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Store more and do more with your data. Try them for free at wasabi.com. All right, Joe, according to Shams, four-time NBA All-Star, Tray Young, and his agent are working with the team on a trade. Young's rep and the Hawks general manager, Ansi Salah, have reportedly begun positive and collaborative talks over the past week on finding a resolution. The Hawks and Young agents have maintained dialogue over the future of his future, over the past several months since the franchise elected not to offer the contract

extension to a 27 year old guard young have this season and next at 95 million total on the deal with a player option in the off season young has been the face of the franchise since he was drafted in 2018 and since as the team's all-time leader in three points three-pointers and assists he has led and led to the postseason three times in his eight years including a run in the Eastern Conference Finals in 2021. But the Hawks appear poised to turn the page to a new era with the emergence of Jalen Johnson, who's averaging 24 points a game,

10.2 rebounds and 8.5 assists, and free agent acquisition to kill Alexander Walker, who's averaging a career high 20 points. Joe, what is the best trade scenario for the Hawks and trade at this point? I've been, Okay, Ocho, I've been hearing a lot. I'm honestly, honestly, I don't know what's the best trade scenario, but due to, you know, Nikita Alexander, you know, he stepped up.

He's been playing, I mean, he's having a career season. You get guys like Vic come off the bench, the Daniels kid who's been playing. Dyson Daniels. But I think we run into kind of a similar situation that Dallas ran into. They didn't want to pay Luke on no 300. right and i think this is kind of kind of similar i don't think that the hogs don't want tray i just don't think they at that number at that max dollar number you know what i mean so instead of probably letting them just walk they're gonna have to trade them they're going to have

to trade them and get some of value for him uh i'm for the play i'm with the players where i want guys to get their money and at the end of the day i know tray want to get paid so you know they I'm sure they're going to figure out a situation to put him in to where he can still thrive, do his thing, and get paid at the end of the day. The problem that they're going to run into Joe and Ocho is that teams are going to be unwilling

to give up young pieces for you to get back because he wants to go to a situation where he can win. It'll be like, if you're not careful, you'd be like Carmelo. Carmelo left the Nuggets to go to the Knicks, but the Nix had to give up all the pieces to get him.

And so if we got there, nothing this is not a situation where you know like a kd kd walking to the golden state they still had clay they still had step they still had draymond yeah they still had to get they still had pieces around when you trade all-star i mean normally you have to you got to strip it down and who wants to be stripped down and and and go into that situation man i've been uh i mean i mean i I can only go off the things that I've been seeing in here. But I've seen him going to the Wizards for C.J. McCullum just because the contracts work out. And CJ will be on the expiring contract.

So the Hawks will probably take it. But you never know. I'm telling you, it's going to be some big moves made around here, man, come February in the NBA. It's going to be some big names. It's going to be moved. And at the end of the day, bro, just, Trey got it. He got to stay strong in faith, bro, keep his head right. But I know he want to get paid.

Out of anything, I know he want to get paid. Because he's looking at it like, man, I've been to four, I've been to four All-Star games. I've been an all-N-B-A selection. I've led to league and assist. I've been a 20-10 guy. Numerous of time. Yeah, I've had a career high.

I think I've averaged 27, 28 points a game while averaging double-digit assist. And I see guys getting $250, $300 million. I want my slice of it. And I can't say that I blame him. Yeah, I don't either. But who is going to, where can he get, where can he get that? Because I don't, I mean, you, I mean, for you to win with a small guard as your lead guy, it ain't happened very often. It's not, it doesn't happen very often.

I mean, if you go back and you look at stealth, you look at. Isaiah Thomas, Iverson. I mean, when you look at it, I mean, Iverson lost the shack and ain't no shame in losing the shack in Kobe when you're a one-man show. But for the most part, small guards, you're not winning with them, Joe. You're not six, six foot, I mean,

if Trey lucky to be six, six foot guards in today's game? Yeah. Yeah, it's, today's game is a little different. You play in positionless basketball on Joe. These dudes, it's not necessarily, it ain't but a handful of teams who really have a center on their team. The rest of them playing with like-sized guys who are very interchangeable and can play multiple positions. Right. You know what I mean?

So, and the Hawks kind of have that. And they've been pretty successful, you know, in playing those big lineups. So, I mean, it's unfortunate, bro, but I'm sure they're probably going to end up trading him. I just hope he goes to a situation that's suitable for him. but for a winning situation, Ocho. I don't know many teams. Go ahead. He can go ahead, Ocho.

I was going to ask, no, I'm getting my basketball knowledge on. So I've been watching a little bit, seeing what's going on with the NBA, understanding the landscape. And when I look at it, even though he's short and what he does, I know he's a liability on defense, but what about what he brings for you offensively? His offensive production is much, much higher than most at his position, even though he is short.

wouldn't that be advantageous for a team to be able to trade for him based on what he can do offensively even though he's the liability on defense? I think offensively, Ocho, I don't have no problem with him offensively because he makes guys around him better.

You know what I mean? He's a guy who can go out there and get you 30. He can go out, get you 15, 17 assists with it. You know what I mean? So he can make guys around him better. I think it's more so the defensive end that the team's going to have to kind of make

up. You know what I mean? But I think he's a hell of a player, bro. And I've been watching for quite some time. And like I said, these guys have made quantitative leaps and bounds, meaning the Atlanta Hawks. But I just feel like with Trey out there, bro, I thought that he would bring a element to him that they all would still thrive. And I've been watching the games when he's been playing and they just hadn't been resulting in the wins. But they've been putting up monster numbers, bro. I got a question. I got a question, too. Now, you got job around, right? right yeah you got tray young um my young bull new york nicks boy guard um bronson bronson now if i'm not mistaken is brunson like this elite elite defender but you but he's a score

in jama in jama ron and jamborant and elite defender but what they did but he's a score elite defenders around him you look at you look at what judge heart you look at over O.G. You look at Mitchell Robinson, Mikhail Bridges. You see what they're surrounded with? Elite defenders. You look at, you look at what they had in Memphis. They had Dylan Brooks.

They had Jackson, the third. You had a Stephen Adams and now you got Edie. So yeah, but see the thing is, it's hard, it's hard to win when you got three or four defenders on there, unless you got guys like

OKC, but those guys can score and defend. And the thing is that they understand, this is Shay's team. J. Dub is number two. Chet's number three. Everybody understands the pecking order. And it's like when we come in, if we want to get shots, we got to defend an elite level. Yeah.

They defense create offensive opportunities. Yeah. Shea is taking full shots. If they play 82 games, the game that Shea play, he's going to take the most shots damn it every night. Right. No matter what. So you understand that, but it's just hard.

You look at Lucas another one. And see, the problem is if it's a nip-tuck ball game, I'm putting Trey in the pick and roll every night. The whole night in the clutch time, the last five minutes of the ball game, the game within five points, Trey Young asses in Pick and Roll. Luca Donch's asses in Pick and Roe. Oscar Reeves' asses and pick and roll.

Yeah. It's almost damn unfair that you, these players that are, that give you such high volume and such high offensive output, it's almost like they villainized for being able to do it. Because something has to give. You can't be both on, you can't be great on both ends of the floor.

Yes, you can. I mean, Joe, it's only so many. I know, I know it's only so many, But Ocho, I think that the effort, the energy and effort has to be there. Like Joe says, it's effort. You got to want to play defense. Man, you got to play defense, bro. Like, you got to want to do that.

You know what I mean? Like, that's got to be kind of in you. And it's hard to find, bro. It is. It is. It is hard to find guys who really want to defend. Everybody so caught up and scoring the basketball, making a sweet pass.

But you ain't going to never find a lot of dudes who want to pick up full court and get down and dirty and play defense, bro. That's hard to find it. because those guys don't get max contracts to do that. The guys, the shades get max contract, the Lucas, the Yokicists, the Yonis, those guys get the max contract, the Jason Tatum's. Those are the guys that get the max contract.

So, also it's just like wide receivers. Who gets the max contract? Guys that catch the football, not blockers. They get the football, not the blocker, yeah. Yeah, I got you. Hey, hey, look, you look at them teams that Iverson played on, In the Philly team, it was all the defenders, he was the only offense.

And he was the only one out there going, hey, wide. He could shoot a shot he wanted to. You know what I mean? He didn't need somebody to take the ball out for it. Somebody got to take the ball out, Ocho. DeKimbebette wasn't trying to get no shots. Tyrone Hill wasn't trying to get no shots. Erick Snow wasn't trying to get no shots.

McKee wasn't trying to get, hey, no, they, your job is to get the ball off the glass and pitch it back out to me if I miss. Hey, hey, you laugh. Hey, Ocho, you laughing, but he had all blue collar workers, bro. Yeah. I'm talking about dudes doing all the dirty work. All the dirty work. Man, that's crazy.

So you can't play like that now, eh. It's over with it. Nah, that money, that money doesn't got, look, I think guys want to win, but I think guys want to get paid more. I want to get, I want to win, Ocho and Joe, but I want to win trying to get me 25 and seven. Can I do that? I ain't really tried to win to get.

10 and see the thing is it's going to be hard ocho because it's just like any it's just like anything how you ask a receiver to go from catching 100 balls or 90 100 110 balls all of a sudden we need you to catch 50 but you're going to win man damn that right now if you get him if you get him coming in and that's what he's used to he cool with it right but you didn't let him Tray Young's an average 27 points and 10, 11 assists. You don't let him get to the All-Star game, being all-N-B-Slection, average of 25-27.

And now all of a sudden you say, now, you know, we need you to average 18, but we need to play a little. Oh, no. Yeah. But I think wherever he do go, I think he's going to thrive, though. He's going to get back to,

he's going to get back to that 25, 27 points a game, let him assist wherever he go because he's probably going to have to go play with a bunch of young guys. If I'm just keeping it 100. Yeah, he's going to pull up from anywhere. I just think the thing, Joe, it's going to be hard for him to be in a winning situation and play the style that he used to play in.

Yeah. Yeah. We'll see. It's hard, man. It's hard. Now, KD, change teams? Okay, you know what KD is. KD is extremely efficient.

KD don't need, but somewhere between 12 and 17 shots to get you 30. Yonis, you know, Yonis is a fishery because Yonis is Euro stepping, he dunked it. Every once in a while, he'll get hot and hit turnarounds. But you know what you get it. You know, but you know what you get in with those guys. It's hard, man, it's just hard. And I feel bad because you look at it the way the landscape is around the league. I'm trying to look where he can go and be in a winning situation and still be himself.

That place he can go and get those numbers. But I don't know if you're going to be able to challenge for a championship. I mean, he can go to a winning situation. It may not be 25 and 10. He may be about 20, 20, and 8. But I just feel like because even though he's so great in handling the basketball and making plays for himself and others, I feel like he can play off the ball as well.

Like I've seen him play. I've seen multiple games this year to where he's had, you know, big scoring nights, you know, playing off Jalen Johnson versus Jalen Johnson and playing off him as well. So it's kind of, it's like, it's just the games that they've played, they haven't been winning. You know what I mean?

The worst thing to happen is that he got injured and they got a long, extensive look at Jalen Johnson. They got a long, extensive look at those other guys. Ocho, that's why starting quarterbacks don't like to get no backup, no reps.

Payton ain't let nobody get no reps. Tom wasn't letting nobody get no reps. Drew wasn't letting anybody get the damn reps. Because the last thing, I know how I got my black guys. ass on the field. Oh, excuse me, my white ass on the field. Because somebody let me get a look.

I ain't tried to do that. So him being out hurt him, but it was a blessing for the Hawks because they're like, hold on. I don't know if Jalen Johnson would have been able to do this if Trey's healthy because Trey's going to dominate

the ball, Joe, and he's going to have the ball in his hands. And I don't know if Jalen Johnson is going to have the ball in his hands. I don't know if these other guys are, Walker, I don't know if they're going to be able to do what they do. I think Walker's been the biggest surprise. Uncle, Ocho, he averaged eight points last year a game in Minnesota. That man averaging 20 points a game.

I'm talking about he fishing. And he came up the bench. If he's still coming up to pitch or he's starting now, Joe. No, he's starting. He's starting now. He's balling. He's doing his thing, man. They got a multitude of dudes that's really getting to it over here playing great.

probably having career years as well. So I guess they're going to kind of ride it out, see whatever they're going to try to add. What's up? It's Cam Jordan. I'm back with season three of your favorite podcast, The Off The Edge with Cam Jordan podcast. Tap in every Wednesday to hear conversations with my friends and stars from the NFL,

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and podcasts. Catch new episodes every Wednesday on the IHeart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Wasabi Hot Cloud Storage. Store more and do more with your data. Try them for free at wasabi.com. Damn. Joe, the New York Knicks owner James Dolan

in a rare radio interview says the Knicks can win the NBA finals as constructed. I'd say we want to get to the finals and we should win the finals. This is sports. Anything can happen. Getting to the finals we absolutely have to do. winning the finals, we should do. Look, how far are we got with our group last year?

And look at what's playing and who wasn't? We're going into the second half of the season. Josh Hart is still out. Landry Shannon is coming back. We got depth. We stay healthy. We'll get into the playoffs in a much better condition than last year. Joe, do you believe the Knicks currently constructed can get to and win the NBA championship?

I think they can get to the finals, Uncle Ocho. You know, like the key word is that he said was staying healthy. You know, you got to stay healthy, man. The playoffs is a different atmosphere. It's a different pace and game. Guys playing extra hard. So, you know, you got to say healthy, but at the same time, man, you got to look at the Pistons, the Celtics,

who we didn't even think was going to even be in the running. Jaylon Brunson. I mean, Jalen Brown. Ooh, J.B. Brown, yeah. Got a 50-p. He's doing his day. Average of damn near 30.

Yeah, ever since he got to, ever since he stopped putting their airport. Yeah, yeah, he'd let it go. Yeah, he's been getting to it. So, uh, I think, yeah, I think the Knicks got a chance, man. They got, they definitely got a chance. They got, they got Molly Wapped in, in Detroit tonight, but I think they definitely got a chance, man. They got a chance, though.

Yeah, I agree. Uh, I like the Sixers, but I just don't know if Gerald and B will ever be what Joel and B once was. Because Tyreeze Max and Edgecom, they bawling. They balling, man. Who, Tyree's Max. I like should be an all-star. Yeah, sure, he is.

He's going to be an all-N-B-A. They may have him 30 a game. He's getting at it. Yeah. Maxie. Yeah. It don't matter if MB play or not, though. He's getting to it, Ocho.

I don't know if they can get to the championship without Embed, I don't know if they can contend because they need Embed. Yeah, they need him. They need him. If he can somehow, you know, stay healthy throughout the playoffs and just be, and be there to where, like, Because even when he's been playing Uncle Ocho, he's still been giving him anywhere from 20, 25 a night.

Yeah. And B he has. Easy. Right now, the Pistons, 27 and 9. The Celtics are 23 and 12. They're in second place. The Knicks are 23 and 13. The Raptors, 22 and 15.

The Sixers are 19 and 15. Orlando Magic is 20 and 16. The Heat 20 and 16. The Cavaliers are 20 and 17. I don't know what happened to the Cavaliers this year. What happened, Joe? Man, I don't need, you know, because it's,

I look at Mobley. I think Mobley has to, he got to go up another level or two for me, Anken Ocho, to help Donovan. I know there's Garland been hurt, and I think he, you know, he stubbed that big toe the other night. So I think that's always,

the injuries going to always linger with him. But Donovan need help, man. He needs something. but he's going to need another guy who can come along and help tote this wagon. Yeah. I don't know. Cleveland, it might be over with that.

It might be over it. It might be over with for that, man. And Donovan still, that is signed Donovan to a long-term deal, have they? I think he's still on the, uh, that Utah deal. Is it? I think so.

I think Donovan probably want to go somewhere else anyway. Do you want to go to the Knicks? Yeah, that's where he want to go. You said Miami? Nah. Hold on. How are you going to go to the Knicks in Brunson there? What are he going to run to?

He need the ball in his hand. They don't fit. Well, he can't go to the Knicks. He signed extension last summer. What do you get? Because he signed a three year 150. Oh, yeah. That was last year?

no he ain't brunson because he needs the ball yeah brunson needs the ball the next got a chance they do they do they got a chance uh they got i know they ride you know you got guys that can defend you got my uh mckell bridges you got o g uh you got josh hart who can defend um you get guys miles mcbride off the bench you got jorne clarkson off the bench that can spark one in a bunch you got mitcher robinson that can defend the and cat, cat, you know, cat on a given night and go get your 40. I just wish sometimes he stops shooting threes

and get his big butt down on block itself, but tall, but hey. Hey, and you know, they still hung over from the in-season tournament that they won too, so I know they're feeling good about that. Hold on, y'all mentioned about the players that, the actual starters that can get your points in what they could do.

What about the bench? What the bench is going to do? They got Miles McBride, Jordan Clark, Mitchell Robinson. They got guys that come up the bench. Defender paint. You know, McKell Bridge is going to play down there 45 minutes.

Well, hopefully Mike Brown don't play them like Thibb's there because you've played them guys 42 minutes in the regular season. Yeah, no, he got it. Mike Brown got it down. He ain't having that over there. I forgot, hey, I forgot Jordan Clarkson was over there in New York. Yeah, he's a dog.

So he's a guy that can come up and give you instant offense off the bench. Miles McBride is instant offense off the bench. Mitchell Robinson, now he's a defender, but he'll get your double-digit rebounds. He might have six points 15 rebounds. But that's what you need. You need somebody to protect the paint.

That's what, that's all you need. Cat, cat is going to be cat. Now, he's in a much better headspace now. Look, he got engaged recently. So normally that normally, a guys normally go to a new level when they get, when they get to and they get that someone solid in their life. Now,

been together for a minute and remember talking to him, I mean, he was like, you know, this is my best friend. When I went through my worst time, you know, the passing of his mother, she was there, she held me down, uh, and he said the same thing and I think, I think her father, her uh, uh, had, uh, passed in the family

and he was there for her. So yeah, I'm happy for cat. I like cat. I just wish you stopped shooting so many threes. Other than that, I got no issue with cat. He ain't gonna do that. He said he's he's the best shooting big man that ever lived. Why is Dirk

added this? Dirk. Naviski. What do you mean where he is? He and he and down. I'm saying, did he not exist? Oh. He said,

he said, Dirk can't shoot the three better than him. Oh, Lord. I understand you what the man said now. I don't know. It's hard for me to take somebody over Dirk when I saw Dirk in his prime. I played against him.

I ain't talking about the last three years of Dirk. I'm talking about Dirk a year. I'm talking about when you're getting to that money. I'm talking about you. The only thing you can do is hold your hand up and hope he missed. Yeah, that was it. And we ain't even mentioned Yoke yet,

but we're going to let that slide. Despite recently celebrating its 44th birthday and his 23rd NBA season, LeBron James thinks his game is still as strong as it's ever been. Speaking to reporters after Sunday's 12, 114 win over the Grizzly, LeBron said, I don't have any holes in my game. That has allowed him to help the Lakers be successful this season.

That statement came after LeBron moved in the second place in the NBA all-time assist list when you combined the regular season and playoff games surpassing banana boat partner Chris Paul. But you have to look, when LeBron didn't have an outside game when he got into the lead. for in order for you to play a long time when the game has evolved, you have to evolve and adapt with it.

He's been able to do that. Absolutely. Yeah. He was made a downhill guy. He went to team. He went to Houston. He got that turnaround. He got better at the three.

Now, his three is a little off this year. He's shooting 30% when he's a career, I think 35% shooter. I think last year he was like 37%. So this year, his free throws are down. His free throws under 70% when I think he's shot 78% last year.

But you've got to realize you're asking him to do something that he really hadn't done his whole career and that's playoff the ball. LeBron normally has the ball in his hands. The majority of the time, Luca, or AR, will have the ball in their hands. So he's having to reinvent himself

in year 23 at the right page of 41. Does he have the athleticism? that he had in his 20s, no. Does he have the athleticism he had this early in the mid-30s? No. But he still got some. He still could get downhill when he wants to. He just can't get down as consistently as he once could.

He still hit that turnaround jump. And if the turnaround jump is falling, you're at his mercy. But the thing is, Ocho, he playing from the shoulders up. Yes. Why the rest of the dude playing from the shoulders down. See, his IQ for the game is so high. You know, he's so intelligent. as a player that he's always going to be effective.

He knows how to affect the game. You know, he lets the game kind of come to him now. Sometimes he's a little bit more aggressive, but for the most part, he kind of feels the game out, and he kind of brings what he feels the game, what he feel is needed in order for them to get over the hump. It's still impressive to watch him play, man. He still looks like he's in great shape.

And for me, that's probably the biggest key, Arkansas and Ocho, because once you get up in age, it's hard to keep that weight off you, man. Hey, hey, who you, hey, who are you telling? Look. I think, it is, Joe. It's also hard. As you get older, the biggest thing that I noticed when I got older, I just couldn't do it with the same frequency as I once could.

I could have a big game. But I wasn't going to put them things that I wasn't going to be stringing them together. LeBron used to go 30, 30, 30, 30, 40, 40, 30, 40, 20, 25. 28 now is 17 is 8 26 28 15 it's just as you get older you just can't your body just and you still got the same mind yeah he don't but you know what it is he don't he don't be pressing out there no you know he he looks for those other guys to get those other guys involved to where the game can become easier for him you know what I mean So I think it's just as impressive to watch him nowadays

and it was when he was younger because when he was younger, he was all athleticism. He was using that to the T. Now he's just outsmarting these guys now, man. And that's what happens. You have to evolve, you have to play the game with your mind because you lose athleticism. And when you're so reliant on that,

when that goes, what can you do? That's why it's so hard. Right. For speed guys to play, I mean, that's what I take. Work on your technique. because you're not going to be as fast you're not going to be as strong you're not going to be able to jump as high

but that technique being able to get in and out of them breaks Ocho Oh yeah gotta keep in the league another year too Oh yeah Man Joe I didn't

Hey Ocho I didn't know this Joe let me know if this If you play three years in the league you get what medical You play four years in the league Your family get it

You play five years in the league. Everybody get it for life. It's something like that. It's something like that. I don't know about the three, four years, but I know. Because I saw Yavaseli. He had the Knicks. He was saying that's why he's going to play in the NBA.

Oh, for the medical. Yes. Well, hey, look, the medical benefits have been good. If that's what you all, if that's what you want to know, they've been good. I ain't going to lie to you, boy. Damn. They don't get down,

they don't hook y'all up in football like that? You get five years, Joe. The first, the first five years when you got. No, the three years you get your pension. Four years is medical. And five years, the family get medical forever. I'm talking about, oh, you're saying if you play. Yes, yes, in the NBA.

Y'all got, no, we don't get that. No matter how long you play, you get it for five years. That's it. You get it while you play it and five years after you play. You get to take it any five years you want to. Hey, that's a cold game,

what? Hey. But look, it's been impressive to watch. A lot of people are going to have to come up with some new podcasts because they ain't going to be no more

hating on LeBron because what are they going to say then? Yeah. And they're going to, Hey, let me tell you something. They're going to miss that man when he's gone, bro. Like, I know people talk a lot of trash. He got a lot of people who love him and love him,

but he also got people who hate him as well. But, boy, I'm telling you, they're going to miss that boy when he's gone. They're going to miss him. Uh-oh. But look, that's where we are right now. Look, I mean, he's 41. He ain't getting no younger. He wants to stay in the game.

He's going to have to evolve your game. You have to evolve. And I can't believe people expect that a man 41 years old talking about he don't play no defense. What 41 years? Let me ask you question. When Ben Wallace was 35, was he playing defense like he was when he was 25, 26?

DeKembe Metumbo, was he playing defense like he was? What about Rodman? So you mean to tell him you expect somebody in their 40 to play defense like they did in the 20s in the early 30s? Come on, chat. Well, you know, they hold, you know, they hold LeBron to a different standard. And the real fact that y'all got those kind of expectations

let you know just how great he was. Yeah. Because let's be real. Y'all didn't have the same level of expectation to be COVID, you're 16, you're 17, you're 18, you're 19, you're 20. George, you what y'all tell you, man, that was just ceremony. Oh, but I said, well, if he didn't win a championship,

would have been a ceremonial ring? No. But, LeBron, you just got to, different level of expectation. That's when you know you great. When people still see you like you were when you was 20. When you're your 20s and early 30s, and they still hold you to that standard,

that's when you know you great. Yep. When they feel like it ain't never supposed to be no dip in nothing. And we've no seen it. Tom Brady, Manny, they had the same expectation. When Tom was in year, what, 23, 21, 22, 23. Man, Tom, she's going to.

Marty, you do realize the man, 43, 44. And you still expect him to be out of it? Yep. Man, the man, they gave Peyton Manning a 10% chance to ever be able to have the full feeling in his right arm. Well, he paid Manning. Damn. I didn't give him no grace, no.

When you great, They expect you to be great forever. You think they give, they don't give, uh, Rinaldo or Cristiano Ronaldo any great leave. We do the Ocho. They expect you to be great. Leo Nell Messi.

No leeway. They're expecting, yeah, the expectations are high for them. With the amount of money them boy making over there? Hey, they're different. Oh, Joe.

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Number one, lamello ball. Ocho? Joe, let me go to you first. Hold on. They get right, Ocho, or Joe, what did they get wrong? They say Michael Porter, Jr., overrated. That man, every almost 26. It's a game, man.

Man, that man over there balling, he told you all what he's going to do. He said he was going to have about 25 inches. He after about 26 a game. He just gave the, he just gave the Nuggets to bidding his last night. I don't think they write on that one. They got that one that one that wrong. What about Kaminga? Saying he's overrated.

I don't think Kaminga overrated. I think he needs to be in a situation where, you know, he could play, actually. I mean, Kurt just ain't messing with her. I don't know. Why you sign him? Why just let not let him go? Why are you bringing back y'all do all this hullabal loo and bring it back to just sit in park his ass on the bench?

Because it's like that, it's like that ex-girl when y'all broke up. You don't want nobody else to happen. You don't want them, but you don't want nobody else to have. You, y'all don't broke up so you ain't seen it in a little while. So when you see it again, you're like, oh, okay, we might can make this work. He's kidding me. They just ain't playing them. What you do with?

They call you, you ain't heard from somebody in three months. What you doing? Not talking to you? You know you miss me big head? You know, you know, they throw their big head in there. Well, you know, kind of. Then they got Paulo Bankero and then was number two, and lamello ball was number one.

But I don't know about Paolo, man. Paulo balling. And he'd be bawling. I don't think his numbers ain't been what they were. What they were last year when he was an All-Star, huh? Yeah, they ain't been there. And I think because La Mello ain't never won being in Charlotte, everybody got him overrated.

Right. And Lamello or, hey, Joe, a lamello or baller, man. Yeah. Yeah, he'll hear who. He's a who he, listen, he's the, when you talk about Hoopers, He's that. Every essence of it.

You know, maybe a little flashy for some coaches. But, hey, listen, he's a joy to watch. He's a player that will put butts in the seats because if you're going to watch the goddamn hornish play, you're going to watch motherfucker Lamello. Yeah. He's going to give you some highlights. But shit being stuck in Charlotte.

Ooh, all right. Yo, we don't get your basketball talk. Now we're going back to football. Oh, pro football talk reported. Russell Wilson has a parting gear for the Giants in the form of it. inevitable NFL investigation regarding two, oh, excuse me, regarding an undisclosed grade two hamstring tear, he says he suffered on the last play of practice week

two game against Dallas. Russ responded to the report saying, not the Giants fault. They did not know because I didn't want to tell anyone because of the circumstances. I had to play through and try to go out there and ball that day. thought we were going to win that wild crazy game wow Ocho what you making this Ocho

I mean listen it happens all the time huh most of the time players get hurt especially with concussion that too they want to play Joe I mean you know too you don't want to let not just yourself

down you don't want to let your teammates down you don't and you don't want to you don't want to allow someone else to take you drafted the quarterback in the first round on show and that's exactly why he got his ass out there on that goddamn field regard what injury he suffered in practice i'm not let i'm not letting my spot up if i'm gonna lose it i'm not gonna lose it on the bench right uh-uh that ain't happening ain't happening hey i'm i'm with you on that hey that little hamstring you're gonna have to take this thing up but you think i'm gonna squander this opportunity and sit over here

because I got a hurt hamstring? No, and listen, and Malesis is already short. Malice is already short anyway because he drafted him. So I know at some point I got to go anyway, but I'm going to go on my terms. Hold on who he do this against? I think it was the last pay of practice before the Dallas game. The man threw for almost five, he threw for $4.50, didn't he?

They lost in overtime, if I'm not mistaken. He got bent, he got binsed the next week. After that game. He had a hell of a game, Joe. Yeah, I was watching. I couldn't believe it. He was out there cooking, boy. That's the one Malik neighbors went crazy towards the end, huh?

What do you end up with? Shit, you man, threw a career high against her. That ain't saying much, though, Joe. Everybody threw a career high against y'all. I'm just saying, got to start the job for the rest of the year against y'all. You ain't lying. You ain't lying. You ain't lying.

I wish you were right. They won another game after that, Ocho. I'm with you, will you right? And my blood pressure of watching the Cowboys, man. He got, no, he got bitched after the Chiefs game. Yeah, he threw $4.50 that game against the Cowboys. Yeah. I think the thing is, look, the last two years,

you know who had the biggest cowboys? number on the Broncos on show uh he going on that ain't he oh oh yeah carried the biggest cap number against for the Broncos the last two years he was the highest paid player and wasn't on the team man he wouldn't get me y'all nothing in devil man what happened I don't wait boy your guess is good as mine damn you probably should be a little leery if a team wanting to get off a quarterback

because they're so hard to come by, Ocho. They are so hard to come by Joe and for a team to be willing to trade you, you couldn't offer. You couldn't offer. I mean, and not to say Russ was a top five quarterback, but Russ was in the MVP running for

a couple of years and then he would, you know, falter down the stretch. But Russ, you could make a case that Russ was a top 10 quarterback in Seattle those last couple years, don't you? Absolutely. That would be a great argument. That would be a great debate

because he actually was. So, and then he wanted a contract and there's like, nah, we see slippage. And, you know, he wanted out. They found Denver. Damn. And then Sean Payton got there

and all hell broke loose. Sean old school. I don't know if you ever been around Sean, but Sean. Yeah, I know, I know, yeah,

I know Mr. Payton well, yeah. Old school. He don't play, he don't play none of that. He don't play none of that. Uh-uh.

He's Parcells. You know Parcells don't play none of that. So those guys, you know, come up like that, that's how they coach. He's like that. He's like,

nah, this here, no, we're not having this. And, but you got to be strong to play for Sean. You got to be strong.

Yeah, because he's going to be, he talked crazy. reckless. Yeah. You remember when Bo Nick snapped on him, snapped back on him on last year? You remember how he was yelling?

The offensive lineman jump. You remember in Detroit? Oh, Joe, we talked about it. The offensive lineman jump, Russ could have to the sideline and he undressed Russ. I'm like that. Oh, Joe.

Man, if you don't get out my face. How are you mad at me because he jumped? Hey, shoo. Ain't nothing like them old school coaches, boy. Yeah. But these new guys ain't used to that. They ain't used to coaching like that, Joe, Joe. No, they can't, they can't take that.

They can't handle it. They can't take that. It's very fragile now. Yeah. It's very. You got to be everybody friend. You got to tell everybody how great they are. I, I, I just.

Hey, they shut down quick, boy. Ocho, they gone. Tour is open to a fresh start after he was benching the team's final three games of the season. when he spoke about after McDaniel's decision on December 17th, to a decline to comment on whether he had played his final game for the Guppies. Well, his tone shifted during the team's locker room clean out today would ask if he'd like a fresh start at the events this season. That would be dope, he said.

I would be good with it. Yeah, I mean, listen, listen, he's probably fed up at this point. He's given that organization, that franchise, everything they can. he's gotten hurt multiple times he's had concussions and I think for him a change of scenery would be fascinating

I think he'd welcome that I think he'd enjoy it he deserves that now I'm not sure we can go we can still have a fair shot I'm not sure we can go to still have a fair shot

to be a starting quarterback but a change of scenery would be good for him I mean you bro I would love from the star somewhere uncle but we're a sports car in Wyoming

What you're going to do with it? You need a pickup truck. Where are you going to go? That was a good one. That was a good one. You're a sports car and where I got to write that down. Hold on. I'm going to put that in my notes.

I'm trying. I just, I don't know. I mean, when you look around, I mean, are teams going to be willing to give compensation? He got two years still guaranteed on that contract, Ocho. Yeah. What they own? What, probably about $80 million?

Oh, 90. So he get that regardless to where he go, though, right? But the other team, whoever he go to, they got to pay, right? Yes. But you have dead cap money on your cap. Mm-hmm. Oh, Tua. So we have a $56 million cap hit next year.

Uh-huh. I wonder if they're on with... He got a $56 million cap hit. If they cut him before June 1st, it's basically $100 million dead cap. Woo! Damn. No, I don't see it. see a team taking on the salary. I don't.

You're going to be right there with the guppies. So what should you think? Where are you going to be at? They'll probably release him, let him go pick on somebody else. Somebody else let me look. Ocho, if I know if I know your house about to go in floor closure, I'm just going to let, hey, unless you drop the price, I ain't going to get it. I'll get it out of foreclosure.

I know you're going to try. I know you, I know you want him gone. I know he wants to be gone. Right. Why am I going to give you draft capital for? Okay, you take a fourth round of four. No, let me take it. You take a fifth or six round the four? They're like, nobody's going to take on that salary.

They don't want that. Yeah. Yeah. So hold on. Let me understand this. Let's see if they do release it, right? He still gets. He still gets money.

Yes. The same thing with Russ. Remember, the Broncos released him, and they still owe him $38 million. Right. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

I think a change the scene would be good for him. I agree. Where? I'm not sure. Ocho, Texas Tech, new quarterback one, Brandon Sorbsby, will reportedly earn more in one season of NIL than the value of Shador's contract, Shador Sanders, entire four-year rookie contract. Shadour's four-year rookie contract is $4.6 million.

Brandon Sorsby will get an estimated $5 million from Texas Tech in one year. In 1987, SMU got the death penalty. They're the only team to receive the death penalty, which means they did away with the football program for paying players $61,000. In 2026, the Texas Tech player, Texas Tech team will pay the quarterback $5 million. I mean, listen, that's where the game is gone, huh?

That's where it's gone. You know, for premium passers, this is what they get. But you got to be premium. You got to be premium. Carson Beck, what, making what, four and a half, four million this year? you know so it's understandable and I think that number might continue to climb especially for that position if you're really good at it

we saw Levitt leave Arizona State I think he went to Kentucky Trinidad Chamblis is replying for a hardship he's trying to get another year like Brian trying to leave it right here them boy again pay what yeah a OJCU quarterback left in Indiana Joe and Ocho because you know Mendoza's going He's graded at the top quarterback in the draft. He's about to get 45-10.

You're fully guaranteed. His brother ain't that nice. Ain't his brother? Yep. And one of his brother's back up. He's like, I can beat you out. I mean, you can't have a parlorian or a chihuahua trying to guide the chicken coop. Fox is going to come.

Fox is going to come eat the eggs. Fox is going to come eat the chicken. He is. You better You better have a Borobol or a Cardi Corso You better have

Something Alibi Something Damn Damn Damn Damn You know

And you know And you know Players They need to stop hitting this portal And I know Before you go Before you go

I think it's reported Like 3,000 players Are in the portal Joe Yep 3,500 Some change John

You know To be exact And if you If you're hitting the portal you know for money reasons I get it but I hope

you're not running from competition I hope most of these players Joe and Unk they're not running school school because they don't want to deal with competition because when you get to that next level it ain't nowhere to run Oh Joe nah

you got to compete huh you're a free agent Cincinnati got 20 million for you and uh the Denver Broncos got 45 what you doing shoot exactly i hope you ain't running from competition oh cho they got that man five million dollars you're 20 years old what would oh yeah oh you yeah that's that's what i just said

damn that competition that's why i run it to the money that's why i clarified yeah can you imagine oh jo you 20 years old and they got Oregon state saying we got we got we got oh cho we got 500 000 but you dubs say oh cho we got two million where you going oh choo Hey, I'm gonna see, I'm gonna see you. I'm gonna be, uh, watch. I'm gonna be a husband. Yes, love. Hey, you go back to square catching the fish with that paper.

Hey, the funny thing about it. At the market, yeah. Hey, hey, this is a life lesson too. Because, you know, you see how them boys following the money, huh? You know, this is the same way of working real life. Your, huh, Joe? You get a promotion? Hey, come on that.

Yeah. You know, the bigger the bag, the bigger the attraction. You're right. Hey, I couldn't, I couldn't imagine this when I was in school, boy. I could imagine it. It just, the numbers wasn't that big. But hold up, Uncle, Ocho, out of 3,000 kids in the portal, all of them dudes, I ain't trying to get no payday. Some of them are running from the, running from that school, Ocho.

Yes. Yeah. And, you know, Joe, you think about the quarterback getting $5,000,000 players in the portal ain't getting that kind of money. I still think there's a, that's running from competition. Listen, if you're that, if you're that boy, you that boy no matter where you at. You're going to be that boy no matter where you at. If you like that, like you may, like you may think you are, I ain't going no goddamn well.

Nah. I think this was expected, though. Yeah. You know, it's for guys who play in Lord D-1s who may have had a great season. Now they're going to one of these top pile five now. You see Chambers, he left Ferris State, Ocho. He was a D-2 quarterback. Yeah, D-2 quarterback.

Yeah. I saw that story when they played. That was dope. He's trying to get that six-year back, huh? Because they pay good at Ole Miss. You got them in the playoff this year? Can you imagine what that bag? He's going to get about three men, three, four men next year.

Oh, yeah. dude yeah easy yeah that'll send me up because i don't know how big he was oh joe he don't look very tall but he looked good i mean he threw the ball and he throw the hell out the ball on the move yeah you do and you know who i thought was small until i watched him play god damn i thought brice underwood was small no he's big kid he like six three six four man man he was big as hell man yeah yeah yeah I ain't even know that. He liked Terrell Pryor.

You remember Terrell Pryor? Yeah, when he was three Raiders. And he was Cleveland too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He transitioned. He moved to wide receiver. He left the quarterback with the wide receiver at Cleveland. Right.

Got a thousand yards. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Hey, that boy Underwood getting a big bag over at Michigan, ain't? He is. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He's nice, nah.

All right. We're going to get you out of here on this when it's time for our final segment with the evening. It's time for Q and A. Huh? I miss up. El Prade 98, the Holy Ghost Whispers done told me everything's going to be all right. Go Broncos.

Ocho, the 1999 France World Cup, was a great run of my favorite 2006-2006 squad with Zenitin Zadon, was magic. What was your favorite World Cup? oh my favorite world cup oh that's a oh that's a great question that's a loaded question too um but 1886 you know what i had ball oh the Diego maradona no honestly unk even though there have been some great world cups my favorite world cup that was actually able to be in presence for we had to be in guitar France and Argentina uh what was that

Oh, that was a good one. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. With, uh, what you call him. And, and Boppe kept going back and forth. I thought he had it, Moteau. I thought he had him. Yeah, yeah. He almost did.

And there have been many, many World Cups that were, are better than that. But the fact that I was there sitting right there in the front and able to witness it, not watching it on TV is why I would make that one of my favorites. Yeah. I mean, I'm probably 99 for me, the women, the first year, the women. when Brandon Chastain hit that and took that thing I mean

the old guard Yeah Mia Ham Brandon Chastain Uh Brianna Scurrie I remember watching it Like

What a moment Oh yeah Aaron Owens 513 I'm about to start a sports podcast Got any advice for me uncle nocho uh yeah

you got to be really devoted you got to spend a lot of time bro it ain't no I don't feel like doing it today even when you don't feel like you got to do it bro you got to must up the energy every day you see we about to hit

you know Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday Monday Tuesday Tuesday Thursday, Thursday, Friday. Hey, you got to put the time in, bro. Everybody says they want to be successful, but I want to know what you're willing to sacrifice to achieve that success.

Right. It's mad at 2215, Unc and ISO. How did Joelle and B had Ocho X when he was rolling up those wires? What? But Ocho called his girl in the back. You and Jay Crohn's my favorite iceo players of all time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hey, that was funny, boy. Dang, Ocho, I feel bad. Hey, eight, eight, hey, hey, that, that was a classic night one. That was classic. I kept hearing people say, man, he, man, he had that girl in the Haitian Hucklebook. I say so now that's what the Haitian Huckabuckabuck. Let's see, hey, hey, it wasn't really no reason to feel bad for me because it was only two weeks. My home boys had worn me, man.

This ain't that, man. He pulled that much out of being your girl in two weeks? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, hey, listen, down here, we called him, she was a goer. Oh, okay. She was a goer. You just didn't know it. You just didn't know it.

No, they told me. Hey, Joe, I was, that's how he got her so quick. Yeah, I was, I was, I was, but she was. And I was a baby, Joe. He said she was a senior or something, right? Yeah, and I was a freshman, Joe. So I thought I, you know, I thought I was doing something. Oh, yeah, yeah.

You know. Yeah. You know, I was, I was playing way above my pay grain. Yeah. Yeah. And that's how it be, you know. Joe said she was good. She was allotted, so she was nice and flexible.

Oh, man. Come on, huh. Come on, man. I'm good. Hey, I'm good, Nato. You know, hey, I, listen, I see any signs. anything. Okay, bet. Hey, Hey, Joe, let me tell you, let me tell you what that turned me into now, Joe. I already know. Hey, I don't, I don't even play. I see any signs of anything. Oh, so you

want to be funny? All right, bitch, it's going to be a comedy show now. Come on. We, hey, we can both play. Yeah. Hey, Joe. Hey, listen. But, hey. Hey, listen. Oh, Joe. Oh, Joe. Doesn't that man pull all that? I said, oh, my God. He said, oh, Travis, where he put all that?

Oh, Joe. I know it, oh, Joe, I know it turned you to a savage, bro. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hey, hey, Joe, absolutely. As a fact, not, no, Joe, you know what? Obviously, not, get to take the truth, not even a savage. Because everybody deserves the benefit of the doubt and you should be able to trust everybody.

All it take is one thing. It's just heighten your awareness. That's all it did, don't Joe? That's it. Joe, it takes one thing, Joe. And then, and always, let me see how I say this the right way without being respectful. Because I played number two for such a long. time.

Yeah. When I put myself in the number one position, all the bullshit don't work. Yeah. You get what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. None of it works. None of the game, none of the lad, none of the, oh my, none of it. But the difference is Ocho, between a guy and a lady.

See, a guy is fine being number two. He don't really care about being number one. A number one lady, she's trying to be number one. The number two lady is trying to be number one. Yeah. I'll be back up. As number two. I'll be there sitting there sitting there.

I don't need to be lead single. I don't ever want to need to get on the microphone. I just beat you drool. What? Absolutely not. Joe, hey, Joe, number two was such a beautiful spot. I ain't got to deal with the headache. I ain't got to deal with the fussing. I ain't paying no bills.

You're coming to me to vent and I'm a shoulder to cry on. Yeah. Yeah. And also, and right. Yeah. Yeah. Dead and Bubble go. Hey, yeah.

Hey, I'm perfectly fine being Jerome. What I'm mirror at. Odie, oh, D, oh, hey, I don't need to be Mars day. I'm the wronged, I'm older than a barrel. Hey. Hey. I'm doing the bird. Have you heard?

I don't tell nothing about the bird. Hey, you crazy. I grew up on that. Hey, there was a day, Joe, now, now I got me a nice little, nice. Oh, yeah, he got Cambodian. Yeah, I'm good, now, Joe. Yeah, oh, he locked in. He locked in.

Hey, Joe ain't got no problem, Joe. But you don't. Hey, at first he was, hey, he was like a Gattaca. Y'all mean with that movie Gattaca? With a, with a Harley Barry, everybody was dressed a lot. Because Ocho, you know, when they say he got a type. Yeah, he got a tight. What?

Me? Do he? You think I got a, you think I got a type? Yeah. Hey, let me tell you something. Hey, Joe, Joe. What's up? get a bag of skittles yeah i eat every motherfucking color i don't pick and choose oh i don't pick and choose

Jen, I'm sorry! Jen, I'm sorry! I'm sorry, I did call your girl out there. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey, Joe!

Joe! Look at it. He gave him. He gave him himself, O'Dell. He can't. Hey, come on. Hey, uh, man. Oh, Lord.

Hey, hey, Joe, hey, Joe, this way back in 1992. Hey, hey, hey, but you know that feeling though. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, hey, oh, we didn't, hey, we didn't all been there. Oh, yeah, yeah. We didn't all, we didn't all be. We didn't all been there. That's why I say, boy, it scarred you a little bit, but that's okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Matter of fact, it scarred me to the point where I have, I approach things with a better understanding. Yeah. Like, even if we, that doesn't belong to me. That's not my property. Come on, um, what's you? Hey, um, what this guy? Hey, um, what that is? Um. Why you guys? I don't got birthday star. Throw it out tonight, Ocho. Hey, um, hey, uncle off that lick of the night, boy. He can't help himself. He can't help himself. Hey, I bet some of the people are...

Hey, I bet some of the people in the chat, they might not know what the hell we're talking about. Shit, they know what he's talking about. They would have to be here for that show. Oh, my. Oh, Cho, you got some more stories? Hey, I got about two more, but I ain't going to tell you tonight. Oh, my goodness.

Man. Joe. Joe, that bad. Oh, man. Oh, man. Ocho, I'm sorry, man. Nah, you're good, you good, you good, you're good, you know, it's good to laugh, y'all, you're laughing at my pain. It's all good.

Nah, I would do that on you show. Nah, you know, you got to thank this back in 92, so it, you don't really meet, it don't make me none no more. Yeah, yeah. Me and my home boy, just have what's good. Oh, Cho, what's wrong with it, Ocho? Oh, hey, he's on that liquor tonight, boy. I ain't like that, he's going to have some water tonight. I ain't had no liquor tonight.

I ain't drank that tonight. I'm saving that. I'm saving it on Saturday and Sunday. Are you sober? Okay. Chad, I'm sorry. Chad, we gotta get through this. We gotta get through this.

Come on, Chad. about Q&A. Ocho already told you that Judy is the number one. What more do you need to see? Wait, I ain't hear that. He said, Mike Enocho already told you that Judy is a number one. What more do you need to see? Just a little consistency.

That's all. Oh, Lord. You still crying? Bad as your car, do y'all think kickers, positions important, stressed in the league? How well would you, the 2000 Ravens fair with Lamar Jackson at the helm? Bro, you got to understand it was a different game back then. They could drop their body weight on Lamar. They could do all kinds of things.

It's not like it is now. The quarterback is the most protected. The quarterback is like witness protection. Did you see, did you see how? Elway got hit. Do you see the, did you see, did you watch those videos see his documentary? Yeah. Y'all better go look at that and see how them guys hit. It's a deal

with a different game back then. Lamar is sensational. And that's not to say he couldn't play. But boy, all that running around they were going to be hunting, boy. Mm-mm. May. Trey Newsom up.

At the free man in 26, please listen to Ocho's advice. He's only looking out for your best interest. Ocho, that 90, eight france kit clean man appreciate that yeah yeah yeah we're 26 we good we good because we uh hey we we we in 26 we we know what happened i put that i put that and put that beat i put that beat that's gully oh it's old with you yeah j j carver 80 if the raiders need any defense look no further than Elgado, they'd be given Ocho hell. Family wealth builder, should Brad Holmes be fired due to the lines falling?

Detroit fans are lighting torches and grabbing pitch force. What do you think, uh, and Ocho? No, no, you had a down year. Oh, hell not. But bro, look at your draft. Look at what you got. You drafted Amman Ross St. Brown. You drafted Jameson, a week.

You got Jamir Gibbs, you make the trade for Jerry Golf. You look at your defensive guys. You got Jack Cameron, you got Ayn Hutchinson. You got, but a lot of those guys, the secondary was injured. No, Penae Soo, no, no, man, you guys right there. GT knew, Shannon, why you got to keep calling my Dolphins guffies, man. We've had a bad enough with who,

with the tuna turn of a loa at quarterback, and not winning a playoff game in 26 years. Give Ocho, give us an Ocho a break. Hey, what do he call him? Tuna what? Turn the ball over. Turn the ball over. Turn the ball over.

Tuna. Lany Ray, hey guys, Ocho, I got a dad joke for you. What do horse eat the day of a race? I don't know where they eat. Nothing, they fast. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, why aren't people questioning Matt naggy the way they questioned e berec for head coaching jobs well we'll see um you hear reports that there's a possibility that eb might be going back to

kc we'll see but i don't know why magna can get in here for a job andy reed called the plays when he got the job in chicago and the reed called the play they say they want somebody that's that's called plays before Ocho out here looking like uncommon With the hat-old Ron for me Unk what's the hold up with Mike Emp's interview also it'll be dope

If y'all had Prime on once a week Put Memphis on your tour Tennessee Rob be patient Be patient Brian 6198 Unk Ocho who's the best head coach for Jackson Dart in New York.

Y'all better not agree. It needs to be a quarterback. It needs to be an offensive mind, Ocho. I'm trying to think. Who would be a great... Hey, I can know. Clint Kubiak. Seattle's O.C.

Mr. Gannon. Arizona Cardinals. Jonathan Gannon. He's the D. Yeah, he had a defense of mine. Ain't he a defense of mine? Because I think Shane Stiking was the officer coordinator. And he went to, uh, he's in, uh, Indy.

When Jonathan Gallon to D.C. Yeah. In Philly. Stifansky, an officer guy. Yes. But I do believe Brian Flores going to get a job this, uh, this hiring cycle. I'm a Hawks fan and sad to see Trey go. I hope he goes

to the Spurs or the Bucks so we can see Trey to Wemby or Trey to Yannis, best passer in the league, in my opinion. I don't see him going because they got Darren Fox, they got Stefan Castle, and they got Dillon Harper. They don't need Trey in San Antonio.

Now, I can see a scenario Milwaukee, but I do. I do believe he top two, three best passes in the league, by the way. He can pass that ball.

But yeah, I don't see him going to San Antonio neither. I don't even see San Antonio messing with nothing they got going on over there. Either to go, Ocho, Will I am Shakespeare. We need to end nightcap like that every night. Very insightful.

Thoughts. with the spoken word. The Sean underscore show. What's up, fellas? If the MVP goes to the most valuable player, then Drake May should win the award. The Rams are good team without Stafford. No, they're not.

And with two great receivers, go past your thoughts. I just look, I don't know. I thought it was a foregone conclusion that Lamar was going to win it last year after 41 and 5. and his team had some tremendous success, and then Josh Allen got it. And that's not to say Josh Allen didn't earn the right to be the MVP.

But 46 and 8, led the league in passing, led the league and passing touchdowns. I don't know. For me, it's Matthew Stafford. I don't know what you think, Ocho and Joe, but I think Matthew Stafford is the MVP to me. Yeah, I mean, I was going with staff anyway. If anything, obviously after that week he had, we played bad last week.

He redeemed himself this past weekend. Some people say Drake May. Drake May deserves it based on what he was able to do after going four and 13 the previous year. So that's tough. That's tough. I mean, you're going to have two different,

two different sides of the spectrum on people that think it should be Drake May and people that think it should be Matt Stafford. Man, if 46 and 8 don't get it, I don't know, I don't know what you're going to do to get it. Kyle Marquise, dang, you wore a blue and orange in college and in the NFL, you really bleed it. Yep.

And my high school colors were green and gold. So my brother got green and gold when he got with Green Bay and I got blue and orange. Damn. Ronnie M. What's up, Nightcap? Who do you think should dominate the sports more in their prime? or Shaq

Curry shooting or Prime Brady with Vicks. Ooh! Man, if Shaq can shoot the ball like Steph Curry, that man average

100 points a night. That's too much. God can get nobody there. God didn't give you all that now. Hell no. Absolutely not. Man, Shaq is 7-1. can shoot the ball like Steph

and be dominant like he was. Oh, man, please. Man, please. He gets 100 a night. He average 100 a night. He put a record out where nobody ever break it. Hey, but I'm going to tell you something. When we can stay healthy, he's going to be close to it.

Man, he got to, ooh, he got to put some. I'm saying from a defensive standpoint on. Well, he'll better defender. He can average, he can average four to five block the game, if not more. Double-figure rebounds. Obviously, you know you're going to be at least 20 points a game. Yeah, he can, he can, shh. Health Will 9, Unk, shout out Keith Burns.

He was my special teams coach at TSU. And also my time, my all-time favorite coach. Love you, coach. I'm his favorite kid. He coached, that's my dog. I appreciate that. I just talked to him the other day. I talked to him Saturday.

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We know Rahim was relieved of his duties last night. Minnesota, the Giants made this move early in the year, and so did the Tennessee Titans. So I think that's what, seven positions that are open. Still might be a possibility of some more. We'll see, but Cleveland is going in a different direction. So are some of the other teams, the Arizona Cardinals, the New York Giants, the Tennessee Titans,

and the Cleveland Browns and the Atlanta Falcons. Atlanta Falcons got a pretty good roster. If they solidify that quarterback, I expect them to be a complete team next year because they've got some defensive guys and they got some offensive weapons. I love Drake, London, Bejohn, Robinson, Kyle Pitts. If you get him re-sign, Ocho,

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