Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 2: Draymond Green Says Being 7’5” HURTS Wemby + Unc & Iso RESPOND to Ron Harper + Lakers CONNECTED to Mitchell Robinson & Robert Williams III + BIG 3 WEEKEND 1 RECAP

Episode Date: June 22, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to Draymond Green saying Wemby’s height hurts him, Lakers connected to pursue Mitchell Robinson or Robert Williams III and BIG 3 Opening Weekend Timeline:00:00 - Draymond Green says 7’5” might hurt Wemby13:40 - Ron Harper shuts down reports of son Dylan Harper demanding a starting spot28:30 - Lakers have been connected to Mitchell Robinson and Robert Williams III36:55 - Nightcap’s Big 3 covering the BIG3 all season long (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Let's take a listen to what Dre had to say. A unicorn. It's a rare air that he's in. Not only is it a unicorn, but you also get to a certain height where it becomes a disservice in this lead. You know, like, there's nothing he can do about being 7-5, but I'm not sure 7-5 suits you better than being 7-1. Right, right.

Like being 7 feet. With his skill set. You know, with his skill set. Being 7-5 almost does him a disservice. Like, yeah, you can catch a fit. But with the skill set that everyone loves about this kid, being 7-5 almost hurts that. Because once you get to this level,

you're going to run up against guys who's weight. stronger that moves as fast or faster and they play way lower to the ground. Right. And as you know, low man wins. And so if you're just running up into that, like 7-5 kind of hurts you. And so I think that's something that he's going to have to adjust to as well that people aren't really accounted for. I think it hurts him on an offensive being.

I think it helps him on the defensive being. Absolutely. Because you see how he's blocking those three-point shots when he take one step and he's throwing the ish in the stands. Yeah. He's deflecting it. Yeah. I understand what Draymond is saying because he's so tall.

It's easy to root him out. Yep. Yeah. Get up under him. And that's why you saw sometimes you saw Caruso was guarding him. Yeah. There's no way a 6-5 guard, a 6-4 guard should be able to guard him. But because he's so tall and he can't,

Caruso just gets up on him and root him out of his spot. Yeah, that low sense of gravity, bro. He's never going to have the advantage when it comes to that. He's always going to have to use his length, his quickness, versus the cast that's going to be guarding him, Ocho. He's always going to have an advantage. That's the problem because a big man guarding him, he's always going to have advantage because of how he moves at his height

and the way his game is. You know, he's not a typical being. He's not a stiff. He's not a guy who can just post up and shoot jump hooks or just shoot middies. Like, this dude going to block the shot, bring it all way up to court, run the plate. You know what?

Now, y'all just get out the way. Go in my bag, Bing, Bing, Bing. You know what I mean? And get right to it. We ain't seen that, bro, at 7.5. So I agree. Defensively, it helps him. It's just on the offensive end,

when he does try to be demonstrative when it comes to posting up and trying to gain that advantage and using his height to his advantage. that's where he's going to have to get stronger. Stronger don't mean like the mass he has to get big. He has to be that wiry strong, Ocho. You know, the work.

You just can't let guys root you out and move you. You know what I mean? I think that's the biggest adjustment that he's going to have to face or deal with that ultimately is going to take him to that next level to make that leap like Janus made. You know, when Janus first came into the lead, boy, he was skin and bone. I'm talking about, man, it's just night and day

to what he ultimately got to. I don't think he's going to be able to put on the match on this guy, but as far as being effective and using his lift and moving around the court the way he does, he's always going to have an advantage of this.

He just has to be more consistent in, you know, his mid-range jump shots, his three-point jump shots, because you always got to respect him way out there. That's the advantage. So if he catches two feet behind a three, Ocho, and he pump fake you now, because you got to close.

close out tough, now he can get into his bag. I just think, you know, strengthening up them hips, bro. Everything connected to the hips. Strengthening up them hips to where you can move, move. Waste down. Huh? Waste down.

Yeah, you got to be. Yeah. When I look at Yon, when I look at, when I look at, when I look at, when I look at, Wembe. Damn, what's buddy name? Wimby. Yeah, when I look at Wimby on,

obviously, I think for him, I understand what Dr. Amon is saying, I think he has an advantage to obviously being 75. The only problem, the only problem he has is when he in the low block of the post. That's it. That's it.

Outside of that, he plays small outside from the three. When it's time to go into his toolbox, Joe, he played like somebody that's six, five, six, seven. He can put the ball in the flow. He can shake you. He can get by you. The only issue, if you want to add something to his game, is to be able to play with your back to the basket

and maybe to go in your bag and not let people get you off your spot. That's the reason why he don't want to because he knows he's not strong enough to consistently bang. See, look, if he, like Shaq, Shaq was 7-1, Shaq was 325. So Shaq was, but Shaq was ultra-altra-quit. For his size, Shaq moved like a guy 6-66-7. But he got 325 pounds. So when Shaq, when Shaq, put that shoulder until you or put that hip on you,

You're moving. It's a rap. Wimby putting that shoulder on you, everybody's like, well, damn. You ain't gained no ground. Who cut a fan on here? Ain't nobody moving. Ain't nobody getting dislodged? Look how OG dislogged him.

Yeah. Remember OG going to the basket? Dislodge him, boom. You think somebody can dislodge him? You might dunk on a big, but you're not supposed to dislodge him like that. Hey, and I think, I think Wimby here is all this. two fellas. I think he's going to come back. You know, I think that

in hindsight, the best thing that can happen to winby is them losing in his finals, bro. I think that young man going to lock in, y'all got to remember now. He ain't but 22 years old. So all that we're talking about, he's going to gain the strength to where he can hold his ground. It may take him, it may

take him to the next year or the year after that, but he's going to get better next year and the next year and the next year. So I think his game will continue to ascend to where he's going to be obviously the face of the league because he's going to the numbers that he's going to have across the board

bro, it's going to be something that we've never seen before. When it comes to scoring, blocks, rebounds, he's probably going to be top five them there in every statistical category. You're right. And I think the thing is, look, everybody can't be like magic.

Come in, off the real, boom, win the championship. Bird, come in. Sometimes you got to grind your way through like Jordan. Yeah. Lose. Lose. He's like, man, they beat, man, the bad boy pistol's beating the hell out of me.

Damn this. Hey, Tim. Let's get in this gym. Yeah. No time off. It builds character, bro. Bro. I'm tired of these hard-ass foul because they're wearing me down.

I got to be able to withstand that, still get to my spot, and let this velvet jump a go. Hello. And that's what he did. Hello. So all that Joe Dumars pulling him down and Lamb Beer and Sam.

and Rodman beating the hell out of James Air with Rick Mahorn. He's like, man, enough of this. Man, yeah. He started to be able to play through that. And now he don't have a weakness. Yeah. You can't beat him up because they felt they could beat him up. Say we beat him up, hey, he'll shut it down.

Now you can't beat him up. Now what you're going to do? Yeah. But you know what? He's still small frame. you know, even if he does get stronger, I think he has to pick and choose when he wants to play that game.

Yeah. When he wants to play that game with his back to the basket, when he wants to play that game down there in the low block. You pick and choose when you want to do that. You don't want to take away from your other strengths and being able to put the ball on the floor,

being able to shoot the three, or being able to get to your spot and shoot your head. No, no, I agree with you, Ocho, and I think that's why I say he has to take what's a weakness of him right now and make it into a strength. And that's just, you know, obviously staying in the weight room,

getting stronger, and continue to work on your game, Your game's going to evolve once he gets more comfortable and gain more strength. You know, man, you've been in that weight room, bro. It brings a sense of confidence when you hit their flow, man. I don't know about y'all, but, bro, I used to do a full workout before games, you know, just to go out there and really feel strong, like, hey, man, it way different when you've been in that weight room. And I think this loss hurts Wimby in the finals to where, you know, he really was hurt behind this.

So I think he's going to come back a totally different player. But the problem is with Wembe, he didn't have a signature shot that he could go to. Yeah. Look at all the grades. They had his signature shot they could go to. Elijah Juan, Jordan, Bird, Magic, Kobe, Braun, Elijah, I don't know if I mentioned Elijah Wine twice. Everybody had a shot.

So he doesn't have that shot. I can put it to my basket. I can put my back to the basket. Give it to me. He didn't feel comfortable with that. Dirk Yeah All those guys

Now if you were shocked You sell him 1 325 340 Where you would just turn around And everybody moving Bang But that ain't what he is Yeah He's gonna have to

He's gonna have to build Brunson When Brunson When Brunson need to get a shot Bronson gonna go to that He's gonna do that Put that shoulder into you Yeah

And hit you with the step back Yeah Yeah Every single time Go back and look at the shots That he hit On Champini Go back and look at the shots

That he made down In clutch situation You got to have that in your bag. Oh, yeah. As a post player, Ocho, you got to have you at least, at least three moves,

go-to move that you know going to work. And you're right, he don't have that right now. And I think he definitely has to put the work in. At his size, bro, Ocho, I agree with you. He needs to use, it's matchups for him who's ever going.

You got a big guy out here who's slow-footed like, go bare. Then take him out here in deep waters and drowning. You know what I'm? You know what I mean? Take him out of hand in the deep waters and drowning. But when you're playing against the Knicks and they got cat and he guarding you, you got to get you a couple mood, jump hook.

You know what I mean? You know, three nice go-to mood, bro, that you can give him something different every time to keep his ass guessing. And I think once he figures that part out, okay, Ocho, that's going to take him to another level. Listen, I'm not in the NBA. I'm not wimby. But understanding the strengths that I have right now,

how good I am offensively, how good I am defensively. There are two people that I would want to go see in the offseason. For one, to work on the toolbox. Two, I'm going to see Kevin Garne. Just for the mentality. Just to have that dog in me, and I'm going to see Akima Lange one to add some of the repertoire

that he had to his game and see if I can add to that. That footwork, boy. You got to get that footwork. That's what the dream got, bro. Look, we look at the turnaround shots and all that, but it's his footwork. You know, Wimby learned that. He'd get that footwork down pack.

It's a rap, bro. Well, I don't know if he's going to get that foot back. Because you got to realize a king's grew up playing soccer. Yeah. So you know he's great with his feet. Yeah, Wimby, what went to him from? Huh? Wimby grew up playing soccer to wait for him.

How are you going to kick the ball with a size 42 shoot? He's playing side. He's playing. He's playing. He's playing. He's playing. He's way by the size 30. Where about a side of 30.

Man, that bad feet that long. Joe, how the hell he going to kick the damn ball? And he ain't playing no soccer. If he's playing soccer, he were playing goldie, but. Yeah. He, yeah, he might kick the ball with it's in front of him, but as far as dribbling the ball down the field, hell no. But you look at it, but it wasn't just the turnaround.

Dreamer show you the ball, show you another move, show you another move, and then up under you. Yeah. Yeah. You can slick with it. You got to have a counter to the counter. There you go. That's it.

I'll agree. Like you say, look, the thing is that he's got to work on that now. Because we said the same thing with Dwight Howard. He only 19. He only 19. He's going to work on it. And Dwight Howard never developed a signature. Hey, these two completely different type of animals, though.

Huh? These two completely type of animals, though. All I'm saying, if Dwight Howard would have worked on a move, Joe. Because look at Dwight, Dwight, Dwight had that same little skinny-ass frame when he came in. And the two, three years later, man, Dwight Howard looked like a show enough. Oh, yeah. Hey, Dwight was real raw. When he came into the, when he first came into the league,

he ain't had no offense a game for real, you know what I mean? He's running dog. Yeah, but he developed, he developed him a nice little jump hook, you know, a hit shooter turn around sometime, and then face up, the way he turned face up and shoot that little jump off the glass. He developed that. You know what I mean?

Wimby is going to, he's going to develop. I'm telling you all, he's going to develop at least two to three go-to-three go-moves. use on that block, whether it's the turning face, whether it's the back down to the jump hook, whether it's fade away. But you have to be effective and efficient when you shoot these shots, bro. Because in the postseason, what we see, hey, man, ain't a whole lot of space out there. You know what I mean?

You ain't got a lot of time. Great scores. It don't take all day pound in the rock. You're going to get two dribbles max, you know, to be able to get your stuff off. And you've got to be able to do it at the efficiency rate. And I think he will learn that. NBA champion Ron Harper, Father Dylan Harper, completely shut down. the widely circulated reports of rumors regarding Dylan's camp demanding a starting spot.

Stop it. Fake news, you don't want to demand a spot. You want to earn a spot. Ron also reposted us. Joe Johnson says Dylan Harper has the opportunity to be a prime James Hardin potential. He would average 22, 23 points a game, his rookie season if he had the same freedom. Did James play defense? No, not like Harper, bro.

But, oh, Harper should hope that when his son career is over, he's a top 75 player. Yeah. We weren't trying to be dismissive. You was praising him. You see something in this kid

that he can say, you know what? He has the ability to be obviously what James Hardin was. Yeah. We were praising him. We didn't shoot him down.

We didn't say, oh, we said he should be in the starting line up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But see, when you just, when you just listen to clips and not listen to the meat of what you and I was discussing,

and Ocho, this is what you get. Yeah, it's part. Nobody was trying to shoot your son down. We was praise to your son. We said he was the, he was the second best on some nights, the best player on the Spurs. Yeah, are you?

But I guess you to hear that part. Go ahead, Joe. He probably, he probably didn't. And the fact that Joe even think he can be somewhat similar to James Harden if he had the green light to shoot when he want to and he can play defense the way he does. Come on now. You can't add you can't ask for a little better than that.

Hey, hey, look, despite what his pop say that, his son, he's special. He's special, bro. We were trying to, we were trying to, we thought we did a good job of conveying. You did, having played the game, having looked at James Hardin game, they're both lefties. Yeah. Harper already has. an NBA body. Hardin had to grow into his body. Look at Hardin

as a rookie and look at Hardin. Now, look at Dylan Harper. That is a grown man's body. Yeah. You're saying, giving the same opportunities to have a green light, which is going to be highly unlikely because he's playing with Wemby. Yeah.

But that situation, we're saying, Joe was saying, he has the ability to be as specialist Hardin. For you to say that, knowing what Hardin is, no matter. He didn't mind not play no, defense. He's one of the great offensive guys in the history of the NBA.

Yes, sir. He's an MVP. He's led to league in scoring. He's led to league and assists. He's a top 75 player. Yeah. And he made it seem like we said he should be a role player. We're saying that he should start. Yeah.

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You know, he just got to keep putting the work in. And he'll look bigger than James Harden, Uncle Ocho. Yes. Yeah, like, if you watch him, the way he maneuvers around the court and when he does get in the paint, bro, it's like he big, boy. He damn there play like he doesn't. He played through contact. That's more hard.

Hardin is slippery. Hardin is trying to get on edges. No, he's trying to play through. You. Yeah. He can get on the edge. There you go. But you look at him, he's trying to dunk on folks.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He ain't playing. He ain't playing. But he got that same bag that I think James Hardin has. And maybe it is because they both lefties, got nice smooth jump shots. His potential is through the roof, bro. But I'm just trying to figure out.

So because we say he could be James Hardin, we're talking about, and you're talking about the James Hardin play defense. No? But he's 11, 12-time NBA All-Star. He's an all-N-B-A player. He's a top 75 player in the history of the game. Yeah. Don't, listen, James Hardin is not a defensive guy,

but don't demean the guy now. I agree. He's a top, top 75. He's a top five, two guards, all the two guards. He's a top five. Now, I don't think anybody's going to put him over Kobe and Jordan. Now, there's been some debate about him and D. Wade.

Me personally, I like D-Waid, but, hey, to each his own, some people go like, James Harden, offensive game is so great, I can't have it no lower than third. Yeah. Okay, fine. But, man, y'all got to stop this notion, man. Y'all make it seem like every player in the league played lockdown defense like Kobe and Jordan.

They didn't. No, sir, it's a small, it's a select few, especially than today's game. It is, bro. It is. It ain't but a couple guys who are willing to do that dirty work Because everybody wants to You know they want to shoot the threes

They want to score to 25 30 points a night Don't know it ain't a lot of cats want to do that damn dirty work How many guys in the history of the game Has been first team all NBA NBA and all NBA defense How many guys in the same season It ain't many boy It's a few men

I juan, Robinson, Duncan, Kobe, Braun, Jordan. How many? How many first team, all NBA players and all defensive players on the first team in the same season, Janice, Kauai? Yeah. I bet you they'd have been less than 15. Oh, yeah. Because I bet, I bet Scotty Pippen, I just don't think offensively he probably was first team.

but defensively, you know, he always made the... Probably, probably. I think he made it maybe twice. I know the year that Jordan retired. Remember the first year, Jordan retired? He almost got him there. Yeah. Yeah.

But it's hard. When he played, you got Barclay, you got Marlowe. I mean, they battled it out damn there every year. And then you get KG, you get dirt. Yeah, yeah. So it wasn't, it wasn't. It wasn't no easy. It wasn't no easy fix.

And there's only five spots on both. Yeah. Right. So there's not a whole lot of guys that can say, you know what? I locked it down on both ends on a nightly basis, offense and defense. But,

son. Look, I ain't got no problem. I believe every man should praise his son. But I believe you can praise your son. James Hardin ain't, ain't, you can say he didn't play no defense, but he's one of the greatest offensive players we've ever seen. He, oh, Ron Harper here. Anytime somebody says something about this, son, he comes at him, man.

But even when somebody tried to praise his son, he still tried to come out of him. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's so funny. Man, all this time, man, I ain't even know that was Mr. Harper's son. You didn't? Nah, because we never talked about it. We just talked about them Harper. We never talked about, you know, it being Ron Harper's son.

We never say nothing like that. As soon as you see it wrong hopper, I put to it. Oh, offensively. He's a good defensive player. Now, hey, a, a, a, Blunson average 33. Yeah. Brunson average 33. You got 45 in the close I game.

Ain't very many people in the poor had 40 plus points in the close I game. I don't know, Joe. That can close our game. Jordan. John has got 50 when he closed out Phoenix. Jordan got 45 when he closed out Utah and Brunson got 45 when he closed out the Spurs. Yeah.

Mm. Sometimes, Ron, just take the compliment, bro. Nobody trying to demean your son. Joe actually, as a matter of fact, fought so much of your son's game that he said he had a chance to be hardened if given the opportunity. Oh, yeah.

That's praise. That is praise. We talked about it. We believe, like, man, this man need to be in the start. line up, or at least playing more minutes than what they're giving him. Okay, you give him 25, 27 minutes. You got to bump that up to 30, 35.

The last game, he played 31 minutes. That should have been 36, 37. And guess what? Guess what, Uncle O's? So we're talking about a damn rookie. That's 20 years. Yes. That's 20 years.

That's what you think of him, Joe? Yeah. He's been played the game as long as you played, played at the level of which you played. You think that much of that man's game, seeing him as a rookie, that you say, you know what? I think given an opportunity, he could be, he could be, he can have a game similar to James Hardin.

No question. No question. I just hold to see him in the start lineup. I don't care. I don't care of earned. He'd have earned him. I mean, if this ain't earned, if he played this year as a rookie and what he's done in the playoff

didn't earn him the right to start, well, I don't know what he can do. He neither. He'll be, hey, I'm telling y'all, they're going to find a way. Him and Fox. They're going to be in the damn back court together. So what we're going to do with Castle? He's going to be Fox, Castle, and Harper.

And Harper. So they're going to have a three guard lined up. Yeah, yeah. They're going to get three. Because, see, Castle and Harper, they play a lot bigger than their size. You know what I'm saying? They play like they buy six, nine. Yeah.

The boys play big. And then you'll probably keep the way Champini shot the ball here. You got to, you always want a guy like that. But I like Vassell, too. I do, too. No, you got a good problem on your hand. It's going to be, I don't know about a good problem because, hey, there's going to so many shots to go around, Joe. Man, when I say good problem, think about some of the teams here who come to every season, thinking,

oh, man, we just want to be better this year and getting their eyes beat out every damn night. Man, please. Hey, you can kind of pick and chew what you want to do if you're saying, Antonio, you know, to stay on the right trajectory. You got a bunch of young guys. Oldest guy in the starting line up here was 25, and that's who for sale? Yeah. Man, please. But it's going to be, it's going to be very interesting to see how they put this thing together.

I think they're hungry. I think they got a sour taste in their mouth. They're like, bro, we led every single game by double digits. And we lost all these games except one. I'm talking to my big leads, too. Yeah, double 29 points, 16 points, 13 points. And I think the thing is the inexperience really hurt them. Yeah.

Because they didn't have somebody to calm them down. I don't think their coach did them any favors. We can say, I think two things can be true. I think the inexperience hurting them, not having someone to calm them down. And I don't think the coach, I don't think, I think Mike Brown out-coaching Ms. Johnson. Oh, yeah.

That's not enough because here's the guy that's only been coaching basically a year and a half, if that took over from pop. Yeah, you, hey, Joe, you can't an uncle. You can't blame coach. You can't blame Mr. Johnson for that. A little bit, oh, Joe. The extension of the code, the extension of the coach, is on the court.

It was a veteran in Fox. He's supposed to dictate plate. I agree. When to speed it up, when to slow it down, calm down. They constantly making mistakes. Back and forth.

Don't let them go on a 20 to four run before you call a timeout. See, stuff like that. Yeah, I mean, yeah, we can't blame the code. We got to blame the people. No, no, no. Hey, but hey, what about the substitutions?

About the rotations? Yeah, you got, hey, hey, who's running the rotations? Yeah. Yeah. I got you. Who can put Luke Cornett in and every time

you're in a negative? Yeah. Do you see what you call him there? He brought Landryor Shammon in. Instead of Miles, Miles McBride being the first off the bench, Landry Shammit was the first off the bitch. Yeah.

Yeah. You see when Kat got in trouble, hey, Mitchell Robinson got found trouble. He brought another guy in. And then he brought another big in. See, it's the game within the game. Yeah, I understand that, look, the guy, once you get on the court,

But you got to be able to like, you know what? Hey, I don't see it enough. Hey, this thing by the guy got a head. Hey, let me go kick it. Hey, eight nothing run. Let me take a time out. Time out. Yeah, yeah.

You got, hey, look. Also, those threes that was falling in the first half, guys, they're not falling now. Let's slack off of taking those threes. They're a young team. Sometimes you have to coach a, mocho. Put the ball on the floor. Get to the, hey, bro, you're shooting threes. When normally we get to the bonus and six minutes to go in a quarter.

quarter. Yeah. And we're taking threes with 18, 19 seconds on the shot clock for what? We're up 29. We're not down 29. Yeah. Trying to extend. Hey, I remember playing boy when Pop was coaching Uncle Ocho, you go on a four-old run. His air calling timeout. He's going to burn out his damn time out. He ain't. A-4-old. Oh, that man calling time out, Ocho. You go on the 6-0 run to start the game. Papa call a time out. Yeah. Yeah. And take his whole five out. That man on me playing. So I just think when it comes to coaching, you do have to make adjustments.

You look at Mike Brown, he was throwing shit at the wall, hoping it stick. He ain't know what. He played Alvarado and Brunson together. Hell, he hadn't done that. He hadn't done that. They put Alvarado in there, Ocho, from the 29-point lead. Alvarado played major, major minutes. Yeah.

That's coaching. Yeah. And that's that, hold on, Alvarado with that firecracker. He understand the value that Avarado brings once you get on that court, Joe. But he's all over the place like the Tasman and down. He had never played him with Brunson because they make to have them so small in the back court. But hell, that came to be their best lineup. Hey.

Prime example. Look at what Steve Kerr did. He bids Andrew Bogot and inserted Andre Igadala. Yeah. His starting center. Make him fast. One of my championship. And it's small ball.

And guess what? Everybody tried to be small. Everybody tried to have a death lineup. Yep. Mm-hmm. So he made some rookie mistakes as a coach, too. He absolutely did. The Lakers have been connected to both Mitchell Robinson and Robert Williams III per Jake Fisher.

The Lakers have been linked to all sorts of veteran big men in the forthcoming free agent market as well. They could emerge as a suitor for the Nix Mitchell Robinson and the Trailblazers and the Trailblazers Robert Waiving the Third. All those sources say both players are very open to remaining in their incumbent roles with the Knicks and the Blazers. Hey, their money talk and their BS walks a thousand miles. You hear me? Yeah, yeah. I like Robert Williams and I like Mitchell Robinson. You know, both do dirty work that I think the Lakers will need

if they want to contend in the Western Conference. But Mitchell, but Mitchell Robinson in a starting role, Joe. I mean, think about what you bring him in and you're asking him to do. Not be a backup. Now you're going to ask him to play 30-plus minutes a night. Yeah. Can he do that? considering that he stays in file trouble, Joe.

It'll be an adjustment, unc, but here, hey, hey, if I pay you enough, hey, I'm going to get you down here to L.A., put you to work real early for the season and start, get you right, get you in some great shape. You know what I mean? Yeah, hell, hell. You're going to have to shoot you about 500 to 1,000 free throws a day

because it's going to be hard to play you if you shoot them 20%, 15% from the free throw line. Damn. And it'll help, Joe. Daegger, you got to, aunt. You got it ain't no way. You can't, you can't, shooting 36% you're going to get into 40%. Oh, you cannot play nobody real minutes shooting free throws like that, bro.

I know. You can, it's going to be hard. Listen, he ain't going to be able to play a whole lot, especially when you really need him in the fourth quarter. You can't be able to play nobody like that. Hacker Robinson. Hello. Hello.

It's, uh, I just, I just don't know. I think Mitchell Robinson is great. role. We've seen, Joe, how many times are you seeing guys be great in the role

and all of a sudden now you want to up his role. Cho, we see it all the time with receivers and running backs, quarterbacks.

Ooh, boy, that Joe's slinging it. Ooh, boy, if he got his own team, yeah. I mean,

damn, if he'll put his fans down on the field. Every time. You know, most time players, when they play a role, they're consistent

because it's just a role. Now, you got to be the lead man, the lead character. Everybody not- That's an adjustment, bro. Hey, everybody- That's an adjustment. We talked about this, Joe. What's the greatest killer of careers?

Expectations. Expectations. Yeah. The expectation for Mitchell Robinson in New York would be vastly different than the expectations in L.A. Yeah, yeah. You ain't got no pressure coming off that bitch in New York. You just got to bring energy and effort.

Get you-in-L-A. Bounds four points. and head on back in the big. Oh, man, you did great, good job. He high-fiving everybody. Yeah. You come to L.A. You didn't have four points

ain't going to get it. It's all. No, hell, no. Because they're going to need him to be a lot. I mean, Luke are going to probably throw him four lobs a night. Yeah. Yeah.

With that I can't say, he got better hands than Aiton. That's for damn sure. Ha, ha. Yeah, my grandma was 89, and she had better hands than Atenham. Oh, man. Come on.

Come on, man. Look, defensively, it'll take the Lakers to another level. I think defensively having that interior presence. But offensively, yeah, he'll lob through it. Damn, unless he really work on his game, Ocho, damn, it's going to be tough. I agree. Unless he's just dominating defensively.

I'm talking about 15 boys a night, four blocks a night, like some crazy Dennis Rodman type of stuff. He could do that, Joe, if he's standing. say he's out of file trouble, but his problem that he picks up so many tiki-tack files because he's not the fleet of the foot. So he's in awkward position. So he files a lot.

Yeah. Yeah. Hold on. He gave him early too, Joe. Too early. Yeah, it's an adjustment now. Don't get me wrong, bro. You know, I know what it's like.

Robert Williams. Ooh, the injury, Joe. I mean, can I trust that, Joe? Well, he gave him some decent minutes in the postseason. He gave me, he gave him, he gave him, Portland Trailblazers, decent men in the pro season. And injury history, bro, that's always a gamble. It's always going to be a gamble.

But if I'm the Lakers, you're going to have to take that gamble on him, man. Listen, you cannot come back into this season thinking just because you got damn Jackson Hayes back there. That ain't going to get it, bro. You're going to have to come about two more B. Jackson Hayes is great in his role. He's going to give you great energy for about 20 minutes a night. He going to block some shots.

He's going to run the floor. He is what? he is. That's what I love about Jack Day. He is what he is. He ain't taking no shots. He's going to run. You ain't really got to run no play for him. He's just a lot threat. He's going to pick, roll to the basket, flush it down. He'll get office and rebounds. He'll get putbacks. I love that, knowing who and what I am. Yeah. Got to know it. And I don't need to have to tell you. Don't you hate, you got nice looking girl. I mean, she fought, five. But I got, you know, I got to come out with, get my palm, put my, I don't. But either way, I got no, but either

I got to tell her every day, girl, you know you bad. Girl, you know, I, whew. Hey, you know that. You sitting on the dump. You got, you got $4.50 to $510 C.C. You're straight. Hello. Hello.

You're straight. Yeah. Yeah. Baby, how did this look on me? Girl, you look good at a paper bag. Hell, help, throw a pillowcase around your way. Take this towel with it. go out. You like that.

I ain't got to hype you. I got to help you all the time. Right. Right. You know what they call it. That's their love language. You heard me? They say that's they love language. Yeah. Some of them. You're right. You're right. Affirmation. Word of affirmation. If I got to constantly tell you the same thing over and over, you already

know it's something wrong with you. I mean, you, come on now. You know you are. Yeah, hello. Look in the mirror. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, bad in the two, you hear me. That, hey. Yeah. Yo, stack like dirty laundry in the dorm room.

You know you're the laundry, pah. Yeah. Man, hey, you have people coming over. You remember you have people. You shove it into the cloth. You don't want nobody to see it. Hello. Hello.

Yeah. You walking around like two volleyball cutting half in the back. Ooh. Just bouncing a little sun dress. Man, please. Damn. But okay. I mean, Joe, you like that trade, so.

They say, All right. Go ahead, Joe. Chance they bring AD back. The L.A.? So, L.A., hold on, A.D., Reeves, Luca. Who are you five?

I hell about no, Joe. You know, AD, going to have to go back to the four. He won't have to play the four. He wants to do. He wants to play the four. He likes playing the four, because if you look at AD blessed season in L.A. is when they had Javelle McGee and they had the White Howard play in the five,

and he was always at the four. And then the last five minutes of the game, he slide to the five. Because you know why, right? Y'all know why, because AD ain't, he don't really want to have to do all that damn dirty. I don't want to do all that got-deggong banging. 80 best years in New Orleans, they had boogie at the five, they had 80 at the four. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's where he's at his best. Now, last five minutes of the game, last six, seven minutes of the game, you want to slide him to the five? That's a whole different story. Yeah. But primarily he wants to be the four. Yeah.

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You know what I mean? This year, because of, you know, the fireworks that's going to be. don't come with these two teams playing against each other. They had security there. But still, that, that's... Right. It don't mean nothing, bro. Like, what we always talk about,

you can't have the damn animals running the zoo now. No. Hey, I like that, Joe. That's a good line right there, Joe. But you know what that is, Joe? What? Beasley think he can punk Dwight Howard. Yeah.

Oh, he's going to try. That's what that is. He going to try. Yes. He's going to try. Dwight. And, you know, Dwight just physically.

posing, bro. Like, yeah, I'm gonna keep it real. Playing in three on three, like, if you guard him, it's,

you better have you some damn pads on your ribs and you can, you know what I mean? Because he's throwing them elbows and all that, and, you know, Beasley and Lansdenham, man, you know,

they're looking for the BS to throw in the game. They throw the BS in the game. It doesn't touch in the WWE out there. We ain't even, this ain't even basketball no damn more.

So, you know, honestly, think the suspensions were warned it, man, because when every time these two teams link up and they wrestle and fighting and throwing punches and come on, man, we like the competition. We like the back and forth, the rarise and all that. But damn, when he get to the point to where it ain't even basketball anymore, what are we doing, bro? Somebody's just going to get hurt out of it.

That's it. Yeah, you're right. You have to keep some level of refreshingness a minute. But obviously, you know, when those two, when those two play, when Lance Stevenson and them boys get on the court, man, And people want to see that. People want to tune in, people want to watch. Not for the shenanigans, but the unpredictability, you never know what's going to happen. The antics.

They know it's going to be antics, OK, Ocho. That's why these people, listen, I'm like, damn, I'm sitting there watching the game, you know, and, you know, it's competitive because these are two are probably the best teams that's going to be in the league this year. Talent-wise, there's not many that can really stack up against them. But, man, when you had it, when you have it, when you have a going, down like this and we can't watch a good competitive game yeah man you got to take matters in the own hand shout out the cube now bro i don't think he had a choice joe he didn't he didn't they hey listen people were voicing and asking for this last season when they played the first game

and they started tussling all that people were saying may you gotta start suspending these guys because if you don't they're going to continue to do it because they know there's no repercussions behind it you feel me right so now yeah the same damn thing happened this year you're right You have no choice. You have no choice. Look, they got the tussling, and each time it goes a little farther, it escalates a little more.

And I mean, you don't, look, you don't want, you know, people to just be all, just out there swinging. Yeah. So I think Q's like, you look, guys, we want you to, we want you to play physical.

It's a physical game. It's three on three. It ain't no full court. You're right there. The court's only so big. But we got to have a level of decorum. We got to have a level of sportsmanship. We got to have a level of professionalism.

Because at the end of the day, sponsors don't want to see that. Ocho, this national televised on CIS. Yes, bro. It ain't like this, it ain't like, you know, they're playing on some local channel to where it ain't but a few thousand people. Bro, they're on CBS, national stage.

You know what I mean? Man, them people don't want to see that. No. And, you know, Q, work too hard even get it to this point. To grow the big three, to have it as big as it is, everybody wanting to watch, going from, you know, state to state, city to city, you know, to have them out there acting a floor. Yeah, and we're still trying to grow the league, bro. We're trying to take it to new heights. And it's like, damn, if I'm a viewer and I'm watching, I'm looking at the product,

y'all got out there on the floor, I'm thinking to myself, well, damn, is this what I want to watch every weekend? Why you think David Stern? The league didn't take off to David Stern and cleaning up all that fighting. Yeah. Go ahead. Y'all keep fighting. I got something for you.

70s or free, it was anything going to 70s, anything, early 80s. David Stewart said, man, later for this. How are we supposed to have people? And now because at least it was tape delayed, a lot of people didn't get an opportunity to see it. Now this thing live. Right. And y'all behaving in this matter?

Five games, 10 games, 15, 20 games, 30 games, 40 games. Yeah. Three million, five million, ten million, 15 million. Yeah, yeah. All of a sudden, you know, guys don't want to bite no more. You know, you know, you know, that's the one thing, Joe. They know how to, listen, we paying your millions of dollars, right?

We know how to control you. We know how to control you. We're going to take what we think you value most. We come in to get that money. That's got to keep your ass line. In the NFL, I know they got fine money. In the NBA, man, I wonder how much of the fine. When I was playing in Brooklyn, I think they said to find money that they had accumulated over the years was at like almost like 60, almost 60, 70 million, something like that.

Something crazy. And we ain't win, Joe, where'd go? I don't know, but I bet they're back. They give the money to charity in NFL. Joe, you got to realize. Hey, y' guys getting, you got to every game. Think about this game every week and there's multiple players getting fined every single week. Yeah.

Yeah. Big dollars. Sox or illegal tackle. illegal block in the back, something. Every single week from the preseason all the way through. Ain't no telling.

And, you know, they say, NFL says they give it to, you know, cancer research or, this Lombardi research stuff. Yeah, child, hey, I don't know. Right, right. Hey, hey, that's a lot of money just to be sitting up.

Hey, pull the numbers on that. I guarantee it's in somebody pocket. I mean, I think you can find it. I think they got like seven, eight charities that they list. I'm just saying what they say, Ocho, don't start me the line. I wouldn't know for sure. DMV trilogy looked like they may be on the bounceback, Joe. They defeat Detroit Amps, 5146.

James Johnson, and his inaugural big three debut, has 17 points. Earl Clark also has 17. Good bounceback tone that the trilogy had a down 2025 season. No, yeah. Hey, shout out to Stephen Jackson. Let me tell you y'all something. One thing about Stack Jack, he going to go out there and get him some life-sized guys,

and he's going to get him some dogs. He's going to go get some boys. He's going to go in the foxhole with. You know what I mean? That he knows when they come push, come to shove, 305 come out there with all that with Trilogy. They're going to come out there with James Johnson out there. Hey, nobody doing none of that. Hello, that's what I'm trying to tell you.

That's what I'm trying to tell you. Stack Jack, no. He's like, look, I'm going to recruit me a dog or two. Boy, because, hey, I'm going to tell you, playing in the big three, bro, it's so physical. Bro, you got to have guys like that. And if they can score and be that dog, oh, man, you got you a goal mind. You know, everybody ain't going to be no ISO. It ain't but one ISO.

It ain't. No, no, I'm just saying it ain't but one ISO. Hey, hey, the six years I've played in the Big Three years, I've been MVP. I had one one. Oh, Joe, you know, hey, you don't have been three MVP. three times? Yeah, the only three-time MVP, but that's a story for another day.

We didn't have to talk about that. So this is going to be a four-time MVP. I was going to win MVP last year with that 30 I kept in my back pocket. You hear me? Before them boy. Joe, you kept 30. Before them boy hurt me them first two games.

I had 30 in my back pocket every night. I was going to win this. Yeah. Yeah. I'm running. Without all this. So you just, long, you've been there you're going to be the MVP every year. Listen, and them boy can't have no fun unless I ain't playing.

I got to be sitting on here with y'all. I got to be sitting and hanging out with y'all. You know what I mean? If it wasn't for that, I'm going to have 30 in my back pocket. Okay, Ocho, that's how I'm coming to the game, man. You know what I mean? Hey, I got, hey, hey, uh, well, we got to, hey, we got to get, hey, we got to get me up.

Hey, my, Joe, I might have to come out of your leg back right. Hey, hey, hey, I, hey, Joe, I get your leg back right. Come on, no, boy, man. It's getting right. It's a slow process. It's okay. Ain't in no rush, man. No, but I, hey, Joe, I want, I want to see you play.

I want to see you play. I had a, I had that thing. I'm going to be right. Don't worry, Ocho. Don't worry. So you're not, hey, you think you're coming back this season at all?

No, I probably. I probably, because my doctor told me, he said around September is when I'll be feeling probably like a hundred like I really want to play. That's the end of the season.

Season, ain't but three months here. September, the playoffs will be starred. You know what? Hey, Joe, you know what? I don't like your doctor.

Why are you don't like him? I don't like, I don't like his assessment on when you'll be back. He got the best interest for me, Ocho. You ain't got the like I got the best interest in you.

I want you on the court. No, you don't. You ain't got my best interest right now. You ain't got my best interest. My doctor got my best interest. I do. And the faster you get healthy, the fast I get to whip your ass.

The Hawks team, doctor, they did your surgery, Joe? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Oh, you had surgery, Joe? Oh, man, what a man been in on? Hey, you ain't telling me they had to cut you over, Joe? Man, I told my, uh...

Yeah, you got a real attach to Patela. Oh, Joe? man. Oh, man, Joe, I could have did that for you. What did you? What, Joe? Boy, you know, I was a little surgeon back in the day, Joe. Oh, cool.

Oh, cool. No, Joe, I listened. I didn't did a butt lift, you know? I didn't put some Cs in the chest. And they're picking up people who are doing that in their house too. Now, I'm doing it. Joe, hey, I do it right in the face. Oh, it ain't, it ain't janky because I ain't had no complaint yet.

Oh, okay. Okay. All the people still alive. Yeah, look at you. Boy, you don't see my work. My work be right on my hill. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, I did all that.

That's my work. Huh? You think I'm going to pay for that? All right. Hey, Joe, honestly, Joe, I can say it publicly now. I didn't do it by three, four fat. Yeah, that's been the big thing going around now, huh? Yeah, yeah, because it's natural, Joe.

You know, it is natural. You know, you slap and you still get that same way. Yeah, so they still feel like it's theirs. You know what I mean, versus? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. And, you know, I kind of messed up to because somewhat, I thought it was an investment for me,

but it's more than investment for them. And what you call it? Fatten the frog for what? Fatten the frog for another snake, D. Yeah, hey, fatten the frog for another snake to eat. Not the goddamn snake got my goddamn frog. Huh? Hey, hey, Joe.

Hey, but you know, hey, Joe, it is what it is. Yeah, I get it. Hey, I get it. I get it. This man said he'll do the fat transfer. He'll put some C-Cs in there. Yeah. You go on top of the muscle or you go under the muscle, Ocho.

Oh, I got to, I go under. I do it professionally, huh? I do, hey, right at the bottom so you can't see. Yeah. Right, right up on the knee. I thought you might go through the armpit. Yeah, I could do that, but that's, I, I'm, the YouTube video I watch to be able to do insurgents. They didn't do it that way.

They did it. They did it from the bottom. Yeah. You got to make sure they, they right, one ain't hot in the other. They separated just right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get them right. I get him right.

Yeah, you gotta have to, hey, hey, because when they did, when they, when they fixed my orbital bone, they went up through my lip, you know what I mean? Absolutely, going through, yeah. Yeah, that's the same thing. Yeah, so they don't leave no scar on your face. Mm-hmm.

Ooh. Yeah. I had the same thing. Damn, through your lip. Yeah, 18 screws in three place, Ocho, still in there. Hey, Joe, you still want to fight me and you got that? Hey, that's how, that's how to take them. It's stronger than the other side.

I know, but what happened when I knock at you? You ain't gonna knock you. You ain't going to touch me, bro. I already told you. Hey, hey, you robocop. I'm going to knock that shit loose, boy. You're going to be asleep. You're going to be sleep by the time you get up in now.

Yeah. The Chicago triplets beat the Houston rigs hands. 5147, Amir Johnson, had the performance of the night. 26 points. Chicago was short-handed with Montrez-Hara and Leandro Barbosa out with injured. The triplets played only three players and still won.

Wow. Trippler's got a nice squad. You know, when you got guys who've been playing in the big three for over five, six years, bro, they know the type of shape they have to be in. They know the physicality to bring. So the tributler's going to be there when it comes to, like, making the playoffs

and being there at the end, they was in a championship game last season and end up losing. But they got some good players, bro. They got guys who play hard, they unselfish. And they play the, right way. At the end of the day, when you, when you're playing the game of hoops, bro, you want guys who can make other guys better who're going to play the right way

because we all out here playing hard. We all want to win. You know what I mean? And when you got guys out there being selfish and ain't passing the rock, ain't playing the right way, it's hard playing with cats like that, bro. The Dallas Power beat the Boston Ball Hawks, 5143, the biggest win margin of the week. Elijah Stewart led Dallas with 17. Greg Monroe added 14. The Dallas looked balanced. physical. You like Dallas, Joe? Yeah, I like Dallas, bro. Greg Monroe or Logue. You got, you know, you got young Glenn Rice.

You know, he got plenty of game. And I like Elijah, Laja, number 44 out there, high energy, play the right way to won the championship in the big three. So they got guys who hunger and want to prove, you know, prove the league wrong. You know, people have been counting power out for quite some time. Yeah. But they've been able to make adjustments and, and, you know, and add different players, you know, to their team. And they got Nancy Lieberman.

That's my girl, bro. She, she do a hell of a job. Super, super cool individual. I love her. I love her squad. They take on her demeanor, too. I don't know, you know, Uncle, I know you probably seen her play when she was coming up.

I know Ocho ain't seen her play. But she's fiery. I'm talking about she still talking about her. She still talk a lot of mess right now to this day. I think she had to try out for the NBA. She did. She played with them back. Yeah, yeah.

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