Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Evans 1,000 yd season, St. Brown wants a rule change, rookie hazing

Episode Date: January 8, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from the final week of the regular season including Tampa Bay Bucs WR Mike Evans gets his 11th straight 1,000 yard season, Detroit Lions’ Amon-Ra St. Brown wants the NFL to change its playoff rules, the guys talk about their days as rookies in the league and what kind of pranks were pulled on them and much more!03:18 - Mike Evans gets a $3 million bonus05:30 - Uniforms were different back in Unc and Ocho’s day11:40 - What is Russell Wilson doing?21:26 - Ocho and Unc talk rookie pranks. Meanwhile, Amon-Ra St. Brown wants a rule change in the NFL(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Live. That's live. Not now. You, you see the difference. You see that you see the difference. You think that GM knew that Mike Evans beat us up? They all going to fight. They knew it because they talked about it on TV before it even happened.

You know, Mike being able to reach his incentive, the $3 million incentive. Yes, the GM knew he understood and go make sure Mike got it. No, that's, that's the difference. I love it. I love it. The difference. I love it. I love, I love, I love when teams reward their players.

Mike Evans has been nothing but a model citizen for Tampa. He had an opportunity to possibly lead for greener pastors and free agencies. He took less money because his family was there. He'd been great in the community. And he's like, you know what? I want to I want to be a one helmet guy. Yeah. And they rewarded him for that loyalty. They've been loyal to him.

He's been loyal to them. He's been nothing but a great player and a great ambassador for that organization. And this is how it should be. When someone has rewarded you with their play and their loyalty, I believe a team should pay that back. Not all teams do this. A lot of times loyalty only goes one way. It normally goes player to team and the team never reciprocates that loyalty to the player like it's been reciprocated. Because even Tom Brady, every time Tom Brady did all that at the end of the day. What did the Patriots do? It's a dirty game. The game is the game.

Business. Business. Mike Evans, congratulations. One of the great receivers in NFL history. Business. Business. Mike Evans, congratulations. One of the great receivers in NFL history. 11 straight seasons of 1000 receiving yards. We thought that record was in jeopardy. Ocho, remember he pulled his hamstring. He missed three games.

Hey, but Baker said, bro, come on back. I got you. So Mike, congratulations. Very well deserved. 11 straight seasons of 1,000 yards only Jerry Rice has more 14. That's live. And you know at least now Ocho they play with knee pads you know we used to do hard ass dirt we had to knee pads. Knee pads, thigh pads, they got knee pads, thigh pads, hell I mean some

would probably running backs wear, wear a heel pair. But we was out there just, basically we had on tights. To make a long story short, we had on tights. Because we had them taking all the inner workings of our game pants. The lining out and cut all that out. Put all that out. Y'all know who started it. We started it. Y'all faked the Broncos. We cut our pants. And then you had the shoestring for the belt to tie it up.

Yeah. Yeah. But the first person to actually, I want to give Ricky Jackson. Ricky Jackson was the first person I ever saw that had no pants in his pants. And I was like, man, they let you do that? I went out there like, hey, you feel so right, Ocho, because you don't act like, ooh.

I went out there like, hey, you feel so right, Ocho, cause you don't act like, ooh. Hey, and I remember when I came to practice and Mike asked like 84, you gonna play in the game like that? I was like, yeah, he's like, okay. That's on you. Hey, however, he said, come to practice however you going to play in the game. Now, Dan Reed wasn't playing that.

Dan Reed said, look, if you get, if you don't have no pants in and you get a five rules, I'm gonna find you. Let me go and put this thing in. Let me go put these five, put these five pants in there. Let me go put a bit there. I already want to, I already want to, I already want to know how to worry about that. It's just so funny. When we used to practice, right, with Belichick in New England, you could play in the game

however you want to. But Bill in practice, he had everybody looking like the goddamn mannequin in the damn, you know, the mannequin in the equipment room. Yeah, he got an elbow pad, he got a, he got a, oh, do you remember the hand pad we used to have when we were little kids? We'll make everybody, you gotta have your knee pads in, your thigh pads in. Oh my God.

Oh, that would drove me crazy. He ain't play that. If you ain't, I remember I went out there one time, I'm thinking, you know, I'm a veteran. He not gonna trip. Yeah, I go, I'm out there, took the lining out my pants, no knee pad, no thigh pad. Man, Bill sent me in there took the lining out my pants. No knee pads. No that bad man Bill sent me in that send me right back in I had to change my pants get some new pants and put my thigh pads

I'm in the passing Boy, I built a that was a Mike like a if you don't play if you don't play With no knee pads no thigh pads You can't play, if you don't play with no knee pads, no thigh pads, you can't practice without them. Well, hey, I ain't have nothing but hell with the shoulder pads. That's all I had. I didn't have no thigh pads. I didn't play with no mouthpiece.

They like, man, you got, I said, bro, I don't have time. I done, I done slapped hands with somebody. I done hit somebody on their ass because they made a good play. And you think I'm gonna reach in my mouth and pull my mouthpiece out? And plus, I wanna be able to talk ish on command. F you! You sorry, Bon Bon? I ain't got no mouthpiece, just a mouthful of gold.

That's it. Yeah, I had them three sticks of Big Red in my mouth. I was good. Rebel Fresh talking cat ish. Oh, there was some good days, boy. Oh Joe, the question is, has Lamar Jackson won enough to secure the MVP? Draft King Sportsbook still have Josh Allen

as a minus 230 underdog, but he's the favorite, a minus 230, so that means he's the favorite. See what I mean? As Lamar is a plus 185. Is this after the game or before the game?. You see what I mean? As Lamar is a plus 185. Is this after the game or before the game? After. See what I mean? See, that's why I say the vote must already be in.

Somebody knows some. Here's the thing. Your vote don't have to be in until, normally I think our vote had to be in by Monday by noon. Because, you know, you got to vote for all the awards. You got to vote for all the awards you got to vote for all pro because you get a vote you vote for all the all-pro team offense defense kicker coach of the year rookie of the year you know offensive

rookie your defensive rookie of the year MVP comeback player of the year so forth and so on so all that so you obviously and uh it might it might be after the game after the last game but but i'm thinking i'm thinking okay i'm thinking it was noon monday like i said it's been so long ago hell i hadn't worked in uh uh cbs than man and so long i mean i think last year was like the broncos were in the super bowl so that was 2013 it's been like, it's been 12 years. So that was a long, long time ago. But for me, I'm just saying, and I think Josh Ellis had a phenomenal season, but 41 touchdowns with less than five interceptions.

That's impressive because Aaron Rodgers, and we know how gifted Aaron Rodgers is after all the football. I mean you think about all the great quarterbacks. Only two have ever done this. Aaron Rodgers and Lamar Jackson. 900 rush yards with 4,000 passing yards. No quarterback has ever done that. He did it. The second highest quarterback rating in NFL history. He got it. He got a lot of firsts to seconds. He's had a lot, like I said. I'm glad I ain't a voter now.

I'm glad I'm not a voter now. I'm glad I'm not a voter now. I'm not. Yeah glad I'm not a voter now. I'm not. I uh, yeah, I'm biased I want Lamar to win. Yeah, okay Yeah, okay. I mean wow sue me Hello Really sure you're gonna show him that helmet, huh? That was me Uh The football helmet helmet is at the house.

So yeah, I'm biased. I don't want you to want me to tell you. Okay, excuse me. I don't think that's gonna fit now. I might get low and then y'all might have to cut it off my head. Russ! What happened? What are you doing? Get your ass out of bounds.

That's two times. You've done that. Y'all are just not important at this point in time. The clock is. Right. Russ is too veteran of an effing quarterback to keep making these mistakes. It cost him against the Baltimore Ravens.

He tried to, now all of a sudden, he's Josh Allen. He gonna run, I'm Tam Newton. He gonna run somebody over with his small ass. Slide your ass down. In this situation, get your ass out of bounds. Yardage, three yards, is not more important than 15 seconds. Right.

I don't get it. It's like all of a sudden these guys, Ocho, it's like the moment got too big for me, he forgot. What, tell me what you thought was, Ocho, tell me you got one timeout. Why would you not go out of bounds and save that time out as opposed to getting three yards and gotta burn it? Right.

Mm-hmm. But listen, I'm glad it went that way because I sure ain't wanna lose. So at least you got to have better talk management. It's called situation of football. And the really good ones, they understand it. 15, that in Kansas City, there's a reason you get paid $500 million now. There's a reason.

I just, I'm like, bro, I'm like, bro, it's just hard to win when guys in situations, they don't understand. and then you got your, Ocho, it's hard when your best players have bad attitudes. You see, because the thing is, Ocho, you don't wanna get rid of that guy and then have him have that attitude. Have good, good, good attitude because just whatever the case, because we saw what happened in Minnesota with Randy, they wanted to move on.

He goes to the Raiders. He didn't feel appreciated. They wouldn't give him the opportunity. And then, you know, he goes to New England and we see what happened. So the Raiders like, bro, why couldn't we get that? Hey, listen, that's why you have to be cautious. That's why you have to be cautious, you know, and have a little grace and a little leeway for players like that of that caliber that are special.

George Pickens ain't no regular receiver. Eventually that behavior is going to rear his head. And it reared his head in New England, didn't it? Because guess what? And the one guy that wasn't gonna put up with that behavior is you're playing for the guy. So what's the guy's name that's not gonna put up with that behavior?

No matter how great you are, what's his name, Ocho? Bill Belichick. You know what, when I think about that situation, when I go back to it and think about it, remember, like, he didn't really do nothing, he just said, I want the money. It was more to it than that, Ocho. It was more to it than that. It was? Yeah. It was? Hey, Ocho, okay. And then they traded to Tennessee. Okay, he goes to Tennessee. Then what happened?

Different office. Ocho, you see? Now, Minnesota, Oakland, New England, Tennessee, Minnesota again, five teams. And we keep blaming, we keep blaming the team. The 49ers was the last stop. He went there, they went to the Super Bowl, and then he hung it up after that. I just don't get it, Ocho, because the thing is, is that you can steal a year. If you're a great player, they'll allow you to steal a year. If you got- A year, you can steal a few. See, now you cooking.

Now you cooking. And you can steal a few, especially if you ain't no pro. See, now you cooking with Crisco. See, before you was cooking with Pam. You was like, life ain't good. You ain't wanna clog your arteries. Now you got Crisco, you about're cooking with Crisco. See, before you was cooking with Pam, you was like, like, you ain't want to clog your arteries. Now you got Crisco, you about to burn the house down. You know exactly what I'm talking about. They will allow you to steal a couple of years

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app, Apple podcasts, let's go to Pittsburgh. It's ended the season, regular season on four consecutive losses. How hard is it as a team to turn a slide around once you get to the playoffs? Oh, that's a good one. So that's that's four games or five Lost one in a row. I mean What are you I'm trying to think I mean, what can you do outside of play better offensive because the reason they haven't played well Because the office of the morning is more the past four weeks

They've been bad as opposed to how they looked before. They look really good. I'm not sure what's going on with Arthur Smith and the play calling or Russ and his ability to facilitate the ball to the receivers. I don't know what it is. Honestly, I can't tell you. I just know from an offender standpoint, they've been able to run it okay, but the passing game hasn't been what it should be. Because of Ocho, the receivers. I don't know what I'm gonna get. First of all, you remember peak mystery games. But when he's in Ocho, Ocho, I mean,

if he's supposed to roll 10, I don't know. Because Ocho, you know that on that speed out with that 10 roll to 12, Ocho, that thing got it. You gotta throw it on time. Ain't no, ain't no, I'm gonna wait till he get, I'm gonna wait till, this ain't college. Ain't no, ain't no, I'm gonna wait till he get, I'm gonna wait till, this ain't college. In the NFL, the difference between NFL and college, in NFL, you throw people open.

In college, you can wait till they get open. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. These guys are too good, they study too much film, and you throw a ball, waiting till he get open in the NFL, they gonna pick it. It's going the other way. It's going the other way. I'm just gonna say, I'm gonna pick it. It's really that simple.

And it's hard. I think we lost solo. We lost three or four. We lost to Pittsburgh. Who we lose to? Lost to San Fran. We lost to Pittsburgh, San Fran. We lost three or four, but we won.

We lost three games. Then we won the final game of the season against Seattle. And then we had a home game. Cause back then, Ocho, we were the, I don't know what we were. I think there's only three divisions back there. But anyway, we had a home game. We got one home game. And then we had to go on the road.

We had to go to Kansas City and we had to go to Pittsburgh. But the thing was, is that the teams that we were playing Ocho, we had already played. So it was a lot of familiarity. And we felt that because they beat us, they really weren't gonna change anything. Which gave us an opportunity to change a lot about what we did. Because if I win, why would I, why would I change anything?

I would. We knew that. We know you're not going to change anything. Can't help yourself. Then now we take it. Now we took advantage of that, but it's tough. But like I said, Ocho, I think me personally, I think the Steelers overachieve. I don't think they're a great

team. I don't look at them as a great team. You don't think so? They're not a great team offensively, they're a great team defensively. That's their identity. Their identity has always been offense. Well as opposed to when Rothenberger was there, they were off the juggernaut. Then, you know, even the defense was good. Here's the thing, the Steelers have always prided themselves on defense until they got Ben and then all of a sudden they started getting those receivers and they started throwing the football. So when they got Ben, they had Ben, they had Le'Veon, they had AB, they was like,

we're just going to outscore you. Oh, absolutely, cause they could run it, they could throw it. The defense was good, but the championship level teams that they have, it was still a defensive baseball team. When they had Lamar Woodley, they had James Harrison, they had Ferrier, they had Foote, they had Troy, they had Ike, they had Ryan Clark, they were a defensive team. Ocho, Seahawks rookie D.T. Byron Murphy Descented took his teammates out for dinner and was pranked with a fake dinner bill of $155,000.

His reaction was priceless. His actual dinner bill, uh, wasn't much better. It was $38,000. Hey, that's good. Ocho, did y'all ever prank the rooks? Was it much better? It was $38,000. Hey, that's good. Ocho, did y'all ever prank the rooks? Listen, I had, I mean, as when I was a veteran, I didn't, I didn't make the rookies do, do rookie night. I did. Now when I was a rookie, I'd never forget Peter Ward, Darnay Scott, Ron Dugan's, Danny

Farmer was there at the time, TJ. Now I had to pay for Ricky dinner that night. I can't remember what the price was, but it was a little hefty, but 38,000, thinking about that, that ain't much, huh? That ain't much. When you look at some of the linemen, when the linemen go out, man,

I've seen some of those receipts. When the boys go out, boy, it'd be expensive. Well, you start ordering, you start ordering that King Louie. You order that King Louie at 500, $1,000 a shot. You get like 15 shots of that. And then they go order that big one. They go order a bottle of wine that end up costing like 10 grand.

You get the big one, you get the lobster. You know, they bring the lobster round on the wagon. The lobster, this big, the wagon, I know y'all have seen it. They bring the lobster round in the wagon. He think he going for a ride, little do he know. He thought. He thought.

He thought. He thought. He thought. He thought. He thought. He thought. He thought. He thought.

He thought. He thought. He thought. He thought. He thought. He thought. Hey, them boys, they don't be playing, boy. They don't be playing, look, Portis and Ashley Lilley, they're rookie night out. We hit them for about 22,000. See, that ain't bad, thank you. You know, me, I had to have a limo, cause I didn't want nobody, cause they gonna go other places. I had a relationship. Y'all not finna didn't want nobody to come. They gonna go other places. I had a relationship.

Y'all not finna get me broken up in the middle of the seats. I don't know. I know, I don't know about it. I don't know about it. I ain't fooling with y'all. It is. Same thing I tell my homeboys when they come. You know, hey Sean, come on, let's go. I know bro. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.all. Same thing I tell my homeboys when they come. You know, hey, Sharp, come on, let's go out.

No, bro, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're not finna mess with my home at least. Right. No, absolutely not. I get some of my tea. Hey, hey, bro, you going out? Yeah, man, Sharp. Hey, my homeboys in town.

Man, Sharp, you know we got him. Hey. There you go. You good. Yeah, but other than that, old joke. Now listen, if you're a rookie and you're not only a rookie and you're a first round pick, man, listen.

What? Oh, we're rookie cause we're going to get you. Cause I got a limo. I got a limo. Cause I got a limo by myself. Daddy sent a limo for me. Cause I wasn't going out with them. Ocho, I wasn't going out with them afterwards.

So I needed a limo that would go take me back because I ain't want to. Hey, no, no, no, no, I'm going home. So but, you know, back there, I think you had to get limo for like, for like five, six hours, seven hours. It was probably like a hundred dollars an hour. It wasn't no sweat like that. But the only thing I made sure about you, I wouldn't let you. Get stuff to take home. I don't care if your mom, I don't care if your dad, I don't let you get stuff to take home.

I don't care if you're mom, I don't care if you're dad, I don't care if you're anything. You're not getting stuff to, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we're not gonna do that. Quickly us. Us, us, us. So that was like 22,000, I mean, you know, the guy that ordered King Louis, they order, you know,

like a 15th, a Petruse, Bolliver, you know, we, you know, the guy that ordered King Louis, they order, you know, like a 15th, uh, uh, protrude, Baleville, you know, uh, wine or Rothschild, whatever it was. They get a couple of bottles of that. I said, bro, y'all. But, you know, they gotta get, they gotta get the most expensive steak. They gotta get the lobster. They gotta get the ma everything. So it, it, it, it, it didn't cost them. I mean, 22,000 wasn't that, wasn't that much.

Uh, but oh yeah, you gonna pay. Oh yeah. If somebody say, oh, I wouldn't pay. Oh yeah, you would go take it out. You won't pay. Oh, it's coming. You were not going to allow you a tradition that's been handed down the first round draft pick a second round.

That a lot of times we let them y'all pull together a lot of times the first round draft pick, second round, a lot of time, we let them, y'all pull together a lot of times, the first round I had to pay dinner for myself. I remember to hit my brother, I think to hit my brother for like 12, 13 grand. But the thing is, is that you got to do that. If you're a rookie, you got to bring donuts, you got to bring breakfast sandwiches, you've got to bring food to the plane. I did it. You know how many times I'm hustling and bustling. I'm dressed like Jethro Boudin, tie hanging all up.

Man, about to fall off my ass. Man, don't you don't laugh, don't you. Cause I gotta go, man, this is you. He want Kentucky fried chicken. He want Popeyes. He want this. I gotta go all around the go, man, he won't Kentucky Pride ticket. He won't Popeyes. He won't this. I got to go all the Pride of the Place match. No, hell no.

That's why I was like, I got to make the team. All this they got me doing. I'm going to have me somebody doing this for me. Oh man. Hell no. But we did all that rookie singing, Ochoa. I went big into the haze and we make rookies say, we might steal their car and drive that off

or something like that. But all that, I ain't cut nobody hair cause they ain't nobody cut my hair cause it really been a bit of, you cut my hair, it gonna be a problem. So we not gonna do that. So we didn't cut anybody hair. You know at at Baltimore we take the rookies to the goal post Put them in the cold tub, yeah, we

Table them up and put them in the cold tub stuff like that. Oh Joe, but mainly we make them say not your album I don't want to hear about your fight song. I don't want to hear about your album model You got to say some Luther van draws Barry white. I don't want to hear about your album model. You got to sing some Luther Van draws Barry White. I don't care. Whenever you know the words to. Other than your damn fight song. So, but yeah, but that was that was a yeah, that was back in the day. That was back. Yeah, we used to steal people cars and stuff like that. It's funny.

Because the past the time is like grown men, we behave like eight, seven, eight year old. Kids, yeah. Oh, it was a good day. Armand Ross said, Brown, thanks to NFL should make a rule change. Now we're not going to change the rule because y'all might lose the game. It'd be a 14 and win a 14 win team and go on the road. That is how we do it.

It's been like that. Oh, Joe. So well, listen, they go on team and go on the road. That is how we do it. It's been like that. OK, so listen, they go on. They go into Minnesota, right? They play Minnesota tomorrow. Minnesota comes to them. Oh, Minnesota comes to them. Yes. So they already beat Minnesota on the walk.

They kick the field goal. What is he complaining about then? Because they might lose, be 14 and 0, and they have to start the season on the road. Yeah, listen, that's nothing you should even worry about. Especially that goddamn high-powered offense. There should be nothing you worry about, whether you're playing home or the way. I understand the advantage that players and teams have playing at home,

but listen, the way y'all rocking offensively right now, I wouldn't care if we was playing in the Sahara Desert. As long as Dan Campbell is my coach, and he got that wheelbarrow with him cojones, he carrying him every time he's coaching. I'm not tripping. I am not tripping. Yeah. He, uh, so I don't agree.

Um, I think we are not both. We don't agree cause the rules are the rules. We're not going to change the rule because we have an anomaly. How many times the 14 win team has had to start on the road? So, so one time it happened in the, in the hundred plus year history. Now we're going to make a rule. So what? Nah, it was, it was, it was a great suggestion.

Yeah. But, but the team, you know, and, and how y'all are playing on the road and at home, it really don't matter. It don't matter. So, no, no, what he's saying to Ocho is that if we have a better record than a division winner, we should be at home and they should have to go to the road. They want a division. That's the reward you get for winning the division is that you get to play at least one game at home. I see what you're saying. No! They want a division! That's the reward you get for winning the division!

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