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today that players who return to college will not be permitted to return to the NFL during the
2020 2020 season according to adam shepter a player signed to an NFL contract who subsequently
cut is a free agent he may sign with another NFL or the CFL or return to college but that
player is considered a free agent and will not be subject to future draft so in other words
you go back to college guess what you can't go back in the draft and get drafted again
And if I'm not mistaken, the Big Ten and the SEC rule that players that went to the NFL are not allowed to come back to college.
Dang.
So guess what that mean, Joe, if you get cut, you better work your ass off to try to get on somebody else practice squad.
Because, boy, you were in purgatory.
You ain't in heaven, you ain't in hell, but you just, just.
Yeah.
I like that.
I like that they put that in place.
I love it.
I like that they put in place.
I think it's unfair.
If you don't make it in NFL, you don't make it in the NFL.
You don't need to be going back to college.
You need to sharpen your tools.
Shopping your toolbox, trying to make an NFL team.
For one, if I get cut, I'm asking my position coach
and my head coach, why did I get cut?
What do I need to work on to make another team?
How can I be an asset?
How can I be valuable if it wasn't to y'all
to someone else?
I'm working on my game.
That's just me if I was in that situation.
Son, that's why I couldn't be a coach at Joe
because if you asked me,
Well, coach, why did I get cut?
Son, you are as sorry as the last good day.
And you know Alaska day is the 24 hours.
That's how sorry you are.
Son.
See, Ocho all nice.
Ocho got the man and say, oh, yeah, if you go work on this right here,
hey, you go do this right here and you do that right there.
So you got a great chance of making the team.
No damn well, that man ain't got no chance in hell of making the team.
Ocho just lied.
That's it.
Listen, no, I'm going to be honest with it.
No, you're not.
You're not making the team, right?
This is what it comes down to, Joe.
It comes down to you being an asset and valuable.
How are you an asset and how do you become valuable, Joe,
because you can do one job better than somebody else.
Not only can you do it better than somebody else,
you can do it better than the next person consistently.
Yes.
We letting you go because you're inconsistent at what you do.
You're a liability.
I can't put you on the field because you don't,
not only do you not know what you're doing, you're really not good at doing it.
Yes.
Listen, this is how you cure it.
The NFL, the NFL and NCAA, they should have been done this, Uncle Ocho.
You can't let these dudes come back because they've seen how ugly this thing was about to get, too.
Would all these guys come back?
College coaches are going to start recruiting these NFL guys.
That's how bad it was going to get.
So I'm glad they put stipulations on it.
You can't come back to college and then reenter the draft.
So I think it'll solve a lot of the problems.
that's been going on with college football,
especially as of late,
because come on, man,
this thing is going to get real ugly.
Yeah.
Sure.
And I think the thing is,
that sometimes you just got to put your hand around
and say, son, you got your degree.
Well, you might be time, you know,
it might be time for you to think about something.
Because everybody ain't going to make it, bro.
Damn, what?
Everybody goes, oh,
even if you, even, even the most well-intended coat.
Yes.
Sometimes, you're like,
oh, and especially if you can't play,
special teams.
Yeah.
At least play the special teams,
Ocho, until you're able to,
you able to build up an offense or defense and get snaps there.
Yeah.
Some people love the game, huh?
I know, Ocho.
Some people love the game.
But listen, they can play arena,
they can play arena,
if you really love the game.
Yeah.
If you, CFL.
You might not, CFL.
And listen, if you can't,
if you can't make it down here.
UFL.
Hey, hey, hold up, though.
Them leagues.
Them leagues ain't no sloppters, though.
Okay, Ocho.
No.
What, Joe, the CFL?
What is it?
Hey, um, I kid you not.
Look at me, you know, I'm going to the CFL, right?
I'm going to, I'm, okay, Montreal gave me an opportunity.
I'm like, man, I'm going to go out here and do these boys in, Joe, and all?
You been to cook.
You been to cook, Joe, out of head.
I'm going to cook.
Joe, I get out there.
Boy, you're talking about a wake-up call.
You're talking about a humbling moment in general?
Joe, week to week, I'm seeing individuals down there in the CFL.
Like, bro, what are you doing down here?
Like three or four dudes on every team, on every squad.
Ottawa, Toronto.
I'm like, Saskatchewan, why are y'all here?
It comes down to numbers.
It comes down to politics.
It's coming out of college.
You know, you didn't get the opportunity because of, you know, the red flags or whatnot.
Joe, the CFL ain't no joke.
And I tell you all the time, they shy away from it because the money ain't like the NFL.
Hell, nah.
That's the only reason they really don't understand.
Boy, I had to tie my shoes up tight, Joe.
I really had to go.
I don't know it like that.
Like, oh, my goodness.
It was, it was eye-opening because I didn't know what to expect
because I'd never been there.
I hadn't watched it before.
So I'm thinking, honestly, I'm thinking it's going to be easy.
Of course.
Man and boy, man and boy was out.
They gave me that word.
You played the highest level, Ocho, and you feel that CFL is a step down.
So you feel if you dominated at this, I go down to here.
Joe, I'm gonna cook.
He foods.
Oh, got a fish.
Got a fish over here, Joe.
Don't let him off the line.
The one thing, if you hook a fish, what you do, Joe?
You can't let him loose.
Holy, hold him.
Don't let him off.
That's dinner.
Couldn't fire it out.
Hey, he fishing for you.
Oh, I got me a fish up here.
This was a rule.
I don't know why the SEC took so long to ban players.
They go to the NFL and then try to come back,
because the Big Ten,
was ahead of the curve, big 10 and say,
nah, don't y'all take y'all that.
Y'all go to the NFL.
We wish y'all nothing but the best,
but you ain't gonna bring your ass back here
and play no sports.
Yes, sir.
You're not gonna play, you're not gonna play no sport.
Talk about, I had another year.
Nah, nah, you should have thought about that.
You should have your ass in school.
You had another year, you should stay your ass in school.
You're not gonna go to the league,
get canned up there and then bring your ass,
trifling ass back down here.
No, hell no.
I'm glad they did this, bro.
This is, hey, this was much needed.
Hey, hey, hey,
the offense,
starting hitting the NFL guys,
my damn self to send them back to Arkansas.
I'll see if they're going to play for the Razor back,
huh?
They get us right.
We're in the SEC.
We're in the best conference.
Come on, man.
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
Okay.
And the thing is, though,
but I'm glad,
hey, look, you can't get redrafted.
You can't bring your ass back down here.
So, hey, figure it out.
And that's what you should have to do.
I mean, being an adult is not easy because life happens.
Life starts lifing.
And you have, it's just like when you get, let's like, you graduate from college.
You can't, you don't get to go back.
Oh, I, I ain't get this job.
Let me go back to college.
You can go back, but you're going to pay.
Hello.
Hey, figure it out.
That's all the part about being an adult.
when I was a kid, I couldn't wait.
I used to tell my girl, I can't wait to get grown.
Yeah, my grandma said, yeah, I can't wait until you get grown either.
And then all of a sudden, you realize you've got to pay bills.
You got a lot of responsibilities.
Now all of a sudden, I ain't want to be grown.
I tell my kids all the time, okay.
Ooh, I can't wait.
I can't wait.
Okay, I can't wait either.
Then they come back, ask for something.
I thought you couldn't wait to get grown.
You're grown.
Grown people don't come back and ask them.
I'm a grown people for money.
What do they do that in?
When the bill jump down on your hair,
hey, well, you need a little help.
You have to, hey, it's a little different.
Hey, that's what I tell him, Joe.
Oh, hold on, you grown, though.
You grown, you grown when it comes down,
you don't like the rules that I'm implementing.
You grown.
Now all of a sudden, hey, daddy, now you're looking all mobile.
You ain't grown, you're a kid.
You know I'm just a child, dad.
Whoa, whoa, damn.
You Benjamin Button right here?
Man.
Joe, Joe, like, hey, okay, I know exactly what you're talking about.
Hey, it's a rude.
It's awakening for a lot of kids, bro, at that age, you know.
You get 17, 18, 19.
You get in college, Yon-Ocho.
Hey, man, everybody ain't going professional.
There's only a 1% of cats who are going to do that.
So you're going to have to find something else that you enjoy doing.
that you can make a living doing or you're gonna be yeah doing something that you
that you that your ass hate and you don't want that be a be able to be oh my god yeah
but you know some people got to do it though on the judge somebody got something it's a
bunch of yeah yeah the hard pill to swallow especially if your your your dream especially
at the child is the one to play at the highest level in the NFL and the harsh
and the harsh reality that you're not going to make it.
You've got to have a plan B.
You've got to have a plan B if you're playing in.
You're playing they don't work.
I see some people, they prolong it.
They keep trying.
They keep trying.
I love the people that have the energy to hold the signs up outside of the stadiums,
hoping they can get an opportunity.
Just bring me on.
And I wish they would allow those people that want to do it so bad.
Allow them to give an opportunity to do it so they can see how far away they are
from really being able to make a team.
So you could actually see how good those dudes really are.
It ain't what you think it is.
I don't think they understand it unless they're in that atmosphere and on that field
and get the opportunity to see.
Yeah, I'm not ready, even though I think I am.
You're not.
You're not as easy as it is watching from TV.
You're not going to make that play.
You're not going to make that catch.
It's funny how I be listening to people.
Oh, you should have did this.
Oh, you should have did that.
Oh, you really?
You think so.
What are you?
man. Okay. It's hard. Yeah. Because I think the thing is that people, people see
man, you don't look that big. I mean, you look like a normal. Okay. I am. But I guarantee you,
you can't get out there, get your ass on that feeling, do what I do. Even though you just as big as I
am, just as muscle up just like I am, okay. Take your ass out there if you want to. Hey, that's what
what you're trying to explain.
What'd you try to explain? I'd be trying to tell Joe. I'd be trying to tell Joe.
Listen, you six, seven, six, eight, six nine, but listen, it's one thing that I got.
What's it?
That you ain't got, boy.
And what's that you got to get to get?
But that dog, what?
I got the, you heard me barked before?
No, I ain't heard you, bro.
Huh?
Hey, hey, hey, Ocho.
Hey, oh, when we do that one-on-one and just shooting, right, we like no dribbling, no take any more.
Hey, you do nothing, just letting threes go, wherever you want to go.
the corner three okay you on the side three you on the top of the key three whatever three
you want okay okay okay so we ain't we ain't gonna go midi first and then go to the three you can do
how you want to do y'allel we can play on uh uh it ain't it don't it don't even matter because soon
i pull up to the gym i'm in range partner it don't even matter soon as i pull up to the damn
i'm in range yeah so you were in trouble from the jump it's a lose lose for you
hey oh oh hold on hold on joe hold on joe hold on let me tell you something when it comes
to competing it ain't never lose lose to me you hear me now when you're talking about shooting
i don't care i don't care i listen i respect what you did in the nba joe i respect it i'm
telling you i respect it i respect you i don't stole your moves i just showed you your moves and
i got i got too much in my bag homie like this shit there's like you probably was in chapter two
or something this thing i got 30 chapters in here boy huh joe i ain't see you got chapters
that mean your book finished joe i'm still writing when he comes hey hey hey hey
When they come to shooting, when they come to shooting their pig skin,
okay, Ocho, at first, I'm going to go on handling you in front of everybody in Prairie
view.
I'm going to put on the show for you.
And then somehow, some way, I'm going to make my way to unc.
And I'm, I'm going to, oh, yeah, yeah.
I'm going to put that jump on him.
And I'm going to take that little back, that little Louis V basketball he got over there.
I'm going to make sure that's over here.
I already got a Mount Ford and everything.
So I'm going to have some memorabilia.
From mess with y'all, I got some stuff playing boy.
I got yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hey, see, I like your plan.
You had a great thing go.
You was going.
I was listening to you.
You was courteous.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The courtesy.
And you was talking about the mean demonstration.
You could let out of an Ocho and then all that fell flat.
When you're talking about I got some up to.
I didn't tell not one lie.
You hear me?
Everything got said, it's going to happen.
After what you said about Ocho, it's a lie.
You do I got stuff for, oh.
Hold on.
What you mean after what he said?
What he said about me is a lot, too.
Yo, you ain't never got beat by a cowboy, boy.
I'm going to whip you in cowboy boots and some skinny jeans.
Hey, chat.
And ringles.
I just want y'all to be, I want you all to really be in tune.
Because what I'm going to do to this young man, hey, it's going to be murder.
It's going to be murder, partner, murder.
You sound like you're nervous, too.
Josh Allen speaks on the difference between playing on grass
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Yeah, I think grass is healthier for our bodies.
I'm to a point in my career now
that when we practice inside on the art
I can feel it the next day, you know, and move out there, I feel great.
And I think any guy that was honest would tell you that's how they feel.
So one, I think it's healthier injury prevention.
I've gotten numerous, numerous burns on my legs from artificial turf,
like to the point where I can't sleep at night because it's bubbling over and it, like,
it's very painful.
So I decided to not have to deal with that at home at least.
I know we still probably will play games on the road that are turf,
but if I can snap my fingers and make every field grass,
that's what I would do for sure.
Oh, Joe, you remember you used to sleep and you getting them burns
and you wake up and that sheet's stuck to you, Ocho.
Talk to you, yeah.
I remember that.
I remember that.
That's a part of it, man.
Listen, that's a part of the game.
I mean, what have we become?
Not understanding injuries, people complain about the injuries,
oh, the ACF,
Yeah, but listen, people are still tearing the ACL and everybody's practicing on grass.
Huh?
Correct me if I'm wrong, right?
It's training camp.
Everybody practicing on grass.
People are still getting hurt.
You know, the constant dialogue about, you know, turf.
I understand.
I understand.
And I'm not the one to be able to have this conversation with Uncle Joe because I have no place,
being that I never got hurt, whether I played on turf or whether I played on grass.
So my opinion really shouldn't matter.
Those that have played on turf and have gotten hurt, their opinion matter more than mine.
What's under the turf?
They got those, they got a field turf, Joe, they got them pellets.
Those little, it's like rubber.
It's like they cut up tires and stuff and they small little rubber pellets.
Okay.
Little rubber beads.
Okay.
Okay.
I'm just trying to figure out why has it hurt so bad playing on the turf versus the grass.
But that grass, that grass forgiven.
It's so nice and cushioning it.
It's just like, oh, Joe, when you look.
Growing up, you like playing on that grass.
There's something about that grass.
Yeah. Hey.
Man, you know the Ocho.
See, Ocho looks to play it on Seaman.
He don't know no better.
He played football on Seaman when he was a kid.
He played on the basketball court,
catching football, running into the cars and all that stuff.
Hey, Joe, we played in the middle of the street.
We did.
No shoes.
Tangle?
Joe.
Now, the only time, the only time, yeah, throw a tackle.
And the only time you stop,
when there's a car coming.
Everybody say free.
Yeah.
move to the car pass.
So I'm, you know, I'm used, I don't know, though.
I'm not the right one to ask because I think, I don't know what,
I want to stop because I don't want to say the wrong thing.
You know what you don't want to say?
The players and got too soft.
How about this?
How about this?
The cold weather cities, you go ahead and go with grass and let me see what you do in November
December or going to January.
What you're going to do then?
If you ain't got those heating coils, you ain't got no chance.
chance because the ground going to freeze. And plus the thing you to look to make a long story
short and I don't want to make it, I don't want to make it long. I'm going to make a short story
long. I'm not going to do that. The money because it costs money, Joe, because after about
six weeks, the field going to be torn up and you're going to have to put new grass down and
it help hope for the grass grow and you hope it take. Or you're going to be dealing with a situation
like Pittsburgh.
Because the problem with Pittsburgh is that they play the pit home games,
the pit, panther, the college team, they play in that stadium also.
They told that thing.
It'd be terrible.
I haven't been told you.
It'd be terrible.
But that was the advantage for the Steelers back then.
Yes.
Their field.
Their field was beat up.
But that was their advantage because offensively, it was very tough, you know,
to run your offense where you play the Steelers and you play them
Hines Field.
Right.
I mean, they running the ball with the bus coming that man.
Shoot.
Trying to kick.
Man, good luck.
But the thing is, guys, look, how bad players, NFL players, how bad do you want
turf goal?
Because we know the owners want one thing more than anything else.
They want that 18th game.
This is an opportunity.
Negotiate.
Negotiate.
We want grass fields.
the franchise tag gone
transition tag
gone and one more thing while we're at it
full time
full time medical benefits to anybody that played
at least five years
see that's why they need me as the president
oh how about this oh we do okay how about this
10 years you get lifetime benefits
five years you get 10 year benefits
how about that on Joe
10 years you get you
get lifetime medical benefits.
If you played at least five years, you get 10 years of medical.
Boy, hey, there's going to be some cats trying to hold on, ain't it, man?
You think it ain't when they will?
Hey, it's going to be some cats trying to squeeze five, boys.
Five in football, that's hard, Uncle Ocho.
Yeah, I consider the average length is three.
Try to get them benefits, man, lifetime benefits, bro.
telling you I'm very fortunate everybody is not as fortunate everybody didn't make the money that
I made everybody didn't have the after career NFL career that I had so I'm able to afford
life health insurance and things of that nature but boy can you imagine if you had to pay for hips
man hips with $103,000 a piece what yeah hell yeah oh well hold on you did both sides I got bilateral
absolutely
$200,000 hip, why they're still operating.
You know what I said?
Mean demonstration.
Hey, hey, you say, so when you go to the gym,
do you hip thrust, you did the hip thrust machine?
Oh, you do enough of that at home?
Yeah, you know, I do a little, yeah.
I mean, the cover, the cover's pretty heavy.
So you know, I get up on the cover,
the cover's pretty heavy.
That's a weight right there, Joe.
Okay.
What I do is I go get me one of more 45-pound plates,
put it on top of the cover, slide up on up under there.
I just go to the opposite way.
go like this right here it is it is a damn $20,000 hip
where it is it just imagine if you have if you have a debilitating disease or
something you have some of these disease man you know what it called what it
costs to get health insurance especially now they can't kick you off of it
I mean I don't know if it's still like that chat y'all have to tell me is that
you had if you had a pre-existing condition before they used to have
if you had a pre-existing condition, they can kick you off or they jack it up.
Insurance is already high.
Now you got a pre-existing condition.
Man, your premium triple.
You pay it $2,500 a month.
That thing might go to $7500 a month.
Man, there ain't a whole lot of people that can afford out there can pour $9,000, you know,
$75,000, $90,000 a year for health insurance, medical insurance.
Man, ain't a whole lot of people out there can afford that.
That's what putting people in the poll house.
Yes, some have made bad decisions,
but some of this is medical.
And so I wish these guys
become shrewd negotiators and say,
look, y'all want this.
Y'all want this 18th game.
We know y'all want that more than anything.
We want some things too.
As a matter of fact, we want some things
because we didn't get exactly what we wanted
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So we want to backtrack.
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Denver unveiled a new menu item at Empire Field at Mile High called the Beast in a Blanket.
It's a two-foot grill hot dog with barbecue biscuit burnt ends, goat cheese, sharp,
cheddar, puff pastry, crispy onions, jalapeno slices, avocado cremah, and mile high secret sauce.
Ocho, tear that up right there.
Ocho, eat that whole thing, Joe.
Hey, hey, listen, eat that just like that.
But listen, I'm taking all, I'm taking all the presentation.
Yeah, yeah, I, I, I, I don't know.
I don't eat it.
I don't eat it.
Is it bread on?
No.
Yeah, that's a puff pastry.
It's a pastry.
Yeah, yeah.
Hey, Joe.
What, what is that?
In Denver Empire Field.
You go, you go, you go, you go to.
the town on there, Otto?
Yeah, absolutely, Joe.
In matter of fact, what I do, I'll break it a head
because it looked, it looked kind of,
it looked long.
Hey, hey, that thing, it just,
it looked long as two foot.
This is just going to have your whole stomach hurting, boy.
No, it ain't, Joe, you know, I'm used to that, Joe.
So you just want to eat it wrong.
You just go eat the, oh, so you just go eat the hot dog.
Yeah, with the bun, yeah.
Well, that's what I always do.
Joe, you heard what you said,
you told you go throw all that stuff
way he just won't the whole hot dog yeah that's that what that's what that's a
that's what that's a two bro that's two foot my boy yeah what's wrong with that
no that's that's like maybe three three yeah that's quibbiting of three hot dogs
like yeah I love you know I like well I love me some hot dogs yeah yeah I'm good
you can have no no sir no you know I ain't ashamed of hot dog but that that
probably have my stomach hurt and I ain't gonna lie to you
You know, I had to watch what I eat when I'm ashamed.
I don't eat the hot dogs.
I ain't, you know what?
I'm going almost 30 years when I eat hot dogs.
I'm good.
I'm good.
I'm straight.
Hey, what's I used to do?
Oh, you said 30 years.
Okay.
30 years.
I can see that.
Yeah.
Joe, you got to realize.
Right, right, right, right.
I got you.
I got it.
Yeah.
My bad.
Nah, that's too much.
And then all that stuff.
But I can't, I can't, I don't like onions.
I don't like jalapeno slice.
license I can't man what you're talking about stomach on five yeah that boy that boy got
some acid in his stomach or something on it is I'm talking about it bringing it down
so they call him gator because you know a gator can eat anything ain't a gate to
car battery you know gator eat anything it on nothing hurt you hey you know catfish
too yeah no good what about catfish yeah I eat catfish yeah I eat caffeine what I'm saying
They're cut.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, they bottle feet.
Yeah.
You need that.
Mm-hmm.
And I, Joe, I think that's why I never get,
I never get sick.
I never had food, poison, you know,
no, thank God, because because I eat everything
and because I always eat everything.
You heard it, Joe?
You heard it right now.
And you grew up drinking out there damn water holes, too,
then you man.
Hey, Joe, I don't know, I'm drinking out of the water holes too.
Yeah, we all did.
We could go back out.
Once we went outside, once Brandon sent us outside
to play, you could bring your ass
back into the house until it was time to eat lunch.
And when you went out there after lunch,
you couldn't bring your ass back in the house
until it was time to eat.
They called it supper.
We called it.
They called it supper dinner.
You couldn't bring you.
You couldn't be running out.
Boy, stay in out.
You let, hey, you let the flies in and you let that air out.
Boy, look, they didn't play that.
No, we let the fly as well.
The thing is, we had that screen dojo.
You know, the screen already hanging off.
Flies coming in anyway, Grant.
I hate to break it to you.
They don't need me the open door.
They already got a few weight right over the top of that screen.
But we don't know Ocho eat it.
They all right.
They don't even shaving them before Ocho.
You know what?
He's built up a tolerance to where he's immune to a lot of these things.
So a lot of stuff that a normal person probably couldn't eat Ocho, you got that,
you got their stomach like one of them, yeah, like, yeah, like, I'll say, one of them gaitles or stomach like that with all that.
It's acidic stuff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
You got this, yeah.
Joe, the man don't even ask him to shave no more.
No.
Shave who?
That what I'm saying, Joe.
You know what he told him?
You know, I used to eat lollipops off the carpet.
Oh, I said, what?
Yeah.
Hey, hey, Uncle Joe, I know y'all played the three second rule in high school now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You can play three second rule.
Yeah.
Say, listen, somebody, yeah.
Somebody knocks a food at your hand and hit the flow.
You get that thing in three seconds.
what it is, don't know what, depending on what it is.
It ain't, yeah, it don't matter what it is.
Now, I like, no, no, no, no, I'm good, Joe.
I'm good.
Now, see, see, my immune system has so much practice,
that's why I can eat anything.
We already know.
And you do.
From you can and he can and he will.
From the root of to the tutor, huh?
All the way back.
Hey, hey, from the north to south.
Huh?
And if you side, it's from east to west.
Hey, hey, but, but,
It don't make you no bad brother because that's how you get down.
I mean, you know.
It just makes me don't eat behind you or drink behind you.
That's all that make me not do.
That's fine.
Hey, you know, it's cool.
It's cool.
Y'all don't know what you're all.
Y'all.
Because back in the back of the day, Joe, we grew up.
Hey, somebody dranking a cup of water.
You got a little bit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, you knock it down.
Not now.
Oh, boom.
No, sir.
Ain't no way between here and the pillantetry.
I'd rather go.
I'd rather do six days in the county and drink a couple water behind that man.
I tell you what, that means more for me.
That's fine.
That's more for me.
I ain't got to work on.
Chad, I know y'all ain't drank it behind him.
Ocho, one of them type, when he take his sip, he leave with his tongue.
He leave with his tongue.
He'd leave his tongue.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm a joke.
What are you supposed to leave his tongue?
No.
No, Joe.
Oh, see, I'm saying, Ocho, that's what I'm talking about.
What are y'all doing?
Backwash.
I mean, half, I mean, you don't even know what half?
Is it water or backwash?
Oh, man.
Come on, man. Come on, man.
He's Drake, look at it.
Look at it when he drank a ball of water.
That much of a phone on the top.
And then the water part of the bar.
And you think I'm better, yo.
Oh, no.
I could never.
You got to leave with your tongue.
You hear me?
See you look at it, Joe.
Hey, listen.
It don't surprise me.
I already know how the boy get down.
Hey, listen.
Y'all, y'all rookies, man.
I'm cool.
I really don't understand the concept.
Me too, I'm undrafted rookie.
I got you.
They don't want me on the jeez.
Nah, I'm good, Ocho.
But you know what, I can have him,
I could have him whip that up for you.
What?
That hot dog at about a high.
Well, you know I ain't fin to be all the way
I didn't Denver, that's too far.
It ain't too far.
Man, that's a five-hour flight.
That's a five hour flight.
Anything, first of all, when you at the bottom, anything is a five hour flight.
Coming from the Yale.
Everything.
Everything is five hours on show with you that part at the bottom.
Yeah, I feel you were, you know, I'm a, I'm not a, I'm a like football, but I ain't really going to no Broncos game, you know, unless the bangles coming out there to whoop on y'all or something like that.
Man, you know, last time y'all was out there what we did to y'all, though.
Whatever.
I have a question.
Did Joe Burrow play?
It would have been the same thing.
No, absolutely.
So you're, so another word,
Oh, Joe, you want that, you want that wrong.
What?
Who?
You want the hot dog.
You don't want anything on it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You don't eat that?
Yeah, without all that.
Look at all that stuff.
That's, that's about presentation and just,
that's unnecessary.
I don't need all that.
How much it does that?
How much it cost?
I bet it a thing, huh?
Probably probably $2 at least.
I was thinking $20.
Oh, no.
You think so, Joe?
25.
If the Marines, boy, that dude, that fool would be high.
That damn thing probably $40.
No, hell no.
Man, there's nobody about no $40 a hot dog.
I'm telling you, I'm telling you.
I say $25 tops.
Two foot long?
Nah, yeah, probably about $25.
You know a hot dog by $11.
Man, you see how they dress that thing up?
man they for what they're going to tax you for that
you're going to see
3795
oh okay
50 balling for a hot dog
I told you
oh no
y'all got to understand
baseball cooking with real grease
they ain't those ain't playing
but hey that's fine
and you know what that's what we ought to do
I tell you what we ought to do what we ought to do
we ought to go to stay we are
for the next nightcap outside
we go to stadium and try different
different food. Ocho, you got all the hot dogs.
Okay, I like that.
Joe and I, we'll try something else.
Whatever the specialty is there, Ocho got the hot dog.
So if y'all got a hot dog, Ocho got that.
But what's you call them, the Dodger got the Dodger dog,
which is a two-fit dog, the hot dog be sticking out the end of the bun, Joe.
Yeah, yeah, I like that.
I like that.
Hey, listen, you know what?
Hey, hey, hey, the one thing, hey, the one thing I like about you, man, you embrace it.
You ain't even tripping.
You know what I mean?
He's like, well, I'm going to eat me a glizzy.
And that's just what it is.
Yeah.
It's when you try to hide it.
It's when you try to hide.
Like if uncle's back there eating the glizzy, when he's always talking about him mess with glisies, then we'll get on.
No, no, no, no.
But the fact that Ocho.
No, you won't find a, but you.
Ocho, Ocho, a well-known glizzy eater.
I mean.
Glyzy Gawler.
You know, they got the green gobler and the spider man.
He's the next, he's the next villain, his father man, to give it the glizzy gobler.
Yeah.
They got a suit already picked out.
It's hot dog.
It's hot dog, man.
They're looking like a hot dog, man.
Everybody's scared to living their truths, man.
I ain't got no problem, man.
I wear it on my shoulders.
Hey, well, that's what I'm happy for you, okay.
I wear pride.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
But guess, guess what we get to?
When we go to these county fairs and they got this, this penis, this old bull and onions.
And Ojole got to take that knife and cut it, Ocho.
Yeah.
I'll tell you all right now, man, I'm probably going to call Earl that day.
I'll just keep it real.
That's what we call it, call it.
That's fine.
Call him.
That's going to be better for camera.
See, see, my enzymes in my stomach ain't like Ocho.
Ocho can eat anything.
You know what I mean?
his stomach going to digest it.
Hell, my stomach ain't going to digest some of this stuff.
I'm just going to keep it real.
That's okay, Joe.
That's okay.
Joe, hey, Joe, because your stomach can't digest it,
that don't make you no bad.
Hey, you're going to fire.
You're going to try.
Some amodium, something like that, Joe.
And I'll act like he's just going to be okay without that.
Man ain't going to be going to be to eat that stuff neither.
You're talking about something you used to eat back 30 years ago.
Hell, your stomach don't work like that no more neither.
Guess what, Joe?
You got the vaccine for the measles.
You ain't never had them.
You got the vaccine for the chicken pox in smallpox.
I don't build the pathologist to it.
My body already knows how to handle it.
Okay.
You're the first thing you're like, oh, my goodness.
Yeah.
I'm going to say, oh, my goodness.
If y'all look like y'all enjoying it too damn much, yeah, I'm like, oh, my God, this man is really enjoying it.
This man is really going to town.
This man going for seconds.
Oh, my God, he's going for seconds.
Yeah.
No, no, no, no, they ain't going for no, what time of the door?
Come back here.
A little vice and dumb.
Ain't gonna be no second helping.
So, wrong glisie.
Ain't nothing like it.
We already know Ocho try anything though.
Yeah.
You need a friend like Ocho, Joe.
But take one.
You need an Ocho.
Everybody needs a friend like Ocho.
If you ain't got you one,
get you an Ocho for a friend.
He'll take one for the team.
Hey, you got one like a little.
Two.
Uh, take one who?
Okay.
It depends on the situation.
All right.
Back of the day when he was like 17 and 18, it didn't matter.
Oh, Joe, man.
What you look like?
Hey, you ain't got nothing no better than that?
Nah.
Nah, that's not.
Yeah, that's a, yeah, Joe.
Hey, Joe.
No, that's the best, that's a friend, man, but she's cool, man.
Cool, man.
Cool, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
All right, just one time.
And then guess what?
All right, it's the last time.
I don't did this about 10 times.
Hey, Joe, you got to make them feel special, Joe.
Huh?
She ate, Joe, she'll be about a four.
I got, I have a violation.
Hey, hey, if you don't get a friend occupied,
she gonna be hating on you all night.
She'll be hating on y'all night.
You gotta get her squared away.
So you're right.
You need you, you need that guy on your squad.
You can be like, hey, bro.
I need you tonight, bro.
I need it.
Yeah.
You need that one homeboy to tell her you ugly, I'm ugly, let's go have some ugly sex.
That's all you need.
You need that one homeboy that's like that.
I know I'm ugly.
I'm ugly.
Come on now.
You know damn well you're ugly too.
I don't know who you should.
Come on now.
Oh, sir.
Hey.
Come, we y'all all in the car together, how many times the guys come talk to you?
That's all you need to know.
need to know. We're all in the car together. With this four or five of y'all together.
How many in these four guys?
Two guys trying to talk to the best looking one.
That's for sure. The other two, okay.
You last one out. So come on. Now stop playing.
But you know, 1718. Yeah, you weren't playing back then, were you?
Yeah.
What? Joe. I already know, Joe.
No, see, they, most of the time, they see me not.
They see the finished product, you know. Right now, you know, you know,
No, I ain't, I ain't, I ain't no slouts.
Hello.
Oh, 1718?
Man, stop.
Yeah, I don't look.
I ain't never been no model.
But I tell you what, I was always an athlete.
And the athlete, two things.
Athletes and musicians could always get women.
If they can't do nothing else.
Because why?
Who got the bad, who got the bad looking with?
Rockers.
Lenny Kravitz still got him.
Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Mick Jagger.
All the old rockers still got them, the rock band, the punk bands, the kisses, the, all those guys.
The foreigner, the journeys, got them.
Hey.
I'm talking about bikini models, Victoria Secret models, all of them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Go look at those Victoria Secret models and see who they married to.
Athletes are the same thing.
They want them jocks, don't they man.
Yeah, yeah.
Now make you know bad.
And oh, your shipment junk came in, Ocho.
We're talking about Rose Parks.
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I'm sorry, Ocho.
I was supposed to say that.
My bad.
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Hey, they are.
I need to run there.
I need to run that load.
I need to run that little ya I mean you know I mean I need to run that little yeah
okay I need to double back one time right okay yeah no more say no more damn damn
Joe you know so I just need your business man that's all I need you do just stay out my
business yeah you know what I'm trying to talk to up and discreet
you know what I'm saying hey I got to throw me out there damn hey Joe hey Joe
hey Joe like use some of them toys now I
Come on.
Adlerosa, he just need the package.
Joseph, if he needs a package, you don't need all that other stuff.
Nah, no, I'm cool.
I'm cool.
I'm cool.
I see what you got going.
You know, you got a good thing going.
You know, you share your toys to, you know, everybody in chat and you know, everybody.
But man, I just, I just don't roll like that, partner.
I just don't, you know what I mean?
Like, I don't get down like that, man.
Yeah.
Oh, Lord, he doesn't care.
You don't want our camera with Joe.
Ain't tell you what this man coming.
back with you. Hey Joe, you got to least get this one Joe.
And oh, tell me something. So this, I put this around her neck.
Oh, is that the ball that going on a mom Joe? Show me how to go.
Oh, Joe. It goes to the mom. That's the ball.
I can't put it in my mouth, but you know, Joe got like this.
So I mean, it's your head. Show us how it go.
Nah, this was this.
It's this was in her mouth. So I don't know. It might have been,
Hey Joe, it might have been.
Oh, man, come on.
I don't put it passing.
Oh, you know, you know, it work is, it work as that too.
You know, this can go on the back.
How when that's, when you got the whole little strap thing,
you put it's got the wrap on something.
Nah, Joe, you put, you start, put this.
What you mean?
Yeah, Joe, you ain't living, though.
Hey, hey, Joe, you see how they have the pigs.
They had a pig, they have the apple in the pig mouth.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's it.
Man, he got on his nose like.
like he bowled on the clown.
Yo, you got to, Joe, I'm telling you, man, add this.
You gotta ask them.
But what's the benefit of it?
Like you ain't telling me nothing like,
you just telling me you got like, help me out.
All right, I mean, use a little combo, right, Joe.
Use the combo.
Take this, put this right, and then blind,
blindfold your people.
Then take the rose spars.
That's a, that's a, that's a three piece.
You hear me, that's three piece.
You know, you got to take the rose far by the,
about about about the hour of four.
By the hour before.
Now, eat you a meal probably about two and a half hours.
The meal will be digested because you want all the excess blood.
You wanted to go in one location, one central location.
You wanted to poo.
Hey, I think I'm just going to, I'm going to go cold turkey.
I ain't going to eat so it can hit my bloodstream real quick.
Oh, man, Joe, come on Joe.
Now, see, you do it too much.
I'm going to be in a fastest state.
That way when I take it, that thing hit that bloodstream.
Ooh.
Yes.
Yeah, I can see you.
You can see me.
See right now?
See this, this, this is the moment.
You got to have awareness, though.
You can't see.
Yeah.
Yes. Yes.
I'm telling you.
Let me blind.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Yeah.
I'm telling you, Joe.
Joe, you have been on one of more crooked bridges?
Yeah.
Drop one of the row sparks in the water.
But, but what?
Hey, listen, I don't love those.
Talk to him.
But why would I, why would I wear the blindfo?
I don't get it.
Joe because they'd be sometimes Joe you with a blind flow they'd be touching you with a
other yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah they'll be yeah you know what you don't know with the next
spot they might kiss yes yes I ain't really hey Joe tell it get some candle wax Joe tell it get some
candle wax and pour to your navel like in your neighbor what they do yeah what they do
boy hey Joe it give you a little kid oh Joe I ain't really that spontaneous like
that but you know I try some stuff but I'm bad hey I ain't no they ain't my forte
bro you know damn Joe it's okay it's okay it's okay yeah so you ain't no no
no no no no no none of that man damn Joe what about what about what I
street tell me about it like you get some ice crush your crust crust crust ice
stuck on her toes no
ain't been no ain't never been no toe sucker neither oh joe ain't that what i tried to that see that
that would i draw the line now i i draw the line now sometimes we got to draw the line hey like
a too short say blow the whistle blow the whistle blow the whistle i'll go on the plate
that's what that's what the ice for is different no yeah but yeah unless you got some
oxtail gravy i could put over them toes i ain't sucking nothing
But the ice, the ice it gives you a different type enhancement.
Yeah.
I got the roast barks for enhancement for me.
Yeah.
I got you.
I'm just trying to help, man.
But Joe, I ain't really much.
I got that on you.
I appreciate that.
Okay, bet, bet, bet.
Bet.
Bet.
With Sunday's final cut approaching to finalize the NFL's 53 man roster,
speculation mounts over OBJ's spot on the Giants.
Here's what, uh, John Harrow.
had to say about OBJ's camp performance.
What have you seen from Odell lately?
It seems like he's been making more catches and plays and practice.
Yeah, I think he's had a, I think Odell's had a good camp, you know,
but he's had, I would say, his best week of camp has come this week.
He's, he looks, he's looked good and made numerous plays.
And just like you saw it, even today, I made numerous plays.
So he's doing well.
OBJ has four receptions, 23 yards, zero touchdowns over two games in the pre-season.
season and with season ending injuries to Calvin Austin the third the giants are left with
malicayette neighbors malacowulfields darnel mooney Darius slayton and bractson barrios ohcho yes sir
just saying a guy that started his career with the career that obj had is now fighting for the
fifth and final spot hey oh man it sucks it sucks as we age it sucks you know for someone like
Odell, who is one of the greats at one point, especially the way he started his career.
And I think even if Odell is not the same Odell of old, an Odell that gets the opportunities to make plays can still be valuable.
He can still be an asset to that team.
I'm not sure how healthy Malik neighbors is going to be.
But if he can't go week one, I mean, you still have to have someone you can rely on.
Someone you can rely on or someone that you can go to that is proven.
O'Dell is proven.
I mean, when you look at the rest of the supporting cast,
how many of those players are proven?
I think if O'Dill gets the opportunities to make plays,
he can still make those plays,
even though he's not the same O'Dell in the past.
He still can make those plays.
So, I mean, that sucks.
The fact that he even has to be vying and lobbying
for the fifth receiver spot.
Amen.
He still getting an opportunity,
Ocho.
you know, he still gets a chance to go out there and compete for a position for a spot
to get back to being a New York giant.
I think it's just as we age, you know, the game that we love and that we've played since we were young,
bro, since we first start.
That desire and that passion to still be out there on the field, it never wavers, bro.
It don't matter if you're healthy, if you've been through injuries, especially when you love
compete.
And Odell seems like a guy who really loves to compete.
obviously it looks like he's got his body in some great shape
to where he's had a pretty good camp.
I mean, hell, he probably had a whole lot of targets
in these first two games.
But, you know, just to be out there catching a ball again,
just to be effective.
You know what I mean?
On the field, I'm sure, you know, he's been elated by that,
and I'm sure he will love to make this team.
And I think he still has an opportunity.
Yes.
That's one thing, man.
That's why you got to enjoy it and make the most of the opportunity
when you hear.
Because eventually we're going to age.
We're going to age out of sports.
It happens to us all.
No matter how bad we love it,
no matter how much we put into it,
no matter how much it gave,
it's going to take, it's going to give you back,
but eventually you're going to have to move on.
That's just the way the way the cookie crumbles.
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