Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Obama’s starting 5, Jordan Love future, International Super Bowl

Episode Date: October 15, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down former President Barack Obama’s all-time NBA starting 5 list that includes Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Stephen Curry, Hakeem Olajuwon and Kevin Durant and agree they would have put Shaq on the list over Hakeem. Later, Unc and Ocho think Green Bay Packers QB Jordan Love’s future is bright, ponder the pros and cons of having an International Super Bowl after Commissioner Roger Goodell shifts his stance on the possibility and much more!03:18 - Demeco’s take on Jordan Love12:50 - Goddell not ruling out an international superbowl19:43 - Obama names his starting 527:24 - NBA exec rips Michael Porter Jr.29:11 - Q and Aye(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Bill's fans are taking those quotes very serious. Many feel that Josh Allen is the second best quarterback in the league behind Patrick Mahone. Me personally, I take Lamar Jackson. But that's another story. Ocho, do you believe that Jordan Love will be the best quarterback that the Texans have faced, even though they do have Josh Allen on their resume. Yeah, probably.

Probably. I think Josh Allen is very good. Obviously his resume speaks for itself, despite obviously the turnovers, but he's good. You can see what he's doing now in being Superman, not having elite players around him, but still getting the job done. But Jordan Love he's good. You can see what he's doing now and being Superman, not having elite players around him, but still getting the job done. But Jordan Love is really good.

Jordan Love is really good. Jordan Love to me is in the same bracket in a sense with a Jayden Daniels, with a CJ Shroud, with a Lamar Jackson. You know, he's also a dual threat quarterback. He can run, he can run, he can throw, make all throws. And to be young as he is, he's very promising, which is why they paid him what they did. And I mean, I agree with him. I agree with him. Jordan Love is really, really, really good. Really good.

And the funny thing about it is, is you'd have to be a football fan. Not a casual fan of the game. You'd have to be a football fan to understand how good Jordan Love is and actually watch those Packers games. Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, I take my homes first. I don't put anybody next to him because you see what he's done in his six years of starting. It's off the charts.

I mean, you don't get to four Super Bowls in six years. You win three with two MVPs, three Super Bowl MVP's. That's. That's beyond what right now. Brady has more. But if you look at Brady's first six years and you look at his first six years, you look at Brady, Brady, they were a defensive team. Maybe it wasn't asked to do what my homeboys doing right. But yeah, he's phenomenal.

I would take Lamar Jackson as my second quarterback behind my homes over Burrow and Josh Allen. But I can see people saying Burrow. I can see people saying Josh Allen, maybe CJ, Jordan Love, Purdy, whatever the case may be. But one, two for me is my homes in Lamar. So. Hold on, hold on now. Who are top five? So we got we got we got Burrow first.

You got Lamar. You got Sheldon third. You got Burrow first in front of who? I said I said my homes is first. OK, no, you said Burrow is for. OK, my bad, my bad. You know, I'm just thinking bangles. My bad, my bad. So, I mean, like, talk to me real quick on your top five based on who you would say if they would ask you.

So you have you have Josh Allen second before Lamar. I would take no, I would take Lamar second. OK, I would take. second. Okay. I would take. I would take, I would take Josh third, burrow four and I would take, I think I would take CJ. I think I would take CJ. How you, how you put, how you put Josh Allen in the front of burrow though?

Easy. I said I would take Josh Allen. That's your preference. Yeah, I mean, look, I think once you get past the first two, I think you're kind of splitting hairs with Josh Allen, Burrow, and CJ. I think I know CJ is only his second year in the league, but I don't see a situation where he regresses. I only see situations where he get improved.

Right. Um, Jordan love is Jordan love. And people like, ah, man, you, you talk about Jordan love over that. Yeah. I'll take your love over that. I'll take CJ Stroud over that too. I just Oh, oh,

oh, ah, but you know, the thing is, most of the quarterbacks, you can go week to week. I think the top two are kind of set because Josh Allen, Burrow, none of them playing is good. Jerry Garfield is playing as good as anybody. Oh yeah. Most definitely.

And you didn't even mention him. Nothing but I'm saying, I think like it can go week to week like most positions can go week to week. I think when you look at what Mahomes has done his body of work now at the end of the year we could say does he still does he still deserve to be the number one quarterback? We'll see. Probably because this is what we see from Mah homes every year, especially in the beginning of the season. It always looks like this. The numbers are staggering. It's not crazy.

But all of a sudden when it matters most, guess who always comes through in the clutch? Right. Guess who every time, every time. So at some point you're going to have three, four hundred, five hundred yard games. They're going to come. They're not going to come right now. For some reason, they never come at the beginning of the season for them. It's always something.

There's always an issue with the offense or the balls being dropped. There's there's no receivers and nobody, they're not catching the balls. That's what it was last year. This year, injury, Rashid Rice is out. Juju, goddamn Juju steps up, has a hell of a game. And remember, it's going late. Remember always something. The Patriots said, no, we ain't got no use for Juju. He comes back, look at Juju.

Wrong system. Juju comes out, machine price goes out, Juju comes in, 130 yard game, like that, off the rip. That's that fast. That's that fast. Quarterbacks can take average receivers and make them look really, really good. Yeah. That's what the really good ones can do. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. But the quarterback is so hard, Ocho, because any given week you like, I take Jerry golf, no, I take Josh Allen.

No, I take CJ. No, I take, I'll take your love. No, I take Joe. I'll take Josh Allen. I'll take your love. No, I'll take Joe. I'll take Josh And I mean you we've seen pretty deal where you like What I boy pretty good? Mm-hmm And you know, what's funny? I always think about when you think about the top five chat, whoever your top five players are

I always think about it forget this the stats Forget the numbers and all that stuff. I know all that matters. But if you were to put them on any other team, will they still be able to be efficient and be productive regardless to where they went, regardless to who was at their disposal as far as weapons are concerned?

Could they still wheel and deal? Well, they don't see their own. Can you imagine Mahomes with Chase and Higgins? Can you imagine here? Can you imagine here with Waddle Ty Reek, Mostard, A-Tan? Listen, or you put him in San Francisco with that running game. Christian McCaffrey, Kittle, Debo, IU, Jennings. game, Christopher Caffrey, Kettle, Debo, IU, Jennings.

Unfair. Bad look. Some guys is that they are a system. They defy, they defy whatever you doing, they are above it. Right. And they'll, they'll elevate whatever, whatever you have around them, they'll elevate them. Very few can do that.

That's difficult. Very few at the quarterback position can do that. There may be two or three that can do that. No matter what situation they go to, they can elevate it. Man, Nelly Belly, stop. Stop. What'd he say, what'd he say, what'd he say, what'd he say? If that's the case, you took Lamar,

you put Lamar in front of my home, stop. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. You was doing so good. To that, just like, I'll use a reference as far as boxing is concerned. Nelly Bailey, oh my bad, I'm sorry, it's a she.

Nelly, don't do that. Oh. Don't do that, Nelly. I say in reference to that. We gotta put you in time out. Styles wins fights in boxing. Styles wins fights, so I really wouldn't do the switch. I wouldn't do the switch.

But even at this point, especially in Lamar's career, with the way he's looking as a passer, forget him running the ball, forget the office that he's in. I can see him doing well as a strictly a drop back passer. If the roles reverse, hypothetically speaking, if he was a chiefs quarterback, that's just me. That just, that just me. I'm not saying I would pick my homes over him. I'm just saying if the roles reversed.

I'm not saying I would pick my homes over him. I'm just saying that the roles were reversed. He's a, hey, he's a good throttler. What makes him so dynamic and scary is his legs. So are you telling me that he's gonna be there and he's not gonna be able to use his legs? Yeah, I mean, no, I'm saying, that's why I say this is a hypothetical. Right.

Yeah. Because that's what makes him, that's what makes him. He can use his leg, but I think he's just that, he's gotten that much more dangerous with his arm as well. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, he that's what makes it. He uses his leg. But I think he's just that he's gotten that much more dangerous with his arm as well. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, he's becoming much better. Perhaps throw the football.

Roger Goodell isn't ruling out an international Super Bowl. International commission said we've always traditionally tried to play the Super Bowl in an NFL city that was always sort of a reward for a city that had it in that have an NFL franchise. But things change. It wouldn't surprise me at all if that happens one day. Oh, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. The true NFL fans, the true NFL fans of the teams that actually go to the Super Bowl can't even get the motherfucking tickets to support their team that they've been going to watch the entire season.

Now we talk about having a Super Bowl internationally for the higher ups that ain't support the teams throughout the entirety of the season. Man, somebody about to pay 500 million. That puts us regular fans. What does that say about us? Ojo. Somebody about some cities, London or somebody about to pay 500 million for Super Bowl they gone. See it's all about the money at the end of day it's all

about the money what about us fans what about us fans I buy dolphin tickets I buy bangles tickets to go watch my bangles and I buy tickets to go watch my goddamn dolphins my home Put this on my iPad so it can be streaming. That's what they don't feel go tell you about what about the fan Pull that up on my iPad so I can watch it while streaming and we fit to go get this 500 million dollars quarter of a billion dollars from some 500 million dollars, three quarters of a billion dollars from some Germany or wherever they play, London or wherever they play these games at.

That's where they end up being able to go tell you. Yeah, I mean, honestly, I like it. I like the idea. I like the idea, especially for growing our sport globally. Yes. We will probably never be able to compete with that of soccer over a course that way. But the fact that we have integrated and found

a special place for those who enjoy American football. I think there's a place for us over there and it's ways to make money. It's ways to make money and to be able to make it on that other side of the world would be awesome. Hell, if you really wanna make some money, we can might as well have the Super Bowl in goddamn Saudi Arabia. You talk about 500 million, should they give us a billion? Yeah, Dubai, Qatar.

Yeah, think about that. Super Bowl in Qatar, Super Bowl in Saudi Arabia. Joe Will. Super Bowl in Dubai. Come on, man. And I'll be right over there trying to get some of them dollars too. Hey, think about what they would pay for that, huh? For sure. Think about what they would pay for that.

Well, I know what they would pay. You see what they pay in the host boxing events or UFC fights. Yeah. What do you think they would do? So imagine the Super Bowl. Thank you. Now that's something I go broke for. That's a great memory.

That's a great memory. But I know, I know, uh, commission, I know you're going to see this. Roger, let's think about that Super Bowl in Saudi Arabia. Preferably Dubai. Yeah. Come on now. The bottom line is always the dollar. If you want to make it, this is my idea.

Let me see, I need 10%. Ocho, Dubai and Saudi Arabia are two different places. Oh, I know that, I know that, I know. But I think it'd be better suited for the people, for the fans. Dubai would be better than Saudi Arabia. I can do that, let's do it in Dubai. Yeah, Dubai would be much better than Saudi Arabia.

Oh yeah, most definitely. There's more to do there. There's more to do there. But the funny thing about it is you know, what? You know who has more money on? The Saudis The sheik Dubai. I don't know how to say it named the right way, but oh my goodness Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how to say the name the right way. I'm too much loaded Man Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how to say the name the right way. I'm talking about loaded. Man, kind of money over there, man. Mohammed bin Salweed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, different kind of money over there.

Oh, yeah. But here's the problem you'll run into. What's that? And how's the Bush angle be happy? They can't sell no products over there. Why not? Hold on. There's ways around everything.

But you know, I tell you what, I bet you I'm going to get caught with an alcoholic beverage. You never be the breaks off me. Don't buy a deal. This is so it's so much money at stake. They will bend certain rules for a certain, especially an event of this magnitude with this type of money at stake, there will been certain rules for a certain, especially an event of this magnitude with this type of money at play.

Certain things. I'm drinking water. I could go a week without an alcoholic beverage. Yeah, I got you, I got you. And the rules aren't that bad. I went over those rules before you go. All those rules they had in place with the affection

in public and the holding hands and wearing certain stuff. You can't do this. It's part when I was in Qatar, you know, they went to the room like, really? They really like that? Man, listen, it was just as casual and just as lenient. Once I was there for that month when I had to work the World Cup,

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So Michael Jordan, a shooting guard. I put LeBron and point forward. I want a little shooting and a little flair, so I'm going to put my friend Steph Curry in the mix because we're a three point era and he's the greatest shooter of all time, bar none. At the center, I'm going to put Hakeem, the dream Elijah one whose game I think translate in today's game. The last spot is tough for me,

but I've got to go with KD, Kevin Durant, who might be the most efficient score in the history Of the basketball. I'm feeling good about my starting About that five beating just about anybody What you say coach? Oh, I Like I like Jordan. I like Jordan that shoot. I like Jordan. I like the LeBron pick I like the step pick but he lost me a little bit. He lost me with Elijah one. Why wouldn't, why wouldn't we go with the most dominant big man of all time,

especially in his prime? I would have put, I would have went with Shaq. I think you've looked at that in today's game. You don't think Shaq would translate in today's game in his, in his prime. Not, not big Shaq. I'm talking about Shaq when he was Orlando Shaq. What? Have you seen this fucking footwork when he was in Orlando?

Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah, absolutely. Now, once you got once you got a little bigger, put on a little bit of a muscle, you know, it was there, but it wasn't like it was Orlando Shaq. Oh, my goodness. Oh, Joe, you couldn't go to Dubai. You couldn't go overseas. Spirit don't go that far. Who don't?

Greyhound or the Airways don't travel that far. Spirit. Oh, the Megabus go there. You've been on the Megabus before? Yeah, but that ain't Spirit. I know Megabus cheap though. No, it ain't cheap. You should do that.

I know you don't like road. No, it ain't cheap. You should do that. I know you don't like road trips. Take the make a bus somewhere. Ain't nothing cheap. Ain't nothing cheap about going overseas. Nah, that be listen, depending on how early you buy it, man. Even if you buy, I mean, you go, United Emirates, it's still gonna be $30,000, $40,000. How much?

$30,000, $40,000. Nah, okay, listen, I'm flying back much? 30, $40,000. No, okay. Listen, I'm flying a plane. Look up a ticket. You got an Emirates. I ain't sitting up there. Hey, chat. Chat, how much a ticket?

Just randomly, just give me the price of a ticket, not business, just regular seat. How much it is. I know the chat ain't laughing about the mega bus. Don't act like y'all ain't been on the mega bus before. Y'all so y'all too rich for me. No, man, you, you may, you take a spirit. They have to turn around and come back. They run out of gas. Turn around. We just land and get some gas. On United Emirates what's first class?

See why you got to go first class why you can't fly coach? See 1500 that ain't bad. Dwayne Jackson in the chat he just coach? See 1500. Oh, that ain't bad Dwayne Jackson in the chat. He just said it's 1500 100 to Dubai. Oh, no, I see $24 first class of 24,000 You don't need first class. Um, if you sit in a coach you get you get there at the same time Why spend why spend 40? You can spend 1500 you gonna be back there funky. I'm going to take me a shower. Take me a couple of showers. I'm going to give me some good old hot food.

Hey, I can get some hot food before we get on the plane. I can take a shower before I leave the house. I'm paying fifteen hundred dollars for my seat. And it's already roomy. The seats is roomy already on Emmer's on Emmer's Airlines. And guess what? I'm going to become a member of my hot club. You can't do that. Who you gonna be with, Michelle?

Don't worry about this, there you go. There you go. There you go, don't worry about it. Hey, I don't need to be a member of my hot club when I can get in before we even board. No, that ain't the same. That ain't the same. It's the same.

That's like saying scoring two down in practice is the same as scoring one in the game. Is's the same. Cause that's what happens. That's like saying scoring until you're down in practice is the same as scoring one in the game. Is it? But it's different. You gonna be in the no flight list when you get caught. Now you gonna get caught. We just gonna be, you know, you gonna be on that side. Just be on the side, just lay in there.

Have a blanket over, sit there and play. You see? You only know how to do it, Ocho. Nah, nah. No, no. Uh-uh. Oh, oh, oh. Big shadow go to it. Big shadow go to it.

Hey. You scared, though, you scared. Oh, you're starting by. My starting five. Yep. I want I want a eye at the point. OK, I want a at the point. My shooting guard. I'm going with Kobe. OK. OK.

I think O to your froze. He won't AI at the point. He won't Kobe at the two. Interested in who he wants at the three. Interested more interested in who he wants to four. We already know he's gonna take it to five. He said he wanted shot. He didn't understand why former President Obama didn't take a. Huh?

Obviously, at the three, I'm taking LeBron at the two, I'm taking Mike at the point. I got to take magic. Yeah. What? Yeah. AI the point. You got Kobe at the two.

Kobe at the two. I got Steph. Yeah, I had the point. You got Kobe at the two. Kobe at the two. I got Steph at the three. Is that okay? Right. I can do that.

Right. You can do whatever you want. That's you starting fine. Hold on. Hold on. I ain't finished. I got, I got Katie at the four. Okay.

And I got Shaq. I want Shaq. You don't like that? What do you think? You look small. Damn. Hold on. I got Shaq, I want Shaq. You don't like that? What you think? You look small. Damn.

Hold on. Man, you got six foot AI and six two step Curry. Right, but you gotta think, that's 30 and 30 right there. We dropping buckets. Now, defense, I mean, that got a little liability, little liability. You could. Yeah, I'm cooked. But I got Katie, I got Katie, I got Shaq.

The boys and boys, they don't they don't have to come to the party and play D. I would take I would take brought it to three. I would take Jordan at the two. I'm going to take magic the three, at the point. Okay, that's a good one. That's nice, that's nice. I gotta take the best power forward to ever play. I'm gonna take Tim Duncan.

And then, Mr. Fundamentals. Yeah. And since you got Shaq, I can't take Shaq. I'll take Kareem. Okay, that's a good one, that's a good one, that's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. Sky hook you to death.

An NBA exec rips Michael Porter, Jr. as terribly overrated. The execs believe that Denver is going to be stuck this year. Denver's second best player is going backwards. Jamal hasn't been the same. There's something about Jamal's health and physical capacity right now that concerns me. Michael Porter Jr. is terribly overrated. He's a one-way player.

He's just a scorer. And I also think Denver has to assess to get an upgrade. Ocho, do you agree with this statement? Fuck no. What is he talking about? There are a lot of one way players that are just scores that are liability on defense. What does he talk about?

There's a lot of people like that in the NBA. And then there are a few players who are especially who are great on both ends of the court. They're good on offense and they're good on defense. Then there are a lot of people that are just scores. I mean, how's that installed? They ain't a whole lot of players that are good on both ends of the court.

Hey, my point is that, that's why I don't understand this exec who should have let his name be known so we know who it is. Sound pretty personal to me. Haven't, Has Denver won? Michael Porter Jr. got a ring, don't he? Okay, I'm just making sure.

I just want to make sure I got my ducks in a row. That sound personal. I mean, look, he's streaky. He can get hot and shoot you out the gym, right? cold He'll break it up for you But nice house Some for some reason when he played the Lakers

He get he get ultra hot. Yeah Yeah, oh Joe now it's time for oh Q&A. Q&A. Oh man, look man, I'm a TV. No, I'm not even gonna switch back. I'm gonna just stay here. You know, hey, you can hear me? What?

I think there's another storm coming too. Well, you make me. That's back to back. That's three weeks in a row. Well, I don't think it's going, it's not another storm like that though, right? No, I don't think so. I think it's, maybe the Gulf, if I'm not mistaken, is brewing up. It's brewing up.

Yeah. Kobe Bryant said, oh, did Mike miss the ball or was it under thrown? It was under thrown and he kind of lost it. I mean, the worst thing that could possibly happen happened. He lost his balance and the guy ended up intercepting it. If he didn't lose his balance, that's the catch. Oh, for sure. Yeah, that's the catch.

For sure. What you call it is like, Aaron like, how unlucky must I be? Big yeah. Aaron like how unlucky must I be? Big yeah. Was it car, Estar, Devontae ain't going to make a difference if Roger's under throws him by five to 10 yards.

Relax, they've been together for eight, nine years. They ain't gonna have him. I thought tonight was one of Roger's best games that he's played since he's been there. Past, almost 300 yards. I thought he was very, very accurate. He played since he's been there. Pat almost almost 300 yards. I thought he was very, I thought he was very, very accurate. He threw, he was very decisive with where he wanted to go with the ball. He didn't miss a whole lot of throws.

I thought this was one of his better games. 23 or 35 to 94 touchdown, one interception. He was sacked three times, but I thought they played, I thought overall they played really, really well. Um, they didn't get the victory to show for it because the difference is when they got into the red zone, they settled for field goals and when you get into the red zone, you need to score touchdowns. So, uh, and what they missed. Two, but the mere fact you tried to kick field goals as opposed to getting touchdowns.

Right. But we'll see if they do get Devontae, we'll see the difference that it make. But the thing is, is that you have to be careful of Ocho. Yeah. That when you strengthen one side or you're thinking you're strengthening one side, the other side doesn't relax. You get that a lot. Oh man, now we don't have to do what we normally do because they're gonna be able to score points.

And then you let up on your end and then all of a sudden it snowballs. The Green Show said, will the Cowboys win a Subo in your life? Well, they did. They won three in my life. No, they won a lot more than three. They won five in my lifetime.

Right. I was born in my lifetime. Right. I was born in 68, so they want to in the 70s and it went through in the 90s. So they did win five Super Bowls in my lifetime. Now, I don't know if they're going to win anymore in my lifetime, but they have won five. I think they have a chance to win again. When things change. I leave it at that.

Tasty. What's up, Uncle 85? As receivers, did y'all take pride in blocking? I know Tidy is different, but on the ravers, it seemed like they don't mind. Well, they're a running team. You got the block. You ain't got no choice. Look at that Breeze Hall road. Look at Mike Williams block.

Look at the Zard block That's the difference when you anytime you see long runs by running back the receivers are blocking Look at the 49ers. Look at Debo. Look at you look at Jennings If you want your if you want your running back to have success if you want to have a successful running game Your wide receivers have to block. Yeah. And you gotta make it a point of emphasis and you gotta make it important to them. I'm the problem probably arguably might be the best blocking receiver ever. Ever. Ever. Because half the time, I didn't have to touch nobody. Just run them off.

Yeah. As my running backs. As Rudy Johnson. Yeah. As, well, rest in peace, Cedric Benson. Larry's your baby. We had Larry Johnson for a little bit. You know that?

Yeah, he was watching when he got the y'all, though. That's not nice. That's not nice, y'all. Because when you do laundry, what you doing? You washing, right? So you clean yourself. Yeah. But, yeah.

I mean, I'm not saying that I'm not doing laundry. I'm just saying that I'm not doing laundry. I'm just saying that I'm not doing laundry. I'm just saying that I'm not doing laundry. I'm just saying that I'm not doing laundry. I'm just saying that I'm not doing laundry. I'm just saying that I'm not doing laundry. I'm just saying. That's not that's not nice. Because when you listen when you do laundry what you're doing you washing right so you clean yourself. Yeah but he had nothing he had nothing he was on fumes Ocho. He had he already had almost 800 caries in his body in two years. Yeah. No coming back from that Ocho. Yeah he was toting that pill though he was toting. In Kansas City? Yeah he was toting that thing. wasn't totin' it for y'all.

Yeah, who else we had? Michigan running back, man. Last name was Perry. I can't remember his first name. He was good, but yeah, I took pride in my blockin', man. I wasn't no Hines Ward, knockin' people out. But I did what I could. I don't even know. He was Cam Ward.

So. No, no, but you look at guys in the West Coast system, West Coast, wide receivers, you got to you got to. You got to. Cameron Wood Jr. says, oh, my question is, who's the greatest NBA coach Phil Jackson the popper bitch not including rings That's a good one Yeah, who would be the best man, but I mean you can make a case that that

But you can make a case that that. They are coached three of the top 10 players in the history of the game. You could have a strong case that he did. Everybody has Jordan, either one or two. A lot of people say, Shack Kobe is top five and a lot of people say Shack is in the top tier. I think, look, I don't think anybody gonna get 11. Like Phil has. I don't think anybody will get 11. No.

Phil got 11? 11. Jesus. He's got six with the Bulls and five with the Lakers. Damn. You got six with the Bulls and five with the Lakers. Damn. I don't I don't I don't think anybody. I think Pop does more coaching. I think Phil did did better managing egos. Right.

And that's a coach that's coaching in and of itself to get guys to buy in and to play for each other even if you don't like each other. Right. I think that. Go ahead. Pop had to deal with egos. No, I'm saying feel managed egos. No, no, no, no, no.

Pop is more like Coach Belichick. Yeah. Yeah. That's a, no, no, no. Pop is more like Coach Belichick. Yeah, yeah. That's a good comparison. Very good comparison. The structure is there. Right. This is what we do.

And his best player bought in. So he can ride Timmy like Coach Belichick rode Tom. Right, right. So when everybody does go down, if he got on Timmy. Well, let me get my ish together. Yeah, if he got on Tom, let me get my stuff together. Oh, yeah. Because a lot of time coaches,

they'll coach the team through their best player. Hmm. Especially if they know he can handle it. So. Right. I'm sure Tom at the time didn't take too kindly of it. But but here's the thing though, he didn't show it. You win. Tommy would have done. Tom would have done anything to win, right? Even swallow his pride and let Coach Belichick say some things or coach him in a manner that. He felt was unnecessary at times, right? I'm sure Tim felt the same way, but at the end of the day, what do we try to do here? We're trying to win championships, one common goal at the end of the

day. And if that helps us win championships. Let's do it. goal at the end of the day. And if that helps us win championships. Let's do it. Uh, Jay Garrett, exclusive, I can don't show most players don't get drafted to their home state team with both of you growing up in Georgia and Miami. Would you two have loved to get drafted and played for the Falcons and the Dolphins? Absolutely not.

Yeah. Well, I wish I could have played at home, man. I could have had all my homeboys, man. I'd have the city at each game. But we would have been lit, boy. No way. God knows what he was doing. He put me in Colorado.

He hadn't even heard of Colorado when I went there. You wouldn't want to play in Atlanta? Hell no. You got a real, Ocho, the Falcons were terrible when I was there. Wait, you wouldn't want to play in Atlanta? Hell no. You got a real, oh Joe, the Falcons were terrible when I was growing up. Okay, that's why, okay, okay, understandable. Well, the Dolphins weren't that good when I was growing up. They just had a really good defense.

No, when you was growing up, they had damn Reno. No, I'm saying when it was time for me to get drafted, they had a really good defense. Oh, would they have that? Jason Taylor. Pat on one side, Sam Madison on the other. I think Brock Merman, if I'm not mistaken. Was it Yermobile?

Or that might have been a little bit later. But yeah, they were nice on defense, boy. Claude Hector said, Uncle Nocho, thank you for both of what y'all do. Do you guys plan on bringing back the stay with me shirts? I think we're bringing them back as a hoodie, right? Oh, yeah, I need that, I need that, I need that. I need that, I need that.

Oh, stay tuned this Friday, there's a drop that's gonna happen. Can't tell you what it is, but stay tuned. Speaking of drops, where's my, that's my Michelle shirt. I made sure you didn't get it. And you sold out. But I ordered it, I paid for it. We're gonna refund your money. Because I know you're gonna come over here with it all. Come on. I'm been waiting on the, I've been waiting by the mailbox waiting on, I bought a full shirt. That's my Michelle the I think nightclap and two other ones

I know I need them. I need them. I'm need them. Yeah, I could walk through the airport. That's my Michelle Jamie Jay Breezy Williams. Hey uncle. No Joe your girl Jay Breezy from my squad here My son's 15th birthday is tomorrow. My daughter's birthday is tomorrow Also, can you give, can you and everyone give Brendan Williams from Chicago a big happy birthday? Ocho, can you sing, love you both, keep killing it? Sing? His name, Brendan.

Your mom, Jamie, wants to wish you a very happy birthday. She said, you're an incredible 15 year old, bright future ahead of you. Listen to your mom, stay in school, do your homework. We want to wish you a very happy birthday. You said you're an incredible 15 year old, bright future ahead of you. Listen to your mom, stay in school, do your homework, say no to drugs, and hey bro, sky's the limit. So we want to wish you a happy 15th birthday to Brandon from Chicago.

Happy birthday to you. High five. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Oh, God damn, I know I sound good. Happy birthday. That's it. That's it. That's it. I can't get too much. I can't get too much. I can blow now. Happy. Oh, that's it. That's it. I'm gonna let it go. Hey, I know that thing sounds good. You don't want that's it. That's it. I'm gonna let it go. Let it go. Hey, I know that thing sounds good.

You don't you don't want to admit it, but I know I know. Happy birthday. I got a voice now that I do got. That's one thing about it. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side and Liar's Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life.

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Yeah. Corey Dillon for the Hall of Fame? God damn right. I don't have the numbers in front of me. He's one of the best to do it. But when I think about players like Corey, Corey not being in when he should be in, I also think about players like, um, just one comes to mind. Fred Taylor also deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Definitely. I think the fact that he played in Jacksonville, uh,

it's not doing him any justice, but he should be in. If I'm not mistaken, he's the left tackle Tony Baccelli in the Hall of Fame already? Yes. He got in a couple years ago. If Tony Baccelli is in, Brad Tilly deserves to be in. Two players for the Bengals that need to be in the Hall of Fame, Willie Anderson and Corey Dillon. Yeah, cause right now y'all only got one. I think y'all only got- Anthony Munoz.

No, Ken Riley. And Ken Riley, yeah, Anthony Munoz and Ken Riley. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I stopped giving my opinion because the headlines always say it's Hall of Fame or Shannon Sharp doesn't think someone deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. So y'all have to use me for no clickbait. Right. Ask me about my brother. I'm gonna say yeah, he deserves to be in.

Anybody else? I ain I got no comments. Right. Because then, oh, can you please do it? Please do a birthday shout out to my husband. He turned 40 today. Happy birthday, KP. Jamie, we would absolutely wish a happy birthday to your husband. KP, happy 40th birthday, bro. Big milestone. 40, 40 zero. Yeah. Life is just dark, man. Happy 40th birthday, bro. Big milestone, 40, 40 zero. Yeah.

Life is just dark, man. I remember when I turned 40. Yeah, yeah, I remember. I remember too. I remember too, 16 years ago. I never forget it, because I can tell you what I did. I went to a Las Vegas club called Trapeze

here in Miami on my 40th birthday. Yeah. Yeah, that was a little time. I shook the covers in the morning. Yeah. Yeah, that was a good old time. I shook the covers in the morning. Yeah. Okay. That was a good old time way back then. Yeah, so, yeah, I'm just,

I don't really need to be thinking about old memories, but. You were real at 40. Huh? memories but. Really 40. I think you were really 40. Oh shit I was. Aaron Staples. Vaughn Miller was on my flight today trying to hide his hoodie was pulled

so tight could only see his eyes. I saw his face later, his disguise just brought more attention to him. Have y'all ever worn disguised in public? No? Nah, I don't wear disguised. Because when you wear disguise, it forces people to really try to figure out who it is.

Yeah. Yeah, but what I do, I blend in so well, you probably wouldn't even notice me in public anyway. I blend in with everybody. Nothing flashy, you know, just normal sweats, flip-flops, a hat, sunglasses. You probably know if I got coffee in my hand or I got McDonald's in my hand, that's a dead giveaway. Other than that, but you'll never know it's me. No, I've never wanted to disguise what people already say. I knew it was you, I could tell by that voice. So you might as well just go ahead and just disguise. I mean, who am I gonna be?

What am I gonna be, put a fake mustache on? Get you a fake beard? Maybe get a fake afro? Nah, that's too much attention. Yeah, they'll be like, why you wearing an afro? What you doing with an afro in 2024? Nah, that's too much attention. Yeah, they were like, why you wearing Afro? What you doing with Afro in 2024? Nah, he's too nice beard. Maybe I give me some brain,

maybe I give me some cornrows. I like that, I like that. Cornrows. No. Isaiah Lancaster say, Ugg and Ocho, Ugg and I show nightcap is the best sport, and it's not even close to the 49ers have a chance to beat the Casey on this Sunday. Yes.

Yeah, they got a chance. Definitely got a chance. Are they going to win? Probably not. Where's this game in in KC or 49ers? I, they could, they could, they don't matter, I don't think the shit, they could have been playing this goddamn game in the Himalayas.

Is it Sam Fran? It don't matter. Ah, damn, I just saw Trav at the't matter. Ah, damn. I just saw Trav at the game tonight. He and Taylor was at the game in New York. Cause you know he's from Cleveland. Basketball? Baseball.

Oh, the guardians. That's right, the guardians. I forgot the guardians are playing. Oh, they coming off the bat. Yeah, so he don't have to be to work till. Wednesday. Yeah. That must be nice.

Yeah. We got, we got half a day Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. We had to be back by noon on Monday. I remember them days. I remember seeing everybody, everybody, all the other teams getting off a whole week. Not on my channel and watch you will get no damn whole week off. I mean, now it's required.

You got to get the whole week off. Might want to play in that. That would happen, though, Joe. It was not happening. Yes, they absolutely have a chance to beat the Florida, uh, beat Kansas City. Uh, rematch of the Super Bowl. Yeah.

But I don't know if C-Mack go play? No. He's out. And Jordan Mason, I think, is out as well. If I'm not mistaken. I could, I could be wrong. Uh, Jadavious Ward if I'm not mistaken I could I could be wrong David's Ward, I'm not sure if he's playing Wow a big blow those some big blows if they're not there

We well we got time we are we got Thursday and Saturday, but we make our prediction Oh, yeah No see Mike no Jordan Mason is questionable Thank you guys for joining us for tuning in after you watch the Bills take down the Jets on the road moved to four and two sole possession of first place 2320 over the New York Jets. Josh Allen scrambles for first down to seal the victory. He was 19 of 25 215 yards to touchdowns.

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The jets fall to two and four. Um, and we, uh, we'll see with the trade deadline, vast, vastly approaching. See what moves the jets make in order to try to get back into this thing and possibly make a wild card bid or even win the division. I'm on keys. Oh, Joe, we're off until Thursday. See y'all. Yeah.

I'm gonna get some rest. Y'all. Hey there. It's Michael Lewis, Arthur of going infinite money ball, the blind side and liar's poker. The volume. Join me and listen to Against the Rules on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Open your free iHeart app and search Against the Rules. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.