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Episode Date: November 20, 2025Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to Desean Jackson throwing gasoline on the Aj Brown Jalen Hurts relationship, Ocho & Joe react to Claressa Shields te...aching Shannon how to box, and the NBA has been hit with injuries at an alarming rate and much more! 0:00 - DeSean Jackson on the AJ Brown/Jalen Hurts relationship14:05 - Claressa Shields teaching Shannon how to box20:54 - NBA hit with disastrous injury rate to start the season42:00 - Houston Rockets are dominating46:30 - Play or Fade with PrizePicks49:18 - Q & Ayyyyy (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Okay, Deshawn Jackson threw some gasoline on the AJ Brown,
Jalen Hurd's relationship.
D. Jack says, as you can tell, it's something else going on,
and I got a great relationship with him.
I respect him.
I can say it, but I know something else is going on.
It's not all about football.
It's not all about X's and O's.
I have a relationship with the quarterback,
and I didn't necessarily like.
And when they ain't there, it sticks like a sore thumb.
That's all I'm going to say.
Now, we know he didn't have the greatest relationship with Donald McNam.
I guess he was telling the story about D. Jack was one of the first players.
I think he got, he was first team.
I think he was a first team, he was a pro bow receiver and a pro bowl pro pro bowl butt returner.
Like the first time that a player had been selected to the pro bowl in two positions.
And he said that Donald said something to the.
to the fact that I don't think he should have made it as this.
I don't know.
That's what D. Jack was telling the story.
But he has a straight had, or had,
I don't know the relationship currently,
a strange relationship with D. Matt.
D. Jack said, hey, something else going on.
That's all he's going to say.
He ain't going to say no more, Ocho.
He said, but there's something going on.
Ojo, you were the wide receiver.
As far as I know, you had a great relationship
with all your quarterback.
Ketna, Carson,
and I think that I've only really
quarterback. I don't know if you had anybody else in Cells
and said it. Yeah. I mean, Scott Mitchell.
Yeah. I've never had any issues.
I never had the issues. No,
no gripes obviously with the quarterbacks
which to me
to me, if you think about
me, Joe, you know me for a while. Uncle,
you know me for a while, not just on the show
but before, you know, I'm very likable.
I'm very likable. Not in the setting
just like this talking on the mic, but
hell, come on, man, damn.
I see, I see.
That's it
You know Spanish right
I see I see
Yeah yeah yeah I got you
I got you
But I'm very likable Joe
And I'm easy to get along with
In any environment
Hey Joe
I walk in a room
Boy I light up the whole goddamn room
Joe
I'm the same way in the locker room
So I've never had any issues
With any quarterbacks
When it's time to work
You know what you get
Except when you're on nightcap
You don't light up that room
Yeah I said that out loud
Did you hear that oh Joe
I said that out of
I heard you
Oh my bad
I love everybody.
I love everybody.
So I ain't really had no problems.
I never understood why receivers get into it with the quarterback
and they're the ones that got to get him the ball.
Hey, Ocho.
Give you the ball.
Why they call y'all divas?
Why they call receivers divas?
Oh, you know, they always look for a word to use
when we're not aligned and how they view we should be like.
That's so they define a word to use.
When we don't conform to the ways they think we should act.
Right.
You know, they find a word to use.
they call it a diva you know oh he don't want to get with the program you know what he's a diva oh he don't
want to be a political robot oh he's a diva oh he has personality oh he likes to be an individual
and express himself yeah he's a diva just a bunch of bullshit joe that's all it is right i got you
should be name any of the top female artists and everybody says the same thing about it from
Marifa, to Patty, to Shaka, to Beyonce, to Mariah, to Whitney, all I'm saying the same thing.
Yeah.
Name one that they didn't call that.
When you them, when you them girls, okay, so be it.
Yeah.
Okay.
They them guys, they know it.
Yeah.
They know it.
They got a problem with it.
Hey, all I want you to do, hey, just go out there and score touchdowns, get the yards,
all that other stuff.
Hey, I'm going to let y'all work that up with your quarterback.
Yeah, y'all work that up with the quarterback.
quarterback but like Ocho said
if that guy got to throw me the ball
he's the last guy I'm going to piss off
I'll piss off the offensive coordinator before I piss off
him because even if the coordinator calls
something that's not coming to me I'm not primary
that quarterback liked me enough
I'm going to be primary whether he called
it or not exactly
so I'm staying on his good side
damn what the day
because at the end of the day
it's like well what you say hey
John said hey we called this I want you to run
this. Got it. That's not what we call. That's what he called. I don't give
them what y'all call. That's what he called. You ain't got no ball in your hand. You got a
clipboard. You got a headset. Right. I want the football. He got it. And he told me to run this.
So I assume he's going to throw me the ball. So take it up there. I don't even, hey, Ocho,
I don't start to carry it on. I said, hey, he called it. Take it with him. I'm going to the bench.
but look
it ain't going away
because we've seen
because what has happened
Ocho is that I think
a lot of people thought
after they won the Super Bowl
you know what A.J.
Say you know what
but A.J. wants to win
and he wants to
he wants the offense to be productive
he knows there's a level
that this offense can get to
that is not getting to
and he's tired of like
oh you know
skating by
and relying on the defense and, you know, 15 completed, you know, 15 passes
when this offense can be so much more.
Yes.
And he's like, I'm just tired of it.
And so if going to the Pro Bowl last year, winning the Super Bowl wasn't going to suppress
that, you think getting him four targets a game, and he going to be cool with that
after he came up a Pro Bowl and a Super Bowl, Joe?
Yeah, it's crazy.
Crazy.
It ain't going to happen.
It's just not.
And I don't know, I don't know what they can do short of him being like Jackson Smith and Jigba or being Cooper or being a Pookin Nakua where you're getting 10, 11 targets a game.
I don't even, I don't know.
I don't know.
A, I can joke, that offense, obviously when you think about JSN and what he's doing in Seattle, when you look at Pooking the Coor and obviously with the Rams, the creativity, the schemes, the multiple formations that they put those individuals in to be successful and get those kind of volumes.
targets and catches and yards, that's not the Eagles offense.
That's not the way they run the offense, nor do they have the type of
quarterback. Is he capable of doing that or throwing high volume like that?
Maybe, but that's not what they do in Philly. It's just not.
So when the targets that you do get, it's going to be a few of them.
You better maximize them. You better maximize them. You've got to maximize them every time,
every chance you get. Yeah, I agree. I mean, the way Matthew staff
for throwing that thing around the field.
It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, is, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,
Joe, Joe, Joe, he's a gunslinger, Joe, Joe, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not calling him brett far,
I'm not calling him Aaron Rogers, but he ain't too far off when it comes to throwing that goddamn
ball. Oh, he can throw it. He's different, boy.
And the thing, and the thing is, is that now you get a bread of appreciation for him because he's winning.
Yes.
He didn't do nothing different than what he did in Detroit.
Yeah.
He's just winning now.
He got some whippers.
He was throwing no look passes in Detroit.
He threw for 5,000 yards in Detroit.
He had a 500-yard game in Detroit.
Yeah.
He's just winning now.
Yeah.
You see the difference between winning and losing?
We look at Matthew Stafford totally different now than when we looked at him in Detroit.
And he got to read that.
And he's the exact same player.
He's just winning.
You got a ring now, too.
So, see, what did you say, Ocho?
You see how a ring changed the perception of it?
Yeah.
How we think.
Yeah.
But a ring does that.
The ring will change the perspective of how we look at women.
How we look at women, they're more stable.
They're settled down.
Structure.
They're more structured.
They're level-headed.
They're more apt to act accordingly.
Yeah.
See, I ain't talking about no super.
I'm just talking about,
they go on his finger.
Yeah. Yeah.
You see how we look at things totally different
with that ring,
be male, female,
let me, let me, let me,
where it be male or woman.
Because I don't want them, they'll talk about,
oh, fee, you see how, you see how besides you daddy.
He said, him, he called them what women.
Yeah.
Women. I apologize.
Anybody that was offended that I've used the term female,
I apologize.
I meant women, ladies.
women. And I'm glad you went there too with that. I know we were talking football, but you gave
a nice little life, a nice little life lesson on, on how we're viewed on the outside looking
in. Especially for those who can, who can see us and want to partner with and have a better
understanding. Well, here, these individuals, these young, these young black men, older black men as well,
they got a little discipline now. They're not the same as they was. That's what I'm going to do. Yeah, I got to
I'm doing, Joe. Joe.
Yeah.
But we're a big three.
We might as well go back to.
Hey, hey, hey, look, look.
I like how Jordan and Ash done the little, the wood thing right before, you know,
right before we came on, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hold up, though, why I got to be the drunk, the drunk guy getting married with no sense,
though.
That's all I'm saying.
Why I got to be that guy?
Why, y'all couldn't figure out nobody else with me to be.
I got to be taking things.
I had losing my mind going crazy.
Hey, Joe, who was?
was I? Who was I in that movie? Which one was I on the, on the, on the, I don't know, man. I don't know. I
didn't know I was the one out there drunk, disgust, busted and disgusting. Come on now. Well, damn, so
let me get it right. You want to be to be that guy, Joe? No, I shouldn't be an Ocho.
Me? Oh, Joe. Hey, I don't even drink. I don't even drink so it can't be me. They don't know
that, though. Okay, yeah, you're right. Hey, but hold on, hold on. Let me get back to my point,
now. Let me get back to my point. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead, Coach. We talk about rings and how rings and how
rings, you know, we're viewed differently.
Shaped the perception of how people view you.
Or how people view us. So I think, Joe,
Joe, you're not married, but you got your woman, huh?
Yeah.
Hey, one thing about it. Hey, um, listen, we say we were
jumping the room next year. And we can make it
a triple deck of wedding.
We got a good, I probably, we probably get a great
price on the venue. Yeah. Joe, what you want to do,
Joe? We got to say, talk about this guy.
Nah, hey, Joe, boy, you got cold feet, nigga. Don't do that.
He got cold feet. And you asked that a little too fast.
I'm saying that too fast.
All right, all, I'm just saying, we got, we got a really, we got a real.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I mean, I mean, I'm, I mean, you know, you've been with your people for a little minute.
Now, you lay, I mean, me and Joe, I mean, I might need a, man, like I said, might be 27.
Can I do something to do something like 17?
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Now, you promise, you promised, you said 2026, you were jumping to broom, now.
Promise, you know, hey, Ocho.
Nah.
My grandpa said, promise you say, promise like pie crust, thin and easily broken.
You know what I'm saying?
A marriage is a commitment.
Hey, and I listen, and marriage is a commitment also.
And with that marriage, how do they view you again?
Tell me one more time.
They view you as structured and stable, and that's somebody I want to, I want to, that's why you see.
That's why you say, hey, think about it.
Patrick Mahomes, what did he do?
Josh Allen, what did Josh Allen do this off season?
Mary.
Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, Michael Jordan.
What did they do?
Stephen Curry.
What did they do?
Now you hear it.
Shohay Otane, Aaron Judge.
The only guy that was really like the baseball guy was Jeter.
Yeah.
He waited to after he'd get married.
But if you go back and look at the other guys, Barry Bond, all those guys.
So what the Target would do?
Go get married.
Yeah.
Bill Mickelson was married.
Jack, Arnold, all those guys were married.
So what is that telling you?
So you're saying it, you run it all the way down and you still and you still not
understanding. I understand the Joe Ocho.
Okay. Okay. Okay. So
2026, we jump
in the broom. Whether you want to, whether
you want to or not, I'm sure you got
somebody in mind. And listen,
you can get to, you can get to. I'm a limbo
over that thing.
Oh, yeah.
I'm able to.
I'm able to. I'm
doing the middle boat, Joe. I'm going
up on. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm glad
we're on the same page, man. I'm glad we're on the
same page because, hey, we can be viewed differently.
And once we're viewed differently, boom, we're talking about more blessings.
You know, you know what?
We could work with them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're a little different now.
They didn't settle down.
Yeah, the clouds.
The storm is going on now.
It ain't nothing but sunshine.
Ocho, we can't, we can't do that or we can't do that talking no more though, Ocho.
What kind of talking?
The kind of talking that we used to do.
That's okay.
We can't, we can, hey, listen, we can't, we can't lose.
We can't, listen, we can't lose our heads now.
We can't do that.
We can't lose our heads.
I thought uncle coming back in 26.
We're supposed to.
You know, we, yeah, we, hey, Joe, you know, I'm still, I still got, you know, I got, I got 12, I got 12 months probation.
So they say, you know, probably like May, like after a little bit after April May.
Okay.
You know, hey, you know, April May.
Man, hell no.
When that ball drop?
Hey, hey.
Hey, Joe.
Hey, you know, hey, Ocho, you know what I'm saying?
It's 2.45.
You know what I'm saying?
Hey, when that ball drop, it's a rap.
It's a new year.
Come on, Ocho.
When the ball drop.
My probation officer, he'd be watching.
And fuck the P.O.
You, a good time serve.
You know, they let you off early.
Yes, all.
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Let's take a look at this.
Let me see that.
Where you at, huh?
Almost.
So we're going to be your legs on.
Hey, man, step into your punch.
Right foot.
Okay.
Because what you're going to do when you push off, you want to make sure that your
that your waist stay in the middle of here.
So when you push off, you're going forward, but you still just, uh, take a little step.
Go.
That's the good job.
So you push not.
So you push not.
It doesn't get your money back.
Yeah, they're going to feel it though.
See, I'm just waiting.
So that's one of the ones that, that's like a flicker.
If you push off your back way that you really want to push off and really get it, ah.
That is going, it's going to stick them.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, make them say what's up.
Okay.
So if I'm going to, boom.
You're going to put it on.
You got that power.
That's power.
I'm eating that.
So when you got this hand here, you get the hand up.
So you're going to hand your chin and get that.
You're right.
So you're going to pull this shoulder back, switch the position, and put that shoulder in.
over in front that's what a power come okay oh boom almost again go this that was
more stronger oh oh oh oh well you and you stiff it in ginger brayer your jab a little
soft boom boom that's oh you see that yeah they stop you they stop moving yes you really
over that jab so now we got that jab we got that right we're gonna get our hook we're gonna
pull this shoulder back now and make a L with this hand, an L, uppercase L.
Yeah.
Ah, ah, ah, I sweats.
I need to wrap.
We have to work on that hook, babe.
Hey.
You're sweating already.
Yeah, you see that.
Baby.
You're not ready.
So last four is we're going to have a jab.
Step with it.
We're going to have that two.
You're going to put that three on me.
And the upper cut, then, see everything to be on top.
One, two, three.
With the upper cut, you're making a you here.
So it's coming from here.
Here, if you want to go to the body, being your legs, you're going to go to the head.
You bring it right now.
One, two, three, over here.
There we go.
Perfect.
It's actually too good.
Hey, that's Stephen A. Smith's uppercut.
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They're ready.
They're ready.
They're ready for us.
They're ready for us in real.
Hey, hey, I can't get you going to call me.
And I'm coming.
Hey, hey, oh, wait, man, hey.
Hey, Joe.
Hey, oh, you got to come work with your boy, man.
We can come up with your boy.
I'm going to show you how that thing is supposed to look.
Hey, hey, hey, ask.
Hey, show, show, oh, show, Uncle, Joe, that clip, man.
Hey, chat.
Let me show you how you're supposed to look.
Hey, look at this.
Look at this.
It's how I'm supposed to look.
And look how, look how smooth.
Joe, I don't play, Joe.
Nice and tight.
Everything.
Hey, my hand, hand, oh, up top.
Just, ugh, just real.
sharp.
Hey, man, listen.
Hey, Uncle,
I got so much admiration for
boxers, bro.
Yeah.
Not only just the shape
that they be in,
but that's like a rhythm and time
and sport.
It is.
That ain't nothing you can just pick up
and go in there and know
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Everything is tied together.
Yeah.
Everything tied together.
Hey, the feet, them hands
tied to the feet.
Hey, the funny thing about it is the whole body got to be working in unison.
It does.
Everything has to be working in unison.
And obviously there's certain coordination that you have in football to be able to transition in the boxing.
It's very difficult.
It is.
Very, very, very difficult.
But, you know, boxing, that's my thing.
And, you know, when I fight Devo, hey, Joe, when I fight Devo, when I fight Debo and that y'all just saw a nice little clip.
And that's from three years ago.
So you got to understand.
I've been training for the last, one, two, three,
the last five years now since I fought.
And obviously, you know, it's my first time in there.
So I'm not going to look nothing like that.
I thought, I don't, I thought you were fighting in the octagon.
Oh, Joe, I'm going to keep him out of distance, Joe.
I'm going to keep up.
Yeah, you got to use that.
Joe, you just saw that clip, right?
Yeah, them feet.
Joe, I'm going to keep him out of distance.
I'm hitting about 10 times.
And he'll never be able to touch me.
Never be able to grab me, Joe.
Hey, I'm getting around everything, too.
Hold on, Joe.
Hey, Joe, I'm not running either.
I'm not right.
You stay in now.
You're right there.
You're in now.
I'm telling you what I'm going to do.
I'm going to keep my arm out from my range.
And I'm going to stay at mid range the whole time.
Like, hey, like both of y'all got your feet in that tie.
You right there on them.
Hey, Joe, I'm coming through him.
I'm parrying everything.
Whatever it may be, Joe.
I'm doing whatever it takes, Joe.
I'm getting in there.
He's going to get that work.
Hold on.
You say your trainer told you something.
I'm about to stay on the phone.
Oh, hey, Joe, I'm on the phone every time
because that's how I got knocked down
in my first fight.
You wasn't on that phone?
I wasn't on that phone.
Joe, I was tired.
I couldn't, hey, Joe, I couldn't.
I swample to go.
Hey, it was funny.
Everybody be making jokes.
Oh, you got knocked down, whatever.
You got down, boy, you haven't been in the box of ring?
There's three minutes long, ain't it?
Long-ass time.
Oh, long, long, long time.
Your arm gets so heavy, you can't even lift them up.
Joe, I was in, we was in the fourth round, Joe.
Oh, my honor.
I swear to God, Joe, I was in hell of shape.
We got to the fourth round that last minute.
Joe, I couldn't even put my hand up here if I wanted to.
I couldn't.
I couldn't put it up.
I couldn't.
I did everything I could.
That's why you feel all trained.
That's why they have the hands up.
That's why they train like that.
You get used to halting your hands up when you tire.
Because if you don't, it's going to be night, nine.
And the thing is, Joe, anytime you throw a punch, you leave yourself open.
Because if I shoot the jab out here, yeah, I'm protecting this.
But he'd come over the top with something, p'ap.
Quick.
If you go back and look at how Bud Crawford called Canello,
Canelo threw the jab,
Bud was right, okay.
Bud felt him out.
They got to them later round.
He'd shoot the jab, bud over the top, wow.
Right away.
And then you know you got to be so confident, Joe.
You got to be willing to exchange.
You got to take one to give one.
You got to be willing to exchange.
But I'm excited.
I'm excited.
Hey, Debo, hey, James Harris, and I hope you see this.
I got too much muscle, Joe.
I got to lose about 15, 20 pounds
to be able to get them shoulders right.
Yeah, man.
I live too much.
Yeah.
What you look at that, Joe, oh, Joe.
I was looking at the chat.
I was hoping Debo was in the chat.
I just know I'm going to beat his ass.
I'm going to rearrange his face.
I'm going to rearrange his furniture.
He thinks, oh, hey, all that muscle, Joe,
I'm going to have him looking so silly out there, Joe,
with the footwork, man.
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I'm a give me a
three pieces in a biscuit, move around.
Hey, move around, Joe.
Not run away, Joe, move around.
I get you.
I got you.
Joe, this is your subject.
The NBA at large is having seemingly
been hit with an injury and a disastrous
rate to start of 2025.
We're not in them a month into the season.
Janis, Wemby, Anthony Edwards, Anthony
Davis, Kauai Leonard, Zion,
Paulo Ban Carroll, all sitting out
and have already with meaningful lower bodies,
either calves, groin, or elyle,
The league average pace of play by team is 100.5, which would be the fastest since the late 80s.
Joe, have you ever seen this many stars miss this kind of time this early in an NBA season?
No, I have it, Uncle Ocho.
I hate it for the game.
But, man, listen, you know, back when I first came in, man, guys are working, man.
We were playing.
The guys playing hard.
You practice hard.
You weren't just revving it up for the game.
And I feel like now in this, in today's game,
you know guys are really just saving their legs for the game and it's like you revving it up so high
during the game and then you're taking two three days off and then you revving it back up
i mean you're bound to get some of these soft tissue injuries to groin the hamstrings the
calves some bound to give man at some point i mean basketball is strictly running sprints
sprints quick sprints up and down the floor so i don't know man i i i hate it for the game
But, yeah, I think I'm not sure if guys work as hard as they,
as guys used to, I'm just be honest with you.
No, it's a different game.
I mean, Ocho and now, we know it in our sport.
They don't practice like they once did.
Training camp, they don't practice like they once did.
There really no two of days where guys are out there piling on each other twice.
Practices mainly walk through now.
I think they can only have, what, 13 practice, Ocho, and during the season.
It's just a different time now.
Yeah, it is.
I just think the thing is that you've got to put your body,
through what you wanted to go through.
The rigors of an NFL season
is that you hit in practice.
I mean, I ain't said you got to take the guy
to the ground, Ocho, but you got to let them feel it.
You got to thud up.
Right, yeah.
Get your body used to that.
You can't ask a car.
I mean, to ask a car to just get out there on the track
and say, you know what, we're just going to be chilling,
just take it out the garage and say, okay,
not go 500 miles.
No.
No.
If you're only doing that every Sunday,
then something else, you're going to throw a ride
and won them since.
Exactly.
But I'm, the pace of play.
I mean, I saw the Lakers let the Lakers got 140.
I saw a team the other night in regulation got 157.
These teams, I mean, that's what it used to be.
That's what it used to be.
You saw, you saw easy a 160 to 150, a 155 ball game, 170, 180s.
Teams just score 180 points on Joe.
Yeah.
I mean, I think it was the, the pistons, beat the nuggets.
183, 181, 181, 180, 183, 181, something like that.
But teams would routinely get into 140s and 130s, 140s.
And then in the 90s, they shut it down.
And then all of a sudden it was 93 to 68.
And people are like, man, don't nobody want to see that bull, John.
At all.
Now you got guys scoring what the entire team scored in the ball game.
You got guys scoring that by themselves, Joe.
You can, you see guys getting 70 points.
You see guys getting 60-something points in a game, a one guy.
When in the 90s, there were teams scoring 60-something points.
Man, listen, every guy on the floor now is a threat.
It's a great for sure.
To score, to shoot the ball.
You can't be out there if you're a liability nowadays.
Nope.
You know, these teams putting up, they, they're going to give you them appetizing shots
because they want to tempo, they want to pace.
So you're going to play against, you know,
some of these teams who get up and down and
you get you a couple good free looks, but
man, listen, the game
has played at a much, much faster pace
nowadays because you don't have guys, obviously
it ain't but three, four guys in the NBA
who post up, man. Yeah, for sure.
It ain't but three, four guys. I mean,
then you look at some of the top guards
like Lucas Sheet,
Brun, I'm talking about guys who are on the
perimeter and they post up and they can play
out the post, but it ain't but a few
guys who post up in this league now.
It's pick and roll, league, catch and shoot.
Catch and go.
Yep.
And the guy that,
but the guy that can post up
can all shoot the three.
You're looking at Yokich.
That's crazy.
I think Jokic had another triple double
at the end of three quarters.
You look at Shungun.
He can post up,
but he can shoot the three.
Yonis is not the most proficient.
He can post up.
Now, guys, it used to be,
every guy on the court.
If you messed up and have a night
and not pay him attention,
he can go get 30, 40 points on you.
Yeah, why are you playing?
Yeah.
It used to be only your top two guys.
Maybe you had one, two guys on a team.
Now, Gracie Allen dropped 42 points.
Crazy.
Yeah.
Now, I'm telling you, you don't pay attention to these guys.
You're like, oh, man, don't worry about it.
He with us.
That Joe will go, he'll go eight for 14 from the three.
Yeah.
And you know something like, man, that Joe got 40 on us.
Yeah.
You're talking about you thinking Hardinstein can't play.
You look up, he got 30 points and 17 rebounds.
Yes.
Yeah, you're right.
You're absolutely right.
It's a different time now.
These guys, these guys are real.
See, and I think the thing is, look, I'm not saying the guy,
I'm not saying, I look at it like this, Joe.
I think the guys are more skilled in a softer league.
So the numbers are going to get out of hand.
Because back then, the physicality,
they're not letting you come.
You might come down the lane one time.
I bet you won't bring your ass back down there again.
I'm telling you wouldn't.
I'm telling you, you're right.
And there weren't no flagrant files.
That's play on.
Now, you know, you go to block a shot and the guy comes down on your foot, that's a flagrant.
They're going to get the shot.
They're going to get three points and they're going to get the ball.
It's just a different game.
So these guys are so skilled now.
It's just like the quarterbacks, Ocho.
You know, the quarterbacks now, they got throwing coaches.
Hell, they're in junior high.
Yeah, oh, absolutely.
They're going to these seven-on-seven camps.
and they're working with guys.
So when they come in the league that's so skilled,
now I'm skilled in a league where we can't punish the quarterback,
we can't touch the receivers,
we can't punish the receivers.
So we got guys that are more skilled
and are not as physical of a league,
you see what you're going to get?
It's the same thing in the NBA.
You get guys that are more skilled that's in a softer league,
and now you get these numbers, it's not astronomical.
I agree.
Because the talent in the NBA now is so much different from what we've ever seen.
I ain't never seen as many seven-footers who can play the point guard, who can shoot the three,
who could post up, who can playmate.
It's, man, I watched Singoon play the other night, the center for Houston.
Yes.
Listen, Ocho, that man's seven-foot.
They're inbounding the ball of him.
He's walking it up like he's magic Johnson, right and pick and roll.
I saw him get dunked on the night, too.
Did he?
Yeah, but it was a foul on, what's the one with the Afro?
Oh, yeah, he pushed off Jared Allen.
Yeah, Jared Allen, he mushed him, but he dunked on you, but he mushed him in the face.
Man, listen, these dudes, hey, they, back, even back when I came into the NBA in 2001, guys wasn't playing like that.
You had two traditional bigs.
Yeah, oh, yeah.
None of them shot threes, you know what I mean?
So the floor was a lot more clogged up.
Now it's so much space out there.
Right.
that you have, if you're a great one-on-one guy,
you can get by your man, man, man,
you're going to always create opportunities, yeah, yeah.
And that's why, so that's why the score is up.
I mean, look how many of 30-point scores we got.
Man.
Look at Austin Reeves.
Austin Reeves averaging, like, 28 points a game.
Man, Lakers look good, oh.
Yeah.
You see Braun come in and fit right?
Take that.
Yeah, quick.
Look, look, look what Braun tell you.
Man, I ain't just no score.
I ain't got a score 25 a night.
I'm going to settle for the little left, 12 assists.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm going to fill my way in.
I'm going to get to where y'all want me to get to.
But right now, I ain't no need me interrupting with Luca and the A.R.
got going on the boy, bawling out of control over that.
It's so funny, as great as LeBron is, he has an understanding and a self-awareness
to understand, listen, when I come in the night, I'm going to facilitate.
Yeah.
I think LeBron is probably the best overall, overall in every aspect of the game.
He brings everything to the table.
You know, he's not coming in, you know what,
oh, I need the ball in my hands, I need to dominate,
I need to be able to shoot.
He has such a feel for the game
to be able to come in and do what he did yesterday
with all the time he's had off
because of him and having a cicada.
And that's crazy.
He looked real good.
I mean, look, and Luca,
how do you stop him?
Because you can't speed him up.
He's bigger than you think.
He's stronger than you think.
Yeah.
And there's not a shot that he can't make.
I mean, you saw the guy make three half-court shots in a row.
Where did they do that at?
I mean, we've seen guys make half-court shots.
Okay, fine.
He made three in a row from half court.
Yeah.
I mean, he said to step back, and just when you think, hey, he'll head fake you up,
and then whoop, whoa, he'll, hey, get you up in the air, jump into you, and one.
Yeah.
He had 30-something tonight, and you look up, you're like,
I thought I knew he was special when I saw him do what the clippers,
and they had this great defensive team.
had Kauai, they had PG,
they had Pat Bell, they had all these
defenders, and he cooked every last
one of them. They didn't win,
but he cooked every last one of them.
I say, well, with that defensive team, if they
can't stop him, what happens if he goes
against a team that don't have defensive guys
like that? You're not stopping that.
I agree. I agree.
He's not. He's cold.
He cold.
Yes. He ain't,
like I said, he ain't, he
he ain't moving fast out there, but he
understand angles. He can flip his hips
real quick to where, you know,
he could cut you off and get to his spot.
Right. And once he raised up,
you're so nervous that you don't want to jump.
You don't get a foul that you're a late contest.
And he's probably going to make that nine times out of ten.
Yep.
But look at the guys. Look at Bird.
Wasn't the fastest. He'd get to where he wanted to go,
how he wanted to get there.
Same thing with Yokich. You look at the guy,
Yokic ain't going to jump over a credit card,
but he's going to bust your ass for a 30-point triple double
on a nightly basis. Look at Luca.
He ain't going to jump over a poster stamp,
but he's going to give you 35, 10, and 8 on a nightly basis.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Boy got game, man.
He good.
Yes.
I think, and for me, I think Bron is in a perfect situation.
He ain't going to, they don't have to count on him to score all more 30 at night.
Nope.
He could settle for 22, you know what I mean, 12 boys, tennis, something like that.
Like, you know, he, he's going to be able to kind of coast his way into this.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, it's going to be, like I said, I mean, the guys, look, I'm old enough to remember,
and I remember those guys in the 80s, but I just think it's things called evolution.
They know more.
They got better training.
They got better supplementation.
They got better nutrition.
So obviously, as things evolve, you know, and if I evolve something, Ocho, and then you make it easier for me to do it,
these guys look superhuman.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm looking at Luca and some, and Shea and I'm looking at these guys.
They don't even look.
Think about it.
Do you understand the average in 30 points was reserved for some of the best?
Yeah.
These guys are getting 30 points like it ain't nothing.
I'm rolling out of bed.
Yes.
I mean, I think Shay has one game this year in which he hasn't scored 30.
That's crazy.
I mean, I'm just looking at him.
I'm looking at these guys.
I'm like, well, damn, pretty soon.
I mean, 30 is the new
20, basically the new 25.
And pretty soon,
Joe, I'm going to be honest.
I'm not going to be surprised
that somebody average 40 points a game.
40? 40.
Look at least, think about it.
Luca averaging 35 now.
Well, listen, whatever player come along,
you know, obviously right now
the European players are the best players
in NBA. Whoever comes along
averaging 40, 40 a game.
Somebody's going to be in the high 30s, 40s.
Watch.
He's going to be, hey, he's going to be in shape like Yanis,
but he's going to have a jumper like KD.
Oh, yeah.
You got to, hey, if you, if you're going to average 40 up,
you're going to have to be in some shape.
Yeah.
Look, think about Luca.
Luca walking the ball up.
Luca ain't pushing the ball up.
Luca walking the ball up.
He's going to get to his spot.
Yeah.
Boy, if Luke, and let me tell you how,
if Luca shot 40%, because Luca's going to shoot a low
because he shoots so many stepback threes.
So he's going to shoot a low percentage.
But if he see a couple of them things going early,
you might as well forget it.
It's like, hey, he's going to get 40, 50 on us tonight
and just like, hey, we're just going to try to contain everybody else.
It's kind of like what Ty Loo said.
Tailu said our job was to let Yokish score,
but don't let anybody else do anything.
Okay, 55, 12, and 6 later.
Well, I ain't know he's going to score like that.
Yeah.
Yeah, they got that kind of ability.
A big guy that can shoot, he can post.
Mm-hmm.
Hey, hey, hey, and he doesn't figure out your defense.
Okay, cool.
They ain't bringing the double team tonight.
So it's just me.
He's going to cook box.
Me and big zoo box, I'm going to give him a little dream shake down here.
Hey, Joe, he's going to pump and up and under you.
Yeah, ain't anything you can do.
Ain't anything you can do.
He's got to hope he missed.
And now Aaron Gordon, who got in.
injured, Aaron Gore was knocking down three.
So if you bring, if you bring the guy of Aaron Gordon, boom, he kick it there and
going to Aaron Gordon, he makes that, that hammer pass cross court, boom, knock down
three.
Okay, you break Jamar Murray can knock it down.
It's just these guys now, man, they can just go crazy with it.
That's just like, damn.
Yeah, I think what we yoke is why I love him so much because he just kind of takes
what you give him.
If you want him to be a score, he'll score.
If you want him to be a passer, he don't have no problem, get 17 assists.
If you need him to rebound, you can get 20, boys.
He ain't tripping.
You know what I mean?
He's going to average a triple double again.
He just, he got a triple double again tonight.
Man, this is crazy.
Boy, nice, boy.
I mean, I would not be surprised when it's all saying done.
This joker don't have 250, maybe 300 triple doubles Joe and Ocho.
Yeah.
He's going to break Russ record.
I mean, he probably, he doesn't pass bronze.
So he's probably behind.
Russ, Oscar, maybe Magic.
I mean, he,
look and see what Yokech is.
He's probably number four already in Triple doubles.
It was a second round pick.
The man got drafted in the Taco Bell commercial.
He three behind magic.
How many does he have?
Okay, he's on for it in front of him.
How many is Yon have?
150.
He got 172 already.
Oscar had the record, I think, with 180, with 181.
Russ probably has like 208, 2, 9, maybe 210.
He might pass Russ this year.
Let that sink in.
Because he doesn't have wearing tear on his body,
Joe, because he's not a race car.
Right.
No.
He's a station wagon.
All you do is pick it up, dropping it,
kids off the schools.
Slow and steady.
That's it. And when he on the road,
he ain't going, hey,
whatever the speed limit is, that's what he going.
Here in the school zone, they say
15, 20, that's what he going.
It's say 35, 40, that's what he going.
He ain't going above 60.
So y'all might as, hey,
he's going to be in the right lane.
He ain't going to be in that fast-ass lane. He ain't going to be
in the center lane. But man,
these guys, I'm watching this, Joe.
They're going crazy.
Hey, look, the MVP, it's going to come down.
I mean, I know it's kind of like a two-man race right now
with him and Shay, but Yoke's got, I mean, Dodger's going to be,
Luca's going to be in there.
Because the Lakers are going to win enough games this year.
Lucas is going to be in there.
Yon is always going to be in it.
Yoke just had his 10th triple-double in 14 games.
Damn.
Joe, people don't want to give credit.
It's hard for people.
to give up those old guys.
But when it's saying done,
it's going to be hard.
If he gets another championship or two,
Joe, it's going to be hard
to not have him in the top 10.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, he just, he covers every facet of the game.
He's such a great passer,
a willing passer.
Right.
And it's like, but don't get it twisted now
because I drop 50 on you now.
You fall asleep over there now.
I drop 50.
He's seven foot tall.
Oh, Joe, you laughing.
He's seven foot tall.
Who's seven feet tall?
Yolk it.
Yolkish.
Why he looks so small on the court?
Not, no, he don't look small, but he don't look like, you don't look like Katie.
Katie looked tall as hell.
Katie is slim, he's a slim tall.
Like, Yokic ain't like, you know what I mean?
He got a little weight on him.
I mean, there's a great chance.
I mean, for me, it's hard to say he's not a top 20 player already.
Damn.
But when he's done, Joe, another champion.
ship.
I mean, think about it.
He's finished second in the MVP to Shea and, uh, uh, Joel and B, but he has three
already.
He's going to be, for the next five years, he's going to be one, two, or three in the MVP.
Yeah.
And, and if he can get Jamal Mary to continue to play at that all-star level, they'll have a chance.
Yeah.
They'll have a chance.
He needs. He needs somebody to come along with him, though.
He ain't going to be to do it by itself.
No, because think about it,
Gordon got hurt last year.
What would it have been in a game seven
if Gordon doesn't hurt that hamstring?
Yeah, yeah.
Because he goes, hey, your two bigs,
they got no chance against him.
Because he goes, whoever your big is,
just say, son, we love you,
and ain't no shame
and getting a triple double
a 32 point, 35 point triple double average, don't you.
Ain't no shame with that.
He does that to everybody.
Right.
He's cooking your big.
Ain't nothing he can do.
Do what you can.
I actually thought, though,
the Thunder, Hardinstein and Big Boy,
what's the other one name?
The Big Tallest.
Oh, Chad Holmberg.
I thought they played him pretty well.
I know he still kind of got his numbers,
but they long, athletic, active.
You know, you would think that they would probably give him
a little problems because they can kind of mix up coverages with him.
You know what I mean?
But I know he's going to get his numbers.
But I just think, okay, see,
going to be two days you know what happened though they they played the best when they went
that box and won on him they put they put caruso in back of it and let him fight it and they're
like hey and then everybody we're going to swarm because now you don't have erin we don't have erin gorn
out there so we're not really worried about his replacement right right but if they got gordon
and they're clicking it's going to be tough because you already know you already conceding 30 10
and at bare minimum eight you already can basically you already conceding the truth
up with double to him.
Now, if Murray go crazy, like we know he can,
oh, you got your hands full.
Yeah.
And now Gordon is giving you $20 a night.
Hey, hey, but I don't know if y'all been looking over here in the Eastern Conference.
You know, the Hawks been playing well.
Man, the Hawks playing unbelievable without trade.
I know, man.
They got them, they got a lot of light-sized guys out there.
Yeah, they got a lot of six-nine, six-ten, six-11 guys, Joe.
And they are all defensive-minded, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
They all defensive-minded, Uncle Ocho, and they've been, you know, they've been having success.
Congru, and they got Jalen Johnson, and they got...
What's the other guy?
Hey, them boy, hey, them boy have been bawling.
They have.
They have.
I watched it.
They lost to Detroit yesterday, but Detroit, I got to...
Detroit good.
They're hell in the east over here now.
Don't worry.
The heat coming out of East.
Shingoon, the Rockets.
The Rockets ain't lost with one game, Joe.
Well, hey, you're talking about since they kicked out,
you know, they went 0 and 3, they didn't got hot.
They won, hey, they won, they won, they were, yeah, they lost their first.
And then they went one and two, they two and two, three and two, four and two, five and two, five and three, six and three, seven and three, eight and three, nine and three.
Now they're 10 and three.
They just beat Cleveland.
They beat Orlando in overtime, KD, hit a big bucket.
And then they beat, what do you call them tonight by 10?
They're 10 and three.
Man, it's going to, I'm telling you, when I watch the Rockets play,
I'm looking at Singoon out there, running the point why Reed Shepard comes set him a pick.
Reed Shepard, the little shooter.
He'll come set a pick for Singoon.
Man, I don't know how you're going to stop that because you can't help off KD, obviously.
You know what I mean?
You got to try to make these other guys make plays.
Yeah.
Man, they got guys stepping up playing big.
Okay, Ocho.
Well, they, hey, they find a little fine-tuned rhythm and timing.
You know, they're getting their chemistry and continuity together over there at 10 and 3.
It's probably got them what, number two, number two in the West right now?
Uh, maybe.
No, the Nuggets 11 and 3.
Yeah.
OKC.
Okay, C ain't lost but one.
Yeah, they 15.
They 15 and 1.
Yeah.
They might be better.
They might be better than what they were last year.
they've been trying to beat the 70 uh what was that the war he's had 73 and 9
you don't think they're going to try to get that oh they're going to try it but man you know
how hard of this i mean you lost nine games in an NBA season that's crazy man um they got dudes
coming up a dub i ain't even never heard these dudes coming on the bench they got there man
they got dudes oh show they got dudes coming in the game who'll drop 20 on you you like hold on
what a dude coming from yeah
And all of them, they're never going to be on the court
without at least three wing defenders.
I'm talking about.
And J. Dubb ain't played yet.
And then every time you look up,
Shay got 33.
Shake hungry.
I told you, now look,
I told y'all doing the finals,
I said the biggest thing for OKC for them to be a dynasty
is if check hungry can continue to improve
and take his,
game to new new heights you know what i mean be efficient and be their rim protector that swiss
army knife that it's hard to guard and man he's been bombed he'll probably not probably he'll be a all-star
this year too so okay you know this year joe they don't take positions they just take the top vote
get us hey so basically what y'all tell you know you go you normally you get the two back court
and the three bigs ain't none of that joe you might have all i mean obviously i think shay
Luca, Steph,
but you might have
KD and with Shingoon.
I mean, theoretically,
I think Braun is going to be there
with the votes because of the fans.
I'm saying if
by the time I'll start breaking here,
let's say they,
they don't,
they lost three games.
They 38 and, man,
they're going to have to get at least two guys
for sure.
Because didn't J-Dubb go last year?
Yeah, he did go last shit.
He hadn't even played a game there.
Nope.
Jay Doug, Jay Doug, nice, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, he got some game.
But the Rock is going to be tough
because they got a guy that can go one-on-one.
I mean, Shingoon can post.
KD, obviously, composed, but they got a ball.
They got a guy that can put the ball in his hand late
and he can make it happen.
And that's KD.
And Shingun says, I don't have a problem giving the ball up to a guy
that I know he can make that shot.
So they're going to be tough.
They got the Almond Thompson.
that can defend and can score.
You got big, big Adam, big Stephen Adams.
He's going, hey, he might not give you
but four or five points a night,
but he's going to give you double-figure rebounds.
He's going to see great screens.
Yeah.
Hey, hey, you know what?
I think that's so underrated, especially in basketball,
like you get you a guy who can really set good screens.
Okay, Ocho can get guys open.
Yeah.
Or free them up.
I want him on my team every time.
I'm trying to get this jumper off.
You hear me?
What?
Oh, all right.
Joe is going to need some help here.
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Desmond Bain, more than 20 and a half points.
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What are they playing?
What are they playing in?
What are they playing, Ash?
I think the Clippers on the roads.
In Orlando.
In Orlando.
Desmond Bairns in the Clippers.
Bancarro's out.
So basically, Wagner and,
and Bain is going to be needlessly leading the scores.
Anthony Black has been playing very well.
Oh, Ben Carroll out.
Okay.
Yeah, I say bang, he'll probably drop a door.
The clip has been struggling, man.
They've been struggling bad.
I'm going to go more.
James Harden more than five and a half rebounds.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right, we're going more.
I'm going on Joe.
Josh Allen, more than 225.
passing yards against that stout, that stout, Houston, Texan's defense in Houston.
Listen, as stout as they are, as good as those two defense ends are, as great as Stingley is,
he's going to get 225.
He's going to get 225.
Ooh, damn, mocho.
Yeah, absolutely.
Listen, Josh Allen is one you can't stop.
He's one you can't stop.
And they're able to impose their will when it's time to run the ball.
They're able to impose their will.
So he's going to get them yards.
me.
All right.
Ocho, say, trust him, so I'm trusting him.
More on Josh Allen, 224.
and a half fast yards.
Dalton Schultz, 38.5
receiving yards.
Yeah.
Hey, that's your
area expertise.
Yeah.
They hadn't been getting
them a whole lot of opportunities
lately.
Mm-hmm.
I like Bishop.
I'm going to say less.
Mm-hmm.
less than 38.5 receiving yards.
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Final segment of the evening is time for Q and A.
Pat Dobs and Ocho, Haiti qualified for the World Cup.
How's the vibe in Miami?
Hey, hey, you know what?
The vibe is crazy, right?
I live all, I live very far.
I live very far out west, but I'm sure if I was to go, you know, near the city, you know, where I grew up at,
but I know they're going crazy in a little Haiti right now.
I know they're going crazy.
Hey, um, you know what that mean?
It's been 51 years, Unk.
It's been 51 years, if I'm not mistaken, since Haiti is qualified for the World Cup.
maybe any competition of this magnitude,
if I'm not mistaken, but, you know,
don't quote me.
But, God damn, that's dope.
That's really dope, man.
I'm excited for all my Ayeshan's Sapa C.
Jason, C.J. 099-Ocho, you were always losing.
Don't tell us you never celebrated.
Ain't it.
Obviously, Jason wasn't listening very well.
I specifically said
if we weren't going into a tire game
or we weren't ahead,
I didn't celebrate if we were losing.
Like, listen, I was very self-conscious
and self-aware when I celebrated.
Christopher E. Evans Jr. said,
do you guys think the Chiefs just might be burnt out
because they play so many regular season
and post-season games?
That's a good one.
That's a great question.
That's a great question.
Think about Ocho.
At this point last year, last year,
they scored,
they've scored more points,
giving up fewer points.
Patrick Mahones has more passing yards.
Last year at this point in time,
they were seven and three.
This year they're five and five.
But you got to understand, right?
Each time they get to the Super Bowl,
things are going to continue to get difficult.
You know,
they're not going to keep running through everybody each year
like they've always done.
So now you get to a point where
you're going to have to have,
you're going to have adversity.
You're going to have to, you know, get some hurdles.
All those one-score games you lost,
you won last year, this year's those one-score games,
you're losing them now.
So I think anytime 15 had the chance
that not only make it to the playoffs,
but when the rubber meets the road, like you say,
they're going to win those games when it matters most.
I never count my homes out,
regardless of them being 500 or not.
They need to get on the ball.
they got the very tough
they got the Colts
and then on the short week
they get the Cowboys
Oh that's gonna be nice
No we're gonna take advantage of them
Hey Joe you're feeling good about your Cowboys
Huh?
Come on now
Come on now
Hey I don't blame you
I don't blame you
Yeah
Henny A said Max Crosby
Is coming for him
Talking about your door
Yeah I just hope they keep him out
Oh Cho you finally fixed the camera
I'm happy for you
But I'm upset it wasn't me who did it
But congrats.
Oh,
matter of fact,
it wasn't even me.
She's watching right now.
She's the reason for it.
She told me what to do.
All my cable,
all my A-D-M-I cables on?
Yeah.
I wasn't using Apple products.
So because I'm using the Apple,
the Apple camera,
so I got all Apple stuff,
you know, to go into the,
so everything flows,
all that, what, out-of-market?
How do you say it?
Yeah, after-market stuff
is the reason why it kept cutting off an hour into the show.
yeah you supposed i mean that's what you're supposed to i mean i didn't know that i didn't know that
yeah why you laughing joe hey bray you so well yeah my baby hey baby i know you watching hey girl
all right all right uh el pre said oh cho how was it playing alongside steve smith and demetrius posey back
in college oh man rest in peace demetius posey demetius posey was the better better of the three of us
When we played in junior college
He was the real deal
He was a real deal
He's similar to like an Andre Johnson
You know, that kind of, yeah, yes
He's like same body style
Wow
Very aggressive play
Good hands, nice rock runner
That's who he was at that time
Unfortunately he passed away
If I'm not mistaken
I think it might have been a car accident
And it was me, me,
Demetius posing and Steve Smith
And the Steve Smith
What you see now
What he saw in the league
he was already like that in college.
I'm talking about the little bans.
Yeah.
And he was always like that in college.
Mean as hell.
Yeah, not, he was always like that, boy.
Yeah.
I bet Smitty, his first year in the league, he was a rookie.
Yeah.
And he made it as a returner.
And if I'm not mistaken, I think his daughter,
I think he had a daughter at the time.
He had a newborn.
But I've always liked Smith.
He was always cool.
As a matter of fact, I voted for him for officer player the year.
That year he won the Triple Crown.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Dad's react says, man, that's when you know you're locked in with her.
Laugh my L.A.
When you fall asleep on the phone, that only happens when you see a future.
It's been a few times, you know what I'm saying?
You know what I'm saying?
Back then, you know, when I was coming up, Joe, you had to keep putting that corner in the paper.
phone.
You have one minute left.
Hey, and the funny thing about it, remember
when we used to had the house phones? Oh, yeah.
You know, during the day, your mama say, man,
stay up that phone in case anybody trying to call me.
Don't be on my mind's up. So, hey,
hey, Joe, um, you wait until she fall asleep
and you call your girl and you know,
ain't nobody going to be calling the house past a certain time.
Well, you'd be, hey, you'd be on somebody laid up, chilling,
fall asleep, hey, fall asleep with the phone.
You pick it up in the morning.
Hello, hello.
You still there?
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm here.
Oh, they're some good days, boy.
You get the phone, Joe?
Hey, you're one here.
You try to talk at the phone?
My grandma, boy, get your ass out the phone and take this trash.
Oh, great.
Hey.
Are you wait till I get on the phone to say that?
You couldn't, hey, you could have,
you got your phone and say that.
Yeah.
Hey, and I know y'all ain't on here on this three-way time.
My damn phone line, Joe.
See, originally, Joe, when we first got the phone,
there was one line.
So your neighbors, if you was on the phone,
your neighbors couldn't get on the phone.
But your neighbors could pick up in here, you're talking.
Right.
So if you wanted to use the phone,
you would ask like, Ms. Such and Such,
can you get up the phone?
We need to make a call right quick.
Okay, you Barney's boy, grandboy.
Yes, ma'am.
Okay.
Okay.
What?
Hey, can you get off the phone, Miss Such and Such?
a pop-a say he want to use the phone.
All right, I'll be off in a few minutes, boys.
Yeah.
But that's the way it was.
Hey, and don't mess around and think you hung it up
and the phone out the hook because now it's going to ring busy.
Man, what?
You know what, boy, I've been trying to call you for the last 15 minutes.
Who in the hell left that phone out of the hook?
It was an accident.
Trust me.
Nobody wanted to hear your mouth.
If you do it gets hot, wins a few games.
They're going to flex the Browns to prime time in a meaningless game.
They care about eyeballs.
Who's going to watch?
Yep.
That's what they care about, views.
People want to see that young man.
They do.
Dr. Frangayette L. Bellamy, Ocho, did you see Unk punching that bag on Club Shethe?
You might want to pay up that $6,900.
Just saying, love y'all.
Nah, based on what I say, I'm a Renee going to pay that money, man.
See, I'll have to hit it with them body blows,
make it pee on himself, Joe.
I was going to say,
the coldest athlete quote y'all ever heard,
Georgian packing up one suit for game six in Phoenix
because he knew it was over.
Oh, nothing like that, bro.
Hell, yeah.
You seen that on last day and stuff?
Yeah.
Yeah, where that man said,
hey, I'm only taking one suit.
Bill Parcell's hand up, but the Giants.
Because back then, when you won the championship game,
the following week was the Super Bowl.
It wasn't a two weeks off like we got now to build it up and sell it.
Right.
Coach Parcell said, y'all packed for two weeks.
Y'all packed for next week because we're not coming back.
They packed, beat the San Francisco and San Fran and flew down to Tampa.
That's when Whitney sung the National Anthem.
And the Jets were flying over and she had that track suit on.
Hey, one of the, wait, if not the greatest national anthem
ever sung for a sporting event.
That is between her and Marvin Gay.
Oh, yeah.
At the 84 NBA All-Star Game.
I think that was in Staples, too.
No, it was in the form.
It wasn't stapled.
It was the form.
Yeah, great foreign form.
Yeah.
Oh, he killed that.
Orio hoodlum.
Kuwait Leonard ain't ish if we take them rings away.
You can't, though.
You can't, bro.
He did that.
I mean, Toronto, think about what Toronto was being since he left.
Think about Toronto couldn't get over the hump.
Now, granted, LeBron had moved out west,
but he got Toronto probably looks like going to be their own long championship.
He did that.
He won another championship with Tim Duncan now.
He did that.
He's a two-time defensive player of the year.
He's done that.
No matter how you look at it, he's a top 75 player all time.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And when he suit up, you know what you.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
He's going to give you what you want.
Carla Libertone, shout out to Haitian soccer team for the World Cup qualification.
Yes, congratulations, Haiti, the great nation of Haiti, qualified for the World Cup.
David Florence, should ATL look to get Shador, how Dion is head coach?
Man, I'm afraid if Rahim don't turn this thing around, they're going to
they're going to make a move man because that's not it's i mean you pay a hundred plus
million for cousins you take a quarterback with an injury history ain't no guarantee oh cho that
that that that that that pennies junior's going to be able to start the season yeah yeah i mean
and he had a history yeah he had an injury history well you know that you know that going
into it that's why they have a scouting department they they have the people that that you
You weigh your pros and your cons.
And obviously, there was nobody else available at that time.
And when he was on the board, that's the chance you can't pass up.
We got to take a chance on him.
And that's what they did.
Hey.
J.J. said,
we need you to go back to 2026 on the dot, not a second later.
I told you.
I told you.
You got to get the people what they need.
Yeah, we got something coming for y'all tomorrow, so be on the lookout.
J.J. Carver, Unc, move like Pop-Tart crust, just high security or a couple of Y-Eans.
I'm security.
I don't really go places where they're going to be no problem.
I'm going to a place, you know, we try to have a good time.
You know what I'm saying?
I ain't bothered nobody.
Everybody just wants to say, hey, how you doing, man, blah, blah, blah.
Hey, I don't go to places where it's something.
I mean, might even, I even think something might pop up.
Yeah, I'd be there, you good, I'd be there.
If it do pop off, I'll be there.
You know, I'm security.
J.R. Lox, how you mofos get over you think someone you think is cheating
and you got that gut feeling?
Well, it all depends.
I'm assuming we're talking about card games or shooting dice or something like that, Ocho.
I think that's what he's talking about.
Yeah, I need better context.
I can take it real quick.
You think about in a, maybe, I guess, a video game,
I best, can you cheat in Madden or something like that,
calling duty or something like that?
Can you cheat?
Oh, shit.
You can manipulate the games, yes.
Um, but I, look, look, if I think somebody cheated,
I just ain't gonna play with them no more.
I'm telling you.
That's it.
That's the end of for me because I can't, I can't.
Because I know how I am.
I don't like losing anyway.
And then you cheat me on top of it.
And a lot of times, you know,
with a joke of cheating Joe, he's talking trash.
Right.
And you know he's cheating.
Nah, hell, no.
Nah.
Jay, just, hey, just chalk it up to the game and say, man, I'm up out of here.
Man, I ain't, I ain't fooling with y'all no more.
5'0.
It's my fiance's birthday on Friday.
Can you wish you a happy birthday?
Her name is charity.
Charity, happy birthday.
Your fiancee wanted to wish you a happy birthday.
He wanted to let you know also that you know what?
You complete him.
The happiest day of his life is when he met you.
The second happiest day when you said, yes, you would marry him.
The third happiest day when it actually happens.
So charity, to you and your fiancé.
Congrats.
Many, many years of blissful marriage and happy early birthday.
Man, got him a Scorpio, though.
Yeah, I guess.
I don't know about no signs.
I just know cancer and Leo.
Okay.
Yeah.
My brother, I think my brother,
April 6th, I think he might be, he might be an Ares or something.
That's not about right.
April 6, yeah.
Yeah, he Ares, okay.
I don't know about this.
I don't know, you know, I'm just, oh, cancer, you know, soft, hard shell, nice,
you know, I'm just, you know what I'm saying, you know what I'm saying?
You know, I'm saying, you know, hard to take a while to get, you know, get through,
but once he get through, man, I understand the nicest guy.
Oh, my gosh, he's really nice.
It's a great guy.
Right.
I'll vouch for him.
You know what I'm saying?
All about, Tramoto.
He's a great guy.
Yeah.
Oh, hell, and I love what you've done to the place.
Oh, my gosh.
Oh, yes, me and we were in the Hamptons.
You know, just a couple of bottles of wine, just some friends.
It was awesome.
You got to see it sometime.
You just come up to the place.
Oh, Joe, just come up.
You and your girl come up to the place.
Joe, hey, you have an open invitation.
It's great.
Oh, this time of year is magnificent.
No, it's really the spring.
Spring or summer.
That's our summer home.
You know, we got a place.
the Hamptons, the south of France.
We've got a flat in London.
It's awesome, guys. It's awesome.
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Shadour Sanders will make his first NFL start this week against the Los Angeles Raiders.
It's going to be a great game.
I expect Shadour to go out there and play well.
He gets an opportunity to practice, gets an opportunity to throw the ball to the receiver.
And guess what?
They're going to call plays that he likes.
He's going to get an opportunity to run an offense that.
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