Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Juan Soto Yankees drama, Jaleel White upset, Miki Howard story

Episode Date: December 10, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to newly signed New York Met Juan Soto reportedly having an unfortunate experience early in his tenure with the New York Yankees. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss actor Jaleel White being upset over “Family Matters” not being considered amongst the best black shows, legendary singer and songwriter Miki Howard sharing a striking memory from the height of her career involving her idol, Anita Baker and much more!03:13 - Belichick possibly to UNC10:00 - Patriots all in on signing Tee Higgins12:00 - Kirk Cousins qb status14:11 - Raiders suspend Johnson18:06 - Juan Soto23:30 - Soccercap30:10 - Mikki Howard on Anita Baker42:20 - Q and Ayyyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'll just evaluate them as they come. He characterized the UNC talks as exploratory with the possibility of becoming something more than that. I think it's a process of just understanding what mutual goals, expectations, and resources are to find out whether it's a fit. And in the process, we'll just see how it goes. He didn't rule out returning to the NFL. Belichick girlfriend supports the move to Chapel Hill and I don't support it as a colleague as a colleague a bill Bella check on inside the NFL Wednesdays at 9 p.m. On the on the CW I'm gonna just throw that plug out there for you for those that don't know that's a plug out there bill Bella check and our colleagues

Wednesday again inside the NFL on the CW at 9 p.m. I don't I don't like the move I don't like the move because if Bill Belichick decides to go to Chapel Hill, I think it maybe does nothing for him as a legendary coach that he already is. If anything, I would love to see him transition back into the NFL, obviously to get that Don Shuler record in which I talked about not long ago,

maybe two or three nights ago, if I'm not mistaken. Going to college, I mean, it's cool, but with the way the landscape of college is now, with the NIL money and some teams being at a disadvantage when it comes to competing at the highest level, I don't think Bill should have to go through that. I don't think he should, and I don't think, I personally don't think it's a good move.

I personally would love Bill to stay with us at Inside the NFL, and when the opportunity presents itself in the NFL, then transition into that, if that team has a good adequate quarterback that you know you can win with, and then that team or organization will give you the keys to allow you to build the offense that, excuse me, to allow you to build the defense that you excuse me, to allow you to build the defense that you know you need

to compete at the highest level. Just, and eventually get that Don Shuler record, you know, as the most winning coach of all time. That's my two cents, is how I feel. I'm sure Bill is gonna see this and. Well, for me personally, I don't think if he wasn't interested he wouldn't have wasted his time. So clearly he's interested in coaching and he doesn't want, he doesn't want

another situation where all these jobs became available and he didn't get one Ocho. I mean, come on now think about that Ocho. You're the all, you're like number two on the all time willingness coach. You got the most playoff wins of the coach. You got the most, uh, you got the most Superbowl wins as a head coach and the jobs open and you don't get one. He'd been coaching for 57, 37 years. It's okay to take one year off one year off.

Angle hurt. It wasn't his choice. No job was offered. Now I'm not telling you what somebody told me. I'm telling you what I know. That's why he went on interviews. Who goes on a job interview if you're not interested in the job?

Is that what you do? I mean, sometimes. When they call you from inside the NFL, you're not interested in that job, you're like, nah, I'm good. Oh, you went on the interview wanting to get the job, yes? Yeah, sometimes. Thank you.

Sometimes you know what you do, right? You know, when I used to do hair back in the day, right? And you know, you turn the stove on, you put the hot comb on the stove. Sometimes you gotta touch the stove to check the temperature. All you're doing is checking. But you didn't do that unless you were doing somebody's hair. You didn't put the hot comb on the stove

if nobody was coming over to get their hair done. Yeah, all right. Okay, I'm just making sure, just making sure we're on the same page. I'm gonna let you have that one. You got this one. You got this one, you got this one. I think it did look. the man wants to coach.

Yeah, that's what he's done. He's done that for the better part of his life. It's not easy. It's not easy. A lot of times we see, we see people work these jobs and they start to deteriorate and they leave because that's all they know. And somebody said, well, it's the right thing for you to do. No coaching to you don't want to coach anymore.

If somebody gives you a job, go coach. Now, sometimes until you might have to go to college route to go back. Pete Carroll, Pete Carroll was an NFL head coach. Nobody would hire him. He had to go to USC in order to go to Seattle. Right. And maybe Coach Belichick might have to go to a in order to go to Seattle right and maybe coach Belichick master Might have to go to a UNC a well in the case may be right for a year or two in order to get back

But he's too close to the all-time record right? To like no, I'm good Yeah, I don't care what anybody says people are competitive especially with milestone records. It's just the way it is. And you don't get to that level. Nobody has ever achieved anything without being competitive because life is a competition.

Whether you're an actor, you're a musician, you're a chef, it doesn't matter. You wanna be the best. And the likelihood, if he gets this record, I don't know. I don't know if Andy's going to have enough years to coach to catch it. Who's going to coach long enough to catch it and to win like he's won? Think about it. There was a 20-year stretch there with him and Tom. They had one season, I think, they won the Superbowl in 01, they went like, they

were eight and eight. Other than that, they was 10 and six, 11, five, 12 and four, 13 and three, 14 and two. For 20 years. I don't know if anybody will break that record. And so I think he's going to want, I think he wants it. I think he wants to get it. And I don't blame him. Yeah.

I don't blame him. Definitely don't. Definitely don't. It's going to be, but you got to go to the right situation or you'll be coaching 10 years, it'll take you 10 years to break it. Yeah. I'm listening. I'm excited for him.

You know, whatever he wants to do. A lot of kept time Brady just to break it. I like yet. Hey, hey, hey, Bob. Whatever he wants to do. I would have kept Tom Brady just to break it. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah something else interests me. It's kind of like a relationship, Ocho. Sometimes, hey, you get ready to leave, now the party wants to treat you good. Nah, you had a chance to treat me good for five, six, 10 years. Yeah. I done made my mind up. Yeah, that's how it be sometimes.

Yeah. Yeah, I done made my mind up. Plus I got a little honey little, little honey outside too. That thing is sweet. Oh yeah. All right. The Patriots will be, will, will reportedly be all in on signing wide receiver T Higgins this off season.

But after tonight's game, Charlie Clifford tweeted, Joe Burr with a post game bombshell. I'm confident we're going to do whatever it takes to get T Higgins back in 2025. Said he's willing to do whatever it takes to make that happen. Sounds like Joy B might rework his deal to keep his wide outs. Ooh, I like that. I like that. But, but listen, listen, I know one thing T Higgins is not taking no

goddamn home team discount. I would hope not. He wants to be a one somewhere. Let's not play that game. So I'm understanding what numbers can make, can Joe configure where they can fit, they can fit in, in, uh, and T Higgins. I don't know what that may be. Now from a business standpoint, I love the idea, but I actually don't because

in the grand scheme of things, there's nowhere you can pay T Higgins and Jamar Chase at the same time, especially based on Jamar Chase's true value and what he deserves and you will need to save some of that money for Hendrickson. You need to bring him back. He's the best defensive player, Ocho. Yeah. And you see why he showed up tonight when they needed, when they needed pressure and they needed sacks.

Well, they got it. They got it. They got it. Listen, I love, I love Joe. I love what Joe was talking about, but it's impossible. It's, it's impossible. It's, yeah, I just don't know how you put $70 million into receivers. Oh, Joe, I just don't see how you do it. You can receivers, Ocho. I just don't see how you do it.

You can't. You can't. I don't. Listen, I'm going to be the first one to tell you. T. Higgins deserves. He deserves, you know, and he's not going to be able to get what he deserves in Cincinnati, as much as I love him and as much as I would love for him to stay, but this is the business. I need people that are fans of the game to be able to separate being a fan in the business side of things. So T can get what he deserves.

Kirk Cousins status as the Falcons starting quarterback has been questioned over the last month. He's thrown eight in the sessions, no touchdowns over the team's four games, over the four game losing streak. Yeah, man. However, the Falcons Raheem Morris is choosing to stick with Cousins once again. He said today, Cousins will start next Monday night against the Las Vegas Raiders.

I've said this, Ocho, they still have a chance to win the division. Once we're mathematically eliminated, I'll go to Pinnock Jr. But until then, no. Right. I mean, we kind of said the same thing. We said the same thing. I said the same thing. I said the same thing. I think it was last night. We talked about it, you know, in short. Listen, if there's a game where Kirk Cousins can rebound and build somewhat of a little bit of confidence

and getting that rhythm and chemistry back and rapport with the receiver, his receiving core with his running backs and kind of get things going and get his confidence back it would probably be the Raiders as long as he can stay off the goddamn floor with Matt Cromby you know breathing down his neck but as long as he don't be the Raiders best player yeah that's a good one I like that I like that because that's the problem because turning the ball over you would be the Raiders best player. But this is a game, you know, defensively where he can get off. He can get off a little bit. So we'll see what happens.

And if they lose again, if they happen to lose to the Raiders, you know, I think a change will be made at any point that they're eliminated. It all depends on if Tampa loses also. Right. Because right now, because remember Ocho, they beat Tampa head to head in Tampa. Oh. Now Tampa's got, I'm not mistaken. Hey, that Thursday night game you talk about, that Tampa, the Atlanta Falcons Thursday night game, that was the best Thursday night outside of the recent.

It was in Tampa, it was in Atlanta, right? I believe so. I'm talking about that one, It was awesome. I'm talking about back and forth. Yes. I never got to get that game. And so we've already got the Falcons saying, we already got the head to head, so we beat you again. And we got the same record. We went to division because we swept you in the division.

So I understand Raheem Morris, why he's not doing that. The Ravens insist that they're focused on making a playoff run, not recent discipline of a teammate. The Ravens suspended Deontay Johnson for one game after GM Eric DeCosta said the veteran wide receiver refused to enter the game. Damn! Oh, players really do that? Anyway, let's finish up. December 1st game against the Eagles. On Monday coming off the bye, Johnson's fellow wide receiver said they didn't have any issue with it. It ain't a distraction, Zay Flowers flower said that's not my decision to make. He's still one of my guys.

He's still one of our guys. Johnson, who's not practicing with the team during the suspension will miss Sunday's game at the giants. Oh Joe, do you believe this is a distraction? I, it's not a distraction, especially as a player, as a, as a player, you understand certain players have to make business decisions that they feel is best for themselves or whatever it may be, even though it's football related, but we as players, I don't know how you felt, Unc, we as

players don't allow anything else to bother us except what we control. Yeah. That's it. Hell, I ain't get suspended, it ain't my money. Yeah. It is, it's, you know, normally as in most times on the other side of the fence, now being on the media side of things, we consider things being a distraction that are going on in the locker room when it's based off one

individual having an issue but it's no damn distraction because we as players have a job to do we have a name on the back of our jersey and the job that we do as a team comes from an individual standpoint once we touch that field we ain't worried about nothing else being no goddamn distractions when that whistle blows you think I'm worried about why Deontay Johnson ain't here? Oh, why is he against- Now, if that was Zay Flowers, it would be a distraction. If that was Derrick Henry, it would be a distraction. Yeah. Yeah. That's a distraction. The fifth

wide receiver not going into the game because he don't feel like he getting his uh, he getting his number call. Right. Ain't no damn distraction. No. Oh, I just thought it was a situation where hell, he wasn't in the game because he wasn't in the game plan. Hell, it wouldn't do it like he was doing something and practice or doing something in the game when he was in there. So that's how I look at it. I agree with you.

I'm not looking at a guy or fourth or fifth wide receiver as being a distraction. No, Zay Flowers, uh, Mark Andrews, uh, Derrick Henry. Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. They're not Marlon Humphrey. Yeah. Zay Flowers, Mark Andrews, Derrick Henry, yeah, something like that there, Marlon Humphrey. Yeah. Now I'm like, whoa, whoa, what's really going on? That's a problem, yeah.

That's a distraction. That's just not a distraction. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life. The referee, the coach, the expert.

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tenure with the New York Yankees. John Hyman of the New York Post reported Soto had negative feelings about an instance in April or May where the Yankee security guy removed one of his parents from the area of the Yankee Stadium. The same security guy reportedly also removed Soto's driver and chef later in the year, forcing them to stand outside in the rain. Hyman asked Soto about the issue

after the Yankees walked to the Dodgers in five. Soto is a family guy and he was not happy at the time. Understandable. Man, y'all best run a couch GP with this job. Understandable. Now, and what was funny, because of the decision, this might have went into his decision making on going to the next right down the goddamn street. And what's going to happen now is the Yankees are going to go back. They're going to do their homework, find out who this was that removed his family.

The chef, the driver, whoever it may have been, the family member and had them standing in the rain and boy, you're going to have to answer to somebody. You're going to have to be the unemployed, the unemployment officer. Yeah, you're going to have to have an employment office. You're going to have to answer to somebody. You know, I understand it's one thing to do your job, but don't abuse your power doing your job. But here's the thing.

There's one thing to do your job, but understand who you do your job with. Yeah. And four. Yeah. Because you got to understand that's Juan Soto. Aaron Judge, you ain't doing that. Juan Soto, you're not doing that. There's certain things.

When Gita was in there, A-Rod, come on. Oh, no, you're not doing that. You, you, I mean, I mean, there's certain things. I get it. I get, I understand security, but John and myself and TD really. Yeah. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Now that was going to be a major problem. Yeah. And I'm sure that that came down to a decision-making you know

Could you look at because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either Ocho? He got an ideal situation. He got a short right field porch either left-handed batter. He has a very discerning eye. Yeah You know He's not a three of but two 85 is a nice average. I mean, now, Hey, it used to be guy. It used to be guys 300. Now guys want to blast the ball over the fence, but he has a very discerning guy. Yeah. He's, he's, you're not going to strike him out.

He's not going to swing at bad pitches. He's going to make you get him out. He's not going to help you. Uh, he's a very, he's a very good player, young player. Oh Joe, he turned down three years ago, 15 years, 450. Three years later, he got an extra 315. Yeah. He knew better.

He understood. That's what you call not only trusting yourself, that's called betting on yourself. Yeah. Understand there was going to be no decline in your game. And in three years time, you knew where you would be at because of the consistency and the work that you put in. That's called betting on yourself. The baseball union, Ocho, they don't let you give deals.

Because they want to keep driving the salaries up and they know if you give somebody a deal, now that pause is there. That's why guys will let me, why do you need that ideal situation? Because they want to drive the salaries up. Damn ideal situation. We want these salaries to continuously go up. And the only way we do that is that if you go somewhere, even if it's not ideal for you, it's ideal for the betterment of the system. It's the right.

So that's why Ohtani left. Now Mike Trout was the only one that stayed and took the money. Look at Pujos, look at the guys, Avery, look at those guys. They're like, nah, bro, must be the money. Now I get Aaron Judge because he's a hometown kid. He grew up in the Yankees organization

and they gave him something. You're a Yankees captain. That means something. A lot. Especially when you got them pinstripes on there. Yes, yes, yes. So I'm happy for Juan Soto. I would have loved for him to stay. Obviously I root for the Yankees, but I understand it. If that was one of the reasons that he left, I can't say I'm blaming. Man, you treat my family like that. Got people standing in the rain that I love.

Man, please. I'm surprised we didn't hear more about this because he probably probably would have raised some he probably should have raised some hell being yeah But hey, he bothered it up. Yeah, they're gonna come in time Because he left for the he left the Yankees what for extra five million dollars? Oh, Joe I asked and I asked a question this morning. What can't you buy with 760 that you can at 765? Well, you got to, you get that kind of money. Oh Joe, what? Nothing. Nothing, nothing at all.

That's, that's what, that's what we call, you know, I wonder what would be the term for that kind of salary because sometimes you think about it, some of the top NBA players, they get, they get fuck you money. Yeah. What you think this is? It's called fuck you money. So I'm trying, what do you call this? Oh Joe, just thinking so much.

Just thinking somebody gave you, oh Joe, they say, oh Joe, for the next, for the next 15 years, we're going to give you 10 million a year. 15. Right. He getting 51. So that's not fuck you money. We, we need that. We need another term or analogy for this because this is, this

surpasses that of NBA players. You ain't no you. That's everyone. That's everyone money. Now it's time for our very special segment and it's led by Ocho. This is soccer cap y'all my good people y' listening? Can we hear me? Anyway, no you. Mic check, mic check, mic check.

The UEFA Champions League is heating up baby as match day six kicks off on Tuesday and Wednesday this week. Listen to me, highlighting a slate of incredible matchup is Barocha Dortmund versus Barcelona on Wednesday Wednesday exclusively on Paramount Plus. These two massive clubs currently have the same amount of points sitting on 12 points each near the top of the league. Table. Other amazing matches include unbeaten at Atlanta versus Real Madrid while Arsenal host Monaco and Juventus face Manchester City as teams battle for position and critical points in order At the Atlanta versus Real Madrid while Arsenal host Monaco and Juventus face Manchester City as teams battle for position and critical points in order to qualify for the knockout rounds

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league phase. That's the same tally as Barcelona and one that's bettered only by Inter Milan 13 and Liverpool 15 ahead of the final round of fixtures of the calendar year. Dortmund is searching for its first win against Barcelona amid having their best start to a Champions League campaign since 2016-2017. But this past weekend, Dortmund had an injury since Nicolas Schuylah and Maximilian Bjarre are in danger of joining their teammates, Walter Atten, Julian Brandt and Kareem, I don't know how to say last name,

on the sidelines. Dortmund should be providing an update this Tuesday on the press conference if they're able to play or not. In this game, who am I going with listen look at Barcelona they've had Dortmund's number in their head-to-head matches so if i was a bed man and if you're a bed man at home i take Barcelona to win this game you got Barcelona yeah i got Barcelona i got Barcelona? Yeah, I got Barcelona. I got Barcelona. That's it? Uh, absolutely, Unc. That is it for soccer kizab.

That is it for soccer kizab. That is it for soccer kizab. That concludes Soccer Cap Soccer Kizab. Ocho Jaleel White is catching heat online after saying he feels Family Matters is left out of legacy black entertainment and Family Matters always ranking last on the polls of favorite black shows underneath Martin and Livin' Single. If it's not a hood story, it's not a black story. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I don't understand what these mean. Listen, Family Matters is a legacy when it comes to sitcoms back in the day. Yes. Family Matters, Martin, is all under the same umbrella.

I mean, I'm not sure what you're talking about. A different world? I mean, Need I Keep Going? Living Single? I mean, it just is. And what he can't worry about is when publications or media outlets talk about, let's talk about the culture, the culture in general,

and how that show resonates with all of us when it comes to family, the Cosby show. Family, all that is under the same arm. That was none, and the Cosby definitely wasn't no damn hood. Oh, man, listen, absolutely not. So he's mistaken. I'm not sure where he's getting his information from.

But listen, it resonates with all of us is... It was okay, but, bro, it is okay. Listen, it's okay. Bro, you had, I think the show was on seven years, six, seven years back. Bro, you had a nice run. Very good run. You can't concern yourself about how the culture feels

about certain shows. It's okay. It's okay It's okay. That doesn't make it that'll make any less You were phenomenal in the role that you played Urkel is one of the the roles That will remember forever Yeah But I don't think many people think Family Matters was as good a show as Martin, as good a show as Living Single, as good a show as A Different World, as good a show as some of the others. It's just not! And it's okay! They're all special in their own right. They all gave you something different.

They all gave you something different, you know? Family Matters was the family dynamic. Family dynamic. Bill, I mean, the Cosby show was a family dynamic. Yes. If you wanted to watch something else, then you watch a different type of show that didn't give you that family dynamic. Yes. But it was fun.

Family Matters was great, man, from top to goddamn bottom, man. Life lessons, you know, all types of stuff they gave us, along with laughter. Mm-hmm. But it's okay. But look, I disagree. I don't think because it wasn't a hood story

isn't why it's ranked underneath Living Single and some of those other shows. I just think those other shows were better. That's just me. There's some people that say, hey, I like Family Matters and that's fine too. But Martin was Appointment Viewer. Living Single was Appointment View Yeah. But Martin was appointment viewing, living single was appointment viewing.

It, it, it just was right. It ain't nothing wrong with that. I mean, Martin people will still watch reruns of Martin to this day. And you will still laugh as it is the first time seeing it. Yeah. The first time seeing it, which is, which is weird. And Martin Martin show the Jamie Foxx show. it just happened to be one of them ones. They were special in their own right.

But that doesn't take anything away from what family matters. It doesn't. What does some people, it's all on the surface and what you like. That was, it was a. I still love Sinead when she wanted to fight Pam. Oh, in the hallway, in the hallway. Yeah. I mean, a little dude.

Lil Roscoe? Roscoe, yeah. How he knows? Man, listen, man. Hey, Martin was great, bro. Martin was great. Legendary singer and songwriter Mickey Howard shared a striking memory from the height of her career. After winning a Soul Train Music Award, she's a devoted fan of Anita Baker, saw her idol backstage, expecting congratulations.

She was instead met with sharp criticism, a sharp comment, as Anita whispered, put that award on your mantle because it's the last award you're going to get. The remarks stung Mickey, leaving her with mixed emotion. Reflected on that moment, Mickey Howard explained how serious and competitive artists were in that era, particularly those who achieved legendary status. She noted that performers like Anita Baker, Chaka Khan, were intensely focused on their craft with a passion that extended to even casual interactions, like Chaka's unwillingness to lose at a game of cards. Well, them legends there, boy. Shaka Khan, Anita Baker, Aretha Franklin. So this divaism ain't just started

because they want to make it seem like it just started with Whitney and Mariah and Beyonce. So we're talking about before they were even born. Way back. But them Divas didn't even just start. That was Divas way be the Patti LaBelle's of the world. Man, stop playing. What you talking about? Hold up. Didn't Anita Baker kick Babyface off her tour? Is that? I don't know. Chad, help me, Chad, am I right? I think her and Babyface had a tour

and I think Babyface was getting a little bit more attention or praise or something. And I think she kicked them off the tour. I could be wrong if I'm speaking out of place, guys. Forgive me. But I think I read something about that. And Anita Baker been going at it with somebody. I can't remember exactly who it is.

Anita Baker and somebody, I can't remember another artist from is. Anita Baker and somebody, I can't remember, another artist from back then, they just been taking pop shots at each other on Twitter. Y'all, hold up, you remember when they had, hold on, they had these women singing. I think it was Mariah, I think it was Aretha, they had Christina Aguilera, they had them all out there on show.

Yeah. And they, hey, you not fit to outdo me. I got that Aretha saying, y'all better stop playing with the queen now. in the Agri-Lera, they have them all out there, Ocho. Yeah. And they, hey, you not fit out do me. I got that Aritha saying, y'all better stop playing with the queen now. Every time one would go, another one would go higher and another one would go higher and another one would go higher.

Stop playing. No. Now we could do this all night. How y'all wanna do it? Yeah. Yeah, so, How y'all want to do it? Yeah. So, uh, but everything is competitive. Oh, Joe.

Yeah. It listened in anything that you do, especially when you want to be, when you want to be great, when you want to be great at whatever it is that you're doing, you know, when it comes to music, hell, it could be the corporate world. If you're trying to climb that goddamn ladder, sports, football, basketball. I mean, that's, that's just what it is. You know, anything else that you're doing in life where you're not trying to be the best and the greatest at it, you just wasting your time unless you're just

doing the poor check. Nah, nah, nah, them women, they want to be, I mean, Shaka and Patty LaBelle and Aretha. I mean, you know, when you talk, yeah, Stephanie want to be, I mean, Shaka and Patti LaBelle and Aretha. I mean, you know, when you talk, yeah, Stephanie, hey. Hey, boy. Hey, that woman, she by this tall? Yeah. She got a set of lungs on her.

She can blow like. Go back, that stuff that she did with a Teddy Pendergrass? Grass, yeah. Well, y'all better stop playing with Stephanie What's that note boring Hey, sometimes I come across the boat like I'm pull up you see them old women sing No, I'm say old women but old clips of those women singing. Mm-hmm. Hey, you they just don't make them like that like they wish I wish I Wish I was able to see Tina Marie live.

Oh, I'm old enough to remember Tina Marie in her absolute prime. Hey, boy, man, if I could just- Go back and listen to Fire and Desire. What you, man, I got all that now, you know, we come from the same era of music, you know? I remember when Tina Marie was at her absolute apex. I did not know until I was much older. I was grown before I found out she was white. Yeah. Oh, because when you hear the voice,

when you hear the voice, you would never know unless you see her. You would never know. Ain't nothing white about that. And she's smart. I don't know what it is about the smallest women got the biggest ass boys Christine Aguilera Christine Aguilera another one Ariana Grande Ariana Grande Yay, tall but voice Tina Marie or Stephanie meal. Yeah Melba what you finna say Melba Moore? Know about that you know more man. She follow me on social media. She always hit me up. Hey, Melba, how you doing? You know about Melba Moore. Come on, man. Yeah. Bye, please. Yeah. I didn't, that's an absolute legends, legends, icons

in the game, man. Okay, let me show what I got today. What you got today? What you got? Man you know me. Let me see. Let me see. Let me see. Let me see That look like cake That's pound cake lemon crunch cake. What kind of cake? It's a butt cake, huh? It's a butt cake a bucket. Oh who but oh Bunt. Oh, B-U-N-T? B-U-N-D-T, damn! Oh, Bunt, okay, okay, okay. I ain't never heard of that, but that look good, that boy.

It's a pecan bourbon. Okay, oh, so it got alcohol in it, huh? Who made that? Okay, hey. You gave me the cookbook and everything. Hey, I hit up on, I DM'd them. Man, you. Hey, I hit up. I did. Man, you know me. I like some idea people. You can't do double block me.

Hold on. Let me get a name right. Oh, yeah. Yes, hold on. No, if you say you don't, you stop cooking today. Her name is LaK Lakeisha Dixon Jones. Uh, her bakery is called, uh, savory and sweet treats. You got ATL. Look at that.

I got a cookbook. I can't cook nothing but rice. But hey, and I got a peach cobbler butt cake. I got another lady prepared me one also. So I told her I was gonna give her a shout out on the show tonight. Y'all want some of that, don't you? Joel, you want a piece? Hey, see if she's watching tonight.

How you doing, ma'am? Oh, she's watching. Oh, she's watching? How you doing? Yeah. I'm Ojo, I'm down in Miami. If at any time you have any free time, like I'm pretty simple.

I normally go to Publix and- She got us like go to Ass Savoring Sweet Treats. And you can see the different type of pound cakes that she make. Bunk, excuse me, I'll keep, Bunk cake, but they pound cakes. Pound cake, Bunk cake, the only difference is one got a hole in it, the other is

smooth across the top. That's the only difference between a Bunk cake and a pound cake. But it is it is it is pound, but cake. But hey, it's unbelievable. I'm sure I'm trying to shoot my shot on getting me a cake. Oh, I guess I mean, I'll send a text and have to get it to you. I get your address.

OK, OK, I just want to let her know if she watch it right now. I like yellow cake with chocolate icing, yellow, yellow cake with chocolate icing. Yellow cake with chocolate icing. Thank you and I appreciate it. And you know, I used to have somebody used to make cake for me, but you know, they, they done, they didn't, they, you know, you know, unfortunate. So we don't know. We don't get it. But, uh, yeah. Uh, uh, uh, uh, savory and sweet treats, uh, ATL. That's the name of her. Uh, that's the name of her. That's the name of her IG Oh, she oh she in that little

Yeah, oh she right down the street for me. Yeah, well, we got a man. We got to cook up some man And we got to come to something, you know No, we cook it on nothing. Oh And I got another one. Yeah. She gonna send me a cake. No, don't be greedy. Don't be greedy. Oh, I'ma be greedy.

No, don't be greedy. What that is, what that is? Man, I don't know. What that is, huh? It's a, so fans and, so Fana and Sharper. So Fana and Sharper. So Fana and sharper. So Fana sharper. Okay.

Mama. So Fana buttercream dreams. Oh, she got a, a sweet potato pie. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Okay. I like that. I like that bread. So I got to get that. Yeah. I got to get that. Okay I gotta get that. Yeah. I gotta get that.

Okay, okay, okay, okay. You wanna see the tuba? Yeah. I tell you what to do, Ocho. This what I'm gonna do for you. What's up? If you keep the light out of my eye, I keep the taste out your mouth.

Just do that for me right there. Don't let no light get in my eyes. I'm gonna keep the taste out your mouth. That's a good one now. That's a good one. You know, it take a team to do that. Now we gotta be like Deuce of Hazard, huh? You hear me?

We gotta be like Smokey and the Bandit. You hear me? What you know about Smokey and the Bandit? Oh, don't do me like that. Come on, don't do me like that. Don't do me like that. Don't do me like that. As a matter of fact-

You were barely born with Smokey and the Bandit came out with Burt Riddles. I was on set. I was on set when they were filming. I remember that. I remember that. With boy Luke Duke. Yeah, man, uh, uh, with boy Luke Duke. Yeah, man, boy. Man with old Daisy.

Yeah. Old cousin Daisy came out of Daisy Duke's home. Hey, Daisy was nice, wasn't she? Boy, Daisy Duke weighed all the 92 pounds. Pounds. But back then, back then she was, she was, hey, she was, she was, What? She was the only thing smoking, huh?

Yeah, man. Boy, she came out there with them rim shorts on. Boy. Good night, Irene. Telling, looking like a toothpick. Hey. Hey, man, like an upside down drumstick. That's all it was.

Yeah, nah. Hey, matter of fact, I got some, hey, I want to say this, man, there's some people out there, man. Out there in Brent, Alabama. You know they watching, all them boys watching at BIV Correctional Facility. Appreciate y'all boys tuning in with us man. You know, and locking in with us each night

when y'all have opportunity. And that's pretty much it man. Y'all hold your head, all love on this end. Appreciate that man, appreciate the support. BIV County Correctional Institute. All love on this end. Appreciate that man. Appreciate the support. Bill County Correctional Institute. Hell, I'm down to Bill County. That sound like maker.

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and Entertainment on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. ["I Heart Women's Sports"] All right, Ocho Chapa, last segment of the evening is time for Q and A. Q and A, ask me anything you want. I used to be a rapper, now I'm finna trapper. I to be a rapper. A 9th and a trapper.

I lost 92 bricks in N'Yapa. Rodney Ford said, Foot ball, Ocho. You were just crying. You sound like a Cowboys fan celebrating a C-plus season. Hey, hold on homeboy, hold on homeboy. One thing you don't do is you don't disrespect

me or my bangles. Because if you do that, you ain't gonna be able to say foot or ball Say something slick about my bangles again. You're gonna be having a liquid diet. You know what that mean, huh? Huh? I'm gonna give you one keep leafing again. Huh? Keep it cute. Keep it cute now play. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm on that whatever you want. I'm on that. What you trying to do? Savannah Sharper. Oh man y'all go to Savannah Savannah sharper IG pay and look at this sweet potato pecan pound cakes Potato pecan a sweet potato pecan cake or they put pecans in there. Yep. They got sweet potato Pecan pound cakes. Hey, that's that sound like a delicate and she got that if you got that buttercream

On the top of it, that breaded cream. Hey, that sound like a delicacy to me. In fact, I can get me some of that, right? And sip me some tea and hold my pinky up like this, you know? So I can feel classy. You're going to be eating it by yourself. You ain't got nobody to share it with. You like me. You ain't even had to take no shot like that.

That was a low blow. That was a low blow especially at a time like this when I'm going through a difficult time. Hey guess what? I guess you'll be eating cake with me. You'll be at my house eating cake and we'll be talking together. Misery loves company. Yeah it's all good. It's all, I'm a, I'm a be all right because I'm going to therapy. That's what I'm talking about. That's that's the day for been there. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Brandon Martinez, Bingo should make a movie with all that acting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Brandon Martinez, bingo should make a movie with all that acting. Now, yeah. Now I mean, look, that was a look. You gotta get a win. I mean, you gotta start somewhere. They knew if the Bengals lose this game, this season was over. Oh yeah. I mean, there ain't even a 2% chance. At least they got a milk chance right now, which is 2%. They lose this game. It's over. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it was a... JR 55, go ahead. No, I was just saying it was a good...

All jokes aside, it was a good game for us. And the timing of the team we were playing, you know, obviously with them being in the down years, it was big for us. And hell, we almost lost it. We almost lost this one too. We almost lost this one. Well, Joe was at his... Luck was going to be on our side. Joe was at it. That and your defense, your defense held them to 20. Yeah. Yeah.

Defense held them to 20. JR 5543, Jerry Jones and MacArthur need to bring back the hometown buffet. Everybody, excuse me, everyone come, get in, all they can eat and leave. See like, there is no home field advantage for the Cowboys. They don't have a home field advantage like Arrowhead. They don't have a home field advantage like Lambo. They don't have a home field advantage like Ma's tradition. Because sometimes you can have a stadium that the ambiance that people come in

and they look at the stadium and they ain't cheered and they ain't booing like, it's kind of like, you know what it's like, Ocho to the sphere if you get an opportunity to go to the sphere yeah it's not the act because I'm watching I'm watching the MMA fight man I'm looking at all the yeah yeah yeah yeah that's one that's one of those places where the aesthetics trumps whatever's going on on the inside no question about it no question. I don't care. I mean, look, I think the Eagles are getting ready to perform there.

I think they're going to be there for like two weeks, two or three weeks. Man, like I said, I went and I watched. I'm watching the UFC fight. Well, I was supposed to be watching the UFC fight, but I'm just looking at all the stuff that's going around because it's amazing. Yeah, it is. It is amazing. It is.

You have to go see it. Yeah, for those in the chat that haven't missed the spear, the amount of money that they put into it, get just that. That's the experience you get. Sometimes you hear things that cost a lot of money and you see it in person, it's like, what, they paid all that for this? But it's every bit of what you expect based on what they had to pay for and it is unbelievable

It's unbelievable now side and there's even better on the inside. You got to experience it Zeke is that Carrasco what I'm gonna know to die hard delusional cowboy fan here. Y'all got lucky We messed up that block point and didn't have that. We'll be back better next year for our Super Bowl run. See? He told you what he was. He said I'm a delusional cowboy fan. Yeah I like that. I like that. It's all about being self-aware. Self-awareness is very important in anything that we do. Right. Nightlife transportation. Good

wearing tonight, Chad. If y'all would have lost Cooper rush up with a roast of you. Yo, you know what? Yeah, yeah all night long Absolutely. Well, actually actually if we had lost tonight, I wouldn't even been on the show cuz I won't show it up No, yeah, you show it up Come get me jokes Apache Hall said oh Joe I recently watched a Monday night football game between the Bengals and the Steelers. The turnover was your teammate and I was curious why you were so frustrated with the game between the Steelers ending winning 27-21, Steeler Nation.

I don't know. I'm not sure the game you're referencing, I can't remember. If we lost, I'm always frustrated. He said with T.O. He said, I was recently watching a Monday night game between the Bengals and the Steelers when T.O. was your teammate and I was curious why you were so frustrated with that game between my Steelers ended up winning 27-21. Oh, hey, that's the game.

Remember I told you what Carson cussed me out? That was it. That's the game. I was hot. I was it. That's the game. I was hot, I was hot. Yeah, that game I was talking about. And Carson was like, if you ever motherfucking show me up like that again,

I'll never throw your ass the ball. I was like, oh shit, okay, whatever dog, he got a little, he got a little, he got a little that dog in him. That was funny. Pat Dove said, Ocho, how would you feel if T ended up with the Broncos because he ain't gonna be back with y'all next year? We know he's not gonna be back, Oh Joe, how would you feel if T ended up with the Broncos because he ain't gonna be back with y'all next year?

We know he's not gonna be back, you know, from a financial perspective and standpoint. I wouldn't mind him going there. I wouldn't mind him going there. I wouldn't mind him going to New England. You know, New England hadn't Drake May now. I wouldn't mind him going to the Broncos as well because of the quarterback play over there. Now Bo Nicks and Drake May and, um, and then, and wait, it was another team. I said, yeah, Joe, Drake, Drake, May, Drake, May and Bo Nicks, that

big man Patriots. Yeah. They ain't no goddamn thing. Got no, they ain't got no goddamn Joe Burrow, but he going to ball both and boys to throw that ball. They, they are good thos of the ball. So I wouldn't have a problem with that, but he deserves his money. I love what Joe Burrow said, but T there's nothing he can do contractually where T can get what he actually

deserves that he didn't get from another team. He's not gonna be able to get it from Cincinnati with Chase getting ready to break the bank the way he is. With no goddamn mask on. Dr. Frankie L Bellamy, what's up Doc? If Ocho played with Joe Burrow today, would he still be the number one option or would Chase take that spot? Ocho, how would you handle sharing the spotlight with Chase? Love y'all. I mean, listen, obviously if I was with Chase, I'd probably take a back seat.

I'd probably take a back seat because I know I'm going to get mine anyway. I'm going to get mine anyway. Same way when Tio came to Cincinnati, when Tio came to Cincinnati, I took a backseat because I understood that this is greatness in front of me, regardless of what I had done to a point. I ain't, I ain't motherfucking stupid. I ain't delusional. We talk about one of the greatest, all goddamn time.

Like I'm good in my own right, you know? I ain't, I am the greatest entertaining football player of all time. Now when it comes to playing the game and having stats of that of one of the best ever, you understand you know what that is and you you put your motherfucker pride in your side. Boom. T. Here go the motherfucking keys. Do your thing. I'm following behind you. So he was Batman. I was Robin. I don't have no problem with that. Now hypothetically speaking, if I had an opportunity to play with Chase, there were things that Chase does that I could never do. I ain't catching no goddamn slanting hitch route and going motherfucking 60 70

Right with that doing one thing triple team me and let me show you I can steal it open Let me show you I can carve your motherfucking defense up on any month around Let me show you I can beat you deep You know all that you know catching the ball short and thinking I'm finna make two and three people miss and me going hell nah, shit man. I'm gonna make a business decision. I'm going down.

You ain't finna hit me. Yeah man, sorry, self-awareness. Alex here, love y'all show up. What do you think of bow Nick so far? What players do you think Broncos need to become legit? Legit Subo contenders, Ocho PS two versus one will be a show. Unfortunately, one getting clamped. Chappellys.

Chappellys. What it needs. Look, they need a corner. Another, uh, I like Macmillan. I like Macmillan. Um, I like the linebackers, maybe another, uh, pass Russian D tackle some office, a lot office alignment. I thought Givante, uh, would, would, would be better. Uh, but they kind of like McLaughlin.

But I think some offensive line, show up that offensive line to make sure Bo is protected. Tight end. Get a tight end. I mean, they got guys. Can you imagine if they find a tight end in the giraffe? I'm not sure if there's one that's as good as Brock Powers or even close. Oh yeah, there ain't no tight end that good.

This shit ain't no, hell no. Brock Powers got a chance to be really, I'm talking about really special. I'm talking about he got a chance to, hey, he got a chance, I mean, he get, now he gonna take some lumps and bruises. He gonna take some lumps. He gonna have some damn a lot of AOs.

Yeah. Unless they get a quarterback in there. Yeah. But he got, hey, he got, he got gold jacket potential. Yeah, absolutely. He a quarterback in there. Yeah, but he got a he got he got gold jacket potential. Yeah, absolutely And he got gold jacket potential Isaiah Lancaster, I can oh Joe with the bills versus the Lions game determined if Josh lots of the MVP and can buffalo bounce back. Yes The Lions keep losing players every single week on the defensive side of football. I think their secondary can be had. I do think they secondary can be had.

Offensively, they're really good, especially on that fast turf. Now, you think the Rams, you better be on your best behavior because they're another team that could put 40 up on your ass in the blink of an eye. Yeah. And I think, I think, you know what I also think? I think the I think, you know what I also think? I think the bills, the, oh man, I think it's too much. It's too much firepower. It's too much firepower.

Not only do you have to deal with Amon Ross St. Brown and Jamison Williams, then you have to deal with that goddamn two headed muscle in that goddamn backfield and Montgomery and Jamiro Gibbs, you know? Right. Boom. It's only, listen, Josh Allen can only put on that cape for so long. He can only put on that cape for so long and do what he needs to do offensively

But it's the same thing what they just had to deal with with the goddamn Rams Yeah, same thing. You got Pookin the cool going crazy. What you think goddamn Amara gonna do? What you think Jameson Williamson gonna do and that there to yeah, they're two different type of animals and What if one is one guy's gonna work the middle of the field, gonna work the underneath stuff. Jamison Wave is looking to take the top off it. You got Tim Patrick, who's solid. You got LaPorta, you got the two-headed monster

in the backfield. In the backfield, man, it's too much. And they got a way better offensive line than the Rams. Oh yeah, it's too much. Yeah, man, yes. Who must've deal with some. They got Ragnar, they got Glasnow, they got Fnace. Yeah, they got Fnace S. So they got rag now. They got glass now. They got glass now. They got a, yeah, they got finesse. So they got Decker.

I think Decker is still injured. Oh, they loaded. Yeah. They're really, really, really, really good big time. So, but Josh can put on that cake. He can single handle it. When your game, he's that good. I can't wait to see that game.

That game. What is that? That? What do they play? Marky Jambino Gambini. What's up, Uncle Nocho? Do you think the NFL would ever have an NFC, AFC playoff? It could be a chance to see through NFC. No. That's why they split it up. Just like you got Eastern and the Western karma. Right. Right. You got AL and an NL. Right. They split it up just like you got Eastern in the Western car. I got a L and an L No, I don't think so I think they like this they like look the game is competitive the conferences are competitive Yeah, the the Pro Bowl was some trash and you see what they're trying to do with the NBA all-star game Because ain't nobody want to see no 200 points scored in the All-Star game. They gotta incentivize it a little bit more.

How do you incentivize it for goddamn multi-millionaires that make the kind of money NBA players make? Why I gotta incentivize it, don't you? Because it's called an All-Star game for a reason. And when you play an All-Star game, it's the middle. And you already making 100,000? Hey, them boys chilling, man. Yes, that's the middle. And you already making a hundred thousand. Hey them boys chilling man. Yes.

That's the problem. Yeah. I mean, look at, and everybody quit calling Jordan, Kobe, okay. Well be Jordan and Kobe in the All-Star game. Be Elijah one in the All-Star game. And do that. They play, they play for real, boy.

Do that. Y'all quit calling. I love their mentality. Oh, y'all love their mentality when they play the regular, in the regular season. When it's convenient. Y'all quick off. I love their mentality. Oh, y'all love their mentality when they play the regular season. When it's convenient. Y'all, what about the All-Star game? Yeah, yeah.

Times have changed. It was the same thing. The Pro Bowl used to be competitive. I'm not saying we approached it like we was playing a regular season game, but that was actually tackling. I knew and I said it and people got upset with me. I said, oh, the owners gonna be mad at this. Oh, they're not fin gonna pay y'all this money to go there play two-handed touch. Oh, no

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, nah, nah, I'm telling you they're gonna change it I said y'all better pick it up. They gave y'all every opportunity and y'all didn't want to hit nobody Yeah, football is still tackling. Oh Joe Yeah, I mean there ain't no way around it. Hey, listen when we to the Pro Bowl, now listen, I played it during that era. I played during that era now. Then the first three quarters, now we bullshitting. Yeah, but you still tackle. Yeah, one on two head touch. We still tackle. But Ray, we get to that fourth quarter and Ray say, all right now, it's time to go. Man, we started playing for real cuz we want to win that game. We need that check

Yeah, it's bill and they make it 75 or 100,000. Oh Joe It was 10,000 to the winners 5,000 to the losers. Yeah Now imagine you done brought guest over It's cuz you come over there're coming for the whole week. Yeah, it's the only way to pay it back. You got to win that game. Yes. And you left with a deficit.

Some people brought their whole family. They brought mom, they brought in-laws. That's what happened to the Hall of Fame game. They changed the rules and had it in the stadium because they used to have it on the doorsteps. Jim Kelly brought a thousand guests. What? A thousand.

Like, serious? A thousand. I don't even know a thousand people. If you go through your phone, Ocho, and everybody that's in your phone, and they're family members, you couldn't know a thousand people. If you go through your phone, Ocho, and everybody that's in your phone, and they're family members, you couldn't name a thousand people. That's amazing.

I definitely can't, because I know how many contacts I have on my phone. I only have 47 contacts in my phone. Yes. A thousand? I ain't even got to a hundred yet. He's definitely saying it, but. Cuffcake Mama says,

Shana, what you know about Monk's Corner in Summerville, South Carolina? I used to be a deputy chef in that area. Well, uh, I played with some guys in NFL that were from, my brother's in Columbia. So obviously, Monk's Corner down there in Charleston, near the Charleston area.

Some of you had a very good football program. So I know a little something, cupcake mama, little something. Lamar Robinson, Uncle Nocho, what is your opinion? Who's the goat of action movie stars? Love the show. Ooh, action movie. That's a good one. May it's so Harrison Ford, Tom Cruise.

Liam Nielsen. Nah, he ain't got no resume. He ain't got no lot like them. Hey, man, you remember Raiders of the Lost Ark? What you know about? Indiana Jones? Indiana Jones. Oh, that's the original. Tom Cruise, Mission Impossible. Top Gun. Tom Cruise, Top Tom Cruise.

Who else you like? Jackie Chan. The Prismation Impossible Top Gun Top Con Cruise Actually, who else you like Jackie Chan? Okay, what about what about the other? The other Asian guy who does the karate Lee? Oh gently gently Action movies man. That's a good one. They're old. Joe man. Come on, which one? action stars It's so many and matter of fact the fact that they mentioned it right now and I in it can't yeah Oh Joe man, which one? Action stars It's so many and matter of fact the fact that they mentioned it right now and I in it can't yeah I'm not thinking those are two first came Harrison Ford and Tom Cruise came right away. Oh, what about Arnold Schwarzenegger? Oh

Stallone terminator predator Sylvester Stallone. Yeah. Oh, yeah, most definitely most definitely Trying to think of other action movies. Who y'all like, chat? Man, that's a good question. Yeah. Man, that's a good question. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball,

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Steven Garcia, what's up, guys? I get a birthday shout out 26 years young today. Shout out, I'm here with a question for you guys. What's on your Christmas wish list? Happy birthday Steven. Thank you, bro Hopefully you did something really fun today, you know, you tell me you know you will so hopefully you shook the covers full dark Yeah, that what I'm hoping. Yeah

Man, man You Yeah, everybody's shaking the cupboards, man. Damn. Except you. You shake the cup and make it up your bed. Hey, listen, I'm on a spiritual journey right now. I'm okay. God got me too. God got you. You too what? Don't worry about me.

Hey, I'm with you until you back doing what you do. Right. I took a sabbatical also. We in this together. Haha, you my dog. That's what I'm talking about. You my dog, man. Hey, I took a sabbatical also. We in this together. Haha, you my dog. That's what I'm talking about. You my dog, man.

Hey, yeah, a thousand percent. Yeah, we in this together. Yeah, yeah. What's on your Christmas wishlist, Coachell? Hey, listen, honestly, my Christmas wishlist is the same as always. Anybody in the chat that wants to send me anything, I'm not sure if I'm gonna get anything for the holidays

due to unfortunate circumstances, but I want white tees. You hear me, chat? I want white tees from Target or Walmart, Hanes, 10-pack, size medium, because when I wear medium, it make me look bigger than I normally am. Ain't nobody wearing a medium 200 pounds. I'm it when I wear medium and maybe look bigger than that than I normally am Hey, nobody wearing a medium 200 pounds. I'm just throwing it out there. Anyway, let me finish. Let me finish They asked what I want for Christmas white tees

Hanes Target of Walmart tank tops Hanes Medium again because it makes me look real big when I put it on it make me look like I'm really rocked up medium boom Hanes underwear. I wear large. I wear large briefs Briefs not the tighty whities. I like the briefs that come down to right above the knee and boom if you want to really I like socks If you know, oh you can go on Amazon they call Hugh Hugh slouch socks I like those in white so you can give me some of those. They come in a three pack. You can get a pack of 10. You get a nice little bundle on Amazon.

I like those. I want some all white ones and I want some all black ones. So that's what I would want for Christmas. My stuff is easy. My stuff is easy and that's what I want. So anybody in the chat feel free. I gave you my sizes. Hugh. I want an Hermes tote. A what? Hermes. I'm talking about stuff from Walmart and Target. You talking about an Hermes tote. Yeah, I don't know what y'all, that's what you wanted.

Shit, I ain't say, oh, excuse me. I ain't say I wanted that. Right, what? Hey, Hermes, Hermes is like, like the orange bag you had, like one of those those yeah, yeah, yeah, but big one. Oh I got a black. Oh, hold on a tote. I got I got the black one Yeah, although let me get the the one like Floyd Mayweather be getting. Oh, you know the one for me was yeah. Yeah Oh, I got the black one like that. I'm gonna show you I'm gonna show you what I'm when I get back home on Thursday

On Thursday show I got the black one like that. I'm gonna show you when I get back home. On Thursday's show, I got the black one. You got a big one like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I use it on the trip for New Year's when I go to the Bahamas. Yeah. I'm pretty sure I'll tell you right now, Ocho. Yeah, I'm gonna get it too. Which one? What color? I just got the plain black with the silver buckles. Oh, and pick up the yellow. I'm not gonna talk about this.

No, hell no. Oh yeah, that's the one. I got the same one, huh? Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna show you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You get that, get that, get that, get that, get that. That's gonna be a good one.

Are you gonna use it though? Yeah. I'm a what you call him? It's gotta be. I'm gonna have to sneaky get it. That's something I gotta sneak and get it that's something I got I got a sneak and get it cuz you know the financial people say I don't spend enough money this year so okay okay okay I got a I got a skim a little something off the top right right right right right well shoot I see that three thousand I owe you so you can get it

you're not a help it did I could just forge it and say, nah, what happened was he owed me a little extra, so he sent me 30. Oh man, that's funny. That hawk. It's a hawk. It's called a hawk. Yeah, I'm gonna get it too. Should I get, should I get brown or should I get, should I get brown?

I'm gonna get brown. I'm gonna get brown. I'm gonna get brown. I'm gonna get brown. I'm gonna get brown. I'm gonna get brown. I'm gonna get brown. I'm gonna get brown.

I'm gonna get brown. I'm gonna get brown. I'm gonna get brown. I'm gonna get brown. I'm gonna get brown. I'm gonna get brown. I'm gonna get brown or should I get, oh lord. Listen, you can get more wears out of black, especially with something that costs that much. Now, if you had Juan Soto type money, I say get brown or get other colors. But normally when you- If I had Juan Soto type money, I'm going to get that one like Floyd Mayweather guy. The Himalayan?

Yeah, that Cognac Crock one. The Himalayan? Yeah, man. That's different, boy. That's different. Yeah, I ain't got that kind of money though, so. I mean, listen, I can loan you something to get you one. Nah, I'm gonna need it back.

Nah. Nah, I'm gonna need it back. Nah. Nah, I'm good. I'm good. I don't need it. Okay, okay. Well, actually, if you talk about things you don't need, you don't need that one either, the one you finna get for Christmas.

Man, can I live, Ocho? I've been working hard. Listen, I've been letting you live. I've been letting you live for a long time, but there's some things that you need to just say you need to be able to look at. Do I really need this bag? No, actually I don't. There are other bags that look like that that can give you the same feel as if it's a hermit. No, I don't. Huh? No, I don't.

Yeah, I do. I can get you that same tote bag like that from Tumi. From Tumi, you get it for $200, you know? Woo! I gotta save up for that. How much is it? It's only 13, ain't it? Oh, that crocodile one? That crocodile, no, that crocodile 365, ain't it? 365?

Y'all know I ain't gettin' that one, oh hell no. No, it's like 45, 50. Yeah, to me, to me, I got to me. But to me is cheap, man. What you talking about? You get to get your little toe for $300. Oh yeah. This is a 50, it's a crocodile. How much is it? 120. Oh, let me tell you that's 130

I put that down put my phone down. Oh, wait, how much was it? 130 That ain't nothing man. So come on for you for you Come on big money. Come on 130 you just told us now long ago 340 340 thousand was no on. What? 130, you just told us not long ago, 340,000 wasn't no money, remember? I told you, CJ, you go, CJ, you changed it. I said, that's not no money if you're trying to talk about it last you a lifetime.

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. That's the money, yeah. But if I gave you 340, could you live the rest of your life off of $340,000? Me? Hell no, yes, you. If I had to, yes. I just live way below my means, like I ain't got shit.

Hey, no. Lady Ray, lady, I'm surprised you, hold on, oh, it's a Tuesday, so she ain't at the bar. Ain't no bars open on Tuesday night. But it's the weekend, Saturday, we never hear from you, lady. Or Thursday. Hey guys, since it's the middle of the holiday season, what's your favorite holiday tradition?

Or if you don't have one, is there one you like to start? Tradition, I mean, it's the same. I wouldn't even consider a tradition. It's family time, it's the holidays, you know? Yep. My favorite, my favorite? Christmas music, man.

Christmas music, it's something about that Nat King Cole, you know that Mariah Carey Jackson five Christmas albums. Sam Smith, who I think might have been in 2014, he released a Christmas album and just thought it's Frank Sinatra has a Christmas album. I just love hearing that music, man. Having all the kids home from college, having everybody up on the one roof. Yeah, that's what I miss. That's awesome.

I miss that when we were growing up and everybody, all my cousins and my uncles and aunts would come over to my grandmother's house in the afternoon. And you know, I miss that. I mean, we hadn't had that I mean I hadn't had to spend around my I can't I'm trying to think the last time that all my family was together for like Christmas it's probably been I don't know Joe in a minute I'm it ain't big yeah oh yeah cuz you know you play

sports you're not you know you're not really around I mean sometimes you know sometimes I get the kids and sometimes the mom had the kids. If I got them for Thanksgiving, the mom was getting them for Christmas. If I got them for Christmas, the mom was getting them for Thanksgiving. So, but I'm saying like all my family, I mean, you'd probably be talking about 30, 40 years, Ocho. Damn. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, early in my career, my mom would come for Christmas for Christmas like she like I'm going to see my baby for Christmas She wouldn't go to my mom's and you know, sometimes my sister my sister came a couple times But after that they're like you'll be grown as you you you you you you you you big enough to be by yourself right, so, you know and I understood cuz I rather than be with granny than come out there and And get on my nerves and talk about having me running up and down the road, getting stuff to eat.

What you got? You ain't got nothing to eat. Go get me this, go get me that. Like I was Uber way before Uber. I was DoorDash way before DoorDash. Nobody wanted the same thing. I gotta go stop by this place and go way across town and get that.

Y'all ain't got no soul food? No, ain't nothing close by. So I would like, you you know that was my tradition the family getting together and so uh. That family dynamic every and ever since um I've tried my best to keep it going as far as family tradition is concerned you know having all the kids there, ever since grandma passed away, ever since my mom passed away. It's just- It's hard to keep those traditions together, man.

Not the same, huh? It ain't. It ain't. It ain't the same, especially once my grandma passed, man. And you know, she was, you know, the one- She was the glue that held it all together. That held it all together. So once that foundation, once that foundation cracked, it ain't been the same yet and I've been trying to

start to start that up again. It's hard it ain't the same. It ain't the same boy. It's hard. It's really tough. I know you know because you know that was the thing and you know I remember when my grandmother passed that was the last time that all of us had gotten together. Right. And my grandmother passed in 2011. So all my cousins, my aunts and uncles, that was the last time they're like, well, you know, my sister is the oldest

on that side of the family. And it's like, maybe you oughta started back. That we're the one and not the other. Yeah, that's a lot of- My sister, see, here's the thing, people don't know, my sister's more antisocial than I am. Right. She don't do nothing.

Church and back home. That's it. Live what you do today. Well, I went round the block, I took a ride out to the country, came back, and pulled my car in the garage, and let the garage down in my house watching TV. That's what she do. That's what you do.

That's what you do, Ocho. Yeah. So, JR said, oh, watch collection is insane. I see those different dials. What's your favorite watch brand? I kind of have some, you know, I like a Patek I like AP Roli I'm probably gonna look at a little good FP Jordan. I Mean I like watches. I don't I mean I just basically have Rolexes

APs and Pateks. I don't have a Vacheron. I don't have a Peugeot. I don't have a P join You know, I used to have Frank Mueller, right? But it's just the three the three big guns But I got my eye on something. I'm waiting what waiting cuz well it's hard to get those off catalogs because you know, I've catalog is something that only they're they're they're they're People that have spent X amount of dollars with them So it's not like they're going to offer it to me. And so so I'm trying to build up my collection and it's not easy

because a lot of times, you know, they want you to buy, you know, 10 stuff that and you still this you're still not assured of being able to get it. Right. So it is what it is. I'll pick and choose and sometimes you have to pay over retail. You just have to pay over retail. It's just like a car. Sometimes Ocho, you can't get on a list for a car and somebody has a car and you got to pay,

you know, over sticker to get it. Yeah. It is what it is. Yeah. That concludes this edition of Nightcap. Thank you guys for joining us. I'm your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp. He is Liberty City's own bingo ring of fame honoree,

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Joe Burrow, 363 yards, three touchdowns. He played phenomenal. He played a phenomenal game and They won Dallas had an opportunity but pump was blocked and you got a guy trying to be a hero and run it back He muffed it bubble recovery by the Bengals They go down the field drive scored the game winning touchdown and they win moved to five and eight five and eight Keep their milk chance playoff hopes alive, 2% as they win 27-20. Jamar Chase 14 catches 177 yard two scores. Jamar was sensational as was Burrow. And hey,

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