Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Robert Kraft snubbed, Embiid wants justice, Denzel Washington sobriety

Episode Date: November 22, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft getting passed over by the NFL for the Hall of Fame yet again. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Philadelphia 76ers Joel Embiid wanting to conduct a search for the player that leaked their team meeting and Tyrese Maxey comments, Denzel Washington reveals his sobriety and Unc and Ocho discuss their favorite Denzel movies and much more!03:13 - Robert Kraft passed over for HoF again10:26 - NFL burglaries14:00 - Julian Lewis decommits from USC for Colorado15:20 - Bryce Underwood flipped commitment from LSU to MI19:00 - Joel Embiid28:31 - Who’s supposed to text first men or women34:13 - FLA hs coach fired for allegedly watching porn during class41:54 - Ne-Yo says monogamy is not for him45:22 - Denzel reveals sobriety49:27 - Q and Ayyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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gaming resources. Here's a story I can feel bad about. Pager's owner Robert Kraft was passed over again for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. For the 13th consecutive year, Robert Kraft bid to become a Pro Football Hall of Fame. For the 13th consecutive year, Robert Kraft bid to become a Pro Football Hall of Famer from Main Zone Ice. The committee overseeing Hall's contributor category bypass Kraft in favor of Ralph A. who helped set up the original meeting

for the league to become the NFL. Kraft supporters would note that since Jerry Jones, who has overseen three Super Bowl teams is in the Hall of Fame, Kraft should be considered he's won twice as many while also serving on one of the game's most influential figures. Hey, who, who did, you know, this is a- I didn't even know. Oh, Jordan, you know I am.

I'm a historian. I didn't even know who Ralph Hay was. Listen, who did, who did Mr. Robert Kraft piss off? You know this is deeper than what we think it is, obviously. Doesn't it make you mind? Let me tell you what happened. Let me tell you what's happened. When everybody, when all these reporters said

Spygate wasn't that big of a deal, it was a bigger deal than what they previously said because I believe they hold this man culpable for some of the things because if he didn't know, he should have known. And this happened under his ownership. That's the only way, that's the only thing I- Who you think of?

I don't know how much he's been around him, but I've been around him. Yeah. He's an unbelievable, he was unbelievable. Yeah. He's one of the nicest men I've ever met. Very. He's cordial, he's always asking how you doing,

how you feel, he honest. He's like, I appreciate, I can tell. Hey, I can tell you do a lot of work. A lot of work. And I said some things about his team, about some of the players and some of the things on his team. He shook my hand. He said, I'll see you around. And he turned around and he winked.

I don't get it. Because like I said, Ocho, I've been stopped thinking I knew what a Hall of Fame was. When I saw some guys that didn't get in on the first ballot, I said, I thinking I knew what a hall of fame was when I saw some guys that didn't get in on the first Ballot, I said, I don't know what the hall of famer is. You know, you don't have that voting goes you understand the politics that goes that that goes into it and that doesn't be behind it especially with those that are doing the voting that are in positions of power and Are allowed to control the narrative and who's allowed to get in and who's not. But especially when it comes to an owner like Robert Kraft, what he was able to do since he became owner of the New England Patriots and winning the Super Bowl that

he was able to win with Bill Belichick and Tom Brady, the fact that he hasn't been letting yet, I think it's bigger than Spygate. It's bigger than whatever issues they've had. It's something that we probably don't know about. And it's almost as if it's personal, you know, to this point. Yeah, it has to be. Cause I don't, I don't know. I don't know what other reasons, um, but man's not in.

Oh, they won six. They lost two. They've been till 10 NFC championship games. Mm hmm. They've been, probably been more, hold on. Have they been, let's see, they lost to the Broncos twice. They lost to the Ravens and they lost to the Colts. So they've been to four. Yeah.

They've been to 10. The funny thing about it is, is the New England Patriots make it look so easy. They think people, it makes people believe it's easy to do. Yes. They could be won over and over and over and over and over and over every year that people are the casual fan think it's easy to do. And you wonder why teams continue to continue to struggle reaching that type of consistency year in year out.

It's very, very difficult. It's hard to win a game, let alone continuously go back to the Super Bowl year in and year out. And let the man, the man's 83. What the hell y'all waiting on? Y'all gonna wake the man and then have his son Jonathan and whomever else out there on the field. Let that man enjoy this effing moment. Yeah. They should have done put Art Modell in.

The only time in NFL history, they made the man leave the colors and the records. They didn't do that to Bud Adams. They didn't do that to Bud Adams. They didn't do that to Al Davis. Al went up and down the coast. Oakland, LA, back to Oakland, LA, back to Oakland, the Baggars. They steal the, and they didn't leave not one color.

They didn't leave not one record. The Rams. Bud Adams left, left Houston Rams, but Adams left Houston, Mr. Adams left Houston, went to Nashville, went to Memphis, whatever, kept the records. The Colts left Baltimore in 84 like a thief in the night

and did not tell the NFL with the Mayflower vans, go look it up, and leave nothing. They made Art lead the colors and the records. And he was on the TV committee, Monday night football, a lot of things, the players association. Come on, what are we doing here?

I don't know what, I'm trying to figure out why the reporters are so hell bent. What did y'all lose? He left for the same reason all the other owners leave, money. He asked them to help him upgrade the stadium. He leaves and guess what they did? They built us a bigger stadium with nicer amenities on Effet Lake area. While municipal stadium, and if you're from Cleveland, you know it was a dump. Tortoise overflowing.

It was a dump. But y'all want this man to go bankrupt. Build a nice stadium on Lake area. Y'all wouldn't get a man to die. Now he's gone now. Wife gone, one of his sons, David, his oldest, gone. What are we doing? Personal. Let Mr. Craig personal.

The man 83. Yeah. I want the man to gravel. He's been one of the greatest ambassadors that you could ask for as an owner, one of the best, and he does everything for the betterment of the league. I can't say all of the owners have been like that. We won't get into who hasn't been for the betterment of the league, but I think y'all guys know Mr. Kraft has always done everything.

What is in the best interest of the league? Oh Joe, the NFL is to the security alert this week about organized and skilled criminals who are targeting pro athletes, including the recent burglary of Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey, believed to be tied to South American Crime Syndicate. Yes, they got you boy. FBI is investigating the prime wave of international organized crime. It's legit. One source familiar to the situation told Tom Pelicero, it's trans, it's a trans national crime ring over the last three weeks. Nah, nah, nah.

Last three years, they focused on NBA and NFL players. It's all over the country. He ain't lying. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I need. We not talking about home invasions. I mean, how are they doing this as far as the crime ring? What's going on?

There's a South America, there's a gangs, they come up, they target athletes, because what do the athletes have? Money, they have jewelry, they have valuables. Stuff that I can get in, I can fence, get off of, pennies on the dollar. Anytime I take something that I didn't pay for I'll give it down if I don't give it 15 bucks That's 15 more bucks than I paid for so that's money in my pocket. You're stealing high-end watches. Hey, I got here for a meal Took all every last watch I had and they took what else they took they took my christopher backpack all my cuff links all my cufflinks all my eyeglasses

But this this ain't even this ain't even hit the news I know none of this has happened yeah They hear I think they got they got Draymond. They got a couple NBA players. I mean couple years last couple years. Yeah Yeah, they they know where players live when they're not home. Yep. Somebody say players need to see booby trap. Nah, you can't booby trap your house. They see you after dream. You can't booby trap that. How you gonna go to jail for booby trapping

your own house to catch a thief going in? Do it and find out. No, you can't booby trap your house, for sure. Hey, that's crazy. Yeah, they got Wi-Fi dramas and everything. They, hey, okay, they good, they good. Hey, these not your normal criminals. No, no, no, no, they good.

They in and out. They know alarms, they gonna hit it. They gonna get whatever they can get in about 20 seconds. Yeah. Out of there. Yeah. Out of there. That's scary though.

Huh? It is. When you think about it, when I mean, there's, there's really nothing you could do. And then you think about fam people that have family and kids, you know, your wife, your kids there, especially when you're out of town and that, that, that gets scared. Yeah. Guys protect yourself. Protect yourself.

Um, make sure you set your alarms. Make sure you know, hey, that booby trap shit. That's a good idea. Not that I'm thinking about it. Booby traps are illegal. They will put you in jail. Even if you catch somebody that's stealing your stuff, you're going to jail. I'm telling you, I ain't telling you something somebody told me.

I'm telling you what I know. There's documented cases, but he was stealing, but he was doing that. Yeah. But you can't do that. Ah, so much for the justice system. Woo. Yeah. You know, you got to have, you know, 24 hour security.

It's unfortunate that you have to have that. But, you know, high end people got it, you know, and it's unfortunate. Damn. Five star QB, Julian Lewis decommits from USC. It's going to Colorado. U.S. The number two recruit in the 2025 class ESPN 300 committed to Colorado. If you saw the pictures, Shadour is handing him the keys. I like that.

I love it. Yeah. Young Bull is nice. Now, now only we're getting a two, to our two star, the second best quarterback, second best quarterback, right? Yep. He's the second, he's the number one, Bryce Underwood.

He's the number one, he's also a quarterback. Right. The other guy, Julian, he's the number two player, but he's also a quarterback. Right. I think it's a good thing. You can't replace Travis Hunter. There's nothing you can do as far as replacing Travis Hunter.

But I'm sure we're going to have some kids hit that portal. And I think another superstar, another stud is is gonna come from somewhere and feel those shoes that number 12 is leaving once he goes to NFL. And I know it. I just don't know who it is. It's gonna be a big name and it's gonna be a surprise. It's gonna be a big name, it's gonna be a surprise. Okay, the number one recruiting nation,

quarterback Bryce Underwood recruit the nation quarterback, Bryce Underwood. Yeah. 2020 flipped his commitment from LSU to Michigan. Michigan offered Underwood four years, $10.5 million NIL deal to flip his commitment. He moved into last week, but he was staying Pat. He'd have been foolish unless they offered him 12 million to go to LSU. LSU, right. 10 and a half million dollars, Ocho?

Yeah. You understand what that'll do for your family, for you? Change your life before you even get to the NFL, buddy. Yes! Change your life before you even get to the NFL. Man, now 10 and a half million is last year lifetime. Oh yeah. Hey, hey, cause you know, if you figure out the taxes, 10 and a half million is a last year lifetime. Oh yeah.

Hey, hey, cause you know, if you figure out the taxes, I don't know what the tax rate is in Michigan. I'm just going to say, hey, you got an agent, he going to get his cut 5%. Right. You take the, just say, okay, it's a, it's a $5.250 million deal. You know what I'm saying?

Don't you cut 10 and a half? Yes sir. Uncle Sam, just whatever you? Don't you cut kid in the house. Uncle Sam, just whatever you make when you get in that bracket, just cut it in half. I mean, I would say, man, I made five. No, you made a million. I made 500,000. Uncle Sam made 500,000. We partners in this. You understand we partners. He, he the only man that ain't got to work, but get a cut of what you work for. Every time. Understand that. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side,

and Liar's Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life. The referee, the coach, the expert. My next season is all about fans and what the rise of sports betting is doing to them, to the teams, and even to my family. I'm heading to Las Vegas and New Jersey and beyond to understand America's newest form of legalized gambling. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Oh Joe, that was a lot of money to turn down, man.

Yeah. Yeah. Most definitely. I mean, any kid, any child in their right mind who has a parent would tell him to do the same thing. Yeah, now if LSU say, hey, we got 11, buddy, we got two, okay. Well, that's where my heart was set. I'm gone. Right.

Hey, money talk, but cash screams. Yeah, that it does. Bad please. And for that little bit of money. Yeah, that it does. Bad, please. And for that little bit of money. Yeah. So, Joe, you know, Ellen B says whoever leaked the real, whoever leaked that is a real piece of increment. People close, people close to Joe, I'll be thanks. He wants to find a snitch in the sleep, uh, sixes locker room.

he wants to find the snitch in the Sixers locker room when ESPN reported the details on Tuesday morning's meeting from inside 76ers team meeting following Monday night blowout in Miami, one league figure told me Joel is going to be furious and that's Embiid is going to try to find the Sixer supposed snitch. Paul George was surprised at the preciseness of the information from the meeting and that the media obtained an unnamed source.

I don't know how the hell Sean's got that story or how it even leaked, especially being like some kind of like word for word. That's the crazy part about it. So he wanted, so that was true, Joel, huh? You've been late to damn near everything. So he wanted, so that was true, Joel, huh? You been late to damn near everything. So you mad about, so you ain't mad about being tardy. You're not bad about being late.

You mad about the meeting and it getting out. You see what he did on Joe? He put the blame somewhere else. Yeah, he put the blame somewhere else, but he also wanna know who the fuck, our most cursed by accident, my bad. He also wanna know who it is in his locker room. Be on time.

What would the meeting have been if you were on time? Oh, I'm not talking about that part. That's the only part I care about. Okay, I understand what you care about. I'm saying who is the person on my team where they make my fucking stuff that's supposed to be in house. Who's the person on the team that continuously showed up late that's supposed to be in house. Who's the person on the team that continuously showed up late that's supposed to be the leader? Yeah, I mean him. Him. But I don't want the person, I don't want, don't be in my motherfucking face

acting like you like me cool, like me friends, because that's what it is. Don't be in my motherfucking face talking about we cool and we all this and you're supposed to be showing up and you ain't showing up for the meeting. So you're not, you're not, you're not listening to me. No, I ain't got nothing, I don't hear nothing you gotta say. Hold on. We understand the part about it being late. We didn't got, we didn't got to that part. No we didn't.

What he wants to do to make sure he conducts themselves. Show up on time. You told me that you want to win. You told me you want to be the leader. How the leader showed up late? Yeah. Listen, I'm with you when you're right, baby. I'm with you when you're right. Now, I agree with you on everything you are saying, but again, whoever that green ass, and I ain't for to say that word. Yeah, that go and run into the media ain't finna say that word. Yeah. That go and run into the media word for word

about something that was in house. I need to make sure I watch you. I need to make sure I watch you. So I do it. You ain't gonna find out who did it. It doesn't, hey, what's, hey, remember the latest, the latest team was the dude that snitched on, D-Lo.

Yeah, yeah, see that type of, you can't, man, come on, man. But he put it out on his social media, so we knew who it was. Dang, Ocho. Okay, but I'm just saying, we got kind of like that situation. Again, you got to stay away from people like that. Ocho. Yeah. They leaked Draymond Punch and Poo.

They found out who did it. That was a camera. The camera was, uh... But who leaked it? Shoot, I don't know, but... That was a meeting inside with Joy was... Who leaked it? Shoot, I don't know. That was a meeting inside with Joe L.B. Somebody leaked it. Hey, snitches get stitches, huh? Hey, I ain't worried about nobody snitching on me. Don't do it.

You supposed to be the leader. You the leader. How you the leader? You show up late. So if Joe L. B is showing up late, what do you think everybody else think they have a right to do, Ocho? And I just want to know, why is Joe Allen B the time more important than mine? Listen, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, thinking you like one of the better players. There's a difference. There's a difference. But I understand what you're talking about.

I'm not agreeing with it. No. But you understand what I'm trying to say. Yes, I understand. See, that's our thing. Y'all wanna cover up negative behavior. Y'all wanna cover up activity. Man, no snitch.

Man, robbing the neighborhood blind. I ain't snitching. I ain't yelling on nobody You see how dumb we sound we sound really dumb I don't get it Yes Yes. That's, yes, yes. That's, that's the whole part because if he didn't give you the precision, you wouldn't have believed it and nobody else would have believed it. Yeah. And you still could have said, I don't know what they're talking about. Mm hmm.

And then, but the mere fact that you cooperate, you co-op cooperated everything that was said, games that match. It's amazing how stories, oh, that ain't true, they lying, you know how media make it up. A month later, two months later, a year later, it actually happened. Right. All you had to do was just show up on time. I mean, they said late for it, tardy for everything.

Until they said, hey, can you get to some of the things on time? They said everything. And then he talking about the whole thing didn't last for like 30 seconds. No, you had a team meeting at eight, you showed up at eight twenty nine. Probably was late to that. Ta-da.

And he mad. He mad at himself. He refused to hold himself accountable. Still tried to blow it off. The whole thing only lasted about 30 seconds. You see what he did, Ocho? You see? Only lasted 30 seconds. I mean, what's 30 seconds? And people wonder why teams don't win. Why, when your best players have this type of attitude, wouldn't have this type. This is what happens.

What happens when you accept things and wins that you wouldn't have lost? Lost. You think in B time and Philly may be up? No? Somebody leaked it that wanted it to get out because they knew if it didn't get out, he wasn't going to change. That's why they leaked it. See, people leak stuff when they don't think you're going to change. Get you to change, now.

That's why it happened, oh, Joe. How'd that happen, Ochoo? See, it's hard to stop something. People are like, how many times you know somebody, man, hey, people don't stop negative activity until the, you don't stop speeding until the police catch your ass. Then you slow it down. You don't stop doing the thing. People turn their life around

when they take their ass to jail. How many people are like, man, I used to rob people doing the thing. People turn their life around when they take their ass to jail. How many people that made ice to rob people all the time? They never catch me. I just start cold turkey until you get caught. Man, I used to show up for meeting a lot all the time when they start taking money, they start finding you. They start suspending you. Oh, damn. They start suspending you.

Oh, damn. Hey, I'll say the word of Mr. Crown, but you and I both know had they not called spy gate, they were not stopping. Coach Belichick wasn't gonna stop. He wasn't. Why would he? The benefits are just too great. Yeah. And for people to say, it don't matter.

There's a reason why they cover their mouths when they call them Blaze at it, Ocho. Yeah, it is. You can read all that. Okay. I just don't get it. I don't get it. Why are you surprised at the preciseness PG?

Because if it wasn't precise, y'all would say that wasn't true. That didn't happen. Y'all would try to blow it off at something else. But when you say the preciseness of it, everybody knows that it's been true. And Joellen Bede has been late. Now, I don't want people to think that Joellen Bede

just started showing up late this year. Oh no. oh no. That's the one thing I like about Mike Shanahan. Everybody was held accountable. I don't give a damn if you were John or you were late, oh that money coming out, you check. TD, myself, nobody. We went to practice, that one time they came out

to the old show, the jokers and Tims and Uggs. And Tim, he's sitting everybody inside. Hey. Okay. I love it. I love that everybody, we are a team. We're not gonna come out here looking like a damn, well, coach David was the same way.

We're not going to come out here like an all tournament team. We come from five different schools and we got on different colors. Nah, we about to let, Hey, we going to match. We going to look according. We're going to get here on time. Everybody's time is important. Another day, another social media debate, Ocho. Who's supposed to text first, men or women? Another day, another social media debate, Ocho.

Who's supposed to text first, men or women? Wait, it all depends. What it depends on? It all depends. I mean, listen, there are some women that will initiate. Normally, you expect the man is the one that always initiates the conversation, the good morning, but sometimes you get women that actually like you back. Yeah, I like that.

Sometimes you get women that sometimes you get women that actually like you back and have no problem initiating conversation, whether it be in the morning, whether it be in the afternoon, whether it be at night, you know, I kind of like those guys. I kind of like those. If you choose a woman that chooses you, you know, then you don't have to talk about this debate or who will text who first because it doesn't matter because she actually likes you.

Most of the time when a woman really doesn't like you like that, she always waits for you to text. She always waits for you to text. Matter of fact, if you're talking to somebody, especially a woman, fellas, if you're talking to a woman, don't text and see how long it takes, see how long it takes for you to hear from them. That tell you all you need to know right there. I tell you all you need to know.

So that what that is on your. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, not. Oh, you go. You pull the glasses down. They're supposed to be too busy for. But they ain't been, you know,, listen man, ain't nobody ever busy. But my grandma told me that years ago.

A woman will move mountains, regardless of what she has going on in life. No matter, she doesn't use the word busy. Busy is used as a crushing excuse when you really ain't that interested. Now, find somebody that like you. Find you one that choose you. And watch how she never ever ever ever uses the word busy. Ever. Boy, she'll move, but wait what time? You free win? Oh and don't and don't listen if you do find one that is busy and y'all happen to

partake in horizontal activity and all of a sudden after horizontal activity she always free. Now that you mentioned it. Now you always free. That is like, you know what, Ocho? Now that you mentioned it. Now you always, now you always free all of a sudden. It's amazing, Ocho, how they get that tooth steak and all of a sudden it's schedule free up. God almighty, though. You know what, Ocho? Now that you mentioned it. God oh. Hey, it's amazing. It's a business. I'm trying not to scream in the hotel room.

It's amazing how that is, right? It's amazing. Now that you mentioned that and I thought about it, you right. Yeah. Yeah. You have a little tool stake all the schedule free. I thought you thought you worked at this time. I thought.

Yeah. Hey, listen, what am the first two, three weeks? Oh, I'm at work or I'm busy. Well, after work, I got to do this. You free for dinner or I can't go to dinner because me and my girls got to go somewhere. But after that session, boy, the gates of heaven open up, boy. Available 24-7. You know, if you need to see me today,

I ain't gotta go to work. You know what, Ocho Dada, you think about it, Ocho Dada, I think about it, you right. Man, listen, man. Crazy. Crazy how that work. A moment, the hot dog in the buns. That show find a way.

Every time. Every time. Every time. And the more difficult, the more difficult they are in the beginning, the more time frees up. You know what, Ocho? The more difficult they are in the beginning. All of a sudden, when you asking them,

now all of a sudden, what you got going on tonight? I got to flip it, not you. Could that what I got going on? Anything. Yeah, man. Yeah, there was some days. There was some days. I got ABU going on.

What's that? Anything but you. Oh man. I got to play hard too. Not on you, I got to flip the slip. Yeah. You got, you got, you got one thing, one thing about it. When the, when the, when the roles reverse and the power dynamic is shifted and the man has the power.

No, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, we're having a good time. I don't play games like that. Yeah. I don't. Me neither. No more. games like that. Yeah. I don't. Me neither. No mo. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Obligate like that no mo. Obligate like that no mo. Nah. I look, I ain't that look.

Here's the thing. This is how I've always operated. I will text, you know, hey, hey, how you doing? Nice to meet you, blah, blah, blah, bloon. Hey, I don't know if you got my previous message, but I was just saying hello, blah, blah, blah. After that. That's it, huh?

Yeah, cause I don't think I'm no ugly ninja. I ain't saying I'm the best. I ain't saying I'm the best. But I damn sure ain't the worst. You're good, you're good. And y'all think I'm old. Y'all think I'm him? Y'all think I'm really lump lump?

Right. I damn sure ain't really lump lump cousin. Oh no, y'all infinity. Oh no. Yeah. Play with your big neck mammy. I ain't the one to play with. Bad please.

Nah, no. Oh man. Yeah. Play with your big neck mammy. I ain't the one to play with. Bad please. Nah, nah. Oh man. Yep. So Ocho said it all to Pia. Bad check this out Ocho.

This how y'all do. Hey, I'm gonna get me a hacksaw and I'm just gonna cut Florida off. Florida always goes to bull jack. A Florida high school coach has been suspended from his job for after allegedly watching adult videos in the middle school classroom. And it appears he was caught on video taken by a student.

According to TMZ, a video is circulating online, allegedly showing head football coach of Miami Jackson Senior High School, Max Edwards, watching performers get down in the dirty while the students film him watching. Edwards is a successful high school football coach, well known in Miami Dade area. After years spent coaching two of the big high school

programs to region and even attaining state championship. Really, Ocho? Yeah, I know Max. I know Max. You know, he's from the Korea right there, right then. No Jackson right there by grandma house. You can't be doing that, man. You can't be doing that.

There's a time and place for everything. And obviously when it comes to the kids, you know, cameras are everywhere. You can't be doing that. I mean, there's really, there's no defending that. There's really nothing I can say, especially on school grounds. No.

Where I'm happy. You can't do that. You got to make better decisions. Wait, he was probably in class. He was in class too? Yes. Come on, Ocho. You know, I like, you know, Ocho, you know, you know.

I've been known to like a good video here or there. Yeah, but hold on. I'm thinking, now I can only speak for myself. I can only speak for myself, but my mind can't even in that area, in that atmosphere, in those surroundings, my mind even ain't even on that. No, no, hell no. My mind not even on that, you know, understanding that I'm like, I ain't for the seeing light now, you know, I, I, I've watched, I watched, you know, a fair share of my adult videos to get, to get, you know, to learn some tricks and to find some things that I can use, you

know, for my personal use. Right. Youying some things that I can use you know for my Personal use right no, but that's done in the privacy of my own home. Yes. I will be doing that right no damn kids Like mentally I'm not even there So I mean they might put a charge on him Yeah, yeah, hey Yeah, that's great. That's crazy though. That's crazy. Nah, I don't play the man. Come on, bro. We gotta do better. Dang.

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and probably milkshake. I said, they ain't gonna serve no damn milkshake, but you definitely not gonna get no burger. Shake Shack, I never had Shake Shack before, it's good. Yeah, they good, I like them. Yeah. I mean, normally, because we have a lot of, sometimes we have to fly out of Newark.

So we, no, they got one in JFK. Now, in the last time we was in JFK, oh, we was in Newark, Newark, Newark. Yeah. It was LaGuardia, but we fly into JFK, yeah. But you're not getting it. No matter what we fly. But hold on, hold on. You only get to Shake Shack based on where you're traveling to.

You have to be traveling. Yeah, it's got to be over 900 miles. So basically, it's basically a coast, you know, east to west, east to west. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. Shake Shack. Oh, y'all ain't got it working yet. Oh, it's a two point game, right?

Who playing? Who playing? Lakers and Orlando. Uh, Bron Bron got AD got 39, nine and two. LeBron is 31, 10 and seven, connect to 17 and then a two point game. AD missed the second free throw, did it? Brian missed the first, missed the second,

missed the first free throw, made the second one. Don't give up, no three. What is it called, Franz Wager is going crazy. He got 34. Oh. Come on, Lakers, make it seven in a row. Yes. I'm sorry that you're not going to be able to get what you call them as the shake shack. I mean, I might, you know. I'm going to like. Hehehehehe.

I'm starving, man. Yeah, you know, me and Ed Baston, we go back. Hehehehehe. I don't know it. But I'm going to get to know it. I'm going to say, Ed, that was good looking out. Who? Ed Bastin. Who was that?

The CEO of Delta. That's the homie from the crib. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he from the crib. Okay, okay. You lying. Lakers, why you let them take a three? They made it too hard. They did.

Makes a three point shot, step back. They did. Makes a three point shot, a step back. I knew them free throws was gonna come back. They always do that. And the third quarter got them again. They gave up, had a lead, five, had a seven point lead. And what you call them end up taking, wow. They ain't played no defense, had, couldn't have. point lead and what's it called end up taking Wow

they play no defense had cutting or did it turn the ball over all right what you go draw JJ the Lakers free throws again 65% 17 to 26 got crushed on the glass along 17 or 26 got crushed on the glass hold on I ain't even watching I'm on the computer bro give the bra let bra here to. You've been hot tonight from three. Oh, the game over this. It'll be 80 formal game been over. I can't have a person. Can I, can I work room service or is it too late? No, it's also not yet 2am.

You can definitely order. Don't do it. I can take the order for you if you would like. Um, yeah, you have, you have any kind of pasta this late? Neal spent much of his time lying trying to be somebody he wasn't and admit monogamy is not for him. I don't have to lie anymore. No, no, no,

what kind of possible yes. Possibly you have? I have, but it is a form of a little bit, which is not coming with a bread sauce, and we can add protein to it, and it comes with ricotta, or we can have broccoli, which is the best pasta with broccoli. And the Lakers lost y'all without Paolo Bencaro, their best player. That's embarrassing.

Right, the bread sauce or the tomato sauce. Okay, I'll do the reggaetonie. I'll do the reggaetonie. I'll do the reggaetonie. Yes, with tomato sauce. You have dessert? Anything chocolate for dessert? Oh yes, yes. I'll take a brownie, but I don't want the ice cream.

Just a brownie by itself, slightly warmed, so it comes up warm and It's okay. Thank you. We have diet Pepsi or diet or regular Pepsi. Okay. I'll just take a Pepsi. That's it. Tomatoes only with the tomatoes, the brownies, only the brownies, slightly warm it up and then one Pepsi for you. Yes, that's it. That'll take 30 minutes. Okay. Thank you. I love you too. I love you too.

And we some needs. Ne-Yo says he spent much of his time lying trying to be somebody he wasn't and admits monogamy is not for him. I don't have to lie anymore. Ocho? What's your take on Neo? Oh, Neo, Neo. I mean, you know, I think it's a good thing. It's a good thing. I think for many of us, for many men,

I think some of us have the discipline to be monogamous. Over time, one thing that many people say is, you know, Some of us have the discipline to be monogamous over time. One thing that many people say is, you know, find ways to spice up, you know, your sex life with your partner. But again, there's only so much you can do. Like if you have chicken, there are only so many different ways you can cook that chicken until you get tired of, you know, that dish, that same dish over and over and over. So for Neo to be able to to speak his

Truths and and tell his truth and be able to live, you know free I'm sure I'm sure it's a great thing Yeah, I'm Mean Yeah, I mean, define, I mean, because I think he got like two girlfriends and they know him because he's with him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not, what's the word? What is that word called for those types of relationships where you have two women at

once and they understand and- Poly? No, they- Poly who? Like a polygraph? Mm-hmm. Polyanna? Polyamorous. Oh, okay.. Polyanna? Polyamorous.

Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Polyamorous. Ocho, Denzel reveals, Denzel Washington reveals he's been sober for 10 years. He stopped drinking at 60 and used to have two bottles of wine a day. Oh, so basically who Denzel played in the movie Flight was really, that was really him. He got in the character. You got me. He got in the character.

He played, listen, I don't know, Chad, if y'all have seen Flight, obviously Denzel is a phenomenal actor, but if it's things that you already do in real life, it allows you to get lost and become one with the role that you are playing. And I think that, I'm not saying that's why Denzel played the role in Flight so goddamn well, but the fact that he has come out and said some of the things that he said on this

press tour have been phenomenal, huh? There's some other things that he really opened up about. He's a brilliant mind. He's a phenomenal actor, obviously a phenomenal man, phenomenal father. He's a friend of mine, someone that I know very well. So I've had the opportunity to sit down and talk with him a few times and pick his brain.

And oh man, just hearing some of the things I've been able to hear from him in some of these interviews and some of the things that he's done to hear from him, um, and some of these interviews and some of the things that he's done in his personal life has been good outside of, outside of the movie, you know, gladiator two, but that's crazy. That's crazy. It's never too late to stop. No, never too late to stop.

If you have advice, you know, my day might come as well. My day might come as well where I have no issue or no problem with being able to stop smoking cigars. No, I just have no, no issues. So if there any, if there's any type of health risk at any point where I got to stop, I could stop cold turkey. Okay. Oh yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely. And the fact, the fact of the matter, it's the only vice I do have. You know, I've never had alcohol before. The one thing I might not be able to stop is my morning coffee. I can't see myself stopping my cafe gone leche if I'm in Miami or when I'm out of town, like I'm in New York City right now.

I can't see myself stopping getting a latte. I can't see myself stopping getting my tall camera macchiato from Starbucks. I can't function without coffee. And normally when I have my coffee, I got a pair of my cigar. So if I'm going to lose one of the two, I can stop cigars at any day, anytime. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters

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It's called Q and A. You're not at LA, huh? No. Okay. I fly to LA in the morning. Aaron Owens said, what's your Mount Rushmore of Denzel Washington movie performances? Ooh, that's a good one. I'm still, let me, let me start.

Let me start. Let me start. Let me start. Can I start? Yeah. Mount Rushmore, Denzel movie, even though he wasn't the lead character, glory. Okay. I'm going to let you, I'm going to let you go next.

You go next. Uh, training day. Whoa. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Unless you go next, you go next. Training day. Whoa. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Because I can't mess this up. I can't mess this up. I can't mess this up.

You just ain't four, you get four. This ain't rush draft, you just get four. Get it four, you won't. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. Okay, I said- You gotta be able to think off your head, old chump. No, it's too many. It's too many Okay, you gotta pick one. You can't just look at fear. It's easy

American Gangster, I'm going Malcolm X. God damn it Give me give me inside man in this next one You could if you believe, you can do that. It's a Mount Rushmore. It's not a rough draft. When you get four movies to pick, you just pick the four best movies. All right, Tom, but I'm saying, my head is, man, I got a mean thing going through my head right now.

I just want to get it. But if you believe training day, if you believe Malcolm X is a Mount Rushmore, you can put it on your list. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I'm just making sure. I'm just making sure. Okay, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. For me, it's an old movie and I don't know how many people saw it.

Philadelphia, Philadelphia. Yep. Yeah, that's what you're gonna say, huh? Yep. Phenomenal. Phenomenal movie. And the funny, the fact that we have to do a Mount Rushmore when he has so many great movies, and this is my last one, and it's kind of weird for me. So I want to go, I want to go Man on Fire. Man on Fire slash. Oh my God, that's difficult, man. What'd you think about John Q? I love John Q. That performance in John Q, onk man, golly.

I loved him in Fences. Oh, hold on, onk. What about the scene, what about the scene, what about the scene with him and Biola Davis? Biola explained to him, you don't think I wanted to step out? Yeah. You don't think I was,

oh my God, she started crying? What was that movie that he went in? Gene Hackman was in? Pelican? No, Courage Under Fire or something like that. That matter wouldn't make. What was that movie? It was about the submarine movie.

Crimson Tide. Oh, that was a good one. Boy, Dempsey, they'll play that thing in Crimson Tide. Oh, yeah. That was a good one. Boy, damn, they'll play that thing at Crimson Tide. Hold on. What about, remember Inside Man? Yes. Oh yeah. Clive Owen. Yeah. And Jodie Foster. Yeah. And Plummer. Yeah, but my favorite of all time, even though he wasn't the lead actor that goddamn glory man yeah I loved him in mo better blues oh yeah that was a good one yeah that was a good one oh yeah I loved him in uh bico there was a movie where he played a banjo steven bico that was kind of the movie that kind of put him on the map yeah uh yeah preacher's wife him and whit Yeah. But then they're, whew.

Kebra Norwood Jr. said, are the Cavs the best team in Cleveland right now? Come on, Kebra. Yeah. That's a good one. Brandon Holoman said, was Eli a better quarterback than Tio was receiver? No, was gonna ask a Hall of Fame question, you won't answer, but see where I'm going, yes.

Yeah, but they gonna put him in because Eli's a two time, won two championships, who he beat and he was fighting, he was a Super Bowl MVP. Somebody say that woman in Move Battle Blues, Cindy Williams. Cindy Williams. Red Hood said, Cowboys are trash organization,

Jerry's at fault, but it starts with the players. When Lamar checked Marlin, he was played amazing since. Dak has been a trash leader who the players don't respect. Ocho? Yeah man, we've been on the Cowboys too much tonight man. We ain't even talking about them. For a team that's not winning, we'd be giving a little too much credit. Uh, Ocho, Dr. Frank L. Bellamy said if the Cowboys were a car, would you call it a classic that just needs a tune-up or a lemon should have traded years ago? Would you call it a classic that just needs a tune up or a lemon should have traded years ago? Yeah, that's a good one.

Lemon. A lemon, a lemon. And if you bought it, hey, guess what? As is. But hold on, the lemon don't get that kind of attention. Yeah, they do. You know how you buy a knife? Sometimes you buy a knife,

cause you got a knife, man, oh, this is my dream car. Right. And that mofo don't do nothing but give you problems. Okay, okay. I'm with you now. You put it like that, I'm with you. Oh, because a cowboy fan, let me say you're speaking nothing but facts.

I've said for years, now the team lacks discipline and leadership. Only Jerry Jones sees things through rose colored lenses. The Snipes said, Ocho, I'ma slap the slap fire to your ass next time you say sorry about my knowledge of basketball. You said it yesterday. You're doing just fine, bro.

Oh, my lack of knowledge. Isaiah Lancaster said, Uncle Ocho, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, the new age rivalry like Peyton and Tom Brady was back in. Well, they gotta start putting, well, see, like, my homes keep knocking Josh Allen out of the playoffs. Yeah, especially when they count.

Peyton knocked Tom out of the, knocked him out twice, both in the AFC Championship game, but, so Josh gonna have to get it. Yeah, they won in three against the Chiefs in the postseason. a one and three against the Chiefs in the postseason. They three and one against the Chiefs in the regular season. No, they over, they ain't won no postseason game against the Chiefs. They over, I'm sorry, they over, yeah.

Sean Napper said, hey Uncle Nocho, huge fan, big inspiration on today is my 40th birthday. I also have a question. How did you get the numbers 84 and 85? Well Sean, thank you for the support bro. Happy 40th birthday. Hopefully you did. The birthday, what? I don't know if it was as the day. So I'm assuming you on the West East coast.

They ain't not quite over yet on the West coast, but anyway, happy 40th birthday. I took 84 because my brother had 84. I had 81 when I first got into the league. So I had 80, 81, 90 and 91. And when Ricky Natile, who had 84, when he left from free agency, I got 84. So that's why I got 84. Well, I got 85 for the 85, because all that was available. Cause I wasn't number, I wasn't number, I wasn't number 80 in college. So obviously I wanted to get 80 once I made it to the Bengals, but the legendary,

the legendary, legendary the greatest Climb Peter work had number 80 at the time. So I was respectful. I definitely one asking P dub for that But 85 was available and that's how history history was was was was done once I got Robert Smith said Hall of Fame should be determined by a committee of former players who are in the Hall of Fame. I just look, it is what it is.

I think they know, I mean, like I said, I thought I knew what a Hall of Famer was until I saw some guys that had incredible careers, didn't make it on the first ballot. So I was on with that. Cam C said, guys, can you wish my daughter happy birthday? Her name is Rose. She turned nine years old today.

Cam, we absolutely can. Rose, happy ninth birthday. Almost double digits. One more year to go, Rose. Happy birthday. Hopefully you did something really fun. You and your girlfriends. Hope your dad took y'all to get some pizza, some ice cream,

but hopefully you had a very good birthday today, Rose. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. Thank you for tuning in. As the Browns beat the Steelers 24-19, keep the, that was a crushing loss by the Steelers because now the Ravens are right back in this thing. Right back. Not that they were out of it, but the Steelers,

the Browns really helped the Steelers out. The Magic go on the road, beat the Lakers, a step back three by Franz Wagner as he nets 37 points. As they take down the Lakers 119 to 118, even though to overcome outstanding performances by Anthony Davis who had 39 and nine, LeBron had 31, 10 and seven, but that was not enough. Two missed free throws late in the ball game,

one by Anthony Davis, one by LeBron James was the difference in this ball game as the Magic go on the road without Paulo Banquero and win this ball game. Thank you for joining us for this edition of Nightcap. I am your favorite dog, Shannon Sharp. He is Liberty City's own bingo ring of fame honoree, pro bowler, all pro, the legendary Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson.

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