Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: LeBron’s best teammate, Popovich out for remainder of season, Jokic Taco Bell

Episode Date: March 1, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top NBA stories of the week. Topics include Unc and Ocho debate who LeBron James’ best teammate has been thus far, Gregg Popovich will not return to coaching this season and his future is uncertain, Nikola Jokic comments on being drafted during a Taco Bell commercial and much more!04:00 - LeBron’s best partner08:17 - Joel Embiid knee injury update24:10 - Gregg Popovich’s uncertain future27:18 - Jokic comments on Taco Bell draft37:00 - Jaylen Brown fails musicians tests(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It could be Luca. Obviously, listen, goddamn LeBron is like a fucking leg- God, talk it, man. Sorry, my bad. LeBron is a Lego piece, unk. You could plug him anywhere and he gon' fit. Mm-hmm. You could plug him anywhere, you can put him with anybody.

And it's gonna fit because LeBron is just that great. LeBron is really that great. He can adjust his game depending on who he's playing with. Yeah. He can play off the ball, he can dominate the ball, he can bring the ball up, he can play pointy. I mean, he can do everything. So I understand what he's saying,

but it's almost like diminishing LeBron's greatness in saying that look at it doesn't matter who he's playing with He can adjust to the people that he's playing with it doesn't matter when he showed that he did it with Kyrie He did it with D Wade he won he's gonna win with Luca obviously There's some more pieces that need to be added to that puzzle before they get to that point where they're back to their winning ways. But there's only so much time. Time is ticking over there, which is why I like my idea of Embiid. We ain't got nothing to lose because you need to be. But then here's the thing. You get Embiid and then you got to give him the rock. Luca needs the rock. Luca is going to have the ball more because Luca as I said last night Luca is better on the ball than

Than he is off the ball LeBron James needs the ball, but LeBron can play off the ball. You're gonna see a lot of lobs You see LeBron coming through like Batman with those lobs. You see LeBron getting out on the floor. He has somebody that he can trust wholeheartedly to run the offense and not ever have to come get the ball and say, I got it from here. Luca can do that. Yeah. Cause he can create his own shot too, huh? Luca can create, he's the best.

Luca, what Luca can do as opposed to what Luca can handle the ball, run the What Luca can do as opposed to what Luca can handle the ball, run the offense, get his own shot, get everybody else involved, and give you 40, 15, and 12. It is efficient. But think about this. I'm going to go back to it and beat things one more time. Think about Luca being able to run the offense. Think about LeBron. Think about the offense, the way the offense is being run.

Think about the spacing that is created because what they have offensively and what that would do for MB. Right. Not very many double teams. Right. Allowing you to sit in the painting, to do what you do best. And if, based on rotation, you have to go mid-range to go three, you're good bad. They didn't have to do much running outside of going up and down in transition and playing defense.

Well, see, you gotta be careful, Ojo, because two things can be true. Luca might be the better player individually, but that don't mean that he's the best player with LeBron as a duo. Because you take one person that can sing over here, another person that can sing over there, and bring them together, and you might not get that beautiful.

You might not get Tina Marie and Rick James. You might not get Stephanie Mills and Teddy Pendergrass. You see what I'm saying, don't you? You might not get Barry White and Lisa Stanfield. Now, Lisa Stanfield's not the best singer ever. Barry is Barry. But when you put them together, been around the world and ah, yai yai. Y'all know what I'm talking about. As good as LeBron and Luca are, at least you don't get Peebo Bryson and Roberto Flack.

Come on, Nat. Yes, because of who they are and based on the resume in the great ones that LeBron has played with Regardless of who's better than who's that they're still going to win because the duo especially when you put them together You know what you didn't we only got four games Let's hold off before we say Luca and LeBron is the best all the other duos He won two championships with D Wade. He won a championship with Kyrie he won a championship with AD let's let's make then you know let's wait more than a game a four game before we decide okay we good the 76ers Joel Embiid is exploring options for his knee the spade of laughter is the 76ers and

Joel Embiid are consulting doctors and considering alternative options such as surgery for his injured left knee both sides of hope to for progress in Embiid are consulting doctors and considering alternative options such as surgery for his injured left knee. Both sides have hoped for progress in Embiid's condition, but his determination to play in current treatments, including regular injections, sources said, have not led to anything improvable. Embiid has publicly and privately said in recent weeks that he might eventually need surgery for an extended rest period for his knee to heal. But he has been determined to find ways to continue playing and be available for the 76ers.

Ocho. Yeah. Did Joel Embiid shut it down? I think obviously it's hampering him. It's hampering his play. It's affecting Obviously, it's hampering him. It's hampering his play. It's affecting his ability to dominate the way he once did. Because of his early knee, he's not able to dominate the game as he always has when he

is healthy. My suggestion to him being, I'm thinking about players, whether it be NBA or football that have gotten, that have had knee troubles and have come back successful and been able to dominate at their respective craft and respective positions. And the only thing I can think of, the only person I can think of is Adrian Peterson. What he was able to do after having a tear in his ACL. ACL, yep. I don't know what doctor, Lord have mercy, I don't know what doctor Adrian Peterson went to, but whatever he did, whatever procedures, whatever rehab he did, Embiid needs to follow suit.

I know there's a difference in height and weight and everything, but if Adrian Peterson come back and not skip a beat or not miss a beat and come back and do what he did and still play at an elite level after completely tearing his ACL, MB can come back to as well, if he's serious about putting the work to get back to his dominating ways. Think about what AP was before he got injured. So he approached it. Huh? You don't think MB was?

His physical condition. Did we ever have any doubts about a D a P a D? Adrian Peterson conditioning I see we have any did we have any doubt any questions about his desire and what football? Meant to him. That's what you mean. Okay, I see you going so now he's going to a so everybody like man A D is not gonna be what he once was His mind says I'm gonna be better than what I once was. And he attacked it. Right. You said there's a difference. There's a difference between being six foot, six one,

and 220 as opposed to being seven one and 340, 320. You see the difference? Yeah. And injured young people grow up to be injured, old people, you don't get healthier as you age. Right. Normally when you have issues as an adolescent, juvenile, what happens? You carry those illnesses into adulthood. There have been times that may sometimes you get out of it. I mean, you have allergies or you have migraines or things of that nature, and sometimes you can overcome them. But a lot of times

if you're injured or you have illnesses or ailments as a youngster, that normally follow you into your adulthood. Go ahead. I got a good question. Chat, y'all could answer this too. Go ahead. I got a good question. Chat, y'all could answer this too. AP. Obviously, he had the mindset. Everything is mindset when it comes to getting injured, regardless of how much money you made. You think Embiid's mindset can change at this stage in his career despite already being rich, despite already being paid, is it possible for that hunger to still be there? Is it possible that that hunger to wanna dominate and get back to where he once was when he is healthy,

when he was available on the court? You think it's still there? Because that's the hard thing for people, especially players, especially once you make a certain amount of money you kind of get I don't want to say you got comfortable I'm not saying he's comfortable yeah that same urge and want to and desire oh you know what I got to I got miles of feed you know I got bills to pay when you already got to you sitting on two and a twenty million dollars already I mean what's the desire to come back and want to play? Or at least get back healthy to your

dominating ways. You saw we have a conversation and we talk about this a lot, is that when someone has everything, when they have fame, they have adulation, they have praise, they've made money and they still play and they still train as if they're broke. Yeah. You look at a LeBron, you look at a Brady, you look at a Kobe, you look at a Jordan, you look at some of these guys now that's currently in the league.

Yes sir. It's, Ocho, it's hard when you live in the ivory tower and you got mink pajamas. It's different. It's different, Ocho, it is different. What kind of pajamas? Mink. They got mink pajamas for real? I'm just saying, when you got mink slippers and silk pajamas and you can live in an ivory

tower and everything is marble and hardwood. He just signed an extension. Three years, 193 million. Now he still got had two years left. This year, another year, and then the 193 kicks in. And to adopt the mindset, I'm flat-ass broke. That was the mindset I had.

I wasn't making a whole lot of money. But even when I made money, I wanted them to say, man, we underpaying them. We got to bargain. Okay. Everybody doesn't think like that, don't you? And so it takes a special type of person to get money and still work as if they're broke. Destitute. I gotta be money.

You know what, and it's funny thing when you say that, that's already in you, huh? Yes! It does just happen once you get it. You know what? I'm gonna pretend like I ain't got no money. I'm gonna continue to train and approach my craft and my game as if I ain't got no money. I'm gonna continue to to to train and approach my craft in my game as if I ain't got it And so when then you before you got the money it definitely ain't gonna be no light switch to kick on once you make it Nope, and so that's why you look at the Floyd Mayweather after all those titles that big money

He's still going after to get it. Yeah, look at some of the boxers. Look at Buster Douglas still going after to get it. You look at some of the boxers, look at Buster Douglas. He knocked out Mike Tyson, got in great shape to beat Mike Tyson. Get 25, $35 million to fight Holyfield, boom. So you can see, that's why I have a great appreciation. You should have a great appreciation also and being a former athlete and knowing coming

from the trenches, getting it out the mud That's getting it out in the concrete jungle. I did I do have a greater appreciation For guys LeBron has got that look at what LeBron is accomplished now He's currently playing and he's worth 1.2 1.3 billion But everybody talks about what he puts in he gets to the arena five hours earlier. He does all this stuff. He gets his shoot around. He gets in the cold tub. He gets stretched. He gets his lift in.

He's still doing this 22 years in the league. Remember I said greatness is monotonous, is boring? Mm-hmm. Same thing. What's great about that? He on the bus. He in the hotels. Boom, boom, boom boom Mike Macias

Well doing all this that's what I tell people people think I Wish you could have a conversation because I did have a conversation with Jeff Bezos I met him a couple of times and to hear hear him talk That not what at one point time did he mention any part now? Maybe now you were 230 billion, but at no point in time when he mention any part? Now maybe now you were 230 billion but at no point in time when he was building this was it glamorous because it was a grind because it was monotonous because it was boring. Yeah. Listen listen who is that? Larry Ellison look at Bill Gates look at Bill Gates, look at Warren Buffett, look at these guys, Mark Zuckerberg,

look at these guys that have built things of a, now look, guys, if y'all just wanna, I'm not talking about, you know, I'm just saying, I'm looking at it from a standpoint of being great, and I think Joe LMB wanted to be great, and he had an opportunity. I don't know if he'll ever, I don't want to say ever, but it's so hard Ocho, he's getting older, his body is failing him more.

Because then once upon a time, you know when you when you first started Ocho, you never been injured. But I could bounce back, I get a nick, I could bounce back at the end of the week, I'm ready to go. Then all of a sudden, what injury that would have me bounce back at the end of a week, now all of a sudden I miss a game. And then all of a sudden, what an injury that would have me bounce back at the end of a week, now all of a sudden I miss a game. And then all of a sudden I miss four games. Next thing you know I miss the whole season. As I got older, my body couldn't recover. I mean, hey, we could play, when you young, old chum, your first two, three years, hey,

play Sunday, play Thursday, good. Hey, you want to play another game on Monday night? Left rocket road. Then all of a sudden, I gotta get in the cold tub before practice. Gotta get in the cold tub again after practice. Come early in the morning, get in the cold tub. He's played just 39 games last season

after tearing the meniscus in his knee. This season, the lingering knee issues combined with a foot sprain have caused them to play just 19 of 56 games. Because what happens, Ocho, if you get a flat tire and you continuously drive that car on that flat tire, it just don't mess up the rim and the rotor on that side. It Fs up your alignment. Because you're trying to compensate.

The body is meant to work in unison and sequence, just like your alignment. Yeah. Because you're trying to compensate every the body is meant to work in unison in sequence. Just like your body. You start having knee issues before long you're gonna have hip problems, you're gonna have back problems, you're gonna have feet foot problems. That's just the way it is. And because you're dealing with a man his size with knee problems. Yeah that's's bad. So listen, what were the expectations for the Sixers coming to the season? Boy, they're supposed to challenge the Celtics. You got Joel Embiid, you got Tyrese Maxley, and you just gave Paul George a match contract. So you got three guys. Maxey was an All-Star. We know what Joel Embiid, a former MVP MVP finish run up to Nicole and Yolkic Let the league in scoring twice Paul George. We know hey, he was supposed to be that third and missing piece

So the expectations were through the roof It was supposed to be Boston the Cav the Knicks and the and the Sixers Those were supposed to be the team that's duking it out for an opportunity to Are they are they even in contention is it? No, no, they they might go ahead and go ahead and tank for Cooper flag or that kid from Auburn or something It's over for them. Well then at that point then I think it is okay for it for him beat to shut it down Yeah, I think it's I think it's okay, especially at this point if you're only hurting yourself if anything You know, you just you just tore your maniscus

You're coming back now. You have a foot sprain. That's that's injury on top of injury. So all you gonna do is make it worse Yes, all you're gonna do is make it worse. It's like it's like getting a flat tire You put air back in it and instead of getting a new tire you just plug it At some point it's gonna go flat again Walk around with a rock in your shoe Put a little rock in your shoe and walk around with it. Now that's so hard. That's aggravating. Guess what, Ocho? You ain't gonna put no pressure on that thing because you don't want to feel that thing. Now watch your hip on the other side watching what it do. Watch what your knee and your back do because you're overcompensating. Because the body's gonna compensate. That's what the body does. And then get, and so like, hey, at some point in time,

be like, you know what, you won't stop and get this rock out, I'm gonna set you down. Yeah, that's what's gonna happen. So, you're looking at, right now, the Washington, the Wizards are nine and 47. The Pelicans are 14 and 43. Utah 14 and 42. Charlotte 14 and 41.

Toronto 18 and 39. The 76ers have the sixth worst record at 20 and 36. They've lost seven straight. In the last nine games, they're one and nine. Excuse me, the last 10 games, they're one and nine. Well, God damn. He should have been shut it down or shut it down He should shut it down at the All-Star break

so right now They should theoretically but you know how the lottery is I mean just because you got the six worst record I don't mean you're gonna get the six pick in the draft right right at the number one pick They could get they could be at the bottom of a lot of riches like 14 or 15 I don't know But I just think the thing is at this point in time You're not going to win a title even if Joel and B comes back healthy, which he's not Just go ahead shut him down. Yeah, just go ahead and shut it down and give him

So now he has March April May June July August September give him so now he has March, April, May, June, July, August, September to have this procedure and try and get back healthy for next year. He says, okay, but at the rate it's going, I don't really see a scenario when you, Joe Ellen B finishes a career in 76ers. You know what's going to happen? It's just the way sports works sometimes. I think they're gonna make them, I'm not gonna call it a mistake.

They're going to remove themselves from having to deal with them beating injuries and injury history. He's gonna go somewhere else, ain't gonna be all world. He's gonna be all world, he's gonna be healthy, he's gonna be fine. I guarantee you, it happens all the time.

I've seen it happen multiple times. You know, a player was on a specific team. He was very good at what he does, but due to injuries, it didn't allow him to reach his full potential with that specific team. He goes somewhere else after getting surgery and off-season having enough time to get healthy and plays lights out and reaches the potential that he should have at a whole another team. I guarantee it won't happen. I hope that's the case. Make some noise for the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry. We went live from All-Star Weekend for a new podcast called GOAT,

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["I'm Not a Man"] ["I'm Not a Man"] ["I'm Not a Man"] San Antonio head coach, Hall of Famer, Greg Popovich is not expected to return this season, and his future is uncertain as he recovers from a mild stroke suffered in November. Shombs added during the appearance on the ESPN-NBA countdown that Pop is getting stronger

and stronger in his rehab. The news came two days after Spurs announced that Wimby would be shut down for the rest of the season after being diagnosed with a DVT, deep vein thrombosis, in his right shoulder. Everybody, you know this old joke? When somebody else has a procedure, it's always mild, a mild stroke. You notice it's never mild, it's never minor surgery when it's on you.

Man, I'm about to have surgery. Oh, you get scoped. Boy, hey, it's minor. Everything is minor or mild As long as it's on somebody. Yeah, when it's on you. Yeah major major. Yeah We know what great Papa bitch is we know who he is. We know what he is He's one of the greatest coaches in NBA history Some says based on what he's been able to do in the time in which he's weren't able to do it

He might be one or two. Um, we know coach off coach are back, what he was able to do with the Celtics in the sixties, uh, Phil Jackson has 11 titles, um, and, and pop same team, same system, um, Tim Duncan, uh, Tony Parker and Manu basically, and then I had to tell them they got Kawhi. But it's sad, I'll speedy recovery coach. I need you back on the sideline, mean mugging the reporters, asking them why they asking you them questions.

You watching the game, right? Oh man, damn. But hopefully, like I said, I didn't expect him to return, Ocho. Right. Uh, mild stroke, didn't matter. Uh, that's something serious. My grandmother suffered from one of those and, uh, you know, you gotta learn, uh, obviously

to the degree, how, how severe it is, but you know, she had to learn how to, you know, walk again and move up, you know, cause normally one side of the brain affects the opposite side of the body. So you have to relearn all that stuff again and now I'm saying she's getting they get coach pop I can assure you is getting the best PT Possibly right. He's probably getting PT multiple times a day But uh coach get well soon You and uh, when be y'all got something special growing down there with Stephen Castle.

They got a nice little squad brewing down there, Ocho. They really do. I like Vassel. Oh yeah, they got D-Fox now. They're in Vassel, they got Vassel, they got Kelton Johnson coming off the bench. CP gives them great leadership. And then they got Wimby. They got that that alien seven four can shoot

the three, put the ball on the floor, can post up. You can do a lot of different things. Me personally, I think he shoots a little bit too many threes. He's one of the great he's already one of the great defenders in NBA history. So they got something special brewing. Now they just need pop to come back, get Wimby healthy. And let's see what this thing looks like in the next two to three years Nicole Yocuch who was famously drafted in the middle of a Taco Bell

kick Case of Rita commercial he finally spoke about that. He admitted I've never had Taco Bell just because of that Wait, he never had a tough bill because he was drafted they were they commercial when he was drafted So he was it he was he was in the second round, he was the 60th pick. Once you get past, basically once you get past one through 15, you know, people all of a sudden, they going to the bathroom, going to get beer, if they have draft parties or whatever the case may be.

So you have to go damn well. It's not like the NBA, Ocho. I mean, the NFL, where you know, you got good picks, you know, the second round, third round, some guys are all Americans and going into the second and third round. So you kind of tuned in a little bit more than basketball. Once you get past that one through 15, he was 60th. So he's in the second round.

They ain't, hey, they go to show you. They was in commercial. 60th on? Yes. I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you,

I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told you, I told me here the thing you judge They judge the book by its cover Had a hat. He had a three inch vertical You know I'm saying he was a little out of shape I'm sure they said they took you didn't self Nurgich in the first round

Cuz he was drafted he was drafted by the Nuggets So was you self Nurgich Nurgich went in the first round if I'm not mistaken, but I'm sure he could shoot the ball because he was drafted by the Nuggets, so was Youssef Nerkic. Nerkic winning the first round, if I'm not mistaken. But I'm sure he can shoot the ball. As efficient as he is right now, even with a three-inch vertical, I'm sure he can shoot the ball before he even got drafted. They had to have seen the potential. If they didn't see the potential... He's 41st pick. What was, what was, Drake, what? Nothing, that same draft, right? You're right. What was, what was, Yoke, 41st or 60th?

He was the 60th pick. Chat, L-O-S-O-T, he was not 41st. They said 41st They say it 41st 31st ask As we give me some wrong information He was the 40th 41st pick in the draft I mean There's 11 picks after the first right after the first round because there's 30 teams

So 1 through 30 is the first round so he went 11 picks into the second round. Draymond Green was a second day pick. But is that a bad thing? It's not a bad thing, especially once you blossom into what you should be. Right, but it just goes to show, oh Joe, some things you just can't, see everything is measurable.

How high can you jump? How fast can you run? How can you do this? There are certain things He he's never gonna win anything with his t-shirt off and jumping and dunking and doing all that He's not But Put a ball in his hand. Oh, yeah, he come to play now

There are certain guys in the NFL. We've all seen it We've seen guys go to the combine jump through the roof touch the ceiling The RCA dome we've seen guys run for to run for three. We've seen guys bitch-pressed 35 40 times You put him in that structure environment, it's in there no show Couldn't play dead in a horror movie look like Torrance and play like Jane You don't know no rhyme or reason on Joe because something you can measure. You can't measure everything what's inside

of him. What makes him tick? Oh yeah. What makes him what makes a guy tick? Where did he come from? How did he grow up? Yeah. Is he hungry? Now because there are a lot of guys hungry that just refuse to eat but I need a guy hungry. Yeah, I'm talking about starving That's why would you be happy or if I don't get this guess what? Oh Joe if I don't get this my mom ain't gonna eat if I don't get this my granny ain't gonna eat if I don't Get this my kids. I Got a choice Your grandma my grandma my grandma go eat. Your mom, my mom, my mom go eat.

Your kids are my kids. My kids go eat. That's the way I look at it, Ocho. That's the way I approach it. See, now you talk about my kind of mentality right there. You hear me? That's my kind of, that's my mentality. Now you understand a lot of people call me crazy now. Now, so think about this, right? Chat, y'all stay with me for a second. Think about this, right? Think about your kids behind you. All your kids right behind you, right? Your mom, your grandma.

And you in front of your kids and your grandma, your mama. And let's say James Harrison is right there, trying to get to your family. What's gonna happen? Run, y'all, run! See, come on. See that's my mentality. You understand me? Huh? My kids behind me, all 50 left, mom. And I'm in front of them and James trying to get to my kids, that means I got to protect my family. So it's that mindset I'm going into fighting him with

great understanding that the bigger they are the harder they fall. Okay. And that's what's gonna happen. Now I'm just wanting to use that analogy. I didn't mean to go off topic but I'm just giving you a list. No. Guys y'all making my point. See that's right. It's intangibles. Intangibles is what you can't measure. They're measuring his height. They're measuring his speed. They're measuring how high he can jump. That's the point. Thank you. What is it that you cannot see? What is it that you cannot measure? Which is what's inside of an individual? That's the difference. Yes, we know. But when you have a guy that have all those measurables

and he has a burning desire that's inside of him, ta-da, you get LeBron James, you get a Michael Jordan, you get a Kobe, you get a Deion Sanders, you get a Lawrence Taylor, you get those guys, guys that are supremely gifted and have a burning desire to be great, an unquenchable desire. And even when they climb to the top, they don't admire the view from the top. They find another thing. They find another summit to scale.

See, it wasn't good enough for Michael Jordan to win record a year. I got to do more. It wasn't good enough for him to be MVP. I need to do more. I need to win finals MVP. I need to win the title. Same thing with Brian. I need to be a defensive player of the year.

I need to be a, I need to be an all NBA player. I need to be universally regarded need to be an all-MBA player. I need to be universally regarded as the best, de facto. That's what these guys got. You see Tom Brady ain't got no got no vegetables. He can't, man you doing random worst 40, had the worst looking body. But what was in here and what's up in there undeniable it wasn't like he got a 50 a Ryan Fitzpatrick I think Pat McIneely might have got the high score I think Pat McIneely got like a 49 or 50 Ryan Fitzpatrick got like a 48 49 on the Wonderlegs out of 50. Yeah, I got a lot of guys, but No, Jerry ran for six Jerry run the full full five He read a four five when he had the ball in his hand, but that's not what he read in the combine

Yeah, Pat McAneb Yeah, and both guys played at Cincinnati y'all get some smart ones. I don't know what happened once they get there The man got a 50 as I'm mistaken. I think Pat McAnally might be the only guy that's ever gotten 50. Yeah perfect guy. Yep. Yeah I didn't I was man. I was so close. Hey Speaking of Mike Mamoula Boston College Cocho got a 49 on the Wonderleg goes there like 260 runs four or five

Border vertical this out of standing long jump like 11 feet everything Could he play? Coach Could he play? Don't you? They said about the recess about five times a day you still couldn't play. Another guy, Vernon Goldston, had all those measurables. Hey. Ohio State, go back and look it up. Look at it.

Looked like a Greek God. Couldn't play. You don't you get there is no rhyme or reason. Oh Joe that you look at somebody like Kate miss. He's a Kate miss ain't no such thing as can't there's no such thing as all of every but you know, you put this like man ain't no way. Bro, I'm like, look like that, bro. You got to be able to do something.

Ain't going by the ad test. And it wasn't, oh Joe, he was amazing in college. Yeah. Hey, college and the pros are completely different. Whether what the people believe it or not. Completely different ballgame. The Celtics had a little bit of a run, had a little fun with Jalen Brown, quizzing him on musicians new and old.

He did not pass with flying colors. Ocho, let's take a look at this. Let me see that, let me see that, let me see this. I might just want to see it. What do you see? What do you see? What do you see? What do you see? What do you see? What do you see? What do you see? What do you see? I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it.

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I'm talking about stupid. Hey, I like that. I like that. That's dope. That's dope. You think? You'd be surprised how many professional athletes don't know artists, whether they're famous or not.

And likewise. They're not really able to. You're based on facial recognition, you know They know unless you are one of the elites and at what it is you do. I Mean, it is a few people on there. I'm not gonna lie. I didn't know who they were. Yeah I mean, okay out that out there last night You saw people you ain't know Look, I know more people than Jordan Nobody You saw people you ain't know? Look, I know more people than Jordan. He don't know nobody. He don't know nobody. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, boss, isn't that Madam VP? Yeah, Jordan, you just saw it. I told her.

Hold on, I got a question. You know, being in something like the NAACP Awards, was there anybody you were excited to see or might have been a little starstruck that you hadn't had a chance to meet before? For the most part on Cho, I had pretty much met a lot of them. I've met Taraji before. I've seen, I met Gabrielle obviously, Kiki and I, you know, not really. Damon Williams, I hadn't met him, I hadn't met Marlon. That's about it, that's about it. That I was like, okay, cause it's always nice to be somewhere and finally put a name to a face place like, okay, that's okay.

Okay. Yeah. Cause sometimes you feel me. They like, they don't look like they look on television. Right. And I'm like, they either, they smaller. Right. Shorter.

You would think, or they're a little larger, a little taller than what you would think. Right. And so that's like, and so it's always, it's great to like, to see people and to be in that environment. That's dope. I'm going to the Oscars. I'm going to the Oscars.

Oh, you know, I was supposed to host? Yeah, man. Cause you ain't gonna believe me. Yeah. I met Adele. I've met Beyonce and Hove. But that's about it. I'm trying to think.

That's dope. Anybody ask about me at the NAACP Awards? No, they're, yes, yes, they do. They, man, where Ocho at? Yeah, he do. I say, ain't no telling where Ocho is. It's the man Ocho phrasing. I say, he'll be something that I don't know.

That's me, that's me, that's me. But it's, oh, it must be your food. You ordered some food? Oh, but no, I wouldn't, a lot of those, like, like, Ocho, I did, I hosted the, the data, the Emmy Awards. Right. Man, even as much as I studied. Right.

Man, the people walking by, but you know, they're in your ear. That's such and such. That's such and such. Cause if they didn't, walk on by. You'd have been lost, huh? Yeah, for sure. Because that was, it was like, now you got all these shows on Netflix and you got all these other shows on Amazon and you got all these shows.

So it's just not like when you and I grew up, the Emmys, everybody was on ABC, CBS, NBC. That was it. Now you got like 12, I'm like man, please. And then trying to pronounce their name. I said, no, you go ahead that name. I'm good. I'm going to do the talking. And then trying to pronounce their name. I said, nah, you go ahead that name. I'm good. I'm gonna do the talking, but you get that name.

So, yeah, it was fun. We had fun last night, old Joe. We had a great time. The Volume. Make some noise for the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry. We went live from All-Star Weekend for a new podcast called GOAT, Greatest of Their Era.

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