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After the Lakers were bounced in five by the Wolves, injury news has been creeping out.
First, an MRI revealed that LeBron James suffered a grade two MCL sprain in his left knee
in the fourth quarter of game five.
The injury entails a three to five week
recommended recovery timeline.
Then it was reported that Austin Reeves
was dealing with a left big toe sprain during the playoffs,
was considered a two to four week injury,
but he gutted it out.
Reeves was reportedly not walking on it on days off
to try to get through the playoffs.
You know the internet is reacting
because it seems like every time LeBron lose,
they say, see, this is why he lost.
Rob, you're close to this situation.
I told Loto when they did it, I said,
they need a big.
I said, they only gonna go so far.
I said, because if Jackson Hayes
don't give you quality minutes,
now you gonna put him out and you ain't got nobody else
to put in there as a big.
You got LeBron or Ruwe playing the four and the five.
That's too small.
Way, way too small.
That's why you have to give Jackson Hayes a chance
in that series.
And it was weird when LeBron hit that guy.
I know everybody always wants to see LeBron had antics.
I watched his knee bend,
and that's how I strained my MCL
and was out just six weeks.
And you know, LeBron is, he's a, he's a alien
when it comes to that.
He doesn't get hurt.
And so people want to talk about that.
Let's, you know, but that team is just too small.
You think about all the teams you could have played,
you got a hold of the wrong one.
Right.
And Minnesota, you think about it,
they're just long, they're athletic, they're tough.
And then they pissed off.
They pissed off at Luca because he bounced him last year.
And so, one thing that coaches do, they learn,
if you watched how the Minnesota Timberwolves coached Luca,
they was like, no, don't switch.
We did that mistake last year,
put Go Brown and hits the three.
So we didn't switch this season.
And that's one of the things that, you know, they learned that from Boston too,
cause that's how Boston was able to, you know, beat the Dallas Marys because, you
know, we're not sweet.
So we came out best defender and I talked about that early, how lazy guys are now.
Man, it's not even a damn screen.
They try to fly over the screen.
Now they just pass it off.
It's like, why?
It's like, you have a damn screen. They don't even try to fly over the screen. Now they just pass it off. Yeah, they don't even, it's like why? It's like you're a better defender.
And I look at JJ, I'm like, in game four,
I'm like, Ant-Man out there cooking you,
and your best defender is on the freaking bench in Van Do.
Give him a chance.
At least he got four files, six files.
You gonna go in the hole, you gonna get up off the floor.
And so that's why I was looking at J.J. like,
dude, what are you doing?
I'm not even mad at J.J.
I'm mad at Nate and I'm mad at Scottie.
Cause you two head coaches are sat right over there
and let him do this dumb stuff.
Because you can think it's a reason that
that's the first time it was ever done to play off.
Yeah, they played it, yeah, but I'm in trouble.
You can't, I mean, you're asking him and I don't care how great you are.
And until now we debated this motion like, man, you got to get it done.
I said, yeah, the mind is willing, but the body just ain't able.
The man had just played 41 minutes a couple of nights before.
Now you running back 46 on 40 year old Olympics.
And then you put 40, 41 minutes on him in game five.
Yeah. And you know, what people forget is he's played more playoff games than
everybody so that's equivalent to like I think four seasons here so you got to
add four seasons on to the 20 seasons that he's played. The 22 seasons you mean? Yeah.
So you gotta think of that so that's it so that's why you got to find a way that you got Gabe Vinson over there who got NBA finals
experience give him some burn.
You know I think the biggest mistake that the Lakers made all season was not trying
to figure out how to implement Dawton Connect into the system.
You know you think about him that's a flame thrower over there.
You got to give him a chance.
You know you got you think about it you got you talk flamethrower over there. You gotta give him a chance. You know, you think about it.
You talk about scoring, but then you put Vando in there.
Who's the better shooter, Dog Connect?
Vando ain't looking at the rim unless it's a layup
or a wide open dunk.
But I think the thing is what J.J. Gato said
about Dog Connect, because he's defensive assignment.
He out there like a blind dog in a meat house.
Do I show him? Do I hedge?
Is it Luka and is't AR and so on?
But that's the thing. See, that's the problem with the Lakers. You get Luka getting beat
off the first dribble 90% of the time, AR getting beat off the second dribble, LeBron
can't sit in the chair at 40 anymore. So now you got three guys that are really, I mean,
LeBron will try to body you. I mean, yeah, he's going to chase it down. He's going to
make some great defensive plays
But when you got Luca and AR and you don't have no I mean when you had a D you had some help
Now you don't have a D. So now and Jackson Hayes, I mean sometimes hey
He's gonna give good lob threat who is getting off the rim, you know, get a rebound to put it back
But for the most part, you're not counting on him
to give you much anyway.
If we can steal 15, 20 minutes from Rob, we good.
We have to ace.
That's all we wanted.
You know, you think about, that's all you need
because people don't realize that the reason
the Mavericks were so good last year
is because those two bigs they had,
they was erasing all of Luka's mistakes.
They was erasing everybody.
Yeah, it's like, you go to the rack,
okay, you got them guys blocking shots.
And you know, so people forget how important certain bigs are
to the team because they can erase, like what AD did.
AD saved them so many times. And I think about when he played Denver last year you expect AD to do
everything like dude he can't guard some guys on the perimeter you know you and
so you think about Murray. Murray like okay I'm a really good shooter I'm gonna
separate from AD. Yeah let AD keep the defender on him let AD erase
mistake when he gets the hole. Right. And so there's so many little things like that.
And the reason that I would never want to coach or be an assistant coach because I'm like, dude,
I'm looking at my arrogance and be like, look, I don't play with three of the best centers in the world.
I don't want seven championships. You're gonna freaking tell me. I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.
So I don't be in every situation. There's a reason that I won seven championships. There's a reason that Dream respects me,
Shaq respects me, Tim respects me because I wasn't afraid to yell at them and tell
them what to do and put them in the right place in the right frame of mind.
And when you got guys that are like that, you're gonna be good, man. That's what I
like about the Celtics and that's what I like about the Cavs this year. That's
who I got winning all the Cavs.
I know y'all didn't ask for that, but I just threw that out there.
Hold on.
You got the Cavs to come out of the East?
I got the Cavs.
I got the Cavs winning it all, man.
I don't know about that, Ra.
They ain't beat none of the top teams.
They lost to Boston.
I think they beat Boston once, but I think they lost to OKC I think both times. Yep. But I'm not worried about it.
You know why?
Why?
Because playoffs is a different thing.
They're going to be able to focus on a team.
And in the playoffs you think about the OKC.
OKC gets a lot of their points high.
When Shay Gilders gets to the free throw line.
You don't get those free throws because you get the best refs
and they don't give you that BS that you get called
to go to the free throw line and shoot 12, 15 free throws.
So I think Cleveland this year,
because of the way they were playing
and those two bigs back there,
Allen and, they're primed for it, man.
Yeah, they're primed for it.
Boston can play two bigs with Presingleton Al Harper. You look at OK if you look at it, Boston can play two big with Presingleton Al Harper.
You look at OKC, you mentioned it.
They can play two bigs with Hardenstein and Chet Hongren.
It's the, and tonight we learned Houston can play two bigs
with Shengun and Adams.
Who knew?
Who knew that was possible?
Yeah.
But I just say, I think though, you know,
when you look at the totality of the thing
and the way fucking Spiders playing else, now, Spider really realizes that I need my teammates and he doesn't try
to just do it all on his own like an MJ, like Kobe did at times.
So he's reliant on his team.
I just think it's just...
And I really like the way Mowgli's playing right now.
He's killing it, man.
JJ Reddick said the Lakers have to get in championship shape.
There are individuals that were phenomenal,
that were in phenomenal shape.
There are certainly ones that could have been in better shape.
We've got to get in championship shape.
Rob, are you a fan of JJ publicly taking shots?
Because we know who he talking about.
Hey, first of all, what does JJ know about championship shape?
Has he ever won a championship?
I just want to know what is championship shape.
That's all I'm asking.
You know, do you know what championship shape is?
Because for me, when you talk about championship shape, that means you've been there, done
that.
And you talk about championship shape, that shit starts in the summertime,
then it goes into training camp,
and then that goes through in the season.
If you want someone in Championship Shake,
you don't take the last three games off
because you say, okay, I'm gonna get some rest.
You use those games to get in shape.
And so for me, I don't know why he said that
because you already think about,
look already in the point where he's all mentally
all screwed up because of the way Dallas got rid of him.
And he got a sign of extension.
He might take that as a shot at him, he out.
So you just don't know what he, why he said that.
You know, it's just the weirdest thing to me.
I think the thing, but it seems to me,
now you, like I said, Rob, you know basketball bodies
and you know you've been there.
But it seems to me every year, Luca wears down
and he's limping more and more in the playoffs.
We saw that this year.
We saw that last year against some of the teams
that was wondering, well, is Luca gonna play?
And we saw him in Boston.
It seemed like every year, his body wears down
once he gets to the playoffs.
Yeah, but you know what? You know know when you think about when Luca first got to
the Lakers, how they were humming. And you know what the difference was?
What's that? Luca wasn't howling the ball as much. You know if you think about the
last, let's think about this series here. He wanted the ball every time to bring it up.
And when you got tough defenders
Like Minnesota that's gonna wear to get out at you. Yeah, and so you got AR you got
LeBron you even got gave this to bring up go stand your ass in the corner
And so we take a break and for me I look at where he didn't know the plays and he was trying to get for me
They look so damn good because AR come down LeBron had come back
He'll come down and they was moving the basketball that was cutting. It was just playing basketball
This is a plan instinctively, but then I come down where he goes that that flow thing
he goes to the to the mid go to the high post and just
Drill with a clock out
Yeah, so and it gets to a point where you think about all the energy
LeBron had because he wasn't bringing the ball up.
Yes.
So sometimes you have to get off the ball.
And I don't think Luca can do that because that's the only
way he knows how to play.
And that's, so you took the words right out of my mouth.
You see, it's easy because LeBron can play off the ball.
You put him in the dumbest spot.
You put him in the high post. You can throw it to him, he can find somebody.
Luca needs the ball.
Luca can't play, Luca can't, his game hasn't evolved yet
to where he can play off the ball like LeBron can.
And I think this is what's gonna cause LeBron
to play another two more years, three more years,
because he's off the ball, and he doesn't have that burden
of bringing it up, having to run the set,
get everybody else involved. Now he's like, hey y'all got a look at AR let me
let me shoot some spot up threes put me in that dunking spot so I can get
baseline and lay it up a dunk it. Hey you know what I like to see him I like to
see him just take him to the post because he got so many post up moves he
can use because it's about moving quick I even put him in an elbow situation we
need to run some type of pinch post and let him go to work.
That's one, two dribbles to the hole he dunking on people.
Right.
You know, it's efficiency of movement to me.
When you get to a certain age, do I need to take three steps, four steps or five steps to be efficient?
No, I'm taking three because I mean, I can save two from later on.
Yeah.
And for me, that's what he has to learn how to do.
Like just go to the post.
You think about how long Tim Duncan play, You know he's a different type of player,
but LeBron has the ability to just, I'm just taking it to the post. I'm gonna jump hook you.
I'm gonna do my little buffet away. And that's all he has to do. He can still average about 24,
25 points like that because he's that much better than everybody else.
B.J. Park How many more years you think LeBron is realistically gonna play?
Because he said this every year they get out of the playoffs, like, I don't know how much longer I got.
And then he's like, hey, he seems to be like a guy.
He's gonna ride the train till the wheel falls off.
Yeah. You know, the funny thing about LeBron is he is such a big kid.
When you're young in heart and young in mind like that,
you can play a couple more years.
I think when I hit my 16th season, I feel like, oh, far.
I don't want to do it no more.
Mentally, I was strong. I was done.
And so for him, you think about how much you think when you watch him warm up.
I think every time I watch him, he's smiling, he's dancing every damn night.
And for me, I had nice one.
I'm like, dude, I don't even want to be out here right now because I'm hurt.
But he still has that love, that joy, that energy.
And you know, I think he probably gonna play
like maybe three more years.
You think he gonna make it to 25?
He gonna wait to see what Bryce gonna do.
He's the first guy to play with 2E2, his son's in the NBA.
So he gonna see what Bryce gonna do.
He definitely gonna look like he gonna set that record out there
and nobody gonna break it.
Yeah, you know, it's weird.
And nobody's gonna break those records, man. You know, the the only person can break a record like that is someone who's coming
straight out of high school maybe scoring and you think like the way that Luka scores but he ain't
gonna make it that damn long. Oh no. You think about who else could KD is not gonna make it that much
longer so nobody's ever gonna these records gonna be they're gonna be out of this world. Ocho you
think JJ should be taking a shot at Luca publicly?
I mean, I'm not sure if it was directed at Luca.
I think something like that should be kept in house.
What you talking about directed at?
Listen, especially something like that.
Me and Rob want to know who you think it was directed at.
It wasn't directed at Luca.
Yeah, I mean, you're right about that.
But listen, something like that you keep in house.
You hear me?
You hear me?
You were the future other Lakers and the head of head coach really taking a shot at you
publicly when you could have kept that in house.
And just talk, he could have talked about something else.
But I think he wanted to send a message.
He wanted to send a message and that's the way he felt he wanted to send it.
Yeah, I think at this point in time, I mean, it's gotta be, you see what happened and
they were talking about that.
Nico, look, we, everybody talked Nico, but that was a Nico call.
That was ownership call.
Yeah.
That Nico, that ain't Nico's money.
3.45 was not one penny was coming out of Nico's pocket.
They made that call and Nico obliged them and moved it and got you know could they have gotten a bigger package?
Yeah, but they didn't want it to get out because you start calling around teams and that get out. Oh boy
Yeah, it's gonna get back
Listen, I tell you what listen if JJ Reddick and anyone else in the Lakers organization, you know, miss bus
Brother Palinka and y'all got a problem with Luca not being in shape? Now listen, we got some good gyms down here in Miami.
We're getting together.
We're getting together in Miami now.
So think about that.
Luca, Giannis, and JaMarron.
Nah, that ain't gonna work.
We can take all of them.
We ain't having like NBA 2K.
You got three ball-dominated guys.
That ain't working.
Hey, you know, I trade Luca for a hero and Bam, give me number two, I'll give you Luca.
Okay, okay, okay.
Cause now I got me a big and I got me a shooter.
But you gonna keep AR?
AR and Hero basically the same guys.
Well, that's true, but the thing about AR is you can use him to get you something else.
You can put him out there for something else.
But what I love about AR is that how he's grown.
He's gotten better every single year.
And if I didn't tell you, if you didn't know, you would never know he was an undrafted free agent.
That's so true.
You know, the thing I like about AR is
he learns from his mistakes.
And the one thing that I think he gonna sit back,
and now that I know that his toe was hurt,
that he wasn't aggressive enough for me.
When AR is going downhill, he's such a good player.
But when he's trying to think he's shifty with the rock
and gets caught up and lose it, that's not the AR not the air I want to see. I think when you think about how many times when he
gets you, he just makes a direct line to the basket, pump face, you get your hand, gets the
end one. Like I don't even think he went to the free throw line the last two games because he
wasn't trying to get to the rack. I don't know because it had a lot to do with Minnesota's
defense because they're big and strong. You watch how Ant-Man was just bullying him up the top,
not letting him get to his position.
So for me, he's gonna have to learn
how to just keep it simple.
What I mean by that is I'm just gonna take one,
two dribbles, pull up.
I ain't always gotta get to the rack.
No, I gotta fake you, pump, fake you this and go this way.
And it's about, like I said, he's vicious on Luke
because if you're really thinking about AR, he's crafty, but he's not quick with it.
No, he's kind of like Luca. He's just kind of slow with it.
He can get off because the defense is moving faster than you are.
So that's how you have to get those files.
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They just tried to, they tried to send a message anywhere you can. If I'm Luca, I'll go get with LeBron and say, bro, what you do?
What you do?
Because I look, and I was talking like, I know they got-
Or get with you and say what you do at your age.
I would tell him, I say, you know what?
I know they got Slovenian food that's nutritious,
but see the problem is he ain't in Slovenia.
You know, you come to America and you try to eat native food,
we done added something to it.
It gets you out of the house over here.
Yeah.
Look at Luca his first couple years
when he got to the NBA.
And look how skinny he is.
And look, a lot of those European players, they don't have the bodies like
American players, they're not going to have the caps on their shoulders and
the definition.
Look at Jokic.
Look at Luca.
Look at Manu.
Look at Rozingas.
That's not how they're built.
But if you go back and look at Jokic when he first got in the league and how he looked now,
you could tell he put time in.
He said, man, I'm tired.
Hey, I ain't finna beat no fast lobby.
I'll be talking about me.
And now three MVPs and two run-ups later, the guy's one of the great, one of the historically great players of all time.
And that's because he made a concerted effort
to get his butt in the gym, to watch his nutrition,
to work, and to become what he became.
But I just think Luca just wears down,
because last year he had that same problem,
you know, he was dealing with a knee.
And a year before that he had some issues going on.
I just think, you know, and it's hard,
because the guy's giving you 28, eight and eight.
But, bro, I need you 100% for the playoff
too or it's close to it and I don't think he's nearly close to that especially with
this series here because he moved like an old man.
Hey but the thing about it is he did lose weight compared to when we first got on the
lake so he lost about 10 pounds, so 20 pounds.
So we gotta be thankful he's going in the right direction.
Yeah, we gotta go in the right direction.
I'm surprised given that knowing a lot of people
saying Luca, you know, hooka-luka,
and you know, he drank a beer and he partied
and he doesn't take it serious.
It's hard for me to say that he doesn't take it serious,
but do I think his conditioning could be better? Yes, absolutely. But I think he takes the game
serious. You don't get to be this good by not taking the game serious, but I do think
his conditioning and his nutrition can be more on point. Yeah, I think for me
when I watch Luca, you know, I think he should do a lot of agility work in the
summertime, working on his footwork,
working on his flexibility,
because a lot of his injuries are coming from just,
you know, not being, you can tell he's not a flexible guy.
No.
You know, he needs to do yoga,
a Pilates or something all summer.
And because when you watch him move sometimes,
he stays in front of people and he's so big body
that he bounce off. He just doesn't do it all the time. If he works on his footwork, he works on
his feet and agility, he can become a decent defender because he can do it. He
just don't want to. No. And the thing is that he's so good on the other end. That's
the problem. He's so great offensively. They're like, ah, we let somebody else. Hey, we'll do four on five
Y'all having that but don't even worry about it Luca because we see he get the man gave you a 60 20 triple double
He can give you a 40 point triple double or 50 point triple double
But uh, yeah, I was surprised but let me ask you this do you Nico, do you think Dallas was right about Luca but was wrong for the trade?
Oh, shh.
You know what, it's right about Luca because one of those questions you have to deep dive
into the franchise and get to know Luca and how his stuff, you know.
I always said when he came into the season, he always came in fluffy.
Yes. And he never came in shape.
And that's one of the things that you can tell, like when your back started hurting,
you know, you can go a couple years. Remember AD started the season, I was back with him
because he was fluffy. He wasn't in shape.
Yeah.
And then he got in shape, he played whatever the number game.
It's about what you do in the off season.
It's about what you do in condition wise and being prepared for the
ground of the regular season.
And I think with Nico, I agree when he said it wasn't his call because I
just think when Nico messed up, when he, the one line he messes with says, I
didn't know how important he was.
That's what, but other than that, you should just say, yo man, I know you
can't throw the owners under the bus.
And be like, yo, I think I'm doing what I'm told to do.
I work for someone just like a lot of you guys, dude.
But I understand where he was coming from
because if you really look at that team
and you look at what they had with the addition of AD,
I thought they had a position to do something scary
because Kyrie
Oh, you forget how good Kyrie is PJ Washington and then gabber you know, you got yeah
Yeah, but it was just it just no bad time. But I also think with me
You know, I love a DS one of my favorite players of all time
But I think a D moving to the floor making him soft And what I mean by that is I'm not saying physically,
because it's making him not be aggressive.
You watched him in the last couple of games,
the playing game, all he did was shoot threes.
And that dude, and you're so effective.
Think about when he was in New Orleans,
they gave him the pinch post he was doing,
spinning, dunking on people, shooting threes, setting you up.
But once he said he wanted to be,
I know he had boogie with him, but it was like, he didn't play the same way. He didn't shoot a lot of threes setting you up. But once he said he wanted to be, I know he had. Boogie.
Boogie with him.
But it was like, he didn't play the same way. He didn't shoot a lot of threes.
And so for me, it's making him soft in the sense that I'm going to, I'm going to
sell them.
When I say soft, I mean, sell it instead of like, going to the rack, trying to get
to the feet of the line.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Look, because Luca is so great, because, uh, he was so beloved. I I mean they drafted a kid. He was 18 when he got there
Yeah, I don't know. It's hard for me to believe Nico. You was a good marketing guy for Nike
You understand who does what and who moves the needle ain't nobody
You know exactly, you know what shape means the OKC. You know what Jason Taylor means to Boston.
You know what Jalen Brunson means to the Knicks.
And you talk about, and Jalen Brunson got traded
to the Knicks.
Shay got traded to OKC.
So you talk about a homegrown, Kobe, homegrown,
Trey LeBron in 25.
You're gonna look across the hallway
at what Dirk meant to that team.
HEHE.
HEHE.
So, I agree with you. I agree with you, Bob.
I don't know about that. I just say, yeah.
Hey, guys, we gonna move it on.
I mean, Lucas not here anymore. We got Anthony Davis.
We gonna add some more pieces. Kyrie got hurt.
That's what really made it look bad.
Kyrie got hurt.
So, hey, we get Kyrie.
They probably gonna try to make a run for KD because KD probably gonna be a father Phoenix and now they might be having a different story
August 2nd the Lakers can offer Luca a four-year
229 million dollar extension or
Luca could up
To sign a three-year 165 extension with a player option in 2028
to sign a three year 165 extension with a player option in 2028, which would then allow him to sign a max deal in 2028.
They gave him 35% of the salary cap for the next five seasons.
What you doing Rob?
You taking the four years at 229,
three years at 165 with a player option,
and then at 28, let me go and get that 420.
I'm taking the four years. options and then at 28 let me go get that $400.
I'm taking the four years.
You want that money, you want that guarantee, you want that guarantee.
I want that guarantee money now and deal with it then.
But think about it, so many guys in this day and age take the four years, hey I want to
renegotiate my contract, oh I want to be traded.
You know there's so many things you can do so I'm taking the four years cuz I'm a I
Don't I don't want to I don't want to trust my body right? You think about how many injuries he's gotten?
I had to have to go with the money now cuz you see IT what happened to him. You see what happened
So many guys who bet on themselves, right? And they body fell on them. So I'm taking the money
bet on themselves. Right.
Right.
And their body fell on them.
So I'm taking the money.
What you doing on Joe?
You taking the money or you going to play play side three years?
What it do with the option and then go to the table and say, let me get that five.
Let me get that five for a, you got five for 400 in there for me.
I mean, well, I'm going to take that three because I'm betting on my body and I'm only
betting on my body because I ain't ever been hurt
So probably I'm gonna play another three seasons not get hurt and go back to the table and hit him across the head
That's just me but understanding Luca and his injury history and it seemed I mean no disrespect in any way
It seemed like his body continued to deteriorate especially towards the end of the season
I'm expecting something like that to continue to happen because as you get older, it don't get better.
No.
It don't get better. So, you know, if I...
Unless you're LeBron.
Yeah, yeah. There you go.
But listen, what Luca can do, what Luca can do is he could take that three if he adapts and does everything LeBron does when it comes to taking care of your body.
Right.
Now then you could take that three and bet on yourself.
But what are the chances of him actually doing everything LeBron does
when it comes to taking your body and preparing yourself in the off season?
But, you know, I was we always say that you need to get with LeBron.
But, you know, we got to also think that, you know,
LeBron got great genetics, man.
You know, that we can just say, oh, you're giving LeBron a do.
That's like, we all listen going to gym,
she was a thousand jumpers.
You know, we do it for whole people.
Exactly.
If they know it's gonna come out this shoe like Steph Curry,
he come and shoot 10 a day, it's still gonna be better than that.
It's just, you know, just sometimes, you know,
the man above, God gives you talents.
God gives you the genetics.
And so you can tell Luca to do all that,
but if the body don't act right, the body don't act right.
LeBron says, it ain't my job to worry about Luca's future with the Lakers.
LeBron told ESPN, nope, that ain't my job. I don't think, I don't think.
I know Luca knows how he feels about, I feel about him.
And ultimately the trade happened for the future. That's not for me.
Luca has to decide what he has to do with his future.
He's 26 years old.
I'm 40.
So he can't be basing on his career off me.
That's just real.
But I hope obviously he stays long-term.
Laker fans effing love him here.
LA has accepted him.
We love him as a teammate, as a brother, but ultimately he's got
to make a decision for him-ish.
I ain't going around, I ain't going around, I ain't going to be around much longer.
LeBron is going to be out there another two, three years. Watch.
Yep.
Watch.
And you think about this, LeBron at, you know, at 60%, even 30% is probably better than half the league.
That's how good he is.
Yeah. And I think, you know, I think Luca, the things he's doing around the city so far,
you know, think about what just happened with the defacing of the Kobe
Murrow and he donating the money.
You know, I think he's trying to do exactly what he did in Dallas and let him
know that he wants to be a part of the community and do as much that he can say,
Hey, I know you guys are paying me a shit ton of money.
I'm just going to be here for you guys
and try to give back the best way I can.
So I feel like Luca, unless, you know,
the joker said, hey, let's play together,
he'll be in a lake of uniform.
I like it.
I think the joker's the only person that probably could get him to say, come on, let's go play the
gullet.
Per the athletic, people close to LeBron aren't ruling out the possibility of him finish his
career elsewhere.
Run back to the land.
If the Cavaliers don't make it to conference finals, could we see LeBron coming home one
last time?
One time, one more time to finish his career.
No, I don't see it.
He loved everything about LA.
Favalo loved everything about LA.
His daughter was in dance class here.
She got everything going on that way.
He, you know, he's really,
I think he's realizing the importance of, you know,
his kids and the direction they're going
and how much they're enjoying. he ain't going back to Cleveland.
Now he might go there and sign and say he retired.
Yeah, that one day contract.
Yeah, but I don't believe he goes back.
Go back and do what?
You playing with Luca?
You playing with Luca?
Go back and sit on the, you got to come off the bench.
I'm like, cause that starting, I'm like, yo man, we just want a chip.
You ain't smoothing us out the way.
I agree with you.
I don't see him growing back.
I mean, they keep saying that, but I think LeBron really loves the Lakers.
I really think he loves living in LA.
I think he loves all things LA.
The weather is nice year round.
He don't really have to have an overcoat.
You know, you can have a top down damn near year round.
You got water, you got beaches.
I mean, everything, his businesses are in LA.
There's really nothing for him not to like about LA.
And he's making a lot of movies, right?
Yeah.
And he's doing a lot of that stuff too.
Yep, his production company, yeah. Yeah, oh, that's going on. So he's in the lot of movies, right? And he's doing a lot of that stuff too. So that's- Yeah, production company, yeah.
Yeah, oh, that's going on.
So he's in the perfect place, you know?
And he's playing with the Lakers.
Yeah.
I mean, Shaq is really the only one
that I can remember that came here and left.
Kareem didn't leave, Wilt didn't leave,
Kobe didn't leave, Magic didn't leave.
Normally, normally when you get-
Shaq didn't wanna leave, he was just forced out. Who that? Shaq didn't wanna leave, he was just forced out.
Who that?
Shaq didn't wanna leave, he was just forced out.
Shaq wanted your money.
Yeah.
Hey, when I was in Laker, I didn't wanna leave either,
but I was forced out.
Some people don't wanna leave Lakers, man.
Yeah, but yeah, I agree.
I think, and plus, you know, the kids are here.
I mean, it's a short trek for him to go over
and shoot over to Arizona to see Bryce,
to go way back to Cleveland.
Zuri, his youngest daughter, his only daughter,
the youngest is in school here,
to uproot her and leave her friends.
I think Savannah has like carved out her own niche
here in LA.
Yeah, I just don't see it.
I mean, I know it sounds good.
I mean, hey, you know, those close to LeBron Ocho, I just don't see it. I know it sounds good. I mean, hey, you know, those close to LeBron Ocho,
I just don't see it though.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He ain't going nowhere.
What you thinking?
He'll be right here for a minute.
I say he ain't going nowhere.
Honestly, I know he kept his place in Ohio
and he can always jet back,
but I think California's gonna be his home base.
I think California is where he's going to reside.
When it's all said and done, LeBron James will be a California.
He's not a native, obviously.
He grew up in Akron, Ohio.
He played a lot of years in Cleveland.
But think about it.
He's going to almost double up the amount of time
that he played in Miami here in LA.
Yeah, most definitely.
I think it also is, I think it's too many moving parts.
There's too many moving parts in LA for him to go back to Akron.
Obviously having a place there, being that that's where you grew up,
he will still always have ties there.
But as far as from a business standpoint and everything that has gone on,
I'd assume it would make more sense, obviously, to stay here in LA.
Yeah, bigger market.
Yeah. I mean, but he's the type of guy that he don't really... He is the market. Yeah, I mean, but you know, he's the type of guy that he don't really do. He is the market. It's a lot more connections out here than it is in Cleveland.
You absolutely, because there's nothing that, there's nothing that in LA, you can't do in LA.
I mean, hey, pick up a phone. I don't think he wants to go back to that cold. I don't think
Savannah wants to go back to the cold. I don't think Savannah wants to go back to the cold.
I mean, once you get used to that warm weather, it's hard for you to go back.
If you live in Florida, if you live in LA,
if you live in some warm weather and say,
you know, yeah, I think I'm gonna go live in New York.
I wanna live in Philly.
I wanna live in Massachusetts.
Mm-mm, mm-mm, mm-mm.
Once them old bones get used to that warm weather,
I'm here for a long, long. I think once you step there in that cold, just hits you in the face one time, it's like,
nah, I'm good.
Yeah, I'm good.
Yeah, but I don't see him going back there either.
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SGL only being traded by the Clippers will on his mind if LA advances and play the thunder.
They did motivate me a long time ago.
I haven't thought about them in years though.
I can't hold, I guess you can say grudges forever in life.
What you think Rock?
When you got traded did you hold a grudge against anybody when you got traded?
No, because I knew it was just business. Rock when you got traded did you did you hold a grudge against anybody when you got traded?
No, because I knew it was just business, you know, I was mad at the Rocksman trading the terrible-ass Phoenix But other than that, hey, I was excited as hell with fetus trading me to the Lakers
So it was a no that was that was great for me
But I don't I don't I think when you you look at I think we he got getting traded
Okay, see was a better situation for him. Yes.
Because it wasn't, he wasn't going to be
the head of the snake.
No, never going to be Kawhi.
So he was never going to be able to flourish.
Yeah, so he put him in the perfect position.
He got those picks, he got guys that came in.
It was like a, you know, similar attitude,
similar to the way he is.
And he's been able to flourish because sometimes you,
guys can be great players
But they didn't get held back by having to play behind this player that player
So that was perfect him and he was able to show everybody like oh and everybody sitting back like damn clips fucked up
But you got a thing about us for Paul George and Paul George at the time was
NBA player. Mm-hmm. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay
What you gonna say, Ocho?
Now I was gonna say, I was gonna say,
even if he was there with Kawhi,
you're saying the SGA wouldn't be able to be who he was
just because he's paired with Kawhi?
Yeah, he gotta be the guy.
You see what happened?
You see what they did?
They got him and then they built around him.
They were looking to build around Kawhi.
He needs to ball him. They were looking to build around Kawhi. He needs to ball. Yeah. Yeah, because if you watch SGA, he has a lot of guys on
his team that love him and they know what the exact thing do and they sit back
and let him work. You know, when you think about Kawhi, Kawhi is a guy, you know, even
though you got James Harden over there, you don't never know what you're gonna get
out of James because sometimes sometimes James wanna shoot,
some games he doesn't.
But at the end of the day, it's Kawhi.
I think also that's why Paul George never really looked
that good as a clip load.
He did lose a pacer because he was deferring to Kawhi.
And we forget sometimes Kawhi is one of the best players
in this game when he's healthy. And so it's hard not to defer to Kawhi
It is and you know, Kawhi Kawhi got there and here's the thing
Kawhi said if you don't trade for Paul George, I'm going to the Lakers
The last thing the Clippers could have you can't have Anthony Davis LeBron James and Kawhi Leonard on one team in that building
Right while you're in the basement. So they had no choice.
So you do that and then you watch him
and you're like, well damn, what could have been?
But I don't know if SGA would have developed
into the player that he's become now, had he been there.
So he got an opportunity,
because the thing was is that you remember
Rob, Chris Paul was there.
Yep.
So he got an opportunity to learn how to play the position
from the point guard.
And
he took off and he had to look back and now he's, you know, you can make a case he's
top one top with best point guard in the league.
He and Luca, he and Luca battle out him, Luca and Steph, Casey's top one top with best point guard in the league.
He and Luca battle out, him, Luca and Steph, but it's hard to say, you go say there's another point guard
that's better than those three.
Whoever's won, it's out of those three.
Yeah.
Unless you consider Steph a point guard.
Yeah, Steph, Luca, and Shay.
Yeah.
I mean, I look at Steph more than the two.
Me personally, I look at Steph and James Harden as two guards. I look at the Steppes more as a two, me personally, I look at Steppes
and James Harden as two guards that, you know, that can pass. But I guess because you grew
weird, we grew up in an era where the point guard was Magic Johnson, the point guard was Isaiah
Thomas. So, you know, guys like that, they were true point guards. They weren't trying to go get
30, 40 or 50. These point guards, they try to light you up for 40 or 50.
They're just like, no, you play, I will give you the ball when I can't shoot
and you just be ready for me to kick it to you.
That's one thing. I only had a chance to play with Jason Kidd for two games
when I was in Phoenix.
Damn! You ain't even had no coffee.
I know. He had just got traded to us.
And the weird part is I look at my career, high school, college, I had never played with
a true point guard for that one moment.
You should have seen me.
Man, I was hitting the lanes, getting lifts, looking up the ball was right where I wanted
to catch it.
Man, I was like, and it goes to show you,
if you've got a point guard,
he's gonna make you so much better.
And J.Kiv, man, man, I was, there's two games, man,
I probably could have been all sorry.
You should have behaved yourself
and kept that towel around your neck.
Hey, I'll be only having two rings instead of seven then.
Ha ha ha.
Hey, you knew it damn well how to get up out of Phoenix, did you?
Oh yeah.
You know what the real problem was?
You know, Danny Ainge became the coach.
You know, Danny Ainge, I didn't like him from the moment I got there because...
Damn Rob, you didn't get a better chance!
No, you know, we had just finished a tough series against Phoenix.
Okay.
You remember the inbound play when he rares back and hits Mario in the face with the ball, point blank range?
Yes.
You know, Mario, my boy, me and Mario close.
And then we walking down, we get to Phoenix, we walking down the hall and Danny Ains says to Sam Cassell and I like,
you know I hit Mario in the face with the ball on purpose, right?
He act like it was a mistake.
I'm like, man, fuck you.
From that moment on, I never liked it.
Okay.
And he was just an assistant coach then.
And then when Cotton stepped down, he became the head coach.
And then from that moment on,
he was like, he didn't start me when we went back to Houston.
He didn't play me.
And then we traded away Michael Philly and AC Green
and said, well, you're gonna get more minutes.
My minutes went down.
And so I was hot, man.
I was like, because I was in, we was in Boston. I had just made it through, got're going to get more minutes. My minutes went down. And so I was hot, man. I was like, because I was in Boston.
I just made it three, got a dunk, got a steal.
And I look over, he subbed me in the first three minutes
of the game, I said, man, fuck you.
I was hot, man.
So I was hot.
So, hey, they were going to release me.
I was going to go back to Houston.
I'm like, okay, you're going to release me.
I'm going back to playing Houston.
But they cut, they sent me to Lakers and.
What better place to be? You're gonna release me. I'm going back to playing Houston, but they cut they they sent me to Lakers and Let me ask you a question have you seen Danny Agen have you had a conversation with Danny Agen since that moment?
No last conversation I had with Danny Agen was after he said oh we trading you to LA for
Serges Abbas and I probably just won you another championship. That's what he
said to me. That's the last conversation I had with him. He did. No plan to talk to him,
don't want to talk to him. Uh oh, oh Joe. Tonight's blockbuster boxing
card was supposed to be the end with an official announcement. Ryan Garcia
versus Devin Haney. The rematch October but Rolando, Rolly Romero ripped up that script.
Garcia lost in a stunner to Romero after an early knockdown.
Romero claimed the WBA, well-to-way title with an unanimous decision upset over Garcia
at the iconic Times Square in New York.
Ocho, what happened?
Yeah.
Man, listen, Ryan Garcia was supposed to win the fight. He done a lot of talking
Obviously we saw what he did to Devin Haney last time they fought he dominated Haney in that fight obviously testing for
An illegal substance whatever it may have been. I think if he wasn't on the substance
I think he still made him won that fight based on the way he looked but tonight they listen Ryan Garcia
If you're a betting man, Ryan Garcia was your favorite to win the fight tonight
against Rowley.
But listen, Ryan Garcia landed more punches,
but Romero getting a knockdown,
and obviously winning the fight,
and getting the decision, to me it was shocking.
It was shocking to me because Rowley has
somewhat of an awkward style of fighting,
and to me I think Ryan Garcia is the better pure boxer
And I thought he would he would probably win tonight, especially with that dangerous left hook that he has but it didn't go that way
They know it didn't go that way. Woli had a good fight
Now I think Woli now has a chance to actually fight Devin Haney
Yeah
And I think the rematch against Ryan Garcia is probably out the window because of this because of this
From Garcia, so I mean I'm excited. I'm excited and David Haney looked a little different tonight
He looked very cautious after what happened to him when he fought Ryan Garcia. He's very cautious
He won the fight. He was on his bicycle a lot
really counterpunching and
Throwing punches in his first and not not being the being the fighter he should be at this point in his career.
He won the fight, he didn't do it in the fashion
we like to see, especially if you're a boxing fan
like myself, so I really look forward to
to Rody Romero and Demi Haney getting in the ring.
All right, it's time for our last segment ofi Haney getting in the ring. All right.
It's time for our last segment of the evening.
It's time for Q and A.
Paula Schott called in 1999 says, question is, the real question is, can Rob
Palinka build a team around Luca?
Because he was good, he was in a good situation in Dallas when he left.
And Rob has shown he can't build a team.
Man, I said it this once and I'll say it again.
If Lucas stayed in Dallas,
we would have been back in the finals.
We had a great squad this year.
You think that's true?
That.
I personally don't think it's true
because I think you caught the light in the bottle
last year.
Yes.
And sometimes you think you go, you can do a repeat.
You know, you think about the way everybody on that team was playing.
Kyrie, PJ, you know, the bench was coming out playing exceptional.
I don't think they had the same amount of juice.
I think, you know, you, you think about Minnesota doesn't switch.
They go to the finals.
You know, that's that one possession right there.
And for me, I just don't think they had enough.
It's, it's, plus you look at the West,
the West was too damn good.
You're going to find someone that's going to beat you.
What'd you think, Ocho?
Listen, Rob talked about it earlier.
Them getting to the finals because of those bigs.
Down there, any mistakes Luka had,
they were always there to counter that and to make up for it.
I think if the Lakers, in some kind of way,
we talked about it this season, them not having a big,
hell, get two bigs for that matter.
That can help out in some way, form, or fashion.
And I think the Lakers will be, they'll be all right this upcoming season.
Squirrelly Reseller said,
Yokel says he wants to play with Luca and LeBron.
Can't Rob and JJ make that happen?
No.
No.
Hey, I don't know.
If you watch Joker on the bench,
and you know Mike Malone got fired,
it's a lot of stuff going on.
I know they can't do it, but
You know, I want to know which one so so it's a
LeBron would have to wave his no trade and then I don't think Rob is gonna trade Luca to Denver
Cuz never damn she'll not letting the Yoke is go cuz you'll get your line to sign a three year
222 million dollar deal
Because you're just lying to sign a three year, $222 million deal.
Yeah. He ain't going nowhere.
Huh?
If Joker say, I don't, if Joker say, I don't want to be in no more, he don't
want to be in no more.
Let me ask you a question.
If Joker say, send me to LA, I want to go to LA.
Three years, 220.
You got to remember who run the league, who run the league?
The players, the players?
Okay.
There it is.
Watch when he signed that extension this year, three years, $221 million.
That'll tell you that he's not going to LA.
And first, you also have to think about if you Denver,
what do you want off the Lakers teams?
Yeah, LeBron gonna be, you got Yogi for at least
another five years, you ain't gonna have LeBron like that.
Yeah, and it's a difference if the Lakers are OKC
and they got about 50 first round picks
They got like what? If that?
right, so
They gotta come up with something and I think what that is
It's kind of screw what the deal is now is you can only like I don't know the technical terms to it
But when you get the master money's up now, it's not just like five players for one
So it'd be kind of hard to trade him.
J-Dub Akron, Ocho, you say you won't face a gorilla
with 99 other men,
but you will face a human silverback at the octagon 101.
He's gonna do the same thing to you, one punch.
I mean, the fact that you compare an actual human being
that puts his pants on one leg at a time like I do
to a silverback is the problem with society right now.
That's the problem.
You see somebody with size, you see somebody with strength,
you see somebody that scares you with the naked eye,
and you get nervous.
Come on, man.
This me, I'ma beat the shit out of James Harrison, man.
Stop, stop trying me.
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