Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Russell Westbrook makes history, Shaq feels disrespected, KeKe Palmer on Club Shay Shay

Episode Date: November 21, 2024

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and J.R. Smith react to Denver Nuggets’ Russell Westbrook being the first NBA player to record 200 triple-doubles. Later, Unc, Ocho and J.R. discuss Shaq feeling disrespected for never being included in the GOAT conversation, the guys react to KeKe Palmer joining Unc on Club Shay Shay and saying her parents split the finances 50/50 and much more!03:13 - Russell Westbrook 1st player in history to record 200 triple doubles12:55 - Lebron on DK16:30 - Shaq being excluded from GOAT debate32:15 - Taylor Knibb wins triathlon poops pants36:17 - Keke Palmer on Club Shay Shay51:11 - Woman starts viral debate about bathing1:01:30 - Q and Ayyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Swish, what will Russ legacy be? Oh, I think I think it's tough, man, because Russ, I think Russ could be like the king of Jack of all trades. He really has done it all in so many different areas. But like, I don't think people talk about his intensity that he brings to the game, even still right now. I when he first came into the league, he was able to make an impression just because he was so athletic.

And he was like, he obviously had KD, but like his intensity that he played with, he's one of the smartest players I've played against. He's in your face, he's guarding, he's taking on the challenge one-on-one, whoever the next person is, he ain't really passing it off. Like even when him and Dave used to have it back and forth, he's guarding Dave.

Like it ain't like, oh, all right, so and so go guard him. And then on the other end, somebody gonna guard me. So our matchup is get your numbers against somebody else opposed to your matchup. No, he taking a matchup head on. So for me, man, he's one of the greatest of all time. I love Russ, dog. He got a great heart, like more than anything.

He's just a great person, man. Russ is like, honestly, man, he's one of those rare people who really have a true balance of who they are on the court and who they are off the court because you can get you can lose who you are in between the media line and in real life or and just on like for me I lose it and in the sense of I'm always aware of where I am and who I'm with and what I'm doing because people already anticipate me to be on some bull jump.

They got a perception of me. They got a perception of me that I'm already on some BS. So in my mind, I'm wearing a tuxedo. I'm here with. So it's a different, it's a fine line, but for him, I really love his balance between his normal life

with his kids and his wife and his ability to play basketball and flourish. Yeah, I mean, I like Russell a lot, you know, just watching him and like JR said, I like the fact that the person you see on the court is exactly the same person you see on the court is exactly the same person you see off the court. He's authentic.

There's something about Russell, man, his aura, the way he plays, the energy he plays with, the passion. It just, it reminds me of a comparison, and I'm gonna use football for better context for those that are watching. He reminds me of Steve Smith, Sr. He plays with a chip on the shoulder he plays angry he plays violent he just he just plays like every play every play he think it's his last he going all out yeah it's like somebody

pissed him off he played like somebody pissed him off and I have an appreciation for him and I love his game he doesn't get a lot of credit you know the credit I think he deserves a lot lot of people, you know, make fun of him. Maybe, you know, by this shooting, he's not shooting. And when he has an off night, they know that he picking at him, you know, based on what he's accomplished. And obviously he's a great player. So the scrutiny is a little bit, a little bit harsh.

More than others, because, you know, they expect more from him. Two time MVP, by the way. Yeah, he won the MVP with time MVP, by the way Yeah, he won. He won uh mvp with a triple one the uh, uh Average nobody thought it could be done again after oscar did it and russ did it for an entire And no matter of fact, he did it like three or four times four times Yeah, he did it three or four times. Uh, uh And so it just goes to show I mean the thing that I can say about a manager only hard every effing Game every game every game of his entire every entire NBA career

I saw I saw my thing with this freshman year when they went to the NCAA they went to the title game I think that was it. They played an Indy. I Think they played it in the I think that was it freshman year or maybe a sophomore year made of his freshman year I think they played it in. I think that was his freshman year or maybe a sophomore year. Maybe his freshman year. Oh, you see, I guess you want to. Yeah. Yeah. Now, I think he came out of the South.

Did he? Yeah, I think so. It's crazy, because when I was like when I was working out with them and like I can see right now, like in the end, the best thought or like thing that I could put to mind what it was like when Marshawn was saying like, I just want to like, if I hit you in the face, I hit you on this play, then I hit you again, then I hit you again, and then I hit you again. Eventually you gonna fold, but I'm gonna hit you again. And then I'm like, that's how I think about Russ. Like, it ain't no, there's no, I'm going through you.

A lot of people can go around you, can go over you, can go do this and that, I'm going through you. And I love that, I love that shit. Yeah, he's a... Generational talent too. For sure. I think going to, going to what, where did he, he went to Houston, then he went to Washington, then he came to the Lakers, then he went to the Clippers. Now Denver.

Now somebody bought him out. Did he go to Utah? Yeah, he went to Utah. He went to Utah, Utah bought him out. He went to Utah, he bought him out. He in Denver, no. Right. Yeah.

No, I don't think I'd take away from him. I don't think I'd take away from him. I don't think I'd take away from him. I don't think I'd take away from him. I don't think I'd take away from him. I don't think I'd take away from him. I don't think I'd take away from him. I don't think I'd take away from him.

I don't think I'd take away from him. I don't think I'd take away from him. I don't think I'd take away from him. I don't think I? Yeah, he went to Utah. He went to Utah and Utah bought him out. He went to Utah and Utah bought him out. He in Denver, nah. Right. Yeah. Nah, I don't think I'd take away from him. Because it's like Mello. I don't think I'd take away from his credibility.

I mean, I know Mello don't have the stats and awards or whatever, but like when you start jumping around from team to team at the end of your career. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's kind of like Shaq at the tail end. Yeah, like I don't think I take away from him. I don't think so. Because it's not like he's, to me, it's not like for a person like Russ or a player like Russ, I don't think he's

searching for a championship. He's searching to play for the genuine love of the game. He genuinely loves the game. He loves the atmosphere. He like, there's nothing more that he really looking for on an accolade standpoint to like, oh, I got to, or for the outside approval to like, I gotta, I gotta fill his void within myself

about how y'all feel about me. He ain't that type of person. So for him, I feel like it's a different, um, look at it from other people's and their careers and where they at and, and, and certain conversations. Think about what OKC had. They had a guy that got 200 triple doubles. Every guy that they had at one of them, BP, be it an OKC or somewhere else. You got kept, you got James Harden got 3000 threes.

You got Kevin Durant is about to hit 30,000 points. And you have them all on the same team under the age of 25. But you couldn't keep but two. They should have went ahead and gave that other $5 million to Jay. It was a five, basically a $5 million year difference. And they kept what?

Surge, right? You're probably going to the luxury tax. And you keep Surge? Hell no, Surge? I'm gonna make a Surge to get James Harden. That's the only Surge I know. That's what I'm saying though, but that's the person they kept, right?

They kept Surge. Yeah. Bro, you lose, you aren't, wait. So you have three MVPs, you get it all the way right except for the last move and you keep yeah surge Yeah, no Yep for management For management he picked three MVPs now. Yeah, you can't let them go.

You don't let them go. I mean, I get you can't let them go, but you gotta make one mistake within the, how many years you said, six, huh? Yeah. You gotta think about it, you draft KD, you draft Russ, then you draft Harden. That's crazy.

And Jeff Green with KD here. You know what, do you think they would have won a championship at any point if they had stayed together? Hell yeah, I believe they would have. I think their best opportunity would have been when Bron's first year back in Cleveland. What year, that was what, 14, 15? 15, no, 14.

14. 14. That's when James had just went to Houston? It was the second year in Houston? Yeah. Yeah, that's when James was like really like, Oh my God. Oh my God. Cause the first year he came out the gate 45, 50, 55.

Oh my God. But that just goes to show you, he needed his own team. He was coming off the bench, he needed his own team. Yeah, it was not easy to do about him though. It was a snowball effect for not, when they, who they lost to Miami? They lost, it was after that series, well, who they beat Dallas before they got to Miami, and Miami beat them. But when, in that series, well, who didn't beat Dallas before they got to Miami?

And Miami beat them. But in that series, you could really tell he really came into his own. He didn't have that good of a series because I think Miami had a great game plan. They jumped screens really hard, and it was hard for them to pass out a double team at the time.

But that next year, it was perfect timing for him. Ooh. After rookie dog connects 37 point performance last night, LeBron talked about the Lakers front office drafting dog connect. They didn't find DK. They didn't find DK. The other 16 teams helped it up.

He can shoot it. He can shoot it and he's perfect because LeBron can find him anywhere. He can find it. You got a ratchet. He can shoot it and he's perfect because LeBron can find him anywhere. He can find him from the cross court. He can hit him with the hammer pass. You know, hey, LeBron drive and can kick from one side to the other. So he couldn't have gone to a better place

and he's a scorer because he can do more than shoot the three. I watch him put the ball on the floor and flush it. I watch him get all the way to the rim on people the three. I watch him put the ball on the floor and flush it. I watch him get all the way to the rim on people's wish. I watch him put the ball on the floor. By no means, and K love, I love you, but by no means I'm comparing you to him, but from a shooting aspect and being able to space the floor,

that's a great addition for the Lakers and LeBron. Because you got a four or five that can space the floor, set screens, pick and pop, get open, that's a recipe for disaster, because then you leave an opportunity for him to get downhill, or if worse comes to worst,

he's shoulder on shoulder against somebody in a great position to where he's either getting fouled, shooting free throws. If they do double, he kicking back to a dead eye shooter. And for them, that's what they need. They need way more dead eye shooters than streaky shooters. Right. Yes, and that's what he is.

Because prior to him, they were streaky. LeBron can get hot, Kobe and Ozarks, Oscar Reeves could get hot, D-Lo could get hot, AD can make a couple, but they didn't have a guy that would, really when he shoot it,

you expected to go here. That's the kind of reputation Swish and Ocho that he's built up for himself, that he's not streaky. He can shoot the ball. But he's more than just a three point shooter. That's a lot of pressure. When you get that ball and everybody,

all you hear in the crowd is, oh, like they're in anticipation to make shots. There we go. Oh yeah. And that's a ball game. And that's what we're playing. And bro, you ain't just playing alongside anybody. No sir.

Oh yeah. No sir. Ringling Brothers. First of all. Ringling Brothers, we gonna bring on the whole shebang coming ahead. Yes, yes. You playing with a historic franchise

with alongside a historic player. And we know what the expectations are. Eva LeBron playing with us right now, Swiss, me, you, Ocho, Jordan, and Ash, they still expect that man to win 45, 50 games and make a deep run in the playoffs. Man, what? And no matter who his teammates is, they gonna talk trash, man.

You should've got him there. I don't care. Ocho shot 25% from three. I don't care. You was supposed to influence him to make him 38. Hypothetical, Ocho. I know you got a better shot. Yeah, I know.

Listen, I shot 62% from three in high school, though. I'm just throwing that out there. You going to let us lie or? Hey, you will learn how to just, you know, just like, okay, and just keep it moving. I let him have his moment. I give him like a couple times a week, I let him have his moment.

Like, yeah, Ocho, that's about right. And then other times I just keep it moving. Okay, Shaq being excluded. Shaq being, Shaq being excluded from It's on YouTube, but go ahead. Shaq being Shaq on being excluded from the GOAT debate. That ish eats me alive. Shaq's a lustrous career has cemented him as one of the most dominant forces in NBA history.

Yet for all the accolades, four championships, three finals MVP, a 15 time All-Star, Shaq finds himself notably absent from the GOAT debate. On a recent episode of the big podcast. Shaq express frustration that lingers after his retirement. You know what eats me? Not having five, not having six, not being in the conversation for the greatest of all time.

Yeah, you're the most dominant big man when y'all talk about the greatest of all time. You're not even mentioned. That is eats me alive. I have a question. Yes. Hypothetically speaking, or Jay, either one of y'all, if Shaq has six titles in the same end of season accolades

as he has, do you think he ranks or would be in the goat debate? If he has six titles, three finals, MVP's to be 15 time all-star. But he has zero. Hold on. Shaquille O'Neal has zero MVP's seasonal. One one. Yes. Yeah. And that's great.

Six titles. Hypothetically speaking, I think 2000. I think he wanted in 2000 because I think Iverson wanted it in 01. If I'm not mistaken. Shaka has one MVP? That's impressive. One regular season MVP. That's impressive, wow. Does it change if he has six titles?

He won the MVP in 99. No, I don't think it changes. He's still not in the gold debate. Ouch. How? How? Cause you got Kareem with six and six. Like what you want? You got Mike with six and six.

Like what you want me to do? Mike got six titles, five regular season MVP. You got Bron with four and four. He has six finals MVPs. Yeah, six finals MVPs, five regular season. Kareem got six regular season MVPs, five championship, I mean six finals, he got six regular season MVPs, he got, I mean six finals, he got six regular season MVPs,

he got six titles, and he got two finals MVPs. Kareem won the finals MVP at like 37, 38. Wait, he only got two out of the seven? Who that? Kareem got two out of the six. He got two out of the six? Yeah, cause James Worthy got one, and Magic got the other three.

So he got two, Worthy got one, Magic got three. I didn't know that, Magic was cold. Oh yeah, for sure. You gotta realize, we'll never see another Magic Johnson. Magic won the finals MVP as a rookie. 20 years old. I ain't know he won three with Cap was on the team though. That's tough, I didn't know that.

Yes. That's cold. Yeah, absolutely, yes. I knew one that he won was Cap was hurt, I knew that for sure., that's absolutely yes. I knew wonder one you got was cat was hurt I knew that for sure, but that you got you got Bill Russell guys Bill Russell won five regular season MVPs He won 11 championships Damn you got will he got four regular season MVPs. I think he got two championships how many Russell

finals MVPs that ain't keep giving to the Cousins? None of them, because here's the thing. The finals MVP didn't become a part of it until 1969. Jared West won it. He was the first finals MVP, but he wanted him to losing team. J West was cold as mud. Yes. Damn.

Oh, he is Shaq. I don't know though. I ain't real, I don't think Shaq should be, me personally, I wouldn't list him in the goat conversation. How? Like I would put Kareem up there. I mean not Kareem, I mean yeah, Kareem. Yeah, you gotta put Kareem.

I was gonna say, I would put Hakeem up there. I wouldn't put Shaq. I was just starting like centers. Trying to put more comparable, I was just starting like centers. Like trying to put more comparable people. Like Hakeem, first of all, Hakeem dominated Shaq, two chips, I mean him and two finals MVP's in both. Depends on the play of the year. Like.

He cooked every big. Every big. You remember that year that they gave the finals MVP, they gave the regular season MVP to David Robinson? And they met in the semi-finals. And he cooked, no, he cooked him, Ojo. When I say he cooked him. Yeah.

He tore him up, hell, ah, ah, ah. Yes, under, yeah, yes, yes. I'm like, God, dang. Yes. Yeah, he would be, he would be learning. McCream, Kareem, Biggs have never gotten the credit they deserve because they said, well, you need somebody to get you the ball. So Kareem doesn't get the credit that he deserves.

No. People don't realize how good Kareem was because prior to 1980, the playoffs voted for the regular season MVP. So that season that will average 50 and 25, he didn't win the MVP. Bill Russell did. So proud of that. And they're like, hold on, wait a minute, something ain't right. Cause you know how it is, player don't like somebody, ain't vote for it. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So they took it from the players that gave it to the media. Now the media say, well,

media be hating too. Cause oh,ho, you know how it is, cause we vote, we get a third of the vote for the promo. Right. So it's us, the fans and the coaches. But, Shaq was, Shaq was unbelievable. And that's the problem. I just wish Shaq would have like, taken it to the seat, say, you know what?

I'm gonna get in the shape. I'm gonna stay in shape for a decade. And I'm gonna work on my free throws. Yes. I'm gonna expand my game. Cause you're never gonna see a guy like Shaq. You're never gonna see a black guy that big.

That athletic, could run like he could run, like can jump like he could jump. You're never gonna see that again in your lifetime. You saw Haley's Comet. That's what Shaq was. I'm gonna put it in an astronomy turn. You saw Haley's Comet. Once every 75 to 79 years, it comes around.

You just hope you're old enough to, when you see it, you remember it. That's what Shaq was. 100%. That's what he was. To be able to run, he's in B size, but in B couldn't touch him in athleticism. The way Shaq could get up and down the court. I don't think it's a big right now.

And true athleticism and size that can mess with him. I don't, I haven't seen it since the white, athleticism and size that can mess with him. I haven't seen it since the white, but the white was built different. Yeah. Like honestly, like the white was- The white just didn't have the weight behind it that Shaq had.

He didn't have the weight, but Shaq didn't have the lift that the white had. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The white had the beautifulness. The white was over the top of everything. He could jump over the top of the box. Shaq had that weight to where like, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, of the piece, the Kimbe, man. When he did the deke, that was disrespectful, man. When he did the deke in the finals, man, that was crazy. And that's what eats at it,

because he knows he left some food on the plate. That's what eats at him, Ocho. Gotta be. That's what eats at it. And that's why I'm saying you put all of that in, because once it's over, it's over, Ocho. That's why I can lay my head on the pillow. I got everything, God,

everything out of my God given ability. I didn't, I exhausted everything, whatever, you know, I couldn't have done anything else with what God gave me. Let me ask you this, bro. Cause what he gave me. Yeah. So you think in that, the 04, that keeps Shaq up at night every night,

that Detroit team. Yeah. Wallace, like he think if I was if I was Shaq then I could have put an extra 15 minutes in here and there and we could have dominated them. I wouldn't even no question that little bit. I think that was not. I think switch is that he looks at it. He says yes, Kobe and I got three, but we should have had five.

Right. Mm-hmm. I should have had more MVPs. I feel that. Now, I go to my grave believing that he should have, it's a year in Miami, he should have been the MVP. Yeah. But they gave it to Steve Nash.

Oh yeah, they did. Steve Nash, them with like 65 games, you know, they were high flying. I mean, he what led the league in assists, but Shaq, Shaq, Shaq knows it. That's why it keeps him up. That's why it bothers him. He's supposed to be in the conversation.

Cause guess what? You know who's going to be in that conversation? If he keeps playing like this, Nicola Jokic. Jokic, yeah. He got three in four years. Wait, hold on. If who keep up playing like what?

Yocat, he wins another, a couple of championships. He passed them, what you mean? No, but I'm saying, no, in the GOAT conversation. Against, compared to who, Shaq? No, I think people gonna say, no, he's gonna to be in the conversation when we talk about the five best players. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, okay, okay. I see what you're saying. You're right. I don't know people. This man is averaging 30, 13, no 30, 14, and 12.

I thought you were saying about comparison to Shaq. He passed Shaq to me. No disrespect to Shaq. He's light years past that. What's up man, who can't get off the, who can't jump over this ball? Nah, he ain't jump. Come on, you better get out of here. This man over here, horse jockeying in the summertime. Man, you better stop it.

I don't think he's passed Shaq yet. I think if he gets another, I think if he gets another finals MVP, because for the next three years, he's gonna be in the running for MVP, regular season MVP. It's lunch meat. Like how you talking about Shaq? When he play against any other big, including Jordan B,

it's lunch meat. He's hitting people with Kareem shit. Fake hair, fake there, fake there one-legged three cash Yeah, but not even a rim. Yeah, his threes late shot clock I don't know if anybody realized it that shit hit all draws It ain't man he killed a lake of that year that championship How many of those he hit against the Lakers with come on on, man. Like, I'm just sitting watching them. Two, one, slingshot, cash.

But I feel like Shaq had an unbelievable career. Because when you saw him at LSU, he was like, damn. That man, he that big, 7'1", 300 pounds, and he's moving like that? Now, that's the Shaq who's jumping out the building. No, for sure. I mean, that's, that's, now that's the Shaq was jumping out the building. No, for sure. I mean, that's, that skinny Shaq, the skinny Shaq was still 300. Yeah, oh for sure.

The boy couldn't move. Boy could he move. Well, I'm trying to think. Hey, he faced the next thing. Give me a, give me a, okay, so modern day best two writing, well, let me say second best two, cause I guess MJ was the best two back then. So second best two, well let me say second best two, because I guess MJ was the best two back then.

So second best two, you go between Devin Booker and Anthony Edwards. Put them in. Ant-Man? Yeah. He the second best two? You say the two best two right now, Ant-Man and Book. Okay.

So back in the day you say MJ or Cove or best two man. Maybe some people will say Clyde back in the day. Clyde. Yeah. Clyde when when Jordan when when Jordan was in his prime in the 80s and early nineties, it was Clyde. It was the Clyde and Mike. So just just say it or the book with a buddy, Jokic. Whew, that'd be a problem. Oh no, I like that a lot. I mean, obviously, cold is cold,

but if Jokic and Ant verse, because only because I know Ant is going to step up as a competitor against Cole. Yeah. I like my chances. Yeah. I think, I think because Yocitch is a better passer than, than, I mean, I don't, I'm not breaking news here because here's the guy that can average.

He could, he'd probably be the next guy to average the triple double. For sure. Because he can pass out of the double. I mean, he could do, you know, he could hand off guy that could average. He'd probably be the next guy to average the triple double because he can pass out of the double. I mean, he could do, you know, he could hand off, he could slip, I mean, he can pick and pop. I mean, he really doesn't have, offensively, Yoke doesn't have a weakness.

He can shoot the three well enough that you got the guarded. He could put the ball on the floor. He up fake, you put the ball on the floor and tear drop you off the glass. He could post you and spin. He's gonna make 80% of his free throws. I just, like I said, I just, you know, and I know, and that's the thing.

And I feel that's why I always try to tell people, Ocho, maximize it, because when it's over, it's over. It's over. And then you have to deal with the what ifs, man, if I had just, that's why I didn't do, that's why I didn't do the things that I did when I played Ocho. Cause now when I walked away, what, nothing's going to change the perception. If I'd have came back for another year, I go to another pro vote. That's not going to change the way people think of me. At all.

But I just knew that, Hey, I did everything I possibly could I'm gone and I think that that bothered Shack And I feel bad feel bad for because a lot of times stuff like that haunts you it does Even as a competition Shack is checks probably worth seven eight hundred million dollars, but he remembers What got away for sure not what he actually have oh yeah right I played so many finals man we lost oh my god one of Kyrie Kev don't get hurt we win that one KD did what he did we win like nah I don't hear that no I'm going to the grave with this. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker.

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Wasabi hot cloud storage. Store more and do more with your data. Try them for free at wasabi.com. free at wasabi.com. Olympic triathlete Taylor Nibb, that's how you say her name, is N-I-B-B, I'm going to say Nibb, won the inaugural T100 triathlon world championship finals this past Saturday. There was one small problem she had as she neared the finish line. In a viral video making the rounds online, she noticed the cameraman next to her and she says, I just pooped myself.

So can you not get a picture of my ass? Thank you, sorry. The cameraman agreed and she made her way to the finish line with a poopy-boop. Well, you know, obviously running a triathlon, you don't have a time to take a break. You don't have time to take a break. There's really no rest if you're actually trying to win.

She probably ate some she shouldn't have before she did the race. Obviously, you know, in order to compete at a level like that, to be able to run a triathlon, you have to eat. Probably the gel packs, Ocho. Them gel packs to get you when you, when you run into jail, man, them jail back, man. I'm telling you, leave them alone.

Cause I don't have someone to spend by. I'll be taking a three hour spin class. Right. You said three hours spin class. Yeah. Yeah. We are, they had a class where they would have two teachers. So the lady, one, one person would go where they would have two teachers.

So the lady, one person would go for an hour and a half, and then the next lady would come in and go, and the next person would come in and go for an hour and a half. But hey, them jail packs will get you, Ocho. I ain't gonna lie to you, Ocho, they'll get you. I know what you're talking about. I never had him before, but I know what you're talking about. What the hell kind of workouts you doing three hours spin class?

Man, I gotta get it in. What kind of days you gotta spend three hours on the bike? Oh man, swish. I would take six spin classes a day. Oh my God. Oh, swish, man, I could burn. I was burning in a day. I was burning four, 5,000 calories.

That's why y'all eat like that. Y'all eat four, five times a day, full course, big ass Thanksgiving meals and shit. And she won 210,000. I don't know if that's enough to keep me running with booty with a duke in my booty. No, that's out. I'm having, oh, I'm saying, all right, they gotta be hate.

I get the next one. No, that's out. I'm having, oh, I'm saying, all right, they got to be hey, I get the next one. Nah, man. I mean, I hate hopping for you. You out of toilet paper, you got to hop. God dang. Yeah. Pants down by your ankle. So, are you gonna keep running on Joe? Oh, yeah, absolutely. absolutely. Smakin' booty. Yeah, you call me shitty all you want. Yeah, I'm shitty with this one, I'm shitty with this one. That's exactly what I call you. I'm shitty booty, F2.

I'm shitty with this Oakley deal. He's talking about. Hey, y'all dirty, boy. I can't believe y'all. Jack, can you believe Ocho? Hey, man, listen, man, I've been through worse. Nah. But congratulations, Taylor. Job well done.

Hey, something, hey, hey, sometimes it happens. Gotta grow. Sometimes it happens. I like that she has the respect like, yo, don't get my. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But a lot of times, sometimes you don't know it't know it cuz you know you think you you think you let some wind go like oh yeah oh yeah she's like ah nah hey it's real loose back there's real squishy

Hey, oh, 79% of y'all, y'all suck, and y'all want me to come out and talk about coming to my house for Thanksgiving. Oh, hell no. No, I'm good, huh? I can't have a bad dog. No, no. I'm good, huh? I can't have a bad dog. No, no.

I'm good, huh? I can't have a bad dog. No, no. I'm good, huh? I can't have a bad dog. No, no. I'm good, huh? I can't have a bad dog. No, no. I can't have a bad dog. Mm-mm, mm-mm. Oh, nah. Nah, nah.

Hell nah. We ain't say he gonna keep it going. Keke Palmer, I had on the podcast, Ocho, I don't know if you saw it. Keke Palmer reveal that on Club Shay-Shay that her mom and her dad with 50 50 Fire I like that. I like that. But obviously you got to understand depending on who you deal with we in different times now A lot of women aren't really looking for partners. A lot of women look for sponsors Yeah, so many many won't agree with the 50-50 thing. Now there are some that come with the understanding

and will pull their end of the stick. Some are willing to go 60-40. Some men really want to be 80-20. And then there are some men that want to be full providers as well, where they want the woman to be able to keep whatever money she makes so she's able to do what she wants to do. And then if you're not in that type of situation,

every man you meet won't be in a position to be able to go 80-20. Sometimes you might have to meet someone half way where you go 50-50 and you make it a little easy for yourself and some women don't even want that. Well, they'd rather pay everything 100% and take their chances in finding someone that's willing to pick up the heavy load

of whatever it is that they come with, whatever that may be. But I mean, sometimes in some cases, women are a little bit. I hate using this word a little bit delusional understanding and thinking they're going to find a man that's going to take everything all the time, though, that ain't that ain't happening. No, it's not. Yeah, it's definitely happening. I don't mind it look here I'm old-fashioned I'll take care of yeah but sometimes like a Shannon I want to take you to dinner

Shannon I want to pay for this Shannon I want to pay for that just offer I'm gonna say no I'm gonna say. I'm going to say no. I'm going to say no. Now I have had a situation where I took a young lady out and she knew I always paid for everything. She had already taken care of it. So when I went to pay for it, the service at Mr. Sharp has already been taken care of. I'm like, you dirty.

I love it. But I was like, okay. I love that. I was like, yeah. But you mean, you know, first of all, you gotta let a lady take you out now. You gotta let a lady take you out. It's hard.

You gotta let them treat you. It's hard. You gotta let them pamper you too, dog. You gotta let them give you $20, you get your haircut done, you know what I'm saying? You go get your 15, get your nails done and shit. Like, come on, huh? It's just hard.

It's just hard. It's just honestly, guys, it's just hard for me to relax like that. Cause that's just not the way I was brought up. You know, we, you know, I'm from that school that, you know, the man took care of everything, you did everything. And, you know, even when it's like, you did everything and you know, even when they like, you know I want to I just it's just hard for me to relax

But I appreciate the gesture like I said just sometimes they were shadow. You know what? I want to do this I want to do that. I mean, yeah, I've had you know, I go to the same person to get my nails done and Mr. Shannon somebody's already taking care of a new somebody. I know who did it The only person that know where I get my nails done. But I guess that works for them. My mom and my dad have been married 44 years. I mean sometimes, oh chill that 50-50 switch, 50-50, 60-40, it might not work.

Yeah. My mom and my dad have been married 44 years. My dad took care of all the bills and everything, my mom has been the house mom, did her thing and held her thing down. Whether my mom was paying 50 or my mom was still not paying nothing like she doing now,

she was gonna talk anyway. So regardless of what we paying or what we not paying, they gonna say they mind anyway. So you might as well get through with that. Yeah. But that, go ahead, Ocho. Yeah, I was, I'm gonna say another thing. Women can't really relinquish all their power,

all their leverage. If you have a guy that's going 80, 20, or a Swiss like you said, there's some dudes out here, depending on who the woman is, and those are those tier one women where they have men that are taking care of 100% of everything,

then they have no leverage on. They have no power. You're at their mercy. You're being controlled because they are the means in which you're able to survive and live. I don't think they want no power. It's too much. I'm not that big of a control freak. I don't like having a situation where I take care of everything. And then all of a sudden you feel that I'm the king and you got the accu-west and everything else. They know I want you.

Look, I want you. I want you to say your piece. Yeah, I might not agree with it and I might not do it, but I just don't ever want you to feel I hate that. That because I pay for everything I'm taking, you know, I've taken on the responsibility of taking care of you that you feel that you can't say, or you don't have no say in the house. Now, still, I might not listen, I might not do it, but I still want to hear what you got to say, and then I might know Joe I want you to have this is not a dick to look. Somebody once told me, say, I I'll preserve democracy. I don't practice it here.

This is a dictatorship. I like that because I want everybody. I want everybody to have this say because I know what it's like when you look. My grandfather ran with an iron fist. He paid all the bills. You did exactly what he say. Or you like.

Don't grumble and stay grumble and leave. I don't ever want to, I don't ever want a woman to feel that way with me. Yeah. Um, but it's different though. You got, we in a different era. Okay. Hey, them boys, them boys out here. Uh, I mean, uh, uh, the women, the big boys, everything. And you think man listen.

All right, everything. Everything. Everything. Yeah, hold on. I was, you know, I ain't back in, you know, I try to break out a little hair, you know, a little hair, okay, head 200, 50 for the hair. Hair is another 150 for the nail, 400. They talking about the hair maker.

The LLC. LLC. I got a homeboy in a name, L C. That's the only thing you can drop that other L cause they know LL. The only LLC that's going to be 84 incorporated. Right. Um, it's, it's, it's a different world. I didn't mean it.

It is. It's a different world. But I'll tell you what, guys, tell me what I'm getting. If I'm doing all that, what do I get? Doing all what? Paying everything? Yeah, what I'm getting. The same thing you get if you was paying 50-50. Right.

If not even less. Damn! No, for real, because you gotta think, like modern day, they don't know how to cook, they don't wanna clean, they don't wanna do nothing. That's the thing! But then, so you got to think like modern day, they don't know how to cook, they don't want to clean, they don't want to do nothing. That's the thing. But then, so you do all of this,

then you got to get a maid, then you got to get a chef, and then you got to get a nanny, and then you got to get this, and then you got to go get that. It's like, dog, by the time I did all this, I could have fallen in love with the right person that could have been a Swiss Army night. Right.

Come on. But that has happened to me though. I had a lady talk, like you said, what you just said, Swish, I had a cleaning sir, had somebody clean the house, had somebody come in and cook the meals. Somebody the laundry, take the laundry, the groomers, she didn't have to wash the pit, the groomers come to the house, wash the pits twice a month. Somebody clean, somebody cook, somebody did the laundry. She didn't did.

And I remember one day she came home and she's like, yeah, what exactly do you need me for? I'm like, what are you talking? You know, so now, so now I don't jump in. What are you talking? You know, so now so now I don't jump it. What are you talking about? Right? Oh, right. She's like Shannon You have somebody to cook you have somebody to clean you have somebody run the errands I don't do anything with I don't have to you walk the dog the dogs get groomed You have somebody to pick up the dry cleaning dry cleaning You literally could pay somebody just to have sex, because that's really.

All that I do. And it really never did that. I'm thinking, oh, Joe, that I'm like, hey, she really liked it. She got it. You know, she got it. Right, right, right. That is what she wanted. Yeah. He wanted to feel like I had it. She wanted to feel she had a purpose.

She wanted to feel useful. You might need to find her in a black book. You better you better say her. Hey, we'll find her. Oh, yeah, I'm seeing that block. It's in that block. And now. No, they don't make it like that. No, I'm telling in that block. I'm just in that block. Nah. No, for real, they don't make them like that no more. I'm telling you right now.

Nah, nah. What? You ain't got nothing for me to do? Like, I don't see my, like, what? Who? Shit. You know what you could do over here? Yeah.

Thank you, y'all. Great. You know what you could do over here? But like I said, I've never I've never gone 50 50 with a with a woman. I've always taken up everything. Even guys, I'm 56. I've never had a key to a woman's apartment. She had a key to yours. Yeah. Did you get it back? Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. She had a kid of yours. Yeah Did you get it back? Oh, yeah

Well, that's a that's I'll tell that story another time with you. Oh, no, I've never I've never I've never Had a key and I've never even she's never left me the key I've never gone to my place of employment and picked up the key and was there. I've never, I've never showed up unannounced at a woman's home. I ain't never showed up unannounced, but the key situation, I done had a key. I never had a key. Ultra, you never had a key?

Who, me? Yeah. You had a key, dog. Dude, I got a key right now. I'm not sure that motherfucker works. I ain't gonna lie, I don't date you. Don't do that, Ocho. I dated a lady in the hotel lobby. Don't do that, Real got military training.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I got my bulletproof vest. Hold on, so we using names and we talking, because I seen the comments and shit. Ultra, what's going on man? Talk to me, dog. Oh no, we good. You know, man, that shit is so goddamn fake.

Okay. Yeah. He working on himself and A. That's what needed to happen. And that shit so goddamn fake. Say it no more. Yeah, what needed to happen. And that's just so god damn fake. Saying the wrong. Yeah, man. Hell no.

I was going to say something. I said, you know what? I ain't even finna give a table legs. You shouldn't. Yeah. Yeah. But you better go get that plate. Oh, yeah. Hey, I talked to sis today.

I know you did. And I was like, hey, you know, what you think about Thanksgiving? Can I come get a plate? Like Thursday. Yeah, you can come see your child. I don't know about the... You come see your child, I don't know if I'm gonna feed you. Yeah, you know.

That one thing I know about my niece, she gonna make sure you fed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then say you get your black bald head, you know what a body is. She ain't gonna let you go away after hand it. She ain't gonna let you go away after hand it. Yeah, yeah, but.

No. That was some bullshit. But hey, in all honesty, Switch, do women in today's society, do they still clean? No. They straighten up. That's different dog. But I heard that turn a long time. That's an old man's turn.

Yeah, they straighten up. They don't clean. I ain't got a lot of man. I got a solid one. She be throwing down like we still got a little service and shit, but like for her background and where she come from, it's a humbling experience for her and me. So it's like, it's an appreciation level on both sides

to be like, oh damn, like I know you're not, this is you out of your realm and you out of your element, but you pick up the slack here. And I feel like it works both ways. So it's like, it's hard to find that balance. Hey, ain't nothing wrong with that, bro. Hey, cause I've never, I mean, I'm trying to say, I've never not had someone to like clean.

Yeah. So I have a service that comes in three times a week. Normally had a service come in two times a week. They wash the iron, they fold. Yeah. You know, I have I have I if if I didn't tell you, you would know that I have animals because everything is so clean and so in place so forth and so on. But but I can get I can get how someone that's in my life. Would feel useless.

I've never booked a hotel room. I've never booked a reservation. I've never booked a rental car. Somebody's always done that for me. People don't understand that though. Like they don't get that logic or like understanding of like, wait, what? Nobody's ever like, no no, I've never done that Yeah, like no, I would even know I would even know how to get on I would even know how to get on the thing

And get a ticket. I'll be done paid $10,000 to go from here to go from go from LA to Atlanta and I'll be the guy to the wrong flight cuz I'm like, oh I thought But hey, I'm gonna get back, you know what? I'm a book myself, I'm a book myself a ticket. I'm a book myself my own flight, my own ticket. But I got to get hold of how would I got to I got to get all that. I have to like that delta dot com or something. I just can't just not.

Here, here, here. I know. I'm not going to tell you. Oh, there's an app. What about hotel? How I book a TV. Oh, it's video. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no know. Yeah. He gonna show up, no car. He got no bags packed. Hell no, where he going?

He gonna put the wrong day in. One terminal. That's what I'm afraid of, Ocho. And getting there and I'm gonna be mad. Women's, boy? Oh, that's December 31st. No, I will let Shailor handle that. No, I will let Shailor handle it. Shailor handle that.

A woman started a very intense debate on Twitter this week. When y'all watch our body, do you? You own. Hold on. No, no. We all watch our booty. Ain't nobody booty. Do y'all white? Oh, and down.

Or do you stick your oh, wow. That's what you talk about, man wow there it is right on your screen oh Joe that's sound aggressive yeah yeah that's real aggressive it's very personal but you always it's always front to back now you know that you you know that you you're front to back do you use the same clothes to wipe your butt where you wash your face with you have to wash cause Is, huh? No, my ass is my face, there's one of them. I ain't got but one, that's too much logic. I don't wash my face with a wash cloth though. What you washing with, your hands?

You got them gloves, the loofah. No, I got the gloves and then I got an exfoliant that I also put in my hand and do the exfoliant shit. I don't do all of the wash cloths, that's too wild for my face. Yeah. For me, obviously, when you say it's too much laundry, though, you know, every time when I travel,

you know I only bring one outfit, no matter where I'm going. Sometimes if I'm in about one, three days, I'm gonna wear that bitch every goddamn day because I leave room in my suitcase because I steal all my hotel towels. So it keeps me from having to buy towels because if you buy towels from Walmart, you buy towels from Target, they'd never dry you off the right way. So I always steal the hotel towels because they already broken in.

Yeah. So I always have two times. Dermatologist told me I need to stop that. And one to wash my body. Yeah. The dermatologist told me I need to stop using the wash, the the the the the towel, the clothes that I wash my body with. She said I didn't need to use that on my face. Yeah, you're not supposed to.

What man, what are you doing? What? You talking about a dry cloth? Hold on, so you thought we had two towels? You thought we had two face cloths? Oh, you talking about back then, I'm talking about now. I just stopped doing that about five years ago. Oh yeah, you tripping man.

So you wipe your ass and wipe your face to my ass is my face. No Oh Joe you want to do all that but you got but you buried you buried face nose deep in somebody booty But you worry about how clean your face No, I'd be buried, nose deep in one booty. OK, but it's still a booty. It's clean. Oh, for sure. I clean it.

Wait, what you talking about? Your lady? Yeah, I'm scuba diving, for sure. Easy, yes. Thank you. But y'all worried about using the face cloth that you wash your butt with and put it on your face, but you got your face implanted.

Yeah, 100%. Yeah, but that's different. Oh, no, man. I'm not talking about fresh out of the shower. I'm not talking about she done walked around all day and doing all this. Yeah, she done walked around all day. I ain't with her.

She done spin class. No, no, no, no, no. She done walked out. Nah, she ain't doing no three-hour spin class. She done did glute, ridge, and lunge, all that. Shot. You catch it. Swing.

Hey, listen. Hey, hey, hey. Oh, Joe, swing. You catch it straight out the car. No, sir. Hey, yeah. Hey, hey, that's natural. That's natural.

You said that's natural? Yeah, that's natural, man. That's that natural order. That natural natural. That's natural. I respect your honesty. No. Yeah, man, you know. Hey, Uncle, one day, I say, hey, JR, Uncle living in the 50s, man. I told him he gonna have to evolve at some point. Everybody use an Apple, he on IBM. Wait, what?

It's 2024, we're 425. And at some point, you gonna have to put on your school boots here. Yeah, for sure. You gotta load up. Look here, I'm done with computers. Last time I tried to do something, I f'ed that up. So even in my TVs, I'd be having to call Ash.

Ash have to come over here and straighten the TVs out because all the pass codes in her name. So Ash have to drive over to my house and sit everything straight. Because I'm like, Ash, are you on the TV right now? Because there's too many TVs on. You're not an app guy, huh? Nah, hell nah.

So you ain't subscribing and doing nothing. I ain't got nothing. I ain't got no Uber Eats, no Door Dash. You got a chef, what you need that for? No, I'm saying I ain't got no Uber, I ain't got no ride share, I ain't got nothing. I ain't got no Venmo, whatever cash, whatever. I ain't got no email, I ain't got nothing. You ain't got no Venmo, whatever cash, whatever, whatever. I ain't got no email, I ain't got nothing.

You ain't got no email. Nah, call me. Got a flip phone, 98. Bro, when I was at CVS, they tried to have sent me, they still, they was like, well you need to get an email. They sent me up an email account, and then they would call and tell me what was on the email. So I never opened the email.

I said, you just told me, so I don't need no, I don't need to check it, you just told me. We sent you an email that's telling that we changed our itinerary, we changed the schedule, it's gonna be coming. I said, okay. Shelly has an email, Shelly'll get it, read, Shelly, what does it say? But I need you to screenshot it,

send it to me in text form. Boom, we good. Yeah. How long, Shelly? I ain't got? But I need you to screenshot it, send it to me in text form. Boom, we good. Yeah. How long, Shelly? I ain't got no credit card on my phone. You got an app? I ain't got it. I can't. Oh, so you had an assistant and everything

your whole career? Pretty much, yeah. How much money was y'all making? We weren't making them. No, no, no. See, my brother had a travel agency. So she booked all the flights, she booked all the hotels.

So, and man, check this out. I have my girlfriend that I was with for the longest, when she left, shut down everything. Cause everything was on her computer and she had all the pass codes. I didn't know nothing. Oh, hell no. You ain't asked for them?

She got, you know, she's still, she's rolling. She text them to me and, you know. Are you a good guy? And then I had to get, yeah, she did, yeah. She text them to me. Cause I couldn't get anything. I couldn't control the heat. I couldn't get into the computers.

Cause I didn't know the password to get into computers. I couldn't get into anything. I couldn't control the heat. I couldn't get into the computers because I know the password to get into computers. I couldn't get into anything. I couldn't control the lights. I couldn't control the sound in the house. I couldn't control nothing. I mean, I just need better context. Why she left? What you did wrong? Oh, no, no, no, no, no. We broke up. I know what you did wrong. I ain't do anything. Oh, Joe, we done talked about this situation. She said she wasn't happy. She moved on it's okay. I

Ain't the first guy. Is she really happy though? I don't know. I we I talked to her in Five six five years four and a half years, but won't you call her back? No, I'm good You show yeah, I'm positive 1000% 1000% rolling in it right now. He got going on. That's swish. That's what that's what I do. I got a drive. Hey, when I need to go somewhere, I ain't I ain't driving nowhere. I know the place I'm driving to the gym. If I got anything that I got to do in the apartment, a Kobe, you busy today?

Now, Mr. Shaw, what you need? I need you to come scoop me. I ain't doing nothing. I respect that. Okay. Oh, you travel with security too? Like you got the details? I don't. Ash and Jordan.

He he he he he. Well, yeah. And they be walking, and they be walking, well, Jordan walks on slow Ash won't slow Are you remember the first time we went to New York and guys slowed out as you sweat

No, I don't know I don't I don't travel security you an on time guy or are you like right before the flight guy? I'm on time. So you like two hours before the flight. Ashes, ashes right before the flight. Two and a half hours before the flight. I ain't doing all that. I be there an hour before the flight. There you go, I get an hour.

But normally, but normally I fly Delta one of private suites. So I go to the thing before. And so I really, unless, you know, if they have that service, I'll get that. I really don't go inside the belly of the airport. They take me, bring me up the side of the plane, something like that.

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She gonna get some coffee. You want anything? I'm like, she, she, she gonna stop getting coffee. Even if she already had a cup on the way to the airport You go get another cup when we get through them when we get through security She go go into one of those stores and get some anybody want to thank for ash. We just ate You want anything oh, I know you want something here you go, I brought your ginger ale I know you want something. Here you go, I brought you a ginger ale.

I do drink it. Jordan, he already got like six bags of candy. I don't know where he got them from, but he got six bags in his bag. I'm rocking with Jordan, that's what dog. Skittles done. Then as Johnson said, I'm an ex-marathoner, and runners trot are for real.

So I guess, I guess that's what you get when you run a marathon and you kind of lose, I mean, I've seen what people lose control of their body, Ocho. And you know, you lose control of your body. That's a muscle controls, you know, being the ability to go to the bathroom.

If you lose control of that, you lose control of your bowel movement. And there you go. Understandable. I think that's why, that's why I'm assuming bathroom, if you lose control of that, you lose control of your bowel movement. And you don't understand. I think that's why that's why I'm assuming it should be imperative before you run anything long, especially a marathon or before you do a triathlon. You have to be careful. But what you put in your stomach before you run. I got it.

Runner's trot is also known as runners diarrhea or runners colliders is a condition that calls frequent loose bowel movements during or after a run. So you know this is gonna happen. Not to everybody but I'm pretty sure like. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not doing that. That's a sport I'm not gonna play. You got to find something else.

That's a sport. It's kind of like ultra marathon. Yeah, I ain't doing that. When you talk about you running 75 or 100 miles or you running 24 hours, things like that. Yeah, I need to find me a different hobby. That is a point. I find me a different way to make money.

I gotta prove myself and then continue to like proceed. Nah, dawg. Nah, dawg. I thought y'all was wild. I heard Cassius to peel himself and all that. Like, all right, you know what? I can still play. Yeah.

Nah, I can't do that. Casey Taylor said, Yo, Swish, remember when you were untying player shoes, I would do it to my teammates and say, JR Smith did it twice in the regular season game against Ops, second time I got attacked. Yeah, I need that bread back. Straight up, they find the shit out of me for that shit. $30,000 for some shoes cranks. God, that's the richest pair of shoes I ever non-war.

Yeah, you coulda bought some dance stock something. I swear, I coulda bought a business with that and created my own shoes. Ocho, JJ Carver said, Ocho live from Han Potter's Stair Storage Room. Oh, you talking about the, yeah, yeah. I'm not. No, I'm sitting in the bathroom.

That's normally what a toilet is. Oh, Joe. No, I'm saying I'm sitting in the bathroom on the outside. So the computer and the camera is set up on the sink and this is the closet behind me to my right. Right. Here's the bathroom, the toilet right here. I could see him touch the toilet and the bed is right here

to my left. Ooh, very nice. Very nice. Ain't gonna be no two people. So it just, okay. Now don't Thanksgiving though. Yeah, you're gonna try to, you're gonna try to go over there.'re gonna try to go over there. He gonna try to go over there sweet talk real.

What's the best pie baby? Stand your ground real. It's too soon, it's too soon. Yeah, stand your ground real. That's right. He's gonna try to sweet talk you and make you bring a gift. Damn, who's time you on?

Hey, literally, it's too soon. I'm gonna, you know what? I'm in the middle. I'm I'm I'm I'm gonna wait till the 25th of December. Oh, boy. You dirty Ocho. Yeah, there's gonna be an opportunity and a chance.

It'll be that day. It's gonna be that day, huh? Yeah,, it gonna be that day. Boy, you bringing out the big gun there, boy. I swear, boy, that boy. I ain't got no choice. Look at me. Oh! Oh! Yeah! Ah!

Dude, good luck. Oh, I hate you. Bye as well. I can't wait. Swish, we gonna let you answer this one. 4KT said, start, bench, wait, switch. We're gonna let you answer this one. 4KT said start bench cut bust edition. Darko Milicich, Hasim Thabit or Anthony Bennett. Darko. You got to start one, bench one, cut one. Darko Milicich, Hasim Thabit, Anthony Bennett. I guess Darko is the only one who really actually played. So Darko,

Asheen, cause that's my New York boy, and Canadian last, Anthony Bennett. So you gonna start Darko, you gonna bench the beat, and you cutting Anthony Bennett. Yeah.

I mean, Darko was still number two pick, man. Yeah, he was three two pick now You three No, it was good. It was number one. I think it was trash Yeah, what you mean was he was trash he was bad. I mean the beat was number two though, right? Was he to be a seven or nine or so? What what what pick did the beat go? I Thought I felt like he dropped. Hashi, Yukon. He went second.

Yeah. Yes. To the gridleys. Yeah, that's a bad pick. Who else was in that draft? Who else? Who went first in that? That ain't Blake grid draft, is it?

Yeah, it is. Blake was one. So they had an opportunity to draft Steph. Hey, yo. Yeah. Hey. And they had an opportunity to get Harden. Oh, my God. DeMar DeRozan, Steph Curry. Holiday Teague. Yep.

Wow. The beat it was. McHale Brock said, Hey guys, I'm a big fan from London and I'm coming to Miami today for the first time. What food spots would you recommend? Oh Joe, you're going to Miami. You got it. You got to try.

Write this down real quick. If you're going to Miami, listen to me. I'm going to be going to try. Write this down real quick. If you go into Miami, just listen to me. I mean, we don't get the to this. Kayvon Webster, very good friend of mine, had a spot called Smith and Webster. Write that down. Webster then is the friend of mine that I grew up with childhood friend who also has a place in Liberty City. You don't have to worry about anything.

Liberty City is gentrified. Now it's called I crave you'll like that. Try Eye Crave. Another spot that I frequent is a Cuban spot that you might like is called Havana Cuban Cuisine. Okay. And after that, there are a bunch of five star restaurants that I never go to that you will love that are on South Beach. And those, I put that, I'm sure you probably going with the Mrs. or something, you can enjoy those. Shut up my boy Miles Prine.

Yeah, the three I gave you are for me, the price point is cost-efficient for the way I like to spend. Outside of that, the rest of the restaurants, the five-star stuff, you own your own. outside of that the rest of the restaurants the five-star stuff you own oh must love cash hey hey Shannon Ocho seems like you're interested in a younger woman would a mature successful millennial who can cook be your type PS she would pass gas in private at all times asking for a friend. OK, she asked for herself.

She's shooting that shot. Wait, hold on. She should pass gas in private because he say women can't pass gas in front of him. No, you got to go to the bathroom. You're going to do that in front of me. I hear you. I'm old school, Swish. I hear you. Now we're not for this. It's hard. I see. I see some. I see some things come out of these things, man. And they about some about 715. Yeah,

at this point, it's just like two months. I was there for the whole thing. I caught Lil Homie. So for you to let go. Yeah, I was there too. But he ain't smell. He didn't smell, my bad. I don't know where you was at.

That shit was there rocking. I don't know. Hold on. Let me get this right, Ocho. A woman can ask that a man be six foot or above. Right, right. Weight 200 or above. Right, right. Make X amount.

Right, gotta be a provider, gotta be a provider. I say, just don't pass gassing. Oh man, I can die, see. No. You want a man to be over six foot. You want him to be over 200 pounds. You want him to be over 200 pounds. You want him to be able to travel. You want him to make six figures.

You want all that. But if I say a lady, just go to the bathroom and pass gas, I'm confused. It seems like when we have stipulations, oh, that's out of the realm of possibility. But that's a little harsh though, huh? Like to me, like to me, if they asking all of that, like to me it's like, okay, if you asking all of that,

just don't complain when I got marathon shape, when I'm in marathon shape and I work like an athlete and my appetite is built like an athlete, just make sure you can provide an athlete's meal consistently. And if you can't do that, then you just complaints and like, I don't got a headache, I'm tired. I don't care if you cook like Bobby Flay and Gordon Ramsay,

you're not passing gas around me. So that's off the table. I don't care if you make 10 million a year, you could earn me, that ain't happening. Oh, nah. I put the wig on, I make the bacon, I put the eggs, what's happening? You said what?

That's gotta be, they tripping, huh? Switch, they gotta be a line. They gotta be a line. Switch, I don't think that's asking too much Did just to go to the bathroom to pass gas bad way for that no contest you dropping about What is asylum though Daddy happens with because when I I'm gonna be I'm a little hour it looks so you're gonna let yours rip though No, no.

You won't find a woman that'll tell you that I've done that in front of her. You can't find a woman to tell you I'm going to the bathroom in front of her. I go, when I go to the bathroom and pee, I turn the water on so you can't hear it. I ain't gonna lie, I go all the way in the back. I go to a whole nother bathroom.

I go to the... Ice, listen, and I understand, Chyanna, that's just natural. Yes, I understand that's just natural. It's a body function. Well, take your body, so since your legs functioning, walk your ass to the bathroom and do it. You'll never know true love until you can use the bathroom

with your partner right there. Well, I ain't never had it. I ain't gonna have it. I'm just saying, my grandma, my granddaddy always said man, when you're comfortable enough to use the bathroom with the door open, you can hold a conversation with your partner and that is the definition of true love. What we talking about? Whatever that's important, you waiting you get your stinky ass up out the bathroom. I'm gonna wait until I get my ass out the bathroom we not fit to talk let me listen to me stay with me now some of the greatest conversations of our head when you're using the

bathroom I'm on there by 30 40 minutes you know so that's a perfect time where I can't run and I can engage and listen to whatever is you need to say. That's the best time to get whatever you need to get off your chest. It's a window. It's a nice window for you. Perfect window. Listen, a lot of times they don't even know. We don't even know. We got all these rooms in this house. Oh, you got money.

Oh, you got money. I mean, at first, normally when I first start dating, man, please. I said, hey, I said, hey, you know, man, I sure could use some orange juice. Can you go to the store and get some orange juice? Anything you need? I go get some. Ain't no way.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Ain't no way. You send her out back outside? Yeah. Yeah, that way you send her out back out outside. Yeah, I would go. I would go to the guest house. I'm going to go. True story.

I had a guest house and I had a gym. I had to turn the it was a three car garage, but I turned it into a gym. I will put my workout clothes and everything. I'm going to go work out. I would go to the guest house, go use the bathroom, and come back in. I'm like, nah, I didn't feel like it today. And Denver or Baltimore?

Cause God damn, that's the- Denver. I mean, no, I was in LA. Oh, this is recent. Oh yeah, in LA, when I was in LA. Oh, but when I was in Denver, no, no, no, no, no. You ain't gonna you you're not gonna find one cuz I don't do that I don't do that in front of them. I go to like I said, we got three four, but we got three four bathrooms. Hey

I'm gone Hmm No, no, I eat pull that one off. That's that's a tough one. That's like Superman stepping in the damn phone booth That's a tough one. That's like Superman stepping in the damn phone booth. Nah, I can't. I can't. I can't because you know what it is, guys? My turnaround ain't that fast, dog.

I gotta sit there for a minute. Nah, we grew up, but you have to understand, Swish, I grew up around women. And so me and my brother was the only ones in the house. That's why I always wear shirts. I don't, you know, I'm from the shower, from the shower, I put, hey, I put lotion on, I got my clothes back on. I don't walk around, I don't walk through my house naked,

I don't walk through my house barefooted because that's how we grew up. And I remember I was about 10 years old. And my grandma said, boy, you know, I have a hundred, just jock, we call them jocky shorts. My grandma said, boy, put some shorts on over there and put a t-shirt on. And from that point on, in front of women,

I just felt like, okay, I'm not supposed to be walking around like that. And I don't. I respect that. I respect the hell out of that. Mine's a right to be. Look at Ocho. Ocho looking at me like, I be at that thing, butt bomb.

Nah, I swear, but a nigga,. Straight up, running across the deck, hitting tape like, man, shit. Nah. Earl C. said, JR, how hard is it chasing around Steph and Clay in the finals? Did you prepare differently? If so, what did you do? Nah, I didn't prepare differently.

For me, it was, I already had it like, by the time I was coming off of Gardinem, I was already playing Demar in the Eastern Conference Finals. So I kind of had like a deny the ball aspect with him. With like a D-Rose and Jimmy is kind of like the similar. So for me, it was always like try to make it hard for them to even catch the ball.

Because if they catch the ball, that's when they most dangerous. So if I don't let them catch it, that's the only way I honestly used to play it. So for me, my biggest thing, I used to run about six, seven miles a game, which is a lot for an NBA game. Yeah. Just on trying to, I used to try to focus on beating

every beating the person to the spot more anything, because by the time you counter and he you know, the person make a lob pass or whatever else I can make. At that point, I'm relying on athletic ability. But if I'm smart enough to know your plays and beat you to the spot, then everything else I can adjust on. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, that concludes this edition of nightcap. We want to thank you for joining us, uh, for a very special nightcap basketball style.

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