Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: How Jayson Tatum can become the face of the NBA & why JuJu Watkins is better than Caitlin Clark

Episode Date: March 28, 2024

Shannon Sharpe & Gilbert Arenas discuss the pressure on Jayson Tatum heading into his postseason, why JuJu Watkins has a higher ceiling than Caitlin Clark & much more! 0:00 Gil’s 5 players that have the most to gain this NBA postseason18:30 Did Luka mean to say he was Robin and Kyrie was Batman?21:30 Jason Williams says Tracy McGrady would’ve been the greatest if he had Kobe’s work ethic26:30 Juju Watkins leads USC to Sweet 1631:30 Q and Ayyyyy #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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this postseason, who's number one on your list? The most to gain? Yes. I'll say is this just winning or just playing very good? He has the most to gain this postseason. So if he, I mean, obviously a championship helps everybody, but who do you think would gain the most?

Gain the most? I'll say somebody who needs it, probably Shea, Zion, Ant-Man, Tatum, right? Tatum would be first on my list because he's the guy that's been to the NBA finals and he didn't play well. He's been to the NBA finals and he didn't play well. He's been to the conference finals

a couple of times. So now if he gets there, Gil, at his age, what's he, 25, 26? Now he gets the exhale. But he has to see the problem with Tatum is the reason I didn't rank him number one is because he's been

there. He's been there lost. He went to the championship. He went to the Eastern Conference Finals. We done seen him do it all besides. Yes. So if he gets to the first and second round and he averaged 50 the whole time,

we don't care. No, because we gonna say, yeah, for the very reason that you just said, we just saw him go to the NBA Finals. We see him go to the Eastern Conference Finals. So him getting to the first round and averaging 50, we don't care. When are you going to add

18 to the Boston Celtics? That's why I said he can't be number one in gaining something because the only way he gains is if he wins it. Zion doesn't have to win. See, Zion has scored 44 rounds and he's back. Right.

Shea with 22, if he wins the first round, Shea is boom. Same thing with Emmitt. See, everybody else, if they get out of the first round or have a great first round, their stock rises. Yes, but just imagine if Tatum

would have said, I think Kevin Durant has a lot to prove. Again, by a championship. Because guess what, Gil? Y'all said I ain't won nothing outside of Golden State. Y'all make it seem like I wasn't Kevin. He's like, I'm Kevin Durant. Y'all know who I am, right?

You know I'm KD. So just imagine him winning outside of Golden State. I think he has to have a lot to gain this postseason because it hadn't gone well for him since he's been out of Golden State. That's what I said. For him

to get any recognition or go into the next level, he actually has to win a championship. Yes, yes, yes. That's why I believe he has the most to gain because if he wins, nobody else, even if the guys you mentioned, if Shea wins a championship, it won't be

as big as Kevin Durant because Kevin Durant has to, he doesn't have to, but they're not going to let him forget. Bro, you ain't won nothing outside of Golden State. As a matter of fact, you ain't even been back. You ain't even been back to a finals since Golden State. You remember that playoff series with – see, this can happen for Shea, Zion, or Ant-Man, or mostly Zion.

You remember when Rose went up against Boston? Yeah. And Rose was the against Boston. Yeah. And Rose was the triple-double. Him and Rondo was going back and forth. Both those names elevated, and they didn't do much after the first round. Right. Because how they played,

it put them into another level. That's what I'm saying. He has the highest... He can gain a lot because he can become the face of the NBA. That? The championship? Wouldn't that be the most to gain? Because if he don't...

That's what I'm saying. It's either championship or none. Even everybody... If you don't win a championship, it's a bust. That's where he is now. That's where he is now in his career. That's where Kevin... I mean, there are certain guys like Jason Tatum, KD, LeBron, Steph Curry. His championship or bust,

what good is it going a couple of rounds? It don't do anything, especially Steph, LeBron, and KD because they've all won championships. They've all won titles. So, winning the first round or winning a couple rounds, it doesn't do anything for them. Now, I mean, for Shea Gilgis, yeah, he wins a round.

Hey, nobody really expected him to be where they are. Ant-Man, nobody expected him to be where they are. So that's really, really good. But Jason Tatum, he can gain not only a championship, but now he gets to stake a claim. Hey, when Steph and LeBron leave, your boy got first dibs on facing the league. But now look at this.

Now let's say Ant-Man goes to the second round, and that first round he averaged 35, and that second round he averaged 35, and they lost. Going into next season, he going to be the face coming in. He don't got a championship. If Jason Tatum wins,

Jason Tatum going to be twins a championship. Yeah, but Tatum don't, but you see what I mean? Ant-Man don't need a championship. No. Tatum has so much success, not full success, but had enough success so early that we are demanding

results like he's the age of Kevin Durant, LeBron James and he's only 26 years old. I tell you another guy that got something to gain. I gained a whole lot. Dame Dollar.

Yes. Dame Dollar. Yes. He has a lot. A championship would go a long way because he got Giannis. This is the best player he's ever played with. I would put him, yes. Because he's never been far in the playoffs. And if he gets to the Eastern Conference Finals or just ball out, get to the second round or the championship, he goes into another

dimension too. No, he can't. He can't because he's been to the Western Conference finals with less. He wanted to go to a team that gives him an opportunity to compete for a title. He went to the Milwaukee Bucks. Giannis is a top three player. No matter who you poll, Giannis is going to be one of the top three players. Okay?

That's where Dame is. So he has a guy that most of the time he had guys that were guards like him. CJ was a guard. Anthony Simons was a guard. Jeremy Grant was a two, but he mainly played small forward. You got the total opposite of what you are. You got a team that can compete for a title.

He has to go all the way. Yeah, I mean, you know, just for him personally, but when you're talking about that next step, like, it's unfortunate that Tatum has had success as a young dude, but it's weird to have

a 26-year-old and you're saying bus or chip. Yeah, because we've seen, at some point in time, Gil, man, you got to stop teasing us, because you're still teasing us. And I understand, and I think LeBron said something about this. He's like, look, Jordan

was how old when he won? I was at a certain age when I won. Everybody's not going to be like, look, Jordan was how old when he won? I was at a certain age when I won. Everybody's not going to be like, everybody's going to be like magic. Well, we ain't going to ever see a magic again. Ain't nobody coming out their rookie year and winning finals MVP. That ain't happening.

And the likelihood of you getting with Kobe and winning at that age because who else is going to go to a team that has a guy as dominant as Shaq was? Shaq was in his absolute prime. He was dominating. Give Kobe a chance. Kobe could do what he was doing. Now, at the tail end,

Kobe had caught up. He's like, okay, yeah. I'm the Kobe being Brian that I believe that I could always be. But what guy, Ant-Man, look, I like Cat, but Cat and Rudy go better together. I ain't Shaq. No what guy, Ant-Man, look, I like Cat, but Cat and Rudy go better together, ain't Shaq. No, no, no.

So as great as Ant-Man is, he doesn't have what Kobe had, which is a prime Shaq. Yeah. And nobody has a prime. There ain't going to ever be another Shaq. Never. You're never going to see a guy that big, that athletic. And I know Joel Embiid, but people don't realize how athletic Shaq was.

Shaq could run. Shaq was mobile. Shaq was agile. Yeah, he had skill. And we're not going to see that. So to be able to pair somebody like Ant-Man, like you said, he's 22. Okay, well, you would have to put him with like a Joel Embiid. Because Joel Embiid can play on the block.

Cat don't really try to play on the block. Cat try to say, I'm the best shooting big man. I'm the best shooting big man ever. And Ant-Man said, get your big ass out there and let me dump you the ball to the post. But he said, well, Rudy hogging it up too, though. Yeah. But if I had to rank, I would say

if he was healthy, I would say Joel Embiid. Joel Embiid. He has a lot to prove. Payne, Jason Tatum, Luca, Luca, I don't even know why. And Kevin Durant. I don't even know what

and Kevin Durant I don't even know why they got Giannis on here why first of all why they got Nikola Jokic on here why they got

the man about to win his third MVP you know what I'm saying so guys like him Jokic right and this is the sad part like

he didn't have no pressure when he won the one right nobody put him in't have no pressure when he won the one. Nobody put him in there. If you win, you win. He won one. There's no pressure on him winning it again. If he doesn't win, no one's going to say anything about his legacy.

Same thing with Giannis. He won one, so no one is really putting him in that category. It's like he gets to go unnoticed. No one really cares about Jimmy Butler winning or not. How'd they get Javon Harris over here? Luka? No one cares if Luka wins the

championship because you know, it's... You know what I mean? But here's the thing, we've seen him. He got to the Western Conference Finals a year and a half, not just last season, but the year before. And we've seen him give the Clippers a much more dominant team, give them all they can stomach with just him by himself.

And he's going to lead the league in scoring. At some point in time, he's going to have to turn that. It's kind of like Mike. Mike was averaging 32 and 33. Yeah, that's fun to watch, but when we go hear some clinging, that's

rings in your pocket. We don't hear that yet. Luka's going to get there because at some point in time, Gil, he's going to have to turn those stats into a title. That's what I said with these guys. When we're talking about it, when you're talking about Tatum and Luka, these guys are

so young. What is the pressure so high on these guys when everybody else was 29, 30, 31, 32 when he was winning? With Luka, Tatum, I just think Tatum is, he set the bar so high that he needs a chip to go into another atmosphere

when the other younger guys, they just need to have great playoff games and they're going to get a lot of recognition. Right. Like Zion, let's say the Pelicans upset them and Zion's averaging 28 in it. Zion is back. Yeah. They're going to be playing. Zion get all his momentum back. Going into the summer, Pelicans going to get TV

games next year because Zion did his thing in the playoffs. Right. But they put some guys on the list. They just put some guys on the list. Like Kawhi. Kawhi don't have no pressure. Jokic don't have no pressure. Giannis really don't have no pressure. Jokic don't have no pressure. Giannis really don't have no pressure. But now, hey, Gil,

but here's the thing. Let's just say for the sake of argument, Jokic wins his third MVP in a four-year span. He wins the finals MVP. Where you ranking it? As in, as for what overall

totality behind Tim Duncan oh yeah for sure you know what I mean so I mean is he a top 10 player but he gonna be hey

he inside the top 15 yeah no of course yeah hell yeah he inside the top 15 yeah no of course yeah hell yeah he inside the top 15 yeah I mean three MVPs regular season

two finals MVPs and he 28 yeah I mean yeah you best rather get a fourth MVP or Gil you gotta put him in the top 10 I'm sorry you know what I mean

like let's just say Larry Bird got three MVPs back to back to back and he to get a fourth MVP, Gil, you got to put him in the top 10. I'm sorry. You know what I mean? Larry Bird got three MVPs back to back to back. You can't convince everybody he's a top 10 player. I don't know why they're leaving him out. Yeah, so you know what I mean? Hey, but here's the thing. Now, if we give people credit for three people championships,

he's the last man to do it. And he did it in the era with Michael, with Kareem, with Moses Malone, with Magic Johnson. Look at Carl Malone. Who? Bird. When he got those finals, yes. Yes. Dr. J.

And all those guys with the exception of I wouldn't say Doc was in his prime. Kareem really wasn't in his prime. He wasn't in his prime, yeah. But everybody else was. You can't get a real nice

55% that he's top 10 player. So that's, you know. And that lets you know how much they really do care about that that demaculades in a sense. Yeah, because he got three he got me three titles three MVPs That lets you know how much they really do care about that, that the macula is in a sense. Yeah. Cause he got three, he got me three titles,

three MVPs, two finals MVPs. Well, we just, okay. Check this out. Speaking of Luca, Luca,

hell Kyrie as Batman of the Mavericks. Why call himself Robin of the team after their 138-96 win over Sacramento in Sacramento. Luka said, he's Batman, I'm Robin. It's just amazing. Everything on our team

is amazing. Outside of basketball, he's just a great person. We get along so well. The chemistry is really good right now. Both Kyrie and Luka put on the show on the road

and back-to-back. Kyrie ended the game with 24 points, 8 assists. Luka had 28 points, 11 rebounds, 6 assists, threw three quarters, didn't play in the fourth. Do you agree or do you even think that he meant that Kyrie is Batman and he's Robin? Hell no.

Because after he said it, I think his next word was, like, no, he didn't say on another note or, okay, like, seriously. And then he went there and said that. So you can see he was just, oh, yeah, he's Batman, I'm Robin. But anyway, and then he, you know, I think they're playing, They're figuring each other out right now. I think they're playing very, very well. They're still adjusting to what each other can do. And the fact that both players are so dominant, both players are great finishers,

which that is hard to have. You got two finishers who can hit shots at the end of the game. That just benefits Dallas, right? When you guys who can do the same thing, when you're trying to cut you, they shut Luke off. Kyrie gets the ball, hits you with a game winner. You should double Kyrie. Luke gets the ball.

He'll hit you with a game winner. So the fact that they got those two, now it's building an offense or a team around the two guys. That's what a lot of teams aren't good at, right? A lot of teams aren't good of, okay, I got these two guys, let's build the team around them. What do they need to be great? And most teams just get pieces. So the fact that your team is still undersized when your point guard is 6'9 and a half, 6'10,

and you got another guard who can't play defense, you need taller guys on your team. Like if they had Porzingis, oh my God, that'd be perfect. But they had Porzingis. I'm that'd be perfect they had Porzingis I'm tired of standing in the corner and Luka dribbling the ball

while he's sitting in the corner but what's amazing Gil is that normally when we think of finishers we think of guys that are above the rim or we think of bigs we think of LeBron, we think of Giannis we think of big guys Luka can barely dunk.

I think Kyrie got by five dunks in his career. And three came this year. But you talk about finishing at the rim with either hand. It's amazing what they can

do. Yeah, these guys are very good at what they can do. Yeah, these guys are very, very good at what they can do. Wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast, NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal. Five days a week, you'll get all the latest news, previews, recaps, and analysis delivered straight to your podcast feed by the time you get your coffee.

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1.7 steals, and almost a block of game for the Magic. Do you believe, had he had Kobe's work ethic, he would have been the greatest? Lee, had he had Kobe's work ethic, he would have been the greatest. Now, listen. This was a big, big, big argument back when they were playing.

This was a big argument. Who was better? And I remember our strength coach said this. See, this is when dog wasn't used how it's used today. Dog back then was considered lazy.

Yeah, he dogged it. And someone said when it's all said and done, Kobe's going to be on another planet than T-Mac. Right now, T-Mac is better, but he's like

a dog player, right? He don't have that it of what Kobe has. So when time goes on, the laziness is going to stop one while the work ethic is going to go. This is when they were both, you know, they were

21, one had a kid, the other had, and they were just they were playing. And when he said it, and you started looking at him over and over and like he was right what did you see just you know tracy was smooth tracy was chill tracy was like kawhi leonard stop right um if he had the mamba mentality, I mean, shit. I mean, he was taller, more athletic,

shot the ball better. I mean, those were the debates. I mean, you know, and Kobe, I'm pretty sure there'd be record where Kobe said, he probably wish he had, you know, and Kobe, I'm pretty sure there'd be record

where Kobe said, he probably wish he had, you know, T-Max attributes because to him, he was 6'9". Yeah, if I had his attributes,

whoop. Yeah. Why can't guys see what others see in real time? Because it's, it's self-awareness, right? You know, Vince Carter, you know, heard he's mad. He's mad at me because I said he was lazy.

But he has to understand that, you know, this is coming from a place of just, I admired who he was or who he is. And I'm like, man, if you would have had this mind and said, oh my God, there wouldn't be no conversation on who the GOAT is because there's no one that had the capabilities in the engine that you had. You was the carbon copy of what MJ was. You was the 2.0 that was supposed to be coming in.

The game was so easy to you, but you was a nice guy. That was it. He was a nice guy. You didn't have the selfish bone inside your body. Same thing. He didn't have that selfish bone that he body. Same thing. He didn't have that selfish bone that he needed, that MJ

has, that Kobe had. Right? There's just certain players like, let me take this Kobe bone and this Michael Jordan bone and then put in certain players. If you take Jimmy Butler's mentality

and put it in some of these players, they're all new players. It just happens. When you're talking about sometimes we can see something. Like with Jonah B, when I was going at him and I said, man, dog, you score so easy. If you got in shape, man, you average fucking 35. If you got in shape just a little bit, dog, you average 35 because how you're scoring and how much you're playing, no one can stop you. If you actually took the game serious and took out seven dribbles, just take out seven dribbles every time you get ready to do your thing and get to like a 2-3 combo, you'll average 35, 36 the way you can put the ball in the basket. You know, sometimes I think they have to really step outside themselves and then look.

A lot of people don't want to step out of themselves when they have success. It's hard to tell a guy who won MVP, who had a scoring title, that they can do more. Right. It's like, what have you done? You ain't done nothing. Like, nah, nah, nah.

But if you take my mentality and I give it to you, trust me, bro, you'll see what I'm seeing. Right. Juju Watkins leads USC to his first Sweet 16 since 1994. Gil, what's the most impressive thing about

Juju game? That when you, she loves this game. She loves the process. She loves the work ethic, right? I remember this was after we won the state championship. And she wanted to go on vacation.

She wanted to go to vacation for the first time. She had to do a spreadsheet. She had to do a spreadsheet on why she needed a spreadsheet. She had to do a spreadsheet on why she needed a vacation. She went back from sixth grade to seventh grade. I've only missed four days in the last eight years of my life.

And she did this whole thing to present to her parents that she needed a vacation because that's how dedicated she was to the sport. I mean, if you ever watch her workout, you wouldn't know she was a girl. Wow. She has no mannerisms.

She works out with Kyrie, Kevin Durant, and Booker. And she looks exact. She can mimic all of them. When she's going for a layup, you think she can dunk. Because she's going with so much power, so much swag. It's like, I've seen this girl

do some amazing things. Like, during big games, she has the Kobe and Jordan gene. There's only a few people that I've seen with it. Meaning, Jimmy Butler. When it's a big game and there's big moments, they never fail you. She's one of those.

Kaitlyn Clark, too. Yes. You need Kaitlyn to do something special, she never fails. Right. And that's what I've seen Juju, watching Juju for two years. Anytime there was big moments, big games, and we needed her to perform, she never failed. Her games kind of remind me of Maya Moore's. Yeah.

Maya Moore was tremendous off the bounce. She could get to the rim. She could shoot the three. Had the mid-range game. She could pull up. I mean, and that's why I think Kaitlyn Clark, you look at Paige Beckers, you look at Juju, all those young ladies can get their own shot. They don't need you.

Give me the ball and I can get to my spot. Be it the mid-range, do I get to the lane, do I get all the way to the rim? It's a joy watching them. And because the talent is spread out, because normally UConn had all the talent. It's a joy watching them. And because the talent is spread out, because normally UConn had all the talent. Stop it. Tennessee had all the talent. You know what I'm saying? And there were some girls here and there.

Stanford had a time in the early 90s that they got you know, Tara Vanderveer, I think it was Jennifer Azee. They won a couple titles in the early 90s, and they had some titles. And then, you know, the Baylors came along. The Notre Dames came along.

And now you see South Carolina. But for the most part, though, UConn, Tennessee, hoarded all the talent. Now you get a Kaitlyn Clark, who's the number one player in the country, and she doesn't go to one of those three schools. She goes to Iowa. Juju, who's the number one player in the country, doesn't go to one of those three schools. She goes to Iowa. Juju, who's the number one player in the country, doesn't go to one of those schools. She goes to USC. Paige, who's number one, she ended up going, but you see what I'm saying?

So now they're kind of spread out. We got Cameron Brink, the young lady out of Stanford, but she's more of a post player. She's not really getting the ball like those other three ladies that I mentioned can shoot the three, can get to the mid-range, can get to the paint, finish at the rim. So I just enjoy watching these young ladies play

because I love seeing, you know, their game reminds me of a guy's game because the mid-range, the three, getting into the paint, finishing at the rim. You know what's funny? As much as if this, if Juju was allowed to come out in a draft. Yeah. It'd be, you, Fever will be,

they will regret that they took Kaitlyn Clark number one. You fever will be. They will regret that they took Caitlin Clark number one. These Caitlin is great, right? But he's not Juju, right? If you go back and look at Caitlin as a freshman, what Juju does, they're not even on the same planet. If they match up in the tournament, 1,000% Juju's going to pick her off full court.

Yeah. Juju got a woman's body. You look at the way she's built and you look at the way Kaitlyn Clark is built, she can take contact. She can play through contact. She has a she has an adult body. He's like the 18 year old.

Yeah, she's like that's what she's built like Booker. She played like she her fast twitch muscles like she's super athletic. She will pick her up full court. They're going to have to set a whole bunch of screens to get Juju off her. And if she ever tries to guard Juju, it's lunch meat. They don't have the same body. No, they don't.

Even Beckers, they're thin. And Juju, like I said, they're skinny. She feels like Maya Moore. If you look, she feels like Maya. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. She's going to come straight down here, run right in. Yes. And I'm sure Juju's like, just let me match up so

I can show the world who is really that girl. Right. And I know that's one of those things. Juju wants to see Caitlyn, cuz she's gonna pick her up full court. She's gonna hound her full court and Caitlyn's not gonna be able to pick her up full court. She's going to hound her full court, and Caitlyn's not going to be able to get past her like that. She's going to need a lot of picks. One's just faster, stronger, meaner.

They're both going to compete, but Caitlyn's not going to be able to guard her whatsoever. So that's the real matchup you want to see, is you want to see those two, and it's not going to end the way they would think. Now, Gil, it's time for our last segment of the night, and it's called Q&A. Ryan asked, Gil, why was Steph actually crying after Draymond was ejected?

Is Steph at his wits end with Dray? And what do you think, what do you think about Dray did to Patty Mills last night? I think, you know, Steph, it's more of the frustration. Like, it's four minutes in a game. We trying to win this game

and you getting yourself kicked out. That's more of just frustration as a player, right? It's like, you know, this is the dude we need you to do. Why are you even, you know, disamped up at the beginning of the game to get yourself kicked out, right? So, you know, that's one of those frustration things right there. And what he did to Patty. And I know they were looking for that wrap around his neck and they just didn't

he didn't get the neck but he almost got it he could have been kicked out of that game too but they called it a common foul so lucky for him man Dre be getting man Dre be getting away with all this stuff man I like Dre man I mean I've had a conversation with this stuff, man. I like Dre, man. I mean, I've had a conversation with him a couple of times.

I like him. But, man, I sure wish that sometimes I could have played basketball. You know, that's the same thing he out there doing. He played football. He's like, yeah, I'm glad I played basketball. And you see, he went right'm glad I played basketball. I ain't got... And you see, he went right on back to the basketball court. That's a whole

different mindset, Gil, to play that. Now, Oakley could have played. Mason, I believe they could have played. I think Oakley played in high school, but Oak has the mentality. Oak had the mentality. Yeah. Oak had the mentality.

Actually, when I was early in my career, Oak used to work out with us. Oak used to come to the track, run. He would come to the gym and lift. Oak was like, Oak's mentality is a football mentality. Yeah. He really has a football mentality. Kemper Norwood Jr., Oak, Do you have a favorite shirt to wear,

and will the Lakers make it past the play-in tournament? Oh, yeah. We can't pass the play-in. That ain't no doubt. Do I have a favorite shirt? Nah, not really. Not no shirt. Shirt?

Yeah, I ain't really got no favorite shirt. Hell, nah. I just got a... Man, I'm just into the athleisure, man. new favorite shirt. Hell no. I just got a... Do I... Man, I'm just into the athleisure, man. I, you know, I dress, I mean, I dress up for, uh,

when I do, I mean, think about it. I wore a shirt and tie pretty much for seven straight years. 240 days a year. That's what, you know, you saw me in a jacket, uh, you know, kind of towards the tail end. I kind of stopped wearing the ties. Wore a tie a handful of times on the first take.

Man, when I'm out and about, man, I'm trying to be, I'm trying to be, and I know people don't think, man, but I'm comfortable. Okay, you think, but I'm comfortable. I'm comfortable in my skin. Always have been. And, you know, people like, man, man, I'll say I'm comfortable. I'm comfortable in my skin. I always have been. And you know, people like, man, Offset told you. I said, look. I said, I really enjoyed the conversation with Offset

because he a homie from the Creole. Yeah. But unless Offset wear a thong and got some lace, I ain't listen to him. Offset ain't financing feeding the fucking shanties. Why am I listening to another guy talking about how I dress? And I can be, hey, cool.

But I dress for shenanigans. There was once upon a time, Gil, I dressed to try to impress other people. Now I dress to impress me. Man, I'm 55. Man, you can't lace up your Air Force ones yeah I can I am and I ain't got time to be worried about all that other stuff man

if people worry about the right things who cares how your shoes are laced up so if they're going to put some money in my pocket give my shoes be laced up right I mean I just stop if somebody can't say hey Mr. Sharp we want to outfit you going to put some money in my pocket and get my shoes being laced up right? I mean, I just...

If somebody came and said, hey, Mr. Sharp, we want to outfit you. We want to put you in this. Okay. I got it. But as long as I'm buying these clothes, I'm going to buy what I like. And just because y'all body messed up, y'all got them BMWs, body made wrong, y'all

mad at me because my body tight. I go to restaurants with sandals on. I ain't no sandal guy. I go to sandals with my feet. I need my feet to feel good. If I do have shoes on up,

I'm taking my shoes off in the restaurant. If you see me in the restaurant up, my shoes off in the restaurant. Oh, Lord. My shoes is off. So, moving forward, if you ain't got no lace and you ain't got no thong underwear

on, y'all better shut the hell up. Try to tell Shay or tell your uncle how to man your clothes tight, baby. Hey, y'all preparing a meal? I need some financial statements and I need so other than that

I ain't listening to you I'm aware of the hell I want to wear so I don't know what to tell you but I appreciate the interview I appreciate you coming down we had a great time it's up right now it's doing really really well we had a great time. It's up right now. It's doing really, really well.

We had a great conversation, but I love having conversations, but I ain't listening to a damn thing our sensei. Kashawn Thomas said, what's up, Uncle Gil? Man, why people don't listen and follow rules like today at the bottle signing? Dude know he heard them say

no merch is getting signed, but he still tried. Anyway, he's thankful for the bottles, but me and my wife got one. Bro, I don't know. I mean, people get mad. Oh, you could have signed. I said, bro, it's not my event.

The store says, okay, he signed. With the purchase of a bottle, Shannon will sign it. No other merchandise gets signed. People come in and want to take pictures. People just bringing

their hats, bringing their jerseys. That's not what this was about. And then they get upset. So what you want me to do? This is not my store. We try to use

the guilt on your aunt. Listen, I'm going to come with your rookie jersey, and I know you're supposed to sound like, and I'm going to throw it up right there. Come on. That's exactly. You'd be like, ah. I'm like, come on, bro.

I'd say, bro, work with me. They're like, you can take a picture, but you can't go beside it because we got to keep the line moving. So what they do? No, ma'am. Sir, you can't. I just give up. I just give up.

It's no different than at the airport. We hear them yelling the same thing for the 10 minutes we in line. Have your ID out, right? Take your shoes off. Take your laptops out. Take all. We hear you, but we not listening. When we get there, what we have on?

We got our laptops still in our bag, shoes still on. No ID. We ain't listening to shit they got going on. We got our laptop still in our bag, shoes still on. No ID. The shit they got going on. Until they get up there. Yeah. Glow the Strode. What's up? One of my uncles

got caught in 4K on Freak Nick Doc. Gil, are you going... Magic. He said his uncle got caught. He was at Freak Neck, and he got caught on camera. I saw somebody say, man, I just saw my past at Freak Neck. Man, look, Gil, like I said, I was there.

I mean, I moved to Atlanta because of Freak Neck. And me and my brother, we went, I think me and my brother went 92, 93. I moved to Atlanta in 94, and I participated in 94, 95, 96. But what they didn't tell you is how they closed the malls down. Lenox Mall, Phil's Plaza, they had to shut them down because they were running up in there, running out the people's store with their ish in their hands. They had to shut them down because they were running up in there, running out to people's store with their ish in their hands. They had to close them down.

Yes, they blocked off the exit. So once you got on the interstate, man, you had to go down near the Clay Cove to turn around. Oh, wow. Oh, man. Man, the traffic was so bad. Piedmont Park, because that's where all the events were. They used to have some events at Lakewood. I don't know if people remember back in like 92, 93, they had some events at Lakewood.

Obviously, the AU Center where it kind of originated from. But yeah, that thing was... If they should have put... You know what? Maybe I should have sat down with them. I said, what y'all think about it? Because they had JD, they had Luke, they had Killer Mike, all those.

But JD was probably real young. Hell, JD might not could have even got in in the beginning. Because you know, I was 20, I was 20, hold on, what did I have,

20, so I was 24, 25, 26, 27, 28. And the heart of it. But then,

I'm like, okay, you know what?, okay, you know what? I say, you know what? I'm a little bit too old. 28-year-old. Most of them did college. They night somewhere between 18 and 21. Yeah. Man, dude, grandpa, dude, start coming out there with

real socks on. Man, y'all don't get y'all old ass out here and leave these kids alone. My last club, the last club I went to, I was 27. Yeah. I was 27 years old, the last club I went to. It was just one of those days, this one, the sparklers started to really start hitting the scene. Yeah. Because we can sneak in the club and sneak out. the sparklers started to really start hitting the scene. You know,

we could sneak in the club and sneak out. And when they start bringing the sparklers and start lighting up the section, it's like, yeah, it's time to go. Time to go, man. Yeah, but that freak Nick, man, they closed.

That was the first time I had it. But I knew it was coming, Gil. I knew because it kept getting bigger and bigger. All of a sudden, it was 50,000, then 75,000, then 100,000, and then a quarter of a... I said, ain't no way. And then it started to get reckless. They started taking the girls' tops off and started doing the songs,

and they started breaking into cars. I said, yeah, they about to end this. And when they had the Olympics, you know, Olympics came in 96. So now Atlanta is an international city because they got 100-plus countries that's going to be coming in, and they say, you know, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. But you know what? Some things have a shelf life. Some things are not meant to be.

This is the 100th annual, like Alabama-Auburn or Michigan-Ohio State. Some things are not meant to have a 100-year run. Some things are meant to have the run in which they had, and then they go away, and they burnt, hopefully, if you had a good enough time like your boy did, they're burnt in your memory. Yeah, yeah. Hey, listen, Freak Nick, anything that has to do with Freaky right now should be off the table

with all the stuff that's going on. Yeah. Lord of the Sky Night Ad, can you show us shoes in the back? Is it the shoes that you got in there? Oh, I know. You see,

look, I got pants on with sandals. I ain't got anything. I'm going to eat right after this. Oh, this is this right here, right? You know, NBA Live, NBA Live 2008.

Right. these is, these is my second signature shoe. Okay. This one right here is me and Dame Dollar. Right? Right. So, one side is me, one side is Dame.

So, this is, this came out this year. Right, so that's what these, uh, Undercrown did these. Right, so that's what these... Undercrown did these. Right, so this is back when Polo Waves wasn't allowed. But I read the... I read the rule book,

and the rule book in the NBA was you can't wear non-team colors for a game. Oh, okay. Yeah, so I wore it for a quarter or I wore it for a half so I couldn't get fined. What happened is I was breaking the color barriers and I ended up doing

20 different colorways one year. My second shoe I did 20 colorways. Right now, people don't know that I'm number one and two for the most colorways one year. My second shoe, I did 20 colorways. Right now, people don't know that I'm number one and two for the most colorways for a shoe in that same year.

This season, one, there's 16 colorways. And then the second one, this one, there's 20 colorways. So not so like a Jordan, right? Jordan keeps like dropping different colorways.

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But yes, Andrea, happy birthday. Hopefully you had a great day. I don't know if it's today, it's tomorrow, or we're wishing you a belated birthday. But happy birthday, Andrea. Hopefully you celebrated and many, many more birthdays to come. Thank you for watching Nightcap.

And grits, anytime you want. Anytime you want, sugar and grits with a little cheese, salt and pepper, girl, I'm all yours. Hey, hey, why the offset? Do you like that about your tight pants? Man, look, that man is entitled to his opinion. Like I said, he said, oh, you got to.

Like I said, look, I get it. You know, we had offset on back in 2020 at the Super Bowl and he and I hit it off. He showed me great. I didn't get upset. I didn't get offended. I laughed. I told him,

I'm going to keep these here. I like these right here. I'm comfortable. I do. I'm 55. It don't stop me from doing nothing. You know what I mean nothing Lainey Ray asked did either of you win

class superlative like best dressed most athletic class clown if not what do you think you should have been yes Lainey I won the most in my high school I got four the one that I know they got right most likely to succeed Laney, I won the most in my high school. Nobody's, I got four.

The one that I know they got right, most likely to succeed. Ta-da! But I got Mr. Senior. I got most athletic. I got, uh, what else did I get? I got most athletic, Mr. Senior, most likely to succeed. Did I get, what else did I get? I got most athletic, Mr. Senior, most likely to succeed.

Did I get, what else did I get? Damn, I don't forget now. But I got four. Nobody's ever got that many since and ain't nobody gonna ever get it because we don't even have a high school no more. So I've got the most superlative

and I defy, defy somebody who said they got more superlatives their senior year than one Shannon Sharp. I know you did. I got class clown all three years. Sophomore, junior, I had to keep the rep up. I got, I lost... Was it most athletic? I lost that football player, Samoan dude.

And then most likely to be on the Wheaties box. Didn't get that. You didn't? Hell no. You see me on the Wheaties box? I've been on the Wheaties box twice. I know. I was like, damn, that's the one I want.

That's the one I needed. I'm trying to take it... What did I get? I look. Mr box twice. I know. I was like, damn, that's the one I want. That's the one I needed. I'm trying to think of the... What did I get? I look, Mr. Senior, most athletic, most likely to succeed. God dang.

I have that tomorrow. Come, I'll switch to the house. You look at the seat. You look at the yearbook. I want to say, I don't know if I got best dressed. Nah, I don't know if I got best dressed. Nah, I don't.

I don't even know, but I got four. I do know that. I was one for three. I think my brother got most athletic. I think he got most athletic and missed most likely. I think he got most athletic and missed.

I think he got most likely to succeed and most athletic. I was two for four. Boy, they hit that devil in the head with most likely to succeed, huh, Gil? Oh, yeah, yeah. I think I got that one. Listen, I was always

the class clown. Gil, you know what? I should bring my senior book. Every female decided, Shannon, when you're in the NFL, don't forget about me. Shannon, when you're rich and famous, come back, make sure

you don't forget about me. Everybody, because I told them when I was a high school, I said, I'm going to the NFL. I said, I'm going to be a professional athlete. Dang.

If you read my senior book, the girls that signed my books, they said that. When you are rich and famous, when you're this famous NFL player, don't forget me. Did you forget them? No, I mean, no, no, no, because I don't forget me. Did you forget him? No, I mean,

no, no, no, because I haven't been back home. I don't think I've been back home since about I ain't been home in two decades. I mean not two decades, a decade since my son graduated high school. I mean college.

So I haven't been back home, but when I see him, yeah, I would, oh yeah So I haven't been back home. But when I see them, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm always cool with... This is how I am, Gil. If I'm cool with you then, I'm cool with you now. I don't know how you thought

I didn't rock with you then, but here we are 30, 40 years later, I rock with you. Listen, we had a Saditi school. Oh, did you? Yeah, yeah, girls thought The girls thought they was all that for the most part You know what I mean?

As soon as I made it to the NBA They tried to holler at you Had to double back Oh man, come on Yeah, girl, you work at Kinko's Pull up, what's happening? Yeah, you thought you was going to J? You at junior college.

What's up? How you doing? Yeah. Man, junior college. I killed a junior college in 13th grade. Man, that ain't nothing. I went back and laid low. No, I couldn't.

Oh, no, that's why I said I didn't forget none of them. Mm-mm. Nope. If you the holler at your boy, if you the holler at your boy, like, uh, uh, uh your boy, in high school, I ain't rock with you. I'm done. I'm moved on. Nah, not me. I went back

all the girls. Yes, sir. Yeah, y'all like money? I got that now, even though I didn't. I got it. Hey, listen, my first two years, my first two years, you know how everybody talk about all these NBA ladies are going to be in the

lobby? Yeah. Nah, nah, nah. All the girls that didn't want to sleep with me in high school because they was talking to older dudes went back to get them. Yeah. Come on, Gil. You can't do that. Yeah, they got regular jobs now.

Life hit them early. Yeah. I don't even think, I'm trying to think. I don't even think I doubled back in college. What? No, I didn't double back in. No, I didn't double back in college.. Nah, I didn't double back in college. Nah, see, no, because when I got to the NBA,

it was the girls from high school that graduated. They work at the mall now. Right. They work at the mall, you know. But I couldn't, I didn't, because, Gil, I wasn't going back like that anymore. And then, like, man, you know, like, high school, I mean, the pretty girls in high school

can't see the pretty girls in college. And the pretty girls in college can't see the girls that you see, like, when you go out into the real, like, you out into the real world. So. Yeah, I wasn't worried about none of that. Hey, come on now. A little bit of that escalator. What's up? What's happening? How you doing? But see, Gil, I had

a, my brother bought me my sophomore year in college, my brother bought me a 300Z. And then my senior, I had a big body Mercedes. Oh, y'all. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Oh, college? Yeah, college.

Oh, yeah. Out of HBCU. Oh, yeah, yeah. I went to the draft at 19. So, yeah, they were still... So, the girls are still right there. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, so that's right there. That's my age still.

Yeah. Because a lot of the girls, by the time, by the time, you know, they had started having kids, hell, we was in high school. So definitely by the time

I got to college and I got up out of college, they done had, they done had one, two, and three. Nah, that's right.

Right there. I was the richest person they knew with 300,000. And here, you'd have been the richest person they knew. With $300,000. And here, you'd have been the richest person they knew with $30,000. Gil, cash in that receipt from K-Mark for not

picking the Lakers tonight. Heard him today on Gil's Arena Live. Appreciate you on Nightcap Wednesday. One love. K-Mark went against the Lakers tonight? Of course. Of course. God damn. K-Mark is talking about theyakers tonight? Of course. Of course. God damn. K-Mart is talking about they was going to lose to the Memphis Grizzlies.

Try to stand on it. Nah. You'll see him tomorrow. I said we're going to win. I had him. I said we're going to go 8-2 in the last 10. Worst case scenario, 7-3. I think those last two games, that's going to be difficult.

They got difficult teams. I think those teams will be getting ready for the playoffs, giving those games up. Who did they play Friday? The Sixers? Yeah. Wait, this is the Sixers? Yeah, we playing the NB list

yeah we gotta get them no we play Pacers oh the Pacers just try they ain't playing no defense all they try to do make a miss they try to push the pace you know with teams like that

we just gonna give it to A.D. and LeBron going to hit the rim, make them play defense down there and get a bunch of... And they're talking about, oh, man, look at all the free throws. Cause they don't play no defense. They ain't got nobody, one person that can play D, and that's Miles Turner.

He can't guard everybody. All you got to do is put the ball on the floor. Put the ball on the floor and get to the rack. They're going to foul you. Hope they don't call it because they're trying to push the pace, make or miss. Missed shot, they're getting the ball at their aim. They're pushing it. Made shot,

they throw it in the air. I watched it. Look, they gave up 150. I don't care what anybody say, Gil. You ain't playing no defense until you let somebody get 150 zero that's what I said we should be good money going into these last 10 games

yeah we should be real good we got the Nets we got the Wizards you got to win those are the games that you got to win we got to win those so you know. But they're all games that we should be able to pencil in.

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe the, hold on, the Suns. Yeah, boy, I almost, you almost did a nightcap by yourself. I almost went to watch that game.

And I don't... Oh, man. The Suns won. They're winning with less than 30 seconds, 104 to 95. 104 to 95. Okay. Yeah. Well, it's 104 to 95 with 15 seconds.

KD had 30. Book had 17. Grayson Allen had 13. KD had 30. Book had 17. Grayson Allen had 13. Bradley Bill had 10. Eric Gordon had 10. Murray didn't play. He played well. Yoke had 22, 10, and

9. Murray didn't play. Murray didn't play. And they didn't shoot the three ball well. 10 for 40 from the three. So, I was hoping the Nuggets could pull it off so we can gain a little bit on that.

We can gain on them boys. Yeah, we got to try to get to that six seed. We need that. Need that. Like a whole knee slap. So, thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Please, please make sure you hit that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. I am

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Ocho and I are back tomorrow night. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Yep. Wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast, NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal. Five days a week, you'll get all the latest news and the best analysis delivered by the time you get your coffee. The show hits every single game every single week, but I can't do it alone.

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