Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: NFL top 5 receivers today, Coach Prime wants sons drafted, Micah Parsons

Episode Date: December 11, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from Week 14 of the NFL season including Unc and Ocho breakdown their top 5 receivers in today’s NFL, Deion “Coach Prime” Sanders tells Las Vegas Raiders Head Coach Antonio Pierce to draft his sons Shedeur and Shilo, Micah Parsons wants Mike McCarthy to stay on as HC in 2025 and much more! 03:10 - Who are the top 5 receivers in the game today? 05:43 - Coach Prime wants AP to draft the Sanders boys 10:30 - Micah Parsons wants Mike McCarthy to stay on 14:14 - George Pickens says he doesn’t know Greg Newsome 16:40 - Dak Prescott defends Mike McCarthy 20:52 - Bill Belichick interviews with UNC Tarheels 24:00 - Aaron Rodgers says he has nothing to prove 30:31 - Former NFL players give their take on the Azeez Al-Shaair hit (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Gene Michael said, hey Uncle Nojo, can you guys give me your top five receivers in order in the game today? Order, man, we need to think about that, bro. Right now you have to say Chase Jefferson. Hey, he don't get, hey, people want a discounting. I like Puka Nakua. I'm gonna put Puka in my top. I'm gonna put Puking my damn top

damn Yeah, he'll see I'm in raw Tyree no, or is it because he's had a yeah, he's been he's been he kind of been Nick this year No, or is it because he's had a down season? He kind of been nicked this year. Well, I think what hurt him is that two has been out. But you know what? Just because he's still Tyreek, I put him in there.

Yeah. Who you got? Yeah. That's tough. I mean, listen, my 1A, my one A, one B is Chase and Jefferson. Goddamn. AJ Brown, Tyreek, CZ Lamb. Now there's some other players that are on the fringe

that belong in that conversation as well. St. Amon Ross. Yeah. Who else? Who else are missing? I think Pickens is in that tier one. Pickens, he coming. He coming. He's coming.

He definitely coming. Yeah, he's in tier coming, he definitely coming. He's not doing one as well. Let's see, NFC, let's go NFC South. Mike Evans been hurt this year, but we can't, he been out a lot. Man, he's Mr. Consistent, man. Yeah, well, you know what, with the exception of Chase and Jeff,

it's been a quiet year for receivers, man. Them the only two that's consistently week in and week out. Now they had, Jetta had that streak where the defense said, we ain't giving you nothing. We gonna double, we gonna triple you. We gonna let Hawkinson, we gonna let Addison, we gonna let everybody else, we gonna double your ass. We gonna stop you.

No matter what. But other than that, it's kind of been a down year, except for those two guys. Coach Prime tells Antonio Pierce he wants the Raiders to draft the door and Shiloh. If the season ended today, the Raiders would have the number two pick. Time thinks the Raiders will be a Dior and Shiloh. If the season ended today, the Raiders would have the number two pick. Time thinks the Raiders will be a good spot for his son.

At an event in Las Vegas, Time told Pierce, you are truly the best. Now I need you to do one thing. I need you to draft those Sanders boys. I like it though. I like it. I like it, but I don't remember. It's very important the situation you go to.

Your supporting cast is very important that you have the tools around you at your disposal. You have the, huh? He got Brock Bowers. He got Brock. Brock is the real deal. Brock might be top three, top four, along with, is it McBride?

Did I say that right? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. And he might be top three or four. and I ain't talking about three or four. And I ain't talking about NFL now. We need more than Bowers. We need one more. Oh, for sure.

For sure. They got some good receivers. Not great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They got good. They got good quick feet guys. Just one. I'm talking about we.

Like I'm part of the damn Raiders. They just need one. They just need one. And he's not going to be a good receiver. They got great. They got good, they got good quick feet, you guys. Just one, I'm talking about we. Like I'm part of the damn Raiders. They just need one. They just need one and he'll be fine. Yep. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, look, I think it'll be a, look. It's gonna be very interesting to see how this thing shapes out. Jacksonville has two wins. I think the Giants have two wins. I think the Raiders have two wins. And at some point in time, they're like, you don't ever wanna show your fan base

that you don't really care about winning? I mean, because we wanna try to win, but we really try to lose. Now, Jacksonville, y'all ain't going to listen. Y'all can't Right. I don't know what y'all gonna do because you got Trevor. I just got a Trevor going nowhere anytime soon Exactly, uh You got a Giants in need of a quarterback desperately the Raiders need a quarterback desperately Yeah, there's several teams. Maybe somebody moves up

back desperately. Hell, there are several teams. Maybe somebody moves up to get, if you fall in love with somebody during the draft process, you put them on the board, you evaluate them, you study their tape, and you list, like, this guy is franchise altering. But it's gonna be very, very interesting to see this thing, how it shapes out Ocho.

But I do think Shadour's gonna be a very interesting to see this thing high-shapes out, oh, Joe But I do think should do is gonna be a very high pick. He's he's made himself some money He got coached. He got a coach back his office a coordinator this year Was an OC in the NFL? So he's pro ready His dad is a coach, you know, you like you like you like players, especially the quarterback position that dad is a coach, you know, you like you like you like players, especially the quarterback position that dad was a coach So he understands it he understands what it takes to be The mechanisms of everything that comes around comes along with being an NFL quarterback. You're the CEO. Yes, sir

Got to be buttoned up. Got to say all the right things. Do all the right things. It's more than just playing the position. Man, who cares? It's different. Stop it. It is. Just like if you're CEO. Tim Cook can't just do all their arm doing, willing in his stuff, even though Apple products are doing flying off the shelf. It doesn't work like that. There's a decorum. You know, you got to be very demure.

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I think it would be like a fair shot with everyone back, players, coaches, because the injury kind of struck of what this season could really be. The injuries have been terrible, and you know it really sucks. In terms of coaching, man, Mike, damn, you just said, nevermind no my coach Mike to me and his relationship has always been really good

He always took real good care of me and I just don't know how the the business side is going to go You know Jerry has his own mindset about who he wants to coach. This is his team I'm kind of like just a pawn in this business. Hold on, I thought a couple of weeks ago you said that... Hey. Never mind, Ocho. Players coming out in defense of their coach, their head coach, despite some of the things that they said in the past having to retract it and change their tune now in support of Mike McCarthy. Regardless of what any of the players say, in Jerry's

mind, his mind mind probably already made up Probably already made up, you know, he's gonna lie. He's gonna lie Mike We're gonna need to finish out the season, you know, and that came out and said it as well I wish I had some power when it comes to the decision-making he You don't Everybody knows that when anybody comes out and said, you know, yeah, it's it's good It's good good, good media relations, but knowing Jerry based on this season, regardless of the injuries or not, he cleaned the house. He's cleaning us.

If you understand the business in general, if you understand the cash and how that specific individual runs his ship. He's cleaning house. No matter what any player says. You're out. Joe, it's kind of like when a player know he's gone, the coaches know he gone, the player, what the coach say. I would love to have him back. He's been great.

He's a great player. We love, they're not going to say, nah, we want him gone. And just like players, it's, it's, it's so rare. I don't, I don't know if I've We love they don't say now we want him going and just like players It's it's a rare. I don't know if I've ever heard of oh, yeah, I want him going. I don't like him He's not a great coach. He's not a great at situations. He doesn't make any in-game adjustments He doesn't make you know quarter to quarter adjustment halftime adjustments. I've never heard a player say that So all this is just coaches field for me And you know, it's it, great PR, it's bad.

And they might sincerely want it back. But I don't know what's, what's, what were they supposed to say? Players always say everything that's politically correct in that setting. Nobody, there are very few, there are very few players that have ever been in NFL that actually voiced their opinion or saying what the fans are thinking or saying what we know is going on in the locker room and actually came out and said it.

There's only maybe one I can think of. My dog T. T let it be known. Whatever issues might be going on that the fans can see from the outside in but as a player You know, you're not supposed to say T gonna let you know the things that are going on inside You don't say about the elephant in the room. Oh, he's gonna let it be known. Why we losing? Hey, hey you heard heard, you heard Chase. Chase, don't ask me no questions. About getting the ball.

Ask the coach. About getting the ball. Ask that, I don't call plays. Yeah, right. Yeah, you say I don't call plays. Y'all asking me stuff. Now, y'all always tell me, hey, let the coaches coach. You just play. Now all of a sudden you ask me what can I get open on?

Oh, I'm gonna play. Hey, I love it coach, you just play. Now all of a sudden you ask me, what can I get open on? Oh, I'm gonna play. Hey, I love it. That's your job. Graeme Newsome, George Pickens doesn't know him. Or at least that's what the Steelers wide receiver says days away from the rematch with the Cleveland Browns. Steelers, week 12 loss to the Browns was punctuated by a scuffle between Pickens and Newsome during the game in Hail Mary Attempt.

Ask if he would talk to Newsom before the Sunday's game Pickens was dismissive. I don't even know who that is. The Steelers' third-year receiver said Friday, Pickens also doubled down on his post-game assertion that he did not think the Browns are a good team. I just go by the record, bro. After the game game Newsom called Pick is a fake tough guy and Friday he responded to Pick his latest comments and he was going to handle the trash talk Phil rematch. I'm all about team Newsom

said obviously he's a guy who cares more about himself and you can see that in the penalties he causes. For me my job is to try to do whatever I can to help my team win. There's never going to be a one-on-one battle for me. I like it. Five, five, five. I do too. Let's go. I need to see, listen, we lost Mike Evans

and Marshawn Latimore. We lost that. We lost Josh Norman and Odell Beckham. We lost that. I need this. I need this. So you want that, so you want that, you want that to I need this. So you want that, you want that to come back up. Red Newsom, I know you're a team player.

I know, I understand it. You know, team camaraderie, who-rah, who-rah, who-rah. Man, I need this. George Piggins, I need this. Keep it within the game. Keep it within the confinement game. Give me a show. It's hard though, Ocho.

Give me, I'm, I swear for God, I'm gonna give me some popcorn. I'm gonna kick my feet up and watch y'all go at it Sunday. Give me a show. Please. I beg of you. Hey, play hard, just don't get a pill in me. Don't do none of that. You know, get in, get in, hey listen, get in each other's face. Talk trash. You know, with pickets, when you catch a ball, you know, you hit that thing they be doing there. You know, Greg Newsome, you make a play,

you get up and you know, you do the sword, do the sword thing. Like, strap. Man, y'all get mad. I'm telling you, I beg of y'all, man. I don't really hear none of that politically correct bullshit about, no, I'm normal team plan. Give me a show I Pay you know how much I pay for NFL Sunday ticket, but you better give me something

That defended Mike McCarthy said I wholeheartedly believe in him that things McCarthy deserves another contract He also said he would help McCarthy McCarthy if it if he had more influence on the team's development. But McCarthy said he's confused by that comments. According to Clarence Hill, the Cowboys coach McCartney said he had the most input he's ever had as head coach. Oh Lord have mercy. Coach compared to Green Bay.

He is not sure what that meant by needing him influence on his terms. We know Mike McCarthy does not have no power. Thank you. He's a head coach in title only. For those that understand the game of football, for those who know about when it comes to being the coach of the Dallas Cowboys organization, but they're starting a helmet, there's one person that runs the show and it's not the head

coach and it's always, it's always always good that way you have no pool. You know exactly what that meant by the words that he said. Yes And I'm not I'm taking that what he said with a grain of salt because guess what he said He wanted Scott Lennon hand. He said he wanted Kelly Kelly Moore. He said he wanted Jason Garrett He said he wanted this one and he wanted that one. So What's he supposed to say? Nah, I want Mike, but I want another head coach. I want another play caller. Of course he's gonna say all the right things.

Because if you go back and check his track, track record, Ocho, he said the exact same thing about every offensive coordinator, about every head coach that he's had. I mean, you have to, you have to, he has to be PC. He's a quarterback, he's the face of the franchise no matter what. So he has to say they all have the right things. He's not letting him come out and go against, you know, his head coach. I mean, come on, Mike. I know it shouldn't, but I'm saying for him to say,

Mike, let me ask you a question. Do you have any say on the final 53? Do you have any say in free agency? Do you have any say in the draft? So if that's the case, so I'm just trying to figure out what do you mean you have some say? Wait, then you say he had more say, more control, more say than he had in Green Bay? Yeah, I disagree. Maybe, maybe Ocho, maybe at the end, maybe at the end he didn't have the same amount of say,

but it's hard for me to believe throughout his entire tenure that he had more say in Dallas than he had in Green Bay. You know what that get, right? Huh? Chop. That's what that get.

You know damn well. Well see, now by saying that, you know you take some of the onus off Jerry so we can't blame Jerry fully. So Jerry can say, oh, see, he would have done said that he has some say. Let's get his ass up out of here, cause we losing. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite,

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the interview. I mean, I don't know why y'all surprised by that. Coach Belichick seemed genuinely interest, interested in the job. Excuse me. At the age of 72, coach Belichick has no prior pre college experience. Oh, Joe, do you like coach Belichick going back? Uh, absolutely not. Absolutely not. I want, at some point I would love for Coach Belichick to get the most wins

as a head coach in the NFL and perhaps shoot look. And I can't get that done going to North Carolina. I think going to college, it's not a bad thing. But there's a disadvantage due to the competition level being the playing field being even because of NIL. I don't think Bill needs to get into that realm and that area where you're not really getting the players you need to have a winning season or actually to be able to compete at a high level. I would prefer Bill to stay with us inside the NFL until the right job comes to his, how do I say it, until the right NFL job comes. You know, the right one where he can continue to win and strive to get to reaching that goal of being the most, the most winningest NFL head coach ever.

head coach ever. I think, Oh Joe coach Belichick, it had to be a huge crush to his ego. You talking about the guy that's one six Superbowl and he ain't get none of the jobs, there was six or seven jobs that were available and he got none of them. Yeah. But the, the question though, think about this of those six, seven jobs that are available, which one would have been the best fit that can get where he can continue his reign of dominance? No, where you got the quarterback?

I mean, you got a quarterback, but you ain't got Tom Brady. But at this point, Ocho, let me ask you a question. You're the best receiver in football. That's me. You got all the records, you done had six straight hundred catch seasons. You done had six straight 100-carat seasons. You done had six straight seasons at least 1,300 yards.

Six straight seasons of 10 touchdowns. Okay, they move on. And you can't find one job. Hey, can I tell you something? Yeah. It's become a young man's game. Not only has it become a young man's game. Not only is this Young man's game It's become a young coaches game as well

But the bills will simply speak for itself it speaks volumes It's all about Bill being right after they today's players to today's ever Man, you ain't can he change some of the things that he did During the old days some of the old ways and try to try to revamp Like, you know, I tell you got these sometimes you got the balls You you can't you can't you can't do the things you did back in the day and think it's gonna work in today's era You know the players that I don't think they respond

Give a damn about no resume. Oh Joe. I know these kids don't think they respond that way. Don't give a damn about no resume, Ocho. These kids don't care about no resume. Kids don't understand the organization's might, might, if he goes in and shows that he can adapt to the kids in today's era, that's all I'm saying. I could be wrong. Yeah, yeah, can he adapt? It's hard, Ocho, when you've been in your...

It's hard when you've done something one way and had ultimate success doing it that way. Now all of a sudden, you mean to tell me to do a 180? Yeah. Whoo, Ocho, that's hard. And the kids today, Ocho, there's not the same level of respect for coaching and authority that it once was. What you and I grew up with and the way we see it gradually, gradually dissipating,

where the coaches authority and the coaches voice is not as powerful as it once was. Now it is in some locker rooms, but I remember five years ago, five years ago, Coach Belichick walk into a locker room with that resume. Now everybody the first day they gonna call in the question. He ain't one know what I go, he ain't one know what I taught him Brady. Yeah. Yeah. I just, I just bet what I see especially with the young young players that looked up to him as a coach and respect what he's done.

I think he can walk into a locker room and it'd be instant respect even from the young guns. Despite his struggles, Aaron Rodgers says he has nothing to prove over the final five games, inferring that his career accomplishments should supersede, see, I told you should supersede his performance down the stretch. He said it would be ridiculous to make a player with his resume audition for next season. Oh, Joe, this is why we love professional sports, because what must you do every week? Oh, Joe, your resume,

update your resume. So I want to ask Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers, what has those four MVPs done for the giant the me. Update your resume. So I want to ask Aaron Rogers, Aaron Rogers, what has the four MVPs done for the Giants this year? That's what you do every time you step on the field. Oh, Joe, I'm playing for my job. Yeah, but you already know what they gonna do though. You already know what they gonna do. You know how difficult it is to find a quarterback.

You know how long the Jets been looking for a quarterback? Even the... Yeah, I know they still looking even though Aaron Rodgers is playing bad. It's the possibility, it's the thought, it's the hope that he's going to play like the Aaron Rogers of old. And even if he showed those glimpse of flashes of the old Aaron Rogers, maybe for the Jets organization, maybe that's just enough to give them hope that things may change. Maybe. So if there's an opportunity or a chance for him to come back next year, guess where he's going to be because of who he is and because of the exact same thing he said because of his resume. He don't get a chance just because it's him. I don't know.

Like I said, I don't know what he Johnson, like a lot of other people, they seem to see that he and the owner of the Jets, Woody Johnson, it's kind of like they don't see eye to eye. There's reports that he wanted to bench Aaron Rogers at some point in time this year. Coaches fall back at it. I fought back against that. If they want me to stay fantastic, if they take these five games, maybe they don't know what I bring to the table. Nothing this year.

But that being said, I love to play really freaking well. These last five games. Yeah. Oh, it's also, you see, that's what I'm saying. He thinks that the normal rule for NFL player. Yeah. Joe Montana. He didn't finish.

You can't even finish in San Francisco. Emma Smith, Bruce Smith, Jerry Rice, some of the historic great players. There are a lot of what top 100 players that did not finish their career with the team that drafted them. But somehow, Aaron, think he should be exempt because of his resume. And can I can I tell you something?

In that chat, y'all listen to me. Because his name is Aaron Rodgers, because of what he's done in the past, he's gonna get that grace, simply because he's a quarterback. Even though some might not like it, we might not like it, it's just the honest truth.

I believe there's a greater chance he plays elsewhere than with the chance. No, I don't see it. Well, you know, the Vante is going after this. He's on he's on he's on the one year. Yeah, you know, you might be right. You might you might be right, because most of the pieces are going to be gone. You might be right. You might. You might be right, because most of the pieces are going to be gone. You might be right. But what would that be? I don't know. I mean, they're talking about everybody keeps hoping to get the older Rogers. You just get an older Roger.

Hey, I mean, I'm not breaking news. I was saying that aside. Look, if that man has if he had another name on the back of that jersey, ain't no way. Y'all say that man deserves to get, get the money that he's making deserves another opportunity. And forget deserve because he feels he deserves because of his resume, not based on what he's done. Everybody else must feel, I get this opportunity, I've earned the opportunity to play here, Ocho, to play another season, to get another game.

He feel he's deserving based on what he's done, not what he's doing. And you know the funny thing, you know why he can say it? Because he knows he's gonna get that opportunity. He knows he gonna get that chance based on what he's done. Any other position, tackles, guards, divas, the ends, centers, D tackles, cornerback, safeties will never be extended that grace. There's always a special, there's always a special place for a quarterback, especially

one that is done with Aaron Rodgers has done in the past, even today, even as bad as it is, he will get that grace because of what he's done in the past. A lot of former players have chimed in on the Alshere, Z Alshere hit on Trevor Lawrence. Bill Romanowski, my teammate says the hit was dirty, but I loved it. Sounds like Romo. Joe Thomas says the NFL needs to ban weaponized quarterback slides. Tom Brady suggested the NFL needs to change the rules

to penalize late slides. Tom Brady said something very interesting. He said they're putting the owners on the defense. Tom Brady is the wrong messenger because they had a rule change. Does he not know the Brady rule was instituted to protect him? He's I get it. I get what he's saying, but he's the wrong message because a lot of these rules that

they put in place to protect the quarterback he benefited from. It's kind of like what we see with a lot of Hispanics when they talk about, yeah, deport, deport, deport. When they got over here, we see it. We know how they got over here. See, it's easy to say that ex post facto. Well, I'm here now, I don't give a, close it. Don't let nobody else over. Tom Brady said, well, hell, I ain't gotta take no hits.

Punish the quarterback. Really, bro? Really? I mean, I... Really? And I get everything that they said, Ocho, delayed slide, Patrick Mahomes in the towards for that fit seeming like he's gonna slide and then he with a finagle

no that's wrong but punish it because listen to all my Ross Brown he said that Caleb Williams had a habit of pretending like he's gonna go out of bounds and they showed the clip. Um, Dan Campbell say, if he does, if he does this, y'all punish his ass. And that's exactly what happened. That's why they didn't go a flag because he warned the officials. He said he had a habit of doing this. We're going to put, we're going to put hell with us on his ass.

Say, I might not get to stop him from doing it, but I'll break his ass with a habit. My grandma say, I might not stop you, but I'll break your the habit. That's all I'm saying. Tom is the wrong messenger when he benefited. One of the, he was one of the most beneficiary's of the rule change to protect the quarterback Ocho. So how is he gonna say this now?

I think he's saying it because of the way the quarterbacks are taking advantage of the rule. The quarterback. He took advantage of it. Yeah. I mean, you know, he can't scramble, he can't run, he couldn't run. Now he took advantage of it in the pocket. So the owner at that point is on the defensive player to understand. Why are you putting a, hold on. He said the owner shouldn't be on the defensive player to protect the offensive player. That's what he said. So why is it on the owners when his ass is in the pocket?

Yeah, that's a good one. But I'm trying to be better context for those that are running quarterbacks that are dual threats that choose to take advantage of the situation and they know well you know what I can flick it I can act like I'm gonna go out of bounds and I'm gonna take it up the field or I'm gonna take it up the sideline so Shazir I understand I understand that was a late slide that was a late slide by the I'm gonna say Jerry Galt that was a late slide by Trevor no you you got you got to protect yourself as well because. That wasn't a late slide. Ocho, you do realize how tall Trevor is.

That was late. He's 6'6". That was late. No. Ocho, Ocho, it wasn't a late slide, but when you six foot five, you make it seem like he califing. That's a lot of man to get down into a sliding position.

Hey, that's, hey. How many times you see Aaron Judge steal a base? Do you know how hard it is for him to get his ass down and slide? Unless they ain't got nobody in that position like they got a ship thrown or something. Yeah, I mean, he didn't. But that's what, but here's the thing.

It's just like a quarterback when they fake spike it and then throw the ball What about that? Oh, yeah, should you be allowed? I've seen that since merino against the jazz That do it I Back so afraid I can see it in a minute. Yeah, I think I think I think it on a handful of quarterbacks I've done have done that since that since Danny, but, and they put in the Jags to finish up, Ocho, the Jags placed Trevor Lawrence on injury reserve yesterday, likely ending his season. I think he was going to have surgery when he was dealing with something before,

before this, okay. AC he's had a, he had shoulder issues before that Ocho, but all I'm saying is this, I understand saying is this, I understand what Thomas said, but as a quarterback that's benefited from it, you can't say, Ocho, you can't say change the tax code when you benefited from the old tax code and you've made millions and billions.

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