Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Doc Rivers slow start, Jimmy Butler future, Puka Nacua NBA

Episode Date: November 7, 2024

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and J.R. Smith blast Milwaukie Bucks HC Doc Rivers for not holding his team to higher standards. Later, Unc, Ocho and J.R. discuss Paul Pierce pushing Jimmy Butler to get out of Miami, Los Angeles Rams’ WR Puke Nacua saying he could easily transition from the NFL to NBA and much more!03:13 - Doc Rivers on Bucks slow Start07:30 - Giannis trade rumors09:15 - Jimmy Butler dragged into trade rumors12:58 - Puka thinks he can play in the NBA25:38 - Viral date story between 28 year old woman, 45 year old man01:03:18 - Q and Ayyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance. See dkng.com slash promos for deposit, wagering, and eligibility restrictions, terms, and responsible gaming resources. Bucks coach Doc Rivers says the team isn't putting any extra pressure on the team as they try to bounce back from a franchise slowest start in three decades. The worry is outside the building. I guarantee you that. No doc, it's on the inside of the building. There's no, there's none inside the building.

We will make the playoffs. I'm not worried about that. Well, that ain't the standard doc. You got Giannis. One of the great, Giannis is a two time league MVP back to back, a defensive player of the year and a finals MVP. And he's probably been what, JR?

Four, five or six times first team all-fist NBA consecutive. Dave Lillard is a top 75 player. You got two top 75 players and you think the standard is for you just to make the playoffs? Anybody want to tell him that's not what the expectation is for him, JL? You want to bring the news to him, JL?

I think he's touching the leggers. No, for real, because that's not even, bro, you got, first of all, you got Chris Middleton. Like, he hurt, but I'm saying, he's still on the team, but you got a situation to where you got a great core. So what are you talking about just make the playoffs? After winning the chip? It's champion.

No. He gotta be careful. Cause y'all, oh y'all just say y'all think that's all I wanna do is just make the playoffs. Okay, bye. Yeah. And he liked that too. Like his mentality, like with respect to a lot

of these players, and I don't want to throw this name around loosely, but like as far as that mentality, he's got that. That Mamba, he got that, 100%. You can't tell him day in and day out, he's not gonna get better. And he's not all about winning, and him putting people in position

that's gonna help him win. If you're not about that, he's gonna get you up out of it. Straight like that. So any coach, player, whoever, it's gonna be Ego Kachel in Milwaukee, wherever he at, for sure, because he not,

because it's all about winning, and it's all about getting better every single day. And national, you gotta respect. I said, by Yonis, that he got kid fired. And then somebody called me said, no Shannon, he did not get Jason Kidd fired. He wanted Jason Kidd to stay. The organization fired Kidd.

But, but, Budenhozer and Adrian Griffin, yeah, he can really, yeah, he got to sign his name on that. He got to sign his name on that. I feel like he rocked with Jay Kidd from a standpoint because Jay Kidd taught him the position. Cause you think about it, when he first started pushing the ball and like really bringing the ball up, that was Jay Kidd. And he had my really bringing the ball up, that was J. Kid.

And he has my guy, John Welsh, who's with me in Denver, teaching a little bulldog, little throw over, shimmy cross, he get to the lane, Euro step, easy. And it's just like, you have a, you have a personal, you got a coach like Jason Kid is, ain't too many other people who's ever been in the position and played the position to do it better. So I feel like he put him in a position to succeed, bro. He also has the mentality to want to win immediately. A lot of coaches are just like, okay, cool.

They look at it like, look, I got a little three, four year gig. I can throw this a little extension in here after two, three years. I can max this out to like six, seven, get fired, catch another gig, little assistant gig for a year. Like, bro, that's a 30 year plan. Because for like, you know, for people who look at it

like that's a hustle, but for, you know, for a player to come back and to be a coach, he looking at that, there ain't no hustle. That's a, we trying to win. Like I look out, I mean, for me, I look at most player coaches like that in the sense of, they don't come from the background of film and everything else and statistics and numbers and they looking at,

oh, we gotta win every five out of seven games in order for me to keep my job. No, the player coach, he trying to win every night. He don't look about tomorrow. Yonis has been mentioned among many trade rumors this week. Swish, do you believe Yonis will retire Buck? For sure. I think he retires a Milwaukee Buck and I think he gets a

statue before he done. Yeah, I think, I think he'd be tired as a buck, but it'd be probably when he comes back to play there. Yeah, he'd be tired, but when he come back, because if things continue to go the way they are with losing, as bad as he wants to win and compete for and contend for another championship, at this rate, uh-uh.

He started off losing though. They're not even close right now, those ways. He's gonna force his hand now. They started off losing when he was dead. You gotta think where he came from, bro. This man, when I tell you I seen this dude at 18, 19 years old at 145 soaking wet, Buddy was nasty.

To work up to where he's got that whole franchise to be. There's no way you leave that. You got the keys. Like, and I think that a lot of players have done it. A lot of players, the way we left Miami, even Mello, to an extent, I will. You give up those keys, CP, you give up those keys to the city. It didn't like you start moving around and shoving around. Shake your looks look start looking shaky

You start looking like a bad joint when the lights come on like trying to search and see who bring you home That's a tough. That's a tough look That's a tough look at them. You know who wants that look. I don't want that on my jacket Lights come on the end of the night. I want to be situated already. I want to be over there looking at who at the bar Speaking of trade rumors Jimmy Butler has once again seen his name dragged into multiple Multiple rumors as the NBA trade deadline slowly approaches. Paul Pierce chimed in on the matter and said, it's quick to shut down the idea of Butler joining

a young team such as the Rockets. According to Pierce, he would much rather see Butler leave Miami in favor of a move to Milwaukee. I like Jimmy Butler on the team that can get over the top. I like Jimmy to Milwaukee, makes more sense to me. He can be that missing piece at the age of 35. Do you need, you need to take the pressure

off of Yannis and Dane. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Go ahead, don't choke, that's your team, you like the bucks. Yeah, that's my team, I mean, hold on, how we giving up, how we giving up Jimmy and Jimmy going to the bucks to help out Yannis and Dane? What the hell we gonna get?

Chris Middleton. Chris Middleton. Y'all get some draft picks. So, no, don't put us behind the eight ball. Don't put us behind the eight ball. Give us something where we can continue to compete in the East. I think Jimmy, Jimmy wants a contract. I don't think Pat Riley, because, you you know Jimmy done missed a lot of times. You know, hey,

Twitch, you know how Pat is. Pat Harlequin. Pat old school. Pat ain't had enough no free money. Old school, especially as he know, see the thing about Pat too, man. Pat, he moved with the times, but not really. Like he understand like,

bro, the money and the inflation is gonna go up. It's gonna keep going up. But the money and inflation is going to go up. It's going to keep going up. But the money I give you, this comes with responsibility now. Yeah, the response. This comes with a lot of responsibility. And when you sign that deal with Pat, you got to shake that man's hand, look him in the eyes and like, all right, I don't hear no enough. I got I got you. Like we're good nothing else. I got you. I got you. Like real good fellas, like I got you.

And the way that you show him you ain't got him, that's a tough, man, I don't want that. For real. But I don't like Jimmy to the bucks though. Cause Yanis, him and Yanis, I don't like that mesh. Then you got, he gonna have to guard the ones and Dame gonna switch off on twos. It puts him in trouble on switching situations.

I don't like it. But Yanis needs shooters. Yeah, and Jimmy's not a knocker. He needs shooters. He don't need to look. Nope. No. Nope.

Give me, what's your buddy, the ratchet down there in Dade County, the other one. Here right when the other one, Robinson. No. Duncan Robinson. No, Duncan Robinson. Give him to Duncan Robinson. Oh yeah, hey Duncan.

I ain't nobody with that tall, he tall as hell. Yeah, he like 6'7". I like to sound 6'6", I don't like 6'5' and a quarter. But he like, he, I'm like, damn, champ, all right. And see, they had, and the thing is, remember they had, they had a good little thing when they had Grayson Allen. Grayson Allen was a nice catch and shoot.

He played well for our finish. Grayson Allen was a good pick up, man. He a little dirty. Yeah, he scrappy, he played defense. He he a little dirty. He's scrappy, he play defense, he did a little dirty stuff when he was in college. Okay, we forgive him for that. He should have had somebody fire on him if he'd been okay.

He ain't had nobody. I swear they lucky man, cause they be catching some dirty plays boy. Back in the day, they used to catch me so bad. If I used to try to like dip my elbow on the little screen and it wasn't even like dirty, it was just like to get over the screen. Man, when I tell you the Davis boys

used to tear me up on these picks. Oh my God. They lucky. Ocho, Ramstar Pooka Nakua says he could play in the NBA with ease. I think it would be so easy to transition from the NFL to the NBA. Less than three months. Listen, I listen as much as I love a love hook, I love my NFL players,

especially the league players at the at the NFL level. I don't think they understand. And then you go and you go to L.A. fitness, you go to the to the rec center. Maybe you play with hoopers sometimes. Maybe you play with Hoopers sometimes. Maybe you've played with tall players sometimes. I don't think they understand the difference and how good the, not even the elite. Some of the worst NBA players, how good they are once they're in a structured environment and it's disrespectful for Pooka to be able to be able to say,

you know what, I can come in transition and think it's easy. And dudes is good, man. Even as good as you may think you are when you're playing against regular people, it's different. It's different. And I understand that because I ran with them. I ran with them. I ran with them in New York.

What's the name of the gym? They're everybody working in New York where they run 55. Yeah, man. Listen, man. I thought, I thought, I thought I can get out there cuz I'm I'm quick, you know I'm fast and you know, I'm twitchy man I ain't had this I felt bad. I felt embarrassed cuz I had no business out there. None of my shit was working But here's the thing Ocho when you say he can play I

Think I don't think he talked about he gonna go get your 15 I think he said he's talking about he gonna go get you 15. I think he's saying he get some rebounds, set some picks. I mean, that's it, man, you come off a pick unless you gotta be a real shooter like that, you know, come off a pick or something like that, come off a screen. But you, man, listen, man,

then you got them trees down there too. Six, nine, six, 10, six, 11. They got 40 in verse. You got two of that six, six, six, seven. Man, you ain't doing nothing with that, man. You ain't doing nothing with that, man, at all, unless you special. And he don't have that kind of talent like a John Maran or Russell Westbrook where you just

going to blow by people based off skill set DNA. No. Uh-uh. He got a nice little game. He was on my team in Celebrity All-Star game. He got a nice little game. He was on my team in celebrity All-Star game. He got a nice little game. I ain't say he got no NBA game, damn. Okay, okay, okay.

I'm just making sure now. That's why I say against regular people, he look good. Yeah, he gets a three or four rebounds or something like that, don't you know? I ain't say they may go out there and hit like four, five threes. Hey man, it's different man. Let me ask y'all this,

what you think is the easier transition? Oh, the easier transition is basketball to football. You think so? Why you say that? Yeah, because, no, no, no, no, but here's the thing. Normally, guys that transition, they play football. You don't see no football players say, you, no, no, but here's the thing. Normally, guys that transition, they play football. You don't see no football player say, you know what, nah, Charlie Ward did.

Charlie, Charlie Ward played football and basketball in college. And you see a lot of guys that transition. Tony Gonzalez played football and basketball. Julius Peppers. Julius Peppers. Ronald Cranston. On your game? And Tony, yeah. football and basketball. Julius Peppers. Julius Peppers. Ronald Craswell. Football and basketball.

Yeah, but I think the thing is that it all depends on the position. A lot of times you're a tight end, Jimmy Graham, or you be in the D lineman. You didn't play no Y receiver, you didn't play no DB. Yeah, see that's my thing. When I told me, when I was getting recruited in high school, they told me,

my cousin went to Miami, right? So he ended up playing, he was playing DN and shit. So I'm like, all right, cool. He said, man, look, cuz I ain't gonna lie, the last couple of cats they brought down here, they was our size, they made tight ends. I said, listen, bro, I'll holla at y'all. I ain't playing no tight end, dog.

I ain't blocking, I ain't doing none of that. I'll holla at y'all. I ain't playing no tight end, dog. I ain't blocking, I ain't doing none of that. I holla at you. I ain't gotta put on another 45 pounds, 220. Like, no, dog, I'm not doing that. All right, y'all, they done put, you done been good. They done put 20 pounds on you. You done been having-

I'm straight, man. I ain't blocking nobody. I ain't even, no. And y'all got, see, that's the difference for me. See, for football to basketball, intellectually, y'all got, see that's the difference for me. See for football to basketball, intellectually y'all are way smarter than what y'all seen. Y'all be in these meetings, y'all know all the plays, y'all got a book this long.

Bro, I've been on teams with dudes, we got 10 plays. They don't know nothing though. Like bro, we just moving bro. We gotta know 200. Yeah, that's what I'm saying bro. Y'all gotta know 200 plays. I've been on teams like, yo bro, we just moving bro. We gotta know 200. Yeah, this what I'm saying bro. You gotta know 200 plays. I've been on teams like, yo bro, you good? Like, cause we just ran this play all day long

and you don't know it. Like, come on dog. Oh, that we do have some guys, we had a running back. I called it, I called it Mojay Simple. We got, I got a bunch of K get rights. I'm telling you right now. They broke. I say, bro, eight, no, I said, eight, no way.

Ain't no way. We just, we come out of the meeting. We come out of the media switch, put on shoes, go on the field. You done forgot already, that fast. Say what? Did somebody ever erase your memory on the way out to this mofo?

Ain't no way. We, Ocho, we literally, I'm talking about there was a probably a five minute gap from the time we got out the meetings, put our jerseys on, put cleats on, and went on the field He done forgot He don't blow everything every everything. Yeah, we got he running around when he's supposed to block He blocked when he's supposed to scan protect

Yeah We got some dudes coming out of timeouts, especially in the crunch. Oh my god in New York. They used to find $1,000 you mess up the you mess up the play coming out of time. That especially in the crunch. Oh my God. In New York, they used to fine you $1,000. You mess up the play coming out of the timeout, that's a thousand dollars, dog. Straight up. I said, Lord, have mercy. That's what blew my mind. Like for real, y'all be in there four or five hours.

It's like, bro, what's taking so long, fam? Like you lift weights, you got practice, you run through your plays, but then you watch film for hours, nah. We can't watch film for 30 minutes without the cats going to sleep. You watch a film for hours?

Hey, JR, that's what got me to leave. I just couldn't do it no more, because I had heard the plays, I knew the offense, front was in backwards. I knew what I was supposed to do, I knew what the Z was supposed to do, the X was supposed to do, the Y, the Z was supposed to do. The X was supposed to do. The Y, I'm playing Tiger in the two side set.

So I obviously I know why. I know what the Tiger's supposed to do. I know what John's supposed to do for protection. When they supposed to live it, when they supposed to rip it, the scap. It just got so old, man. I just like, I just couldn't do it no more. I hate meetings.

I still hate meetings to this day. That's funny, because I was talking to OG, man. Hall of Famer, you know what I'm saying? Just got in and he was talking about why he retired and one of his reasons was like, man, the locker room just got too young for me. Where I come from a culture where ain't no phones in the locker room.

They come in, they on Instagram, they on this, and they on that half times. And he's like, yo bro, where I come from, that's a no-no. We would put hands on you if you look disinterested in what we got going on. I'm like, damn, it's like that. He's like, no, for real.

Because see, I came into the league, JR, the cell phone was just starting to be a thing. Back then, minutes was like five, $6 a minute. So there wasn't a whole lot of guys making that kind of money that could have a cell phone. And then, you know, as it started, we started to get to like the mid-90s and to like the later end of the 90s,

then everybody started getting a cell phone. But prior to that, we had the phones, we had like four community phones. You could just press nine and you could dial out. Right. 10 minute meeting, you know, we get a break for a meeting. You would think somebody was an emergency call. They running, I'm like, who you talking to? Man, I'm talking to my girl. They run it. I'm like, who are you talking to?

And I'm talking to my girl. And I hang up. Bro, what do you think she doing? Where do you think she's you at? You at work? And you wonder why. But you quit the hollow. Coach don't like me. Coach messes over me. I ain't playing. This why your ass ain't playing. Cause you don't know what the F you supposed to do. Every time I say, every time you ask me what you supposed to do, I'm a yell out, Hey coach, he asked me what he's supposed to do. What do you got?

I would tell on you. I would tell on you. I would dive your ass out because you sitting in the same meeting I'm sitting in, but your dive your ass out. Because you sitting in the same meeting I'm sitting in, but your mind's somewhere else. Because it don't hurt you, it hurt us when we gotta put your ass in the game. Now you don't know what to do.

And everybody, why aren't you telling? He was in the same meeting I was in. For sure. That shit used to piss me off, dog. Like, bro, you right, you in my spot, and then you come in, in my spot, and then when you come in, in my spot, and you not where you supposed to be, and I need a little breather, and they got to,

hey, switch, come back. Bro. In practice, hey, I get, as you know, I will get me a blow, I will get on me a knee, I will be back there horse jibing. Sean, get back here. What happened? He don't know that.

Oh Lord have mercy. How you not know what to do? You got one job. I say, do you moonlight? I mean, you got another job I don't know about bro. It's just, and that's the thing man. The guys, when you realize that a lot of guys just don't care, they like everything about the sport

except playing the damn sport. They like the money, they like the girls, they like the attention, they like the clothes, they like the cars, they don't like football. They like all the stuff that comes along with being an NFL player. Man, later for that. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis,

author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker. Let's go. all about fans and what the rise of sports betting is doing to them, to the teams, and even to my family. I'm heading to Las Vegas and New Jersey and beyond to understand America's newest form of legalized gambling. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeart radio app, to ask. A 25 year old woman is going viral explaining her date with a 45 year old. Okay. Okay. Okay. 2545 you know 20 year death you know a day cake. I can rock with that.

Check this out. So it's which a 25 year old woman is going viral, explaining her date with a 45 year old who left a hundred dollars on the table and walked out. She told him she wanted to go to a steakhouse. He took her to 80 B's and a B's in Nashville. There are several 80 B's, but I don't want to national. That's not here. No there.

She ordered lamb chops, oysters, and crab fried rice after he only ordered a drink. Total cost of her meal, $159. You could hear her tell him, this is usually how I order. She paid the rest of the bill after he left $100 and walked out. I already know what Ocho's thinking. Which?

I already know. I ain't mad at him, I ain't mad at him. I ain't mad at him. This is the first time they going out? Yeah, I ain't mad at him, buddy. Yeah, let's see that. It was the first day. It was the first day.

I ain't mad at him. And the last day. For sure the last. Man, listen. Out the real? I was just gonna say, I was just gonna say that. And most of the time it's fellas out, it's dudes out here probably that she's been with before

and it's taken out, you know, it's all about showing out. It's all about showing out on the first date because, you know, first impressions of everything. You gotta reel in, how do you reel a woman in? By doing all the craziness in the beginning the more the crazy you are in the beginning with spoiling and spending a lot of money the easy is to get to get to your end goal and that's all to come down to it it's all a goddamn game man but oh if you start and that game is willing women to pull it off shit like this

that's crazy if i but swish here the. Check, let me ask y'all this. If I take somebody on the first or second date and I get a private plane, what I gotta do next? Get the space shuttle? Where the hell I go from there? If I'm getting you lobster, if I'm getting you, hold on, if I'm getting you lamb chops and oysters, now granted, we in different tax brackets, okay?

But I'm saying the average guy, ain't got a brand like that. Okay, we get you a seafood tower that costs $4,500. Okay, we get XYZ, that's one thing. But I'm saying, the seafood tower, they got like four or five lobster tail, they got crab claws, they got scallops, they got oysters, they got shrimp.

One of the cases maybe. They got crab paws, they got scallops, they got oysters, they got shrimp. Whatever case may be. Huh? What was the price? What was the price you said it cost? Probably about 350, 400. Man, y'all in a bunch of goddamn here, man. But that's what I'm saying. Ocho, but that's what I'm saying on a first date.

If you do that on the first date, where do you go from there? Nah, nah, nah, nah, I can't, nah. You can't go, you ain't nowhere to go. You gotta go to the moon. Shit is, shit is. That's what I'm saying. Baby, how about we start with something?

How about we start with something, you know? I ain't no sushi, so ain't no sense of me going there because I ain't gonna eat it. But can we go to like some like American cuisine? Okay, you know, they got burgers or they got some fish, they got some salmon, you know, they got you know, they got a group or they got some type of fish, you know, I'm saying Dover salt. I know.

How can we start ribs? Oh, can we start there? Start going to the state and you know, the state is a market price when you We start ribs, can we start there? Just start going to the steak, and you know the steak is a market price. When you start seeing someone with market price. Yeah. Nah. You know what it is, you gotta take it real old school nowadays, you gotta see what they really in for,

and you gotta take them on a couple picnics. Pack them some smuckers, peanut butter, jelly sandwiches and something. Pack them yummy. There you go, now about the crustables. I ain't making no sense, the crustables. They already got crusts off of them. Give me a couple of those.

You know what I'm saying? A couple of iced teas, little Arnold Palmer's in a joint. I got to say, if you really like me, a couple bags of Skittles or something, see where we at first. Yeah. Hey, I'm a simple guy. Even Swap ain't no swindle.

Okay, what we doing? You use me for the ride, I use you for the hide. You want the pay, I use you for a date. I mean, hey, even Swap ain't can't be no swindle. Come on, now. Can't be. I pop the back of the trunk, we sit out back, we chill, good conversation.

I'm looking, if you trying to be a sponsor, if you trying to be a partner, or you trying to get sponsored. Ooh, hold on. I just need, hold on, I got to you, hold on, let me, hold on, hold on. It's wish, I just need, hey, I can be either one. I just need to know.

I feel you. I gotta know. Don't leave it up to me, because I'm gonna think the other way immediately. That's just the way it is. That's it. I ain't got no problem with you. That's what you're trying to do. But I'm gonna try to do what I'm trying to do too.

Don't get mad. Yeah, I'm gonna put that with a Minos on my phone. Trying to be a smart, hold on. Trying toos on my phone. Trying to be a sponsor. Hold on. Trying to, what it was? Trying to be a sponsor. What you, dang. Are you trying to be a partner or are you trying to be sponsored?

I love it. That's for real though. That's for real. It's a lot of ones looking for sponsors. Yeah. I look, I understand. Look, like I said, I'm a little older now, Ocho. Yeah.

So you know what I'm saying? But see, here's the thing. Chick told me, she say, the reason why older men like younger women, she said a guy told her, as we get older, ain't nothing wrong with our eyes, what we like when we was in that age group, we still like them. Right.

I ain't got no problem. I ain't got no problem. I ain't got no problem. Whatever we decide to do, let's do that. If you say, Shannon, this is what it is. Let me decide. I'm gonna tell is what it is. Let me decide. I will tell you what it is. Yeah.

It's an equal exchange. That's where I think we're getting misconstrued. Like one outweighs the other. This is a very equal exchange. Yeah. Even swap can never be a swindle. And if you got, if you got, if you got grain. Yeah. Even swap can never be a swindle. And, and. Ocho, if, if, look, if you got, if you got,

if you got grain and I got cow that can produce, okay, Ocho, I need some grain. Okay, I need milk. Okay, even swap. Yeah. But now all of a sudden you come down there with some bulljie. Oh no, hell no.

You trying to get over. You ain't got no grain, but you want all this milk. Hold up, baby. Hold up, hold on, baby want all this milk. Hold up, baby. Hold up. Hold on, baby. And listen, you read all that. Honestly, not about no headaches about no headaches. I'm gonna do right by. Hey, you understand. 90 percent of the time you got all the milk on, ain't nobody got no grain.

You just the only one providing the motherfucking milk. So I'm the only one bringing something to the party? Right, 90% of the time, yes, yes. How about this, Ocho? Bring something to the picnic besides your appetite. Please. Yeah, that's it. Can you bring plastic for us?

Can you bring that? Can you bring something other than your appetite. Please. Yeah, that's it. Can you bring plastic for us? Can you bring that? Please. Can you bring something other than your appetite? Wow, wow. So I'm not saying you got to have the most elaborate spread, but just bring something. Hey, you go to somebody else's house, oh, you can't just show up, hey, how y'all doing?

And you ain't got nothing? You better show up for something. You didn't bring no plates? Bring, how y'all doing? And you ain't got nothing? You better show up for something. You ain't brought no plates? Bring a bag of ice. Bring some ice, bring some cups, plates. Hey, bring them cheap ass checks. So that they won't be liking it. Bring something.

Yeah, bring them my quarter waters. Hit me. Yeah, bring something. We done got to the point, now we show up to people, I'm like, it's just because it's our presence. Hey, how y'all doing? What y'all got? No, we ain't doing nothing. We ain't doing nothing.

As a matter of fact, you know what we doing? And sometimes- Storm run. Hey, we need some ice. I'll holler at you in a minute, dog. And so a lot of times they be with me showing up with hoo-ha and think that's enough. Well, how long? You know, sometimes that is all this enough. What are they advertising everywhere?

What are they advertised everywhere? I saw they got Hold on everybody everybody turn backwards everybody turn to the side Using the sink to make it, you know, let us that's it That's all that's all. That's all there is to. Well, I see. I see. I asked, how do you catch our attention? Huh?

How do you catch our attention? The most valuable thing you have to offer is what you ever do. Just like just like a man. If a man got money, what's the first thing you advertise? He got what that more lie? Yeah, you know a even what you say even even exchange ain't no way how you say it even swap ain't no swindle Well, you already know what it is the game is catching the man catching the man catching the Marlin ain't the problem Yeah, get that sucker to the boat. Yeah, the man ain't no issue Can you land him? Oh yeah you can land him but he gonna throw you out he gonna throw you back out

into the sea. Hey I'm just gonna keep jumping till I get back to the wall. I ain't gonna stop jumping. Stop. Look. Oh Joe, look, like I said, I'm in a situation now, I mean, when I ain't have a whole lot of money, knock on wood, I only had one situation where somebody, I thought somebody was trying to take advantage of me when it came to eating. But now I got some bread. Okay, you know, hey, we go to a nice restaurant.

I mean, but you ain't about to get no Kobe. You ain't about to find nothing that cost a hundred dollars an ounce. Oh, hell no. I ain't gonna lie, I walked costs $100 an ounce? Oh hell no. I ain't gonna lie, I walked out on the joint one time like that. I was in New York at a steakhouse, she was just ordering it up, ordering it up.

I went straight to the bar, I told the dude, I said, look man, here's 200 for these two drinks, and I'm just gonna go ahead and slide. He said, oh okay, hit me about an hour later, where you at, what's going on? I ain't never went back. I'm not doing all of you, ordering all this wine and you don't even drink wine. All of a sudden you're a song bitch.

Like, get your ass out of here. They do that to you, man. They know you got bread, man. I'm all that to you. You ain't even acting the same. When I met you, you was a chick from the runway from the Bronx. Now all of a sudden you Jenny from the block. I ain't even, nah, bro. I ain't got acting the same you When I met you you was a chick from the runaway from the Bronx now It's a you Jenny from the block. I ain't no bro. I got time for that. Oh, I got time for that

See see what you done started oh Joe. Oh, I started who who who I don't even put myself in them situations like that I don't play that shit No, sir To what uh to what it ought should be a nice little meal. $200 who? American dollars? Yes. $200 a nice little meal in jail.

Nah. Y'all can't have it. That's what gratuitous everything on show. No, I'm good. Okay, steak cost 50. I got a steak cost 50. She get two drinks. I'm drinking ginger ale.

More times than not, she probably be, you know, she ain't gonna want no dessert. I got a steak cost 50. She get two drinks. I'm drinking ginger ale. More times than not, she probably be, you know, she ain't gonna want no dessert. I'm cool. Two hundred for the thing. Get a, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, leave a tip. Okay, 250. Nah, that's still too much.

Leave, get a guy $30 to bring my car around. I'm out, okay, I'm out 280, $300. Yeah. All right, listen, you have to stand. And then if you're Nancy K, okay, I might go, if I think she a Nancy K, I go to 400. So what you saying, Ocho, what's your cap bracket? What's the budget?

But you know, I don't eat at those places that you guys are talking about. My place is, I mean, I can be honest, we family, and those of you that, you know, I don't, I don't eat at those places that you guys are talking about. My places. I mean, I can be honest, we family and those of you that know in the chat, especially if you follow me, you know, my stuff is always the same. You know, my Bahama breeze. I got a lot of my Longhorn. I like brimstone.

I have a Cuban spot that I frequent all the time. So the places I like to frequent and go to dinner aren't like that. So if you spend 150, it's the worst. They bring in all sparklers and everything. Yeah. Yeah. Matter of fact, now you have the thing about date night, date night when, when well, I'm single now, when I wasn't single and date night, not then that's

when I was introduced to different types of foods that I didn't eat before. And then now we talk about a dinner might be 150, maybe $200. Outside of that, it was nothing. It's something that I don't do on a norm, so I'm not used to it. Yeah. I think if you get out there,

honestly, I think if you get out there with, you know, she gon' get two drinks, at least I'm hoping. Two drinks. Shit, that's 400 for sure. She get two drinks, She has 400 for sure. That's forward. You're not was a little too good. Why you boy? That was a little bit.

You're going to be that funny. I was straight up. Cocktails like 30 dollars. I leave right there and go to the liquor store. We got the whole. You know, she doesn't pass that off before we even got the meal. Now, if you get an appetizer, you get one, she get one, boom, that's another appetizer

gonna be at least somewhere between 20 and $30. So you get two, that's 60, plus a drink, 90, plus my ginger ale, which is 10, that's $100 right there. And we ain't even got to the entree. And I ain't go a lot, man. I don't know if it's the times or the numbers is going up, but it just seemed like they drink faster than they used to. Those two drinks go a little faster than they used to.

But they come back before you notice, like, oh, can I have one more? I'm just gonna have one more. You said that three drinks ago. Like, damn, bro. Hey, and low you, low you did drive, hey, you Ubering, hey, we good. Nah, nah, nah, see, I can't do a sloppy situation.

That's the quickest way to get me off your line. You come over and go, hey, hey, hey, hey, I ain't got the time for that. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You gotta like, like a lady now, you gotta keep it classy. Oh, no, no, you can't, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You gotta like a lady now. You gotta keep it classy. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, oh, no, oh, no.

You gotta keep it classy now. Mm-mm. I'm gonna put you on a minimum. I'm gonna put you on a two, three drink minimum. For real. Yeah, I think most women can handle two. I think that's, now they got something that, hey, two? Man, I can drink seven of these things.

I'm like, yeah, okay, now I'm playing in my skate. You wrestling. I played. Oh, yeah. You and they match. Yeah. Whoa, whoa. Girl, you more woman than I ever be made. Drinking several of these things. Oh, hell no. Mm-mm.

Mm-mm. No hell no. Like I said, I'm like you, JR, too. You getting too drink. You gotta get you at a minimum. I gotta, and I gotta make sure I gotta see what you drinking to. Cause they gonna order that $200 tequila

and thinking they doing that Casa Azul and all that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Hold up, baby. Hold up, you was Reposado from Casa Amigos. Don't act like that now. Now all of a sudden you Casa Azul and all that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This ain't that.

You know, hey, hey, get a no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, okay, yeah, okay, okay, I feel it, I feel it. I don't know what the hell y'all talking about. Man, it's like a good stick, that's all. It's just like a good stick, they just drink it faster. No, but hey, that's it, two drinks, Ocho. They get past, hey, can I get one more? Nah, babe, nah. See, that's why, for real, I go to wine.

Because I'd rather just spend, I'd rather spend 100, 120 on the wine, get it to a nice, good bottle of red. You're gonna get four glasses, I get two glasses, you get two glasses, everybody's satisfied. It's gonna last us throughout the whole dinner. But you sitting here doing drinks and this and that, then before you know it, they get that vodka

or something of any, they, like, not only, know it, they get that vodka or something up in you, they, like, now I'm trying to get you to chill, mellow out, we gonna go ahead and go to the crib, have a nice little night, all that. I ain't got, no, no, no, I ain't doing that. I ain't good like I used to. See? See how I told you?

You gotta chill. Yeah. You get, you know, when you get your situation rectified, boom. I don't like the way you looking like. You see, fix your body language, right? That's my coach used to tell me, fix your body language.

Hey man, he love to be like, Uncle, I don't know, Uncle, I don't know. Listen, we family, right? Yeah. The longer... The longer... How do you say it? The longer you apart,

the harder it is to get back. No, no, no. I mean, not even that. It's just like... It's becoming like, like, man, fuck it. Like, the longer, you know? When there's something that's always constant, constant, constant, you it. Like the longer, you know, when there's something that's always, always constant, constant, constant,

you have it all the time. And the longer it is prolonged and it just become like, man. Man. I'm just saying. Nah, I feel you, I'm listening to you. I hear you, man, that's tough. That's a tough situation, man. Man, work with that shit, don't you? I was about to say, let me ask you this.

Is it rectifiable? Everything is rectifiable. I can't say that. I can't. Me personally, I don't have that in me. You don't think everything. Shut up, shut up, stupid. Hey, that's a good question. Let me ask you something.

So, you, what is it rectifiable in your eyes? For me, what can happen? Like if she does this, this A, B, and C, A, B, or C, you know what? That's a wrap. We can't do nothing no more. For me, if I felt like I can't trust you, you defy my trust within, and there's layers to that. Like it's like telling a lie. If there's a white lie, then you know there's a lie

that you know that's just over crossing the shit. You know what I'm saying? And for me, I feel like people will have a good, like the person I pick, they got a good conscience to know what I'm standing for and what I'm not standing for. So if you cross that line, and I felt like you knew what you was in, you know how I wrote. So you know, it would never be a situation

to where you gonna come tell me what happened. If it ain't that, if you put yourself in a position to where you feel like you can't come tell me, you can't tell me that we never was what I thought we was, that we should stop right now. For me, me personally, because I trust too hard and I love you hard for you to be playing with me on a way that you that I feel about you that you don't feel about me. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker.

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So have you ever, since you've been dating, when you've dated before and you've been in love with these, you know, individuals and a woman has made a mistake, where you've lost her trust, do you ever give her any grace? Or once you cross that line, it's it. That's it. That's a wrap. I have and I got burnt. Yeah, I got burnt crazy. With my homie too.

Like my man. We was in Vegas at the same time, All Star. Popped up in the room. I'm here in the room. I'm walking in there, go see my little joint. He in there with her. I'm like, oh. Yeah. Whoa.

Yeah. Yeah. Then after I already with these moves, I was like, okay, so you know what? Savage. That's what we all, that's what we do with. I'm a savage now. That's what I got, that's what you turned me into. And I hate to use that as like somebody fuel, put that energy in my back.

But yeah, that's what, when I seen that that and I was young. I was like 20. I got drafted, I was 18. I was 20, like young, right into the league still. It was like my second, third year. I was like, oh, okay, this is how they really move. And I was like, all right, bet. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the game plan.

You don't learn the game until you've been in it for a few years with great understanding on how to. You start saying. And you got to ask her like, when you go to a situation, you got to go ask some of the vets. Hey, what's up? What's up with her? Oh man.

Blah, blah, blah, blah. What's up with her? Blah, blah, blah. Because the vets know. And for the most part, they ain't gonna, you know, sometimes, you know, you stumble up on one and they want it and they gonna try to assault you up. But.

It's a lot of hating ass vets. Man, I would say she was bad too. She, I stumbled up on her, you know what I'm saying? Oh, I stumbled up on one, you know, every once in a while, every once in a while, every once in a while, Allen can't find a whole chicken in the trash. He ain't gonna always find scraps.

I stumbled upon one, Ocho. Yeah. I made a mistake. I was cool with dude, cause he played with my brother. So I thought I could, you know, yeah, man, you know, I've been seeing how I've been, you know, so he gonna try to backdome it.

Oh, not the front though. He went through the backdome backdome. Check this out. No, he told a girl he did what he told her. Oh, you gonna help him and you ain't gonna give me no hoo-ha. Oh, hell no. Yeah. See, that's the oldest trick in the book, dawg.

That's for years. That shit still happens, dawg. What? Years. Yeah, each outfit, oh! Oh, here's a thing to top it off, Ocho. He probably gonna be on the team next year. I swear, that one right there, I swear.

He gonna be out of the league, he gonna be broke, he gonna be this, that, and third. Damn, champ. Because here's he gonna be this, that, and third. And I'm like, damn, champ. Because here's the thing though, Ocho, the thing about like, not all, there's no situation of all or every. But a lot of times, even if you cool with a chick and y'all leave on somewhat good terms,

if somebody come try to, on your team, come try to holler and say something about you She'll tell you She'll tell you Every time too Even if you in a whole other situation and cool with it and everything good they gonna let you know for sure Oh she she told me I had a dude in college. He ain't gonna try to,

hey, ain't you cool with shop? It ain't like that. Really dude? Hey, matter of fact, hey Jay, and you know, we, this is a great topic. This is barbershop. This is basically how the locker room is anyway. You ever been with somebody, if you ever been with somebody in general, based on

your experience and y'all were together and what happened, do you, do you, do you give them grace if they step out on y'all based on what you're talking about? Because Jay, you said if trust is, if trust is broken and you can't trust them more do you give grace or you like you out the dough? What you think? You out the dough? How do y'all operate based on this? It all shows for me. You gotta think about it when y'all was playing Jay when you was playing the individuals that are trying to talk to the woman you with are those that have money just like you.

Just as much money as you got. Yeah, for sure. Just as much money. So the chances of them actually being loyal, it is, I don't want to say it. It's even because depending on who's asking, depending on who's asking, your girl is single. Yeah, for sure. Nah, for sure. Hold on.

You're not, hold on. Let me say this again. Depending on who's asking, even if she's with you, your girl is single. Yeah, for sure. Hold on. You're not. You know, let me, let me say this again. Depending on who's asking, even if she's with you, the girl is single. Yeah, for sure. Okay. 1000%. But bro, you gotta think. And I don't, I think, I think, I think, I think the casual people in the chat probably wouldn't understand, but if you in that world, if you're in that world, she gone. Like y'all, you get what I mean. Bro, I went to the All-Star game. For the most part, 95% of the time you're absolutely right Ocho,

Big Bang take Little Bang. Oh every time. That's why you see big corporations gobble up little corporations. Every time. I went to the all-star game in Houston, right? And that was my second year. It's my third, no, my third year was in Vegas.

My second year was in Houston. So I go to Houston. I bring this, I have my first little quote-unquote video vixen, little chick, little smooth magazine, cover, little joint, I got one. I'm calling the homies back, yeah, I got it, yeah, yeah, I got it, take it to the game and everything. I'll take it to the game, but my seats wasn't like that.

I'm still first year kind of guy. So I'm like 15, 20 rows up. So we chopping it up, kicking it in, halftime comes, I'm about to be right back, da da da da. Never come back. Halftime come back, she's sitting on the court side with big homie. I'm like, oh.

At the game, like. Oh, at the game, like. Left you mid game. Left me mid game. Check on the court right there with the big, Wait, she left. Big mink. You did that? Yeah, dead ass.

Dead ass? Like booty in the cemetery, straight up. What the? Straight up. Left me right there standing. Dang. But let me give you another story. So for me, you and my teammates,

I had a teammate who's best, like his man is right, this is my head man, we all on the same team, basketball team, real live pro team. He go, when we go out of town, my man's homeboy taps his man wife when we on the road. Yeah, it gets funky, bro. Oh, now see, I got to have him. Yeah, it gets funky.

No, you know what? You know what? It gets funky, dog. You know what, old chap? But here, you know what the deal is, Gil? The thing is, is that I'm not married to him. I'm married to her. Yeah.

Now, that's my homeboy. Now see the me cuz I ain't got a whole lot of homeboys. For my homeboy to do that and I thought I'd allowed you in my home. I'm gonna lump you up bro. I ain't gonna lie. Hold on. It's the disrespect. Hold on but the disrespect is with the women in that scenario, not your homeboy. But he know that's, I would never, my homeboy. Yeah, I gotta put hands on him. What's your homeboy name? The one that you grew up with in Liberty City?

Shadi, doink. Thank you. Your situation, hey, you out of town, you trust around your people, they go out there and they try to they smash come on man I'm done with her But I got something for him. No, no, no, no, no, I'm talking about a teammate though Like we win we on the same team. We're all three of us on the same team. We all we go in the room

Yeah, Oh Joe man. How about my lady? He in my house with my lady when we on the road Oh with my lady. He in my house with my lady when we on the road. Oh, oh, see that's how, see now, now, oh yeah, see that's ultra different. Now you talking about somebody saying, yeah we need smoke. Now you talking, now somebody letting doves go on something.

You gonna kill him out? For sure, what you mean? No, I, also, people will kill boy, that's why I'm a passion. Do you understand? People get off for stuff like that. Boy, you better be careful. Man, what? What I told you about, what I told you about managing expectations, boy. Ocho, you don't manage expectations with a wife.

No, sir. You committed. What oh Joe you don't manage expectations with a nice heart You committed you know managing expect if you got to manage your expectations with a wife Why did y'all even get married? Why do y'all why did y'all say those vows? It ain't no manager know if you want to manage expectations with a girlfriend. I get that Okay, okay, you're right Forgot the white part I forgot I forgot the white part. I forgot the wife part. I forgot the wife part. Man, look here. Women that are married, look here, man. Y'all gotta know who y'all dealing with

because everybody don't handle rejection the same way. But it goes around the side. So I understand that for the women to snap and when they man out here tripping, so it go both ways. I don't want the women to think like, oh, we on one side. No, it goes regardless.

If you get caught in that situation, it's the... I ain't coming up, I ain't coming up, I'm not coming up in no man's house. No sir. Ocho, you go up in a man's house. You know a man lived there. You know that's his wife. Anything that happens to you after that, I'm okay with.

Straight up. Nah, hell yeah, straight up his wife. Anything that happens to you after that, I'm okay with. Straight up. Nah, hell yeah, straight up. Anything. Anything. Anything. The same thing I feel about when you spit on somebody. Oh yeah. See, you get to control your actions. You don't get to control the consequences of your actions.

Right. So you walk your ass up in that man's house, you know. Black women tell me, I me I know he was mad that man got a photo business with a car seat in the back what the hell you think going on posters around this motherfucker posters not pictures post what do what dude what not what non-married dude riding around with a car seat. Hey, it's a dirty game, man. Man, stop it. Hey, Ocho, I don't play, that's one thing. It's a dirty game.

I play, you not, I joke, you know, we and you joke back and forth and I joke. Yes, sir. I don't joke about nobody's wrong. No, sir. Yeah. Cause I don't have too many situations in my hometown. Right. Where people have hurt somebody

Hey, uh, it's all about knowing a no disrespect to those situations and This is fellas for you in the chat All you have to do is pay attention to who you're dealing with and understand who you're dealing with early Then you'll never get mad You never get mad. You'll never get mad. You'll be disappointed sometime. You'll be disappointed. You'll be disappointed because sometimes you grow to love an individual.

Yes! Sometimes those red flags, they look green sometimes, depending on who it is, you know? So you're gonna get mad at yourself. But when you understand exactly who you're dealing with, you just, at some point that the tables are going to turn. The table, we play like my granddad used to say way back in the day, what

why I want you to always remember the same way you got them and the same way you going to lose them. Is it always plays out that way every time. Always. I don't want that kind of... I don't want that kind of lose. I don't want to lose them like that. I ain't trying to lose myself like that because I'm going to be behind some bars. I ain't going to lie.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, you got to be careful. You do. But boy, hey, boy, that love, boy, hey, boy, that pain. Oh, yeah. It don, hey, would I pay? Oh yeah, you know, it don't play on what? Hey, see, I ain't experienced that kind of hurt like y'all. I can see your face.

I can see, I can see the passion. When you, when you rose up off that goddamn chair. I don't know what your boy. I'm telling you, I don't never want to feel that. Man, I never want to feel that. I know I didn't realize how bad it was. To my brother and sister called, say you need me to come out there. My sister never called. Right.

My brother never. My brother calls,, hey bro, you need me? No, I'm going to be all right. He asked me again. I hung the phone up with him. He called me back FaceTime. That's the only time my brother's ever called me FaceTime. Only time. I've never talked to my sister FaceTime. Only one time my brother called me FaceTime. He said, look at me and tell me you're going to be okay. I said, what we always say, man, Porter raised three the hard way. I'm good. He hung the phone up. I gave him my word I was good. I gave my sister

my word I was good. I might lie. In my life I lied to a lot of people. I ain't gonna sit and tell you I ever. Yeah. I ain't never lied to them two more foes. I told him I was good. I had to be good. How you got over that? It wasn't easy, Ocho. I only like it wasn't easy. Um, time. Yeah. See, and it took you a while to get over. I got better at dealing with it. See, the quickest way to get over one woman is to get on another one.

All right, I get on that, Ocho. woman is to get on another one. I'll write it up. I don't know. I got to put in another one. But now and all that in all seriousness, it took it took a while. It was tough because when you be with someone for a length of time. Right. And you know, it's funny, you talk about even when you be with somebody for a long time and even if you do get up on another woman, that post-nut clarity, when it sets in, and that temporary satisfaction that goes the way,

that pain see right back in. Oh, yeah, for sure. It's reality hits again. Because you know what happened though, Joe? You find yourself questioning yourself. Yeah. Do I like this person, or am I trying to get over that person? Trying to get over him.

Yeah, I don't even think it's a real question. I think you know you're trying to get over him and you like, you know what I'm saying? It sounds like he tricking yourself into like. Yeah, and it's not fair to the other individual. At all, I fell into that situation a few times, for real. That shit is not fair and it's not fair to the other individual. Yeah, at all. At all. I fell into that situation a few times, for real. That shit is not fair, and it's selfish as hell, because we all get trapped up in our own shit.

By the end of the day, you gotta be mad enough to own it and tell them and be like, yo, listen. I got caught up. This is not what you thought it was or how fast like listen I'm coming from situation X1z and it's tough bro. I ain't gonna lie man Like I left my mom my wife's kids mom ex-wife and her I got three kids We got three kids together man when I left home like that shit was like it shows eating me not only for the kids

But like I felt like that was my homie, like that was my early. And when you go through, you know what I mean? We've been together for a substantial amount of years, like I'm talking about, but like when you growing apart and you go into different layers and different parts of one of the phases of your life, and you get up onto somebody else,

and like you gotta wash that whole stink up off you from a whole nother person. Like that shit is like, and it ain't stink like that, but it's like, you got like, people, I've always heard my grandparents used to say a lot of time, like, you better be careful who you lay down with. Like them souls and spirits upon you. And that shit is real for me anyway,

because like when you laying down with somebody, you intimate with somebody, you giving everybody that type of energy, and then it's time to move on, you gotta wash all that shit up off you, because you can't carry no new shit up on you to a new situation. You'd be in a worse situation than what you just left.

Hmm. Yep. Now it's time for our last segment of the day, guys. It's time for Q&A. Now it's time for our last segment of the day, guys. It's time for Q and A. ["Sweet Homework"] Fela speaks, JR is a great addition. Fela, thank you.

Victoria, love the JR Smith. He is a good move for Shadon Ocho. Thank you. Tres Kendo, congratulations JR on your first son. Appreciate it, appreciate it. Devon Bell say what's good, Ocho and Swish. Two questions, do you think the Warriors should trade for Brandon Ingram?

And does he fit with the team? Swish, I go to you first, you our basketball expert. Should the Warriors trade for BI? I think if they can for sure, depending on who they give up. I like they Wiggins trade them Trade the big B. I said right now the only thing scares me is Wiggins showed up huge in a D in a

When they beat Boston in that finals he on defense Oh, yeah, that's a side we really didn't really need them off. Yeah defensively. He showed up huge And I think I think over the last couple years he was dealing with something with his dad We ain't really need them more often, but defensively he showed up huge. And I think over the last couple of years, he was dealing with something with his dad. He had some probably some home life issues, some family issues, and his dad just recently passed away. So that's probably been on his mind. He probably is, that's, you know, now that he knows his father is resting comfortably, I think he'd probably be a better player. But prior to that, everybody always saw the potential, but he was never able, quite able to figure it out.

That was a year, I think he averaged like 19, 20, switch, and you're right, he played outstanding defense. I mean, defensively, the way Andre Gadella coached him up in that finals, it was probably one of the best player to player experiences I've seen, like with a vet and a younger player and showing them and teaching them where to be in the right spots. And he really excelled from them.

I thought he would have a much higher trajectory right now with a couple of all-stars or something underneath his belt. But obviously going through some personal issues that can easily, you know, deter the route. trajectory right now with a couple of all-stars or something underneath his belt, but obviously going through some personal issues that can easily deter the route. But I like them, but I think BIOs would be a great fit for that team. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life.

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to podcasts. A. Dan Smith said, Lakers are sorry. They need to blow up the roster. They need to blow up the roster, Ojo. Nah, don't, nah, don't blow it up, man. Don't blow it up. Don't blow it up. Hell nah. Keep two, three. You can move whoever else you need.

McGuire said, do y'all think JJ lost the buy in after he threw LBJ under the bus two times I mean, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie.

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I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. Maybe he said something in the post game interview. Ash, did he say anything in the post game interview? Because you know, we came on right after. I mean, if it was, it wasn't well-worn. The man had 39, 76 at 40 years old. I don't know. What else? Yeah, I don't know what they thinking. Hello. She's trying to find it. I guess apparently he said something last week.

Uh, actually going to try to find that. So hopefully we can get to it before we get off there tonight. Cameron or would you say we look with, uh, would you like to see jaw in the dunk contest because I would. Well, what made the dunk contest so great, Gale, is that before, your best dunkers were some of the best players. You had Dominique, you had Jordan, you had Dr. J, you had Sean Kemp. You know, you had some of the best players were your best dunkers.

Now, none of the best players are in the dunk contest. They go out and get guys outside, they get guys in the G League that's not even in the NBA. Or guys you've never heard of that are in the NBA. So it's a whole different thing now. I think the thing is guys wanted to participate. Kobe got it, although he was young. But I think now it doesn't have the same pizzazz.

That's why the three point competition is last now. Because more people show up before the three than to see the dunk contest. Yeah, I think, like, and I think a lot of people give Braun a lot of flack for when he's not a, he's not a slam dunk contest dunker. No, he's not a creative dunker. That's not his thing.

Yeah, he don't have the creativity. He's an end game dunker. Like he's end game tower over you, switch hands, do all of that and dunk. But as far as like, okay, I'm gonna throw it off the backboards, put it between my legs, behind my back, 360, like that's not his thing. So it makes, like for me,

like it would make sense for a job in a rant or an Ant-Man to go get in there. What's the young kid from the kid Jones, he was with Miami, Barry Jones, that stuff like that makes sense. But like just to have certain guys in it just because they a superstar, that don't make sense to me.

It's like when they start putting big men in a three point competition, it's just like, bro, come on, man, what we doing, dog? Yeah. Yeah. Jada from Akron. Hey, guys, dark day for many of us. Glad y'all came on and brightened up.

Ocho 428, who who your running may be can't pick up. He won't do it. I run a mate. What would he what he talk about my running mate is election. Oh, yeah. election. Election, Trump won the election. If I were in the presidency? Yeah.

Shit, if I run it made out, it'd probably be T.O. T.O. would be my vice president. Ooh. Oh, that'd be fine. But we're a mess. I ain't missing. Man, I wish they would, I wish they would let me run for president.

But I... You can't. The American people. You might as well. American people, this is something that we've always. We've needed someone like me in position. To give you not just empty promises like everyone else. But to actually make this place better again.

Well, I didn't for you as you. I didn't for you as you're here. I didn't know. I wasn't leaving in 2016. Uh, I wasn't leaving in 2020. I'm not leaving in 2024. Um, the man won fair square. Uh, not only did he win electoral college, he won the popular vote. Yeah. So it's just not mega Republicans that voted for it. He pulled the middle. Yeah.

He pulled a middle. He grew in every demographic. There's not one demographic in which he did not grow in. So whatever he's saying is resonating with the people that's listening, whether you like it or not, whether you like it or not, he won fair and square. And guess what? My eyes open today. Yeah, I went to work and I'm going to work.

I'm not. I don't worry about things I can't control. We have a process, a democratic process in which people can go cast their vote for the candidate they think is best suited for them and their country. He won. Whatever he said, all I, look,

I just need him to be a man of his word. Whatever he said he's gonna do, I need him to do it. Whatever that is. And I don't wanna hear no backlash because he got the Senate, he about to get the House, and he got a majority in the Supreme Court. Ain't nothing to hate. So the next three and a half years,

be on your best behavior. He said he's gonna institute stop and frisk. He gonna give police immunity. He gonna have mass deportation. That's what would run across the ticket. He said his first date, mass deportation. Over a million the first day, ah man. Hey, y'all heard what he said?

All I want the man to do is do what he said. Whatever he promised. He said he gonna lower the taxes for the wealthy. Hey, lower the taxes for the wealthy. Mass deport, mass deport. Whatever the rules are, what you gonna do with abortion bans or whatever he goes to do. Hey, Department of Education, you said it was gonna go,

let it go. I want him to do exactly what he said because that's what you voted for. Don't get mad. Don't get mad now. I'm talking to you'all right now. Mm-mm. Damn, who would your running may be, huh?

Man, I don't want, man, look here. I hate people in my damn business now. Can you imagine running for president? How many people, people get paid to go in your business and dig it up. Imagine that ain't nobody getting paid to be in my business and they be trying to be in my business all the time. I don't want no part of no presidency.

I don't want no part of nothing. I just wanna be, man, you gotta go out there every day, gotta have a press conference. You can't go nowhere, you got secret service. Before you go in any building, they gotta sweep it. They sweep the whole building. They gotta get passports and clearance

for everybody who in the building days and months before you get there. Bro, y'all saw, I saw that with Madam VP. Bro, do you understand everybody? They had to, okay, who you coming? Social Security number, blah, blah, blah. They run a complete background check. You got two checkpoints before you get in there.

You go through a metal detector, then they pat you down. They got dogs. I mean, everywhere, all you see is people with earpieces in their ear. They took Jordan whole bag apart. They made Jordan take pictures with the cameras. They said, I'll take a picture.

All right, take another one. Or do a video to make sure those were what I said, oh, man. They took it took Jordan 20 minutes to get in there. I started walking back down again and I was like, what the hell? He like, hey, every camera he had, they made him take it apart, put it back together, take pictures, take videos. Oh yeah. Oh, it was a process. That was, that was, she's running for the, can you imagine what it's like if you were

to sit down with the president? Yeah. I want that. I want that. I got enough hugs. Earl Caldwell said, who's the best scorer ever? MJ, Kobe, KD, or someone else? KD.

Kyrie. The man that got 41,000 points? Kyrie You got Kyrie the best score You said just scoring not nothing else just scoring Kyrie, yeah Not even close you like Gary Close oh not even. James, they didn't even, he ain't even in the top five.

Scoring? Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no, no. Ka is different. Man, switchback, hard head, that stretch. Yeah, but it's like, it's also a stretcher. He's shooting 18 to 15 free throws a game. Like that's different. That's not necessarily efficient buckets. Like granted, you getting to the free throw line and you just putting points on the board without scoring. But I'm talking about like, bro,

I need you to go like 12, 15. Put the ball in the basket. Like that type of bucket. I ain't talking about no step back, pull, and dance, dance my boy Guy is nasty man left hand right hand Oh, yeah, hey, he could he can dance with the ball handles is crazy his to me. He's the best Six foot six one and under finisher that I've ever seen

No, not close an under finisher that I've ever seen. Not even close. And you think, he's not above the rim player. Just imagine if he could play above the rim. Oh my God, like bro, I'll tell you. English, the up and under. Post up, spot up, 90% from free throw, just however you want. Literally, and it don't matter. You can be tall, short, fat, skinny, slow, fast.

It don't matter. He get to it and he got to change the pace with it. That's so crazy. So I was saying, hey, okay, just want to remind you that you had 67 touchdowns on half 62 much love future Hall of Famer. Nah, I got my own. I got my own jacket.

One on one. You don't know where it is. You ain't got no jacket. I appreciate y'all talking about breakups. Had one in high school and dog. I couldn't eat for two weeks, but definitely made me a savage. No, for real. It turns into a Savage. Nah, for real, it'll turn you into a Savage.

Hey, it'll turn. Nah, you straight, dawg, don't even worry about it. Oh, no, no, I'm talking about, well, I'm damn near 50, them days long gone. The Savatree is over? Oh, yeah, damn they long gone. The savagery is over. Oh, yeah. Shit, hell yeah. You got to think, I live with what he talking about. I did that damn near 30, 25 years ago, man.

That shit old. Yeah. And that's, I'm in a different place in life right now where it's so much other, it's so much other shit going on, when that piece of the puzzle ain't working, I feel the void and I feel that space with stuff like this and the other 230 goddamn, goddamn jobs. And then as more time, the more time that goes on,

and I have space, then it just, at some point, it just, it fills itself. It just, it just fills itself with like, you know, and it becomes routine and you become, you become okay. It's only but so much call of duty you can play though. Yeah. I be playing call of booty. They talk that. Yeah.

Hey, break my heart, down what I'm calling. He got the roster. He goes back to the roster. Nah, I ain't gonna spin the block. That was my problem. I was spinning them drones. I was spinning them drones like, I ain't get it. Hold up, let me go back around. Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah.

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