Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Jayden Daniels ROY, Jameis underwhelms, Dolphins tank time

Episode Date: November 4, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Rookie of the Year frontrunner Jayden Daniels and the Washington Commanders 27-22 win over Daniel Jones and the New York Giants. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Cleveland Browns QB Jameis Winston’s 3 INT performance in a loss to Justin Herbert and the Los Angeles Chargers, Unc and Ocho call for Tua Tagovailoa and the Miami Dolphins to tank the rest of the season after their 6th loss in 7 games to Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills and much more!03:13 - Commanders beat Giants06:30 - Chargers beat Browns12:00 - Rams beat Seahawks14:42 - Bills beat Dolphins18:00 - Raiders make staff cuts19:30 - Titans beat Pats23:50 - Q and Ayyyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Kayla Wave and Bryce Young combined for a record of 7-2. Kayla Wave and Bryce Young have a combined record of 7 wins, 23 losses since being drafted first overall. Jane Daniels and CJ Stroud have a combined record of 22 and 11 since being drafted second overall, and both are on place to take home offensive rookie of the year in consecutive seasons. What you think, Ed Ocho? You like what you're seeing from Jane Daniels thus far?

He was 15 or 22 to touchdowns Man a young boy nice boy Get the real deal Listen we watch CJ Stroud. Yes last year have a historic rookie season Turn a franchise around Like nothing now be watching Jay Daniels come in turn the commanders the entire franchise around like nothing. Now we watching Jane Daniels come in, turn the commanders, the entire franchise around at the snap of a finger, like nothing.

Make it look- They just need to get Daniel Snyder out of there. Once they got that stench out of the building. Right, yeah. They good. Now, this young man here is the real deal. I love, you know, when you hear about it, how he's first in and he's last out,

how he's always constantly trying to get better. He's watching film. He's a student of the game. He's a professional. He holds people accountable. You can win with that and you can win long term with that. But you just need a new ownership in there. Daniel Snyder, that that would that cesspool, that invitation, that septic tank,

which was, which was the which was the commander's before this Josh Harris. I think Josh Harris purchased a with the magic Johnson and that group. Yeah, I love I love. Hmm. I love I love this young man. Yeah, I love what he's doing. He nice. Way. I'm trying to think he He definitely, he definitely wouldn't ever get here.

I got to tell you that. Yeah. They might, they might just hand him the trophy now. Or who else is going to get it? Nobody. The one player that I thought might've had a chance, depending on how good his quarterback played and how consistent he played.

Malik. Neighbors? Yeah. Oh Joe, I told you that one gonna happen. What you mean consistent? You. Yeah, cause that man Daniel Jones trippin' on. Okay, when hasn't he been trippin'?

If you take away that eight game stretch in which he parlayed that into a $160 million contract, you saw the sample size. Yeah, it was too small to buy. It was it was too small. That's what that's what they say. Timing is everything. That small sample size they saw. Timing is everything. Yes.

But that got them Jayden Daniels were. Boy, the commander's got them one, boy. They do. Got, got one. The charges defeat the Browns. Rough day for Jamus. Three interceptions. Damn. He might need to have another lacy surgery. One week after Jamus helped engineer a season best performance, the Browns office struggled against the top defense in the NFL. Cleveland had 57 total yards at halftime. Jamus Winston has now thrown one hundred

and two interceptions, the most by any player in a hundred career games. It's Matthew Stafford in 2016. Brown sag Justin Herbert six times a day, all of which were in the first half. Why receiver Quentin Johnson had had a career best game of four catches, one hundred and eighteen yards receiving. Yeah. Huh? Oh, he a horn fra. Oh, that's Ash.

He wears the Ash hat. Ocho. Yes, sir. Sometimes I wonder what Jame sees. I wish I could look through his eyes so I could see what he sees. Right. Ain't no way you could throw. Ain't no way you could throw the ball directly to the other team that many times in your

career. Oh, Joe, ain't no way. I, I, I gotta say, I need to see what I want. Look, I don't ask for a whole lot. I never wanted to be like another man. My brother, I want to be like my brother, but I just want to be able to see in a game I wish I could see what Jamer sees just for a game So I could tell him Jamus that guy got on a different color uniform. He's not your teammate

Cuz I do the way he be hitting guys between the numbers. He got to be colorblind He might need to wear gargoyles like a.D. because Lacey didn't do him no justice. Damn, huh? Oh, child. Hey, did the interceptions, were you able to see each one? Did the receivers run wrong routes? Were they covered?

Did they get blanketed? Random dude undercut. It looked like he was like too mad and he hit dude right in the chest. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I just, I, and you know, there are a couple of plays last week. If the Ravens could catch they'd have had interceptions. Yeah, you're right. Kyle Hamilton dropped the interception. That would have sealed the game. Yeah, the next play they stole. You're right. And I'm like, I just, I don't know man. I don't know.

I just, I mean, do you know, Ocho, do you know how bad you gotta do be to throw 30 plus interceptions in a season? Yeah. I think, listen, last week game against the Ravens. I think it's different being that you're kind of preparing for one quarterback and another comes in and then a team has a week to prepare prepare and game plan for you. Yeah.

And because of your past inconsistencies at the quarterback position. All right. This is what I know we can do. And, you know, after a week to prepare, knowing who the quarterback would be, I mean, this is the kind of game you get. You get a three intercepting game. Ooh, 26 or 46, 2.35, one touchdown, three picks.

Damn. Boy, they threw the ball 46 times? Mm-hmm. Yeah, boy, I wish I could have played today, boy. Yeah, Lee. Yeah, man, he... I don't know. Who the Browns got next?

Oh, they got an easy game. I hate using the word easy, but do they have a- They have a team with it. They defense can be pretty good, but the offense keeps them out there on the field so long, you gonna wear down. Hey, that defense nice boy. That defense nice.

Who the Browns got next, Nash? The Saints. Oh, it's gonna be be a yoke fest. They got the Saints. Oh, yeah. So James James going back to the Saints. Where is this game in New Orleans in New Orleans? Yeah.

Hey, that's tough. You know, I think I'm'm gonna watch highlights of that game. Ain't no way I'm watching that game. Yeah. Hey, I hope, hey, the players, I don't mean to go back to the previous game, but I hope Derek Carden loses confidence

because the players in that locker room, the players on that team. They done lost confidence in him. Lost confidence in him. Yeah, I know, I know. Because when every player's, you know, lash out at the quarterback like that, without really saying his name,

oh, put me at quarterback. And like stuff like that, he done lost him. And then watching Cam Jordan and his reaction, watching Kamara and his reaction. They got no respect for him, man. Yeah, man. I keep telling people, it's the same thing that when last week, when the guy was horse driving around and he ended up catching a Hail Mary,

you play for your teammates, respect your coaches, trust and the fans appreciation. Those are the three. And if you play, if you play for those, everything else to take care of yourself. Right. You want to play as the teammates to respect you. You want your coaches to trust you and you want the fans to appreciate the effort that you put out. I believe Derek Carr has lost all three of those. Yeah, he might have lost his confidence to a little bit.

My loss of confidence. It's man. Ram's defeat to Seattle Seahawks 2620. Kareem Kitchens, 103 yard pick six, tied the game up in the final minute. Seahawks tied up in the final because they blocked the punt and they ended up scoring a touchdown in the final seconds. They got stopped 31 and fourth and one and the Rams go down the field. The Rams went in on a walk off one handed grab by Demarcus Robinson.

Puka Nakua got ejected for throwing the punt. The league office ultimately controlled the ejections. And however, Xavier was not getting ejected for sending Chris O'Loughlin to the hospital. But who can the cooler gets ejected for throwing a punch, especially when Trent Williams has thrown punches in multiple games without getting ejected? That's what pro football talk tweeted. I can see it.

Brian Branch got ejected. You see, that's when you deal with subjectivity, that's why, you know, gymnastics or you dealing with diving or you doing things that have judges come into a place. These are officials, one official see it one way. So I, but that's normally a call. Ejection normally comes from the lead. Right. And, I don't get it.

Cause like you said, Trent Williams, man Trent Williams almost took a dude head off two weeks ago. Remember that? Yeah, I remember it. But I don't think he realized who he had punched. I know he didn't think he was gonna be able to put T-Dub and he go get away with it.

If you notice, people don't play with Dub? No. He pushed a Shurm one time. He ain't the guy that you get to play to tell him to do it, cause he gonna do it. He gonna do it. Don't tell him, hit me. Because he gonna do it. He gonna do it. Don't tell him hit me

Yeah, I Don't know I think the uh The the league is gonna have to like Ask the answer the question. Why was the dude ejected that hit a lobby, right? So it's gonna be a very interesting, a very interesting answer that they give. If they gonna make the call and start ejecting people, they have to be consistent with it.

They gotta be consistent. You gotta. The Bills beat your Dolphins 30 to 21, 30 to 27. That was a good game. On a 61 yard field goal, Buffalo trail led the half fifth time this season. Then the second half Bills with three straight touchdown drives Tyreek and Waddle the NFL leading duo over the last

two years combined for two targets in the first half, both went to heel. Both players are on pace to finish with fewer than a thousand yard receiver for the first time as teammates. Oh Joe, is it time for the dolphins to blow it up? Hell no. Absolutely not. Listen, you just, listen, they two and six, but you just paid your quarterback

and you're two and six because of the injury that happened. What was that? Week three? I forgot what week that was. He went down. So you definitely don't blow it up. You still keep everything intact. I'm not sure Mr. McDaniel or Mr. Ross

would want to blow it up anyway after investing that much money in your quarterback. So this season, it's tough due to injury, but you want to finish the season off strong and be ready for next year Yeah, you think you would you blow it up? No, you can't my thing is oh Joe I'm looking Do I believe to is gonna stay healthy the next years and play all 17? Because without him, you're not going anywhere. I don't care if you got waddle.

I don't care if you got reek. I don't care if you got a chain most. You need somebody to pull the trigger. Yeah. That man ain't paying that kind of money, Ocho, to miss the playoffs. Think about what he paid now. Yeah. Paid Tua, he paid Riek, he paid Waddle, he paid Ramsey. They're two and six.

How many games are the next nine they gonna win, Ocho? Waddle, he paid Ramsey. The two and six. How many games are the next nine? They gonna win or Joe? I don't know, but that's, that's tough though. That's tough. And listen, do you have to take, I mean, I'm saying whoever makes the decisions over there, whoever is sitting in that position of power has to be understanding. I'm sure they are understanding, especially with this

business and understanding that injuries do happen and the season is going the way it's going, being two and six due to the injury to Tua. When Tua is healthy, that offense is one of the best in NFL. When Tua and Tyreek and Waddle and 18 and most of when they're on offensively, they're on. I mean, the two and six for a reason. And the reason is due to the injury the tour. But I just need you to tell me in the next three years, does Tua play all the games? Does he play 51 games? They play 17, 17, 17.

Yeah. But you never know if he can protect yourself, yes. How many times he played all 17? Hey, you know what? That's a good goddamn question. Well, I was hoping you'd give me a good answer. Yeah, I don't know the answer to that. Yeah, I don't know the answer to that,

but damn, that's a good one. Speaking of blowing it up, we have breaking news, Ocho. We have relieved Luke Getzi, James Craig and Rick Scott scan Garello of their duties with the Las Vegas Raiders. I think they're the opposite side of the football, correct? O.C. O line coach, QB coach. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, they they put people on the chopping block.

Yeah. So. Mr. Max Crosby might be available. See, told you. I told you. I told you. That's a good thing. That's a good thing. That's a good thing. I hope Detroit is able to make that move.

That would be dope. That'd be really dope. Damn, they fight. Damn, did they even let the team, they must have fired them soon as they landed back in Vegas. They played the one o'clock game? Yeah. Game ended six, which was three here.

Right. Oh, they're back. Yeah. Damn. Yeah. That's rough. Oh, they're back. Yeah. Damn. Yeah. That's rough. Hey, let me holler at you right quick, bro.

Don't worry about coming in the morning breaking down tape. The Titans defeat the Patriots. 2017 Drake made heroic since the game in the overtime. Mayor Royce would have been after throwing an interception with two minutes left in overtime made there some magical things to send the game with overtime. But two constant mistakes, a strip sack and an interception and overtime provided the ultimate learning experience for the number three pick in the draft.

Hmm. I thought they were going to do it. Oh, Joe, I thought they were going to do it. I did, too. I did, too. I did, too. Drink, mate. Hey, you got to cut them interceptors out, baby. They're not good enough to overcome. You got to cut them interceptors out simply because of what you just said.

You can't overcome the interceptions. No, you don't have that kind of team. You can't. They've been very I mean, think about it. That's why the Patriots so good because Brady didn't beat them. Brady didn't, they didn't beat themselves. Brady didn't put the ball in harm's way. Even when he had acceptable defenses, he didn't put the ball in harm's way because now you, now you neutralize it. Now you drop yourself, you lower yourself to the competition. No, we're better than you. We're not going to help your cause.

Right. So no, if you beat us, you're going to beat us doing your own, you know, playing us. We're not going to give you turnovers and increase your opportunities to beat us. That's not going to happen. But yeah. So.

Dang. The Titans. But, uh, yeah. So the Titans. Titans two and six, Patriots two and seven. Both bad. Yeah, I feel like I mean, you know what? Hey, if they need some help, man, I could be out there. I could play the quarterback now. You know, I played quarterback at Beach. Now you good. Blue 80.

Blue 80. Check, check, check. You ain't pointed to the mic. Who the mic? I just pointed to the mic, man. What you talking about? I just pointed to the mic. Okay. You you talking about? I just pointed to the mic. Okay.

You want to call his number out? Huh? Call his number out. Mic 52. Mic 52. Hey, hey, watch the safety coming down. Watch that white safety. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Motion. Motion. Motion. Yeah, man, I'm telling you, boy, hey. Boy, that's what they need. They need somebody like me at quarterback, man. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite,

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All right, Ocho. Now it's time for our last segment of the evening. It's time for Q&A. You ready? Aaron Jones said, the ref screwed our Eagles out of 30 point, of a 30 point win. Has there ever been a time where you guys felt the refs screwed you and what you did and what did you say? Oh yeah the ref screwed me one time out of a catch. I never forget we was playing your team the team that you think you're a part of but you're really not because you were number 82. We were playing

the Ravens you know had a little fun I had a good catch too right on the sideline boom I felt little fun. I had a good catch too right on the sideline. Boom. I felt I got both feet in. I don't remember which way the call went. Well, you know me being entertaining, being fun, making light of the situation. I had a dollar bill. So the ref went to the review. There are, what you call that thing? The review. What you call that thing? Yeah, the review. Shoot. I went and got a dollar. Just trying to be funny. The ref came out the booth before he could even make the call. All the referees hollered up. I walked over there with a dollar bill.

Man, go ahead, let me get the cash now. Yeah, that's the only time. Only time I have ever had an issue with a west. Okay, so somebody say you could play quarterback for Bishop Bishop Sycamore. Hey, that's the team that was on ESPN. The team that didn't exist. Yeah. Hey, hey, that was funny, man.

That was funny. You ever had an issue with the rest of the call before? No, no, just some holding stuff like that. But it's normal. Oh, Jordan Addison, dad just tweeted. Even Stevie Wonder could see Jordan Addison is open on Sam Donald's interception. Wait, who tweeted who tweeted that Jordan Addison's dad? Hey, Jordan, Jordan Addison had a day to go.

He had a day today. Well, yeah, I think he had five catches on five targets and a touchdown. Big 10, big touchdown. Yeah, he had a day today. They want to so a pops some of that a little bit, baby. I know how you feel. I know how you feel. And he had a day and they listen that momentum and that chemistry will carry on,

carry on into next week. They watching film. Nate Harper, hey Uncle Nocho, who do you think is the biggest threat to my Eagles in the NFC? Love you guys. The commandos. The Lions. You better worry about that division. You talking about the NFC. Oh. You better worry about the commanders in the in the NFC East. Right, right, right, right. He talk a big picture. The Lions are the best team in the NFC. Right. As we sit right now. Yeah, they are.

Hey, listen, if they stay healthy too. Yes. That's what's most important, teens being healthy. If you're not healthy right now, on the back half of the season after Thanksgiving, boy, that's where it count, boy. That's where you make your hay. And you know, teams catch fire too. Some teams catch fire and go on a run. And the funny thing about it is a team we least expected is gonna catch fire and they're gonna make a push. They're gonna make a push.

I think sometimes, little jokes. It's gonna be a team we don't want to play. Looking at these teams right now, the only way they're gonna make a push. They're gonna make a push. I think sometimes, Ocho, it's gonna be a team you don't wanna play. Looking at these teams right now, the only way they're gonna catch fire is they set them damn selves on fire because they damn sure ain't gonna get no spark from somewhere else. Baddie. I mean, these teams, the teams are bad, Ocho.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's real bad. It's real bad. I don't mean to say it again, I don't mean to be redundant, but I really feel bad for the Cowboy fans, bro. I feel bad for the Cowboy players, too, man. I really do. I can't express that enough. Like, I genuinely just feel bad because they're always sold that dream.

At the beginning of the season, it just doesn't pan out and hadn't panned out for the 20. Why are you mad because they keep buying it? I just you buy it. You buy the radio that you know, it don't work. I don't know. Cause it looked good. See Michael Anthony said Bo Nick surprised me. I thought he was Bryce Young.

Yeah. He didn't look good today. He missed some throws that he's got to make. Yeah. Ravens are a really good team. Um, and when you get opportunities to score touchdowns, you got to score. Got it. And, uh, like I said, uh, he missed some throws today that I'm not so sure that when he played better

competition, those guys missed those throws. Uh, but he, he rookie quarterback. So, you know, we give them a little grace, a little latitude, a little, so you know, we give them a little grace, a little latitude, a little understanding, a lot more understanding and patience that we would give somebody that's been a two, three, four year guy in the league. But yeah, he didn't play well today. CMG 31 said, who do you think will win the Super Bowl? Bro, if I do that, I go lay some major, major. I go to draft games right now and lay down some major.

But I have no earthly idea because everybody's an injury away from a significant player and it's over. Yeah. Yeah, that's why I said it. No matter how good the team is around them, the quarterback goes out, into the the top teams that are leading their division or second in the division, they lose their quarterback, it's over.

It's a wrap. So, Lady Ray, hey guys, first, Cold Viking. My question is, what's the best compliment you've ever received? Oh. Somebody said I was cute. Well, your mom said that they always say that.

Now, my mom, my grandma, they said I was ugly. I don't know if they lie, don't you? Oh, no, I love it. Oh, no, no, I'm this I'm I'm I'm a strong like, like, I'm the house. Well, no. OK, listen, I can be real, cause we family chat. I can be real with you. Like when I don't have a haircut,

if I don't have a haircut, I'm a strong six. Six and a half. Right. When I got a haircut, a bald, fresh fade, two trimmed up, beard, everything. And I put some clothes. Nails done. So you get a haircut, a facial nails done body polish

Well, seven and a half eight. No, I put on and I put on some clothes I'm bad. I'm bad. I'm about eight and a half. No, but no bullshit. Okay, okay. Okay. I but yeah Yeah like I don't need to be a nine or ten because that just Like I don't need to be a nine or a ten because that's just, that's too pretty. Like what you doing? I mean I look better than my girl. Damn I ain't mean to say that because I ain't got nobody right now but. Damn.

I don't know. Damn. I mean you like to go out with a step with an old Joe. You want people looking like, damn. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then like, would they be like, damn. Yeah, I ain't.

Yeah. But you know, I ain't got none to step with right now. So yeah, yeah. Look, look, kind of dim right now. I'm all alone. There's no one beside me. Wait a minute. Technically. All by myself.

Matter of fact, I just thought about something. Wait a minute. Like no bullshit. Holy shit. I just thought about something. What? I'm not single. You know why? Why?

She tweeted. Chad and I are no longer together. OK, she didn't say, oh, Joe. Oh, that's that's the other one that she left Chad. So that means also we still together. OK, see what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah. And it's still hope. It's still hope. Yeah, together. Okay. You see what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey. It's still hope. It's still hope for me.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she say me and Chad are no longer together. Keep hope alive. That was a rev back in 88 when he ran for president. He said, keep hope alive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we good. Why we good?

Hey, Chad, we still good. We still good. We still good. I'm in there. I'm in there. Me and Chad are not together. She ain't say Hey, check. We still good. We still good. We still good. I'm in there. I'm in there me and Chad and not together She can say oh so so if you if you don't include both us so technically We still together I'm in the game

I'm in the game The best compliment yeah, what they told you what they told what they told you what they told you. What they told you. What they told you. What they told you. I think uh... Uh, you know, probably when my grandmother would describe my brother and I. Man, I take, look, obviously women give you compliments, you know, hey, you look nice, nice body. I like this. I like that. But you know, a lot of times I take that stuff with a grain of salt because I

know I'm not, and I'm cool with that. I'm not the best looking dude that you've ever been with. I'm not the finest. I'm not the most muscular. I'm not anything of that. I'm not the wealth, I'm not the most muscular, I'm not anything of that. I'm not the wealthiest or none of that. And I'm okay with that. But probably because to hear my grandmother describe me,

my brother, I think probably in the last couple of years, my brother saying that he's proud of me. I knew he was proud of me, but to see how I've handled a lot of situations, I think that's the hard that that's probably getting compliments from my brother because I know he's not a guy that that's he's very parsimonious with his compliments. Stingy. Wait, very what? parsimonious with his compliments. Stingy. Wait, very what? Parsimonious. God damn, but that's funny, that's a source, but that's a big one.

I ain't never heard that shit before. So for me to hear, look. Yeah, probably, probably something my brother, my brother said the last couple of years, my grandmother said. I remember. People that I've worked for. Appreciate me showing up for work, you know, every day, hard worker, goes about his job, does his job, stays out of the way. I think that's the, you know, I appreciate that the most because I do, I do. I try to, you know, I get 24 hours a day. I mind my business 12 hours a day.

I stay out of other people's business 12 hours a day. So I got a 24 hour job. I'm just minding my business. And so, but you know, that's, you know, hey, like I said, I think we all like compliments, but To each his own yeah 327 never get never ever get married why February. Why? Yeah, why? Oh, Joe close. Oh, Joe's supposed to be getting married in February. I tell you what, I don't book my ticket.

You going to reimburse me my money. Hey, hey, my, hey, for horses, hey, for horses. Hey, you made, you made that call for me. Yeah. Hey, you made you made that call for me? Leave me out of your mess, Ocho. Huh? Uh-uh. Hey, I ain't, but listen, I ain't shit. You in the house.

Huh? You in the house. Oh, yeah, they, they, because I'm here, they left. Oh, she ain't there? I'm here they left. Oh No, so when I when I leave Tuesday she'll probably come back what she bush in what oh I believe that Oh she bullshit. Oh I believe it. Oh you I I definitely believe it

Mike might say oh Could your best Raven team? Beat the best Bronco team? It all depends on what team I'm on. Ah, ha, ha. That's a good one. And unfortunately, I can't be on both. We were totally different teams, obviously. That Raven team was a defensive team.

But them boys were good. The team I was on in Denver, we a defensive team. But I'm going to go. I was on in Denver. We are offensive team. We got what? Four Hall of Famers on that team. I must John myself, them T.D. Ravens defense to Hall of Famers, Ray and Woody. They've been interesting. It'd be very interesting.

I think I think I think I think personally with the office that we had and the way we could protect with them and T-bone. I think I think we can. I think we the Broncos team, I think we beat them. Yeah. That 2000 Ravens defense. Mm hmm. Yeah, I do. Hell no. You think so? That 2000 Ravens defense mm-hmm Hell no you'll think so hey Good no no no I ain't gonna take nothing from y'all, but what I'm boy that 2000 year Jesus I realized we had we had them at left tackle. We had T bone at right tackle

We had a Tom Nailin that center. We had Stink, Mark Lareth at left guard. Hill. Four of our offensive linemen made the Pro Bowl. I was in the Pro Bowl. TD made the Pro. I was first team All-Pro. TD was first team All-Pro. John made the Pro Bowl.

So we had like six guys, seven guys in the offensive making the Pro Bowl that year. We good. We were good. Oh, Joe, we had like six guys, seven guys on the offense make the Provo that year. We good, we good. Oh Joe, we had a good team. It'd have been interesting, especially like I said. Now with John, like I said, we have a quarterback that wasn't gonna be intimidated. Cause a lot of times, that defense,

they won the game by intimidation cause they knocked the block off like the first series. And then you see guys. Oh Yeah, he'll eat he'll want he'll want it. Okay, we good he self-check He self-check I've seen the auction episode. I just want to say oh Joe fin to catch you on the weights I don't know about that. Oh, Joe, oh, Joe, I live in the way. I told you, I told you, I told you. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

And let me show you some. Hold on. Oh, Lord, have mercy. You see, I got you. See, I got it. See, I got these 50s. Hold on. Hold on. The chair all in the way. You say how strong I'm getting, though. Huh? What you do with the 50s. Hold on, hold on. The chair all in the way. Let me show you how strong I'm getting, though. Huh? What you doing with the 50s?

Huh? What you doing with the 50s? Hey, hey, look at this. 50 easy curls. And I'm so. Oh, Joe, are you doing hammer curls or you doing bicep curls? Hey, I whichever one you want, you tell me which one you want. You should do, you should drop the weight. That's too much weight.

Cause your goal is to try to stimulate the muscle. I can't stimulate. Not annihilate the muscle. I know how to stimulate. I can stimulate, I stimulate real good. Curl. That's too much momentum. That's too much momentum That's too much momentum see

Now I see if you want if that's your last set and you trying to grind Trying to grind out another two three reps. Okay fine Now I'm strong man. That's what I do man. What you talking about? Hey, let me take my shirt off. So the check don't do that Hey, you want me to show the check? No. Hey, that's it. Oh, you can see the muscle. You can see all the muscle through my arm, through my jersey. I'm sitting right, right now.

I see a before and before picture. Now, hey, hey, I look good, right? Shake down said, Oh Joe, what did you do to make that woman leave? Who? Man, bro, did you hear what I just said? Yeah. Man, hey, forget why she left. Give me some ideas to get her back. Fuck you. Talk about why she left. Give me some ideas to get her back. Fuck you talk about why she left. I forgot the wrong shit.

Mother was supposed to be helping me talk about why. Fuck why. Michael Baggatay says, which NFL jersey looks the nicest, which is the ugliest? Hey, the nicest to me, they're all white the bangles all white in a Ever created bad, you know Y'all voted the worst jerseys. No, we know what a that a Philadelphia, Kelly green. I Like oh, oh no that powder blue chargers a that best with that plow to blue charger. Oh

That's nice Hey that powder blue chart is nice. Oh that kelly green though that kelly green nice boy Cowboy green the film the old the silver and black Can't go wrong. I like the Broncos the Broncos. Oh the old Original orange. Yeah, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay Man talk about talk about Daniel little John Shannon Ocho who in the AFC North the Steelers of the Ravens Ocho the Bengals four and five great wins

in the AFC North, the Steelers or the Ravens, Ocho, the Bengals, four and five great wins. Shadow, sorry about your Broncos. Yeah, I mean, but Ravens won. I got two teams. Oh, joy. And got the one. Oh, Joe, both of your teams, man. We'll be back. Patris, Patris and Bengals. We'll be all right. No, you're not.

Oh, the are the old school. Oh, the old school. They are somebody said the old school Miami, the old Miami. Oh, yeah, like that's dope, too. I like the old school just jerseys. But I'm old school, like the Broadway Joe where you got the little jets written with the with the white helmet. Hey, if I was Jerry Jones, uh I would tank this season and draft your door and trade CD or another pick and get Travis on the tube

Yeah, you get all that ain't possible now no That it happened. Yeah, it's not exactly playing Madden Yeah, I sound like he's playing Madden Oh, what's up? Oh get 85 who beat your all-time five started five Oh live You can include tight end if you want to make it six Oh line Damn Who made it been some great left tackles man you got Munoz you got Ogden you got Walter Jones you got Zem center Mike Webster the center the only one that Mike Webster is a center and Larry Allen is left guard Right guard. I'll put, I put John Hannah.

I'm going to take, I'm going to put J O at left tackle. I'm going to put them at right tackle, even though I know just them as a left tackle. I'm picking the guys that play. Yeah. Orlando pace, man. It'd be some unbelievable office alignment, but the only tackle. I picked the guys I play. Yeah, Orlando Pace. Man, they've been some unbelievable offensive linemen. But the only ones that I'm 1000% certain on is Larry Allen and Mike Webster. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's

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hey guys, Mod Squad in the house, out of all your experience in the NFL, which of any would you consider your future as a football player? Oh, which of any had you consider your future as a football player? Oh, no. I didn't get that question. He said, huh? OK, reconsider.

OK, I guess you I guess you want to say reconsider what you whether or not you really wanted to do football. Would I reconsider if we had a chance to go back? You mean? No he said, if any, if there any experience that made you like with their head with the something that transpired. Oh hell no. Hell no. No. No, nothing. There's nothing that would make me reconsider,

especially when I was playing, absolutely not. No. Cause that was my safe place, man. Going to practice, being on that field, the camaraderie, the locker room, the shit talking, the fun, the competing, the meetings, staying up even though it was cold as hell, like 60 degrees in the meeting rooms.

I wouldn't trade that for the world. I'd reconsider hell. Well, you know what it's like, a chat. Y'all know what it's like to come out that tunnel and announce to call your name. And then you got 65, 60,000 scream your name, man. And it's like a, it's like a it's like we're too in Cincinnati Anyway, 60,000 65,000 more more than my high But now that's unbelievable feeling man. God leave me

I'm I'm I don't I don't miss it, but nothing can replicate or replace that feeling God I was dope But nothing can replicate or replace that feeling. That was dope. P-dub, Pat-dub said, Uncle Nocho, wasn't EB available before the Raiders signed all those guys? I don't understand, who is EB?

EB. I don't know. Oh well, Joe Scheisse about to go eight-h on the Ravens. Hey yeah yeah who they you know what it is? Keevas Watson said please shout out my best friend Daniel it's his birthday today happy birthday bro. Keevas Watson okay Daniel your homeboy said he wanted to wish you a happy birthday happy birthday from Uncle Nocho and the nightcap crew. Hopefully you had a very good day. Hopefully your team won and you celebrated with a victory and a happy birthday and many, many more to come.

JTT say as a commander fan, how can ownership have so much influence in the team success, especially when the owners are in the gym? You think gym consigned players without the owner's the owners approval? Yeah. Did you hear? Did you read that report about what was going on in that organization? Yeah.

Ish rolls down top to the bottom bro. Fish tank head to tail. Yeah. Fist think head to tail. Yeah GM don't do anything without the owner's thinking because that's not his money That's not the GM's money so you have to run through everything and the owner gets final say yeah or nay It's not an accident. All the coaches that the Raiders, the commanders have had, all that dysfunction that was going on, there's a reason why he had to sell the team. That's not an accident.

It was going, it was crazy over there. Wasn't it, Unc? Oh, Eric Bandy me. Okay, Eric Bandy me. Oh Joe, wasn't Eric Bandy before the Raiders signed all those guys Well, uh, then they just win UCLA just won a game so hopefully that that uh That starts them on the right track Mike. I said my 35th birthday is tomorrow the film Didn't think y'all were live Tuesday

night. Can I get a shout out? Oh Joe, my spirit animal boy, Mike has happy birthday, big day, trade deadline and it's voting day. We're going to have a new president. Hopefully on the fifth, maybe roll into the six. Hopefully it doesn't roll on to like it happened in 2020, but we're gonna have a new president one way or another. And we're gonna have some deals in NFL moving up and down. So Mike S enjoy today. I know you're gonna be very, very busy watching the trade deadline

and we're gonna have a new president. So happy birthday, bro. Happy 35th. Mike and I said, is Genino Smith getting his contract renewed? All depends. Where they select, I mean, I mean, he plays really well, but he makes some mistakes. Like that pick that he threw, I'm like,

Gino, what the hell did you see? Sometimes it's okay to take a sack, Ocho. Yeah, he had a little pressure to take a sack. Oh Joe. Yeah. He had a little pressure. Take a sack. Yeah. Throw it out of the end zone. Sometimes guys get in, get in trouble trying to make too many plays. It's okay. Live to see another day. Yeah. Cause the last thing you want to do is make a play for the other team. thing you want to do is make a play for the other team.

Dems are guns out of the no show with the Texans when their division. I think so. Well, we know the tech, we know the times are out of it, right? I don't think Jacksonville, so basically, it's between the Colts and the Texas Techness. Me personally, that's what I mean. But also. Which Texas team are we seeing? Are we getting the Texas team with a Nico Collins back?

They get they get Nico back. They definitely. When in that. Oh, but here's the thing. Now, CJ Stroud got a little sample of what it's like when you don't have no offensive line help. Now he see what Bryce Young going through in Carolina where you ain't got no protection. He getting hit a lot, Bryce. He got sacked eight times. When did he get sacked? The other night or six, I think it was eight seven or eight

Yeah, he got sacked eight times man office line makes a big difference Kepernick what junior my question is who's the best game dunker in basketball? In game dunker, Ocho? In game? Yeah. Active right now? No, who's the best? I guess he's trying to say, well, right now, who you say right now? I would say right now, I would say Zion, huh?

No? Or am I tripping? Zion or Ant-Man? Hold on. What about, what's the one that could jump high? Or am I tripping? Zion or Ant-Man. Hold on, what about, what's the one that could jump high? Most of them can. Was that Levine? No, he's from Portland.

Is it Portland? Oh, Shaden Sharp. Okay, I can't remember now. Buddy got bunnies, boy. Oh, you talking about Anthony Simons? Is that him? That's what I'm talking about? I think that might be him. Well, Vince Carter.

I would go Vince Carter. Oh, you're talking about all the time. All the time would be Vince Carter. But if you want to say right now, I'd probably say Ant-Man. Jah. Yeah. Yeah. Jah. Jah like a little, got guy like a little Derek Rose in him.

Yeah. Even LeBron. Because LeBron is a better endgame dunker than like the dunk contest because power. You see LeBron dunk on people. He doesn't have the creativity like a Aaron Gordon or Zach Levine or what we saw Vince do. Jordan. That's not what LeBron is. LeBron is a good guy. He doesn't have the creativity like Aaron Gordon or Zach Levine or what we saw Vives do. Jordan, that's not what LeBron is.

LeBron is an in-game dunker. Another in-game dunker was Sean Kemp. I don't know if you remember Sean Kemp, the Rain Man. I don't remember. Sean Kemp, Supersonics, War Number 40. Stop playing, man. Oh, Derrick Jones Jr. You talking about the one from Miami.

He was in Miami. Yeah. Hey, yeah, bunnies, boy. playing man oh Derek Jones jr you talking about the one from Miami he was in Miami yeah hey yeah bunnies boy because he was uh he was at uh Dallas last year where is he at now he with the Clippers there's no jr with the Clippers now okay okay i gotta go to heat game I gotta go to a heat game. Yeah, Aaron Gordon. Yeah. The ravers.

So, uh, it's my 22nd birthday. Oh, Joe Lamar, Super MVP coming soon. Big trust. Happy birthday. Um, birthday. I, yeah, the Super Bowl MVP will be nice. Uh, the Super Bowl. Well, yeah, I think that's the MVP that he wants. He wants to football MVP. I

Think that's what I think that's the that's the Defining factor or the different differentiator What Lamar is trying to do right now? Rod O'Day, what's up on Oh Joe Ben? Yeah, I've been with y'all since the beginning. What should the Lions give up for Max Crosby? Oh, that's a good one. That's a good question. I would say a first, I'd say a first and a third, and a third next year.

I like it. And they part in ways like Moses parted the goddamn sea. Jeff Brunston, should we be worried about Caleb Williams? Would you fire ever Fluse tonight if you own the Bears? No, I'm not gonna fire somebody in the middle of season. Do what? You should have made that move last year. Or this, or the off season, Ocho,

you know you had the number one pick. You know you was taking a quarterback. So not only taking a quarterback. You're taking the number one pick, right? Yeah, they're going to be ups and downs. I would hope ownership understand that upset ain't going to be all honky dorian peaches and cream. They're going to be some ups.

They're going to be some downs, some trials and tribulations that you're going to have to deal with with the rookie quarterback. Yes. You need a year, maybe two. Now once you hit that third year, when you hit that third year, that should make it a break of year. Then you should have improved tremendously and some of the mistakes he made in the year one, year two,

mistakes are going to happen, but it should be too, too, too limited. Yes, I agree. things are going to happen, but it should be too, too. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of night cap. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit that like button. I am your favorite on Shannon sharp.

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The Falcons defeat the Cowboys. Dak leaves in the third quarter with a hamstring injury. Falcons win 27-21, drop the Cowboys to three and five. Zeke was bench made inactive because of some tardiness and missed meetings. Ravens blow out the Broncos 41 to 10. Lamar Jackson was perfect 16 to 19, 280, three passing touchdowns. Derrick Henry rushes for over 100 yards and two touchdowns. The Lions defeat the Packers 24 14.

So possession of first in the NFC North with a seven and one record. Eagles defeat the Jags 28-23. St. Juan hits the move of the day, back was Hurdle, 14 yard, Devontae Smith one handed touchdown as they hang on to beat the Eagles 28-23. Panthers stun the Saints 23-22. Chris Olavi was stretching off the field,

but his brother tweeted he's in good spirits, he's moving. And so that's great news to hear. What else we got here, Ocho? Bengals defeat the Raiders 41-24. Commanders defeat the Giants 27-22. Chargers blow out the Browns 27-10. Rams walk it off in overtime, 26-20 over Seahawks. And the Bills defeat the Dolphins, 30-27 on a 61-yard field goal by Tyler Bass as they win 30-27. The Raiders fire their OC, O-line coach and quarterback coach.

Titans beat the Patriots in overtime 2017. And that's our show for the evening. We'll see you tomorrow night after the game. The Bucs take on the Kansas City Chiefs. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. I'm Unc, he's Ocho, we are out. I'ma see y'all, I love you. The Volume. Hey there. It's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker.

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