Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, and former NFL All-Pro Terron Armstead react to Ocho being named one of the Top 10 wide receivers of the 2000s.

Episode Date: June 7, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, and former NFL All-Pro Terron Armstead react to Ocho being named one of the Top 10 wide receivers of the 2000s. The crew also debates whether the infamous Madden Curse is real, breaks down Joe Burrow taking full responsibility for the Bengals missing the playoffs, and weighs in on Deion Sanders clapping back at NFL GMs for allegedly lying about Shedeur Sanders’ behavior during pre-draft interviews.01:42 - Top 10 WRs of the 2000s17:40 - The Madden Curse22:12 - Joe Burrow blames himself for Bengals missing playoffs24:16 - Deion Sanders denies pre-draft reports(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. ML football released their top 10 receivers in the 2000s. Number one, Randy Moss. Number two, T.O. Number three, Marvin Harrison. Number four, big game, Tory Holt. Number five, the greatest entertainer of all time. Chad, Ocho, Seco, Johnson.

Number six, Hines Ward. Number seven, Steve Smith Sr. Number eight, Reggie Wayne. Number nine, Reverend Ike, Isaac Bruce. Number 10, Anquan Boulder. God, hold on. What year did I. Hold on. Hold on. We're live in Fitzgerald.

Yep, listen. Hold on. There was an argument about this earlier, earlier all day on Twitter, obviously on my timeline, because I said, hell, F that. Take me out and put Andre Johnson. Now, they also, I love, I love Ant Quan and what he did for the game. But as some Johnson has to be on there somewhere as well. What about Larry Fitzgerald? He just got the third most catch of the book.

Larry Fitzgerald has to be there as well. But then people said it's the two thousands. So the two thousands, I think Megatron only got maybe three years cause I think he came in and I forgot what year he got drafted. I think he came in, he only had three years of. How many years, how many years? Well, who years was Larry Fitzgerald behind Anquan?

Cause I think, I think, I think Fitz was like one year behind Anquan. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's some other shit. Derek Mason, Derek, Derek Mason should be on there too now. I don't think people understand D May put in some work. Man, where that man Julio Jones at? You're talking about 2000s though. Julio came. Anquan was 2003 then. What you saying? Julio wasn't in 2000? No, I think Julio Jones at, man? You're talking about 2000s though. Julio came. Anquan was 2003 then.

What you saying, Julio won in 2000? No, I think Julio. No, Julio came in 2011. 2011. Him and AJ Green. Yeah. Ah. Ah.

Yeah, I, mm. Yeah, I like it, I like it. I should have been higher though. I should have been higher. Okay, who are you replacing? You replacing Moss, T.O., Marvin, or Tory Holt? Like, just off entertainment alone, I'm number one. Who you were taking out? I'm gonna put, I just told you.

So- You gonna put you in this one? You know when we talk about numerical order, right? Doesn't everything start with zero? No, it starts with one. Okay, but before one is zero. Who zero is at the bottom, zero, you ain't zero. You don't wanna be zero. All right, so it's me, then Tio, then Moss,

then whatever order you wanna do. You know zero is a negative number, right? Listen, I was gonna have a quick comeback, but I missed it. Oh yeah, I think you, I think you want to be, so if we, hey, so we gotta take, we gonna take out. Hell nah, hell, what we ain't taking off your board. That's why, that's why, hey listen, that's why I specifically said entertainment and fun value only, I'm at the top. That's it.

But that's a, that was a good list. I'm very fortunate after I was, I saw all these guys. It was all these guys. Randy, T.O., Marvin played against Randy. I had never. Randy T.O. Marvin played against Randy. I never played against T.O. Played against Marvin played against Holt played against Ocho. Hey, hey, hey, hey, what was hands on it was hands on with the time.

How's it going? That team in 98? Hey, hey, I know you on that team in 2001. Tell Joe what I did. The only place you. That's what I was gonna say. Nothing, lost. Hold on. I'm saying, who had the big game?

What I did to y'all when we played y'all. I wasn't there. You was there. You talking about in Baltimore? Yeah, when we played y'all, what I did to you. I think you might have had like three, four catches. But, and how many TDs? How many catches did Ojo have in 2001? can we beat the hell? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

Yeah, get a pull them numbers up ash What there was no Hyundai that's for sure you got it what I was my rookie year That's okay, you learned a target like you had to How much I had as much I had What do you have ash I bet how much I had, Ash, Ash how much I had? What do you have Ash? 55, 60 yards? I had about 230. No.

You didn't play in the Baltimore game? Yeah I did. Yeah. I think you might have caught a touchdown against us in 2000. I sure did, that's what I would do. I think you might have called a touchdown against us in 2000. I sure did. That's what I would do. I can't. That was at Denver then, but we beat hell out y'all. Oh, you were gone?

Oh Joe, you had seven targets, three catches for 28 yards against us. It was Baltimore. What I have, Ash? Hey, that boy was skating out y'all what I guess Baltimore So you do realize I'm Joe you didn't you do y'all didn't score did Nice go It was zero y'all had zero again since you like zeros y'all had a 2001 Again, since you like zeros, y'all had that. Hold on, what year this was? 2001.

I played? Yep, seven targets, three catches, 28 yards. What'd I have? I thought I had me a tub, a sweet tub. What happened to the other five catches? I didn't catch them? Well, hey, something wrong with y'all. Well, first of all, that was four targets.

I mean, because I said you had seven targets, you had three catches. So it wasn't five, you and math didn't do too good. That was four you don't even. Well, first of all, you had, that was four targets. I mean, cause I said you had seven targets, you had three catches. So it wasn't five, you and math didn't do too good. That was four you didn't catch. No, I ain't, no, I ain't dropped no balls now. That's one thing I do. I ain't dropped the money. I ain't dropped the money.

My hands, my hands was like glue, you hear me? In a tub. Oh, I scowled? In 2001? Oh, that was 2000. Oh, I had three targets, three catches, 32 yards. You see the difference? Three targets, three catches.

Well, you play, you, hold on, hold on. You gotta understand what defense I was going against. This was the Baltimore Ravens, man. Like I ain't really, I ain't really get y'all scared. No, no, you didn't get the 2000 basic Ravens defense. You got the old one defense. It's the same thing. Y'all wasn't missing too many pieces, now. Y'all wouldn't miss too many

Oh, what'd he do? What'd he do the second time cuz that was the home game. I think there What'd he do it cuz I think he had a touchdown he probably had a touchdown the The second time he played every time I play all in Moscow night. That's what I'm gonna do No, you didn't you had look 28 measly yards. You didn't have it the first now. That's what I'm gonna do. No, you didn't. You had 28 measly yards. You even have the first down. That's my rookie year. They were just introducing me to y'all. You know when you first meet somebody Joe?

Yeah, I know what you mean. They didn't wanna put me out. Oh Joe, the first time y'all played you had one target, no catches. Yeah, and that's it. Oh, you know what? Cause see, that's my rookie year. So they didn't really introduce me to y'all.

Oh, that was the second time that was in Cincinnati. We're having that game. What happened? What I did? What I did? Yeah. Yeah. I had 12 targets, eight catches, eight.

You had one target, no catches. You like to, he was out there bulljabbing. Hey, what year was that? 2001, the year you asked for. What year? What'd they got to do with that? Okay, what'd I did after that though? What'd I did after that? I don't know, I wasn't there.

I was in Denver. Now you want to see what we did in Denver? We played it all in 2002. What did we do? Yeah, what'd I do in Denver? Yeah, I know I know I... I know you lost. I didn I know I know you lost I didn't know I knew that I don't know what the numbers but you like what my numbers look like ass what I did the demo yeah I think you caught a touchdown right

I guess touchdowns but we beat y'all okay we talked about from an individual standpoint I can't control I can't control the team No regular season We played in 2003 yeah Yeah, what I did then what I did there cuz hey by the time 2003 came Joe like I had fully arrived Like I was like I knocked though. Okay. What was it? What'd he do? Cuz that was car I think that that was Carson your Carson we have What'd he do?

Cause that was Carson, if that was Carson, then you're Carson with the Raptors. Yeah, who got him, Queen. Hey, what year did you change your name though? To Ocho, what'd you do? I forgot, I think maybe 2007, I just wanted to- If he'd have played the Baltimore Ravens in 2000, we'd have made him change it back. Hey, Joe, listen, I changed my name simply

for marketing and branding purposes only, that's all. Ocho, you had 10 targets, six catches, 95 yards on a touchdown. That would be. All right. What, what, what, what, what happened? What'd this go ash? 30 to 10 was the score. Boy, stop. I was the only one that scored? Yes.

And it was late in the game when you scored. It don't matter how long I got in there. Sometimes, sometimes you gotta, when you go on a date, sometimes you know, you know, you get the first base. Sometimes you get the second. Hey Joe, I don't want to tell nobody, we had to call the dogs off he scored with a minute left in the ball. They were still throwing.

Yeah, you had no choice but to throw. I don't know what you had. You had a choice. You had four quarters and you had time to do something before the end. We beat the breaks on. Oh Joe, you still celebrated on that one? No, no, no, no. Listen, one thing I always did Joe,

is I never celebrated, never did a celebration if we were losing, only if we were to tie the game or we scored first or it was a go up. Yeah, I didn't play like that. Well, you ain't do no celebrating against other teams I was on. Oh Joe. Man, you lucky, listen, you lucky we didn't cross paths

like at the same time, you were you was on the back end and I was coming in. If I play during your era like during man, I would have sauce your ass up. What? Oh, Joe, I was like, oh, I'm good for having to get Cincinnati. You have to understand. You have to understand. We played what?

2000 dropped to what we do in 2000. You have to understand, you have to understand. We played what 2000 dropped to what we do in 2000 before you got there, Ocho, before you got there. We beat the break. You have to understand how bad Cincinnati was back then. You gotta understand that Joe, that's not fair. So we are defense deal suspect. I mean, y'all got some great office players with a Joe and Chase and Higgins, but

That defense Damn Kesto and oh my bad. Oh Joe we beat y'all 37-0 in 2000 I've going twice. I'm going twice, I already know that. I don't like that. As a matter of fact, I'm most, Darrell Williams. Hey D-Wil.

Hey D-Wil can hit, boy. Not me. He talked me in the end zone. He had to smell the odor though. I'll make a smell the odor joke. They gonna smell the odor because the referee gonna do that. I had about four catches, I had about four catches, about 50 yards, two tubs. Not as good as that in 2000.

No, you took me, that's the first game. I'm not in Cincinnati in 2000. No, you took me, I'm just the first game. I'm gonna tell you that first game, hit a boy like a two yarder. Yeah, I was bad. The game in Cincinnati. We were bad. The 37 nothing, that's when they knocked Akili Smith.

That's when Rob Burnett hit Akili Smith and knocked him out of the game. Y'all about had like 40 yards that game. The hell you say? I called two touchdowns that game in 2000. I did play. Yeah, it is, it is in 2000. Yeah.

Let me, let me, Lord have mercy. Yeah, let me let me see. I tried to shortchange be my numbers joke. She told me I play. That's what I'm gonna know. Uh, Ravens. Okay, Well, let's get them right man let them know. Yeah, and try to shortchange me. We beat them 27. Seven. seven. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Shannon Sharpe, Sam for 6666 in two touchdowns against who?

The Ravens. I play y'all in 2000. That was that was when, as a matter of fact, that's when Corey Dillon ramped, it's broke the record against the Broncos. He ran for 275, 276, cause the record was Walter Payton, 275, who broke OJ's record like 273. But don't worry about it, Ocho. Hey.

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Uh, this is the first time a member of the Jacksonville Jag has been on the cover of a Madden, I'll bet as a person being hurtled. Damn. Hey, the person getting hurtled. Hey, he got to be upset about that boy. He got to be upset about. Oh yeah, he immortalized. He made it like that's like that Jordan push off.

Oh Joe, wait, the Russell. Yeah, I want to push off. He just, he just guided him a little bit out of the way. Well, he only that's what he guided him. That's forever. It is. It is. I just left Steak Kwan.

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When? Not too long ago. A couple of years ago. Yeah. He didn't get hurt. Patrick Mahone was on the cover previously. He didn't get hurt. So I think Sequon is safe.

Uh, there have been players that have, that have had small injuries and nothing, um, too, where he missed a lot of time. So I think we, we got to do it with the whole mad and cursed thing. And Saquon is one that take care of his body, doesn't really get hurt much. He has in the past, but recently he hasn't been hurt. I think he's going to be all right. And I honestly think there's a good chance

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Man, Ocho, y'all was, good God, y'all was terrible. Ocho, y'all had 174 total yards that game. But what year was that? Oh, yeah, y'all had a hundred and seventy four total yards they gave Well, yeah, the baby was that 2000 that's what they want. Throw me the ball You wasn't even there. Oh, yeah, I wasn't there yet You better be glad you weren't there if I was it would the Dow come would have been different I can tell you that No, you know, you should be You used to be out there raising hell

when that ball don't come your way. I think I might have maybe two instances like that. One, it was a playoff game. We were playing the Steelers. When Carson went down, I was very frustrated. So you have to get your production from somewhere when a quarterback of that magnitude, the playbook changes significantly when the second quarterback comes in. So at that point, now I'm feeling put me in positions to make up for not having him in.

Right. And we weren't able to do that because we were playing the Steelers and the Steelers that year, that 05 year, that defense, that defense, Joe? Oh my God. So I just wanted to be I wanted him to stop allowing them to dictate what we want to do let's dictate right y'all will go do nothing so outside I was really frustrated Joe that that was one time and it was another time oh same game

joy I got mad in the same game we We're um. Was that the one you was acting a fool in? Yeah, that's what I just told you. Yeah, hey Joe, boy. See, now I could have said something. See, I knew about this, but I ain't putting it out there, Joe. So that time I was on CBS and the word came back to me. We got, you know what? I'm not one of those, I don't have any problems, you know,

like the ball not coming, I be chilling, Joe. Just that game, the magnitude of the game, and you allowing them to dictate to us what we wanna do. You thought y'all was going to the Super Bowl. You thought this. I promise you. Hey Joe, all I needed was the ball, Joe, just put him in the hand, Joe.

And listen, I wasn't one of those guys that catching 120 and 130 passes a season. 90, you give me three or four balls a game, I'm good. Cause two of them, oh, I'm finna get jiggy. I'm finna get jiggy. I don't need a whole bunch of catches. Oh, shit. Hello, Joe.

Since we stay on the Bengals, your quarterback, Joe Burrow, who has 4,918 passing yards, led the league, 43 touchdowns led the league, said the Bengals would have made the playoff last year if they had played better. If I had played even better, we wouldn't have been in the spot where we were in, that we were in. I just got to focus on getting better myself. And I feel like everyone in the locker room feels the same way. If I go out there and play better than I did last year then it doesn't matter what goes on anywhere else.

I like that. I'm glad he took that. That's my quarterback. Don't play well. It was just he had some costly turnovers at the most inopportune times and you know when you playing catch up Ocho or you got the lead because that Baltimore game the first first time that y'all played their whole show, y'all had a lead and he had some costly, he had a couple of costly turnovers. Yeah, I like, I love Joe. I like, you know what, as the leader, that's what you're supposed to do.

You gotta say that, you gotta say, and not very many will do that. Not very many will do that. You know what I don't like that Joe said? I don't like that he said he's tired of playing at the Ravens home field in prime time games. Because for me as a competitor, I love playing away. Ravens, Steelers, Browns.

Matter of fact, hell, I like playing away just in general, especially prime time. You mean I get to be in a chaotic environment and the whole world is watching? I like that. But for some reason, so I just, I don't like that he said that because it makes me feel as if he has an issue playing the Ravens in general. I mean, hey, let us get one of them. Let us get one of them on prime time. I mean, say you don't mind having the Bengals in prime time. Let them come to us in prime time.

I wouldn't care. I like, I like, I like being prime time and playing in Baltimore. So I'm finna send, I mean, I'm finna send you home with a loss and everybody got to see. I mean, I'm looking at it. I look at it differently. Colorado coach, coach Prime said he was hurt by reports that said his son should do it was unprepared during the pre-draft meetings with NFL teams. But he also isn't buying the validity of them either.

It did hurt, but the Bible says God uses the foolish things to confound the wise. There are some foolish stuff that went on, but that gave them something that they needed. Like that edge that Tom Brady had, it gave them that edge that you had. It gave them the edge that you have. Folks said we weren't gonna be nothing,

but we had to prove them after you had to prove that. It gave them that edge that needed both of them. When you stood up there and say something like, he went into the meetings unprepared, like dude, Shadour Sanders, who has had six different office of coordinators, who has still functioned at a level every time we brought somebody in new, and you're going to tell me he was unprepared? You're going to tell me he had on headphones? Anybody that knows my son to understand he's

professional. He's going to go into the meeting with the headphones on y'all. Come on now. It's I know a bull drive. I knew they were shucking and driving when they said it, when the report came out. Because when you go into a meeting like that, with execs, with the higher level, higher level folks at the organization, you go in there a certain way. You ain't going to have your headphones on. You're going to be prepared.

You know, your coach and your father has already prepared you for that moment anyway, so what are we talking about? You know what I bet they did, Ocho? He probably had the headphones right in his neck. And they told me he had them on. I bet you that's what he did. But you know they gonna change it up when it come out. You know the story gonna come out, pretend like he had them on.

You said, you know what, guys? On our draft board, we didn't have him rated that high, we moved on. But to try to diminish the man, to try to come up with every excuse, like he's unprofessional, like, oh, he had, you know, his braggadocious, what?

Man, look, cares. Yeah, I know they probably critiqued him a lot harder than they did. Of course they did. Yeah, absolutely. Of course. Of course. Hey. Yeah, absolutely. Of course. Of course. And all I know is somebody threw those 4,000 yards,

all I knew is somebody had those 34, 35, 30, how many touchdowns he threw for. Somebody did that. Somebody inherited a one and 11 or one and 10 team, and within two years, they had won nine games and they were in a bowl game All I know he was the quarterback. I Know Jackson State was better with it Than they were before he got there

Speed you was better with him than they were before he got there Now if he doesn't fit your program, oh Joe if somebody doesn't fit your program or doesn't fit you, it's okay. You don't have to say anything negative about said person, relationship or anything. If they're not for you, okay. Yeah. But you ain't gotta try to dog them out to try to prep yourself up.

You ain't gotta do that to that man. Honestly, when it comes to the quarterback position, especially that team specifically, when it comes to picking quarterbacks, I mean team specifically, when it comes to picking quarterbacks, I mean, they been missing for a very long time anyway. They ain't picked nobody since Eli. So whoever said that, and the Browns, y'all ain't did much better.

Let's be real, y'all hadn't, y'all really hadn't had a quarterback since, since Testaverde, since Kozar in the supplemental draft in 84. Hey, look, I think this is going to be good for him though. Like I said, just a little stuff that I've seen, Uncle Ocho, it seemed like, uh, you know, he got his head down and he working, man. He got it. That's all you can do.

I know that's it. But then I think that's a good thing for him. I know, I'm pretty sure he hears the whispers but he keep it hit he keep his head down and keep working man good things gonna happen for him cuz The talent is the talent is there is it was it's oozing out of him. So Man, just keep going bro Anybody that's going through adversity understands this Oh Joe, I was seven rounds around pig They said I was gonna go somewhere between round one and three

And I looked at all them guys that went before me and a lot of guys that I had played with in the bowl game. I went to the East West Ryan game. I was one of the few division two guys that went to a bowl. I went to the blue gray game. Back then they used to have a blue gray game, Ocho, that played on Christmas Day. I was the only division two guy, if I'm not mistaken,

black college guy in that one. Um, it was in Montgomery, Alabama, cold. Then I go to the East West shrine game. I really wanted to play the East West shrine game because my brother played in that game and not a whole lot of brothers, uh, combination played in, in, in bowl game. And so, and to see them guys, I'm like, man, you went to this place, you went to this place you went to that place bro you'd have been the second the second or third receiver at Savannah State I've been I don't know I'm being real and I'm like I'm just remember thinking like I remember calling my brother saying I'm better than all these dudes

here I said I'm better than all them I said hell if I didn't want to be played tight end I could play tight end I'm better than all them. I said hell if I didn't want them to play tight end, I could play tight end and I'm better than all these dudes right here. Draft come along, I go to him, you know, you go combine, you know, you run the line, and you know, you catching and all that stuff. Hey, we ain't got no technique, coach. I'm just out there just wrong talent.

Knowing if somebody give me an opportunity, like somebody like, okay, teach me how to run routes. Okay, this foot up, this foot back. Okay, you know, 10 roll to to 12 drop, you know, okay This is Frank man all them dudes I saw go back look at the wide receivers in my draft look at the tightness in my draft So I was old and every time I played against him What? Oh Yeah. Oh, yeah every time I played against them, what? Oh yeah.

Oh yeah, for sure. For sure. They needed to know. Oh, y'all got a little extra dollars, but y'all ain't gonna make money as long as me. Right. Y'all about to be up out of here. So hopefully Shadour, like I said,

there's immense pressure because of his last name is Dad. I had, look, I came in two years after my brother. My brother was the first team, when I got drafted, my brother was first team all pro that year. He led the league in catches and yards, no, catches and touchdowns. No, yard, he led the league in catches and yards.

So, man, that's, man why why he go to Savannah State man why he ain't no hydra I pick don't worry about that you about to see me go so but I just don't don't don't I got to lie on the man if y'all don't if you don't want something no Joe let's just say okay you go to a restaurant. Okay. You ain't got to, if you didn't like, if you don't like what they have, you ain't got to say the restaurant bad without trying it. Just say what they didn't have anything on the menu that I liked. Cool, man, it was, man, it was dirty service

with this and man, the waitress, she gave me your attitude. I asked for some water, this, and she kissing my teeth. Come on, you ain't gotta do all that. Man, they really have anything on the menu that I like, so, but hey, okay, cool, move it along. But to try to do this to the man, come on now. Another one thing, this was a blessing in disguise Angel you and I both say it it ain't what it ain't how high you go

It's where you go when you get and what you do when you get there. Hello That's it But look he got look his dad is prepared him for this He's guess what he's been Deon' son as long as it hadn't been. He hadn't been anything but that. So the criticism has always been that. Always, which is why he's gonna be all right. He's been dealing with adversity and obstacles

for a long time. Very long time. Yeah. So this is nothing new. I just hate Ocho when people do stuff like that, Joe. You know what I'm saying? Like I said, if you don't think he fits your culture, cool, I got no problem with that. I ain't saying draft anybody that you don't think

can be beneficial, but you don't have to come up with these excuses. Just say, hey, we didn't have him rated that high. We thought he was a day two selection. Cool. Ain't got no problem with that, O.K. Got no problem whatsoever. But it's the, oh, the arrogance and, you know,

the brashness and the jewelry. Guys have NIL deals. Guys making three, four, five million dollars now. Ain't nobody broke like we was when we came out of school. It's a lot different. Yeah. Yeah. But they don't, they don't criticize and scrutinize to the, to the highest man.

Yeah. I mean, what, what are you, what are you making? Four, five million dollars in NIL money. So yeah, you go, he gonna have a colored and he gonna have a Lambo or whatever else he had out there. Hell, I went to school. I said he had a pickup truck. You had a pickup truck? I had a pickup, a custom deluxe.

Hey, I had a Acura Integra, a little hatchback. Yeah, see? Hey, that thing get on the roadway, had no problem with what I got on there freeway. It was stick shift, onk. Hey. Hey, you like manual? Man, listen, so going to my sophomore year,

my auntie was like, you can come get my car cause she worked at a car rental place. So she drove a different car every day. So I'm like, hey, I get over there to get the car, I got some stick shift. I'm like, man, I can't drive no stick. You learned quick though, did you? I called my uncle, my uncle Tracy.

He came over there and we drove around Twin Lakes. It's a neighborhood. We drove around the neighborhood for like 30 minutes, Uncle Ocho, then I got on the freeway, shot out to Fayetteville, two and a half hours. What? Didn't know nothing about no stick shit, boy. Cause see, when you get on the highway,

then you cool. It's when you get in that traffic. When I got off the freeway, and had to go up to the hill that you cool is when you get in that traffic Traffic when you got a doubt you got you got a dial show It took me about a whole thing about a good two weeks before I can figure out how to get around up It did you got understand what a clutch at the break is hey, what you get the hang of it It's a yeah, it's nothing once you get the hang of it, but boy to start off, it's tough. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. You like,

you like, you like, you like, you like, you like, and then cut off on your traffic too. Ooh, they blow, hey Joe, they blow it. All right, all right, damn.

Yeah, yeah, I had a whole lot of that. Hey, see I grew up on a farm, and so you don't drive a tractor, but the gears are slower. So you ain't nobody behind you in the field. So you go to that road, hey. So I kinda knew, my brother had that M3. I'll never forget, M1988, he got an M3.

Was it 88? 87, it was 87, cause we were still at the old house. Man, he dropped it off said man hey i'm gonna let you i'll let you drive it for a little while you let me know when you want me to come back and get it i ain't even joe i ain't even telling him i ain't know how to drive no hey i learned how to drive on the f3 man i got out there hey my sister say teach me i said I'm trying to learn myself Bad a after about probably like you say after couple hours. Yeah

One listen after you learn how to shift them gears, it's a wrap. It's a wrap. When NASCAR, the way you be coming through that thing. Oh man. And then I was in college, he dropped the Porsches off. He's like, hey man, you know, hey, floss around. Ooh.

You only gotta tell me that. You right here, I'm driving convertible Porsches, 930s, 911 slant nose. Good enough. Huh? Uh. Ha ha ha. The Volume.

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