Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 2: Draymond Green RECRUITING PITCH to LeBron + Heat EYEING Russell Westbrook + Tim Hardaway Sr. TAKES ISSUE With Players Podcasts + Stefon Diggs CLAIMS He’s BEST WR #2

Episode Date: July 14, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to Draymond Green pitching LeBron to join Warriors, Heat looking to sign Russell Westbrook, Tim Hardaway Sr. takes issue with current player podcasts and Stefon Diggs Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Draymond Green on his recruiting pitch to LeBron on their golfing trip22:20 - the Heat are an option to sign Russell Westbrook31:55 - Tim Hardaway Sr has an issue with players podcasting during the season40:49 - Hardaway also came at Tyler Herro for not being “all the way Heat”57:49 - Stefon Diggs says he’s the best WR2 in the NFL (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And us being brothers, I'd be remissed if I don't take the opportunity to throw my pitch in there. You know, I'd be crazy if we're together for X amount of days. And at no point in my mind, like, y'all, we need to chop it up. Like, what the hell is going on was what we doing? And so there's that. Of course I did that. course, the pitch was crazy. Like, since I think I'm pretty decent at it.

Does it change anything? Does it make anything happen? I don't know. I hope so. With the things that I shared in it, I believe it definitely is going to make the brain work a little bit, you know, if I don't think there's a decision that's been made, but say, if there was, it's going to make you. think twice about it, you know.

And so, that's that. And today, according to front office sports, multiple Western Commerce Executive expect LeBron James will sign with the Warriors over the Cavaliers. Wow. Joe, who's saying that, Joe? Hey, yeah, I think I heard you order that or something. You may say it something like that.

All things being equal, Joe. all things being equal, the Warriors make more sense than anybody. Because when LeBron James won championships, what did what was he surrounded by? Shooters. Yeah. Battye, Rio, uh, uh, Mike Miller. Mike Miller, Kyle Corver.

Yeah. J.R. Smith. Yeah. Guys that. Danny Green. Carwell Pope. Yeah. Guys that can knock down open shots.

Who can knock down better open shots than one, Stefan, Wardell, excuse me, Wardell, Stephen Curry. That gets one person. But let me tell you, Tom, let me tell you something about the heat. Oh, here he go. Got Wiggins, right? Yeah, yeah. You know he's 40% from three, huh?

Yeah, yeah. Would you rather take, I tell you what, Ocho. Would you rather take Wiggins 40% from three? Let me finish. Okay. We got Tim Hardaway, Jr. Yeah. Another shooter.

Yeah. Yeah. And we got Young Bull. We got Young Bull. Huh? Davy on Mitchell? Well, no, he's the point, ain't he? Yeah, he can shoot, though.

I mean, he's okay. He ain't great. We got somebody else coming, though. Oh, you got Clay Thompson coming, huh? Yeah. Yeah, Joe, y'all listen to me not when I'm talking, man. You know, people be he-he and ha-ha and thinking I'm lying, and I've been right off all year long.

Yeah. We've got about Ray Allen and Ocho. I mean, Joe, Joe and Ocho. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, in Miami. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shooters. That's when he thrives at his best.

He won't shooters around him because he knows the double team's going to come. And guess what? The double team doesn't come because they're attached to those shooters. Now he can get downhill more freely. Kevin Love revamped his game to become what? A shooter. People don't realize Kevin Love was 24 and 12. Every night.

I don't think people realize just how great Kevin Love was. He was on a Hall of Fame trajectory with no championships in Minnesota. but he was 24 and 12. Every night. Kevin Love was getting 30 points and 20 rebounds. Every night. Kevin Love was him. He revamped this game because he realized that was what's best for the team.

Very, very, very unselfish. Yeah. Hey, you got a great point on when he's surrounded by those shooters. It makes everybody stay home. Yeah. And it opens up the floor for him to be able to operate. navigate and score make plays post up and that's how you control the game especially in the postseason when the game starts to slow down a little bit

uncle Ocho and you like look boom we got to get some good we had two three possessions dead possessions to where we hadn't got anything shit chat you mean tell me boy you put him and that boy Wardell on the same team huh hey y'all saw you saw at the Olympics y'all saw it hey hey hey hey hey you see it I ain't gonna lie. I'm gonna work for the Tony Baker. You say you see it. Okay.

Hey, Ojo. What's up? I ain't gonna leave y'all out because it's still a few teams I like. It's the scenarios I've been here. Yeah. Him, him, obviously going to Miami, I just think it's kind of plug and play. He'll look good, South Beach, great weather year round. I mean, damn, you can't beat that for real, for real.

You know what I mean? But the rumblings I've been hearing about trading for car. him going back to Cleveland with Kyrie. I ain't gonna lie, I kinda like that. I like that. Oh, but that's a whole different argument. Because obviously him and Kyrie works better than him and James Hardin.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I just, I like it. It sound good to me, man. I wanna see it. But how, how, what's the probability? What's the likelihood of that happening? Well, I mean, right now it's rummless, but hell, it's gotta come from somewhere.

Yeah, my, I'm rumbling too, my stomach, Island, Carl Homley. Dr. Rumbling out here. Hey, you have all these rumblings. You have all these situations that people are speculating that can happen when nobody really knows. Nobody really knows outside of LeBron, Rich Paul, you know, their immediate circle where they know. Yes, for sure.

And me, I already know how they're thinking. I know how LeBron is. He's methodical. He's strategic. He's always two and three steps ahead. He has everybody waiting. How many more opportunities in life as a basketball player isn't going to have these moments where he has the power?

He has the- He got one to two years. Huh? He got one to two years to play. He's not playing more than two years. Maybe this is his last year. Yeah. You know, look, he doesn't have very many opportunities.

42 and 43-year-old as the second, the third best player on the team, you don't normally win championship with those. Has anybody ever looked, Kareem was this old when he played because you got to realize Kareem back then. You didn't come out early. You played. Freshman didn't get an opportunity to play.

So Kareem came out of school. He was already 21, 22. So by the time he plays 20 years, he's 42 years of age. That's the difference. LeBron comes out of high, straight out of high school. He's 18. He turns 19 in December, but he's 18. So that's why he plays 24 at 42.

Kareem played 20 years at 42. But the likelihood of those guys playing that length of time, It's not very likely. It's not. And Kareem was finals MVP in 1985. Like I said, Kareem don't get enough credit. Y'all need to go look at Kareem numbers in the 80 championship.

Magic one final's MVP, but look at Kareem numbers. Go look at Kareem numbers. I don't, I need y'all to see Kareem, you're like, hold on. And you're probably saying, well, damn, imagine one final of MVP? Yeah, because of that 42, 15, and seven game that had in game six where he played all five positions, he jumped center.

Go back and look at Kareem numbers. Chat, do me a favor. Go look at Kareem numbers in the finals in 1980 against the Sixers. And you tell me the guy that puts up those numbers right now that wouldn't be finals MVP. Go look at me at 85 because they lost the first game. They got blown out. They say it's over for Kareem.

He's slow. He old. Boston 148, 114. It's known as the Memorial Day Massacre. Kareemina, final's MVP. Hey, you can say what you want.

I know we talked to Rich yesterday and he said that they were in uncharted waters, meaning, you know, he was saying how it's still a blessing that LeBron still has a chance to kind of pick and choose where he can and can't go or where he can't go. So, man, listen,

I think LeBron is going to be fueled by this, Uncle Ocho, considering the fact that he's going to go somewhere where he at least has a damn chance to win a title. Yes. You know what I mean? And I'm not saying if he don't win a title,

it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, is, it's a, is, it's a, is, it's a for one. Yeah. Yeah. Joe, I give you a prime example. Everybody's talking about don't nobody won't, you do realize that when Tom Brady was a free agent, there are a lot of teams that said no, Ocho. People don't realize that there are a lot of teams that said no.

Yeah. So at that question. And they said, well, you know, nobody wants LeBron. The Thunder don't want him. So why didn't, why didn't, why didn't, uh, um, why didn't, uh, Kansas City? Why didn't, why didn't, why didn't, why didn't, why didn't the other team with top five quarterback? So you said, okay, C don't want him.

Look what okay. C got. You said, you say, San Antonio don't want him. You said, you say all these teams, but Tom Brady went through the exact same thing. Yeah. Tom Brady strategically. He went to a team that what did they have, Ocho. They had two guys that had just come up to Pro Bowl.

Defense. and a hell of a defense. They had an outstanding defense and two wide receivers that just came out to Pro Bowl that were starting to get into their prime. They had one piece missing too.

The quarterback. Before that season, was the James 30 and 30, if I'm not mistaken. 30 and 30. James threw for 5,000 yards. All he had to do was not turn the ball over. They knew if they got somebody

that could take care of the football, they had a team that could get to and win the Super Bowl. And that's what Tom Brady brought him. Besides the credibility factor, he brought the ability to take care of the football. It's hard to win a championship when you turn the football over. I don't give a damn how good you are offensively or how good you are defensively. You turn that ball over, you will get your ass beat.

Every time. It's the same thing. Joe, San Antonio, what cost them games? Turnovers late in games. That's what cost them. the costly turnover. You got the ball, you're up one, and all of a sudden you pass the ball

and what you call them, and Castle's not looking. They get the ball you file a Brunson. You turn the ball over. You can't do that. But the mere fact, it's hard for me to look. Do I believe there's some teams that would take LeBron just to sell tickets?

Yes, but he knows that's the only reason. You don't want to, at this point, you'll get at this point, So LeBron James have been playing for championships probably since about year five. Yeah. So now here I am going to, so for the last 19 years, for the last 18 years, I've been playing for a championship. Now you want this to be my last year or one of my last year and you say, you know what, don't worry about a championship. Make it make sense.

You think Tom Brady was going to go somewhere that didn't give him a chance to championship? The same thing with Peyton Manning. There are a lot of teams that didn't want Peyton. Make out the hell of him, bro. You coming off this serious injury? You missed the last year. Payton couldn't throw them all 10 yards. We didn't want to throw them all 10 yards.

Ask him he tell you. But guess what he went to Denver? Guess what Denver had, Ocho? An outstanding defense is some young one receivers. Crazy demerius Thomas, rest your soul. Julius Thomas tied in. They had Eric Decker wide receiver. They had Brandon Stokely, slot machine.

They had no Sean Marino running back. They get Vasquez. They had an office attack. They have Ryan Clay, that offensive tackle. One of the best tackles. He's coming off an injury. One of the best tackles in the game. And then you have a young Vaughn Miller.

And then John just started putting pieces. Now he goes out and get a key. They drafted Bradley Robey. They get T.J. You know what? Dallas say, man, we don't need you no more DeMarcus. Johnson, we need you. Come on over here.

Now you got DeMarcus on one side. You got Vaughn on the other. Other side. You drive Malik Jackson. You drive D. Wolf. You got Trevay thought and Marshall. Okay. Oh, boy.

Oh, Nellet. You got to. A quarterback. We don't need much. Yeah. We don't need much. Look, there is no guarantee. Look, you see guys late in their career.

You look at, I mean, Peyton came one year. He led the league in touchdown pass. The next year lead the league in touchdown passes was an MVP. Patent, uh, Tom. goes first year there win the Super Bowl out in the box. Throws for 5,000. One of the three or four best passing game, most fourth or fifth most

passing yards. In NFL history, ain't no guarantee. Everybody wants to go out on top. Man, they ain't no guarantee. Everybody wants a Michael Strayhand. Everybody wants a John Elway. Everybody wants a Peyton Manning. Everybody wants to Jerome Bettis. Jerome Bettis last game was in Detroit. Where is Jerome Bettas from? Detroit. They parked the bus. They parked the bus in the garage. You're home now, son. Get off.

It don't work like that. But every story that you got a stray hand or L.A. or Peyton or Jerome Bettis, a lot of times. Look, that's Hollywood. See, Hollywood, you can control it because you can write a script that has for happy ever after.

It'll be end. Not in pro sports. Not in pro sports. but I do think I think Brian he'll definitely get to go out on his own terms or okay even though you know he's playing up in his 40s he won't be a guy who'll be sitting around

you know trying to see if he's going to be able to play his last some odd year he probably gonna play another he probably gonna play two more years I give him two more years on you give him 24 25 yeah I give him to 25 well he ain't got no choice but to play for minimum

I mean I just can't I know he's valuable, but I can't play a 42 year. I just can't, Joe. I can't pay a 42-year-old, 40 million, 50 million. And that's what's going to drive him to greatness again. You know what I mean? Because he knows and understands he's against all odds. He knows everybody has counting him out.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like this, he's still, I think that's probably one of the most interesting things about him because he stays motivated throughout this whole entire career, bro. He's over exceeded expectations and he's still, this man got all the points in the damn world and he's still out here, you know, just adding to it. Like for me, for a guy to continue to go that long,

bro, you have to love and enjoy what you do. You have to love the game. And you love... Look at Tom. He's still, he never forgot. I'm a sixth round draft pick. All these quarterbacks, the Spurgeon wins and all these.

guys that they took before me to draw bro how could y'all do that so i'm going to make y'all pay he still felt even after the super bowls he still felt that he didn't get the credit and the respect that he deserved so guess what i'm going to keep playing i'm going keep playing i'm going keep playing and i'm going to beat you um lebron came in hyped i think it's harder for what lebron did look and but i'm saying i'm not saying win i'm just saying the career because when you come in as a six-round draft pick, Ocho, there ain't no expectations. Right.

You're basically you a camp body. You there, so the starting quarterbacks, the first and second street quarterback, Ocho, don't throw out their arms. That's why they got you there. That's what your job builds, Ocho, Joe. So the Stu started,

the guy that you're going into the season with, they don't blow out their arms. So we need, that's why they bring five, six quarterbacks in there. So your quarterbacks don't throw out their arms. When you're the number one overall draft pick and you're on the cover of sports Illustrated as a 17 year old and they got chosen one.

It's like Gretzky when they called him the great one. Do you know how much pressure when they call you the great one? Hey, and the ones who, when they count, they say this man, Air. Now he was the third rob, but they don't start giving the man. Nick, they're just like Air Jordan. Now of a sudden you got one name. Colby, Mike, Shack, Braun, Stehap.

Katie got initials. Manning, Brady. Bro. Ocho. Did you get to that level? Huh? Ocho, yeah. That's what it is Ocho?

Not Ocho single, just Ocho? Yeah, the five, yeah, the five gone. Hey, what's your lady's called you Chad, don't they? You know, you know what's funny? Uh. Yeah, she said Chad. Everywhere I go, everybody say Ocho. They don't even say the five.

I ain't heard Chad from nobody else in a very long time. I know just your lady called you. Chad, Chad. Yeah, yeah, call me Ocho. They say even my kids, my kids,

they say Ocho. Your kids call you Ocho? Yeah, they either say dad or say, hell now, my kids. Hold on. Hey, they say dad when they're for the ask for money. Oh, yeah, Daddy, Daddy. Daddy.

Daddy. Regular conversation, they say Ocho. No, my two younger kids call me dad. My oldest called me. Daddy. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, yeah, yeah, they better not call me by my damn name. That would disrespect when I were coming up. Oh, no. Well, you could, but I had some, I had some cousins that called their parents by their first name. Oh, no, sir. Man, my grandfather, but you, my, boy, I couldn't imagine calling my mama Mary. Oh, no. No. I couldn't imagine. I couldn't

imagine calling my bad, please. No. My kid called me daddy. Absolutely not. No, no, no, no, no. That is very no, no, no, sir. That's a whole different, you couldn't be disrespectful to your parents in front of all the other older elderly people. Right.

They would check you if your parents didn't. Yeah. But I, hey, as y'all heard my brother talk, that was Barty Porter wouldn't go for that. Yeah. Hey, hey, man, that dude would hurt somebody for real. Hey, oh Joe. Yo.

I'm dad at all my kid. They always want something. Hey, hey, my little foyo, he coming in here. Hey, Daddy, can you give me some more Roblox? I need some. Oh, my goodness. Yours on the Roblox, too? Oh, Joe, he made me play it with him too, bro.

Hey, man, this is a little French fry. A little French fry in the Roblox? Y'all, man. Boy, listen. Hey. Hey, she didn't make me play with her, because she got so many sisters that can play. But a, a, Roblox.

I don't know tell how much I'll spend on roadblocks. Man, okay, Ocho, my grown ass, I'll be playing roadblocks. I had my microphone on one day. You know, it ain't nothing but a little bit of kids, five, six, seven years old. Yeah. And they can hear me talking. They was like, oh, a grown man is in here. I was like, oh, I forgot.

Hey, hey, hey, yeah, my little one boy, he gonna make me, he's a dad, where's your iPad? Come on, join me, join me, join me. God, man. If you want to make a lot of money, find something that kids like. Because guess what? If the kids like it, guess what the parents got to do?

Take them or buy it for them. And normally, like an animation. That's why animation does so well. So not only the kids go with what, the parents got to go with them. Mm-hmm. Yeah, because they got the damn, the new minions just came out, man.

Hell, we got to go see that. Hey, it came out July 1st. Oh, man. Minions, a toy story. Uh, what the rock movie, uh, uh, uh, the rock movie is out. Yeah. Oh man, some good days, boy. Hey, I wouldn't change it for the.

Moana. Yeah, Mwana. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They got a new one? Yes. Yeah, we want to see. Hey, man, I love some animation. I used to be animation by myself.

Yeah. Hey, hey, oh, me too. That's why I don't mind going. Hell, I can't wait. Hey, I go sit there by my, I be in, I be in, I be in there by myself. I go like at 2 o'clock on a Wednesday. Yeah. All right.

I tell you what. Because you had, you got to be careful. You had a big grown-ass man sitting in the movie with a bunch of kids. People think you're purred. Yeah. So I go, I go with that little badass in school.

Because they're going to be talking the whole time. Yeah. Yeah. You got to watch the movie. You got to watch the movie. Bad them kids are they're down that movie. They were free. They're thinking about that damn movie.

Whenever Shrek come out, Joe. Yeah. I'm talking about the first threat, the second and the third. I'm first winning line. Oh, yeah. First winning line. They need to do a donkey. They need to do a donkey.

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Yes, Lord Farquah. Man, I thought Lord Farquo was tall and hell he hopped off that horse. According to Stefan Bondi, the heat are an option to sign Russell Westbrook, but only if LeBron doesn't come to my accent.

Hey me, Ocho. How do you feel about Russ being your second option if you don't sign Bron Bron. I mean, listen, Russell Westbrook, as a spark, probably, I'm assuming coming off the bench will be great as energy. Obviously, it is infectious. It would be good for the heat culture. He exemplifies it just what that culture is all about, working hard, playing hard, putting your hard hat, putting your construction hat on and going at it every day and giving it everything you have. he has that that is someone that he that that he's always been and he was fit well in that culture i love west brooks work ethic uncle ocho i just don't know honestly because if brun

don't go there then you're going to get a whole heavy dose of yonis handling the basketball with bam yep and i just don't see i mean obviously i think westbrook could fit because he plays hard he takes the game series he's a hall of famer he i mean he a hell of a player but playing off ball is the biggest thing that concerns me man i'll be honest with you you know what i mean i know he's gonna play the right way he's gonna be a high cis guy he's gonna take care of the ball uh but i don't think i think you know how it is like some guys playing with brun is tough for them play with brun i think that's the same way with yonis i think it's gonna i think it's some challenges that that they're all so damn much yeah that's what i'm saying i think it's some challenging

is that's going to come with playing with yonnas too and it ain't going to be as easy and smooth transition if you ain't no good catching shoe guy right you know what i'm saying i know westbrook can make a damn shot but they ain't his forte his forte is having that ball getting down here running pick and roll making plays and i don't i don't know what that's going to look like i agree joe that's why cowell corb had success mike miller had success right alleyland had success So you look at Ray Allen is Ray Allen. Ray Allen is a Hall of Famer, whether he played with LeBron or not.

But at that point, at that point of his career, he was more of a shooter. Ray used to handle the ball when he was in Milwaukee, when he was in Seattle. Y'all would go back and check Ray stats. Y'all look at him and talk about,

oh, just what he did. Ray played both ends of the court. Ray Allen was like that. Hey, hey, Ray was in that classic 96 draft class with AI, Stefan, Marbury, and Cobb and all those guys. Yeah. He is,

one of those guys I enjoy watching coming up as a youngster bro and then competing against him uncle Ocho I'm talking about I competed against him when he was in Milwaukee when he was cold-blooded but when he got to Seattle and when I was in Phoenix and we were the number one team that year they were the number two team in the West day year ray the average 26 27 a night I'm talking about getting good money every night Ocho you know what you were going to get from him right right oh yeah yeah now right right yeah now right I think you're you're going to get boy now yeah I think I think that sometimes, Joe, sometimes a lot of people see the tail end of somebody's career. And, you know, I think it's the same thing with Barclay.

I think a lot of people's looking at Barclay, like, man, he, he, all at 14 points and level. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Y'all better go back and look at Barkley, Barclay career when he was in Philly, when he was in Phoenix. In Phoenix, yeah. Go back and look at the career. Now, Barkley's like 22 and 11 at 6'4. There will never be another 6'4 guy lead-to-league in rebounding, ever. Ever.

And I don't like saying ever because that, but there'll never be another six four. Think about it. That's the, he'd hide an ant man. And he led the league and rebounding. When they had a king, they had,

they had big bigs. You know what? Kareen, Shaq, not Kareem, I mean, yeah, Kareen, Patrick Ewan, Hakeem Elijah won. They had big,

you know back then in the 80s, Joe, everybody had bigs. Big big big Mackell parish everybody had those guys. Hey, but the difference is it's not only the talent, but it was the way Barclay approached the game, Uncle Ocho, like he didn't give a damn bro. Like that man were trying to, you know what I mean? Like, so he just ain't got,

he had no love for you, you know, when you got out there, bro. Like he wanted to, he was gonna compete at the highest level and he wanted to win, he wanted to dominate and he wanted to do it. it in dramatic fashion bro you ain't gonna see that no more and the game has changed you can see no damn six four six five dude dominating up under the goal like that hell zion probably be the closest thing to that absolutely i told his ian like barclay high they got barkler listening at six six barclay no damn six yeah that's i am probably about zaya about six six though yeah he's six six I'm talking about a dog.

Yeah, but he was a, Barkler was, Barkler was an animal. And you got to think about, look at what he's competing against. He playing getting real big, boy. Yes. Yeah. I'm talking about big, big, bigs.

I mean, he's going up against C Webb. He's going up against, I mean, real powerful, Kevin McHale, call him alone, 6, 8, 610. Big boys. Yeah, everybody, everybody played four to five back then, Ocho. Everybody played a four to five. It wasn't no stretch this and small, wasn't no lineup of death.

Everybody had a big. And when you take one big out, you brought another one big in. You took his ass out, you brought another big in. You just keep coming big, big, you play big with a bigger. Barkling was an animal.

And I think, like I said, people that got used to, they see him talk because most people, more people saw him talk inside the NBA on TNT, now on ESPN, and they like he do all this talking he was okay he wasn't that good hello oh yes he was they tripping now he was a monster he was a dog he's talking about the top 50 player he's a top he's a top he's a top 75 player he'll be a top 100 player he'll be a top 125 player 1 50 he'll always be a top

player I don't give a damn who comes along he's talking about hey a y'all y'all talking about the intimidator fact the intimidation factor that you bring you're trying to intimidate you moving man yeah that's that's how Barclay played bro that he didn't that intimidation factor yeah that's how he played yeah yeah yeah he was trying to yell out of somebody remember when him and shack got at it went out of huh yeah and he hit Shaq in the head with the ball yeah yeah that was funny oh dealing with Charles Oakley oh yeah and you know hey you know that those Xavier McDaniel boy they had they had some head hunters back then yeah yeah hey they're And then just fight it to drop of a hat.

What? You filed me too hard then. They were just, they're just looking for a reason. But that was a regular file. Ah, now you filed me too hard. You had to put your set up back then, boy.

Oh, yeah, they didn't knock hell out you. Oh, yeah. They didn't do a whole, it wasn't a whole lot of talking. It wasn't no talking back then, man. It was a stranger. I got to get a grip on this.

Yeah. And it was even. even worse in the 70s. And where they had Boris Lucas and Kermit Washington they had real, real enforcers back then. And then it just picked up in the 80s where they had ex-man, they had Oak, Barclay was his own enforcer,

Carl Malone. Yeah. Oh yeah, man, they had, Kevin McHale, hey, don't sleep on Danny Ains. Danny Ayd, we filed the hell out of people. Yeah, yeah. Man, you remember he threw the ball? Who he hit in the face with that basketball?

Mario Elling. Joe, you remember he threw the ball and hit Mario Elling, part blank? Who is this? Danny Aynne. When they played against him in the playoffs? Yes, he took the ball out and threw, I'm talking about the, he from me,

he was from me to this, this tell him, this monitor. Yeah. And hit him in the ball, hit him in the face with the ball. As hard as he could. I'm talking about like, chat, y'all remember that? Dennis Rodman. I mean, they had, boy, look at the band boy, Pierce's with Rodman and Sal and Lambert and Rick Mahorn.

Man, you know, I play with Dan Marlon. like his last two years in the NBA. Oh, did you? Yeah, in Phoenix. In Phoenix, boy, they loved my damn Phoenix. But y'all better go look at that. They're talking about here. He didn't mean to do that.

Boy, I'd still be with it on Danny A.J. Yeah, yeah, y'all pull that up. Go look at that on, go. Joe, pull that up right quick. That man did that on purpose. I know. It was different back then, bro. Nah, it sure would have been different.

Man, look here. Jim Hardaway Senior says he has an issue with players podcasting during the NBA season. During the season like Draymond, I don't agree with. It's all right to them, but I feel like you're disrespecting these other teams. You're talking about these teams, you know, and Adam Silver just let it go. David Stern would have said, hell no, we're not doing that. If you talked about a team in the media, like I say, their trade or something like that, you would have gotten fined by David Stern.

He would have fired you. You don't talk about anybody else's team. You talk about your team, your organization, that's it. Josh Hart trolled him to tell him, I agree. Joe, do you agree with Tim Hardaway Senior that they should not be, you know, having podcasts during the season? Man, I can't sit here and say whether you should or shouldn't. Oh, Joe, if you're a competitor, if you're competing,

if you're playing a professional sport. I guess it's all about how you handle it. You know what I mean? You know, I mean, you got some guys. See, here's the thing. It's like if you pard and you playing well, all everything all fine and dandy. Correct.

But hell, if you pard and y'all getting your damn game, man, please, them folk are going to be looking at you crazy. Yes. And that's how I go. And then when you win, your podcast is weekly. All of a sudden, you go on a loser street and they don't see your ass for a month straight.

Then what happened? Because people want consistency. Their favorite show came on what? Once a week. Right. That's what you knew, you knew the Severnison, the Jefferson Good Time. You knew whatever your favorite show is,

whether it's friends or everybody loves Raymond or two and a half men, whatever the case may be. I'm just giving you an example. Your favorite sitcom, you knew it was coming on. that's what people like. Yeah. But when things are going good, you averaging this and you, y'all winning,

you up there, yeah, yeah, yeah, y'all, and then all of a sudden, y'all go a cold spatch and all of a sudden, the podcast, where the podcast? Yeah. Hey, hey, consistency is the key. Me, I, I don't, I wouldn't, because I already know how I am.

I don't be, I don't be able to say something that I probably shouldn't say. So I was going, I was going to catch you. I'm going to catch you in the game. because you know, you know, them wins and losses, Uncle Ocho, they had you so damn emotional, bro. Yes. You know, I'm saying from a win, you can be emotional

and from a loss, you know, it can have you to wear here. You ain't want no damn body to be around you. I don't know about child, but I should be like that sometime, man. You already know how I am, Joe. Yeah. I ain't no secret. I ain't an easy mofool to get a long win when we win. Right.

I'm insufferable. I'm intolerable when we lose. Yeah. Oh, man. All that workout I'm put in, and we lose it? And you know, Ocho, I don't know how it was, but you Joe, how it is in basketball. You know when you losing, Ocho,

everything is the problem. Man, get off your helmet. I was sitting on my helmet when we won seven games in a row. That wasn't the reason we was winning when I was sitting on my helmet. Now that's the reason we losing. Man, clean up this damn locker room. The locker room was dirty when we were winning.

Everything, everything. Put your mild piece in. I don't even play one of a mile piece. You're talking about putting a mile piece. mile piece in. Oh yeah, yeah, hey, hey, everything is the reason why you lose it, Joe. Everything is magnified when you lose and, hey, tuck your damn shirt in when you're going in the game.

Yeah, damn, they were hanging out last game. Yeah, I get it, bro. You know how it is? And that's why you got to, that's why you kind of got to, you know, you kind of got to walk that straight and narrow, bro. Even when you win and lose. That's why I'm going to be honest with y'all, that's why I always kept an even kill because I never wanted to show my emotions.

Even when I was pissed off, you know, I should have to. restrain myself and control my emotions I always was that kind of guy and even when I was at my peak where I was playing well we winning oh I just I always kept an even kill because I understood if it was going great how bad it could be yeah you know I went from I came from Phoenix we had won 62 63 games a year coming to Atlanta bro we won 29 games on the Ocho we started off three in like 28 like bro you are look if you start the season like that you were already out the damn playoff pitch of damn what the hell we're playing for but we still getting our damn check on the first and 15 here hey joe ain't like you about to go 29 and

three come on man keep it 100 damn we ain't gonna be in the postseason here we know that before thanksgiving got here here damn yeah yeah yeah yeah that's the thing look I was I'm a clean I'm a cleanly person I hate to see a locker room oh Joe how to do you right here you write me from me to this monitor chat yeah and you You throw your job, you throw your clothes. Man, put the thing in the bag, man. Damn, bro. And the dude will be right there.

He right, to his locker right next to the laundry hamper. He throws it on the floor. Yeah, yeah. Come on, man, come on. I know y'all. And then y'all, hey, Sharpe, you want to come over to? No, your house dirty. I already know if your locker dirty, your house dirty.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. I said, boy, I wouldn't eat at your house if I was a hostage. Starved me out. I don't know. Yeah. But I used to bad. They used to be baby.

I was like, hold on, bro. How is the reason why we lose it? None of the things that we're doing was the reason why we winning. Right. These are the reason why it was because we're executing. That's why you said, hey, look at this play right here. Look at the hustle play. All of a sudden we're losing.

We don't have the same hustle. We don't have the same attention to detail. We're turning the ball over at a high clip than what we were when we were winning. it ain't that complicated. You really not. Yeah, I'm insuperable. You know, hey, now when we started losing the guys, hey, ain't taking it serious.

They're dropping past. They're not playing attention to the detail. Bro, that ain't what you're supposed to be doing. Right. What that card say. Now, see, when I come up here on Tuesday and you got, hey, you, hey, Shaw, hey, man, I see you around. You dabbing me up, cut and getting your ass up out of here.

And you were talking about they did your wrong. But you ain't doing what the card say. The card say you're supposed to. to be in the flat. The car said you're supposed to be in the hook. The cars say you're supposed to carry up the scene. But you're doing your own thing. Okay. Now when I come up here to work out on Tuesday and you got your bag, you got your bag, that hefty bag on your throat across your shoulder. Yeah. Don't be mad. Don't be mad. Understand it. Hey, man, shawap, I, I see you around. No, you won't. No, you won't. Because what I tried to tell you, you ain't want to listen to me.

Yeah. I'm just trying to tell you keep, to try to keep, hey, as long as you can stay on the team, the better chances are you're going to get an opportunity to play, Ocho. You can't play for a team if you're not on one. Yeah. Now, you can go back and tell your home boys

and everybody that they screwed over you, but you're not going to really tell them. Go to ask, man, what was a second? Hey, here, hey, I got a little couple of clips, practice clips. Take a look at this. They take a little bit. See?

Hey, they tape don't lie. No. I'm telling like Bill Davis, Bill Davis say, look, hey, I'm going to have to cut a lot of y'all. He said, I know what you're going to do. You're going to go home and tear your parents, coach effed over me. And when you come, they come in here, I'm going to pop the tape in. I'm going to say, see, he effing over me.

That ain't what he's supposed to be doing. But you know how, look, Ocho, you got the homeboy. You go back and they ask you, hey, hey, Ocho, tell him what your boy good, Ocho. Well, you boy, where your boy like that, Ocho? Joe, tell me your boy, tell me your boy could have went to college like you. Sure, he could have witnessed college like me. He could have been in the league just like me. Hey, ain't, ain't no sense of Ocho.

Ain't no sense to me. Yeah, you're right. Hey, man, he was good. Now he was good. Some of them, yeah, they were good. Some of them, bro, stop. Bro, you quit school in the third grade. How the hell you're going to be?

I don't know what you could have been. Hey, everybody got a story. Hey, we come by on the bus and you're shooting marbles in the yard. How the hell you're going to go to high school? You're shooting marbles in the yard in the fourth grade. Yeah, yeah. I'm on the bus.

But you know what? Now we 30, 35 years of age, Joe. Let them have a moment. You're right. Yeah. You're right. You've heard the chaos. Now you can see it.

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for not being all the way heat. You wasn't heat all the way heat. You were outside of the heat culture. For Bam to be your guy and you say that about him, that's not cool. Bam handled it the right way he thought was best for him. I was disappointed in Tyler too. I didn't like what he said about,

and how he said it? Joe, they have a thing they asked who do you think on the heat team would have your back? Tyler Hero said, bam. So why he say that about him then? Hey, listen.

Don't start, look, I don't start me lying, Joe. Two things can be true, huh? If asked that question, the one person you want to have your back, obviously anybody playing for the heat, you would say bam. But then also, you can also feel that way about bam when he said what he said in the DM.

Yes. But you, ain't no way if somebody, you think somebody will have your back, Ocho, you're going to talk about him like that now. Right. Because guess what? You said that before you,

now had you said, had you said, hey, X, Y, and Z, you probably wouldn't say, but here's the thing. He probably didn't think that nothing was going to come over. I don't know why, Ocho. I don't know why.

Right. Certain teams favor certain players. That's just the way it is. Tyler Hero makes it seem like he don't know how sports work, Joe. Some teams favor some players over others. It's okay. Some parents favor some kids over others.

It's okay. They talk about I love all my kids. No, you don't. You don't love them all the same. You don't love them all the same, but you damn show don't treat them all the same. Right. And kids, no.

Hey, hey, hey. It's really that simple. Yeah, yeah. I don't know anything about Tyler Hero. Senior is down there. He probably knows he's probably have intimate knowledge, more intimate knowledge than what we have. So I got to take, I don't know.

I don't know anything about it. I know obviously what the heat culture is. You play hard, you do what you're supposed to do. We play with the ball game. You play the right way. So I get that. I just thought Pat Riley was just fed up in the country. Every year he hurt.

at some point time during the season Joe he hurt yeah he hurt but I think he still had a little value to oh Joe that's why they traded me yeah that's why you that's why you're able to get rid of you know they hey look you you talk about guys being traded but you have to have somebody somebody else who had who wants you for you to be traded you know what I mean so yeah I think he had a little value to him uh but I just I'm I'm I'm with I'm with Tim Hardaway senior bro I don't I don't like, I don't like when guys go to different teams, bro, then they start talking about the team, the last guys on the other team, man, leave that long,

boy, new chapter, homie. Move on, bro, let it go. Let it go. Because look, cause you see, you see what happened. You start sending these shots. Hey, you ain't hard to find, partner. Hey, you see what happened? Hey, Ocho, you see what happened when you throw a shot out there?

Yeah. You're vulnerable for what? A shot coming back. Yes, sir. Literally, he threw a shot figuratively. Bam threw one literally. Look, over the last five or six, over the last five or six years,

when they talk about trade players, the one name that's never, that's ever, that's untouchable, have been who? Bam, bam, bam, yeah. Bro, they had a chance to get James Hardin, but they wouldn't give up Tyler Hero. Hell, I gave up Guitar Hero, Tyler Hero, or any other hero to get James Hardin.

They still might have a chance to get him though. They still might. But you have to understand, bro, hey, six nine guys that can play both ends of the court, they don't grow on trees. What? That's unselfish that plays the right way. They don't grow on trees.

Can defend, play both ends of the court. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely right. Mind his own business. Pat Riley and Mick Erison, I think his son's name Nick Ocho, you would know better than me.

They ain't worried about Bam being in the blotter. They ain't worried about Bam being out of the club. They ain't heard about Bam doing none of that. Hello. Hello. So, and I'm not saying, so I don't want chat because y'all, y'all are trying to twist it.

I'm not saying Tile Hero was doing anything of that sort. I'm just saying that when they put that, when Bam was in order to captain, he's to carry this. Because you got to have somebody to carry. I think the problem was that they had in New England on show the key culture. Even though Mayo was there, who could carry that?

They say, you know what? Let's bring a guy in that was a part of that. That was really, really entrenched. You see when they got back to, Mike Braybill? You see how they play? You see how they do things? Even when Stefan Diggs had that situation on the boat, Brayson, Kimmer, let me hollet you right quick,

young buck. I hollage your boy right quick. Yeah. Hey, step into my office. He said, Coach, I thought your office was upstairs. He said, nah, I moved it over here. Probably Berkeley. That is what we do here.

Yeah. We play football here. Now, that's not what you want to do. We can make that happen too. But when you hear, it's football all the time. That's your life. You folk. So what are you?

you're a model? You're a fashion influencer? Or you're a football player? Now, if we take football away, which one you think you're going to be? A lot of times, guys, people forget the main thing is the main thing. Hello.

Hello. You can never forget. Oh, I do podcast. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. How many people, if you weren't in the NBA, if you weren't in the NFL, how many people you think are going to be watching? You got to keep the main thing, the main thing.

Mm-hmm. Don't lose sight of that, guys. I understand you want to have a lot. Some teams will allow you to have a life. New England ain't one of those places. Yeah, no. Hey, you're here to play. Oh, Cho, you know first hand.

Hey, absolutely. Hey, hey, hey, hey, your ass here to play ball. We ain't trying to be out of that. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I was with Mike Shanahan. You know why you was there. And, hey, leave your ego at home.

They said, but check your ego at the door. Nah, because guess what? When I turn and leave, you might go back and get the ego if it's at the door. Nah, leave that thing at home. Hey, but that's kind of what the game coming down to, okay, Ocho. You know, all these players,

especially top guys, you know, the main guys, the star players, the megastars, man, they all got a platform, bro. Yeah. It's a little, it's not a little different, hell, it's a lot different, hell, just from 10 years ago.

Joe, you make it $60,70 million, and they say, you know what, hey, I want you to just focus on this right here. I don't think it's that hard. That's me. That's just me personally. And maybe because I took the, you took the game a lot like I took the game.

Ocho, Ocho going to be Ocho. You can't pay Ocho enough not to be Ocho. So you already know. He's going to ask of who. Hey, he gets in the end's on. You know, Ocho don't celebrate. Okay. I ain't going to celebrate.

As soon as he get close to the Ezo, they get him down into one yard like, he think he's going to celebrate. So you already know. Certain people, Certain people, like Ocho, it ain't about money to Ocho. Ocho, you got to let him be him. If you don't let him be him, you're not going to get the best of him.

Yeah. So if you let him be him, Ocho, as long as you're not hurting the team, take off. He can be Ocho. He couldn't be Ocho in New England because they suppressed who he was. Yeah. See, the thing what Ocho is, Ocho is an entertainer first.

he's a football player second. He's already thinking about, man, I get the answer to me. I got some booed up for y'all. I got some queued up. Y'all don't even know what I'm about to do now. Oh, yeah. But when you take that away from him

and you say just focus on football, why can I do? I've been focusing on football. Just because I'm having a good time doesn't mean I'm not focusing on football. Yeah. He was one of the few that if you let him be him outside of just the exes and nose,

you're going to get the best version of him. Yeah, yeah. But everybody can't thrive in that system. You've got to buy in 1,000%. It's hard. It's hard when you've been a place and they've allowed you to be you for a decade and then all of a sudden you go there

and overnight, I can't beat me. It is, bro. I know. It's like going, I've been eating meat my whole life. Now all of a sudden, you're talking about being vegan. What? Yeah, I'll eat peas, but they better have some fat back in them.

They better have some bacon. Yo, I would eat a salad, but they better have some bacon. They better have some bacon. They better have some, hey, they better have something on top of meat, some type of meat. Chicken, fish, I need something.

Beef, pork, I need something on top of these greens. Yeah. But you got to know, hey. Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, like, hey, 84 talk all you want to, except the Super Bowl, the first Super Bowl. As long as you don't cost us a penalty. I said, Mike, I can, hey, Mike, I can get a 15-yard penalty. Go ahead and get it 84.

That's what I start by talking. They go grab my face mask. They're going to shove me. See? Let me get that, Joy. No. See, I started talking on Joe and Joe. Yeah, yeah.

Brum. Personal foul, unsports were like conduct, defense. See? See dumb dumb? You just caught you, see dummy?

I knew you weren't that smart. I knew you weren't that smart. You've done your job, huh? Hey, you know what? If you had brains, you walked back. I knew it. I knew it.

You know what I said? Joe, I got to really get him. Boy, if dynamite was brain, You couldn't even blow your nose. Man, help you, sharp. Help you.

Bro, I'm just saying. Why would you do that? But don't worry about it. I show appreciate you to your 15 yards. Now y'all not fin to get the ball back, dumb, dumb. Hey. Oh, yeah. Tadda.

Now I go on off the field. I jogged off the field. Don't worry about it. I see you. You can see me right now. Right here in front of you. I hope you can see me. I don't know no blind NFL players.

You might be the first one. I know you might be the dumbest one. Because you know what I noticed, Ocho? It's not so much. You know what guys really get mad about? What's that? When you question their ability. Hmm.

Oh, you know you're really not that good, right? You know what I game plan was to go at you? Because we knew you suck. Hey, that would piss him off, young. That'd that'll piss him off. We knew you suck. Why you think we just run to your mom? side.

You're not that bright. You're going to get frustrated and you going to give us 15 yards. Oh, yeah. That's going to piss a guy off. Yeah. Exactly. I say, bro, I don't know what's going to happen, but I don't really see a scenario where you on this team next year.

I don't see how it's going to work out for you. As a matter of fact, you keep playing like this. You might not make it the next week. Oh Joe, that's type of talk you were telling them boy. I see, my talk was entertaining. Like, more of a fun way. Unk be going at people's head.

I would never like that. Never. No. I'm holding regular conversation, Joe. Leave me alone. I ain't bothered nobody, Joe. I ain't bothered nobody. Maybe a few people I'm bothered.

But, hey, but then when you try to, you take it, make it personal, how are we going to make it now? Yeah. You know, I know. you things, oh, she. I'd be laid in the cut. You know, hey, you know, hey, I, God bless me with the ability to play football.

He blessed me with the gift of gal. Oh, yeah. He gave me those two things. Hey, he didn't give me the most intellect. I had to catch her, but I had to catch up with that. Yeah, yeah. Told my brother, I called him, say, man, look here, you can't come back on no more.

You give it our information. Ain't nobody ask you all that stuff about me. Dry snitching ass. As a matter of fact, I'm gonna tell Libby, you told some stories. I said from the sounds of it, Libby ready to tell you, what? Oh yeah, yeah, oh man.

Shannon, you ain't got to tell everything. I said, Leibba ain't told nothing. I put it off on Spanky. Spanky put it off on me. But like you said, I was always the littlest one so that, you know, granted, he's just a little fella. It's okay.

Let me take it with you. My sister, eight, my sister, think about it. My sister, 20 years old, why she wanted to take a 12-year-old boy with her for? My brother dating. My grandma said, well, you can't,

hey, you don't want to take that boy? You ain't going. Guess who with the car, with the truck crank up? Guess who's sitting in the passenger seat? You? Do you make me sick? Then you always want to go somewhere.

You ain't got nothing to do? Hey, bro. Hey, look here. Grady to say you got to take me with. Take it up with Granny. You want me to do it on this? Man, drive the car. Hey, Joe, that was so sick of me.

But you know, I had the powers. I had the powers of Barney and Mary Porter. Yeah. You heard what you say, make him cry if you want to. Oh, yeah. The hell to pay. Yeah, yeah. And you know, hey, I can cry uncle, man.

Hey, what's wrong with that boy? Hey, nothing, nothing, Daddy. Nothing, Papa. You're something wrong with him, he cried. And he probably had that deep voice too, did he man. He had a, hey. Like a baritone, huh? Yes, yes, deep voice.

That's how he talked, hey. Come in the house, we be in the house, we be watching TV, hey, turn the TV to the news. I go turn the TV because it wasn't a remote control did, I go turn the TV to the news. All my aunts, they go into another room, my sister go another room. because we watching something he comes to my turn to the news so we get up it we

get up and everybody get up and leave all right all right bring your ass back turn it oh yeah you're able to come in here and do all that hey hey hey what y'all had back then y'all had like the box you remember the box the cable the actual cable no way in the country you couldn't get cable damn like I said you got you got PBS which was channel nine yeah got channel three You got channel 11 and you got channel 22, ABC, but you could barely get ABC, but you got NBC, CBS, and there was no Fox back then.

And you got Channel 9 so we could see Sesame Street and stuff like that. You had to work them antennas up there then. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. But we had the pole outside that you go turn. There is right there, ho, ho, ho, right there, right there, right there. You let the poll go, the TV go fuzzy again. Yeah.

Oh, hold it right there. You, that's it right there. You know, but be like I'm fooling the whole this TV, hold his pole right here. Hell, no, excuse me. No, that ain't been to happen. Yeah. Free agent, Stefan Digg, says he's the best wide receiver number two in the NFL and no one is better than him.

Name your number two receiver right now and is he better than me? Oh, Joe? If they're a number two receiver better than, there are a couple. I mean, yeah, it's a couple. Dallas got what, whoever you say is one, other two is better than step on. Cincinnati, whoever you say is one is better than him. Minnesota.

The Rams? The Rams. Hold on that. What he said, had true to it now. Yeah, I'm just saying as you go a team that their number two is better than him. Right, right. As you go a bit further and you get a little deeper into some of some of the some of these other teams.

Like he is, he would be a bona fide. Their number two is not better than him. Yeah, for sure. And he's right. Even coming off an ACL injury and having a thousand yards and I'm not sure how many touchdowns he has. Now, if they're going to use them, you take their number two and you put him in that place,

you're still going to get the same production based on what he's able to do. Hell, I think he'd be good in Baltimore. Hell, I'm not so sure what you call him is better than him. What did I say? What did I say he would go? Bimo. Give it a 10. Either Baltimore or the commanders.

I'm still standing on that too now. Hell, he'd be good in Cleveland. Hey, you know what? That's a good one. Might be even better. That's a good one. That's a good one. Yeah, I'm curious to hear what the chat has to say,

especially outside of Dallas, you know, Dallas, Cincinnati, Minnesota. Rams. Rams. Well, we have in Philly, I mean, limited. He's not proven yet, but he will be the number two. I'm trying to think who else. I mean, there's true to that. Yeah, but the thing is Joe, Ocho, and we talked about this.

Yes. Once you start bouncing around, it's hard for you. That's how people look at you now. Yeah. They look at him as a journeyman receiver, Ojo. Yeah. Yeah. Joe, you know how he does.

Once a player, all of a sudden, you start getting traded. What you, you're involved in the trade. And then you involved in a trade and you're involved in a trade. You're adjournment. Hey, but it's crazy, though, because he was a thousand-yard receiver last year, and I thought he played great for the Patriots, bro. Yes. Like, he was reliable and all that.

How to hear him? Hey, I mean, great team leader, too, Joe. Yes, I agree. I agree with both of you guys. But the thing is, is just how they view you now, Joe. You know, hey, think about it. He started in Minnesota. He went to Buffalo.

He goes to Houston. He goes to New England. And now this will be his 15. Mm-hmm. How old is Steph now? What you say, 32? How old is Steph Ash? I think you're probably 32, 33.

It got to be. Yeah, you know, it doesn't make any better with all the all field stuff. Because obviously- Yeah, you're talking about Detroit Lions. So you try to say he, oh, so whoever you say is what, if, so, Armid Ra is one, he better than J-mo? No, no, no, no, no, no, don't do that.

Who say that? And that's my bad for leaving Detroit off that list. Don't do that. No. Let me add them to the part two. Yeah, for sure. Come on, nah. Chicago good.

Green Bay good. Hey, them young bulls over there. Yeah. I guess when you think about it, he's 32-Ocho. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is he going to get picked up? Y'all think he's going to get picked up?

Yeah, oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I bet it's one of those two teams I just said, Joe watch. But what do you make 20? million last year, those days probably over. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he won't make bet minimum, long as they get him some respectable, give him some respectable based on what he's able to come in and do. Dorel Owens doesn't believe there will be any drop-off with

AJ Brown leaving the Eagles. I mean, they've got Devonte Smith. He's always been a number one guy even when AJ was here. He could have easily been the receiver number one at any game. So again, he's going to show leadership. He's going to bring those guys. alone so I don't see any drop-up. Those guys are going to be fine. Ocho, how are you taking this? T.O. is right. Tio understanding systems.

He understand the difference in the offensive schemes that Philly runs, the offensive scheme that the Patriots run. Hell, the patrons throw the ball, what, 100 times more? I mean, obviously, I'm exaggerating the number saying 100 times more, but they're throwing offense. You know, if you look at Philly having a running back like Seekwon, you can understand

why even in the past and error, that the NFL is now, they would be a run-first team. You're one of the few teams that have a back that is elite in a tier one running back where the offense flows to run. The run opens up the paths. Over there in New England, they're throwing that thing. Yeah, they throwing it for sure. They letting it fly.

And he's going to have a much better season, maybe even a better season than all those combined. Yeah. Philly. I can see that. I can see that. I can see that. I just think the thing you look

I think some of the things that he did in New England I mean in Philly he ain't trying that with Brable Now Brable knows him he knows Brable from their time in Tennessee So he knows how Brable is Brable knows how he is but I can assure you They're not going to have some of the issues that they had that he had in Philly they're not going to have that in New England Hello, right

You know T.O was very strong in the statement. You and I was talking, and people like, well, AJ was the best receiver. No, AJ won a ring. Congratulations. But even in Philly, he wasn't better than T.O. No.

No. What? He wasn't. And that's not a knock on him. It ain't nobody in Philly. Ever played by Philly. Hell, ain't nobody in the NFL history is better than T.O.

unless you go into the conversation and want to bring up Randy Moss and Jerry Rice is in a class of his own. That's what I said. I think the three best receivers and I've seen a lot of them. That's the him. For me, if Jerry's number one, a lot of people believe that two and three are the chain of them. Some people got Randy, some people got T.O.

But for me, those are the top three. One is unmistakable. Right. 22,000 yards, 1,500 catches, 193 receiving touchdowns, another, another eight on reverse. On runs, what are we talking? What are we, what, we're not even having that discussion. Hey, hey, Joe, you know how we talked about.

I forgot what we were talking about. You watch hockey up close. You watch tennis up close and how different it is at the highest level. Joe, I had the opportunity, man, not only play with Tio, but to watch him up close when we had to play against him. He was with Dallas. Yeah. Well, young bull, he was something special, man.

He was like that. Man, man, Joe, man, listen, man. He was something special, man. I found myself on the sideline as a fan watching a friend of mine and got a better understanding on why he was as great as he was. He was a monster. Saw Randy in person up close, Joe. So did I.

Jesus Christ. Joe, I ain't never seen nothing like that. Yeah. I ain't never seen nothing like that. The DV playing seven yards off. The DV in his back pedal. Randy take three steps and throw his hand up. You ain't even broke the cushion yet.

Can you get, can you get, can you step on the toes first? Man, Randy come out of the ball, man. He hit by four, you know, by three steps. You know, Randy three steps. He damn there eight, eight, eight, eight, nine yards. Absolutely, absolutely. And he throws a hand up. And if the DB is still in his back pedal,

by the time he get going, like that fourth or fifth step, and the DB says his back pedal trying to be pretty, man, strike at the band. Better be in a full-out sprint already running backwards before he closed that cushion. If you're not, man, it's over.

And T.O., you throw Hito or Hitch route, you're not getting him down. You better have the cavalry coming. You're not getting him down. He ran angry every plate. And he's shifty with it too. You notice how big Tio was? He was a little shifty in the opening.

Yeah. And look, he rubbed people the wrong way. But I love this game. I never questioned Tio. Tio going to block. Tio going to do what he's supposed to do. Yeah, I get all the antics. And they try to make it team, you know, make it seem like when they won,

he didn't have play a role. But when they lost, it was because of his antics. I ain't by none of that boy, John. I ain't by none of it. For me, until somebody else come along, the three greatest receivers that I've ever seen, and I've seen a bunch of them. Jerry, I mean, look, so we just start, forget one.

Let's just start go two on. We can forget, we can forget number one. 1,500 catches. The man had a thousand yard receiving Joe at 40. You know who got the second most receiving yards as a 40 year old. Oh. Tom Brady.

What? Tom Brady got the second most receiving yards for a 40 year old. You know, it's hard to play that long, Joe. Hey, the organization,

they got to love you, boy. Damn. Jerry had a hundred yard game. Jerry had a hundred yard game at 42. Here me. Yeah, you'll be, y'all be to go look at you.

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