Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Pete Carroll returns, Coen ditches Bucs, Mark Andrews apology

Episode Date: January 29, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap NFL Championship weekend. Top stories include Pete Carroll returning to the NFL to coach the Las Vegas Raiders and the Jacksonville Jaguars hiring Liam Coen as their next HC. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Baltimore Ravens tight end Mark Andrews issuing an apology for his dropped ball on the Divisional round.03:14 - Pete Carroll to the Raiders14:40 - Jaguars bring on new head coach, Liam Coen26:10 - Ravens’ Mark Andrews apologizes to his team(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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When the regular season starts, Carroll will become the oldest person to ever serve as head coach in the NFL. He turned 74 in September. The previous record was held by Romeo Cronel, who was 73 when he served as interim head coach of the Houston Texans. Ocho, do you like this quote? I mean, is Pete Carroll this? Queen is Pete. Is Pete Carroll.

I like Pete Carroll. Uh, Pete's resume, you know, speaks for itself. What he's done. He's a Superbowl winning head coach. Um, again, when I look at what he has to work with over in, in Las Vegas, I'm not sure why he would want to maybe he, he knows something we don't know. Maybe he knows some, you know, he has some cookin is one of 30 Huh? What you talking about? What do you want? Hey, but 32 at all? Yeah, I know but still I mean just

Just going to take a job knowing that your lease is gonna be short knowing that you don't have the most important position On your team on that team that matter you have to compete and contend and that do, you know What conference division he's in yes a of CFC West Bronco Chargers charge yeah all of them got quarterbacks everybody got a decade so I'm not sure you got to be thinking about some eating muscle cooking up some with Mark Davis I don't know maybe oh Joe let me ask you this I and chat y'all could help you you sure that he got to be thinking about some eating muscle cooking up some with Mark Davis. I don't know. Let me ask you this. I, and chat y'all could help me. You'll understand. You 70 years old, this 32 year old thing. She nice got long hair.

She got, Ooh, skin. Ooh, built stack like dirty laundry in a door. Here down the back. And when she steps, she'll step up. Y'all don't know what'all don't talk about she was a temple y'all go see if she go have a wire sale she have on time for she'll have on the blood bottles everything is everything is immaculate and she's interested in you you taking that be careful about to be 74 how many jobs are you think he's gonna get in a fail at the age of 70? I like when you're going with it. I like it.

Listen, when you put it like that, when you give me that kind of analogy, I like when you're going with it. But everything you just said, you know, you talk about Tom Ford, you know. Yeah. You know, the nice shoes and she's a stepper. Well, everything you just described in that woman

ain't the goddamn Las Vegas Raiders. It don't figure out. You know, now the Las Vegas Raiders is the one where your homeboy say, hey boy, I saw up, I need someone to take him up for the tea in the night. Now, the one I got, you know, she's a teen now. Her friend, she say she had to bring her friend with her. Now her friend is on with Dix. But you ready to go take on for the Los Vegas Raiders. It's like getting ready to be the head coach for the Chiefs or

something. But you have to understand though, Ocho, she's shown interest. She ain't gotta have on nothing. She might come out the house with crops. She might come out the house with trots. She might come out the house with that bandana on. But she's 32. Whoo. Yeah, curvy. Whoo. Yeah.

Yeah. Hold on. Let me get my visuals together now. How tall are we talking? How tall are we talking? She's somewhere between, she's somewhere between 5'7 and 5'9. Oh. Mm. Mm-hmm. I'm gonna do you one better.

I'm gonna do you one better because we both we both talk. Let's just make it just just make a five five five nine five ten. So when she puts some heels on we call her Amazon. 32 got a nice job. She makes six figures, little six figures. When you see her out, she ain't got nothing on her. She carrying Louis all the time. She got her own.

Got her own crib. Got her own car. Yeah, you got to be careful now. Because everything you describe right now as a woman, she talks back. That's OK. Hey, I listen to you. She talks, I listen. I don't know if you talk about on choke hey I'm gonna be fit yourself man I have to do all that I'll pass that stage on choke where I got to where the pants and I guess gotta be my

way oh no she talked back you know what You right. I didn't want to go over there. Why didn't you tell me this yesterday? I like it. I like, I, I, listen, I understand where you at. Listen, you're in a different phase in your life and you have to understand. You don't have to fight with everybody. It's not like he's Ben Johnson.

See, yeah, Tom Brady wanted Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson, I ain't got no quarterback. Yeah, ideally, would I like to be in the same division? No, but I got a quarterback over here. I got skill position left over here. I got a lot of cap space and I can build. Guess what? I got a quarterback on the rookie contract

so I can put some pieces around it. You got a little time. You got about two more years. Got two more years? Yes. So with that being said, Ocho, but Pete being about to be 74, think about it. In the history of the game, there's only one other coach. Romeo was 73 and he was interim.

Wasn't head. He wasn't, you know, that wasn't somebody hired him to give him the job. He just took over. So for me, for Pete, it's a no-brainer. Now Pete can build a team, we saw what he did with Seattle, but Russ came to him in the third round, I think Russ was the third round draft pick, and we saw what happened. They had a great defense, they built that thing,

they had B-Wag, they had Sherm, they had Chancellor, they had Earl, they had Malcolm Smith, they had Bennett, they had Cliff Averill, they had Red, they had a squad. Russ come in, remember now they assigned Matt Flynn in free agency from Green Bay. He was expected. They gave him $10 million guaranteed out of a $30 billion contract, $10 million signing bonus, and he never touched the field. Russ beat him out in camp. Crazy how that worked. $10 million signing bonus and he never touched the field Russ beat him out in camp Crazy how that work Hey, and maybe they can maybe they can maybe can strike light he under but see the thing is okay He understands he's been a head coach a lot of different stuff. He's head coach at the Jets

He's head coach in the Patriots head coach at Seattle head coach here head coach at USC And you what he did. USC was, USC was not winning before Pete got there. He put USC back on the map. Now you don't have to remember when USC had that juggernaut late sixties and the through the seventies. They were hell they were loaded. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. I mean, you got to think about it. They had Charles White and Marcus Allen Ronnie lot Dennis Smith, Joey Brown, Ross all those all those guys So they were they were really Len Kane all those guys within that backfield they were really they were really good Munoz Yeah They were really good. Munoz. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think Don Mosbar was on that team. They were loaded.

But Pete knows how to build a team. But at the end of the day, if you look at the teams, when he's had his best, most success. Right. Always. That'll go fast. It matters.

And without him, so Russ and reunite in Vegas? You mean Russ? Russell Wilson. Ooh, that's a good one. That's a good one. I like what you're thinking. That's a possibility.

I'm not sure. I am not sure. Damn, that's a good one. A quarterback that you're familiar with, a quarterback that you want to super bowl with, you know, but there were some issues internally. Are you sure you want to go back to that? Nah, bro. I see the... Pete was like, I see diminishing. Nah bro, I really trying to give you 200. Russ say, bro, I, and you know, I spend the bar.

Yeah. You know, sometimes the thing be so bad on you, you got a choice, But yeah, yeah. I don't that is what that is what I said. I'm right. But sometimes that's what you have to do. Hey, you know, they're a half your age plus minus three. So that's why I come forward. That's that, you know, that's why I come forward. That's that, you know, that's your son.

I stay right here on Joe. I go out of it, you know, side to side, side to side, right here, but I ain't going outside that box. Okay. Maybe. Hey, who it is, maybe. You know, the dumb, you know, you don't talk You know what I'm talking about? You know, you know, I'm talking about you don't say that is sometimes, you know, a like a.

You boy, 27, a 37, different is different. Listen, you know, it's good. You know, it's good about us is really understanding and realizing we're not the same as we were, as we want to be. No. We understand what we're capable of doing at our age now. The things we did in our teens and 20s and 30s, man, we ain't pulling that shit off at this.

No, no, no, I ain't finna grab no 25 year old like I could when I was 32, 33. I already know that. Right now, old joke, I'ma win when I can, not when I want to. You see what I'm saying, old joke? I'ma win when I can, not when I want to. Understand that, chat. Understand. Stay with me now.

Stay with it. There's a difference between the two. Hey, you know what you got? You got self-awareness. Self-awareness is so important, but it's lacking in so many of our men today. It's lacking in so many of our... You're the kind of thing you can keep up and do some of the things you did when you were young. Oh, no, I'm...

I'm who I am. I'm about to be paid. Six months, 57. Now I don't look it. I'm uh, hey, I'm who I am about to be paid six months 57 now I don't look it. I still I'm in shape. You know, I eat my veggies and do my abs But hey at the end of the day they hit that down. Yeah. Yeah Damn, I'm 50 57. Yeah Hey, so hey, oh Joe, you know, sometimes you have to catch a scraggler coming out of the supermarket. You know how that is. I'm leading on the wall, Joe. Listen.

I'm leading on the wall, waiting on one of the guys. It's a ninth inning. It's a ninth inning, it's two strikes and three balls. What you gonna do now? Four and a quarter, two minutes, two minute drive. Hey, I want to, hey, you see your car for a little while, why don't you go eat it out? Okay. Hey, Ocho, she look as desperate as I do. You desperate, I desperate.

Hey, let's make this happen. Ocho, in a crazy turn of events, the Jacksonville Jaguars are finalizing a deal to hire Bucks offensive coordinator Liam Cohen. As their next head coach, the move comes after Cohen agreed to an extension with the Buccaneers and removed himself from the consideration for the Jags' job. Cohen met with Jaguars on Thursday to discuss the vacancy despite the news of his return to Tampa, which would have made him the highest paid coordinator in NFL history.

Jacksonville reportedly reached out to Cohen after the team fired Trent Bunkie to see if he would reconsider the offer. And, uh, after their talks, it appears Jacksonville has their guy. I like it. I like it. And the fact that the fact that he chose to leave, even though the Bucs were going to make him the highest paid off of the coordinator, you know. They gonna make him high D, they gonna make more than we were gonna make him the Jags.

How do you figure? He gonna make at least $7 million with the Jags. The highest paid coordinator probably make him make $3 million. Remember we just talked about Spagnolo making $3.5. I know that's what I'm just saying. But if they're telling him to leave the Remember, we just talked about Spagnola making 3.5. I know, that's what I'm just saying. But if they're telling him to leave the job, we want you to reconsider, I'm sure allowing him to reset the market on whatever it is. No, they're going to ask him to reconsider. No, the Jags asked him to reconsider.

So they're going to give him a head coaching job, which would probably be somewhere around $7 million. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers was only going to give him $3 coaching job, which would probably be somewhere around seven million. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers was only gonna give him three million, three, four million dollars. Okay, okay, yeah. No, I'm just saying, I said, okay, I had it backwards, but I knew he was leading. Right, right, yes, yes.

Nobody thought he was gonna make it. Yes, yes, absolutely. And look, and you're over everything. You're responsible. I mean, the head coach comes with a lot of responsibilities. You're not, you're not responsible for one side of the ball. You're responsible for the whole ball. Office, defense, special teams.

When we're gonna practice, what time we're gonna meet. Okay. What's the, what's the, the training, you know what I'm saying? As far as wait schedule, okay. Injured players, what time did they have to be there? How long the meeting go last? What time are we going to leave?

Oh, Joe for road trips. Where are we going to stay? All that goes on the head coaches. Uh, so congratulations. I mean, I hate it for Baker because Baker had really under his guidance. Yeah. He was Baker was Baker had Baker hadn't looked like the Baker that they took that the reason why they took it with the number one overall pick I think in 2016, the last two years he

showed you why. And a lot of that had to do I believe had to do with Liam Cohen. Not to say Baker doesn't have talent because obviously obviously you go first overall, you got talent. But I think he had found someone that believed in him, that had an offense that was really catered to what he does really well. He had nice quality receivers outside with Mike Evans, even though Chris Goblin got hurt this year. The young guys had come along.

I love the running backs that they got, but I hate this. I hate this for Baker, but I'm excited for someone to get an opportunity to be a head coach because, hey, last two years he's done a great job as an OC for Tampa and he's getting rewarded for his hard work. Oh yeah. That's dope. So what do you think Ocho? You like the move?

Oh yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Listen, if he can do, if he can do, if he can do what he did for Baker, imagine what he would do, if he can do, if he can do what he did for Baker, imagine what he would do for Trevor Lawrence. Baker Mayfield had Mike Evans. Now young, young bullies are stirred over there in Jacksonville now, chat. I don't know if y'all paid attention to Brian Thomas Jr. But he's the reason he's in the Pro-Po.

There's a reason he's in the Pro-P There's a reason he's in the Pro Bowl. So that magic he had in Tampa with Baker and Mike Evans has always been Mike Evans, but I'm sure he can create that same magic between Trevor Lawrence and get him turned around, you know, after getting that huge payday and Brian Atom and Junior, they were your security blanket right there.

Every two, they were your security blanket right there. Travis, again, they were your security blanket right there. Take Big you in? Yep. Then go to your security bank right there. Take Bigsby. I think you probably need to do a little bit more with the offensive line. Sure that up. I think they got a pretty good defense. Maybe look at a corner. Look at a... Look, you got a high draft pick. You got a quarterback. You don't need a quarterback. I wouldn't spend a high draft pick on a wide receiver. I wouldn't spend a high draft pick on a wide receiver I wouldn't spend a high draft pick on a tight end I don't know if there's any one that's worthy to be selected if they're an offensive lineman that's worthy of a pick that high probably not maybe a defensive lineman

maybe a DB but yeah you got Trevor Lawrence you got Bryan Thomas jr. you got Evan Ingram you got Tank Bigsby you got Trevor ATN I mean uh yeah ATN so you got Brian Thomas Jr., you got Evan Ingram, you got Tank Bigsby, you got Trevor A.T.N., I mean, A.T.N. So you got some nice quality pieces, but you got to have to protect, you got to have to protect Trev and he's going to have to do a job of protecting himself. They have the number one pick, right? No. Tennessee has the number one pick.

Oh, shoot. Okay, that means Shadoura, the Sh Shadoor is going first then. Jacksonville's at five. Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback, Matt Castle, every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers,

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wherever you get your podcasts. So let me see. It's uh, Shador probably go first to Tennessee. The second would be. I think Cleveland's at two. Then Cam Ward would probably go two. And who were in New England is three, right? No? Giants are three.

New England's four. Jacksonville's five. That might be a shocker right there, two at three. The question is, would Tennessee be moving to move down? Is there somebody that's in the draft that Tennessee says we must bet, we must have, and we don't believe he'll be available if we slide down to 3, 4, 5, 6, 7? That's the question, Ocho, because the question is, are Tennessee one player away, Ocho, or do you need multiple?

Multiple. OK, if I can slide down and get next year's first rounder, maybe pick up a second or third this year, and a second and third next year, and in 27 maybe get a fourth, I think that's the best option. Because I don't think any of these teams are one player away. Now, obviously, everybody's not going to slide down, but. If I can, if I can, if I can slide down on Joe and really, really, really build.

I think I'd be willing to do that. I don't see anyone sliding down, especially with the players that we have going that are slotted in the mountain drafts to go top five. I don't see any team coming out of those. No. Mock draft, Ocho. Shadour Sanders, one. Tennessee.

Abdul Carter, the edge rusher out of Penn State, two. Cam Ward, quarterback out of Miami, three. Travis Hunter, the all purpose, all do it all. Wide receiver, cornerback, New England. Mason Graham, D line, Michigan. Will Johnson, a cornerback, Michigan. Will Campbell, office alignment, OT, Jets. Now this is just a mock, obviously, clearly,

Tennessee needs a court. Now, you know, listening to them talk today, they're like, hey, we're willing to bring Will Leavitt back, but kind of informed him that this is gonna be competition. We know what that means. And maybe that would be a good thing for Will. Maybe that'd be a good thing. Having someone that can help,

that can force you to compete at a high level, you know, to force you to minimize your mistakes. Because, you know, when you got somebody looking over your shoulder, they can do two things. They can either make you or it can break you. That's a lot. That's a lot of, that's a lot of pressure when you know, you can't make no mistakes. When you're trying to play mistake free football, then you start to press.

You start pressing. I mean, listen, that ain't a good thing. It depends on how he's built mentally. I agree. I think the thing is, Ocho, is that AP did a disservice to the Raiders by winning that game because they slid down from one all the way to six. So there's a possibility that you could lose out on Cam Ward and Shador. Well, listen, listen, on in the war room, you never know what's going to happen. You never know what goes on. They have those phones in there for a reason.

So maybe something may happen, you know, before the draft or during the draft. And maybe somebody comes up and snatches the player that they want on their board to make sure he doesn't get away. Well, they really don't have a whole lot of tradeable pieces. The one piece they got is Crosby. Max Crosby. That's the one piece that everybody would be willing to give up a first round pick or multiple picks for.

I don't see anybody else on that roster that they'll be willing to give that up for. Brock Bauer's, but they're not trading Brock Bauer's. Hell no. But Max Crosby is the only one that I see that has the capital attached to him that somebody would be willing to give up. He's the most valuable. He and Brock Bowers are the most valuable pieces. Well clearly they're not trading Brock Bowers. But I don't think the Raiders are one player away.

But They need a damn quarterback. That's what they need. They absolutely need a quarterback. Fix that situation and then you build a round. Oh Joe, after taking several days, Mark Andrews publicly apologized for dropping the ball on what would have been a game-time two-point conversion. It is impossible to adequately express how I feel.

I'm absolutely gutted by what happened on Sunday. I'm devastated for my teammates, my coaches, and Ravens fans. I pour every ounce of my being into playing at the highest level possible because I love my team and I love the game of football like nothing else. That is why it's taken me until now to collect my thoughts and address this publicly. Even though the shock and disappointment are unlike anything I've felt before,

I refuse to let this situation define me. I promise that this adversity will only make me stronger and fuel us as we move forward. I thank everyone that has shown me and our team genuine support these past several days. Despite the negativity, I've seen heartfelt love and encouragement, including from those who have generously donated to the Breakthrough T1D organization. Even when the moments seem darkest, perspective can reveal that there is still a lot of light

in this world. I'm now going to do my part to bounce back and contribute to it. Hashtag God bless. Oh Joe was this necessary? Uh, no, no, not at all. Not at all. There's nothing you can do. There's no point of, you know, writing, writing an apology.

Um, there are ups and downs, there are obstacles, there are hurdles in a game. You don't owe anybody on the outside of that locker room an apology. You talk to your players, you talk to your teammates, you talk to your coaches, and you let them know how you feel. There's no need to apologize publicly to everyone

that hasn't put in the work you've done. They're not there in training camp with you. They're not there at meetings with you. No, they're not bleeding with you. They're not going to war out there with you. Now they do support you because they are fans of the team. Any apologies should be had within that team to individual players and nobody else if that's what individual players and nobody else. If that's what you see fit in doing, but that's the birth of brotherhood. Yes.

You know, they, they, they not going to be talking trash about you and all may you just know it happens. Oh, Joe. I mean, I remember Ernest Biner, um, and I, EB, I know EB. I mean, knew EB a long time. He was in Baltimore when I was there. I stayed in contact with him. He fumbled the ball.

He was running into the end zone, Ocho. He had a touchdown. They would have put the, put the Browns in front of the Broncos and got pulled it out. It happens. Yeah. It happens. Look at Billy Buckner. The ball went right through his legs.

It happens. Look at Billy Buckner. The ball went right through his legs. Mm. Magic Johnson had a situation they used to call, they called him tragic. He had a chance to win the game. Right. He drove the time out. They lost it over time. He was a

two-time Finals MVP. Right. So, fans are gonna turn, look, I don't care what you done. Yeah, they're turning you quick man. They're turning you quick. Their loyalty is not with you. The loyalty is there with you simply because you're part of. You on the team they root for. Yeah that's it. And that is it. I just think the thing is, he'd have come out much better. Just add.

I'm devastated, guys. We had an opportunity to tie this game up. I like our chances from that point on. And just left it. But Ocho, you can't run. You can't run. You don't have to say anything. It ain't about running. No, Ocho, you got to speak after the media.

And let me ask you a question. Had he called it and they won, do you think Mark Andrews would have spoken? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, he'd be speaking to me. Why? You said he don't have to speak. Oh, I mean, no, I'm saying, write that written letter that like the, like the, that's not necessary.

You got, Ocho, this is why I'm a firm believer. You have to be able to handle adversity the same way you handle risk. Yeah. Prosperity, success. Yeah, I didn't realize he didn't speak to the media. He didn't speak after the game and he didn't speak in the exit interview.

See, I mean, but the whole, the letter thing, that's like. Yeah, I ain't writing no letter. I ain't no point for all that, man. I mean, I might write that thing to my boot thing. He had a great season. Mark Antin. Yes! Mark Antin dropped four passes this season, huh?

He dropped four passes all year long. It just so happened they came at the wrong time. Two of them. Yes. The humble came at the wrong time. Yes. You know? It happened though, Ocho.

I think after that first drop, you know, everything else was in his head after that. But here's the thing, even on the first drop, they went down and got a touchdown. So we can't hold that against them. They scored on that. Yep. It's, look, it's at the end of the game. This is what everybody remembers. The fumble, Buffalo went down and got points out of that.

of the game. This is what everybody remembers. The fumble, Buffalo went down and got points out of that. The two-point conversion, you know, they weren't able to get the onside. Now, there was a minute and 33 seconds with two timeouts. Now, you're going to have to ask your defense. We'll never know. Maybe the defense gets a turnover and they win the game. Maybe, A, they go down and Buffalo kick a field goal and they win the game. 30 to 27. We'll never know. But you have to be able to handle adversity the same way you handle success. Because it's not what happens to you that determines what do you do. Once that happens to you. And I believe Mark Andrews is made of the right stuff. You don't have the success that he's had in this league. He's been an all-pro. He's been a pro-bow player.

He's been Lamar Jackson's most reliable weapon since he's been in Baltimore. We can't, we, there's no denying that. And Jay Flowers had an unbelievable season. But since Lamar's been there, and Mark Andrews's been there and Mark Andrews has been there, Mark Andrews has been his most reliable weapon. And I can imagine. I've been there.

I dropped the pass that would have given the Broncos home field throughout the playoffs. I'd say, if I'm ever in that situation again, ain't happening. Well, five years, six years later, I'm in that situation. Third and eight in the situation in Baltimore, third and 18. Mark, I promise you, you come back and make a play next year to win a game. What a playoff game.

Just keep your head up, bro. You're strong. You're a great player. Um, you're going to be up there with all the other grades, with the Ray Lewis is and the subs and Ed Reed, the Peter Bowe, where's in the Mike McQuarrie, uh, the Jonathan Ogden's. You're going to be up there. You're going to be all right.

You're going to be up there. Yep. You're going to be okay. So pick your head up. I know it's hurting. You're gonna be all right. You're gonna be up there, yep. You're gonna be okay. So pick your head up. I know it's hurting. I know it hurts, bro. I know it hurts because of the finality of it. Man, what could have been?

You're so close. But bro, you'll be okay. I promise you, you're gonna be okay. And it's tough. You know, all your teammates say, oh, Joe, they tried to tell you the right thing, man. You know, man, hey, man, it ain't your fault. We win together, we lose together.

But single in that knob right now, they're difficult on you. That's what I hate. But see, that was different with us. Because I remember we lost to the Giants, Ocho, in 98, we was 13, we was 13-3. Played on a Saturday. And we take the lead, we weren't playing well.

TD was really sick, but TD gave us an outstanding effort. I think TD might have had 150 yards. TD was sensational. Man, they go 87 yards in three plays. Man, we go on the bus. You know, everybody head down. I walk by to do the game, that touchdown. Like, you cost us just undefeated Caesar.

Damn. Damn, huh? Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, we were like that, Ocho. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, Lee. Yeah, oh, Tim Mekha? I said, oh yeah, you like to cost us? You like, hey, you like to fill out

like you did in Pittsburgh. Mm-mm. No. Oh no. Uh, but we had, but oh Joe, we had that type of relationship with the guys. Oh, we had no problem. You drop a pass or you gave up something. Oh yeah. You had no, oh yeah. You go hear about it.

They own you. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. For sure. For sure. But you're a me, me, hey Burns, that was, oh, we gonna keep you humble. Oh, oh, especially until, you know what I'm saying,

you gave up plays in the game, but come practice, you D-on. You all work up. Do that in the game. Oh, all work up. Oh, you got me, you got me locked up. You up there talking, you doing this all in my face. Why did you do that on Sunday? Oh, yeah, Ocho. Yeah.

LAUGHING Hey, we can let, we can let, hey, we can't let you get too high. We gotta keep you right here. We gotta keep you right here. Why is that? Because if we keep you right here, Ocho... Yeah. ...we know we can have you.

You start feeling good about yourself, and then all of a sudden you start bulljiving. No, we gotta keep you level. And so, yeah, I wouldn't have written no letter. Me personally, Ocho, that's him. That's how he handled it. I would have been mad enough to stand up there and in front of the- Me too.

Yeah, I let my team down today, guys. I did. If somebody would have told me I was going to have an opportunity to atone for the fumble by catching a two-point conversion and giving our team an opportunity to potentially take this thing to overtime. No chance. That's all I could ask for. All you want is an opportunity to be in that situation. Because a lot of times, you don't even get an opportunity to be in that situation to catch a game-changing play or a game-winning play. Moments like that come around every so often. Every so often, it don't happen all the time. Now, it's fortunate enough, because of the team he's playing for, they're going to always be in contention.

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