Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Josh Allen for MVP, Kirk Cousins future, Dallas Cowboys lack of focus

Episode Date: December 4, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from Week 13 of the NFL season including Buffalo Bills QB Allen becoming the first quarterback in NFL history to score touchdowns running, passing and receiving in a single game, Atlanta QB Kirk Cousins future with the Falcons is up in air, Unc and Ocho go off on Dallas Cowboys dropped passes and believe there is no excuse for a lack of focus despite beating the New York Giants and much more!03:13 - Jahmyr Gibbs leaked protection calls with a photo09:26 - Josh Allen making NFL history with a touchdown13:17 - Bills fans shovel snow at stadium18:00 - Kirk Cousins’ future with the Falcons22:10 - Lions versus Bears39:30 - Cowboys versus Giants48:40 - Deebo Samuel responds to idea that Kyle Shanahan should be on the hot seat(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Mayor Gibbs in the dog house. He posted a photo of a position meeting room with scheme on the whiteboard in the background. Okay. Hey, okay. I like it. I like it. I like it. But can I tell you something real quick about this?

Can I tell you something? Listen to me real quick for y'all in the chat too. Listen to me real quick. Even with the schemes and the stuff that's on the backboard, no matter who they plan, when that whistle blow, you gotta be able to stop it. I don't care what you know. Can you stop it when it's time to?

You watch film every week. What week are we in the NFL, uncle? We in week what, 13 or 14? 13? There's 13 weeks of schemes and films of that. God damn Detroit lions offense. Ain't nobody been able to stop it yet. Okay.

They had one loss. Ain't nobody better stop it yet. 52 points, 52 points, 24 points. I think they just scored 26. If I'm not mistaken, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just running off at the top of the head or the point that my 23, I didn't't let, they beat, oh, thank you. I think it was Chicago 23-20. Yeah, I mean, I understand.

He probably didn't mean to do what he did and post it. Did they make him back? Oh, you know what? Let me say, let me, cause I can know how accurate it is. You know that is. You know it is. You don't want nothing like that out there.

It's like your playbook, leaving your playbook in a hotel. You don't want to put your playbook on.'s like your playbook leaving your playbook in the hotel Yeah, don't put your people Okay, y'all y'all was allowed to take your own now Even if I could I'm not in the meeting room no We couldn't have no phone You know that time My baby for him taking the picture.

I'm not sure what happened, but listen, that stuff on the backboard, that ain't gonna help you beat the lines. That ain't gonna help you. I'm just telling you now, when that whistle blow, it's a different ball game. It's a different ball game. Well, I'm gonna say what happened to us.

Well, in the divisional guy of the playoffs, we had Tennessee Titans, and they somehow got ahold of our playbook. And that damn show helped them because we couldn't do Jack. We had two plays. We ran, we ran, we had, we hit them up one time. They busted the coverage, and I went 57 yards down to the one, and Jamal ran it in.

We blocked the field goal and Ray ran a kickback. Other than that, we couldn't do nothing. So it definitely helped. I'm not saying it was, it definitely helped. So there's a reason why, there's a reason why the Spygate now all of a sudden, the defensive guy got he got a signal and he got a microphone is he on me? It's like the quarterback. People don't do things that don't work.

Oh, you got it. What name the last time somebody robbed a place that didn't have money or didn't have something of value. People ain't robbing good wills and salvation armies and soup kitchens, Ocho. They go and pick up stuff of value. But just be smart, son. In a situation like that, Ocho, you know everything. Everything inside that building is sacred. I Mean, I don't even did y'all I don't know. Oh Joe. I only loud Joe I don't even remember taking a picture in the locker room. Yeah

Let alone let alone taking a picture of the other I never taking a picture inside the meeting rooms in general I got a load of pictures in the locker room itself And I got a lot of them. I got a whole got a whole lot of them, you know I'm a teammate to be able to look back on some of the things like that. I don't know I'm trying to think did we y'all Time out time out time out Already know we had you was playing in the 70s?

Come on now. We did though, I was about to say. I think. I think I'm playing a phone back there. Hell no. Man, I remember the first time I didn't even know anything about text messaging. So I was like, it was Cordell Stewart

that in 2005, like you could text. I'm like, bro, how you text somebody? I ain't know nobody no damn text. How y'all used to communicate with your chicks back in the day, pay phone? On the pay phone? Call them. Call them.

Well, I mean, we had a community phone in the hall. So you had like four phones that if you press 9, you can call. And dial the number? You know what I'm saying? And dial the number, yes. Yes. But it had to be local. It came down long distance.

And the way they communicated with you, they would call, and it went to a central location. And so they like I like to leave a message to tell the shark. My name is such a such. Here's the number. Have to give me a call. And then it would come downstairs and put it in your box. We had mailboxes. So everybody had an individual box that you put. And so you have a bunch of you have notes in there and so forth and so on like that. It wasn't like it. I don't know how to do it.

Now, don't start me lying now, Ocho. I don't know how to do it. Like I said, I've been going away from the game. Damn it. Two decades. Damn it. It has been two decades. So I don't know what the... But I guess now you wouldn't need to call. Everybody has a phone.

Everybody didn't have cell phones when I was in the league. Everybody had no cell phone. That came toward the end of it. But in the mid nineties, man, they're calling like, go $5 a minute. You ain't had no beep? No, I didn't have had a bit. No, I have no beeper. I'd have a beep. Yeah, I Would that important? Oh Joe? What that important but like I said, I don't like I said, I know

Meetings are cell phones weren't allowed in the meetings. What not when I was there. Oh once I left, I retired in 04. So whatever they did after that, I don't know anything about it. So I don't want to speak for something that transpired 04, 05, 06 moving forward. But I'm saying from the time I was there, moving back, there was no cell phones in the meeting room. So that was, man, Mike would have lost his damn mind. Especially during those days,

the sessions were different. They were a little bit more like, I call it Tom, they were like Tom Cauthenish. That's the only thing I can think of. Very Bill Selish, you know? Hey, no nonsense. Oh Joe, Josh Allen's next touchdown will make Buffalo Bills history.

With his next touchdown rushing or passing, Allen will become the Bills all time leader in touchdown passing the great Jim Kelly. Allen has been the best quarterback since, has been the best quarterback in December since 2020. In that span, he's first in total touchdowns, passing touchdowns and wins. That's a lot, that's a lot.

Look, I hate it, I hate it cause the Broncos could have had him. Yeah. The Broncos should have drafted him. And if I'm not mistaken, they drafted Bradley Chubb to pair with Vaughn Miller. Two outside linebackers. You can keep Vaughn and get a quarterback. Mm-hmm. You got to have that guy. You got to have him.

I don't care how many grids your defense has, you better have a quarterback. You think maybe they didn't like what they saw. Coming out of Wyoming, right? No, am I wrong? Yeah, I think small sample size too if I'm not mistaken, huh? Yeah, you know. Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes scouts miss. Sometimes you overthink it, Ocho. I mean mean, you took you took Brossau Swallow. You take Pax DeLinge. You taking guys like that. Guys that are not even if you just say, you know what?

He's not the most accurate. His ability to run the football. That's what makes it. You talk about a man that's 250 pounds that can run like he can run. In fact, whatever discrepancies you might have with his game, especially from a throwing standpoint, throwing standpoint. Oh, we could work on that. You go work on that.

Yes. Look at the foundation. Look at the foundation. He had the arm you had to work with and build with. You could, you could take it from there. That's take from there. Look how he's turned out in Buffalo. He has the arm because in order to play in the state of Buffalo, you gotta have an arm.

Because guess what? The Jets, they play outside. New England, you play outside. So you put him in Denver, get you outside. Kansas City is outside. You really need arm because a lot of the teams that you're going to potentially face, Kansas City outside, Baltimore outside, the Steelers outside. Buffalo outside. So your quarterback is going to have to be able to deal with the elements because in those are such stadiums, not only does it get cold, the wind blows. So you might have, oh, uh, such a stadium. Not only does it get cold, the wind blows. So you might have, oh, Joe, you might have snow, gust and bone, bone

crushing, crushing cold. I'm talking about 10 below 15 below with gust up to 20, 30 miles an hour. I sure wish we'd have drafted it, but we're not going to get him now. I sure wish we'd have drafted him but we're not gonna get him now because Buffalo ain't letting him go. We're not getting him. But I like Bo. Bo playing real well. Very well for a rookie. I'm not sure if it's Bo Nicks. I don't know if I'm not sure. It's the quarterback whisperer in Sean Payton but somebody doing something right over there. Okay what it is? Just keep on winning. I'm gonna give me some bo-buddy. Ho-bo.

You know they gotta play the Bengals, right? Don't you worry about that. You got, don't you got Priest to fry tomorrow? Who y'all play tomorrow? Damn, who do we play? Oh, we play play the steeler we finna win that game we play the steel yeah we play the Steelers you all see that check yeah we play we play the Steelers you won't bet none. I asked. Y'all about to be. Oh Joe, you owe me some money now, man. Damn.

Whatever I owe you, I'm gonna pay you when we get to the tour in February at Super Bowl. At the live tour, I'm gonna pay you live on stage. Whatever. That's how we gonna open it. Why can't I get my money now? I gotta collect it first. Why can't I get my money now? I gotta collect it first. Why can't I get my money now? For all these goddamn jobs I got. You know what? I would tell inside the NFL, I would tell Apple, I would tell everybody,

y'all just wait till February, wait till y'all we get on the tour, y'all pay it. That's how he payin' me. Y'all just wait till February. Wait till y'all, we get on the tour, y'all pay it. That's how he payin' me. Y'all pay him like that. Bye. Ahead of tomorrow's showdown against San Francisco 49ers, the Bills are asking for fans to sign up to help shovel snow out of Highmark Stadium.

The deal is pretty simple. The Bills will pay $20 an hour, provide food, hot beverage, and shovels to those who signed up Lake effects no Buffalo is expected to bury Western New York beginning Saturday with two feet Predicted to fall in Orchard Park where the Bill Stadium is located by kickoff. Yeah, Joe one thing about them Oh, yeah, and I'm just beside they don't play The fans love it because the fans love it the fans love it they yes i think the only thing they have to get them there the same i think i think buffalo sabers they play hockey i

think that's they're still up there but boy they look look here i love a football team mojo if i if i live in buffalo if i was a buffalo fan have you seen the way they before the game even starts. Have you seen what they do in... Oh yeah. ...in the... Oh yeah. Yes. I played their... I played their 90, 90, 91, 92, 93, 97. I played there like seven, eight times. I saw what now that I think about it, Ocho. I tried to figure out why we had to play so damn many games there. Cause we played there 90, 91, right. 94, 97. But we played Buffalo.

We played Buffalo a lot too. Damn. Now that I think about it. And we played them in the preseason one year, but I was your day fan. They love their bills. Good. Listen, they're fan base that don't get the credit they deserve But how they love their fan base they don't a little they get a lot. Hey, they get active

That's the only word I can think of it. They get active pregame yes during game and after game They out they are oh the game they out they are oh oh oh they look oh man they love they love they build man and don't let them make a play and I'm just talking it's go Buffalo let's go Buffalo a little bit softer now a little bit softer now a little bit What? That's it? Hey, they be jumping. That's how they used to be jumping. Yeah, it's going to be jumping. That's crazy. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liars Poker.

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to back. They got Larimer, they got Jams, they got Andre Reed, Brucie, Biscuit, Talon, yes. But boy. I already know. Listen they going to cook it. They going to have that stadium cleaned out for that game Sunday. I guarantee you that. Oh, for sure.

And you notice any time something happens, hey, somebody, who that? Who that knocked somebody out of the playoff and they donated money to that person's charity? Somebody get nicked, somebody get hurt, they donate to that person's foundation. Those fans are the classiest. I ain't got nothing to say about them, man. The foundation. Those fans are the classiest. I ain't got nothing to say about them. The classiest of them all. Classiest. Kirk Cousins, excuse me, future with the Falcons

rise on the next six games per Jeremy Fowler. If he doesn't deliver over the next stretch, the Falcons would explore trading him this off season, given they have rookie Michael Pennings Jr. They're like, so much team will be like, season given that they have rookie Michael Pennings Jr. They're like, so much team will be like, why we want this contract? Well, why we got to get that? Huh?

I don't know about that. Is one, is one, is one thing about Kurt Cousins. He has always been afforded that grace for only having one win. So they going to take that contract on. Oh, they definitely take it on. And it depends on how, and he's right, Mr. Fowler's right as far as these last five games. And I think even if he does play well these last five games, I think they're ready to move on

with Penning Jr. anyway. Honestly, it's time to get that train rolling. It's time to get that train rolling, most definitely. I'm excited for him. I'm excited for him. I'm excited to see what he can do with Drake London, the Kyle Pitts and B. John Robinson. And there's no need for him to sit behind Kirk Cousins for a second year.

There's no need. I think, I think it'll be great because there is the thing, Oh Joe, let's just say, I would, if Kirk goes somewhere, do you take Kirk Cousins and then take the rookie quarterback and then have him sit behind him a year and then move it on? I don't like Kirk outside in the cove. Do you like him in New York? Wait, what's New York? I know you're talking about the Giants. Get to the Giants. Do you like him there?

Yeah, but with his arm, without Achillesilles, with that cold, with those conditions, you kind of need an arm to cut through that. Or have a sense of understanding. You just put a little nugget in my head now. You understand what Kirk Cousins can do from the quarterback position, right? When he has a star receiver. Can you imagine Kirk Cousins throwing a god damn league Naples? The accuracy, the pretty balls,

Kirk Cousins throws a catchable ball and will always put it right where it needs to be. He might not have a strong arm, he might not have a strong arm, but it's gonna get where he needs to be every time. And he's accurate too, he's accurate. Look at it, yeah, that too. But look at the old show. You want to put him behind that?

Jazz is fast, man. You can get that ball at the same fast. That's not what he does. Look at look at Kirk Cousins in the regular season. Look at receivers. He's had look at the receivers. He's had and what he's with those receivers have been able to do with Kirk with Kirk Cousins at the Hill.

I like it from elite neighbors until should do her takes the reins over because he's going to the Giants. Kirk with Kirk comes at the hell. I like it from elite neighbors until Shadoor takes the reins over because he's going to the giants. He's going to die unless the goddamn breeders you make some God forsaken reason able to climb all the way from wherever they're picking that and come snatch him up. Now I'm not telling you, I'm not telling you

what I heard or what I know. Hey, I don't know what the prime might not know. Hey, I don't know. Prime might not be too keen on that. Hey, yeah, I know, I know, I know. I'm just saying. I know you ain't even. You ain't even. I believe it in that,

cause they already, yeah, yeah. Charley Sharp said, Oh yeah. Cause you already know where they're headed with that. So disregard. Yeah, yeah. Sharps said, uh, uh, uh, uh, Oh yeah. Cause you already know what he hit it with that. So this disregard, objection. I object to what Shannon said.

Now let's get into it, Ocho. The Lions beat the Bears 23 to 20. But that wasn't the story of the game. Caleb Williams had one of the great, have the second half was as good as he could possibly throw it. Played that he made outside of the great, the second half, was as good as he could possibly throw it. Plays that he made outside of the pocket, the way he threw the ball from the pocket,

and he had a couple of drops in there too, Ocho. But that he was undeterred, he ran. Now, it wasn't smart that you try to get slick and try to stop on the dive. He cut back and he went out of bounds. Going out of bounds. Yeah. Going out of bounds.

Don't, hey, they're not gonna let you get away with that because they saw what Patrick Mahomes did They saw guys fooling before so they go point if you if they get there so just going out of bounds, but uh, it was Caleb Williams got sacked Ocho when he got sacked it was 33 seconds on the clock one. They have a timeout It's about they got one it's about to be third down take your timeout now you got 33 seconds oh Joe even if you don't get it even if you don't you you still got fourth down how do you go from 33 seconds and you keep your time out and you want run only one play with 33 seconds? Because if you complete the ball and bounce, Ocho,

you should be able to run your field goal unit on the field, get your other players off the field with 18 seconds. They had, so even a play only last what, five, six, seven, let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, you're gonna say the play last 10 seconds. Caleb Williams scrabble around it took him ten seconds You still have 23 seconds to get your field goal unit on the field to get your other guys off the field That's more than enough time to get the ball snap get it held get it down and get a kick honestly Oh, and I mean no disrespect. I'm all for people having a job

I think it's very important to have a job, but that was coaching malpractice. Not only that was coaching malpractice, I think he must have been betting against the odds out there in goddamn Vegas, but not calling that goddamn timeout. That is a fireball offense and I'm not one to ever stand and say that someone should be fired. But for them to have lost the last five, I think, what five or six games? And this is a game that you had an opportunity to win or at least tie and go into overtime and see what you can do in overtime. I can't believe, you know, coach did that, that he didn't call the time.

And also on Caleb Williams, understand you have to have better clock management in your head. If your coach is not on point the way he should be and really being on top of the time and how much time you have left, Caleb Williams as a player who's played at the big level out there at USC, you should understand how much time is on the clock and what you need to do in those situations to make sure it doesn't happen again. So this is for one, the coach you should already know. You should already know this is coaching malpractice, but Kayla Williams, this is

a situation if it ever comes up again, doing your tenure in the NFL, understand clock management and how important it is to give your team a chance to either tie or win a game. That's a bunch of bullsh**, man. Keenan Allen says something very interesting. That's a good shot. And I don't know if you, he said, no, Kean Allen said as players, we played with the stand. Think about the underlying tone and what he's saying. OK, yeah, I know the underlying tone.

I just hope it. Look, if I if I'm at every loose, if I'm evil, loose, Ochoa, I would just took the fine. And I'm not talking to the media after that, Because then he gets up there and says that bull jive that we got what we wanted and I'm good with it. That's ridiculous. You sound foolish. It sounds like a man that know he made a mistake

and want to die on that hill instead of saying, God, that's on me. That's on me. I should have called a timeout with 33 seconds. What's wrong with getting a 50? Right how you run one plate? With 33 seconds is Absolutely a fireball fit right and I have never advocated right for anyone to lose their job Because I understand how precious jobs are

But you can't continuously make the mistakes that he's making and remain in that position. And then come out there and give those bull jive excuses or those bull jive answers to why it's played out. It's too many times there's a real current theme that if you notice Ocho, anytime they put a receiver in, it's always a new receiver in. It's always somehow the ball finding. Or they put a new receiver in. It's always somehow the ball finding. Or they put a new DB in.

Somehow the ball always goes his way. You watch it in baseball. If the ball somehow always will find him. Basketball, a new guy comes in, somehow the ball in. Damn, we want the ball to end up your hands with the last second, but damn, here we are. It keeps coming down, Ocho, to plays like this. When you have to understand the situation

that your team is in, and you have to make split-second decisions, he let his team down more times than not. Decision-making like that is the difference between not winning, not losing the past five games. The second's like that. This is a game of inches. This is a game of inches. It's a game of inches.

And the coaching is one of the reasons why teams win. That's the difference. What do you think the difference is in the Detroit Lions before Dan Campbell got there and the Detroit Lions while he is there? Unc, that's coaching. That's coaching. That's all that comes down to.

Being able to execute the plays. I know some of it is on the players, but also the coaching. That's all that comes down to being able to execute the plays. I know some of it is on the players, but also the coaching. It has to, it has to come together and work as one, but you can't be coaching like that. You know that in having a situation like that and want to say the excuse you use and not take accountability. How do you think your players feel like Like just listen to what you're listening to and you're not listening. Players don't normally react to a game like that

and throw the coach under the bus. No. There's a disconnect. Because a lot of- There's a complete disconnect in the locker room. Ain't no disconnect. They don't, they've lost confidence in their head coach because the thing is with situational football,

you have to practice certain situations. You have to practice fourth down. You have to practice two minutes. You have to practice no huddle. You have to practice being in certain situations. So therefore, if you're in that situation, you'll know how to respond. We practice running the field goal unit on the field,

we getting off the field, and it's with 18 seconds. So we practice certain situations, get out of bounds, make sure you try to get the ball to the official. Don't, hey, all that, don't throw the ball. Cause hey, look, they're not receivers. They're old, hand them the ball. Yeah. I just don't get it.

And like I said, I don't, I don't. Jimmy Johnson said, and said in 70 years of being around coaching, he's never seen the level of dysfunction that the Bears have right now. And I can't say that I disagree with it because there's a real current, Ocho is week after week. I can see it for the one time thing, Ocho.

That's an accident. You know what else? And on top of it, and speaking on top of what Jimmy Johnson said, he said, you've never seen any kind of dysfunction. No, it's just not this year. It's just not this year. You're trying to change the culture in Chicago in general. The culture, the winning culture in Chicago

has been going for a very long time. It's been going for a very long time and being able to contend and compete year in and year out on a consistent basis. All that starts at the top. And in the middle, it starts with the coach. And then it lingers into the players. So until you get that middle ground the right way, everything else is going to falter. And it starts with little like today. It might be little, you know, because it's one game, but it affects the entirety of a season because bad decisions will continue to be made. Oh Joe, I don't know what they said, but normally when we went on, we would go

on the field, especially as the last drive, we got two timeouts, we got one timeout, we got no timeout. If you can get the ball out of bounds, all things being equal, we'll take a five yard game and get out of bounds as opposed to a 10 yard game and not get out of bounds. So we've already, we've already gone through situations that we can potentially see in a game because there's only one way to handle the situation. It's just like everything else.

Yeah. You practice first down, you practice second down, you practice third down, you practice goal line and red zone. Okay. There are certain certain situation that now you can't practice everything, Ocho, but hopefully you play football long enough. You'll know with 33 seconds and you got a timeout after a sack, you automatically take a timeout.

I don't know what everybody was even thinking. That's the first thing you do because the fish was standing right there by you. That's the side judge. He right. Hey timeout. The funny thing about it is is you're gonna ran you're gonna ran you're gonna ran that play right but you're gonna call that timeout ran it ran another play and I'm not sure what your signal was, Unc, where the special team is already ready, and we used to yell, fire, fire, fire, fire, Ole Miss hurry, hurry's up, there's enough time on the clock, there would have been enough time on the clock,

you come out and you kick the field goal, and hopefully before the clock hits zero, you have them execute that field goal, and tie the game, and take it into overtime, and then boom, now you got a fresh start, and hoping you can that field goal and tie the game and take it into overtime. And then boom, now you got a fresh start and hoping you can get down there and score. It's even ballgaming at that point. But you don't even get your team a goddamn chance. And they had the momentum.

They had played extremely well last yesterday. They had the momentum in the ball game. I thought Detroit got away from running the football. There's another, Ocho, at some point in time, you're gonna have to stop making excuses for J. Mr. Williams. You gotta stop. You gotta stop making excuses for him.

No, that's give. The hitting the guy in the face with the football that's standing on the sideline. Yeah. He almost cost his team. That's the kind of, see, that's standing on the sideline. Yeah. He almost cost his team. That's the kind of, see, that's the kind of immaturity. I'm trying to figure out what could the guy possibly, he on the sideline.

Bro, why you talking? You not even in the game. Let that sink in for a second. You not even in the game. Right. And you talking. You're in the game first and then I'll address you. I ain't addressing nobody on the sideline. What made it even more egregious is that it was after the play. So the

down already counted. So now they back you up 15 yards and then he gets to the sideline and he's arguing with Antoine Randall-L trying to explain what he did. Bro, shut up. There's no, all through with no explanation. In the words of the great Billy Holiday, Hunchman, I don't explain. Oh no, oh no. Hey, what you know about Billy Holiday? I'm trying to figure, I'm trying to figure out what's his explanation.

Everybody saw what you did. He said something, you turned and flipped the ball in his face. You lucky he didn't run and put his foot in your ass. I got a question for you. Now that we talk about the Bales, now I understand what James Williamson did. You know, I'm going to talk to young bull. I got young bull.

I got young bull on the line, too. So I'm going to talk to him. You know, you can't do young bull on the line too. So I'm gonna talk to him. I mean, you know, you can't do that. You can't cause your team, especially as well as y'all are doing right now. But what you think about chat, y'all tell me what y'all think now. What you think about Bill Belichick to the Bears?

I think wherever Bill Belichick goes, as long as they have a defense and a quarterback that you can work with. Caleb Williams is a quarterback that you can work with. He's someone that you can win with based on his skill set and that you can work with. He's someone that you can win with based on his skill set and what he can do with him. What'd you think? Yeah.

It's cause what I'm going to do on Wednesday, when we do Inside NFL, I'm going to bring it up on the show. Abil, what do you think about your opportunity and having a coaching job in Chicago? There's a defense, a very adequate defense that you can work with. One of the better corners in the league, and Jalen Johnson, who's my little nephew,

you got a quarterback that you can develop and mold and understanding what it takes to win. I mean, who says no to that? Then you have an organization that's gonna give you the keys. They're gonna give you the keys because you have an understanding on what it takes to win,

what it takes to build a winning team. Here you got six, seven Super Bowls. You also, you wanna go get that coaching record from Don Shulie, you wanna break that, right? Now, boom, you have all of this thing gonna give you the keys and allow you to build a team you need to build to be able to contend and compete in that NFC.

Why not take it? to be able to contend and compete in that NFC. Why not take it? Yeah, cause that division ain't coming back. This is what Eberfluss, when he addressed after the game, he said, I hope was that we rerack that play at 18 seconds, throw it in bounds, get into field goal range, and then call our final timeout. So you see, Ocho, he doesn't understand.

You don't need to call a timeout. Wait 18 seconds. That's more than enough time to get your field goal unit on and off. That's the same area. That was where we was in our decision making process on that. We were outside of field goal range, no jive, Sherlock, and needed to get a few more yards in there at the closest we can get.

We're going to call a timeout, that's why we held the last time. So in other words, now you're going to next week, you got four timeouts in the first half. Oh no, you can't use that timeout. Disappointed for our players, they put a lot of work on and on a short week and put themselves in position to win that game. They did. And you deny them

that you that part. You got right on a short week. Our players, we didn't play the best first half, but we played an outstanding second half and we put ourselves in position to win the game. And my boneheaded play, my boneheaded situation where this cost our team a game. More games are lost than one of the NFL. Exhibit A, I'd like to present this, your honor. Exhibit A of how games are lost. I don't get it. I don't get it.

I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't get how he continuously finds himself. If you notice, Ocho, like I said, when you make bonehead plays, somehow you always find yourself in that situation week after week until you correct it, until you rectify said situation. Bro, call the timeout,. Bro, call the timeout.

Oh, Joe, call the timeout. You could run your like I said, if the play only cost you eight seconds, I gave you 10 on the long end. Hopefully you are Caleb understands that you can't run around. But I just I don't I don't get it. And I said it in real time. I was like, what is he thinking? Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side and Liar's Poker. And every season of my podcast against the rules,

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not call a timeout with 30% left? I don't know. Again, it's culture malpractice. It made me think he had money on the game to do something like that, to not even give your team a chance to win, especially with what you've been through week in and week out with losing the close games, the games you played well. I mean, like, come on, man. Give yourself a chance.

There are multiple scenarios when you're down in that situation that should already be going and be playing in your head. Not just the one you explained at the goddamn podium. There are multiple scenarios that should you play on. Okay what do I need to do? Split decision, fast decision-making. You know if you don't have it then your quarterback got to have it. But your quarterback is supposed to be learning from you. So if you don't have it, then your quarterback gotta have it. But your quarterback's supposed to be learning from you. So if you ain't got it and you the head, man, nigga, how he supposed to know it?

But definitely the here nor there. Caleb would know and have a better understanding of time, you know, and how much time you have to use, you know, as he gets older and a little bit more mature in the NFL and understanding clock man. And explain that to him, let him know, hey, we got one timeout, Caleb.

So, hey, if you get sacked, don't be afraid to, let's not be afraid to use that timeout. The Cowboys defeated the Giants, 27 to 20. Cowboys reignited the ground game, excuse me, securing their fourth 100 yard rush game of the season. Rico Dowdle led the way with a career of 112 yards on 22 carries. It's his first 100 yard game as a professional.

It's also the Cowboys' first by a player, a Cowboy player, since Tony Pollard in week three of 2023. Dowdle also responsible for Cowboys first rushing attempt of at least 20 yards this year. The star of the Cowboys was the Marvion Overshawn. He secured both of Dallas turnovers recovering a fumble reforced by Eric Kendrick and Tyrone Tracy

and catching his own batted pass. And he ran that back for a pick six. That was on Drew Locke. Because you see the guy right there, you go up and over the top. You don't throw it. And listen, the Cowboys defensively, they played very well.

They played very, very well on the run, pass game. Man, they played really well, especially at the point of attack. They were very physical up front, not allowing the Giants to have their way and impose their will. So I like what I saw from the Cowboys today, but can you do it against the better teams?

Can you do it consistently against the teams that have winning records? That's where the issue comes into play for them. I'm hoping everything is okay with CD lamb. I see left the game Maybe late second, maybe early third quarter something wrong with her shoulder Of course, yeah, you know he had that a bruised road to I was a enjoy But I got nothing to do with him dropping them damn pants. I don't let you do that By the drag route I knew that

I'm talking about he dropped real he turned into a retriever All he did was pick the ball up and handed to the official his job as a receiver his job is to catch the ball Not to retrieve the ball He dropped three. He has six targets He had two catches He had six targets. He had two catches Yeah, Nick neighbors say thank you bro. Yeah, y'all yapping about the ball, but you're dropping it He thought that you you throw it back at it So, yeah, I saw CD get dragged out on his shoulder, but that wasn't why he's dropping those passes that's like a concentration

Yeah The drop balls but since, I know since you boys, you boys know, you got to catch that pill, baby. That's the money. That's your money maker. That's your money maker. That brown ball they call the Duke, you got to love that. You got to love that.

You got to love that more than you love your family. Because in order to feed your family, you got to catch that Duke. They're gonna be all right though. We gonna get that together. That ain't nothing but little jug machine after practice. Even in week 12, little jug machine after practice won't hurt. Yeah.

No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not talking about Malik Nabez as a rookie. What that gotta do is you catching the ball. You caught the ball, that's something you've been doing all your life, Ocho. We're not asking them to make spectacular catches. Like when they throw you the ball in the frame of your body, catch it. That's all we're asking. No, no, we don't need no Odele Becker.

We don't need nothing spectacular. When they throw you the ball, Ocho, you catch it. At some point in time, you got to realize everything is not meant to be a spectacular. Everything is not to be meant to be a catch and run Ocho for 40 yards. You have to understand situation. You know what?

The most important thing here is to get this first down. Let me get this and get on the ground. A lot of, if you look at CD, what CD try to do? He try to get up the, bro, I ain't never seen a cat to hit the ground for If you drop it in a catch Okay, you jumping up and down to my little big goal. Hey, you woulda but you're not you going you going back to the other Come on guys. I

Get looks Everybody it was no son today Ain't nobody can play about no son. Oh Joe. Yeah one now it went out I get looks. Everybody, it wasn't no sun today. Ain't nobody can play about no sun, Ocho. Yeah, it wasn't out, it wasn't out. Ain't no sun. Just a small lack of concentration, split second, taking your eyes off the ball.

But Ocho, normally when you have one of those drops early, what do you do? You concentrate, you focus even more. It seems like CD, he laps concentrate, you focus even more. It seems like CD, he laughs, concentrate, he laughs even more, because after that ball, Ocho, he's just another pass. Cooper Rush was 21 to 36, 195, one touchdown.

Like you said, they ran the ball, Ocho, basically about four yards a carry. That ain't bad, that ain't bad. 32 carries. Not the greatest, but it ain't bad. Nah, you can live with that. Look, you can only beat who's on your schedule. You know the Giants aren't very good.

But we've seen the Cowboys lose games like this before also. So give them credit for keeping focused on a short week, not still celebrating the victory in Washington, coming out there, handling their business today. When you get two, string two together, now you get about five or six days off before you get ready for the next Sunday.

You still, look, everything, you're gonna probably need to run the table, Ochocho in order to get one of these playoff spots you you're getting three teams out of the NFC north Minnesota Green Bay and Detroit right so there's only one spot left Cowboys San Francisco Seattle is one problem and that goes for all Cowboys fans in the chat I have this is no disrespect to y'all. Here the Cowboys do need to run the table to have a chance at a spot. You do know they play,

you do know they play the Bengals Monday night, right? In Jerry's World, right? Okay, I'm just making sure. I'm just making sure you understand what they got coming up. Y'all defense, y'all defense terrible. Y'all might do something, y'all better be able to block. Can y'all block the front?

Oh yeah, we gon' be fine. You know, Joe, Joe don't, let's Joe get the ball out of his hands quick anyway. And matter of fact, we gon' establish the run first, get them boys, get the front tied up there. Michael Parsons gonna be frustrated. You know, he gonna get mad because the ball's gonna be coming out.

One, two, boom, it's gone. Hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Cowboy fans, what are y'all talking about? Y'all gonna win the division, y'all two in one. Do y'all understand the Eagles record? They're trying to get the reaction out of you. No, don't fall for that.

Don't fall for that. This the, Ocho. This the delusion. This is why Jerry's how he is. Because he know his fans are gullible. They're delude. They're gonna believe anything that he sells them. And it serves them right. They just, you know.

I'll be glad when it's like, in like three weeks when they get put out of their misery. And then what they gonna say? Wait until next year. And I'll be right here. And then what they go say, wait the next year. And I'll be right here. Guess what? And I can't be right here next year in twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven. And y'all still ain't going nowhere.

But look, like I said, oh, Joe, you can only beat who's on your schedule. Not a like I said, we've seen the Cowboys. Yes, sir. Games like this before. They won today. Give them credit for that. I thought they ran the ball extremely well. The defense got after Drew Lock, made it very, very tough. I mean, think about Ochoa Bay. I mean, they ran the ball 21 times for 116 yards.

That's, hey. Yeah, that's enough for the Giants. Let's keep this. No, I'm saying I'm in the Giants rush. No, I'm OK. OK, I'm saying that is a doubt. Oh, they say the last name. No, no, no, I'm saying no. The Cowboys were 32 for 122.

The Giants rush 21 for one. So what about put it in the air? But. But here's the the thing though, Ocho. Yeah. You gave up a scoop in school. I mean, you gave up a pick six and you gave up in another fumble. That result. That's the game.

There you go right there. You basically played them towards standstill on offense. But when you turn the ball over, you pay double for that. You expect to happen. Devo Samuel responds to the idea that Kyle Shanahan should be on the hot seat. Super Bowl, NFC Championship, year after that, NFC Championship again, last year Super Bowl, why are you saying he's on the hot seat? You don't understand how the business works,

but just hearing the fact that Shanahan is even on the hot seat, we talk about one that's going to be sought after from every other team. I wish you would let someone like Shanahan go and allow his staff and that offense to go somewhere else, especially go somewhere else that has a quarterback, have a decent quarterback at that, then he's going to build the same exact thing with that same exact offense. Give him a quarterback.

Didn't he just have an extension? That don't mean that. Didn't he just have an extension last year? Oh, you know when something like this comes out? You know it's coming from inside the house, right? You hear me? The call is coming from inside the house when stuff like this comes out.

How many years was it? Cause he had like a year left on the contract. So he signed a five year extension cause he had like a six year, a six or seven year deal to begin with. Man, you know how this NFL is. So this... Yeah.

What does he make it, eight, nine a year? Because he had a contract that was like six years, 40 years. Oh yeah, rightfully so though. Huh? Rightfully so. So the, oh Joe. Yeah. Whatfully so though. Rightfully so. So, Ocho. Yeah. Rightfully so. Rightfully so.

Now you do realize, you do realize Ocho, like when you get rid of the head coach, his whole staff, he ain't got guys on one year deals. Right. They signed through 2027. 25, 26, 27. So that's three here, that's 42 million. I don't think he's on the hot seat, considering he just, the man just came off the football.

I know, but you know how fickle the NFL is. You know how fickle umpires are. That's not New York. But then it wouldn't be out. Something like this wouldn't even leak You heard me What is what is smoke with their smoke this fire? Yeah stuff like this comes from inside the house always

Well, it ain't coming from John Lynch because John Lynch got the job because of Kyle Shanahan Jed York? Jed York? Hey, well good luck with that one. Again, if, listen. He'd be unemployed. He'd be unemployed all over the world. Wow, 30 minutes. 30 minutes is that.

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