Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Justin Jefferson smack talk, Derrick Rose retires, LeBron trash talks Bronny

Episode Date: September 27, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson discuss Jefferson Jefferson and Jaire Alexander beef and reflect on how times have changed since their days in the NFL and you can't get away with the same stuff. Later, Unc and Ocho react to the former MVP Derrick Rose retiring, LeBron James talking trash to his son Bronny James and much more!04:00 - Fields says Steelers coaches are better07:50 - Justin Jefferson on Jaire Alexander13:10 - UNLV NIL20:00 - Texas QB starter21:13 - Derrick Rose retires26:41 - Rob Pelinka said LBJ was trash talking Bronny30:04 - Que and Ayeeee(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm surprised he hasn't, he isn't an offensive line coach for somebody. Maybe that's not what he wants to do because he's as good as anybody. Oh yeah. And teaching linemen because a lot of alignment go work would be willing to offseason and One of the best right on the ever Yeah, yeah, and so I think he I think he would somebody would be very very lucky to have him as a

Offensive line coach. What's up, big Willie? I know you'd be watching from time to time, you know, you've been coach. What's up Big Willie? I know you be watching from time to time. You know, you been, um, we DM each other, Twitter, IG sometimes. So the big homie, I'm always, I'm always pulling for the Georgia. Oh Joe, Justin Fields said the Steelers coaching staff is significantly better than Bears coaching staff. Oh, don't do that. He was asked by teammate Cameron Hayward on Not Just Football podcast. Let's take a listen to what Justin had to say. Oh, do I like that? Justin coaching Pittsburgh or Chicago. That was it.

Come on. Yeah. I mean, I mean, listen, we talk about the Steelers. Yeah. We talk about, we talk about the Steelers historic organization, five, six super bowls, a history of winning. It's a winning franchise. No disrespect to the Bears, but obviously, you know, the coaching is going to be different. Everybody under Mike, Mike Tom and Tutelage, you know, Arthur Smith, understanding,

playing to your players strengths. Yeah. Not trying to make them do too much. Having him do what he's actually good at. You know, and that's exactly what he's doing. He's not turning the goddamn ball over. Number one thing, things going 40 and 38 goddamn points. They doing just enough, not turning the ball over, then playing crazy goddamn defense. Yeah, you are. Boy, that goddamn defense over there nice boy. Here's the thing. Ocho, when you get one of these young quarterbacks, who you gonna have to coach it?

Cliff Kingsbury. Yes, sir. Coach, coaches Jane Daniels. The one thing you might say he's not a good head coach. The one thing that you can't say that he's not a might say, he's not a good head coach. The one thing that you can't say that he's not a good OC. He's not a good quarterback coach. He had Johnny Manziel in Texas, saying that when he won the Heisman, he had Patrick Mahomes, he had Kyler Murray.

You look at the guys and look at them. Kyler was a rookie of the year. Johnny Manziel won the Heisman. Patrick Mahomes threw for damn near 800 yards in the game. Right. Ended up going number 10 overall. Right. So he can coach the position. You had Justin Fields and I don't know if they had the right coaches in place and see because they didn't have the right coaches in place, Justin turned the ball over. He could turn the ball over. Why? Because he knew they didn't have anybody that was going to come in. He knows now if he turns the ball over, he's taking his ass to the bench because Russ going

to come in. Yeah. So he's a lot more careful with the football. They put him in situations where he can be a lot more careful because they don't need him to be great. Yeah. Chicago needed him to be great. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So now I don't need to be a hero. I can live. Hey, I ain't got to strain myself. I ain't got to blow out my back trying to lift 400 pounds I can lift this 135 Every once in a while, you know, hey, I added another quarter on there. It hit 185 But all I need to do is not put the ball in harm's way Yeah, and the Steelers do with the way they play defense. They're gonna build a lot of games

Not a question is oh oh, Joe, if they fall behind. Yeah. Yeah. But that that that style, can you survive that that style running the football three yards here, four yards there, throwing the ball. But yeah, I think the thing is the thing, the mistake that teams make is that when they get a quarterback and they draft him high. Right. Damn the head coach. You who can coach him? that teams make is that when they get a quarterback and they draft him high,

right. Damn the head coach. You who gonna coach him? That's what I need to know. Right. Who is coaching him? Cause that's the difference. The person that's in his ear, the person that's in the meeting room, the person that when we call him plays and I ask you what you like That's the guy right and he needs to be an expert on that level, but I'm happy I'm happy He found the home. I thought he would have been great Atlanta Atlanta went another direction, but hey, I'm happy for Justin field Justin Jefferson Packers DB Jai Alexander. Oh Joe. let's take a listen to what he had to say.

I didn't really care if he played or not last year. I was just more focused on it you know of course during that time we were fighting to get back into the playoffs and to make our life you know that's that's something that I was looking forward to uh i really don't care about the matchup honestly uh i feel like he cares more than i do but i mean it is what it is uh that's that's every team what are you making with comments man he can go at him he can go at him he should he should have said i'm gonna go at his head. Like I need that Odell Thurman, Josh Norman, Marshawn Latimore, Mike Evans. Odell Thurman, Odell Beckham. I'm talking about Odell Thurman. I'm talking about Odell Beckham, Josh Norman. Who the hell is Odell Thurman? Yeah, I'm tripping. I'm tripping. I'm tripping. After my dog, he played with

me in Cincinnati. You know Odell Thurman went to'm trippin', I'm trippin', I'm trippin'. That's my dog, he played with me in Cincinnati. You know Odell Thurman with the Georgian. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I need that type of energy, man. Make the games exciting. Packers playin' the Vikings. I need Jair to say something. Man, I'm finna lock yo ass up.

Or I need- But that's not his style though. That's not Justin Jefferson's style. I up or I need but that's not his style though that's not just the Jefferson style I know I know it's understandable but it just makes it makes it more entertaining and exciting for the fans getting ready to watch the game yeah I mean I mean for me for me I'm gonna watch anyway but I'm just saying for sure it'd be good to have that little bulletin board material you know to add a little uh add a little spice to it, little spice to the game. But Justin Jefferson was politically correct just then. I ain't on like that side of my own, like the PC Justin Jefferson, but

that's, that's who he is, man. He, he like us. I mean, that's go talk. Oh, he, Hey, listen, he had talked to your name. Probably, probably not, probably not through the, you know, through the media, but on that field, he'd be, he'll talk to you now probably probably not probably not through the no through the media But on that field he'd be he'd be out there chirping Mm-hmm, but it's a it's a whole different ball game to talk that trash before a game start and then you got you got to go Into the game. You got to back that you got to back it up. Yeah, that's a whole different ballgame

Then look here whether I said anything or I talked a lot, they still gonna kick the ball off at 2.05 on Sunday. But it ain't, it ain't. You know I'm coming. They know I'm coming. Yeah, I know I'm coming. Yeah. Okay, what you got? But you don't understand how, dog, remember Michael Crabtree and Richard Sherman going at it? Oh, that was, oh no, you mean, you mean, what you call, oh, we hear me, and what you call them? Who? Keem Tlaib. Oh yeah. You remember Crabtree and Tlaib? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know, Keem, Keem, stay on one. Yeah, they were going at it. Man, anytime Marshawn Lattimore and Mike Evans play,

or, I mean, just that, that, that Odell Beckham and that Josh, Josh Norman, those were so exciting. Baby, I mean, they were so exciting because they was going, I'm talking about all out war. It's still football, you know, a little extra-curricular activity, something, you know, here and there. But man, I love watching the boys go at it, man. Oh, yeah.

And I think that it's different now to Ocho. They don't let you play like that. They don't let the intimidation factor. They don't let the physicality because you can't get physical no more. They go throw flags. Yeah. Yeah, because because back then, I mean, they would let us talk. Now, the first time you say something, the referee running to get in the skinny ass in front of back back up Catch a bowl. Oh

Man, it's a different time now. Oh Joe is It's a different time. They want to keep it. I mean I did I Were there some players that didn't didn't like each other? Yeah I mean, I did I. Were there some players that didn't didn't like each other? Yeah. Yeah. But you know what? We just kept it on the field. But we didn't travel like these guys travel and be all together like that. Yeah. We we weren't going to no white parties and we weren't going to know,

you know, going to those fights together. The way I like it. Yeah. Yeah. It was different think it was different. These guys different now. These guys cool for the most part. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, come to Vegas and I see guys at the fight, especially, you know, once the season's over.

But you see all you see 30, 40, 50 football players. Yeah. And they put the most part, they're cool. And I like that. I'm cool with that. Yeah. But oh, we cool off. But on the field. Yeah.

I got something for you every time I got you. I got your address. Oh yeah. For sure. I'm gonna make sure I'm gonna make sure this package be there right on time like Amazon. Yeah. Oh, I'm gonna give it to you plus shipping the handling because I got to make sure you it. You know, I'm saying all the way out of work. No, it got lost. No, I put that direct address on it and I paid for early for early delivery. I wanted

to do it by 1030. So that way we came to two o'clock. I had some for you. You got you gonna get it. Oh Joe, big news of the the week former UNLV starting quarterback Matthew Saluka Left the team because the university failed to make good on a promise payment of $100,000 Yeah, according to his father and agents Luca announced that he would be using his red shirt year and leaving the program because of Representation that was made to him which was not upheld after I enrolled This comes after he led UNLV to their first 3-0 start. If I'm not mistaken, I think Randall Cunningham was the quarterback the last time

they had a 3-1 start. Randall also was the quarterback at UNLV and he also was the partner. I think Randall was like one of the top partners in the nation that you're also, you can check me out on that, Ash. But I think Randall was the quarterback at UNLV when they started 3-0.

that ass, but I think Randall was the quarterback at UNLV when they started 3-0. Man, they should have paid, they should have paid, buddy, man. Yeah! You can't go in there promising something and then don't stick to your promise. Matter of fact, he tripping anyway. If they promised you 100k, they should have at least dropped. They paid him 3,000 on 100k. That's it? Man, let me get half. Don't play with me. I know you got boosters. dropped. They paid in 3000 or 100k. That's it.

Man, let me get half. Don't play with me. I know you got boosters. UNLV, Vegas. Yeah. And let me get, man, throw me, throw, why me 50,000 before I even come in here? And if I don't come, I'll send your money back and give me the rest of the money before the season start. And we three and oh now and I'm one of the reasons why we three and oh, and you still playing my money, man, run me my cash, man. Stop playing with me. Yeah, man. Who, hold on, who want to be on the job? You don't promise me, man.

You, hey, you don't promise me. It's like, oh, no, I'm surprised. Look, I'm surprised more that happened. Happened to more players. I mean, you hear some players that have transferred because what was promised wasn't delivered. And so they leave and you know, I heard they were trying to work it out. I don't know how true that is. Oh, Joe, trying to get him some money, but I don't know if that's going to be enough. Some, some. Yeah, I need 50. I need 50. 50 I give you

another six games. Matter of fact, put inches on it too. Oh yeah. Yeah, put inches on it too. Stop playing with me man. Stop playing with my talk. Yeah, but y'all need to pay the man. Y'all done promised the man that. Y'all told him if he enroll, y'all give him 100 bands. Give that especially if he got it Right if you got it, right. Oh you good Yeah I need all that Every that was Randall to starting quarterback in 84 because Randall if I'm not mistaken Randall came out in 85

He's a second round pick in 85 went to Philly. Oh Oh 85 went to Philly. Oh, oh, you know what? Would ask you this right here. Oh, Joe, we asked you to. What happened? Who was the quarterback? Ramacan. You got it right. Hey, somebody. Who's the quarterback? Ramacunny, you got it, right? Hey somebody you know, oh Joe, you know what I like what I be saying stuff like this people actually think I have it on my pad

They don't realize I just be y'all do realize that I'm 56 and stuff that happened in the 80s and 90s Yeah, I'm old enough to remember I remember to now stuff that happened in the 80s and 90s. Yeah. I'm old enough to remember it. I remember too now. So, man, they be done Googling that stuff, all that track and field. No, they don't. When I'm having a conversation with Michael Johnson

and Norman and all those, I remember those. When I had, I just did the interview with Ronnie Coleman bodybuilding. Bro, do y'all know? I mean, clearly they didn't know. But I used to go to all the shows, Ocho. I went to the Olympia. I go to the Arnold Classic.

I went to the MPCs. I went to the Chicago, the pro shows. I used to go all the time. You know, Phil be watching us now. Phil Heath? Yeah, but Phil be locked in now. Phil be locked in. But I didn't see field compete

I had to but guys like flex Ronnie Chris premier All those guys Sean ray. I grew I grew, you know with those guys and seeing those guys Paul DeLette So, uh, I mean like like I said, I love sports I So, uh, I mean, like, like I said, I'm, I love sports. I love sports. I love talking about sports and there's not a whole lot of sports, you know, from sumo wrestling to bull riding to, you know, I'm brushing up on my formula one. Obviously I know who Max Vestephan is and I know who Hamilton is, you know. Um, and I know, uh, uh, Louis is leaving a Mercedes.

I think at the end of this year, going to Ferrari and the Red Wings team, the Red Bull team, it's, ugh, he killin'. But no, there's no, but like I said, I played with Randall. You know, I was with Randall in Baltimore. Randall's a great guy. His daughter is a high jumper. Vast day. great guy. His daughter, his daughter is a high jumper. Yeah. That's the his son was a high jumper. Also. I think he ended up clear like seven seven.

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This is the first SEC matchup as a member of the SEC. Sark said today, we're going to decide on the quarterback thing tomorrow. It won't be a secret, but we're not trying to pull the wool over anybody's eyes. Just want to give Quinn every opportunity to see if he's ready to play and what he looks like. Ocho, what you got?

I mean, listen to me, if Quinn is ready to go, if he's not healthy, if he's not 100 percent, you know, don't don't I wouldn't risk it. We still have a long season to go in the number one spot. I will let I will let little little Manning, little Manning play one more game. All right. Let's play one more game and make sure Quinn is ready to go the following week. No, no need to risk injury, no need to risk further injury. No need to risk another setback. You know,

you guys have this in Texas have some special right now. They got some special right now. You you're challenging Alabama and maybe Georgia, you know, winning that national championship. Don't don't play, especially not at the quarterback position. Do not play after 16 years in the NBA, former MVP point guard, Derek Rose is retiring from the league. Legend. The number one overall pick in 2008 NBA draft, the Chicago native Simeon High School made his mark for seven years with his hometown team. From rookie of the year to all star to the youngest MVP in league history. The first

three years of Rose career was unmatched, lifting Chicago to his best season since Jordan. His 36 point playoff debut in 2009 was electric as he took the defending champ, Boston Celtics, to a seven games, thrilling first round series. Ocho, what do you look when someone asks you, five years, 10 years from now, what is D-Roy's legacy? What are you gonna say? Listen, one of the greatest they ever played his game.

One of the most explosive, one of the most entertaining players I've ever seen, ever. You know, before injury, We talk about box office. I see TV before the injuries. Man, stop playing. You know, I only watch basketball like that until we started the show. So I'd be able to talk about it. So if I know if I know Prime D rolls before the injury and I only watch the game,

I would tune it in just to see Buddy play. Mm-hmm. When Jah Maran play on, before we started doing the show, I was watching because of the certain level of excitement that those individuals bring to the game. He was that athletic, he was that first true athletic. I'm talking about that could play above the rim. You got that later with Russ.

You got that later with Jah Maran. But D-R that could play above the rim. Yeah. You got that later with Russ. Yeah. You got that later with John Moran. But D Rose could play above the rim. Yeah. Oh, the span, the, the, the, the, the, the, the up and under. Yeah. The being able to finish. He was special. Um, I'm going to look back and say that what could have been, what could have been on Joe? Yeah. What, without the injuries? What could have been without the injury? Yeah, I mean, he I mean, the youngest MVP.

But those injuries robbed him of his explosiveness. And he did an unbelievable job playing more, but, you know, to hear the stories of what it took for him to get back, just to get back and just what it took for him just to go play the game, the, the two hours, the three hours of getting ready just to go play a game every 82. Uh, I'm, I'm, I'm happy that, uh, he was able to. Play as long as he did. Yeah. He wanted MVP. He's the youngest MVP,

but you always stay back like, damn. What could have been? How good, how special could he have been? Well, how do basketball enthusiasts, because he wasn't able to win a title. What do they rank him as is when it comes to the great player that have played this game? Well, I think I don't look he was of his generation. But I think when you go back and look at it, I don't I don't think they're going to, you know,

is he a top 50 player? No, there's too many. There's too many guys in front of him. He could have been absolutely right. Absolutely Absolutely Like I said, he he was that guy that brought in that athletic point guard the Russell Westbrook the John Moran Right guys that could play above the rim because before that all the guys they just passed the ball now Kevin Johnson could play above the rim. I don't know if you remember KJ play with the Phoenix Sun Yeah, yeah. Yeah K you remember KJ play with the Phoenix Suns. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

KJ, now KJ had ups. KJ had some crazy ups. I remember he dunked on Dream. But with that D-Rose, when he put it behind his head and dunked on Steve Nash, I don't know what was Nash. Yeah. I don't know what was Nash thinking. I don't know what he was thinking. But he should have never, never, never, ever left his feet on that.

We should have just, when he dumped it, just got the ball, take it out of bounds and bring it back. Yeah. That was Drogge. No, that was Drogge. That wasn't Nash. It was Goran Drogge that he dumped on. Ohrogge. That wasn't that. It was Goran Drogge that he dunked on.

Oh yeah, I definitely don't know what he was thinking. Oh, he thought he was gonna block it? Nah, absolutely not. And because did he forget that, he forgot that Derrick Rose is a two foot jumper. So he's like Dominique Wilkins, he jumps off both feet. You can't let him stop like that. You can't let him stop like that. You can't let him.

Oh no. I don't know what he was thinking. He'd have lost all his mind. Man, him and Rush got bounced out this world. Not to be that tall. Lou, what you think about Jock? Oh Jock, man, listen. Man, having watched him in person several times. Boys. Man, that look man, that joker got

them boys played. I mean that joker like he got springs in his feet. They play different. Yeah man. They different. Yeah, yeah. Very very explosive, you know taking people off the dribble, man, I'm just, man. Nasty, nasty work. I saw KJ a couple of Kevin Johnson a couple of weeks ago. Rob Pelinka said LeBron James was trash talking. Bronte, let's take a listen to what Rob had to say about this scrimmage, about this practice. Maybe the challenges on on Bronte when like in our pickup game, I think it was yesterday or two days ago,

he got switched on to LeBron, LeBron took him baseline and up and under off the glass and the words exchanged afterwards were probably more challenging than anything else. What if LeBron hit a baseline jump on and hit a jump on like, you can't F with me. Yeah, I mean, that's what's gonna happen. You know, all is fair. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Dad. Oh, I mean, I'm sorry, LeBron. Listen, all is fair in

love and war, especially once, once you touch that court. I'll bet you are not, you're not my son. Once we taught that, once we taught. No, I'm talking about Bronnie. Oh, Bronnie. Oh, man, he finna get that work every time. He finna, man, Bronnie going to get that work every time. Even man, Bronnie, finna get that work every time, you know, Bron don't play. But once you touch once you touch that hardwood, son of not you finna get that. You know, he's not definitely. Oh, yeah, for sure. And I could imagine, man, just thought I was going to dunk on my brother had he not moved out the way

in a pickup game game I definitely was. Letting it fly. What? Yeah. But he was smart enough to realize, nah. Got out the way. Yeah. I think that's gonna be.

I mean, can you imagine, Ocho, just imagine. You playing football. Right. You a wide receiver and your son a DB. Or you a DB and your son a wide receiver and your son a DB. Or you a DB and your son a wide receiver. That's dope. You a offensive lineman and your son a defensive lineman. Oh, that's dope.

And the funny thing- I don't know if it's possible in the NFL. No, no, it's a difficult feat. It's a difficult- You could probably do it, obviously you could do it in basketball. Yeah. Because LeBron, this is the first time.

You can do it in baseball. We saw Griffey Senior, Griffey Junior. You can do it in hockey, the H Griffey senior Griffey junior. You can do it in hockey, the halls, Brett and Bobby. Yeah. Uh, but not football. You can't, it's too filthy. You can't last long. You can't last.

I mean the last 24 years. Yeah. I mean, LeBron to play now, hell no. And like I said, you have to have a kid early on early enough. You have to pull this off. But the thing here with football, you got to go at least three years. Baseball, unless you come out the dreaded thing was Griffey was the number one overall pick. Right. And he didn't spend a whole lot of time in the minors.

So he rattled up. And maybe if he'd spent an extra time in the minor, it would have never happened. But I think the Rangers, they released him so he'd have an opportunity to play with his son with the Mariners. That's a lot. Because I think that's kinda how it happened. It wasn't like his dad was already on the Mariners.

I think he got released or something like that. I think it was the Rangers that did it. I remember having a conversation with Griffey a couple of years ago. I think that's what happened. Well, every time you mentioned baseball, I always think about my days when I was on, when I was with the Marlins in 97.

Well, that could have been a nice day. You know what happened? The Rangers, I think they traded him to the Mariners or they released him so he could go sign or something like that. But it was a way to go. Now it's time for one of my favorite segments of the day. Q and A. Q and A. Wait, what time is it? Almost 10 o'clock. You know, my flight six in the morning.

I got to wake this one up, pack her stuff. Man, it's hell over here, boy. Brandon the Hallerman said, I've been waiting on y'all since Tuesday. Your own words, two things can be true. Joe B played well against Washington and he lost their bra and played well in 18 finals, uh, when he dropped 50, dropped 51 and yes, no, who else? Oh Joe, what do you think?

Shout out Dublin, Georgia. What up Lawrence County? That's what's up. Right on 16. I used to stop at a McDonald's in Dublin and the VA hospital is also in Dublin. My grandfather was in the military. And so he always went to the VA hospital in Dublin. And so we would always stop in Dublin at that McDonald's right there.

That was also a drop off point. Me and my son's mom, she would like drive him halfway. She drive to Dublin. I would drive to pick him up and bring him home, bring him to my grandmother's house where my mom was in town. If she didn't stop it and pick him up. So yes, Brandon, two things can be true. Um, Brian did play well in the 18 finals. Um, but boy, I show with your Jr. Because I hate it, Brad. Let me tell you why I hate it.

Because we robbed of that great moment. Jr. lost track of the time. He thought they had a little this moment. We went like this. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And he didn't shoot the basketball.

But yeah, two things can absolutely be true. I think the difference is, is like LeBron. I don't know if LeBron could have played any better than what he played. But at the end, like the quarterback position is like. The red zone was the only issues that I had is that they went two for four and the other team went three for three. And you understand in situations like that, that how the game is going to shape out.

You're like, damn. Man, they just went that, that's a rookie. And they just went down there with ease and scored on us. Like, okay. Damn, he get it, they get it. Uh-oh. Oh, Joe, I got to get on my horse now. Yeah. Yeah. Kicking field goals is not going to be enough

because you see that your defense isn't holding up the par. Yeah. Yeah. Kicking field goals is not going to be enough because you see that your defense isn't holding up the par. Yeah. But you know what, Brandon, you're absolutely right. Brian did play well enough. But you know what? Just didn't get it done. Damn. Not that we will win that game. That was just one game. They were going to win the series. They were not beating go to state. They were not going to win the series. They were not beating go to state. Even if they won game one, they weren't beating them three more times. Yeah, it's very disappointing. I saw that spoon to reach the weather spoon. She was a WNBA player, unbelievable player. She got she got terminated today from Chicago sky.

I don't understand that decision. I don't know what they were expecting. Angel got got got injured, uh, late in the season. I, you know, look, I think it's a blessing and a curse because you know, sometimes you look at, well, Caitlin Clark got a team, bro. That's, that's different. You can't judge your, your team success by somebody else's success. Right. I can't look at me and say, well, because such as such did this, I'm a

failure their success is not indicative is not reflective on me oh Joe not at all I mean I like damn man Gronk was better than you okay Gronk is better than me Kelsey whomever you say but it doesn't minimize what I've done mm-hmm you right so I don't get I don't get that decision. I don't I don't understand that. I thought she was doing a great job. One year, I don't know what they expected. You expect them to be the number one seed, to beat the Aces, beat the Liberty.

I mean, I don't really know what you were expecting. What was the expectation when you gave her the job this year? What was the expectations? And I can assure you this year, what was the expectations? And I can assure you, she would have not left the New Orleans Pelicans in her role if she knew she was only gonna get one year to try to turn this thing around. Yes, that's messed up.

That's messed up. It is, it is. I don't get it. Sheridan Pope, you think the Aces will win another title ring this year. It's gonna be tough because they've got to go through the Liberty, the Liberty was the best team. They got a nice squad.

They got John Quayle Jones. They got Stewie, we know it's Stewie. Stewie might be the most accomplished collegiate women's basketball player in the history of the game. She won four national championships Ocho. She was four times most outstanding player. She was a multiple time national player of the year.

She's won two league MVP. She's finals MVP. She's she's won two gold medals, I think now. So she's one of the more accomplished. She might be the most accomplished collegiate women player. When you look at the totality of what she's been able to do and you got John Quayle Jones, who is a formal MVP. You got an escu who's who scored 39, 36 the other night.

Uh, the road is a lot more difficult. I just saw a call. You're, uh, Nafisha just hit 42. Right. They got the work cut out for it, but they got the team. Chelsea seems to be getting back. I just wish Chelsea great. Uh, the point God, I, but they got the team. Chelsea seems to be getting back. I just wish Chelsea great, the point gone. I just wish she was totally healthy.

Seemed like she's rounding her way back in cause she came in late. When I saw her, I saw her right before they got ready to take off for the Olympics. And hopefully because she's going to be the key. Asia, Asia is going to be Asia. Yeah. Oh wait. AP, Kelsey Plumb is going to be Kelsey Plumb, Jackie Young.

But they need Chelsea. They need Chelsea to give them that 12 to 15, nine, 10 dimes. And I think they'll be fine. But, you know, I think if she if she is if Chelsea can be consistent, right. Cause she, oh, she can ball. Don't let her play at the Olympics. Don't let that what you be.

Let's let that be the impression that she, you think she is. It's hard to get a rhythm because you try to play everybody. She was just coming back off a major injury because she missed almost half the WNBA season and to get a rhythm back. Now, next year, I expect to see the Chelsea Gray that I saw the previous year. That's what I expect to see.

But Asia, she gonna be sensational. She's gonna give you what she normally does. 25 to 30, uh, 10 to 13 rebounds. The assist, the steals, the block shot. The question is, um, can they make another threes KP? They got to do a great job of in their school cause she can let the three, they got two bigs. They got to keep John Quill and, and, and Stewie off the glass. But, uh, I'm excited. I'm excited to see this matchup. I'm excited to see this matchup.

Dippington McGee, what's up, Uncle Ocho? I was wondering if you guys had a favorite player route to run. Thank you guys for many hours of entertainment. Ocho, what was your favorite route? I write, I'm on the left. Two, two. Ocho was the X receiver. I was the X. Anything bump and run. Slam, hitches, well you know hitches can burn the fades.

Dig routes, curls. I ain't even care. I didn't even care. I didn't even care. My favorite is I hate, I mean office is easy, but I had such a level of comfort in man to man. I used to come out the huddle on sometimes. It used to be so funny. I had no mouthpiece and I called the dude up.

I'd be motioning for a man come up here and play press. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about whatever defense y'all and just come up on come on up here and press I don't know just the right the route combination matter I prefer to be by myself even if they doubled I didn't really care but I probably call more flanker drives to jet flanker drive it's come back I probably caught more flanker drives, two jet flanker drives, X comeback, I probably caught that route more. Maybe the stick. I love Tiger far cross. Solo right,

Tiger far cross. I mean look, I like getting down the field. That's what I like. All that little shore fishing, I was a deep sea fisherman. All that little shore fishing, all that was a deep sea fisherman. All that little short fish, but all that little short stuff, that shallow cross, that's fine.

I caught a bunch of shallow crosses, little stick route, what the defense call yogis. I caught that. Man, send me down the field. Let me get to the seams. Let me get to the far cross. Let me get that seven. That corner route?

Yeah. Now I did like when they call X open, they call, you know, they call it, you know, it called it called her, you know, why skinny Whoo? Yeah, I did all that. Oh, yeah. Oh, I've heard to come back run the dig run the dagger. Yeah, I did all that Yeah for sure. Oh, yeah See ya see you I seen you

Those were the days. Man, I don't even know I could run. I probably couldn't run. I probably couldn't run 10 yards. I ain't lying, I couldn't. Yeah. I ain't lying. I ain't in no hurry.

Hell nah. You're effing slow. I like it. You like that grocery store going somewhere. They move it. They close it They gonna be right there. Yeah I'm on for root. Hey, uh, Shay and oh Joe Chad She uh, Chad Johnson should be oh, yes being oh Oh, I'll be there in a minute. Oh your horses, baby. Yeah, yeah, I'm like,

I mean, they're the same people, the same person. So, but I guess I get what you're saying. I'm coming. Yeah. Just give me a minute, I'll be there. I got this, you got the chat, y'all got to understand. I actually, y'all think I be playing. I got 30 shem, 38 lem jobs.

Like literally. Yeah, you got a bunch of playing. I got 30 shem, 38 lem jobs. Like literally. Yeah, you got a bunch of them. I got a lot of them. And it's only six months out the year. So I got to take my time, man. I can't overdo it. Nah, you can't. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis,

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Go go. What what got me going today? He'll get me going tomorrow. Yep. Exactly. So that's a question you're going to have to always keep asking over and over and over because whatever answer they give you on Monday by the time you get to Friday is going to be some completely different.

Oh sure. Yeah Don't worry about it the same results gonna happen It's going down every time yeah that is I mean, you know, the thing is is that I like that They they they what what you like what you like doing? Yeah, I is. I mean, you know, the thing is that I like that. They they they what you like, what you like doing. You know, I do what I would. Well, hey, do what you do. Yeah. You know, I love it. Oh, we should have pulled it up because the guy was saying we're not.

Well, I sent you the story. We're going to have we're going to pull it on Sunday. Yeah, I'm going to send the ad. You will have it loaded up about the guy saying that when you fly girl out and you take home vacation. Oh, save it, save it, save it. That's a good one, that one.

Yeah. That's a good one. Oh, that's a good one. PV Farms said, would y'all rather erase your worst memory or relive the best one? Big shout out to y'all. Oh, erase my worst one. Damn that.

Yeah, erase the worst one, absolutely. Hell yeah. Bro, people don't believe when I say this, Ocho. The losses hurt more than the wins feel good. Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, I won three Super Bowls. The three Super Bowls that I won still does not bring the kind of pain and disappointment and sadness and anguish like losing the Jacksonville

in the division around the playoffs. And I won three Super Bowl. I won 12 playoff games in a row. Y'all lost the Mark Grunell. We did. Jimmy and Hakeena, Natron, Means. Fred T? Or Fred T?

No, Natron was there. Fred T came later, yeah. I played against Fred T, but Fred wasn't there. Natron, Means was the running back there. Well them boys was nice, boy. Oh, they were. And that's why when I heard Shaq Khan, the owner say, this is the most talented Jacksonville,

I said, man, you out your mind. And that is, that team that you got ain't even close. It ain't close to none of those teams. I'm like 95, 96 to like 2001. Not even close. So most talented? Yes. At what position?

None. None. None. The only team that don't know that Mr. Lee is a beauty. Not. None. None. None. Not a quarterback. You damn sure ain't any good at the receivers. Do they realize how good Jimmy and Kenan was?

I don't think, they probably don't. They probably don't. Okay. And then you had, you had Baseli. What lineman you got? Baseli's in the Hall of Fame. Had he not got injured, I don't know really people realize

how good but Sally was. Yeah, Tony was saying it with nice, but you were nice. Y'all don't know what I'm a racer. Get out of here. It's about we know what uncle race it. Y'all don't know that. But y'all close. But y'all close. Uh, uh, T.

On said, who's going to have a better game? Hurts or Stroud? Where is this game being played in Philly or Houston? And that's, that's, that's going to be a good one. But hey, listen, Stroud, they have a good game, but they can run the goddamn ball. They got damn Jalen Carter showed up last week. Why are you? I don't know. I don't know what the hell he ate before that game.

My goodness, but he was he was disruptive. If him and Jordan, if him and Jordan Davis get on the same page and figure it out right now, man. Oh, then I'm like, he's saying who's going to have the better game. Oh, Joe, he said who's going to have the better game. They're not playing. But who do you think? Oh, he said who's gonna have the better game. Oh Joe. He said who's gonna have the better game? They're not playing But who do you think Oh Texans play? Okay, the Texas play the Jags right Oh and the Eagles at home

I got I got the takes. Oh, I'm taking CJ Stroud. Yeah, I got it. I got back. Yeah I'm taking Stroud Boy Jackson Bay the Jackie bill, what's the guy that bit that D lineman and they took out of University of Georgia number one overall Probably kicking themselves of Aiden Hutchinson. He'd be kicking ass Balling boy. Yeah, Walker? Is it Kayvon Walker, no? Trayvon.

Trayvon Walker, yeah, yeah, yeah, Trayvon. Ocho, a lot of times you have to be careful because when you look at all those other first round picks and the guy just flashed when he's only playing 20 plays a game, now you're asking him to play 40 plays, 50 plays. Can he hold up? So you got Jordan Davis, got the lime the D lineman that went to Green Bay number one You got the Kobe Dean you

And all those guys right and so you like okay Bro, he a he ain't cutting it right now It's still early. He's early, but hey, he need to do we gotta keep come come on with it now Yeah, it's time., he's still early, but hey, he need to do, he gotta, he come on with it now. Yeah. It's time, it's time to show up. OKT, Ocho, what's your best memory with Chris Henry on or off the field?

Oh man, my best memory off the, my best, honestly, my best memory with Chris Henry, ain't even on the field. It's training camp during Ustream. I'm sure y'all could probably still pull that up. Man, me and Chris used to be on Ustream and training camp in a little dorm room. We used to be in Georgetown. Man, that's one of my best memories, man. But that's one of the few times I heard Chris talk. Chris don't really talk. You know, he was quiet, man. Chris is really quiet, man. That's one of my favorite memories man is, I know there has to be,

I don't know if y'all remember Ustream. I used to Ustream back in the day was it be equivalent to like going live on Instagrams. And man, I used to remember me and Chris used to sit there and stream on Ustream and that was so dope. And that was so dope. I wonder if I could probably find the videos again. I I mean if anybody in the chat can find those old videos man Just just post it to me on Twitter or maybe in my on my DM on instagrams

So I can see it again because I haven't seen it since then No, that's one of my favorite memories, man damn Stacks 448 say hey uncle notch. Okay, you shout out my girlfriend girlfriend Lily. She's a senior at GDub handling her beers She's also a choreographer. Can you wish her luck on her future endeavors? Also? Shout out Ocho We're birthday twins Lily your boyfriend stacks 448. I wish you it wants to give you a shout out That's it. Nothing more just to shout out cuz he's proud of you. He said, you handling business at GW. I'm assuming that's George Washington.

And she says you're also a choreographer. So hopefully whatever you have planned in your future, hopefully it works out and hopefully Stax, you stay beside her, you stand by her side and let her know she's always got somebody in her corner. So Lily from Uncan Ochoa at Nightcap, congratulations, giving you a shout out. All the best moving forward.

Yes, sir. Desire Thompson said, can you tell my fiancee happy birthday, Devonte? Devonte, your fiance says happy birthday. She's proud of you. And hopefully you guys have many, many more birthdays to share together. Let this be the final one Happy birthday, she's proud of you. And hopefully you guys have many, many more birthdays to share together.

Let this be the final one that you guys are not a couple, that you're not a union, that you're not man and wife, husband and wife. So I'm proud of you guys. Much love, much success, and keep us updated when the nuptials take place. Chop it up, Witty. Oh, I think Nightcap livestream of of you and Ocho give a live commentary

while watching NFL games will go crazy. Would y'all do it? I already like talking with the game on. I'll be talking crazy. I curse you damn much, man. That's why I don't be cursing, but I be I couldn't y'all know my patience. So Hey, I couldn't do no play by play. They had me goddamn booze man. I mean, man the fuck y'all. Oh shoot my bad Yeah, I couldn't do no play by play. Yeah, we could do it. Yeah, we could do it

I think there was like a couple of some opportunities But the right opportunity needs to come. Yeah Yeah, we could do it. I think there was like a couple of some opportunities, but the right opportunity needs to come. Yeah. Right opportunity comes. I think that's something we'll throw a hat into. Hey, can you imagine me and you calling the game on C.V. No, I don't want to call the game.

No, hell no. I just want to be watching it. Cause, you gotta study. I ain't trying to do no film study. I got enough on my plate. Right. Right. Right. With 40 with four shows of this taping one or two shows of club shake, shake and and first date and take your meetings.

Well, I take a lot of the meetings, but she gave me she gives me a synopsis. So summary. Right. No. So I do. I'll be watching the game on mute. I do. I do. I don't everybody hate it, but I watch TV like that. And can we watch the sound? I'm like, well, I'm going upstairs. You have TV to entertain a rule. I'm going upstairs because I don't want to hear bad guys. We want to thank you so much for joining us tonight. Thanks for staying up.

I know the game wasn't the greatest, but you know, I mean, but look, it's a game. I mean, it's football. It's NFL football. I know we wanted it to be entertaining and, you know, scored and, but hey, yeah, yeah. But hey, this is what you get. Yeah. Yeah. The Cowboys win 20 to 15 over the Giants move to two and two The Giants fall to one and three now they have ten days off the regroup any injury any bumps and bruises You got some extra time off. So they'll probably have Friday Saturday Sunday off come in Monday

extra time off. So they'll probably have Friday, Saturday, Sunday off. Come in Monday. Get some treatment, get some running in Ocho. You get Tuesday off and then you right back at it on Wednesday. Oh yeah. So congratulations to the Dallas Cowboys. They win 2015 over the Giants. Guys, thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. I am your favorite, don't shout and sharp. He's your favorite number 85, the route runner, extraordinary, Liberty City's own, the pro bowl, the all pro, the Cincinnati Bingo legend, ring of fame honoree, that's Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson, but you can just call him Ocho. Guys, make sure you go subscribe

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