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Episode Date: December 18, 2024Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from Week 15 of the NFL season including an NFL Exec naming Atlanta Falcons TE Kyle Pitts the “biggest disappointmen...t,” the Detroit Lions revoke a fans tickets after an altercation with Green Bay Packers HC Matt LaFleur, Derrick Henry ditches the dreds for braids and much more!03:10 - A look at Kyle Pitts’ career08:05 - Lions revoke season tickets from a fan due to altercation16:32 - You gotta understand your role on your team20:00 - Derrick Henry changes his hair21:28 - Does Ocho need to retire from Madden?22:43 - NFL Storytime with Shannon(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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An NFL executive described Kyle Pitts as one of the biggest
disappointments I've ever scouted.
He told Bob McGann.
He also says Kyle Pitts is just going through the motions. It seems like he's almost disinterested
based off the films.
One of the biggest disappointments
I've ever scouted, some flashes,
but rarely regularly involved in the offense.
Seems to go through the motions almost disinterested.
Definitely a bust based on expectations
and what they passed up.
Broke on the scene.
He was one of the, I think he was the second tight end in NFL history to,
to go over 1000 yards.
Right.
And it is rookie season.
Mike Dicker was the first.
Yeah.
Based on that, I call it at Florida at Florida guy could run.
He could move like a receiver.
Big, yeah, tremendous hands.
Oh, he had it all.
Size, speed, catch the great hands,
catch the ball in traffic, high point the ball,
great run up the cage.
The knee injury, the ACL.
I think that slowed it down a little bit.
That's all, that's all, man.
Listen, Kyle Pitts is phenomenal, and even now with a little it down a little bit. That's all. That's all. Man, listen, Kyle Pitts is phenomenal.
And even now with a little limp and a little injury,
he's still a mismatch nightmare.
I just think they don't know how to use him
the right way where he is.
You can't have someone that played,
listen, on the line with his hand in the dirt,
he can go, he can play in the slot,
he can play a receiver, he can play all,
he can do all these different things.
And all of a sudden now he gets to Atlanta.
And you know, you have him playing a traditional tight end type role
when there's so many other ways that you can use him offensively.
You know? I mean, they're just not using him to the best of his abilities.
Now I could be wrong. I just know that injury, that injury has affected him a lot.
Now,
I will concede this.
Desmond Ritter, Tyler Heinecke, hell I don't know me, Gronk, Kellan Winslow II, Travis Kelsey
could put up numbers with those guys.
So let's not pretend like he was with, you know, Patrick Mahomes
or Joe Burrow or some of these other elite quarterbacks.
He's not. But the one thing that you can do is that, like I said, I hadn't looked
at it, but he said it looked like he'd going through the motion.
Excuse me. It doesn't seem like he's giving max effort.
Now I get it if you're probably, if you're frustrated,
Ocho, you're not getting, cause you know, one game
he gave a hundred and then hell he go two, three games.
Ocho he might get like two of the cards.
The play calling, the creativity, and allowing team
to dictate whether you can get the ball or not.
And I hate all offenses that are run like that.
Mm hmm.
It's like I said, plus.
Hmm.
When he was with Arthur Smith, I thought that was a perfect situation.
Arthur Smith loves the tight end.
And I think, I think like his, like, I said his rookie year, he was sensational
and we haven't, we haven't seen that since.
Um, I might have to get some, I might have to call and get some footage and some, some tapes.
I think there is some truth to it.
But going through the motions, I mean, no, nobody has actually gone through the motions because it's actually on film. You're not going through the motions, I mean, nobody is actually going through the motions because it's actually on film.
You're not going to the motion. Maybe this exact whoever this exact may be.
Just find the reason to hate. I hate execs that don't reveal who they are.
Hey, yeah, bro.
I can't you see what it got, Shams, we attached when he attached to the agent's name to it.
Bro, you can't do that.
Right. OK, that's why they tell you off the record.
You didn't hear from me. Right.
OK, put it put phrase, however you want to. But just make sure it doesn't't hear from me. Right. OK. Put it. Put phrase. OK, OK, OK. However you want to.
But just make sure it doesn't come back to me.
It ain't that complicated.
My sources. Yeah.
Who you don't worry about.
Well, these sources is 20, 20, 20, 25.
These sources need to stand ten toes and let it be known.
Forget the source is coming from me.
I'm the horse and I'm the mouth.
Bro, I want to get that checked.
Right.
You think, hold on, just to appease a player or a fan base,
you think I'm gonna give up a $10 million job?
Just to appease y'all, you're out your damn mind.
You not gonna do that either.
Man, you're crazy. that either. No chance.
They always come from somewhere.
It's always coming from inside the house.
It's always coming from inside the house.
Every time.
The Lions revoked season tickets of a fan who had a pregame verbal altercation with
Matt LaFleur at four fields last week.
A TV camera company ended up with a heated exchange between LaFleur and Fahad Yashy-
Yousef? Yousef.
LaFleur could be yelling at the fan, but said his actions were provoked.
I've never been a part of something like that, LaFleur said.
He was talking junk to our players, giving them the throat slash sign.
You're trying to de-escalate it and then gets in my face,
and I thought it was pretty unsportsmanlike.
Youssef said he was devastated by the move
after being contacted via email.
The biggest punch in the gut, man,
just waking up and seeing that email
and not being able to talk to somebody in person,
it was a terrible feeling.
I don't have a chance to give my side of the story.
You can't do that, man.
You can't do that.
You just can't do that. You can't do that, man. You can't do that. You got, you can't, you just can't do that. You can't listen in the NFL is not going to go for the
teams and not going to go forward because you're a representation of them.
So if you, if you, if you, as a fan of say a team is chatting and talking trash
to the opposing team's head coach, what do you think is going to, what do you
think is going to happen? What do you think is going to happen?
What do you think is going to happen? You have to remain a fan.
You have to remain in your position as a fan.
Well, I'm surprised.
I'm surprised.
There's no difference.
There's no different than playing in the NBA.
You got fans heckling players on the sidelines just because you sit in court side.
We better enjoy the game.
There's no disrespect to the Polkens,
the Polkens team's head coach.
Now. For what?
You know what?
It'd been interesting to see, to hear what was said.
Now, I don't, Ocho, I don't think
the throat slashing gesture is enough.
Like I said, I don't know.
Right.
Did he say the magic word? Did he say the magic word?
Did he say the N word?
Did he say some of the other stuff?
Did he call somebody a monkey?
I mean, what were some of the words, Ocho?
And then, like I said, I don't know.
Now, you're talking to somebody
that's been in a similar situation.
Everybody knows my story.
It's well documented.
I got into a verbal altercation
with some of the Grizzlies players.
Now, if the Lakers said, Shannon,
you can't come back.
I'm dead as wrong.
Hey, right. Right. The money that I paid for the tickets.
I got to eat that.
I got to eat that because my thing,
Ocho, you know how I am.
I control Shannon's actions. I don't how I am. I control Shannon's actions.
I don't control the consequences that came from Shannon's action.
And I get what he's saying.
He's like, man, I ain't even get a chance to talk to nobody.
I ain't get a chance to explain my side of the story.
I get I was wrong, but you know, hey,
right, maybe I'm a little bit more sympathetic and understanding because sometimes I'll show man, you know, look I I don't lie Hell, I forgot I was in the game
And you would you hot?
Oh Joe
Bro, it was like I'm like I'm thinking I'm on the corner. I'm at the bar. Yeah, and I'm going I'm going back and forth
Oh, you like this guy. I like this guy's like, I'm thinking I'm on the corner. I'm at the barbershop. And I'm going back and forth.
Oh, you like this guy?
I like this guy.
He's like, you know, we having a conversation
about Kobe LeBron or Kobe Jordan or Jordan,
or Braun, or Braun Kobe.
That's how it was.
I don't, honestly, I don't remember anything
until the security got me back into the hallway
and they asked, hey, you okay?
And I'm like, why y'all keep asking me am I okay?
What happened?
Right.
It's like, oh, oh, you okay?
And I'm looking at my man, he looking at me like,
I'm like, yeah, I'm okay.
And then it really dawned on me. But at that point in time I was like, oh, I'm OK. And then it didn't really dawn on me.
But at that point, I'm like, oh, Lord, have mercy.
I said, I lost my, I said, I know my sister's going to see this.
My brother's going to see this.
The kids go see this.
I say, I know fathers going to see this.
Hell, everybody's going to see this.
There was no consequences behind that, right?
No, no.
Me, there was a consequence of my image.
Other than that, no, I didn't suffer any monetary damage.
But like I said, if the Lakers had told me
that I was not allowed to come back anymore,
I would've just had to suck it up and say.
I mean, listen, that happens, emotions rise.
Obviously, when it comes to players,
when it comes to fans, obviously with you being
a public figure
and your passion for the game of basketball and the Lakers as well, they wouldn't do that.
Now the situation with the fan and talking to a head coach like that is completely different.
Completely different.
Yeah, and the thing was, Ocho, like the officials, because Zach,
nah, I forget the official name.
And I had seen him at a game before.
But like I said, I was just good old trash talking,
hey, you know, this and that,
and then it just escalated to, you know,
f***ing shit.
I was like, whoa, hold on now. Hold on, oh, hey, Ocho, let me. you know this and that and then it just escalated to you know
The problem that I'm most disappointed in don on Joe my job as the adult in that situation
Hey, hold on. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Hold on that. Oh
sometimes Sometimes as an adult you got to raise the temperature because if somebody slapped you on the Bible
They say it turned other cheek. Are you gonna turn other cheek? Oh
See there we go
Nobody Yeah, but all the words but in a situation like that the words I mean. Oh, see, there we go. There we go. Nobody slapping nobody.
But all the words, but in a situation like that,
the words, I could have just like, you know what, bro?
Hey, just sit down, enjoy the game, blah, blah, blah.
But the thing was, when people tried to spin it,
tell me, oh man, he about to fight,
he about to crash out by LeBron.
LeBron, he had nothing to do with this. LeBron, he had anything to do old man. He about to fight. You got to crash out by LeBron LeBron. They had nothing to do with this.
The body had anything to do with this.
Me and Bruce were having a very happy
because we going back and I like it.
I'm going back and forth.
I like that. I'm saying what he said.
And then they got a look.
It went it went to us.
I thought it went to a spot that it didn't need to go.
And then John came in.
I'm like, oh, yeah, wait, that's his teammate.
That's his teammate.
So, so.
Yes, and then his dad and that boy, Lord, now see,
that's what really got me.
Of all the things, Ocho, I was focused on them.
And if you notice immediately, Ocho,
I hear somebody say, he won't do nothing, but I will.
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Wow.
Devon Drake Campbell told the team he's a linebacker, Ocho.
Now he was placed, Dray He long guy was the starting linebacker. Yeah, I
Did you know the bowl he just got activated?
So I guess what that meant is that Devon Drake can't obviously didn't start or his playing time was good
This is what we're saying
Devon Drake Campbell told the 40 told the team
He didn't want to play anymore and he left the game in the third quarter of tonight's game per Kyle Shanahan.
Trudevius Ward spoke about Campbell leaving a team, uh, middle of the game.
Yeah.
Uh, can I ask you something?
Can I tell you something?
Do you understand his frustration though?
You understand what you know?
And then I don't, I don't agree with it.
I don't know what it, listen, as, as, as a teammate, as a player on a team, you got to understand your role.
You got to understand why you're in the role and the position you're in.
You got hurt because he got hurt.
But then I'm thinking about also being able to empathize with him.
Well, damn, I've been putting all this work all this time.
I've been playing all this time.
And all of a sudden he comes back and I got to take a back seat.
Well, obviously you want to start from the get go.
So, hello.
You got, you got to remember that. But I think I'm, I'm seeing him from his perspective, but damn, I'm
up in all this work meetings, practice plan, doing everything I can.
And all of a sudden he comes back from injury and now I'm on the what.
You got the, you know, you got, you got to understand your role.
You got to understand your role, young boy. You got to understand your role.
Come on, man.
Bro.
And that's, bro, first of all, had he not got hurt, you wouldn't even been there.
You got to realize you got released from the Packers.
So they threw you a lifeline.
He was coming back.
Okay.
Hey, I'm going play play my role whatever they
need hey I only signed a one-year deal anyway right hey and he had the nerve to
walk off walk off the field yeah hey um you got listen you know yeah hold on for
one you got to be that boy to pull some like that dog you You ain't I'm saying, you know what I mean?
You got to be you got to be spread one or somebody like that.
Well, we know you upset.
No, come on back. We'll work things out.
Well, if you're going to win your deal, you're acting like that.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And I would ever do so.
No, we got to be in that position.
We have to do something like that. So you have to understand. Exactly. But no great player would ever do something like that. Also, no great player would be in that position, but they would have to do something like that.
So you have to understand.
Correct.
You do, I think there's a situation, Davis, the DB.
Oh, oh, oh.
Remember the DB included half-time in Buffalo?
Hey, I heard the story.
Bonte had to have it like, man, I can't do this no more, man.
I can't do this no more. Damn. Yeah, I'll say rest in peace, man
It's uh
Yes, yes
But yeah, I've been these guys do I've never been a part of something like this in my 14 year career
I can honestly say I've never seen someone that
Did that not too long ago Deontay Johnson you refuse to go to the game in the third quarter?
Yeah, and now we have um yes
What's his last name?
Oh, AB did it. Yeah, you remember AB did it at the cats. He took his fans off it
Dan Henry dropped the dreads for braids Twitter said he was like Omar on the wire.
Fans are saying he lost all his aura.
We gonna see if he lost his aura come Sunday.
We are gonna see.
I don't know.
Yeah, I was just gonna say.
You don't see the man, Samson?
We gonna find out.
I highly doubt it.
I don't think him running the ball
and being as good as he is has anything to do with them dreads.
It might be a good thing.
He might be lighter.
Yeah.
Ain't got to worry about nobody tackling.
Because you know guys tag you because they used to be devil's appeal if you're tagging
somebody.
Now if it's hanging out, of the uniform, it's part
of uniform.
You could pull it.
Yeah.
I know that's painful.
You running one way and somebody pull your.
Oh Lord.
Hey, hey, hey, hey, you jump on.
Oh Joe, you jump on water fight.
What you want to do, bro?
Yeah, I grab your jersey.
I was trying to grab your jersey. but I don't know how to guys I mean some of that stuff oh Joe they yeah
yeah they are they here cover that you know most of the time I think that I
think the it's a larger percentage of players with dreads that's covering their
name that play on the defensive side of the ball yes is it yeah oh. I like I like it. Remember that? Remember that. You got an interception. You got an interception who picked up a fumble or something. He pulled his hair. I remember that.
Red Hood said Ocho Ocho you and Vic got to retire from that. Just call y'all the bastards. Don't make y'all bulls. But listen for one I'm the best player in mad in the world The problem is is the fact that I haven't been able to play mad in the way I used to because I got
57,000 goddamn jobs, so I haven't been able to be on man as much as I like to which is why you saw me lose tonight
To sketch that's it
That's it. That's it. Well get your ass. I haven't had the time
I haven't had the adequate time to put the time in like I used to.
I used to win the Madden Bowls.
I used to win the Madden Bowls.
That's how great I was.
But the fact that the past five, six years, like I've been stacking job after job and
I ain't really had time to focus on gaming the way I used to.
Okay, well stay off it.
Because you've been stacking L after L.
Right, right.
Just like you stacking jobs, you stacking L's now.
You see, that's what happens.
And because of my job, that is also, it is also ruined my romantic interest as well.
You see?
I've had a thing, I prayed on stuff like this.
I prayed on opportunities like this, and just everything seemed to be falling by the wayside because God has given me what I prayed for.
We play a lot of two tight ends and I'm always, I'm always, I'm why in 21 personnel, two
bats, one tight end, two receivers, I'm always why. Anytime we go to 12 personnel, I'm always
a tiger tight end. So, no matter who, if House came in and 12 personnel,
I'm going to Tiger.
If Chaka Chamberlain came in,
I'm going to the Tiger, I'm going to the Fly tight end,
which is what we call Tiger.
So I remember looking inside and I'm standing in the huddle
and I see Chaka Chamberlain coming into the ball game.
So I go, I'm standing in my spot.
I'm standing in my spot.
I'm moving over, I'm going to the Tiger position
in the huddle.
He's like, nah, he's like 84, you the why.
Who told him to do that?
I'm like, huh?
They did.
They sent the play in.
So they call 2J Y-Stick Lookie,
which is the tight end.
You break it in.
You have a two way go.
You know, hey, you can break it out.
I mean, the Y, the Tiger, he can come across the know, hey, you can break it out. I mean, the, the why, the, yeah, the tiger,
he can come across the guy's face or he can break out.
In other words, the why, which is what I'm playing now,
he window dressing.
Hold on, this on the, where is this on the-
I was hot.
Yeah, I bet this is on the back of your Corretto.
See, you see how they play you.
It is. It is.
No, yeah, this is my this is my this is my what year is this?
This was my this was 1999.
1999. I never I've never forget it, don't you?
And they are.
Right. I know you were hot.
Well, I know you were playing the game. I'm see them.
I told cool.
Who's off in the corner at the time because he and I got a great relationship.
I said cool.
Do they ever pinch here for Barry Bonds?
Come on, man.
Do they ever pinch here for King Griffey, Jr.?
I said, if y'all ever send somebody else in to do that bulljive.
Listen, you already know what they doing.
I tell you all this time, people in the chat, listen to this real quick.
Think about all the great receivers.
Think about all the great receivers even from my era, right?
It's one thing that they always do.
They always say at some point a player is losing a step or they getting slow, but you
never ever see the part where the opportunities decrease
to make it look like it's something wrong with you, or they work you out the offense.
Right. Oh yeah.
They always find a way to work you out the offense and put you in positions that they never used to
before. It'll never really be nothing really wrong with you, but they find a way to work you out.
And it's always small things like what you just said. If you talk to Julio Jones, you talk to AJ Green, you talk to the Andre Johnson's, the
Randy Moss's, even the Jerry Rice's.
At some point it always comes to a time if there's nothing wrong with you, they find
ways to decrease your opportunities that make it seem as if there's something wrong with
you to justify, well you know what?
Man, you're just not putting up the numbers you used to.
You know, we think you might need to take a pay cut.
And it's so funny how it works.
Yeah, and so now, a guy that they thought was losing,
I go to Baltimore, I lead the team and receive it,
and I'm gonna get to a Super Bowl.
It then come back, and I finished second,
I finished second behind Rod both year
and catches and yards.
Had eight turns down my final year, over 70 yards.
That's the dirty part of the business
that people really don't understand or see.
They never see that part.
They just hear the media, oh, he's lost a step.
Oh, there's something wrong with him.
Oh, he's not the same player used to be well
Hell, of course if I'm not getting the same opportunities I used to get when I was putting up with the goddamn numbers
But I would have I would have never I would have never not gone into the game
right, right, I had built up too much credibility with my teammates and
They had they expect me to be the voice of reason.
Even there have been times that I've like got on guys and I know things
weren't going their way.
I can see it. Hell, everybody can see.
But I say for me, I've always felt I need to remain.
Have a level of professionalism now.
Pro, yes, P.R.O. and professional are two different things.
Right. A professional is your job.
Right. A pro is how you handle situations.
So I wanted to be a professional and a pro, right.
Because I always wanted to handle things the right way.
There's a time and a place I had the conversation with cool.
I. Right. Right.
Oh, man, you go way.
I think you go way back, bro.
You was my quarterback for two years.
You helped me become the player that I became.
You was the buffer that when me and Mike wasn't seeing I was buttonhead.
You was the guy that a boss.
We got to get a body for.
We come on now.
Yeah, give me that grace.
You got to give me that grace.
But you know what you got to understand, though?
Absolutely. Kovac in that situation, You know what you gotta understand though? Absolutely.
Kuviak, you know that situation?
You know his hands is tied now.
You know that's coming from a higher power.
Oh yeah, I do.
I do.
That's the way that business work.
Mm-hmm.
Like I said, look, me and Mike used to butt heads
and the thing was is that Mike thought money would motivate him.
Come on, man.
But when he realized it wasn't money that I was playing for.
I asked my situation, and this is why I could empathize with Tom,
because the thing that I wanted from Mike was what Tom wanted from.
Yes, sir.
But what I've been able to do for you for a very long time.
Yes.
That's it. That's it.
Money wasn't it.
Money wasn't it.
Oh, I never got. Oh, I ain't get no million dollar signing bonus.
Right.
And I was cool with that because I know what I was capable of doing.
And I just, I just tell him, I said, Mike, you can't find a tight end. There's not a tight end that's currently playing that can do what I do.
I don't care if he's an all pro. First of all, he's not going to be an all pro as long as I'm in the league.
I know you can't grab a pen and paper because I know you're about to give me some good. So I'm getting ready.
I'm just saying, I'll say, well, I'll just try to figure out how you figure there's going to be a tight end.
First of all, the Pro Bowl and the AFC goes through me. Now they might be some guy, cause you already know at the start of the year from 93 to 90
from 92 to 99 when it came to the pro bowl, I sure hope I can get that back up spot.
Who?
What?
It wasn't me to go to the AFC.
And me and Ben had it on lock.
Now if you was nice to me, you called me. Okay, okay.
I would pull out and let you go.
I would pull out of the Pro Bowl.
Cause you know, somebody go to like,
oh, what you pulling out of that?
Yeah.
But I would do that.
Yes sir.
Tell me what, cause it's gonna look good on your resume.
You got a contract coming up.
Hey, Pro Bowl look good.
Right.
You trying to get whatever the case may be.
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