Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 2: Seahawks Rashid Shaeed joins NIGHTCAP, Dana White talks UFC on PARAMOUNT + Brandon Aiyuk FINISHED in San Francisco + Ben Johnson tells Bears it's BACK to SQUARE 1
Episode Date: January 23, 2026Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson welcome Seahawks Rashid Shaheed to Nightcap, Dana White drops by to discuss UFC's first weekend on Paramount, Brandon Aiyuk is officially done i...n San Francisco, Ben Johnson says Bears are back to square 1! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Rashid Shaheed joins Nightcap17:44 - Dana White talks UFC on Paramount Debut37:30 - Brandon Aiyuk done in San Francisco52:06 - Ben Johnson says Bears back to Square 11:03:40 - Play or Fade with PrizePicks1:04:58 - Q & AYYYY (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Transcript
Discussion (0)
All right, we got a very special guest joining us.
The game against the Rams, he got it started.
The punt return got the Seahawks going.
And this week, he ended the game 13 seconds into the game
because the 49ers were ever, never able to recover.
He got acquired a trade on November the 4th.
It might be the best trade that has happened in a very, very long time.
Here he is, the outstanding.
Return guy for the Seattle Seahawks, Rashid Shahid.
Rashid, how you doing, bro?
She, you mute it.
You muted, bro.
He might be some kidding to me.
He don't understand technology.
Yeah, that's my cousin.
Yeah, that's my cousin, y'all.
He's muted right now, chat.
So he's trying to get, he's trying to get connected.
Shee, man, you're young.
You're supposed to be able to know how to hell of that.
If I.
Unmute button should be bottom left.
He's in the laptop.
We're going to get this.
We'll get this figured out shortly.
You ain't got no tech guy there with you, Rishi?
He, he hears us, Ocho.
Get up my cousin right there, chat.
Because he don't know, he don't know issue about technology either.
Hold on.
Let me use the bathroom real quick.
Go here.
No, Christian, walking through it.
This is what you get when you get live television, people.
things everything doesn't go always without a glitch
a mute should be bottom left
from the log out and log back in
Ocho he'll froze now
Yeah yeah there we go see
I know my cubs my cousin got
I knew my cuda can figure it out
Okay she was good
She was good what
Man I'm here man just watching you man with a smile
On my face every time I see
Hey tell me what that feeling is like
Obviously the go from New Orleans
Things were eh
it wasn't what you would like.
You get over there, down there to Seattle,
man, what does it feel like to be the reason
and part of the reason for the success
that you all have been having lately?
It's a beautiful thing.
It's a beautiful thing.
I've enjoyed my time here in Seattle so far, man.
The way the city, the team has embraced me,
it made the transition so smooth
and it's been nothing but a great time, man.
So shout out to my coaches and my teammates, man.
It's been a hell of a rise so far.
That's dope.
That's live.
To go from New Orleans, and now you're one game away.
I mean, when you watch the Super Bowl growing up as a kid,
and now you're one game away from being in that, in that game.
And as Ocho said, you jumped started it with that punt return against the Rams.
Now, we don't know you could have gone on the road and still have a level of success,
but the road would have probably been a lot more difficult because instead of playing two games,
in getting to the Super Bowl, you had to play three games.
And then, as I mentioned in the lead-in,
you ended that game 13 seconds against 49.
Hey, game was over.
Because once you returned that kick, it was over.
Game was over.
You saw it on their sideline.
You saw it, their body language changed.
It was over from that point.
So now, what made you, what did the coach call?
You had a white return, a middle wedge.
What the coach called?
And when did you see, like, I can get this a house call?
Yeah, that's what.
return on the Rams,
we kind of knew that their left side
was kind of their weak side.
And we called the left return at a perfect time.
Shout out to my special team coach.
He's a genius.
And we made the play work.
And as soon as I broke through,
I made the cut of the field.
And I knew I could crib it.
And the 49ers also,
because I mentioned the Rams on that Thursday night,
you guys were behind the whole night.
It was like, when you returned that,
punt, it was like, it was a, I mean, just like, everybody got energized. And in the 49ers game
to kickoff, you know, bro, I'm like, 13 seconds, the game's over. I mean, normally you're like,
we're going to play, but they never, they were never able to recover. And, and you've been doing
your thing also, they hand you the ball, they'll throw you the ball. They're using you like you
always envisioned. And they use you early like that in your career in New Orleans. But now to get an
opportunity to go to play where you're being used on a team that's really good with a chance to get to the Super Bowl.
Yeah, no, these are the opportunities that you kind of dream about, you know, as a player growing up.
I mean, to be in this game coming up, I mean, it's going to be like a dream.
It's going to step on the field, man.
It's going to be all the lives are going to be on and be excited.
Everybody's going to be excited.
These are the games that you work so hard for.
So it's just a blessing to be a part of this team, man.
This team has worked so hard to get to this point.
And we have to be wearing this.
Yeah.
What is the transition like been like for you, you know, from a, from an offensive perspective,
being able to transition from New Orleans to Seattle and being able to pick up the system.
Has it been difficult?
Is everything still easy, the terminology?
Yeah.
How is it?
It's been smooth.
Thankfully, I came into a system that I'm pretty familiar with with New Orleans last year.
Right.
I had coach Coop with them in New Orleans for about seven games.
So it took me about a week to kind of hear the wrong.
language,
get the formations right.
And once you get the formations,
everything kind of just flows.
And it's going to be a transition.
Yeah.
So where were you when you got to call,
Rashid,
who told you?
I mean,
did you see it strolling on the media?
So where were you when you got to call
that you were no longer going to be a New Orleans Saints
and you was headed to the Pacific Northwest
to be a Seattle Seahawk?
Crazy story.
So I was pulling in to the Saints facility.
I was on my way to get.
some body work done. So get them the tubs, you know what I'm saying? On my off day, and I get the call
as I'm pulling in, and it was my financial advisor who called me before anybody else. And he kind of
said, he said, what do you say? He said, there's no state tax in Seattle. I'm like, what are you
talking about? And then he kind of broke the news. He was like, oh, you don't know. He told me.
So that was my first, you know, introduction to all this. And it was so many emotions. It was so many,
you know, so much going on in my head, but, you know,
you ain't go get no work?
You're like, well, hell, I'm going to go get this last,
I'm going to go get this free last work.
I'm going to get the cold tub, get me, get some peat in.
Well, they said I had to have my bags packed
and arrange the door in like four hours,
so I hadn't have no time to say my goodbye,
and I had to go.
Yeah, that's dope.
Man, that's unbelievable.
So now you get there and you mentioned, like,
you had Clint.
I've known Clint, his dad was my quarterback
and my officer coordinator in Denver.
So I've known him since he's like seven, eight years old.
And to see how he's able to attack you guys with JSCN and yourself and all those guys,
you run the football.
What's it been like?
Because like you said, you had him for a little while.
You had it for like seven games when he's calling plays in New Orleans.
And now he has complete control of this offense.
And he trusts Sam Donald.
He trusts you guys implicitly.
Yeah, like you just said, he trusts us.
And he believes in us.
and he lets us know that each and every week
and we come in with the same mindset
and he has an expectation for all of us
and that's the goal out and dominate, man,
and that's what we do.
That's why it's so special to be a part of this group
is because we all kind of work together
for one goal each and every game,
each and every opportunity that we get.
You know, we're out there playing for each other
and that's what makes it so special.
You do realize that without you,
there's a great chance to Seahawks don't have
because you guys were just milling around,
just meddling around,
and then all of a sudden,
the Shaheed bomb exploded.
And then not only did you get the punt return,
they hand it down,
I think they handed it to you on like third down,
they had a handoff to you,
and you go 31 yards down the right sideline.
Yes, sir.
Yeah, no, that was a crazy game.
It's an honor to be part of that, you know,
moment being able to bring my team to spark
that we needed to, you know,
ultimately, you know, be the first seed.
Have you been to the market yet?
Have you gone to where they third?
the market where they catch you,
where they throw the fish,
you get the paper and you catch the fish.
Have you caught any fish yet?
I did it.
I did it.
I got a video.
I'm waiting to drop it, you know.
I'm gonna let everybody know that I've been there.
Hey, did you catch the fish though?
The first time, the first time.
I caught the fish.
First time.
Okay.
Oh, oh, let me, let's the thing, Ocho.
Did you have paper or was it with the bare hands?
Because sometimes they'll give you paper,
sometimes they'll let you bare hands.
Bare hands.
I wasn't with it.
First time, it was really my mom.
My mom was the one who wanted me to go up there and do it.
Okay.
You know what I'm saying?
You got to do it.
Mom wants you to do it.
You got to do it.
So what type of fish was it?
Oh, man.
Salmon.
It was a salmon.
Okay.
Yeah, okay.
And things get big.
Are you, you like seafood?
You do eat seafood?
I do.
I do.
Yeah, I'm in the right spot.
Sure.
You absolutely, because you get it fresh coming straight out the bear and sea.
Yeah.
The Alaskin king crabs.
I mean, you name it, they got it.
They got fish. I ain't even never hurt because I'm up there like, what the hell is that?
Yeah.
I ain't never heard of that fish or never seen that fish.
Oh, yeah.
It's great.
Hey, you, you are healthy eater?
Are you, like, big on, you know, eating greens and eating healthy and all that?
Are you?
I got the Ocho method going on.
That's what?
I got the Ocho.
There you go.
There you go.
No, he said he got the Ocho method going on.
Yeah, I try.
I've known the method for a minute now.
There we go.
That's some folks out.
Let's go.
That's gonna talk about.
Let's go.
They cook for y'all.
They give y'all breakfast, lunch and dinner.
They cook whatever you want.
They cook fish.
They cook like salmon.
They cook everything.
I mean, nice.
Broccoli and rice and Brussels sprups and cream things.
Everything, everything you just named.
Man, I ain't talking to you.
I'm talking to Rashid.
But everything you just name is why everybody
keep getting hurt.
Hey, I didn't say that.
But we do eat good though.
Do you good.
You'll be eating that fast food.
I mean you don't care if you eat unhealthy you let the sea hawks dietitian prepare food
for you a schooling what would you be eating sometimes she I be you know sometimes sometimes sometimes
yeah not like you oh cho all the time now he said something he it's called balance uh it's called balance
thank you got to have balance yeah just imagine if i'd had you had you eating right
seven eight time first team all pro i was and and
I got you, I got you a couple of 120-k seasons.
Nah, we don't throw the ball that much back then.
You would, if you'd been me, you'd had to get,
I'd say, we got to get Ocho to Rock.
They won't listen to you.
Well, Shee, man, congratulations, man.
Good luck.
Stay healthy.
Do you like it?
Do you like being in Seattle?
You want to remain in Seattle?
Yeah, I'm loving it.
I feel like they brought me here for a reason and that's to stay.
So that's it, that's it.
I'm a Seattle, Seattle.
Yeah, yeah.
You married?
No, no, I'm single, man.
Oh, you single?
Single.
Boy, I got somebody for you, too, boy.
Yeah, let me know.
Yeah, she don't speak no English, though.
That's okay?
Yeah, that's cool.
I told you all that my cousin.
I told y'all that my cousin.
Y'all heard what he said?
Yeah, I told you that my cousin.
Yeah, I got you.
I'm going to let you focus.
I'm going to let you focus.
Yeah.
After y'all win the Super Bowl, and I got you.
Yeah.
Hit me this off season about that and about training, too.
As a matter of fact, hey, you know,
J-SIN came to the receiver camp,
the wide receiver workshop last year, man.
Come on down here, man.
Hey.
Let's get a little work in.
Okay, more definitely.
Well, congratulations, man.
The trade, everything has worked that brilliantly.
Your one game, your one win away from reaching
your ultimate team destination, which is getting to the Super Bowl.
So congratulations, stay healthy.
Rashid Shahid, the great return man.
for the Seattle Seahawks, and he played the little offense also.
Thank you, man.
Thank you for joining us, bro.
Appreciate you guys.
Thank you for having me.
I appreciate you.
Appreciate you, man.
I'll take care.
Oh, man.
All right, fellas.
Back to C.J. Stroud.
Derek Lewis, you know who Derek Lewis is, right?
UFC, Blackbees?
Oh, yeah.
A matter of fact, I want to fight him.
Oh, shit.
Derek Lewis says C.J.
Stroud might be cursed.
Let's take a listen to the reasons, Ocho,
why he says or why he thinks what he thinks.
Okay.
What moves would you like to see the Texans make for next season?
I guess we've got to see what's going on with CJ.
I think ever since we've seen him show
with Amber Rose at the softball game a few years ago
and Kim Kardashian and all that,
and I'm like, man, it might be like a curseful.
I don't mean, I don't, listen, man, ain't, man.
Man.
I didn't know.
I ain't know you're going to say that, Ocho.
Yeah, I don't like that.
So just for that,
tell Derek Lewis, man, he got to see me.
You hit me on?
Like, I'm listening.
I mean, his personal life off the field
ain't got nothing to do with on the field.
There ain't no goddamn curse.
Thing just didn't go well.
He didn't play well.
He knows that.
He took accountability for that.
So now, Derek Lewis, boy,
you got to see me at least three rounds.
Three rounds.
I don't, I don't even know, Ocho, you go around.
Hey, uh, let me tell you something.
One thing about it, right?
Now, we could talk about NFL players.
We can do that.
We're not going to have no outsiders,
whether you're a fan of the team or not,
disrespecting my young colleagues.
He just said he'd think that there might be,
Ocho, this is not the first time
that you've heard about the Kardashian curse.
It's not.
Hey, come on, we're not doing it.
I'm not saying, I'm not saying there's any validity to it.
But don't not pretend.
that you haven't heard about it.
Yeah, but ain't, I don't believe in all of them, them, them super.
And he's, oh Joe, you got to realize he's, he's a, he's a, he's a Houstonian.
Hey, you know what, um, you're making it worse for Derek Lewis because the more you talk
about it, the more I'm gonna beat his ass.
I'm for real.
Man, we got to go down to Houston, man.
Who?
Me and you.
Shitting me, but the hell you say, I ain't going nowhere, boy.
That, um, that's the devil's playground.
I just got saved two months ago.
I just got saved.
Hey, I got my pick fork out back.
Hey, oh, hold on, hold on,
so Derek Lewis, he in Houston?
Yeah, he's from Houston.
Yeah, I'm going to go see him, boy.
I'm going to go see him.
Hey, they got, where are you trained at?
You know, he got, they fight Saturday here,
he's fighting Costa.
In Vegas?
Yes.
Okay.
And team mobile.
Okay, I'm gonna let it, hey, a chat, y'all do me in favor.
Tell Derek DeWis, I wish him good luck against Costa, Costa,
whoever you got to fight.
But after that, after he fight Costa, Costa, and win and do whatever he needs to do,
you got to see me, boy.
Octagon, boxing ring, MMA, wrestling on the ground, groundwork, pounding,
man, whatever you want to do.
You ain't fin to talk about stride like that, boy.
Yeah.
See, sometimes when the big dudes, um,
You know, they feel, they feel safe being able to comment like that.
And it ain't no pushback because they don't know everybody's scared of them.
So it takes somebody like me like to kind of set the record straight.
Like you mean you ain't, you ain't going to just be able to say what you want to say in front of the camera.
Speaking of the fight, it's now time to welcome Daniel White.
We had a great conversation with him a few hours ago, Ocho.
So chat, check out the conversation that Ocho and I had with the man of the hour, head of the UFC.
Mr. Dana White. All right, we got a very special guest joining us. The final boss of the UFC. He's going to tell us about UFC 324, Justin Gagey versus Patty to Batty Pemblet. This is UFC's first fight on Paramount Plus, the new landmark deal that was signed in 2025, the first of two back-to-back marquee events being followed by UFC 325 Volonowski versus Lopesek 2, the second on January 31st.
Dana, you know the thing in marketing, Dana.
Never give anything for free that people to pay for.
UFC have been pay-per-view for the longest.
Why was it so important for you to sign this deal with Paramount Plus
so UFC would be people, if you have a subscription,
you'll be able to watch it for free.
Well, a couple different reasons.
First of all, my goal was always, I truly believed when I grew up,
there was Channel 3, Channel 5, Channel 8, and Channel 13.
Yeah.
Then in high school, cable came at HBO and like 30 channels.
MTV and all that stuff. I truly believe that as technology got better, it was going to be a
channel three, channel five, channel eight, channel 13 again, but it would be global. And I've always
felt that, you know, my sport works everywhere. Fighting, everybody gets it, everybody likes it.
And if you get the right fight and the right place at the right time, the ceiling is eight billion.
There are eight billion people in the world. And if you put on the right fight, a lot of people are going to
tune in and watch. This is what I've been dreaming of where everybody could watch the same
fight at the same on the same channel at the same time. So streaming always made sense to me.
So I was all over. Yeah, when you talk about making the right fights, when you talk about
marketing and branding and wanting to continue to evolve the UFC and going in the right
direction, how do you decide what are the right fights that the people want to see?
First of all, what's up, brother? Good to see you.
And, you know, it's all about matchmaking.
Everything is about matchmaking.
You go out and you find the best up-and-coming young talent in the world
that you think has the potential to become a world champion someday.
And then as the fights, as you make the fights, they all start to play out.
It almost becomes like a soap opera.
That's why the UFC has been so successful.
Everybody's under contract with us.
And, you know, boxing became this thing where,
if you lost one fight, you lost all your luster and shine and, you know,
and it was over.
You guys lose multiple fights.
And when I noticed that people didn't care, they just wanted to see great fights,
was Arturo Gotti.
Arturo Gotti would put on these knocked down, drag him out wars.
And even if he lost, he would sign new big deals with HBO.
You know, we want to see great fights.
We want to see, you know, the,
find that dog in them.
And, you know,
and that's why there's trilogies.
When there's a great fight,
then they do it again.
And if it's great again
and the other guy wins,
you do it a third time.
So I always believed in this,
and I always felt like,
as long as you match,
well, this is what I sell,
holy shit moments for a little.
That's what I do.
So if you put on a fight,
the card that night,
and you get two, three, four,
holy shit,
everybody jumps out of their seat
and, you know,
goes crazy.
whether you're at home you're in a bar or you're there alive you've had a successful night
when you when you look at go ahead go ahead go ahead we're talking about holy shit moments
where you talk about matchmaking and making and putting the right product inside the octagon right
is there a fight that you've always wanted that you weren't able to to get accomplished or one
that you see later on in the future that you'd like to see get in the ring that will obviously
be a holy shit moment yeah i mean you need that you need that marquee fight you know the big one
at the top that everybody's like,
oh, I'm waiting for this.
And then you build a bunch of great fights underneath it, right?
What you really want to do is, listen, guys,
and I know you both can relate to this.
So being a boxing fan,
boxing would come in and they'd put on this show.
The main event was all anybody gave a shit about, right?
Yep.
And then they'd build a card under it.
And you would stay, more importantly than anything,
I'm asking you to stay home every Saturday night, right?
Now, you have Friday, and Friday's really not fair because you work, you don't get out of work to five, six, seven sometimes.
And then you have a very limited time that night.
Saturday is your whole day.
You got night.
You got wife.
You got kids.
There's a new movie that came out.
Maybe there's another game that you're interested in.
And you have to sit and watch my product, you know, and I have to deliver for you.
Now, what boxing would do is they'd come out, you know, once or twice a year.
And they'd put on an event.
I'd stay home on Saturday night.
And I go, God damn it.
They got me again.
That was terrible.
And it's like a going out of business sale every time they put on a fight.
They grab as much money as they could get.
And then they disappear for a year.
And then they come back.
And we're so stupid.
We forgot how bad the last one was.
And we did it again.
And, you know, that's what I wanted to change when we built the UFC.
And it's what I want to change in boxing now.
This fight that we're putting on on Friday night on Paramount Plus,
the whole card's combined record is 227 and 9.
And the top three fights, everybody's undefeated.
So at the end of 2026, and if you're in Zufa boxing and you're still undefeated, it actually really means something.
Yeah, you look at 324.
When I look at your matchup, you got Justin Gathe who has dynamite, he's going to fight.
Patty the Batty, he's going to fight.
You got Waldo Cortez-A-Cost and Derek Lewis, the Black Beast.
He's going to fight.
You got Sugar Sean, Amelma, who's looking to bounce back, Dana.
He's looking to bounce back from a sub-part performance last time.
O'Malley loves to knock people out and strike.
He's fighting Song Ya Dong, who does the same exact thing.
Is that what you're looking for?
Like in boxing, you were just talking about boxing.
You know for the longest time, people only gave a damn about the heavyweight division.
It's not like that in UFC.
These smaller guys, all they want to see is action.
And you made it look, I'm not paying you to come out.
out here and dance around and get a decision.
People want to see knockouts.
This is why they love the UFC more so than boxing.
This is what they expect.
An elbow, a spinning kick, a knee, or something.
Get his ass out of here.
There's so many different ways to win and so many different ways to lose.
It's what makes the sport so exciting.
And these kids fight their ass off.
And when you talk about, again, and what does the fight mean?
So you can matchmake and make good fights stylistically.
But when you look at O'Malley, O'Malley's rank number three.
in the world in the Bannamweight division and Song and Dong's number five.
So it's a very important fight that means something with two of the guys that are in the top five.
Same thing with Gaei and Topporia.
Those guys are both top top five.
That's for the interim title.
The winner of that fight fights Ilya Tuporia for the champion.
Oh, yeah.
Tuporia, nice.
So, hold on.
So, hold on.
The winner of Gachi Pimblet fights Tuporia.
Is that going to be the White House fight that you're going to make?
Is that what's going to happen?
Is that what you're doing?
No.
Everything we're focused on right now is for the launch this weekend.
Doing boxing for the first time, you know, first fight on there.
Monday.
Monday, every ounce of our focus will be.
I've already, I'm in the war room right now.
I got the entire Cindy card done.
February 7th is done, 21st, 28 March.
All these cards are done.
They're all lined up.
Our entire focus will be the White House fight on Monday.
Wow. So do you have it? I mean, looks like whoever wins out of Gage, Pembleau,
fights to poor, that's looked like a White House card. Do you have anything else in mind?
I heard you kind of waffling like, okay, John Jones versus Piazza, that might be a possibility.
Do you have any idea? Because this is got, this is 250. This got to be the grandest.
And you've done some bigger business, Dana. This has got to be your biggest, your baddest, your brightest, your brightest.
because the entire world will be watching this.
Yeah, well, that's the way I feel about every Saturday we go.
It's got to be the biggest of the best.
But yes, we need to deliver at the White House for sure.
So yesterday, my head of production, Craig Borsori,
he's been to the White House 10 times now working with their ops team
and my ops team on how to put this thing together.
So they did this whole video rendering.
Like it literally shows how the sun will move across the octagon.
you know right early on what it'll look like when it's dark like actual trees and
everything and guys this is going to be so bad ass the setup that we have on this day it's just
incredible so much like the sphere when we did the sphere yes it's going to be incredible
and now the fighters just got to come in and deliver now you talk about fighters delivering right
i want you to picture this right you think about the white house card don't stay with me real
quick dana just i want you to envision this all right don't close your eye but just envision
it. Envision you have the product, the product in Ocho, right? White House card. We don't know who
I'm going to fight, but you just put me on the card because you understand what I bring to the
table and the excitement that it can be with the buildup of having me. They call me hell of hands
because I fight so well. Sometimes you think you're fighting two people, right? So boom, the light's
dim, right? And then out of the blue, you hear the music, littered skin, free bird, blasting, right?
And then the light start flickering.
Then the smoke comes.
Then I come up out the smoke, right?
A.
And then the world, the world is going crazy.
The world is going wild.
And now all I need is an opponent, Dana.
I need you to see my vision.
Are you boxing or you?
No, UFC.
I need to be on the White House card.
Oh, no.
Now, you know, I love you.
Okay.
You know I love you.
This is a really bad idea.
What?
I just gave you the vision.
So Dana, unrelated, Nunev and Harrison,
the fight Kayla got injured.
Is that something that might get rescheduled for the White House?
That, you know, literally the greatest female fight ever made.
It's going to depend on how Kayla heals from her surgery.
So, you know, there are a lot of different factors of playing who, when, what time.
and all that stuff. But that would absolutely be something I would put on the White House card if she was ready.
325, Bolonowski, Lopes, too. This is the first time Bolonowski as a champ would be fighting on his home soil.
Was that important for you? Was that important for him? How did this fight come to be?
Yeah, I mean, anytime you go into these countries, you want, you know, their guys on the card.
Front and center. The other thing is when you go into, you know, place like Australia, they want to see a lot.
of the other fighters that they don't get to see all the time fight too.
So, but yes, I mean, it's a no-brainer.
I mean, we got him, co-made event is Dan Hooker.
Yeah, but the answer is yes.
Dana, this boxing thing.
And you said, look, here's a sport that's been going on for 100 years,
made trillion of the trillions of dollars.
And they don't have is to show for it.
And then if you want the belt, you got to pay $300,000 for a belt.
And every time you defend the belt, you got to pay another $300,000.
or $200,000 to keep the belt.
That's some bulljive.
I think I can come up with a better model.
You see what we did with the UFC.
We took a company that was worked,
we bought it for $2 million.
And all we had was UFC and a ring.
And what we've turned it into.
So I believe we can do something similar,
similar for boxing.
Is that what your thought process?
That's why you got involved with this?
Well, you want to know it's fascinating.
So when we built the UFC,
I took everything that I loved about boxing.
and everything that I hated about boxing.
And that's what I incorporated.
Now, if it works for the UFC,
it's got to work for boxing.
But Dana, you know you was talking about growing up
and how you watch boxing.
The thing that I love most about you
and what you've done with the UFC,
back then there was no ducking.
Sugar Ray fought, Sugar Ray fought Hagler.
He fought Hurons, he fought Duran.
They fought each other.
They fought Barclay.
You go back to the 70s.
Ali fought Fray.
He fought Norton, he fought farming, he fought Ron Louse.
There was no ducking and dodging.
And the one thing I can say about you,
if you do UFC, I don't give a damage,
you got a belt or not.
You're gonna fight the best guy.
You ain't been to hand pick somebody
that you can get a cheap paid off Dana White.
He ain't gonna let that happen.
Hey, Dana, before you go, I'm glad Unks said that.
I'm glad he mentioned it.
And Dana, you kind of talked about it earlier,
where most boxers in general today,
you don't wanna take that zero,
Because when you take that zero in general, it diminishes everything you work your ass off for and they view you differently.
You can't command the type of paydays you want to if you take an L.
How are you going to?
That's not, but that's not true.
And I prove that's not true.
And here's the thing.
The reason boxing became so big is because of everything that Shannon just said.
The sport was loved.
You built these not just built superstars.
You built icons.
You know what I mean?
you know, Ali, Duran, Leonard, Hagler, the list goes on and on.
You literally icons were built.
Millions of people watched it free and live on ABC's wide world of sports,
and everybody fell in love with the sport.
And then it just got fractured and broken and messed up along the way.
And here I am.
We'll see.
Dana, you said when you did, it's like, you've done some big events.
You've done events around.
You've done Madison Square Garden.
You've been around the world.
You've been all over the place.
And you said the sphere was the biggest event that you've ever done.
How do you talk that?
How do you get the White House to top the sphere?
Yeah.
So the White House, the president himself tells me,
I've done so many different things and been a part of, you know, big events.
And he said, I have never had people call me more and ask me for tickets.
to anything else I've ever done the UFC event at the White House.
You know, the White House is so iconic and such,
you would never expect.
Absolutely not.
It will never be done again, you know?
So this is truly a one of one of that,
and what an experience for anybody out of these 4,000 to 4,500 seats that I have,
the people that actually get to come and experience this is going to be,
and even to watch it on TV.
And I made sure you guys are going to see it.
built this structure. I'm like, I don't want to, you know, we usually have screens and all this
shit. I said, I don't want to see anything. But the White House, but, you know, it's the backdrop.
Backdrop. You know, the Washington Monument on the other side. That's it. Right. But you're going to
have a staging area where fans like, okay, you got 45, you say you're going to have 4,500 to 5,000
seats that will actually be in attendance on the White House grounds. Right. And then you're going to
have a staging area where, go ahead, tell the story. Cross the street.
street is the ellipse, like right behind the South Lawn is the ellipse.
85,000 people can be there.
And there will be screens.
We're going to have a stage.
We're going to do music for the fans out there.
We're going to take over D.C. that week.
Oh, my goodness.
Hey, can I ask you a question?
I know I'm a little bit early.
Are we, are you and I, are we attending the White House event?
Since Dana said, I can't get on the card.
All we at least going.
Well, look, I know we're going to be a part of the, uh,
The sponsorship, the Dana's going to come on and talk about it,
the couple of days leading up to it.
Hopefully we can get a couple of the fighters.
I know they've been trying to make weight cut weight.
So maybe earlier in the week,
we'll get some of the fighters to come on to help Dana promote this thing.
Because I just look, I love, I love.
Get the show out in D.C.
Come on.
Okay.
We can do that.
Hey, Dana.
I really, I really.
Well, we're going to need some help with that budget to do to pull that off, Dana.
Because, look, I go back to, I go back to UFC when UFC first started.
I'm going to smoke the whole $7.7 billion on this frigging event.
You know what, Dana?
This will be, they're the chance that this will be, this will be like a World Cup soccer match.
Absolutely.
This will be a billion, a billion five people actually watching because, like you said, it is free.
And so if you have a subscription and I don't know how many people have Paramount Plus,
but I'm sure, you know, three, 400, you know, around the world, maybe two, 300 million people will have it.
Well, here's the great thing about Paramount Plus is that now, for what,
what used to cost you, you know, for the price of a pay-per-view.
Yes.
On our old deal, you got the whole year.
Everything you have for the whole year.
Plus, they have tons of other entertainment and movies.
I don't know if you guys are in the landman or mob land.
But if not, you want to watch a social.
Mobland is really good.
Incredible.
Good.
Yes.
Well, Dana, thank you for taking your time.
You let them go already?
Go here.
Dana.
Well, he only got 15 meets it.
He got, he pushed for time.
UFC 320.
24 Justin Gaethe versus Patty to Batty Pemble, January to 24th,
Las Vegas T-Mobile Arena, Gagachey versus Pembleet,
O'Malley versus Sondong, Yodon,
and Waldo, Woldo Cortez-A-Costa versus the Black Beasts.
Those are the main guys.
This is what we know when the Black Beast fight,
somebody going to sleep.
That's the truth.
That is the truth.
And I don't know if you guys know about Waldo.
This guy is taken, he came off the Contender Series,
and he takes last-minute fights,
and he viciously knocks people out.
Him and Derek Lewis is going to be ridiculous.
Because Derek Lewis ain't really trying to submit somebody.
No, he is not.
He tried to throw him in.
100%.
And the president loves, loves Derek Lewis.
So if he wins, I can take him out of the car.
The president's going to want him at the White House.
That's unbelievable.
That's unbelievable what he's been able to do.
Dana, thanks for joining us.
Thanks for making this, uh, joining us tonight on nightcap.
We greatly, greatly appreciate it.
Best of luck, and I can't wait to see the fight on Saturday tonight.
Appreciate you, boys.
Thank you.
Appreciate it, Dana.
Have a good one.
You too.
That was the final boss, Dana White, talking about the UFC going to Paramount.
Plus, all the cars that's coming up, you saw I mention the fight with Justin Gaci and Patty Pimlet.
They have another fight next weekend in Australia, and we got an opportunity to talk about the fight that's going to take place to mark the market two.
250th anniversary of America with the fight that's going to be on the White House lawn.
So it was great.
It's always great having Dana stop by and talk about the UFC.
Ocho, the 49th of John Lynch says it's safe to say.
Brandon Ayuk will not be back in San Francisco.
John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan spoke a little about what happened to Iyuk.
Let's take a listen to what they had to say, Ocho.
Have you been able to determine why he was so upset,
why he wasn't showing up and just any background you can give on that?
I wish I knew.
Yeah, can't help you there.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Have there been a line of communication with him?
There was, but not anymore.
I will do that snap?
Well, when I'm coaching, I don't hang out in the training room at all.
So I don't see guys much that way.
But I say it officially stopped for me when the last time I tried to get a hold of him and
couldn't.
and then tried a couple more times, it still couldn't.
And then that matched to everyone else that
was trying to get a hold of him and couldn't.
And eventually, there's not much of explanation
because it's really hard for us and anyone else to understand.
And that's why it's something I've never seen
in 22 years of coaching.
So just it's unfortunate.
And that's, it's confusing because it's confusing for all of us.
So, but it eventually becomes it is what it is.
And you try as hard as you can,
to fix something that you don't understand.
But it's not like we understand it very well still.
But eventually you understand that it's not gonna change
and you gotta move on with your football team,
which is always the most important thing.
I've never seen it out of y'all.
I don't know, maybe you, maybe in your circle,
you played, you know, I was in a couple of years,
you know, a decade before you and you stayed
about seven, eight years after I left.
Yeah.
So maybe you've seen something like this,
but I've never seen anything like this.
No, I've never seen it like this.
either. And obviously we're not going to get the answer from the coaches or the GM.
Obviously, everything they say is going to be PC. If we want to know what the answer is,
if we want to know what the issues were, we'd have to talk to Brandon I.U. And at some point,
I'm not sure if he's the type that will voice the issues and concerns that he had there.
Obviously, he wants to move on, them saying he's not going to be there. Well, hell, we could have
told you that when he decided to give back 24 or whatever meaning, he decided to get back by not
showing up. So he really wants to get out of that situation. Something went wrong.
I don't know where it went wrong, but whatever it is, listen, both sides need to move on.
I'm excited to see where Brandon Ayuk is going.
I'm excited to also see how well he's recovered from rehab to see how far along he is
because he is one hell of a player, Unk, when he, when it's time to go.
So I'm hoping he's not get carried away now.
He's not a top five receiver.
I'm not sure he's a top tier receiver.
He's a good.
He's a good receiver.
That's good enough.
I can't compliment the man about being good.
You said, hey, he, he, you, you, I said he's a really good receiver.
He's a really good receiver.
Okay.
I didn't say he was the, I say he was, I say he was Jamar or Chase to Justin Jefferson.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm just saying, you know, he, he, night, but this don't make sense to me, Ocho.
Right.
Okay.
You're injured.
All you got to do is go rehab and leave.
Okay.
The general manager try to call you.
Your position coach tried to call you.
The head coach.
You can't find the time to call back.
You just stop showing up.
There's a reason why.
We just don't know the reason why.
He wouldn't just do it for no reason.
Of course, they're not going to state what that reason is.
Oh, Joe, the only thing he has to do is get treatment.
He don't have to come to meetings.
You're not listening to me.
I am listening.
There's more to it than what they're going to say.
You're creating a scenario and making it in his simplest form and all he has to do.
There are other things that factor in to him not wanting to come back.
Him not answering phone calls.
Him not Aaronston text messages.
Him saying, fuck y'all.
take that $20 million back.
I don't want it.
I just want out of this situation
for an NFL player
as much as we love getting paid,
as much as we love money
to give $20 million plus back to the team
just so you can get out,
let you know how bad it is.
We've got to be,
but I'm trying to figure out how it got bad,
he got hurt.
Now maybe, you know what,
Oh Joe, maybe it was a situation.
You know how long they waited
to sign the contract
because, you know, he wanted to go somewhere else
and then at the last second,
but they ended up doing the deal.
And you know what happens on you,
a lot of time when you wait for a period of time,
the player feels some type of way.
Even though you give him his money,
he's like, why I had to wait this long?
Yeah, yeah.
I shouldn't have had to wait.
They'll let you know how they really feel about you
when it's time to get paid, boy.
Yeah, like I said, you're right.
I will concede this to you.
I don't know if we'll ever.
get the answer.
I don't know if Brandon and I,
you could ever speak on it.
I'm sure.
I'm sure he will.
I'm sure he will at some point.
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm definitely,
I'm definitely anxious to see
what he has to say.
It probably won't be right now because he wants to
stay low, keep it quiet
until he gets to his next destination.
But at some point, he will voice the reasons
on why things were so bad.
Of course.
Yeah, I want to get out too,
but I'm going to get that money on the way out.
I know Ocho will get that money on the way out.
Yeah.
Oh, once the thing become guaranteed.
Hey, you, y'all know I won't up out of here, right?
But I got that money guarantee.
You, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is.
Mm-hmm.
Irreconcilable differences.
Yeah.
That's what that's.
That's what it always down to.
It's crazy, man.
Yeah.
I've never seen, like, never seen nothing like this before, huh?
No, never.
Yeah, never.
Same.
Never.
Never.
And I know, and I've seen guys really pissed at an organization.
Yeah.
I've seen guys get cut for not hustling and things like that.
But back then, Ocho, we weren't dealing with the kind of money that these guys are dealing with.
Right.
You know, back then when we played three, four million dollars with a dollar damn money.
Oh, yeah.
You're talking about $26 million, $27 million.
Man, shh.
Man, go ahead.
Me, he said, totally, man, go ahead and take that back, man.
I'm good.
And remember also it was reported that he told the union,
nah, don't even fight it.
Don't even worry about it.
Don't worry about it.
Now, I need to get all that.
Hey, that's when you know you're fed up, boy.
Yeah.
I'm fed up, but my bank account ain't.
Nah, bro.
I need to get all that.
And then knowing that there are places that need receivers,
I don't know, do you swap him and AJ Brown?
Ooh.
Aren't both of them number 11?
Yeah.
Just your 8.
I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like,
I'm just saying that, Joe.
A.J. Brown, to go crazy over there, but God damn.
With, what, what?
What?
Man, him and purdier there, cook, boy.
Ooh, that's a good, oh, that's a good one.
I like, I like, I like that.
I like that.
I like that even, even better than, you know, my,
my idea of him going to the Ravens.
Oh, AJ?
Yeah.
Look, I think AJ would be great anywhere other than Philly.
But of course, you know, people being naive as well.
It's about, oh, salary cap, dead cap, too much money.
Yeah, okay.
Y'all do not understand this business, obviously.
You look, Pittsburgh need a receiver.
Buffalo definitely needed receiver.
Yeah, yeah.
Baltimore could probably lose,
a guy outside,
the Raiders.
So I think they'll have some takers.
I think both teams,
I think the Eagles and the 49ers will have takers.
Yeah.
I do.
You definitely want to see where he is first, though.
I mean, teams are going to want to see where
Brandon Ayyuki is at some point.
He's going to have to start putting videos out,
showing teams that he is okay,
that he's able to run and stop.
No, they're going to bring him in Fort Fills School.
All that other stuff.
They did.
They don't want to see you do it all that.
They want to see, they want to test that ankle.
They want their orthopedics to tug on that knee and shake that knee and see if they have the stability that it needs.
Right.
They're going to want to see all that.
Yeah.
It's just a different time now, Ocho.
Yeah, it is.
It's just a different time.
It is.
To give up, to give that back and like I said, something like, something like,
something transpired.
I don't know,
I don't know what happened.
Maybe something was sad.
Maybe it was, you know,
because obviously he was upset.
Because I remember we had him own.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We had him on.
Yeah.
Now that I think about it.
He might come back and tell us what happened.
Well, we're definitely going to reach out.
Yeah.
You know.
But we look at Buffalo.
You look at Baltimore.
You look at Baltimore.
You look at Pittsburgh.
You look at the Raiders.
I saw some report that
AJ back to the Titans.
I'm like, I don't think AJ want to go back
to the Titans.
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
I like to say.
Cleveland could use a receiver.
No, don't send him over there either.
No.
But what I'm just saying, I'm just,
I'm just, I'm just thinking about team
that could use a receiver.
Yeah, let's send him,
let's send him somewhere where he's going to be happy, please.
Don't do them dirty.
But normally the places that go make you happy, Ocho,
they got to want you.
Because what happens?
You got to want the girl that want you,
not the girl that you won't.
Well, the 49ers are definitely going to want him.
That ain't no problem.
No, oh, I thought you were talking about,
I thought you was talking about, I thought you was talking about I.
Oh, yeah, okay, my bad.
I was saying yes.
A lot of times, they say date the girl that you want.
I mean, the girl that wants you, right.
Not the girl that you want.
Yeah, I mean,
because that's probably going to lead to the happiness.
So I was saying
A lot of times where we actually want to go
Might not necessarily want us to be there
So we're going to have to find a place that really want us
And like, oh, you really want me?
Well, then I want you too.
But
We'll see how that will say
The Chiefs
Ooh
The Titans
Yeah
I mean
I mean
I know Calv
and Ridley is coming back, but is that enough?
But he's coming back off of injury as well.
Correct.
And he's a little older than what he was last year.
Yeah.
Two players coming back off injury and.
But also, you got to understand.
Uh-huh.
Brandon and I, you rehabbed the whole year.
He didn't play.
So he should be Gucci.
Yeah, should be.
Think about it.
He got hurt last year before last.
Yeah.
He rehabbed this whole season.
Mm-hmm.
I guess we're supposedly allegedly rehab.
Something went wrong.
I don't know what he did.
But I'm just saying.
So he should be good.
He really should be good.
Yeah.
And we're going to find out now.
Yeah.
But you know, Ocho, man, people think you could just take a whole year off
and just pick right at where you left off.
It's don't work like that for a high level professional.
No.
You got to play.
Yeah.
I mean, that's the only way to get yourself back in the rhythm is by playing.
And not by yourself either.
So, chat, we try to list some teams that we think that AJ, Brandon I, Yuk,
some of the big names receiver that will probably be available come free agency.
The trade opened up, I think March, probably like the first week in March,
is when the free agency period of hit the New Year starts, and that's when you can start.
But you know you have that, what they call that period?
which one yeah yeah the the tampering where you can actually have contact with the guys but
right so that might be a situation like I said I think there will be some pretty good receivers on
the market and I think you know you got JSCN is probably well you got JSA I mean think about you
got JSC and you got Puka and then you got the Bronco I mean every team I mean JSCN is going to the
Pro Bowl, first team all pro.
Puka, Pro Bowl, first team all pro.
Both of those guys, the unanimous selections to the all pro team in Cortland Sutton.
So three of the team, three of the four teams got a Pro Bowl wide receiver on their roster.
Yeah.
And all Tay did was lead the league in touchdown catches.
He's the first guy to lead a league in touchdown catching with three different teams.
Different teams.
And he missed like three games.
So clearly he still has some.
some juice in the tank
and I expect him to be back next year.
But Pooka gonna get a monster contract.
Yeah.
Puga go get a monster contract, don't Joe.
J.J.S.N.
going to overlap that.
But this is only JSCN, his only second year.
He'll be next year.
Next year. I'm saying he's going to overlap that.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I agree.
Oh, Mr. Chad, talking about the Jets need a wide receiver.
Man, now, don't send a lot.
The Jazz need a lot of things.
Don't send nobody.
Wire receiver, some offensive linemen.
Don't do it.
Garrett Williams.
Some D-Bs.
Don't do it.
Yeah.
They need, the Jets need a lot.
They need to get my boy Garrett Wilson out of there, man.
Oh, Joe, speaking of Pooka, according to Mike Gropolo, John Harbaugh, badly,
wanted the Ravens to draft Pooka Nacua back in 2023.
But the front office went against his wishes.
If he got his way, Pooka Nacua would have been a right.
Raven. That was the guy that John Harbaugh wanted badly for the Ravens to draft and they didn't.
Pooka was the last pick of the fifth round. The Ravens took instead,
Cayu Blue Kelly. I guess how you said,
Kyleu, Kaiu, Blue Kelly, cornerback.
I like, I like exactly where he's at.
Yeah, I mean, see, look, I like exactly. I like exactly lose that.
The Ravens didn't have a, a coordinator like Sean McVeigh that has that kind of imagination.
just because somebody put up numbers over there,
that don't mean he's going to put those numbers up in Baltimore.
But he's not because the offense is completely different.
Exactly.
Completely different offense.
So it definitely, it would, man, scheme,
it's not even close to being the same.
So obviously, I like where he's at.
I like that.
I do too.
I mean, look, the one thing we know that Sean McVeigh can get the receiver to the ball.
Oh, yeah.
You remember Cuba Cup, that triple crown season?
Now you follow that up.
And, I mean, just think about it.
So you get 1,700 yards, and that's still not the best season.
That's not the best receiving season in the franchise history.
That's crazy.
You still 200 yards short.
Yeah.
You still, you know, almost 20 catches short.
Mm-hmm.
But no, Pooka would, if y'all think Pooka would have done that in Baltimore, you're high.
Because first of all, they didn't have an offensive coordinator that has the imagination and the creativity.
Mm-hmm.
That, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,
has. No. So
no.
No. I get
it, you know, and it see, it seems good now.
Oh, he wanted, he wanted him.
So is there
been anybody that he wanted, they drafted,
they didn't pan out because everybody's willing
to report the guys that they want, that's panning out for somebody else.
But they never report the guys that they wanted
and they got that didn't pan out.
paying out.
That's a good one.
They need to stop, man.
They really need to stop this.
And what you call them,
jumping on Keon Coleman,
like he's the first pick in the draft.
Like he's the reason,
uh,
the owner,
Mr. Bacola.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I'm like,
hold on.
So now Keon Coleman was the reason
y'all lost this game.
It went from Josh Allen,
turning them all over four times.
You have it five turnovers to let,
hey, let's dump on,
you know what,
Keon Coleman,
low-hanging fruit.
Yeah,
Let's pluck his ass.
You notice they ain't say nothing by Josh now.
No.
Now you pick you,
hey, one thing, you pissed,
you pissed that quarterback off if you want to.
Nah,
you leave that alone.
But I don't know,
you didn't have to say anything about Keon Coleman.
Yeah, you did.
Okay, hey, yes, we need him to play better.
We bought him in to be a number one receiver
and that is the expectation level that we have for him.
But to mention him and talk about,
Oh, the coach, Brandon didn't want him.
We didn't want, that was a coach's decision.
That's unnecessary.
Totally unnecessary.
Unnecessary.
I'm trying to pile on.
Chicago's Ben Johnson was asked about building off this season.
Oh, Joe, take a listen to his answer.
Yeah.
So you guys are going to be able to build off this and that there.
Yeah, there is no building off of this.
We go back to square one.
We're back at the bottom again.
And that's really all 32 teams.
if you feel otherwise, you're probably missing the big picture.
You know, what we're back at.
We got to start from scratch.
We've got to start from the fundamentals.
You know, a lot of guys talked about how difficult this training camp was.
I didn't feel like it was anything out of my ordinary.
They know what the expectation is.
They know what the process is that we believe in as a coaching staff.
And so I think more than anything else, they're going to know what they're getting themselves into.
And yet, we've got to dig a little bit deeper.
work a little bit harder. We got to give a little bit more if we want to
take this thing over the top. I mean, it's it's no different. You're trying to lose weight.
You're trying to lose 50 pounds. The first 30 is is the easiest 30. You know,
the last 20, that's the hard. That's the hard part. And so we did a nice job this year,
but it's not enough. We've got to do more. I like what he said. I love what he said. I love
I love what he said. I want to play for Ben Johnson now. My new favorite coach is Ben Johnson.
Everything he said. But the one thing I like that,
he said is he told we're not billing off nothing we starting from scratch yeah bill off what bill up
yeah we start from scratch we got the biddest thing all the way back up again i like it i like it that
house don't stay up that you built last year absolutely not absolutely and you start ground zero
a new foundation all again yes absolutely but now you see why they why they've had so success this year
you know just i see why but yes he his thought process that's why he talks to his team yeah
Most definitely.
Most definitely.
Oh, this is something we can build off of.
Yeah.
Build off what?
What?
Hey, the bear's in good hands for the next 10, 15 years, man.
I totally agree.
Ocho, I didn't even build off nothing.
I had to start all back over guess what, Ocho?
Every year.
Because that's what I did the year before the training,
ain't got nothing to do what I'm going to do to training this year.
At all.
If that was the case, I can just sit my ass in house and go, hey,
and just show up the cab.
Hey, because I already built up that training.
No, I had to start a newfounding.
again.
Yeah.
Hey, listen.
Start building right back up.
Okay, you start out gradually and just build up.
Speaking of the track and feel,
congratulations to Sidney McLaughlin-Baron.
She's expecting a child, her and her husband, expecting a child this year.
Okay.
Congrats, congrats, congrats.
Hey, and Shelly Ann, Mommy Rocket,
if she came back and win world titles and can win a gold medal,
Sidney can do it.
Because I think what's Sidney is 26?
I think she's 26
Have the baby this year
She got 27
And she got 28 for the Olympics
She was good
Mm-hmm
But y'all better be glad
Y'all better be glad
Because she's by a
Polino
And
What's the lady from Bahrain
At uh
Nasser?
Yeah
Because ain't nobody else
Ain't nobody else seeing her
No
Ain't nobody else seeing her
And they better be glad
She left the hurdle
because that was just like it had just gotten.
It wasn't even fair.
Easy work.
Easy work.
Yeah.
But I love the way Ben Johnson think.
I love the way he talks.
That's kind of what Mike.
That's how Mike was.
Last year ain't got nothing to do with this year.
Bring your ass back in better shape than you came in this year.
Expect to work a little harder than what you worked last year because we won't better.
We want better results.
That what we did last year won't get the job done this year.
Teams get better.
So I don't know why you think build off what?
No, you start the bottom of the mountain.
Yeah.
Even if you end your season on top of the mountain,
you don't get to stay there.
Uh-uh.
It ain't like Wimbledon.
You know, Wimbledon used to win the, if you won Wimbledon,
way back when, you came back as a champ.
Everybody else fought, you just played the final match.
You win.
If you win, you're the champ again.
Nah, you start first round, second round, third round,
quarter, Simmons, and finals.
No, that's how I was supposed to go.
I love Ben Johnson.
I love this thought process.
Look, yeah, being my new guy.
Being my new guy.
I love the way.
That's how he, that's how I want my coach to talk.
Don't be talking about what, hey, we're good.
We're going to build on something now.
We ain't fin to build on nothing.
At all.
What we're going to do is start all over again and build this back up.
Ain't no building on.
It's building back up.
So it's going to be very interesting.
And they got pieces, you know, they got their quarterback.
They got a good running game.
They got two good tight ends and Loveland and Co-Commet.
I know everybody's upset at DJ Moore right now,
but DJ Moore and Roma Dunzee.
They got Zakeas.
They got, look, offensive line is really good.
Now maybe go get a defensive lineman that can add some pressure
on the other side of sweat.
Yeah, don't forget Luther Bird in there.
Yeah, no, no, no, Luther Burton, yeah, they got received.
They covered on offense.
They covered on the offensive side of football.
They do it on their offense, yeah.
Jalen Johnson gets another year.
You know, he came back, had that core muscle.
So now he gets to work his way back in shape
and get back on the field and get back to the level of playing
that he's accustomed to playing at.
But yeah, they, they, they, they, look,
there's one thing that, that, Ben Johnson knows,
NFC is not getting easier.
Mm-mm.
Oh, no.
San Francisco doesn't have all those injuries, okay?
Doesn't look like the Rams going anywhere.
Doesn't look like Seattle's going anywhere.
Mm-hmm.
Atlanta got two guys up for defensive rookie of the year.
Bejohn, Drake London.
What are they going to do with Kyle Pitts?
Are they going to bring him back?
Quarterback situation?
Hey, Tampa being in the, be in the mix.
Yeah.
Carolina.
made the playoffs this year.
Detroit hired a new offensive coordinator.
Green Bay.
So the thing I think that Ben realized that, no,
you can't build off.
You got to start back up because these other teams are doing that.
Getting better.
Don't nobody start with,
nobody picks up where they left off.
Because if that's the case,
well, damn.
The team that makes it to the Super Bowl,
that means Seattle automatically makes it back
to their NFC championship game.
No.
That ain't happening.
the Rams make it all the way back so damn
they're picking up what they left out what that leave us
so I'm excited for Chicago
Chicago is uh they're definitely
up and coming
Ocho it's time to play play a play a
play of fade presented by prize picks
Kashon Booty
more than 30 set 38 yards receiving more
Yeah more of course
Remind Jules Stevenson more than point
five rush or receiving touchdown.
Yeah, he'll have a touchdown.
Yeah.
Sam Donald more than 219, more than 220 yards passing.
Yep.
Pooka Nakua, 0.5 rush or receiving touchdown.
So he'll have at least one touchdown tomorrow.
Yeah.
No, Sunday.
Yeah.
Okay.
So we're going more on everything.
Yeah.
Ain't a game, ain't no game tomorrow, huh?
No.
Yeah, both games Sunday.
Ooh, look at this, but look at it.
Ocho, $25.
to win $262.50.
Download the app today.
Use code Shannon to get $50 in lineups
after you play your first $5 lineup.
Prize picks.
It's good to be right.
All right, we'll get out here on this one.
It's time for our final segment of the evening.
It's time for Q.
Hey.
Kimmer Norwood Jr.
Unk, my question is when is Felo Sinko coming back?
It's hard to bring Felo Sinko back
because when football season's on,
we got so much going on there's so much to talk about and a lot of times we leave stuff on the
cutting room floor hopefully we're able to get it because we're we're two hours in and we still
have some stuff that we could have talked about so yeah we're going to bring that back when it
slows down a little bit for us uh right now you know with the football season and full swing
we uh we decided to like get away from us fellow and dunk on up but it's coming back and
don't forget about spoken word too now oh and spoken word yeah you know spoken word yeah i didn't
got some good ones.
Yeah.
Dr. Franke and El Belabin,
just checking on my guys to make sure y'all are good.
I may not have asked a question every night,
but I'm here every night.
Love y'all.
We know you here.
Hell, you've been here.
You're like one of the first two or three to ever join us.
So, Doc, we know we can count on you.
And every time we've had a show in Atlanta
or any time we're somewhere close by,
Doc showing up.
She came to the very first show in Vegas.
She was in Atlanta.
She came to the New Orleans show.
Doc, you coming to San Fran?
Doc company San Fran.
Appreciate that.
We good, Doc.
We good.
OG underscore Thanos.
Are we sure CJ is the future for the Texans?
That's the question they're going to have.
That's the question, Ocho, because with you and I talk, we talked about, what was the,
Ocho?
We talked about this Monday.
No, we talked about this Sunday night.
Yeah.
Well, we're going to know, though, I mean, you don't, you don't, you don't answer that question yet,
but they're going to know after the season that's coming up.
That's going to tell you whether he's.
I pick up that fifth year option.
He balled out.
Now I ain't got no problem giving that money.
Yeah, there you go.
That's it.
Matter of fact,
they wouldn't have no problem giving them that money
if he took care of business this year
towards the end of the season.
You're right.
You're right.
DeShan underscore, what's up?
A show.
What's up, Uncle Cho?
What's something you believed in your life in your 20s
that you know now was completely wrong about?
Something that I believed in life
that I was completely wrong about.
Gee.
Ooh, that's a good one, huh?
If I treat people good, they'll treat me good.
Lies.
Damn.
And then I had to learn, Ocho.
What?
I treat you good, you treat me bad, and then you become a stranger.
Hmm.
Damn.
I mean, what?
That's a good question.
I got to let you keep dumping on me before I realize it.
Mm.
Mm.
I only, I only, sometimes you realize it is too late.
Yeah.
But if you can catch it soon enough.
Hey, you catch it early, you can get rid of.
Unp.
True.
You got to catch it early, you know?
And that's a good question.
Now you got me thinking.
You got me thinking, that's a great question.
I got to come back to that.
I got to, I got to think.
And that's a good one.
Cory Blaseman, uh, I think Stride was saying that he realized during the season
that he was too busy trying to be Superman and that he shouldn't have that because
he had a great defense.
That's how I took it.
But he didn't have to be Superman.
Hold on.
Let's see.
I'm going to see something here.
He passed for 212,
250, 169, 244, 187,
260, 203, 276.
79, he got hurt against the Broncos,
so that's why he only passed for 79.
318 against San Francisco, 229, 244, 233, 204,
207, 188.
Where the Superman at?
I miss something.
Corey, I miss something.
Where are the Superman stats?
Did I miss something on Cho?
Did you hear no stats I read off?
Yeah, I heard him.
I heard him.
I heard him.
I mean, he had one 300-yard game the whole season.
He had three games in which he passed for $250 or more.
So I'm trying to figure where the super, hold on.
I'm just trying to figure where the Superman.
One touchdown, four picks.
One touchdown, one pick.
One touchdown, zero pigs.
Two touchdowns, two pigs.
One, zero, three, zero, one, zero.
Zero touchdown, one interception.
Against Denver, he got hurt early.
San Fran, he was two and one.
Seattle, he was one and one.
Baltimore, he was four and oh.
Tennessee was two and oh.
Jacksonville, he was one and two.
Tampa, he was one and oh.
L.A., he was only one.
So I'm, where's Superman at?
Cory, where's the Superman at?
Corey
IDK,
Cache,
what do y'all think
about Trayvon Dave
getting cut by the Packers?
I don't even know why they signed it.
Why you signed him on?
The man played,
what,
one snap,
two snaps?
Yeah, I'm not sure.
I'm not sure
why they brought him in.
They brought him in
for a playoff run,
obviously.
That didn't happen.
So obviously,
they had no use for him.
He probably won't
to be on the roster
the following year anyway.
So he's going to have
itself a fresh start somewhere else.
I'm not sure where he will be going,
but he will be on someone's team.
You got to prove himself, Ochoo.
He got to stay healthy.
And he has to realize, I mean, he was never a burner.
So the risk that you took after those injuries that you've had,
I don't know if you could.
But it's hard, Ocho, because that's how he made his name.
That's who he is.
He's a thief.
But as you get old and get injured,
the police can catch you.
You can't run away.
Yeah.
So it's hard, it's hard, Ocho, when you play a certain style and that style requires athleticism, that's why you see a guy like Brady can play at the age.
That's why Philip Rivers can be at home for five years and come back because why, Ocho, he didn't rely on that athleticism.
Well, now you, now you got to play with your mind.
That's all.
As you get older, as your athleticism deteriorates, it becomes a chess match.
But you need to have to be playing with your mind.
in the beginning.
It's hard to die.
You're asking somebody to pick up a trait they didn't have to begin with.
Yeah.
Remember what the Samuel Johnson say.
Almost every man will waste a part of his life trying to possess quality he does not have
in an attempt to gain applause for he cannot keep.
So if he didn't play like that before, so now you're like, well, you know what?
I'm gonna use my mind.
I ain't got my legs, ain't what they used to be.
That's like, I, oh, Joe, man, we need you to be a run blocking wire receiver.
Right.
You're like, what?
You mean a runoff?
wide receiver or run blocking wide receiver.
But you know I get in there and block now.
Make it your ass out of here.
I get his car wide detail service.
Uh, thoughts on LeBron MLK shoe situation.
I vaguely remember, I think he had the shoe.
It was the color of the Lorraine Motel.
Is that what they talk about the one that was in Memphis, right?
I think that's what it's about.
I think the Lorraine Motel.
I think the shoes are the color of the Lorraine Motel.
Probably should have left that one alone.
And it's okay to leave it alone.
It's, uh,
sometimes you might think you paying homage.
And that's not the way it's received.
And just for me,
I just think like, okay,
just leave when it comes to Dr. King,
just leave that alone.
That's just,
that's just my two cents.
Yeah.
Just leave it alone.
Because I'm clearly, I mean,
he wouldn't have done it if he didn't think
he was paying homage to,
homage to him or however you want to say it.
He didn't think he was like honoring Dr. King,
but I just think in a situation like that, just leave it alone.
I'm sure they could have come up with a different color way.
No, but the thing is, LeBron could have said,
nah, I don't think I want to do that one.
It's okay.
Look, LeBron is very conscious.
I believe he holds Dr. King in very, very high regard.
Mm-hmm.
But everybody doesn't look at it like that.
You know, he was assassinated at the Lorraine Motel.
you got a shoe that's the color
and I think that's what it is
if I couldn't be wrong
I could be wrong
if I'm wrong chat I apologize
but I think
they turned that into a museum didn't he
didn't they turn the hotel
I think they turn the hotel into it
but I think
I want to say the color of the hotel inside
is the color of those shoes
also I read it
you know I got so much other stuff
on my mind so I'm not really
paying that much attention to the Ron shoes.
But I was thinking like, I just remember seeing the thing.
Okay, I don't, I don't think people are going to be happier about this.
Right.
Yes.
I ain't even see it.
So that's my thoughts on that.
Can you give a shout out to my brother Mo?
He loves your cognac also.
Who's your early Super Bowl pick?
Mo, thank you guys.
I appreciate that.
And thanks for purchasing a bottle of Shay Balaparteier.
I'm glad you like it.
We believe we've created a great product.
It's smooth, goes down really easy.
You know, we prefer if you drink it on the rocks, but you can add it.
It's great as an old-fashioned, as great as a sidecar,
termination, discipline, dedication, all the drinks that we've come up with
that you can add to it.
But it's a great, just right on the rocks.
Early Super Bowl picks, Bronco, Seattle.
I would just get rid of say that.
Shavis, what's up on the other note, Joe?
can you give a shout out to my
happy birthday to my friend Ebony.
Happy birthday, Ebony.
Happy birthday, Ebony.
Unt you remember Ebony Magazine?
Yeah, what?
Jet Beauty of the Week.
Man, you was, I had them thing before my wall
in Savannah State.
For real?
Yeah.
Jet Beauty.
You go back then, you know,
on your lot of with HBCU,
HBC, that were Texas Southern,
Gremlin.
I'm like, oh, so really.
And listen.
I probably should have to win the one of those
because we're,
I had no beauty.
We had for the old show.
They might not have gotten into the magazine,
but we had a couple.
Yeah, Ebony and Jet Magazine was iconic back then.
Yes, for sure.
For sure.
What happened to essence?
Remember Essence?
I hell yeah, I remember Essence.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
And they were them with the days, man.
Oh, yeah.
Those were the days.
Jet Magazine, Essence, and Epida.
Man.
Damn.
Good memories.
Mm-mm.
Know the time.
Boy, you got me to have, boy.
Yeah, yeah, oh, Charlie,
and look at the old Jet Beauty.
Hey, Jet Beauty the week.
You start looking at,
you still, look at a name,
a location, where she's talking.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, if you try to find it,
they get them, sometimes they have a profile.
And pull it together and start jet again.
You know, a little Facebook,
a little Facebook be right there and all that, you know.
And they had no damn Facebook back then, man.
Now they had something.
They had nothing.
They had, that she went to Howard,
Or she went to Hampton, or she went to Grandmother, she went to Southern.
Hold on.
Hold on.
She was a, uh, uh, from LA.
There was always something there.
Hold on.
Let me see.
Let me see.
Let me see.
Hold on.
There was always something there.
Oh, they, oh, they say, uh, uh, uh, uh, Jett still digitally.
No, I don't want to digital.
I wanted the paper.
I want to feel that little old, that little old book by this big right here, but being my head right here.
I, I, I, I would, I would, I would.
Okay.
Mental health dance.
Okay.
Yeah, they still have it.
Oh, you pulled it up?
Yeah, I pulled it up.
Okay.
Boy, this thing go way back, boy.
Yeah.
I'm looking at some of the old ones, like 2000.
You know, I'm looking at one Ms. Salina Gilbert,
mental health therapist from Philadelphia.
In her spare time, she enjoys modeling, acting, dancing, and listening to music.
Okay.
Damn.
Yeah.
Boy, I remember today, man.
I remember I was a high school at college.
I said, oh, sure wish I could meet me one of them.
But I never get on you.
I tell that thing, tell that jet, uh, that jet, uh, beauty of the, jet sun the fold out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
With scotch tape on the back.
Wow.
And hanging on the wall?
Right.
When you ripped, you ripped up the jet magazine?
That's all I wanted.
I ain't want the, dude, what the hell?
You ain't reading nothing else?
No, not really.
Not really.
No.
I ain't been to hold you on that.
No, they're going up on the wall.
I had them all up on wall.
Man, Shaw, why you got this up on your wall?
Don't worry about this.
It's my wall.
Why do you think I got it up there?
I'm dreaming.
Let me dream.
Ian?
This throwback.
Huh?
I'm looking at a jet beauty of the week go way back to the 70s, huh?
Oh, sure.
I definitely remember when I was in high school.
I got the high school in 83.
Oh, okay.
You're right.
You're right.
Yeah.
I mean, that was time we can get a little money, you know.
We get a little money.
We, you know, oh, you know, back then, oh, I don't you know if they still have it.
Like, they used to have magazines in the grocery store.
Yeah.
So granted, we would go shopping, me and me and space, we go, hey, we go to the section.
Go to the section.
Right.
And did they put aside, please do not read magazines unless you pay for it.
But get out of here.
Yeah, that's, they mean.
That hell.
The hell, I'm going to read this.
Then I got, then they came out with a, uh, uh, uh, I got a hold of a,
GQ.
Yeah.
And DuPont registry.
Okay.
And you got a little older.
College.
Hold on.
Hold on.
You remember, uh, remember a smooth magazine?
Yeah, I remember, yeah.
Remember smooth?
Yeah.
And King.
Oh, I remember King.
Okay.
Yeah.
I remember King.
Actually, actually, actually, no, no, believe that alone.
Yeah, don't do it.
Hey, I might have dated somebody in King magazine.
Who, oh, who?
Hey, tell me.
Who you dated?
Who you dated, huh?
Oh, Shay, well, now.
I know you were, but go ahead and tell me what you were dating now.
Okay, how about this?
Tell me what you are.
I don't know.
What's her, what's the, no, no, da, da, da, da, da, da.
I don't what you try to do.
You try to put two or two together.
I listen to that.
The goat, 222.
Who do you think the Braves can get for their head coach
with candidates gone and others turning them down?
Man, don't nobody want to go there?
Think about it.
Who do we think they can get?
Everybody turned them down.
Mike McDaniels, I'd rather go be an offensive coordinator
than your head coach.
Nah, man.
Anybody want to take that job, man.
Everybody's talking about Vita Guerrera.
I remember Vita.
Oh, yeah?
I'm saying that you're sitting in the magazine.
Yeah, okay.
Okay.
Hey, was the girl you dated?
Was she a car company?
Like Ford?
Man, go ahead on, Ocho.
I'm just asking.
You know, I drove with Ford.
Badly here.
Alex Stacy.
Patrons with Mike Brable again from the Titans was there.
AJ should go there from the Eagles as an Eagles from an Eagles fan.
No, because Mike Grable going to run the foot.
football.
Yeah.
He ain't throwing the ball all over the damn field.
They throw it, but not like that.
No hell now.
And you got to have balance.
Look at the teams.
Seattle, run it.
Rams with Kyron William.
Run it.
Remandre Stevens and Henderson.
Run it.
The Broncos try to run it.
Now, they just got at,
J.K. Dobbins is back.
But three of the four teams that's in the football,
that's in the final four, Ocho.
They run the football.
football.
Yeah.
And they throw it, but they run it.
Mm-hmm.
You got to have balance.
J.D.R. underscore 9-1-2.
What's up, 9-1-2?
What's up?
Y'all, my family from Baxley.
Okay, Appling County.
I grew up in Savannah's on Waters Avenue.
I know exactly what that is.
I first love how to drive on a dirt road in Glenville, Georgia, when I was 12.
That's what we talked about, 9-1-2, the G-Ville.
He grew up in Baxley.
That's where we used to take to Tobacco.
We would crop tobacco that had a, uh, uh, uh,
where we would take the cured tobacco.
We take it over there and we sell it.
My grandfather did that and then we worked for the Tatums.
That's what we'd always take it.
And I remember, Ocho, me, my brother and cousins,
we was ride on the back of the truck.
They had this big old, like a big old truck with sides on it.
And we'd be on top of it.
Man, they throw everybody in jail,
they found their kids, you let your kids do that now.
Ride the back of the truck?
Yeah, on top of tobacco.
Okay, okay.
So it was a big, oh, it was, you know,
She's a tobacco.
Yeah.
But appreciate that, Jay.
It sure will not.
Never mind.
Superman, CJ couldn't even be blank, man, shaking my head.
Come on, man.
Kevin Boutnight.
Oh, Cho, how y'all fell in doing tonight?
Love what y'all do every night.
Keep the grind.
Goats.
Ken, we're doing good, bro.
We're doing good.
God is good.
Life is good.
Everybody's healthy.
The kids are healthy.
All is well.
Yep.
So cannot complain.
I got my sister.
I got my sister with me, so we're good.
She needs to start eating all these damn sweets,
though, getting the sweets out of my damn house.
Bad eating cupcake, donuts.
Every time I turn around, here comes somebody dropping something.
I was like, who dropping this stuff off?
She's going to the door.
Shelly ordered this.
No, you told Shelly to order this.
There ain't no Shelley just ordering food.
Chipotle.
I had a taste for this.
What?
Outback.
The Red George.
You got Karen,
she got all kind of stuff.
And she don't eat it all at once.
I bought my sister's sandwich.
I bought her a sandwich on Friday.
Yeah.
Well,
I just finished my sandwich on Monday.
So she'll eat a quarter of it at a time.
So each day she eat a quarter of a sandwich.
So she'll eat the sandwich and she'll cut it up in quarters.
Right.
Right.
She'll eat a quarter.
day till I don't know how you eat the whole thing that was the whole purpose of
the sandwich they eating all at once it might that must have been a big sandwich
huh it's that egg drop from bulldogies oh yeah I don't know if you live in
Vegas you know what bulldog is they got an egg drop Ocho yeah you get
it's the egg the eggs are real fluffy it comes with bacon sausage you can get
smothered it comes with french toast bread
Lord, have mercy.
Joe 1084, Unk can't wait for the Packers to play the Cowgirls again.
Everyone will be tuned in so we can put Belt to ass again.
Go Pac-Go.
Rashad Kadeen Hickson.
Uncle Ocho, love the show.
MVP, Stafford of May.
I took Stafford.
Stafford.
Mike, Mike, what's up, Uncle Ocho?
Have y'all applied for any head coaching jobs?
No, could both help to you.
If both, you both could help teams, maybe coach the same team.
I don't want to coach.
Ocho say he want to coach, but he don't because your coach,
you only tied down to one job, so he can't have 35 jobs.
Hey, I just want to be the president of football operations.
That's all.
Okay, president of football operations.
A1, Twitter, for the upcoming live show, will you be there?
Will y'all be doing meet and greet before the show?
After the show.
Not before, after.
Brian's brain says,
just received my new nightcap sweater,
had no idea it was made by American Apparel in Los Angeles.
Love it, thanks.
Appreciate you.
Appreciate you.
Yep, that's where it's made by.
Alex Sipos.
What do you think about Sean Payton pretty much guarantee a win versus the past?
Had no choice.
I love him trying to instill confidence instead of him.
Say, we believe in you, this team believed in you, and we're going to win.
So that concludes this episode of Nightcap.
We want to thank each and every one of you for joining us.
I want to thank Dana White.
And we want to thank Rashid Shaheed for joining us.
Dana was talking about the UFC matchup this Saturday at Team Mobile with Gachi and Patty to Batty.
Black Beast against Acosta will also be there.
So thank you, Dana.
Thank you, Rashid, for joining us also.
and good luck.
Please make sure you hit that subscribe button.
Please make sure you hit the like button.
Do us a favor.
Go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed
wherever you get your podcast from.
We like to thank each and every one of you
for your support and your continued support.
Thanks to you, Nightcap,
all the awards that we won
was because of you will continue to strive
and reach higher heights only because of you.
Again, thank you for your support
and your continued support.
Those looking to purchase a bottle of shade by La Portier
and you cannot find it in a state or sense.
near you head to laporteurcconyac.com to order your bottle we have the OG which is the 750 now
we have the junior which is the 375 same great quality same great taste same smoothness
please Drake responsible to be safe tickets for our Super Bowl live show in san francisco are on sale
now that link is pending the chat the show will be Thursday night February the 5th at the
Earps theater in san francisco Bay area come on out show love to uncanocho
And nightcap, we greatly, greatly appreciate that.
Again, thanks Dana White.
Again, thanks wide receiver Rashid Shaheed for joining us.
That concludes this episode.
We're off tomorrow night, but we'll see you.
We're off tomorrow.
Okay, we're off tomorrow and Saturday.
Two nights off.
Damn!
I don't know what's going on.
What kind of operation you're running?
Wait, today Friday, ain't it?
Today Thursday.
Oh, that's crazy.
Hell, if I knew that, I'd been home.
I'd have went to the AT.
You are home.
Where you at?
I'm in Vegas.
Oh, my bad.
I need to get home at some point in time.
When you go to the Aid, let me know.
You will come down there?
Yeah, we can go to Magic City.
I'm still waiting to try the damn wings.
Come on, oh, show, man.
Why we just can't go get something to eat and just chill?
What are we going to Atlanta for?
To chill.
I'm going to chill.
We're going to chill at Magic City and get some damn wings.
Y'all see what I'm saying?
Hey man, listen. Every time, every time I try to get out.
I'm just trying to live, man. I'm just trying to live.
Oh, so I'm trying to live. Okay. Well, you're not living. You're alive, but you're not living.
Okay. We need to experience life.
Okay. Yeah.
I'll make sure I don't let you know when I go to Atlanta.
That concludes this episode of the night. I want to thank each and every one of you for joining us.
Thank you. Thank you so much for joining us. We're our Thursday and, we are Friday and Saturday.
We'll see you Sunday after the Rams Seahawks.
Somebody, two teams, and then there'll be two.
Therefore now, but then there'll be two.
I'm up.
He's Ocho.
Please.
