Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Mavs fan ejected, Ingram declines $40M, Fultz signs with Kings

Episode Date: February 16, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from the NBA season so far. Topics include a Dallas Mavericks fan was ejected from the arena for mouthing “Fire Nico” on the jumbotron, Brandon Ingram leaves $40M on the table in New Orleans to sign with Toronto, Markelle Fultz signs with the Sacramento Kings and much more!04:00 - Mavericks fan ejected for saying, "FIRE NICO"08:35 - Kevin Durant is still with Phoenix Suns and ready to play12:54 - Milwaukee Bucks GM says trading Chris Middleton was hard, but it's good for the future19:16 - Lakers lose big to Jazz29:30 - Brandon Ingram declined 40 Mil from Pelicans, went to Raptors43:43 - Fultz in back in the NBA(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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on decisions that have been made. You know? Um... He didn't curse. I think he had... He didn't yell profanity. He didn't yell obscenities. It wasn't... Right, right, right. It wasn't like a, you know what I'm saying, Ocho?

It wasn't anything like no racial... Right. All he said was... Right. Yeah. Right. That should get you kicked out of the arena, Ocho. I'm sorry.

It shouldn't get you kicked out, but you there to enjoy the game. You're there to enjoy the game. You're there to... They gonna have... To have fun. I'm sorry. You're there get you kicked out, but you there to enjoy the game. You're there to enjoy the game, you're there to have fun. I keep saying Colin, Nico Harrison. I'm sorry, chat, Nico Harrison.

Yeah. Listen, there's a no tolerance policy. I think fans need to understand and respect not only the players, but other authority as well. You know, go there. If you're not pleased with them, we understand your displeasure with certain individuals based on decisions that they made. There's certain things you can't do. It's like, you know, when you get pulled over by the cop. And just because you know the law, you want to challenge authority. Or you want to curse, or you want to pull, you know, you, you, you know, you know, you, you know, you upset, but what happened and what, and, you know, Luca, Luca leaving, go to the game, enjoy it.

You see him being given a little quick boo, you know, boo. Don't buy your business. Enjoy the game but I think when you when you handle it this way now you invite more people to be this way oh yeah all I say was Michael Harrison I don't think that's an offense that should get me thrown out of the game if I'm really if I'm yelling I said it is if I'm yelling racial stuff if it is profers, if I'm yelling at racial stuff, if it is profane, I get it. But that's all he said was fired Nikko Harrison.

That's not, that's not an ejectional offense. Now they have taken it. They've had to add extra security to this man to and from watching his home because of the threats. That's too far. That's taking it too far. I get it, you're upset, but to put threats on the man's life and his family's life, that's going too far.

So I get the precaution that the mavericks are taking, but I can't get down with that because all he said was fire Nico Harrison and the man is he just talks from the arena. I don't listen. I don't settle. You know what? You know what?

Well, cracking your window, it always starts small. Yeah. If you don't fix it, if you don't set a precedent early, that crack, it gets bigger and bigger over time. So now you talk about, he just said fire Niko and that's all he said. That small crack will continue to get bigger and bigger because other people are

going to see that. Right. So what they're doing is they're jumping the gun. You know, we need to get on top of this now before this small crack eventually turns a little bit bigger and it gets out of control. Well, hey, once you go there, look, we ask everybody to be respectful, blah, blah, blah. And once he yelled it the first, you know, now that the first time just fanned off it. You remember how they used to show it every time when street kids would run on the field, a guy and women would lift their shirt off, and they would just stay on it.

Now they just, hey, they just cut away. We're not gonna give you no TV time. We're not gonna let you have your little five seconds, your 15 seconds of pain. We just gonna move on. I think for me, I think that would've been the proper way to handle it, but hey, the Mavericks did what they did.

I don't agree with it. As a matter of fact, they just ejected a team of red. Jaws dead out of the game because he said something to an official. I guess I could be wrong, but I think I'm paraphrasing. I think said y'all want to take or something like that. You have to be careful. You know, you say stuff like that,

but officials that's a very, very touchy subject, especially with gambling involved. But this, this is not even close for me. Chad, let me know what you guys think is an objectionable offense. Kevin Aradis deal with the Phoenix Ss and ready to get back on the court after last week's eventful trade deadline full of speculation. It's just part of the business.

Everybody's bought and sold in this league. Anybody came up for option. So I understand it's just about getting back on the court and trying to go out there and play the game that I love. It's part of the business though. We've all got to understand that the Suns ended up having a relatively quiet trade deadline dealing only disgruntled center, Yousef Nurgich to the Hornets,

but keeping the rest of the court intact. The team's big three, Durant, Book and Bradley Bill is still together as the franchise tries to gain traction in the standing. Ocho, you agree, disagree, like what KD said? I like what KD said. Obviously he feels that everyone is expendable at this point and I don't think KD would have said anything like that

if he hadn't seen the deal that happened with Luca. I don't think he would even utter those type of words, but now seeing that they were able to get rid of Luca, despite how good he was, I think that's why he said what he said. Anytime, anytime Katie was on the move, it's because he wanted it. Right.

It's because he wanted it. You know, he said, you know, he was displeased with the issue or with the turmoil and chaos that was going on around him. You know what, I want to make a move. I want him to move. Whether it was the Warriors or it was um God damn it.

Okay B, it was a fridge, it was a fridge but okay C. Okay. So he's like I want to move on. Well within his right. The Warriors you mentioned. He was there, he wasn't happy. A part of that, for me a part of it. Uh, the Warriors

was new edition. Johnny, Bobby, Ricky and Mike, they were the original. Johnny Gill, could I say them all? Yeah. But he didn't grow up in Rosbury and Boston. Right. So he was never going to be accepted like those like Trey, Clay and Steph. Excuse me, Steph, Clay, and Draymond.

Right, right. We know what KD is, a seven foot walking bucket. Yes sir. Big range. Can get to, shoot the three, you follow it, 90% of his shot, can play with his back to the basket, can put the ball on the floor. We've never seen a guy seven foot tall, head on the ball and be able to do what he does.

But he's like, you know what? I'm going. He goes to Brooklyn and sees like, man, I'm going. So once you leave, it's easier for you to do it again. It's just like somebody getting divorced. A lot of times when people get divorced, you see a person with multiple divorces. Because once you lead the relationship,

it gets a lot easier to lead the next relationship. You know, and that's another thing. Now I'm gonna take it to sports. Once you see someone get knocked out the first time, you know how much easier it is when you get knocked out again after that third person? Yes. So subconsciously, it's already there.

Absolutely. It can happen a lot faster. So, KD just wants to play basketball. That's what he is. He's a professional basketball player. He works on his craft extremely hard. You don't get this, you don't play as long as he's played, be as good as he is without working on his craft, all that other stuff. He let Rich Klyman do what he does, have his business stuff.

KD just wants to focus on basketball on the court. Um, and so he understands the business of the game, just like he was a business. He was a free agent. He went to Golden State. He became a free agent again. He went to Brooklyn. He's like, you know what? The situation is getting out of hand.

I don't think we can win here. I want to go somewhere else, but he handled it in such a way. He didn't make a whole lot of noise. He didn't call, you know, miss practice or be laid or star by the shooter. Ryan shot our shooter round. He is representative. So I look, I would like to be moved. Get what you can for me.

I, and this, you know, this, they did him a solid. He wanted to go to Phoenix. They put him in Phoenix, but see that's because of the person the man the player that is He's been very respectful how he handled it. They accommodated it a lot of time like where you want to go? Okay, I'm gonna see you the opposite place You want to go to heaven? Hell it is Yeah First, General Manager John Horace said trading franchise cornerstone Chris Middleton after 12 seasons in Milwaukee was the hardest transaction he's made.

Oh, don't start that. But did so to maximize the window for a championship. It's still the awesome responsibility to try to take this franchise and maximizing the window that we have now as best we can, what we think gives us the best chance to win and figure out how to continue winning going forward. There's a very narrow set of opportunities that we felt that we could do that. And this is one of them, Milwaukee traded Middleton and rookie guard, AJ Johnson, and a pick swap to Washington in exchange for Kyle Kuzma, Patrick Baldwin Jr. and a second round pick

before last week's trade deadline. The Bucks also acquired center Jericho Sims for the New York Knicks as part of the deal. Ocho, the executive said it was the hardest decision, one of the hardest decisions he's had to make. I heard that before too, huh? Didn't we hear that from someone who sits to one of the higher seats for the Giants?

Mm-hmm, Joe Shone. They say Quarantino was one of the hardest things for him to do, but they still did it? Yeah. I'm not sure. In that case, it was for the betterment of the team. Do you think this situation and letting Chris Middleton go was for the betterment of the team in the future

and giving them their best chance at a trophy or competing for one? I think the injury that Middleton is having. Chris Middleton has. The injury. They didn't think that. It comes down to Ocho, do I believe that I can count on you long-term moving forward? Ain't no, I'll make the decision.

When somebody tells you that, you know, your parents, you tell you, this is gonna hurt me. I got, I'm gonna tear your ass up, but it's gonna hurt me more than it hurts you. We don't know. It's gonna hurt me more than it hurts you. You ain't with me. Baby, I don't want you to be hurt.

And I damn sure don't want me to be hurt. What kind of bulljive is that? Hey boy, my grandma used to get kissy with that boy in junior high, you know, in my early days. Yeah, in high school and getting in trouble. Well, this gonna hurt me more than it hurts you. Well, I don't grandma used to get, catch me with that boy in junior high, you know, in my early days, yeah, in high school, and getting in trouble. Well, this gonna hurt me more than it hurts you. Well, I don't want you to hurt me.

Then why you doing this? Yeah, don't hurt. I don't want you to hurt me. I definitely don't wanna hurt. It's a bug. This, this, this, this. Bad y'all been with me with that foolishness. And that's what they, what they've been fixed.

Oh, you know, this, this hurts me to my, man, stop. Now, you know, this this hurts me to my baby. Stop. Now, you know, I honestly if it was a situation where. And that's what if you go back and look at it, that's what made coach Belichick so good. And that's what really hurt him and that's what hurt Tom because coach Belichick realized I'm going to have to make a very tough decision one day. The closer I get to a player the harder it is for me to do my job.

This is why in the military, they, they, I don't know if they still have it, but higher ups messing with lower subordinates because they cloud the judgment. Because now I don't want to put you in harm's way because I feel some type of way about you. Yes, sir. So that's why they don't want to put you in harm's way because I feel some type of way about you. Yes, sir So that's why they don't like they you know if you are higher up you can't mess with us with more than it because you're in a position of authority and you are over that person and so

When you got to send somebody out to go do battle you got to send them out the battle What if that's your little boo? That's your woo. No, you're gonna stay on my down You're here with me. Have what you want. Let me get a little desk job. I don't want you to go out there and get hurt. You stay right over here with me, right over here. That ain't how it work.

And so when you dealing with it, so that's why you have to keep emotion out of it. That's why you can't get too close because the closer you are to an individual, the harder it is, it is for you to talk with said individual. Right. And so, you know, and maybe, maybe, maybe it is, I mean, hey, I don't, I don't know. I've never been in a situation, um, um, where I had to make a, a very, very

tough decision where you've been with someone for an extended period of time and you've won together, you've accomplished so much together. Right. Excuse me. And it comes to a point in time where you have to let said individual go. I'm sure that's not an easy thing to do. But like you said, at the end of the day, Ocho, no matter what I think of an individual, I still have an obligation to be owner that pays my salary to the families to put the best product on the floor in order to win a championship. Okay. Okay. I understand it. I don't know if that's the best product on the floor to

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That wasn't what was in there. That just came to me. The Lakers needed much size and physicality, which he did not provide. After the next trade with Mark size and physicality, which he did not provide. After the Knicks trade with Mark Williams and the Charlotte Hornets, they weighed Kristen Woods to create an open roster spot. He missed a season after recovering from off season surgery. But tonight was a tough first start for Alex Land,

who did not do a whole lot, got some good cardio in. Other than that, 22 minutes, two or five, two offensive rebounds, so he had seven rebounds, two assists, one block, and three personal fouls. Not much, not much, not much. He probably just met the team yesterday. The Lakers had no interior presence with him on the court.

Loud, the Utah Jazz, they shoot 52% from the floor. Laurie Markett, it was 11 of 18, six of 10 from the three, four, four, from the free throw line, 32 points plus 35. Walker Kessler plus 23, he had 16 points. Jordan Clarkson had 23 points, he was plus 33. Tonight just wasn't it, Ocho. And we knew this would be a problem

because of the ability to defend. And right now they don't really have guys. You look at the guys, they don't have defensive guys. I don't know why they only got, unless Jackson Hayes got hurt, I don't know why he only played seven minutes. But he left the ball game and didn't come back in. He was two or two from the field, seven points.

No, excuse me, seven minutes with four points. But they can't defend fair, Nocho. Oster Reeves struggles shooting three tonight, so did Luca, but Luca's gonna take a while. He's been out almost eight, seven weeks. December, yeah. Yeah, since Christmas. So it's gonna take him a while to get his rhythm back.

But they didn't defend, and when you don't defend and you don't shoot the ball well, you end up going down by 24, 26 points. You end up losing by 12. but the game really wasn't close. Don't let the final score fool you. The game was not this fast. Yeah. Hey, but, but listen, the Lakers as opposed to the last game, as opposed to the last

game, the Lakers came out flat. They came out flat. They played very uninspired. Obviously Jackson Hayes only getting seven minutes having what? Maybe four, four points. What was it? Four, six points? Yeah, yeah, four only getting seven minutes, having what, maybe four points? What was it? Four, six points? Yeah, yeah, four points.

Seven minutes. And ever since he, ever since he was out of the game, I think he's the only defending presence that could really be inside the paint and be able to defend to some extent. After that, it was just a goddamn layup line basically for the Utah Jets. Layup and dunk. How many, how many, how many lobs did you see? I mean, they're throwing law from out of bounds. Well, it was law of city.

It was law of city. Now, also one of the things you have to notice about this game too, when the Jazz played the Lakers the first time, they turned the ball over, I think maybe 18, 19 plus times. This game, they were able to protect the ball a little bit more. They didn't have as many turnovers. And obviously with the Lakers coming out as flat as they did and the jazz being efficient as they were from the line. I forgot, I think Collier had 20.

Uh, what is it? Why you say, uh, marketing? Well, yeah, marketing and young bull. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Young bull, young bull. He can score.

He can rebound. He can facilitate. Yeah. He, I mean, he's been an all-star. He's been an all-star. We know Jordan Clark's gonna heat it up with the best of him. John Collins had a nice game tonight, 17 points.

Eight rebounds on a CS two blocks. But yeah, you could tell early on though, Joe, the way the Lakers came out, they came out really with no enthusiasm. They didn't defend, they didn't attack the basket. They came out really with no enthusiasm. They didn't defend. They didn't attack the basket. They look at the free throws. I mean, they're called free throws because you're 17 to 30. Yeah. I mean, listen, Luca is going to take Luca a little minute to get going, to get

his rhythm back. Also, really, you're going to have games like this. You're going to have games like this. It's hard to be on every single this. It's hard to be on every single night. It's hard to be on every single night. And tonight just happened to be one of those. Yeah, he had played well. Reeves had really played well, say the last eight to 10 ball games. He'd been really well, had a career high 45 points.

And when Luca and LeBron were both out of the game, played well the other night when Luca first got there. So yeah, he had a down night tonight. He didn't shoot the ball. He ended up with 15 or 11 assists. Did a great job of facilitating. Only had one turnover so you can live with that. But he didn't shoot the ball well.

He was one of 10 from the three point line. Jackson Hayes left with a facial contusion. So that's probably why you got a land plan, probably more minutes than you really wanted them to play. Coloco also got nine minutes, but they just don't have bigs. They don't have bodies to really throw at people. And the guys that they throw out there, that's all they're doing, they're throwing out there.

Jackson Hayes is really a guy you don't, I mean, none of their bigs you run offense for, Ocho. They run lobs, get it up, hey, you want points? Get it off the rim, offensive rebound and put it back in. That's how you're going to get your points. Cause we're not running anything for you. Right. Now, obviously I think if Jackson Hayes is there,

he's some type of defensive presence. Yeah, obviously with his length, he's tall and um, the Ligand just couldn't seem to keep up with the pace that the Jazz had the whole week. Well, they got, they, you know what? They, they ended up taking the lead Because the jazz had a little story a scoring drought and that's what happened You know, it's a game of runs the Lakers got their route and then all of a sudden like they relaxed

Wouldn't play any defense and lay up lay up dunk lay up three three three three three The next thing you know, the game is blown wide open But they're gonna have to do a better job. JJ is gonna have to find a combination. Look, he's trying to, he's searching right now. The three guys that you know gonna start, it's probably Reeve, Luca, and LeBron. We'll see mixing back with Jackson Hayes. Probably Rui is gonna be the other guy that starts.

But Vanderbilt, ooh, it rough on him tonight. Bronnie got in at mop up time, got him a nine quick points, hit two threes, one or two from the free throw line. Nice little float up, like little float, little float up paint, he look good. He look very comfortable, look very comfortable, very poor, very confident, especially in the shots he like. But it's hard for me to believe that Dwight Howard wouldn't

be better than Alex Lynn. It's hard for me to believe that Dwight Howard wouldn't be better than Alex Lynn. It's hard for me to believe that. I ain't saying he gonna be. Hold on. We don't need Dwight. See, people keep talking about Dwight. You don't need Dwight Howard to be Orlando Magic Dwight Howard. He can't, nor should you expect that from him.

But what they got, so you're gonna tell me Dwight Howard can't be better than the Coloca? Really? He can't be better than Alex Lynn? That's all we Hyde can't be better than the Colocco? Really? He can't be better than Alex Lyon? That's all we ask you, to be better than that. Not be all NBA, not be defensive player of the year, not be that, just be better than that. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I see what you're saying.

Okay, I have a question for you then. So how long, obviously you have the All-Star break coming up right now. How long has Lakers figured out? How long has JJ figured out what pieces he needs to be able to contend? Well, you're not contending this team. This roster is not built to contend. It all depends on who you get in the first round matchup. You might can still you might can still I mean,

Luca Lebron might can steal it, but that's as far as you're going. You're not beating in the team to have the you're not going to you're not going to be OK, see, not not with this. You're not beating in the team to have, you're not going to be okay. See, not with this. You're definitely not, and what you going to do with Yoke? Now Jamar Murray went crazy tonight. He had 55. Yoke is you had a quiet night. They say Jamar, I've been carrying you, I've been doing what I do. Hey, you go ahead and throw your hand right here. He dropped 55 and everybody knows Jamar Murray can get hibachi hot. And he got that tonight, but no, they're not, they're not, they're not, they're not really, you know, doing anything.

Not with this roster. Not like I said, LeBron and Luca could probably get hot and can steal you a series, but after that, that's where the book stops. They're not, they're not good enough to really do anything. Um, they don't defend at a high enough level. Um, now they can't control the clock. They control the defend at a high enough level. Now they can't control the clock. They control the pace of the game. Both of these guys with the ball in their hands can control it, but I just don't see enough on the

on the defensive end because at the end of the day it still comes down to defense, win championships, and they don't have nearly enough. So we're going to the break on the loss, but they had won six straights, so they win last six or seven, and 131 to 119. They have to be pleased. They're 32 and 20, a lot better than what they were last year at the All-Star game. We'll see what they do. Lucas gets some time off. LeBron is the only one going to the All-Star game. So it'll be interesting to see what the guys do with their time going into the break. But I ain't like what I saw tonight. I ain't gonna even lie to you. I ain't gonna even hold you on that

Ocho. I didn't like what I saw tonight. Listen, it's so funny how the game of basketball works. Listen, you play two, three nights ago, It's so funny how the game of basketball works. Listen, you play two, three nights ago, however many nights it was, you come back and play an exact same team, exact same personnel, and you come out completely flat. You look completely different.

You did. They did. When it turned over, and they didn't get back, nobody got back, they're loafing like, oh, baby, I ain't getting no foul, and they moping, and you know, I wish LeBron would stop doing that. Cause sometimes, you know, he turns the ball over.

He doesn't get a call that he thought he should have got. Bro, get back. And he don't, he lags it back and then they bust a three. Yeah. Well, you got to understand that he's a little older than these now, you know, having, having to shoot back down that court every time a ball is. I say, hey, all I'm saying is don't walk. They say you gotta be speeding on solids, but just don't walk.

Just don't walk. Give me a little, give me a little bit more effort because the guys are looking. You can't miss a shot. Get mad. They didn't call a foul mope down and then shrug your shoulders. Like what, what happened? A lot of teams for a grand fiction. Yeah, I got you.

team is for a grand fiction. Yeah, I got you. Uh, Brandon Abram declined $160 million with the Pelicans only to accept $120 million with the Raptors. But listen, I have a question. Oh, I don't know in what world chat y'all stay with me real quick. Now I don't know in what world, chat, y'all stay with me real quick now, I don't know in what world, where it's that bad, where you leave $40 million on the table and choose to go somewhere else. You ain't nobody finna see it and tell me, listen, I just left New Orleans for a week,

six, seven days straight. You ain't finna tell me based on what I saw in that wonderful city, culture, the people, the food, the people, the food, the architecture, the history. You ain't playing basketball. That's your, that's your wanna be. You ain't playing basketball. What the devil is alive.

You just saw Tyreek. You just saw Tyreek complain, making 32 million in Miami with all that water, with all that nice weather, with all the women down there. He complaining. Now you wanna try again? Now, wait a minute. Now, now listen, that's apples and oranges.

You talk about two different scenarios. You talk about a Tyreek Hill that just came off a season that was nothing like, like he felt it should have been. You had a quarterback that gotten hurt. He wasn't getting the ball like he felt he should. He was frustrated. Stay with me. He was frustrated about for one, not putting up the numbers he should. Two, not getting the ball the way he should. He was frustrated, stay with me, he was frustrated about for one not

putting up the numbers he should, two not getting the ball the way he should, and three he got in front of that camera before he cooled down. That's called the rule number one. After the game you make sure you go take a shower and calm down before you say anything you shouldn't say before you get in front of that camera. Now you're not for this to tell me that New Orleans is that bad. Even if you do play the game of basketball to the point where, you know what? I'm not coming. I'm not coming back here.

I'm not signing here. I'm going to leave $40 million on the table. I'm going to go somewhere else. I'm not going somewhere else. He went to Canada. He went to another country because he want to win. You say frustration. Who wants to be there? You see Zion Zion you think Zion want to be in New Orleans

It is if I mean the end hold on did Anthony did Anthony Davis want to be in New Orleans So I'm just trying to figure out the players that they've had that wanted to be there You think you can't understand why because? Because I want to win. I can't win there. Well listen, you know what the onus, that's on management. Management needs to make it a place some kind of way, some shape, way, form or fashion where people want to come. Ocho. He need to do what you need to do. Ocho, see, that's great for you Ocho, if you were tourists, I'm trying to win. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

I ain't no goddamn tourists. I'm from New Orleans. You a tourist. You go down there for a couple of days. You get to eat the food you get to get, but I'm saying these guys got to live it. They want to win. Yeah. That's not good.

That in New Orleans is not conducive for winning. It's okay. That's not a knock on New Orleans is not conducive for winning. It's OK. That's not a knock on the city. But let me ask you a question. What big time for you to sign up with New Orleans? I'll wait. You just take your time. Yeah, we got time. We just getting started.

Tell me the big time for you to sign up with New Orleans. OK, I understand what you're saying. I understand what you're saying. But you hear what I said first. The owners of management creating an environment where people want to come to. You know, there was a time where people didn't want to come to the heat. They always wanted to come to the heat. First of all, first of all, how many big, the only thing you traded for Jimmy Butler.

I mean, you got Jimmy and LeBron was LeBron was, but Ron ended up being a trade. He did him a solid. They didn't get KD. Right. They didn't get no big mother free agents. So you over the huffing department talking about coming to Miami where when who? Let me finish let me finish there was a time when nobody wanted to come to Cincinnati you know that they still know! You can't stop playing! You have big time free agents y'all got! All of them want to come. I said they want to come. The timing has been right for them.

Joe, you said they want to come. Who? And I'm not a man. I didn't sit on no tree. I can't turn the head all the way around. But who? Listen to me. The big free agents that have been available,

you listen to me, that's where they wanted to go. They just didn't say anything publicly. Why did they go? In favor. I just told you they wanted to go. They just didn't say anything publicly. And then it worked out in their favor. I just told you they're working out in favor. Money. So you, so in other words, they want to go to Cincinnati knowing they're not going to get paid. Knowing Mike Brown has been cheap.

Knowing the Bengals have been cheap their entire, their entire existence. Really? Well, I'm just, I'm just telling you. Now listen, who's the owner? who's the owner in New Orleans? Who's the owner? Miss Gayle Benson. Mr. Benson. Gayle, Miss Gayle Benson, the husband died.

Miss New Orleans Saints? Yes. Oh, man, that's for girl. You for real? Man, I gotta talk to Miss Benson. I gotta talk to Miss Benson because listen, what I saw in New Orleans, there's no reason why two things can't coexist.

The Pelicans having a winning mentality, and it all starts at the top, to go along with the goddamn city that is winning itself. I know, but the hell I saw the past week, I was out there. I told y'all, I'm from the Seventh World, I'm from Uptown now. I'm from Uptown.

Matter of fact, you to go with me? In marks for what? Uptown uptown super Sunday Let me ask you question. Oh Joe how many big time for a desire with the house Atlanta? You the Atlanta. Oh nice. Oh, hey, that's a place to be a big time for basketball free at the sign there How many big they don't have a winning environment up you have a winning city though The aesthetics are very pleasing outside of the arena. I can tell you that I don't go there often I'm just telling you what somebody told me. I

Ain't telling you what I know. I'm telling you what I heard Atlanta is a beautiful place, huh? The man. So it's Houston. What is Houston? What do you consider Houston? Yeah, I like Houston. Okay, I know you like Houston.

Let's talk about the environment. They're young, they're up and coming. I love what I may is doing with that team. Sungoon was an all-star. I like Jaylon Green. I mean the guys 20, what 22 years of age, balling out. They got, they, Armin Thompson, they got a nice young squad. They got a nice young squad. Probably need one more veteran. You know, Van Fleet, I like Van Fleet. I like Brooks. They get out there, they play hard night in and night out.

They had a little rough patch where they lost about five games in a row, but you can deal with that. I think they're gonna be just like the Texans. The Texans are gonna be a place that you got a quarterback, you got Nico Collins, you got D'Amico Ryan, who have a great defense. You see they got Denell Hunter,

they got Will Anderson Jr., They got Will Anderson, Jr. They got Stingley, Jr. They got some nice pieces. They got some nice pieces. They're a few players away. They were able to lure a Laramie Tunsel. Uh, the problem that they had is that Bill O'Brien ruined it when he trade a damn running back for a, uh, all pro wide receiver.

What the hell they do that at? Right. I never understood that. And then you had the situation with Deshaun, you had a situation with Deshaun, and we don't need to get into it, but we know what happened. And that kind of set them back for a year or two,

but they were able to get CJ. CJ looks to be what he's supposed to be. Had a little down year this year, but I expect him to bounce back and play better next year. We'll see what they do. They lost a lot of their receiver. Tankdale got injured. Stephon Diggs got injured.

But I love the addition of Joe Mixon. They're a couple of pieces away. They're gonna be right back in the mix. But I think that's the thing. Listen, Brandon Ingram did not make this decision, didn't take this decision lightly. It wasn't no, oh man, okay, fine. He had been sitting there for an extended period of time

and he realized it. He said, first of all, the guy that y'all want to build this thing around, he can't stay healthy. Now, for the most part, Brandon Ingram hadn't stayed healthy either. So let's be all the way with that. So he, I mean, I understand he's looking at Zion and Zion can't stay healthy, but

Brendan Ingram missed a lot of time also. And, and, and Pelican fans, y'all know that. So it was like, man, let me go ahead and bounce. You're like, I go to a team, you know, they got Scotty Barnes, I like Scotty. They got that, I mean, look, I hate calling the man last name, but uh, huh? 40 million? How you leave 40 million on the table?

Come on, man. What are we doing? Look, Oachie, the basic mistake that I made, a lot of times is that I put myself in that situation You can't put yourself in that situation. You wouldn't know but oh Money can't buy happiness the man happy Listen money can't buy you happiness, but you know what money can't buy you He can buy you time where he had all he even bacon by you can't have all the time. He could have all the time he would have spent in there.

Boy. Hey, look at what you call it. Look at, what's the guy's name? Look at Melinda Gates. Bill Gates worth 200 billion, 200 billion. She say, I'm gone. Yeah. Bagels what?

I'm gone. But you say money can buy happiness. I don't really like the fact that you- I'm gone. Yeah. Bay goes what? I'm gone. But you say money can buy happiness. I don't even like the fact that you- I'm just saying. Listen, the fact that we have billionaires in this world, the fact that we have billionaires in this world, and one of the things with little girls growing up, they're taught, you got to find you someone that's able to provide and provide you with stability. If Bill Gates and a few other billionaires that I named not too long ago on one of

the shows have not been able to keep a woman happy long-term. They just, they just had. At the end of the day, Ocho. What chance do us normal folks have? You got to be happy. Ocho, you make it seem like it's all of the women. Or men get divorced too. Men leave relationships.

I ain't never seen, I ain't never, don't do that. When the last time you seen a man initiated a divorce? I ain't seen it, I ain't seen it in a very long time. More times than not, it is the woman initiated, but it's the woman that's also getting fed up with something. Right, yeah. So it's not something that she did.

Women don't haphazardly do things. Women are very methodical. They're very thoughtful. They're not just rushing out. See, a guy, see, a guy, see, a guy will leave a great woman for a fine thing than how women think. Women didn't have women think. Women don't think like that.

Women are very methodical. Women are very meticulous. When a woman leaves a man and they've been in a relationship for an extended period of time, she's had it up to here. Now you notice I said here, because when she had it up to here, that now. You notice I said here because when she had it up here She stayed when she get to here. Oh

Right. Also what you need to understand to uncle you got to think about this when a woman is fed up before she gets to Here and she's right here All all her chicks all her chicks and ducks got to be in the world All our eyes got to be dotted and all that t's got to be crossed before she gets to here so she can exit The plan has to be played Out completely she can't leave until she knows exactly what plan is And they're gonna execute itself because you can't leave and they'd be dead in the world Which is why when you talk when you talk when we talk about billionaires and their wives in marriage and divorce

You notice they always take half with around. I mean a lot of times they like look look here I ain't taking half cuz cuz neither one of them had pre-nubs. So theoretically they could have got a big old chunk. They could have got more than what they got. Now 40, 50 billion, they ain't nothing to laugh at. Yeah. But I think the thing is a lot of times when women, women already, see women will already told you

what they're unhappy about and, you know, fix it. We ain't listening. And they like, man, I don't know what happened. Well, she kinda told you. And she dropped bread crumbs. Not only did she tell you, she dropped bread crumbs that made a loaf. But you didn't hear her.

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No, no, he's never. That ship is sale. Is it here? Is it still here? What if here is fixed now? I think that's the barrier he couldn't get past. Hold on, didn't they take him over Jason Tatum? They took him over Jason Tatum.

He was like that, don't, never forget, he was like that. Ocho, that shot. It took him over Jason Tatum is based on what he showed. Ocho, that shot, you don't normally take a guy with that, He was like that. That shot. It took him off the field and it's based on what he showed. That shot. You don't normally take a guy with that, with a shot that looked that defective. The mechanics, come on, Ocho. Right.

You're in, more times than not. Ain't nobody, listen, no matter how good he is, I don't believe a number one receiver's going number one overall as a body catcher. You gotta be able to pluck the ball. You gotta be able to play it traffic. No matter how good he is, I don't believe a number one receiver is going to go number one overall as a body catcher. You got to be able to pluck the ball. You got to be able to play in traffic. You got to be able to transition.

So if you got that many flaws, number one overall. I mean, listen, no, listen, uh, shots can be fixed. Lethal shooters right there down the street. He's not too far. You get with him in the off-season. If it's that big of a problem. Hell, Sean Marion. Remember he's Sean? He went first overall though.

See, that's the thing though, Ochoa. If you take a guy like, you take a guy like 15, 16, think about it. You take a guy number one overall, he's supposed to be franchise changing. He's supposed to be LeBron. Shat. That's what he, Akeem, Will, Kareem, Magic Johnson. That's what they're supposed to be. A Dwight Howard. Franchise altering. He wasn't that. AI.

I have a question. Based on just the folks coming out of college. You didn't, you didn't think once he got, we was going here to be French franchise changing based on the film that he put up in college. I looked at it. I mean, he was like a lot of hit or miss. Um, but I was just always leery of that shot. Right. It just concerned me. It did.

You think somebody would have took Sean Merriman number one overall? No, you don't. He would have had to be extremely dominant in other... He was an outstanding defender. With that shot, he turned himself into a decent shooter. Can make threes, but he could defend. He could rebound. It's just hard.

No, too much time is bad for him to, to live up to what he was, where he was selected, the slot that he was selected as. No, he, he's not living up to that. Now, can he, hopefully he can have a serviceable career moving forward. Let's go. He was out of the league. Yeah. He was out of league for first half of the season. What, what, what guy, you know, that's out of the league for first half of the season?

What guy you know that's out of the league for first half of the season all of a sudden comes back and you're like, well, you know what? Hey, we sure made a mistake on him. Right. It doesn't happen like that. I mean, it's. Right.

Wait, listen, Pope and he comes back and makes a difference. He feels in that role in SAC, that Darien Fox leaves and he can come in and be efficient and be somewhat, if not what we thought he would be, be some close to it. But here's the thing. You can have a quirky shot, a la Ben Simmons, but normally you need to be 16. Ben Simmons was an all NBA defender. He was an all star, six foot 10, could handle the ball.

But you see, eventually that caught up with him. Yeah. Because he became afraid to shoot the basketball. You see, I can't teach you how to shoot if you're afraid. See, I can't teach you how to shoot if you're afraid. See, I can't teach you how to swim. If you're afraid of the water, you can't learn how to swim. You heard what you just said? Ben Simmons was scared.

Shoot. Mark Ed, he became scared to do also what? So guess what? He was scared to go to the basket because he didn't want to get fouled. He didn't want to get fouled. He didn't want to get fouled. This is a contact sport. It's a, now I'm going to see you to the foul line. Oh, so we don't want to see again.

And that's, guess what? That's our, yeah. Mentally they are, they, they already, they're already beat mentally before they even get to the game. So you can't even play the game freely because there are certain parts of your game you don't want to get exposed. You're already losing before you even play. I just thought Ben Simmons didn't work hard enough on his game. It's hard because I see guys, look at Austin Reeves. Austin Reeves has gotten better and better. An undrafted free agent has gotten better and better and better and better.

It is hard for a guy to not get incrementally better if he or she doesn't work on something. You ought to get- I'm not saying you fit a- I'm not fitting to say the guy about to be Michael Jordan or Kobe, but you can get better. Go back and look at Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons didn't get better in nothing offensively. As a matter of fact, number one down. Also the two comparing the two awesome reads has no choice, but to get better. Awesome. Reads had no choice, but to improve. Also Reaves already behind the eight ball in general as a basketball player.

Ben Simmons was six, what Ben Simmons. Six 10 put the ball on the floor. Shoot, he can't shoot that well. He can defend. So there's a difference in also reads having to bust his ass to get to the point where he's at right now. See what you said? You see what you said?

Yes. So Ben Simmons can't have the number one pick. It felt that you know what? I ain't got to bust my ass. No. Exactly. Which is which goes to my point. It's hard not to get incrementally better if you work at something.

Right. If I can't, if I only collect one can a year, Ocho, in 50 years, I'm gonna have 50 cans as opposed to not collecting any. I go two or three years and don't collect any. Guess what I'm gonna have? Nothing. Nothing?

And that's the thing. It's hard for me. There is no way six foot 10 can handle LeBron. He can defend like four or five positions. He can guard a smaller point guard. He can guard a two or three or four. When I look at Ben Simmons, I know chat don't get on me like this,

but I see Ben Simmons, he should have been Jason Tatum before Jason Tatum. He should have been LeBron. He should have been Jason Tatum before Jason Tatum. He should have been LeBron. He should have been a bigger LeBron Magic Johnson because that's what he was. He's a point guard. He's a six foot 10 point guard. And he can facilitate like crazy. That's what he should have been. Like crazy. Yeah. And he can defend. Yeah. I mean that's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. Some of the biggest busts of all time in NBA history. And we use that term when we say busts, obviously you get to the NBA, there's a success.

But when you are the first overall pick, you're supposed to be franchise altering. Anthony Bennett. Who Lord have mercy for the Cleveland Cavaliers. Greg Oden. Greg Oden I think would have been successful had his knees not gave out on him. Yeah, the injuries, right, right. My homeboy from Savannah, Purvis Ellison,

his knees gave out on him. Markel Spoke, but he had a knee injury and a shoulder injury. He tried to change his shot, but it just didn't work. But I wish the young man the best of luck. He can't be no more than what? 26, 27 tops. Cause he got to be like the same, or 26. So he's still a, hopefully young fella can, uh, get a couple of, get a couple of years.

Stick, get an opportunity, get some playing time. Cause I've seen them, I've seen them, you know, have good games, just not consistent. Right. I mean, I'm seeing it. I think I saw him one game, he had a triple double, um, had like 20 something. But playing at the pro level, being a starter, it's all about consistency. That's what it's about. Yeah.

Cause any guy don't want to give it, any of those 450 players on a given night. Let me take that back to not, not the top. Let's just say the top 75 players. We know what they can do, but the other two 50 can give you hell on a given night. The problem is they can't be consistent like the other 75, the top 75 can. That's what separates. It's all about consistency. The restaurants that do the best best, what are they? They're consistent. The service, the quality of the food, the hospitality, consistency. That's what it's all about

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