James turned the ball. Jamon had threw for 5,000 yards, but it's hard for a defense to overcome 30 plus turnovers from one player. And I'm, I'm sure you thought in the back of your mind, man. Man, Tom Brady, he don't turn the ball over with this defense. Boy, it's going to be, it's going to be tough for somebody to beat us. Yeah, I mean, we knew, um, getting him that we could be really good, you know, just him just being in complete control of the offense. You know, the Turnovers did help, you know, James did a lot of great things, salute to him. You know, but we was the number one run defense of team in the NFL, my rookie year.

You know, we was kind of hit a miss in the past. You know, we was kind of in the middle of the bunch. So we just knew we were just missing a complete offense to be able to go do it. And then obviously, you know, him coming there brings a lot of expectation that people was willing to rise to the occasion. You know, that's another thing. When you get a person like him in the building, your play level just go up times, 20. Got you.

Because you want to meet his standard. You know, he got a certain standard about himself, you know, being on the team, being in the building. And, you know, you just kind of want to be all in. Then, obviously, we had got some key guys, you know, we got this tight end. You know, we had got a great receiver out of Florida, you know, that he ended up helping. You know, we had a couple of D-Lymin come in to really kind of put our defense, solidify our defense. And we was rocking out. You know, we had a lot of young guys on defense, too.

But, you know, that's part of it, you know, people just getting thrown in the fire and just accepting the role and going to go get it. What were your practices like? Were they challenging? Because were you talking smack to him and he talking smack to y'all? You guys, because it seemed like, you know, you got Tom Brady, you have those, you got Godwin, you got Mike Evans, A, B, you got Grump. You know, hey, you don't want to get bliss. Hey, y'all ain't fit to do that.

What y'all been doing to them? Y'all ain't fit to do that to us. And they're like, well, what y'all did to that team, y'all not going to do that to us. And so y'all just going back and forth. And so you're raising each other's level. I think the best part of body was it was two things I say. The secondary wanted to get a pickoff, Brady. We knew you could pick him in the game,

so you wanted to try to get it in in practice. And then I think for just the overall defense, we had to be able to disguise, like, harder than ever because he has seen so many looks in his life. So that what made our defense even better. We was able to disguise and play different coverages from different, you know, different looks. And I think that helped us, like, you know,

on the back end of the season because we just had got so much better. We was grooming ourselves to perfection with our disguises because you've got to trick him some way because he doesn't see him. And I think that helps. Like even I remember in the playoff in the, to go to the championship, we was playing Aaron Rogers.

We was playing trap coverage where the lineback is running out on cover and holding the number two receivers. I'm running with the one tape on our routes and stuff. And we're sending, you know, boundary pressures. And, you know, you can't pick it up because you don't know who dropping. You don't know who's going. And that's one thing I credit to Ty Bowles is he never stayed the same weekend and week out.

add into that playbook and to that playbook you're in you go to philly billy don't work out i'm like man you know he'd be good in philly i mean why why why i could have been bawled okay well tell us why now i don't know though truthly you know i feel like i uh i feel like i went there with a fresh mind you know i was around a bunch of guys that i you know that was in my high school class that i already knew and i went there you know just going you know just go get it back on track you know coming off that foot injured my fifth year went to all the o t a's that was new for me, you know, being in Tampa with an older team, we didn't really do many OTAs. You know, my second year was COVID.

Third year, fourth year, we had, you know, Tom Brady. He didn't, he won't, you know, he did his own thing. So we did our own thing on defense. So I was pretty much locked in, you know, I started every game, I mean, started every practice of count OTAs. I was there. And, you know, after the second game, I'm in the second preseason game, you know, they called me up. You know, coach Vick, you know, he said, we're going to go into COVID. And, hey, I do it.

I got to do, you know, I said, I asked him what did not do to, you know, keep this job that I then had all spring. He said, it's just the decision we're going with. And I respected, you know, hats off to Zach and the COVID still my guys. I was still in there for four weeks, you know, just giving them all the, you know, the gym that I had, you know, they was playing New Orleans. I was familiar with them. And I was just being a pro about the situation. That's why you never heard nothing bad come out of that situation. It just wasn't the fit. You know, I wasn't who they wanted. And respectfully, you know, we moved on. It is what it is.

You know, I don't dwell on it. You know, I still got incentives off that Super Bowl run. So God is good. God is good. You know, I was on the team for a week, you know. Right. Yeah. It's been a rough start for you for the team in Vegas.

You got Jamal Adams who moved from safety. He was a safety. Now he's a linebacker. Defensive, you got Max Crosby. Everybody knows with Max Brains to the table. So tell me, what's the transition been like for you from, Tampa to Philly, now you're here in Raiders. You know the Raiders.

You know, Al, I don't know they got a lot of slogans. His famous thing is the quarterback must go down, and he must go down hard. Yeah. I think the biggest transition is just, you know, it's just a different style of play than what I'm used to. You know, I've always been an assimilated pressure type of guy from Dave around in college to Ty Bowes in the NFL

and just coming to this new scheme and just kind of, you know, being a little more zoning, you know, So it's been different from me. And, you know, I started off playing Mike, you know, Mike and Will. I was rotating the first couple weeks because we were trying to get different guys on the field. You know, we had Jermaine Pratt, E. Rob, Jamal, and myself. So I was the guy that was going from Mike. Mike and Sub, and I was playing Will and bass.

And then I was a down linebacker. So stuff ended up then working out with my guy Pratt. You know, he went on to the coach with his old defensive coordinator from Censi. And now I'm back at Will. and that's why I roam and my first game at Straight Wheel this past week I was able to go get it

you know so that's a good thing you know stuff happened how it happened but you know you just always find it good in it but at the end of the day man I think we can hit a stride you know we're starting to find out our identity

you know who we are because you got Coach Pete and you got Coach PG they're clashing together two good defense of minding guys you know trying to find the identity and I think that's what's going on So I'm excited.

The thing that I was always impressed with you, Deb, is that your ability to close, the suddenness. I mean, when you, like, when they bring you on pressure, you, I mean, you get, you arrive in a hurry, and you're arriving with bad intentions. I mean, when you, when you get to that point, bad things normally happen for the opposing player. So what is your mindset when it's, like you said,

they sent you on a blessing, you're like, I'm a pressure, I'm a pressure, Mike, I'm a pressure, Will, I'm a pressure Mike Backer. Yeah. because Todd blitz you a lot because he knows he's going to get you on the line on a running back. And you're going to run his ass over. I'm going to win. I'm going to win.

No, I think that's the thing. You know, just growing up, when I'm from a small town, I never played for a coach who played the game until I got to the Buccaneers with all my coaches there. They all played the game. That was the first time. So I was able to just add more tools to my bag. And I think that was one of the things. They was like, bro, you got speed.

You just got a billy, a knack for the ball. You know how to go get it. And, man, I took pride on it. I was like, well, look, I'm going to focus on this because turnovers win games. You know, so obviously with him blixing me, it's like, hey, go get the ball. Don't just go get a sack. Go get the ball. And then obviously, when I'm in coverage, you know, that's the main thing too.

But, you know, just far as just being a guy who can go get sacks, you know, I think I've done that well since my, you know, since I entered to the league, into the NFL. I think I got the most off-balled sacks as a linebacker with like 24-25. And that's missing a year of ball last year. So, man, look, hey, I just, hey, I can go get it. I take pride in it. You know, when I went to go sack, Ken Ward, I was thinking ball the whole time. Like, you know, you get a sack, but a sack pummel better way back. Exactly.

It's just not good enough to get the quarterback down. Let me see if I can get this ball while I'm at it. Hey, what has it been like? The difference, obviously living in Tampa, you know, for a, as opposed to being in Vegas. You like Vegas better? No, I ain't going to say I like Vegas, the dryness, but I think Tampa, you know, I'm a country boy,

so, you know, just being in Tampa, it was a city field, but it wasn't too big. You know, the life wasn't too big. It was still felt homie to me. And obviously, being there five, six years, I can drive around Tampa with no GPS, you know, just being there so long. You good, yeah. So I think that still having settled in, you know,

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Listen to the bright side on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The biggest thing from both cities, no state income tax, that's a blessing right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, see? Your living expenses is saved in the taxes that you would have paid had you been somewhere else. I'm trying to tell you.

Not to get your after horse, because we know you love horses. I love horses, but you can't bring them out here, brother does the weather out here it's dry it's too hot it's too hot it's too hot for yeah uh you got if i'm not mistaken i think you got american saddle horses american standard bread stand the bread okay stand the bread so you got working horses yeah obviously you can race them on the track you can do a lot of pleasure riding with them i do both in i tapped into this ummish world i'm with the ummish community they do a lot of buggy horses with these stand-up bread so they're not just one-dimensional yeah you got to know people whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

on buggy what the hell you hey well it's good at that's what I'm trying to be you know that the hummish people they don't go by Richard Miller's and phones and all that they spend their green on horses so I'm trying to be a part of that culture too okay but they eat

their horses eat you out of house at home yeah they sell me hey yeah check my sweet feed ha you know that's uh now but the umish community you know they take pride on horses horses or their cars. So, you know, instead of them going to buy their wife a new porch, they go buy them a new nice horse to drive to church

and to the stores and, you know, whatever function they have and to their family houses. So I don't got here real big with a bunch of Amish communities and I'm making my mark over there. So that's pretty good. Where's the Armist community? They got an Amish community in Louisiana or town? No, no, no.

I'm in Illinois. Pennsylvania. Illinois, Pennsylvania, Ohio. Yeah, it stays like that. They up there. Yeah. oh man i ain't i ain't know you ride horses what oh yeah i'm like that i'm like that i rode a horse across uh raymond james after we won a super bowl real okay yeah for sure i be i'll be ride i be riding

too now no no no you're going to mexico and ride when you just you're catalack it i'm doing no no no i ride for real okay we're gonna tap in yeah right for real let me know we're going we're going 30 mile per hour not even moving in the seat that's the type of ride we're doing that ain't but like well you might want to google me man I ride. Hey, I ride horses. I ride PBR Bulls. I ride for real. Yeah. He'd do a little stuff. He'd do a little stuff, Del. But you got to tell the backdrop of the story of the horses and how you got in the store, horses, because you were dealing with something. You went through something in your life, and horses helped you deal with that. Yeah, for sure. Just being in a small town where I come from, you know, growing up, man, it ain't really much to do around now. A lot of people, that's what a lot of people do, you know, but growing up.

up, I ended up losing my brother at a young age. I want to say I was like eight or nine years old, and that's just what I used to cope with it. You know, you could be at the born, you know, you take a lot off your mind going to ride and stuff, man. So I think that horses has always been a good coping factor for me. And now, you know, just as I got older, you know, I enjoy it, you know, my son enjoy and, man, we can kind of make a hobby out there.

You know, we go to events around the world, you know, Tennessee, Louisiana, Texas, Mississippi, I guess on the south, the south end of the world. And we go to the people. And we have fun, man. We do it for pleasure. But at the end of the day, man, we're out there enjoying ourselves. So horses have been a big part of my life and probably going to continue to do it. And more guys in the league starting to get to him.

I got Ed Oliver do it. Xavier Leggett, he owned it. Zemir White that played with the Raiders, he own it. And, you know, Xavier Howard, he just retired to be with his kids. But also, he doesn't got into these horses, too. He down there in Miami, but he from Houston. But he got all his horses in Miami, and I sold him some horses. So that just let you know, like, hey, it's getting real around.

Hey, hey, what, hey, what's the number of them horses? What we're talking about? There's the pen, man. We get you some 30 miles by 10, you know, about 20 grand, you know, a little something slight. Oh, okay, okay, that's it. Yeah, but tell them the other part about how much the mopholes eat. Yeah, no, they heat a lot, though, then. In Miami, you know, y'all ain't got the best resources for hay and feed.

Y'all got to get a shipped in, you know, like we're doing. the South, we grow it, you know what I'm saying? So it'll be a little more expensive, but it's worth it, though, you know, when you got something that brain, you piece, money don't matter. Yeah, you're right by that. My daughter, man, I don't know where it came from.

Obviously, you were in the city. The fact that she loves horses so much. Hey, but we gotta show you about these standard breads, though, bro. It's way smoother. You know, you can ride at a higher speed, you know, you can bring it down and slow. I'm gonna see you some videos.

You're gonna be very, You're going to be very pleased with the work. You know, a lot of people don't know about standard breads because they do a lot. You can do jumping with them, but you also can teach them what we do is single foot. You know, speed ragging, single foot. I'm going to teach you about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, I'm going to put your own, you know, I'm like a new client.

See what I'm saying? You got to, so how many horses do you own now? About 60 some. 60? But I'm in the business, though. I'm in the business. Okay, okay. Oh, so you breed, sell, and all that other stuff.

Oh, yeah. I'm just collected them. doing it for real. I got a whole get-line stable LLC. We're doing it for real. So do you have any pulling horses, Shires, anything like that? Nah, we just got straight on, like I said, the buggy horses with the Army's World. I got the

pleasure horses that I do. And then obviously we got the race horses on the track that's pulling the buggy, but they're racing. They racing on the truck. Oh, you got them all like Yoki got. Jokies, he got the same horse. Stenderbread. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Matt, you know what? That gives me a good idea.

you got horses christmas coming up my daughter loves horses so you know what i'm going to do we're going to put it in the game we're going to talk on the backline we call it the backline you know we're going to put all the business on front street we're going to i'll let you i'll let you'll let you boy yes uh yes are you going to get the fair brands maybe get to the derby or something man max won't won't i told max let me get this next contract we can we can do so we can do so what hey i mean to get some good bloodline they're going to you know hey you got to come You got to come out of a milly or two. Oh, yeah.

Hey, man, he's making 35 a year. That's my got it. He got it. I'm going to just make it. I'm going to oversee everything. You know, I'm a business partner. Make sure he don't get screwed no well. We'll be at the Derby in about two or three years.

Check us out. Have you ever been to the Derby? Nah, I never been. I just told him, man, if I go, I want to host it. One year they let Von Miller host it and he do chickens. He don't do horses, so I felt disrespectful because I'm a ride a horse guy. That should have been your call. Yeah, that should have been me.

So whenever they let me host it. that I'll be there because I can talk about them. You know, I can give you a live update on what they're doing. I actually did it when I first came out at the New Orleans track. And I think I did a good job, man. I put the suit on and everything. So I'm ready to take that next step. So if y'all see this, invite me to the Derby, you know, and I got you.

It's going to be a great experience because I actually know horses and I'm an athlete myself. So let's talk about your college, LSU. You think you guys got a chance to make this? college football playoff. Can y'all win the SEC? Yeah, I think we do, man. We got a real good defense, man. We get our quarterback healthy. You know, obviously he was one of the best quarterbacks going into this

thing, but kind of balanced some injuries. But I think he's going to shake back and, you know, he's going to get us back on track. But as long as our defense keep getting turnovers and holding people out, I think we're going to be pretty good, man. With Debbie, man, congratulations on your journey, man. Look, if things don't always look, God don't make no mistakes. At all.

You went through what you went through. stronger for it. I'm happy for you. Continue success. Stay healthy. And you know when you stay healthy and keep doing what you're doing, you know what's on the other side. Man, I'm trying to get one of them gold things, man. That's all that's important to me, man. Hey, that's all that's important to me. That would play this game for, man. All the other stuff going to come. We've already been blessed tremendously. You know what I'm saying? Just going to keep having fun and making sure we're doing things the right way, man. So I appreciate y'all for having me, man.

Yeah. You don't have any other other animals. You don't have anything else, chicken, pigs. No, man. No, I just do horses. Man, I got dogs, but, man, they just. What kind of dogs you got? I got Blue Hillers.

I got Blue Hillers. Oh, okay. It's an Australian cattle dog. I know what he is. And I just got them for company, bro. I don't even work them. I just got them just to have company on the form. Because I got like 80 acres back in Louisiana.

And this off season, I plan on buying like 100, another 100 that's not too far. And, man, that's what I do. I like being where it's peaceful at. And I still got my land in Florida, too. I go out there and train, and I got a born out there in Odessa on the back side of Tampa. And I go out there, train, taking horses, and enjoy myself out there in the summertime as well. So even though, you know, they got rid of me in Tampa, I still got my forever time. You still got roots there.

I still got my roots there. All right, man. Congratulations on all your success. Stay healthy, man. And come back and talk to us again, Deb. I appreciate you, man. I appreciate you. Devon White

linebacker for the Las Vegas Raiders I misspoke earlier what's the dude name Nick Bosa was defensive rookie of the year the year they came out but he was off to an unbelievable start Ocho he was he still

and he's starting to look back and as I'm watching the Raiders he's starting to look again like the Devin White that you remember when he was when he first got to Tampa, sudden, impactful, you know, dropping into coverage and blitzing the linebacker. He's getting back to that Devin White, and I'm glad to see, I'm glad to see him find a home. I think Grantham is the DC and Pete Carroll, both defensive guys, understand how to use linebackers and coverage and the disguise thing.

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Did you meet with Troy last week leading up to the game? I did not. I did not. I didn't get to meet with him. Tried to meet with him. And then, you know, you know, reached out and tried to meet. And, you know, that didn't happen. And so, you know, moved on from it, when played the game.

came out three and two. Why did you not meet me? I was here late and times didn't meet up, lifting, or whatever case may have been, and then tried to call him after the game or not after the game after the day, that day that I was supposed to meet with him and it didn't get through.

Oh, Chauda, Intermec picked up on this, especially, I don't listen to the sound, so maybe you heard that he, that Troy was very tough. on Caleb Williams. Yeah. Is this something or is this nothing? No, I think it's nothing.

I think, I think, I think it's nothing of just the fact that he wasn't available and didn't make it to the time when they were scheduled to meet because of prior obligations. I'm assuming that Caleb Williams might have had with the team, I'm sure, like he did, just say he was lifting. So whatever he was doing, he had prior, prior obligations. But I'm assuming they had a time they were supposed to meet and it just didn't happen. And due to that, I'm sure.

Troy was a little bit more, a little bit more heavy on him game time because of his absence. Yeah, look, I don't think it's going to be no issue before, but it's very, it's very rare that the quarterback does not do production meeting. It's rare, almost unheard of because that is the one guy, because guess what, they might, look, they might talk to Miles Gary and they're going to talk to this and they're going to talk to that. but you got to talk to the quarterback. Everybody always talk to the quarterback. No matter how good, bad, or indifferent he is, they grab the quarterback. And the quarterback normally make themselves available.

Now, is it something moving forward? No. But was it something? Is there a situation that bad, like, you know what? You want to be, and this is what you have to guard against, Ocho. This is why I said I don't want to call games. Because if you're not careful, guess what?

They won't send the players to do production meeting with you. Right. you see doing do what i do i'm not really you know hey i don't really need you to do my job right it's kind of hard if you hard on guys and guys don't show up you just imagine okay you go to kansas city and you can't get patrick mahomes you can't get a chris jones you can't get Travis kelsey right okay you go to the cowboy that you can't get cd you can't get back okay now what yeah that's that's tough that's tough it makes it makes you do i think it's going to be something do i think to look they kind of send a message okay bro

you're you're a little harsh now um but look i like caleb i think ben johnson's going to do great for him um he's got even from the first time the first game to now you can see him getting better and better absolutely if you watch if you're watching and you understand you know the game. If you can't see that Caleb Williams are getting better and better, I don't, I don't know what, I don't know what to tell you. Listen, I told you. I told you. And the fact that they played in a monsoon in, in conditions that you don't really want to play in, and you still look the way you look, still happen to come back and win the game. Yep. Keep stacking them. Keep stacking them. Like I said, I didn't, I don't, I don't listen to the sound, so I don't know what Troy said.

I don't know, because I don't need to listen to the sound because I don't want what someone else said to creep into my thoughts and then I regurgitate what somebody said. And all you do it is listen, no, you hear me say something? That's my thoughts. Now, I'm not saying that only, that everything that I say is unique and nobody else might not have said or referenced what I'm saying. that's not what I'm saying but I'm saying I don't really I don't want someone else's thoughts to creep into my head or Joe I want to have my own

individual thoughts and I think the best way for me to do that is not listen to the sound yeah yeah you're right you're right um but look I think Caleb Williams is playing very well I think Troy look Troy is very candid now he one of those guys he played the position he played at a high level

he won Super Bowls he's a Super Bowl MVP he's got a gold jacket so he I mean Troy is one of those guys I mean, you know, he'll glaze a little bit but for the most part, he's going to give you his honest on his take. You're going to tell it like it is. Yes.

You're going to tell it like it is. Oh, Cho. Pat Bev goes off and blames the Lakers for Russell Westbrook being jobless. Now, he does have a job now. He had just signed, I think, today with the Sacramento Kings. Here's Pat Bev talking about how crazy it is Russ not having a job. It's that what happened to Rush, bro.

On God. It's what happened to Russ. And Russ got a bad take because of that Lakers team. That's the truth, bro. That's the truth. You talk to T. Lou, T. Lou, did interview with my motherfucking. I love Russ. Every since Russ left the Lakers, bro, he's been on the minimum, bro.

We've never seen this ever. We've never seen a player who's been the MVP, who's impacted the game. They call them names and tell him that he can't shoot. Go to the playoff, shoot 40% with the clippers the very next year, right? a less demeanor role with the lakers take a less the meaning of role with the clippers he's been a six man every since he's left the lakers he's a starting point guard in the NBA he's arguably one of the top three point guards to ever play the game you tell me this man can't get on the team all because he's because he's passionate all because he he stretches with the team every

single practice all because if it's a team out and he's there all of time all because if you talk to anyone around the league russ is the best teammate i ever have i'll talk to paul George P. You go, hey, Pat, you go love Russ. Austin Reeves, Russell, Russ, one of the best teammates I ever had. What the fuck are we talking about? Why isn't this man on the team? Hey, well, that's tough, yeah, especially when to come to basketball stuff, especially situations like that, regardless of your accolades, regardless of your resume, regardless

of what you have done, you have to, how Pat Bev feels about Russ and how his other teammates feel about him, you need the owners. You need the ones who write the checks to feel that way. Do the guys running the team? That's who you need to feel that way. And most of the time, they never do. They never do. When they feel they can get some type of production from someone else,

give someone else a chance, I mean, that's the nature of the business. It happens in football. It happens in baseball. It happens in basketball. It happens in all sports to some of the better players, regardless of resume, regardless of what they're accomplished in the past.

There comes the time where they will pass you up. Regardless of what you've done. Because that's why it's called business. I'm trying to figure out. He says it's the Lakers. Okay. Cleveland, Baker Mayfield. He's with Cleveland.

And I'm sure Cleveland says some bad things about Baker Mayfield. What's Baker Mayfield doing now? A, cutting up. Okay. The Lakers. He said, oh, he said the Lakers. this man has been a six man. And T. Lou, my guy.

T. Lou say, I love Russ. Why didn't they sign him back? He declined the option with the Nuggets. So are we not going to, he mentioned Russ shot 40% from the three. So are we going to take an outlier season? Or are we going to take about what he's done his career in the playoffs from the three point line? So I'm just figuring out how the Lakers keep taking the blame. okay he went to Utah

bought him out he goes to the Clippers Clippers could have resigned him after that year they didn't he goes to the Nuggets they have an option he has an option for three and a half four million dollars whatever the case was right he declined the option

they move on how is that the Lakers fault I was I was when the Lakers when I heard when I first started hearing rumors I said this is a bad deal I see LeBron and Russ won't work together. Right.

They both need the ball and it just won't work. Neither one of the guy are catching shoot. LeBron needs shooters. Russ needs shooters. So it's not going to work. But I'm just trying to figure out how is everybody's fault. Russ is not, he's turnover prone. He's not a great shooter.

He's not a great defender. Yeah, he's an energy guy. He's going to play hard all the time. Right. but at this stage of his career he's not what he once was I mean it happens

but how is that I'm just trying to figure out how is it the Lakers fault do you not think you think people like oh the Lakers said Russ can't play oh so we better not get him I'm sure they said

so what about Baker He went for Cleveland, he went to Carolina, he went to the Rams. That's three teams. Tampa say, okay, come on over here. We got you. At this point in time, unless you still, like that, there are only a handful of guys that have played as long as Russ. I mean, okay, you're looking at KD.

Are we saying Russ and KD is the same? We look in Steph. Are we saying Steffing? Russ the same LeBron are we saying LeBron and Russ are the same we're talking about guys that played I think this is 17

I think this is 17 for Steph I think this is 19 for KD obviously is 23 come on man come on y'all Russ is great in the community

I love what he does with his foundation I love how hard he plays but come on man stop this But y'all know Russ is not the same player that he was. Well, that's basically what I said too long. In regards to what you've done, regardless of how good you were, at some point, everything declines. And when it does decline, they don't know what you did in the past.

They don't care about what you did in the past. What can you offer me right now? What can you do for me right now? And you said he's not a great shooter. He's not a great shooter. He needs to handle the ball. So therefore, when you have issues like that, having a role on certain teams

it decreases because there's no value based on what you bring to that team as great as he was let me ask you a question when you watch the NBA what they do shoot threes hey just like the NFL NFL now is a passing league

NBA everybody behind the art everybody even the big man if he wanted to get picked up he could have picked up his option right but maybe he didn't he could have picked up the option and stayed with the nuggets well that's not what he wanted yeah maybe maybe he felt he got more in the open market huh okay that's what happened so how's that the lakers fault that what he got on the open market how long it's been since he was last with the lakers three years

and the Lakers are still being held accountable for Russ. It didn't work for whatever reason. It didn't work. That is not the first trade that a team is made that didn't work. I can assure you it will not be the last trade that teams make that don't work. Right, right. But we can't keep holding the teams responsible because like I said, I love T. Lou. But T. Lou say, I love Russ.

they didn't resign it why when he opted out the duggins could have came back and says okay that 3.4 is not enough we got five right they didn't resign him why so i guess they take it they take it the lake so if that's the case why did the clipper sign it if that's the case why did the nudge nudge sign it right That's a bull drive, man. I love, I love, I love Rush, too, but he got. You know, hey, Russ, Rush. But it's a different type of game now, Ocho. Yeah, you're right, you're right. You know, Rush remind me, Russell Westbrook ain't no, ain't no,

in just the football version of Steve Smith. Basketball version of Steve Smith, senior. I don't know. I always enjoyed that comparison. When did Russ last play for the Lakers? With the 23, because he left the Lakers and went. But they traded him to, didn't they trade him? Didn't they trade it?

Lakers traded him, right? To the Utah. Who bought him out? Then went to the Clippers. Yeah. I guess Utah don't want good players. I guess the Clippers don't want good players. I guess the Nuggets don't want good players.

Russ is a first, Russ is a top 75 player of all times. He's a Hall of Famer. Russ is a first ballot hall of famer. Easy. Two things can be true though. He's not the same player. He's turnover prone.

He doesn't play great defense. He's not a shooter. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He don't play great defense. No, he doesn't. Think about it. Okay, see? Then he went to the Rockets.

The Wizards, the Lakers, Utah, the Clippers, the Nuggets, not the Kings. Hmm. Dang. It happens. It doesn't take away from what he's done. He's a, uh, what, nine, 10 time all star. He's an all NBA player, what, three, four seasons of triple doubles. He did that.

Uh, all star gave MVP. he's done that yeah twice but oh cho i don't base i base okay i sign a player today what can he do moving forward i can't do anything about that right you're not signing for the past i'm not signing for the past i'm signing for the future right and it's okay if you play long enough it'll happen to some of the best is happening to some of the best i i just don't get how we just go keep no i don't look i i like i said that for me i didn't think i didn't think it was going to work with lebron and russ who's one of the few times that i i've been very vocal like nah it ain't going to work but y'all keep saying you know oh uh uh shadow don't like russ don't it seemed like the clippers

him either or you taught you taught bought him out so y'all keep talking about with shannon what about the teams that says you know what we're good did that got any that has anything any role did that play does that play any role take i can assure you these teams are not listening to what shannon sharp saying on his podcast every player every basketball player that i've talked to hold russ in very very very high regard yeah he's a consummate pro he plays extremely hard he's very very philanthropic gives back to his community he's very engaged in the community and that's great but these teams like okay how much can he help us win or compete for title that's what it comes down to it ain't got

nothing to do with no lakers it ain't got nothing to do about what he does what he's done in the past teams are signing guys now what i believe he can help us do in the future and i believe if teams thought russ could really help them somebody would assign him to a deal sooner clearly the king's like well we need a backup we need a point card back up point card and we'll see they got shrewder uh they got a couple of guys that was on the laker they got shrewder they got malik now russ we'll see how well they can blend up I don't even know who the coach is for the Kings now.

Oh, Doug Christie, yeah, he was in him and ended up taking off, he took off from Mike Brown and ended up getting a job. So 18, 18, let me, oh, Joe, if somebody would have told Russ, hey, Rush, you're going to be able to play coming out. we let you play 17 years you think we'll say nah i got to play 20 no somebody tell you ohcho we're going to let you play 10 years that's we're going to let you we're going to give you 10 years in the NFL

what you're going to say nah i need 12 13 huh you get the first year then you say man boy if i can get me five and then once you get the five you say boy if i can just get the 10 yeah and then once you get the 10 you take a year at a time yeah that's it you take a year at a time Mm-hmm Russ got 18 years You're going to get 18 years in the NBA

That's a beautiful A lot of guys got 18 years in the league No No Hey Some people You get to say when you want to go And some

They have forced you out Yes You're very fortunate If you're ever in a position You'll be able to lead a game When you want to Well The thing is

Ocho is the goal before they're ready to get rid of your ass. Right. Yeah. That's the key. It's all about being self-aware. That's the key. It's all about being self-aware. Because eventually it don't matter. Eventually they're going to want you to go. Yeah. Yeah. The question

is, do they hold a door open for you or you walk out on your own? Damn. and I'm going to say I have to disagree to I mean watching Russ he could play defense I had to come back to that one okay according to Sean LeBron is planning to take a patient approach with his injury and expected to return around mid-November the leg is open the season October the 21st L.A has 15 games between October 21st and November 18th before going on a four-day break and then visiting the Utah

Jazz November to 23rd. What you think, Ocho? LeBron is in year, what, 21? Three. God damn. Be 41, December 30th. Yeah, LeBron is in year 23, 47 years old, wait, 30, 38.

How old is he? It'll be 41. God damn. Listen, take all the time you need. take all the time you need Luca is going to carry the torch for right now until you're more than enough

offensively yeah and you'll be fine you'll be fine we don't need we don't need we know what you can do we know what you can do you heal up come back and make sure you're 100% we're going to be all right we're going to hold a fort down until you ready or Joe as you get older

you just don't recover like you once could or not as fast An injury that would keep you down a week Keep your ass down two weeks to a month An injury that would keep your ass down a month Will keep you down two, three months Hey, what's hurt? What's hurt on him, you know?

I think he did something in his glute His glute? Oh, man, I got, man. Hey, LeBron. It's something. Ciatica? Yeah. What is it?

Man, get an epidural. It's his glute? You say it's sciatica, but it's uh uh uh it's pulsating in his glue oh man i know how dog hey lebron hit your boy man i got something for that man yeah i got something for that huh an epidural now he don't need no epidural get you some witch hazel huh

you hear me man what you're trying to do take off makeup no no no i try to take off no makeup get you some witch haze that's the only thing rich witch hazel gonna do man listen you listen i got the cure i got the cure for that get you some witch hazel and say man I'm telling you. I had something like that too. Get you some witch haze and some mayonnaise. Sh, man, please.

Boy, I had you back in no time, LeBron. Tell you. It's got to be pretty severe because they started, when they start camp, like two weeks ago. So he's going to miss two months, basically two months. God damn. Mm-hmm. That means, it's serious, because LeBron's not one.

Because LeBron's not one to miss no time. Nope. And he's not injury prone. You definitely try to miss no time now, Ocho, because you got less of it. Right, right. That's the thing. See, when you're young, oh, I do that tomorrow. If you notice that people start to get older, Ocho, they do less and less procrastinating.

Oh, yeah. Because you realize you got less and less time. Yeah, you're right. See, when you're young, you're like, man, I could do that tomorrow. I got this, I got that. you start to get over you start to come to the realization i ain't promised tomorrow nah ain't no a you show away i don't see nowhere when he say hey i got you to don't worry about it you can do that tomorrow nah let me go and do that today uh damn two months well that's sidelica you're

nothing to play with i had it yeah ain't no boy hey um you you got to excuse me you got to excuse me you got excuse me and my ignorance, the fact that my black ass ain't never been hurt. You got to tell me what the hell is the sciatica? It's a nerve that runs down to, I mean, it'll cause pain, it'll cause your leg to go numb. Right. You'll walk a busy sleep on your show, you try to get out of the bed and your foot numb, your leg numb, your foot, you can't even walk like you got clipped, like you got a club foot. It'll cause that, man, it, oh, boy, it, boy, have you sit like this here in the

chair man what's wrong with you nothing what they oh Joe have you walking sideways yeah anybody that's ever had a sciatica you know exactly what I'm talking about yeah I'm talking about yeah I'm talking about I went I went to go I went to go watch my son today you know he played jv for Miami New Orleans and you know I am I just I've just been through life. It must have been God's will. Went played in the NFL. I've never been hurt.

I go watch him to play today. One of the few Wednesdays I've been off and didn't have to travel anywhere. He get hurt. He them broke his clavicle. We go to the hospital, so he get hurt. He comes to the sideline. I'm watching the game on the sideline.

I say, man, nothing but a little grade, grade one AC sprain. And go ahead and get back in the game. Man, I can't move my arm. I can't move my shoulder. So you know kids, freshmen in high school, you think they're playing around. You think you really haven't felt pain like that before. So I'm like, come on, man.

Come on now. Stop being soft. Man, we go, we lead the game. We go get an x-ray. Man, and broke his clavicle. I'm like, come on. Hey, hold on. After that, I got to go to school tomorrow still.

Ain't nothing wrong with your leg. There's nothing wrong with your mind. Hell, yeah, you got to go to school. Hey. Just hoping, is it left or right? It'll appear that if he left or right hand, it's going to be tough for him to right. Nope, it's his left shoulder.

So he's right hand. He'd be good. You're straight. And listen, Mama say, you're going straight to school. I know he might be up. Save him. Get up. Go to sleep.

Yes, you're going to school. All right, guys. We're going to get you here on this one. It's time for our final segment of the evening. And it's time for Q and A. Samuel LeGran said Pat Bell might as well blame Skip. While he added, he called the name Russell Westbrick.

He did indeed. Saucers say with Braun not returning until November or December, do you think he could possibly request the trade or finish his career and a purple and gold. LeBron is one of the two players, one of the few players that have a no trade contract. Well, he can pull that off.

He can pull that off. Not everybody has that type of, what's up? No, I think there's only two people that have no trade. That kind of power. Oh, it's him and Bradley Bia wave to his. Wait, how did he get in a position to be able to, never mind.

Let me, let me stay out of basketball business. People talk about, we, the Lakers never know you know you didn't want him the Lakers did y'all remember what the Lakers was like when Kobe was injured in Kobe's last couple of years y'all know what it was like I love how the Lakers pretend like oh they were winning what you were going to do no you wasn't you couldn't get anybody you couldn't you couldn't you all need to stop this Laker fans y'all know what it was like when Kobe was hurt and y'all was pretending you couldn't get a free agent

remember Lamarcus Alder turned you down you remember Dwight Howard didn't resign with you so I'm just trying to figure out who you was getting you couldn't even get top free agents to come

even when you had Kobe so again I ask in the most humble way I know how who were you getting A-A-on Oh, LeBron only one in one championship. How many championships did you win from 2010 from when Kobe won that last championship

until LeBron won that? How many years was in between that? Kobe won the last title in 2010. Kobe retired in 2016, right? So how many playoff wins did you guys have? from 2010 to 2016. How many times did you even go to the playoffs? Interesting. Very interesting.

No, look, I don't know. Do I think LeBron is going to request a trade? I don't. But if he's injured this year, this will be his last year. Damn. I mean, everybody wants to go, Ocho, everybody wants to go out there. Everybody wants to go out their way.

I want to go out, Ocho, it would be great. If I could go out and win a championship like John Elwell, like the bus. The bus stopped in Detroit. He's from Detroit or win like Strayhand and walk off until the sunset. Everybody don't get that. Everybody don't get that.

You're right. You're right. And if somebody would have told LeBron, A at 18, bro. 23? No player has ever played 23, let alone play that. First of all, no player, I mean, Vince,

Vince played 22. But Vince was averaging what, five points a game? LeBron average 24 and a half. Seven and a half, eight. That's crazy. That's how I know he's not retiring, despite him being hurt right now, huh? Yeah, so to play it to be a full-time starter.

The man was a full-time starter. Right. that's crazy BPP you guys are great you guys are great players are great players great regardless where they are

or does landing matter it definitely helps I mean you need teammates you need great you need coaching but had Michael Jordan not got Phil Jackson would Michael Jordan still not be great

we might not look at him saying he might not have the amount of championships he might not have any we don't know right but before he got before he got field was he not flying through the air was he not air jordan before field got there we don't we don't know how soon you get there with tom had he not had he had a different coach than coach bellichick we don't know we just know he had coach bellichick he left coach bellichick and he won another one that's that's what we know. Yep.

What happens if he wasn't, what if he didn't get drafted by New England? We don't, we don't know. Yeah. They kept Tom, they kept four quarterbacks because they saw something

or what he's not ready to play right now, but I think we should just hold on to it and let him get, let him get reps, work on things, and he was able to get better. Yeah. And better put him in the Pantheon.

Kempano Wood Jr. said, oh, for tomorrow night's game, I'm rolling with the Steelers. Sorry, Ocho. I love you, though. Me too. Were y'all rolling with who?

Steelers. Oh, I mean, that's fine. Listen, in life, everybody has the choice. It might not be the right one, but it's the one that they won't. And that's something you guys decide to do. May God be with you. Drew said, oh, when you're going to own up and say, I was wrong about Baker, you called that man a bus.

That was then. So people are not allowed to change? I was poor. I got out of that situation. So let me ask you a question. If he stays in Cleveland, is he still this big? Is he the MVP discussion?

Drew, I'm just going to ask, if he stays in Cleveland or if he stays in Carolina, is he still this player? Mm-mm. No. Mm-mm.

He's a, look, the guy went first of all, overall, he got to have some talent. Damn. Yeah. He went first overall. The Cleveland situation, he was tired of Cleveland. They were tired of him. They didn't like his leadership style. He didn't like the way they wanted him to lead. He needed to go somewhere where he could be Baker Mayfield. But he also needed to be surrounded by outstanding offensive talent. Yes. He was devoid of that in Cleveland. So there are a lot of extenuating circumstances. that led us to be this Baker Mayfield.

No, he's not a bus. He went to a Pro Bowl. So that in and of itself like he wasn't a bust, but he was not living up to the number one overall draft pick in Cleveland. Now you understand why Cleveland took him. They just weren't able to surround him with talent, like a Chris Godwin, like a Mecca, Abuka, like a Mike Evans,

like a Cade Arton. He didn't have that. Yeah. Y'all make it seem like, oh, he's the same player. He had the same talent in Cleveland. Really? You think Cleveland would have got rid of Baker Mayfield if he had this exact same talent in Cleveland

and playing the way he is in Tampa. He has some nice pieces over there, but nothing like now. I mean, Odell was, And he wasn't, O'Dell had came off those injuries, Ocho. Remember he tore his knee? Mm-hmm. You remember he, to get him, he had broke his leg in, in New York.

He wasn't the same. You need years to recover from that, Ocho. Now, he had started to round back in the round back and started to look like the O'Dell when he got to the Rams. That back half, when he got to the Rams, those last two or three games in the playoffs, he were cut up until that Super Bowl, he started to look like O'Dell.

you singling he was eating because that was remember that was the same year that Cooper Cup had that triple crown so people were giving their all their attention to a coop now O'Dill got to eat Baker's playing phenomenal and I'm happy for him unfortunately Cleveland doesn't get to reap the benefits yo Dutch what's up Joe here I would like y'all to give my nine-year-old son little Antoine a happy birthday shoutout downtown Buffalo

Pats Nation Antoine Happy night's birthday Happy night birthday What are you got What are you going to What are you going to what's a gift for a nine year old A nine year old

PlayStation Xbox A PlayStation Xbox Matter of fact Billing McGamee Billing the gaming rig Billing a gaming rig What's a gaming rig? A PC, PC, two monitors, TV up top.

Oh, oh, so you can like, like you can game and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, well, help you out, oh, damn. Yeah, start you start them early, start them early. It ain't gonna cost really, it ain't really cost nothing. What's nothing? $500? About $5,900.

Yeah, I sure wish I had me a game, Mastasia. You get one of them on high chairs? I like this, like this. Oh, the chair like that? that yes it's a gaming chair with all up with a with monitors like like two or three monitors yeah right in front of yeah oh so I can have my number on the back of that that too huh yeah you get your nice little chair put the 84 in the back of there get your get your orange chair you know the little Denver Bronco chair the theme

so you said I get that whole set up about 5900 huh yeah absolutely I wish I could turn my camera around and so I can show you hmm that be so interested. Well, if I can get about $50,900, but I show give me a little game room. How about a little gaming room here? But the funny thing, you don't need it because you don't game. I can't because I ain't got nobody to buy no gaming station. I mean, but you won't game with your foe.

So you won't game in. Yeah, Jordan said he's going to be built it for it. But Jordan, like, you know, George is good with computers. Jordan hooked that thing up. Oh, so, yeah, Jordan already know. Jordan already know. So, yeah. So in other words, I can be on there.

So in my gaming station, I can be on there. playing against Kyle or I show Speedhawks get Speedhound. Yeah, but you told me you don't. Ninja booger. Yeah, but you've never played video games before. So, I mean, you wouldn't start. I can't because I ain't got no setup. Well, you would have had a setup before if you was a real gamer.

If I'd have $5,900, I could. I mean, you won't, don't nobody start gaming in their 50s, though. See, I've been doing this since I was nine. I ain't have 5900. when I was nine. That's why you ain't gaming now. So there's no I could. I mean, I want a game now. But see, you wanted to, oh, we need

to do some, there's people in this space. I try to get this space. I need $5,900. They say I need $59 to get in this space. I got you. I got you. I'm telling you it's a space that nobody's touched that we can take advantage of. Well, if I get $5,900, I should

like to be in that space. Aaron Owen said, Ocho, when you drop that monster game versus the charge in 06, What did it feel like to be in the zone? I was so sick, y'all lost that game. Hold on. You had a monster game when y'all lost? Yep.

I had, well, I forgot. 11 for 260, two TDs. That's when L, that's the season of LT had the 31 touchdowns. Damn, how many he had against y'all? Shoot, probably, maybe, I don't know, maybe two or three. And we was winning 21, 21 something. Like, 3, 213, they came back in one. So you had that monster game.

now chase broke your record last year on thursday night football against the uh the ravens so no not only do you not have a record no more y'all didn't even win the game i mean i mean i ain't got nothing to do with that you did have something to do that you was out there yeah i mean i did i did my what's going on with you guys the ocho i mean chase lost that game last year too hey this it's sometimes it happens like that you know all you all you can do is is is is work with the hand that you're dealt. There's nothing you can do about it. Damn, I'm so so sorry, Ocho.

Yeah, we're going to be all right, though. Y'all going to be all right. Yeah, we're going to be all right, man. Y'all better win that game tomorrow. Oh, we're going to win tomorrow. Ricky, what's up, Uchow, congrats on the awards. Keep stacking them. Got a good one for y'all.

Start, Bitch, Cup, Mike Vick, Lamar Jackson, Cam Newton. that's for you um man i ain't getting rid of big i'm just telling you that big start of this ain't nothing like ain't nothing like uh uh uh what year was that the michael bick experience in alana unbelievable you had to be there you had to be there you had to be a part of it. Unbelievable.

I ain't cut nobody. I ain't bitching nobody. So guess what? Because I know Bick ain't coming out the field. Lamar ain't coming out to field. And Cam, damn sure, ain't coming out the field. May y'all know how Cam is.

I'm going to burn through all my time out. So it's come on. You're going to get back here in the next place. I ain't coming out. Uh-uh. Ricky, I'm sorry, man. I got to keep all these guys. You got to give me somebody else, man.

I can't cut none of these guys. We got three MVP's and the guy that revolutionized the running quarterback. What you see with Mike, what you see with Lamar and Cam, Mike started that. Nate B. said, hey, uh, you're going to the Aces parade on Friday. You can blend the crowd. I know you're a probation.

where's going to be where the parade at they're on the strip no I'm going to a game next year I'm going to their first game when they get them rings hey uncle love this show how's brick brother Sterling doing and he's uh he's still playing golf he's doing well he's recovering from eye surgery I think he's going to his third week. So he had it on the 26th. So, yeah, this is about his third week. So I think you got a couple more days of laying down.

Yeah, he's still playing golf. Obviously, he can't play right now. But, uh, but yes, he's still playing golf. Dark Barnes said, Pickers to the Panthers, paired with T-Mack, replacing Legate.

Ocho said he don't want him to go to Carolina I mean we didn't even mention Carolina but listen the best fit, the best place will always be the Raiders no matter what anybody says that's where it's at. Uh-oh, Ocho

Uh-oh. Pickings to the 49ers. Oh shit. That's a good one. Gave Vincent Cook flag in the first quarter five straight threes. Look, the question is

can the Lakers play defense on Joe? Yeah. They got, look. Luke is going to score 30 a game. A.R. going to give you 20. So you're going to have enough to score the points. The question is

the question is, can you stop people? Yeah. Tino Davis, pickings to the Broncos, bills, Texas, or command. What he got? Oh, the bills could definitely use it. Yeah. The bills could definitely use it.

I saw what you call him, Sean McDermott had a conversation with Brady, Joe Brady, about the usage of James Cook. Remember I told you, I was surprised how little they used James Cook the other night? Right. Well, they got Cortland Sutton. I don't think they spent that kind of money on Sut

and then go get picked. I could be wrong, but, hey. Bill's got Nico Collins. I think Tank Dale comes back. Commanders just paid a boatload of money to McLaren. McLaren. I think the bills should be in the running. Sir underscore Cates, my guys, Ocho, November 12th, 2006 versus San Diego,

11th, reception, 26, yard, two touchdowns. Can you explain your mindset that game? If Carson wouldn't have went down in that playoff game, with anybody stopping y'all in 06? Yep. Who? Who? Hold on, 06.

Well, who was, who was someone? The Super Bowl in 06. Man, we were fin to beat them. What you're talking about? Oh, Lord. We opened the first play of the game, 60 y'rs down the sideline. Who caught that ball? Chris Henry, rest in peace.

Yes, you're right. man that changed the whole change the whole game i'm the first play yeah man man boy kemo van o'hoffin yeah well we were going to run up and down that field uh isa colston hey chad can you get me a ticket to the bingoes game tomorrow please wait i i'm not even in town yet i ain't even get there uh mr international go falcons saucy deep what all happens and meetings. Well, they talk to them about your mindset, coming to plays you like. They ask, you know, this team is a such and such. Yeah, we got certain things. We got things that we can get to. You know, we understand that they're a pressure team. They like to do a lot

of zone dog. They like to play a lot of cover one. We're expecting that, but we see some areas that we can, you know, you talk to the head coach. You talk to the quarterback. You normally talk to, you know, two, three offensive players, two or three defensive players. The coaches kind of fill in the blanks after that. That's it. Just to get a sense of the team, you know, when we talked to, you know, if you all were here,

we talked to them yesterday, they felt that this was something they could take advantage of. That's it. T.S. Car Wash and Detail service. Rest up DeAngelo, your favorite song or story. Brown Sugar.

Brown Sugar, classic. Oh, what's the one he did? Oh, what's the name of it? God, I can't remember the name of the same. Uh, no, uh, no, said, we need a thug on club, Shay, Shay. Oh, who? A thug. A thug?

Oh, they say, the young thug. Oh, they say we need young thug? You need to sit down with young thug, yeah. Oh, okay. Young thug, if you watch it, come home about club, Shay, Shay. That'd be a good one. Hey, a thug on hit you with that whoop-de-do. Uh, Glendale Bess said, can I get a birthday shout out?

And rest in peace, my twin sister, lost her battle with breast cancer. Glendale, you absolutely can. Happy birthday. Sorry, it can't be more pleasant under the circumstances. Hopefully your sister is comfortable now. Hopefully God give you strength, comfort, and understanding in your time of sorrow and grief. grief. So sorry to hear about your sister, but no, she's in a better place. She's resting and there's no more pain. No more chemo. It doesn't give you, doesn't lessen the pain, but hopefully over time, you get better with dealing with this situation. So Glendale, happy birthday. As happy as it can be under the circumstances. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. I want to thank you guys for joining us. I'm your favorite on Sean and Sharman.

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